🔌│tech

[fair gull]

thats where all the fucking THC pins poke out

[shadow minnow]

I don’t think it’s an outer layer either tbh

But probably depends on mobo

[vagrant pagoda]

You have power and ground solid traces on the outside to help shield signal on the inside

[shadow minnow]

Yes but I don’t think you’d have this power there

[fair gull]

tbf ive never looked close at the backside for traces and stuff

[shadow minnow]

You may have 3V on bottom

[astral haven]

It's usually control, ground, core, ground data, ground then as many layers alternating data and ground or just data as you need

[fair gull]

that sounds more reasonable

[vagrant pagoda]

Why not lol

[astral haven]

But there are plenty of motherboards that are perfectly happy at 500 amps through the vrm

[fair gull]

potentially any piece of lint could fry the thing by shortening whatever vcore to ground

[astral haven]

No

[shadow minnow]

Sounds likelier

[vagrant pagoda]

Wut

[astral haven]

It's still under the soldermask

[fair gull]

im aware of soldermask

but it has to go to caps etc on the backside aswell

since ive never taken those off id assume they use vias

[astral haven]

And the ultra high speed data can often be on outer layers to deal with capacitance magic

[fair gull]

to go to some power plane

[vagrant pagoda]

There are mosfets on the back too

Switching 12v

[fair gull]

see my message before yours

[vagrant pagoda]

Which is worst than vcore for a short

[astral haven]

That is extremely rare

[vagrant pagoda]

Also the pins for more of the power connectors are though holes

[vagrant pagoda]

For secondary stuff, not so much

Not talking vcore

[astral haven]

No
It is extremely rare

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean half the x670e boards I've seen have mosfets on the back

[shadow minnow]

Also having vcore on the bottom would cause some issues when you hav SMD VRMs on top.
Since you would make a lot of area unusable for other traces, to prevent high resistance

[astral haven]

Doesn't make it any less rare

[astral haven]

Nah

Generally there are multiple vcore planes

[fair gull]

maybe i should see if theres any opensource mobos

[vagrant pagoda]

You'd be hard pressed to find many high-end boards wjtbouth any 12v switching in the back.

[fair gull]

define high end

[astral haven]

Literally every server board ever tbh

[fair gull]

is server board high end

or is it just a different target market

[astral haven]

They are high end

[fair gull]

imo id put enterprise grade equipment in its own section

seeing how a lot of server boards didnt have UEFI for a long long time either

[astral haven]

That's not true

[fair gull]

literally have a hp g8 and g9

both of which i cant run uefi on

[astral haven]

Just because hp limits you from using the uefi doesn't mean the board doesn't support it

[fair gull]

ah for all those server owners who write custom firmware

server and workstation just isnt made for the same reasons gaming motherboards are

theres a focus on high reliability and usually also ease of repairibility to some degree

[astral haven]

Yes
And back then uefi was a downgrade that provided no benefit

[fair gull]

id say it still doesnt really

[vagrant pagoda]

Not having UEFI boot mode dosent mean it dosent have UEFI

[astral haven]

Nah
Booting from big drives is useful
And inumerating hundreds of devices basically was impossible on bios

[fair gull]

well in the specific case of hp they stated its legacy bios

[astral haven]

My Dell runs it's legacy bios on top of a uefi shell

[fair gull]

i wish id even get a uefi shell

but as mentioned i have noticed no difference in anything really

i can network boot fine

disks get recognized fine

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah I doubt there just normal bios under there

Especially for boardwell

[fair gull]

the only shitty thing would be the IPMI/iLo which sucks on the really really old g7 i had

[astral haven]

And generally is an entirely separate unit from the bios

[fair gull]

wont take the rom apart. nothing hints at uefi and according to a support answer theres no plans to include anything uefi in their g8 or g9 servers. answer is from 2yrs ago by now

[vagrant pagoda]

Hp would be basically writing and supporting the bios entirely for the selves

[astral haven]

Or they wrote it already and now they aren't supporting it any more lel

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah

But generally you start with Intel/amds reference bios

[fair gull]

i mean every now and again theres small updates trickling in for fan adjustments and shit

[vagrant pagoda]

And make your own

[fair gull]

id wish for a g10

better ilo and full uefi support including uefi boot

[vagrant pagoda]

And I don't think Intel still has making legacy only bios then

It would of been uefi

[astral haven]

No, generally ami or Phoenix start with the reference lmao

They do the basic writing

[fair gull]

im no bios hacker

all i can do is manually flash it

and that one time i repaired a laptop bios in hxd

[vagrant pagoda]

Same thing, I doubt there is a nonuefi bios for boardwell

[astral haven]

There definetly was on the low end

If you meant broadwell that is

[fair gull]

maybe one day

ill have a g10

i can dream

[vagrant pagoda]

Did low end board support boardwell?

There wernt any low-end broadwell chips

[fair gull]

also why are we debating over servers that are 8+ yrs old

[astral haven]

These are nooooooooooooot high end chips lmao

[vagrant pagoda]

Huh

[fair gull]

like ive seen big g9 servers have uefi

[vagrant pagoda]

I thought the didn't have any quads

[fair gull]

my small 1u one doesnt

so anyone got like 3 grand to kit out a g10

[reef patrol]

Recommendations for an "inexpensive" pair of wireless headphones for jogging?
Comfortable (I wouldn't mind over ear instead of on ear)
USB-C charging
Android compatible (lol)
I don't mind crazy neon colours.
ANC is not a must - I tend to never use it except when there's a ton of wind.

[vagrant pagoda]

You don't want wireless buds?

[shadow minnow]

AirPods Pro gen 2

[vagrant pagoda]

I used to have the around the ear style

[reef patrol]

• Easy to lose
• I don't like sticking shit in my ears, only on the earlobe like earbuds USED to do
• Terrible battery life

[vagrant pagoda]

But moved to wireless buds with comply tips

Terrible battery life?

[reef patrol]

My first candidate were the Sennheiser HD 350BT

[vagrant pagoda]

Mine get 6+ hours

[shadow minnow]

6 hours isn’t that bad battery life imo

[vagrant pagoda]

That's a hella jog

[reef patrol]

I'm a 30 hours kind of guy.

Cause I forget to charge every day 😄

[shadow minnow]

Also hard to lose with ultrawideband chip

[shadow minnow]

That’s how much the case can provide

[vagrant pagoda]

You put the buds in the case

[shadow minnow]

^

[vagrant pagoda]

Which has a week+ of charge

[reef patrol]

Another part to lose 😄

[shadow minnow]

Hard to lose when it has speakers

And ultrawideband chip

[reef patrol]

But again - No in ear stuff for me thanks 😄

[vagrant pagoda]

And a tracker lol

I could never go back to over the ear for jogging

[shadow minnow]

You even get free engraving and shipping

[reef patrol]

Old man coming through. They rest on my earlobe, not drilled into my skull with rubber pads acting like earwax scoops 😄

[vagrant pagoda]

Even when I had just wireless headphones they were inear

The inear makes them actually sound good

And block outside noise

[reef patrol]

I would genuinely just use my included earbuds from my OnePlus, except they're USB wired.

[vagrant pagoda]

Get a transceiver and clip it to your shirt

[reef patrol]

😔

[vagrant pagoda]

Lol

I just have Bluetooth cable for my kz iems

With molded tips

They would stay in if I got hit by a car lol

[cursive summit]

This just looks painful

I don't want to have an anal bead in my ear

[reef patrol]

Howso? You just rest them on your earlobes. Like we all used to.

[cursive summit]

I like the gummy gummy ear penetrators

They are comfortable

That just looks uncomfortable

[reef patrol]

I don't - I really, really don't. It causes a pressure difference to me like going through a tunnel or flying. And then there's all the ear wax. I just want them resting ON my ears instead of drilling inside.

Or actually I don't want either - I was asking about over ear 😄

[cursive summit]

True

Over ear are nice

In-ears are. eh

[shadow minnow]

Many of them have pressure things to balance pressure too

[cursive summit]

https://twitter.com/CapFrameX/status/1574832486038867996

CapFrameX (@CapFrameX)

XeSS performance scaling all modes. RX 6800 XT stock. Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Ultra Settings, RT Ultra, 3840x1600

#XeSS

Likes

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Twitter · Sep 27, 2022, 6:44 PM

XeSS runs on AMD hardware?

[ashen spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[cursive summit]

Huh

So they are doing the FSR thing

[ashen spindle]

no

[cursive summit]

No?

[cursive summit]

Ahh

So kind of like FSR

Works on all platforms

Open source, assumedly

[ashen spindle]

no

the sdk is open, the xess code isn't

[wheat plume]

https://youtube.com/shorts/mPRwTBLwZxc

Google Watch got thicc bezels...

[vocal cipher]

doesn't look bad

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/DmtSLqhLcV4

This software is the best I have seen so far!

[cursive summit]

We are nearly the same age

Probably

Well

I did own some of those plastic showerhead buds

But it's not a fond memory

Uncomfortable beyond belief

[pale sigil]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-28/apple-iphone-14-sales-not-strong-enough-to-trigger-production-boost

[ashen spindle]

old news

[wheat plume]

Dynamic Island already has an Android app

[reef patrol]

Buying a gaming chair is surprisingly difficult.

Went online to check out my local electronics stores - Found a chair for a good price. Ordered it. Accidentally used my old address and had to phone them to correct it.

Sure - We can change the address... also did we mention we only do curbside delivery? Also we can't upgrade it to "carry in and install" cause it's too small. Also we can't have it ready at your local BRAND HERE store (which is like 15mins away on foot), but we can mail it to the MEGASTORE right next door instead.

[wheat plume]

🤢

That bezel is larger than our 14 year old plasma TV

[ashen spindle]

imagine telling someone 14 years ago that people will care about borders on a watch

[wheat plume]

Yeah...but this is too large

[final flame]

bezels imo matter more when you're already on a small device

[wheat plume]

^

idc too much on phones

id rather have a larger bezel than a notch

this case is sus

[stark bobcat]

I still just wear automatic watches

I don't really know what I'd need a smartwatch for

[wheat plume]

yeh, same here

I want a watch with a nice watchface

I found one for the Huawei watch I had that was really pretty

[stark bobcat]

I find my grandpas glashütte watch to have a nice watchface xD

[vocal cipher]

smart watch is nice in cold places, no need to get your phone out, especially while biking...

[wheat plume]

person using KDE Neon for first time: I HATE THIS, THE WALLPAPER IS SHIT, NEXT OS PLEASE

🤦‍♀️

wallpaper is changeable

take a look at the actual OS maybe?!?

this is the wallpaper, I like it!

[crimson wigeon]

Defaults are important

[wheat plume]

yeah, but most people dont toss away even trying the OS based on the wallpaper alone

cause everyone knows it can be changed

[stark bobcat]

me when I don't change windows default background anymore

[wheat plume]

I do cause I hate it xd

[stark bobcat]

at this point it's just pointless for me since it doesn't matter and I rarely have to look at it for more than 10 seconds

[thick elk]

Same

The image shown above is also still my background until the next Plasma release

[wheat plume]

I really want Plasma 2.52 on Deck ;-;

plz Valve

or whatever version has the window tinting and floating panels

[stark bobcat]

y u have so much shit running don't get me wrong I am not better with my millions of chrome tabs but man

[wheat plume]

not my screenshot

[stark bobcat]

ah ic

makes sense that audacity and obs are running then

[wheat plume]

yeye

I tend to have a lot more when working

at least 3 when not

discord, steam, yt music sometimes

[stark bobcat]

I mean it depends what u re doing

if I m playing games I prefer to have as little as possible open

[wheat plume]

I would like to make more use of the virtual desktops on Windows

but they are SO BAD TO USE .-.

I use them all the time on Gnome desktop in Linux cause they are so handy and useful and nice to use

[stark bobcat]

after my recent gpu switch I can't even have a video on my 2nd monitor running anymore cuz I get the weird stutter now

[wheat plume]

I sometimes have like 5 desktops running when doing work on gnome desktop

[wheat plume]

o?

what GPU and OS and desktop etc?

[stark bobcat]

6700xt windows 10

[wheat plume]

oh

[stark bobcat]

it s a known thing and kinda minor but really noticable in comp games

[ashen spindle]

ngl wondering if I should get a cheap intel card when I upgrade as second gpu and run youtube/twitch over that so I dont get fps drops when wathing something on my second screen

though at that rate might be cheaper to just get a second monitor that isnt 60hz probably

[stark bobcat]

my 2nd is 144hz but it still happens cuz main is 240 lol

[ashen spindle]

lets see whats the cheapers 175hz screen

around like 170hmm yeah probably a better solution that getting a yank 2nd gpu lol

[ashen spindle]

b650 board supposed to be in second week of october, with showcase of boards next week btw

guess the launch just had to be before intels event so they got the expensive things out first? dont really see why they would otherwise launch so shortly before release of b series boards

[shadow minnow]

3 hours and 20 minutes into music and noise cancelation my AirPods are at 42%

[astral haven]

if thats true, thats pretty nice
dead on vat

[shadow minnow]

Not really

[cursive summit]

Dead on VAT

[shadow minnow]

Compared to how it usually is especially

[astral haven]

?

[shadow minnow]

Which is bad after the change of €/$
Also all non base models are horrible

[cursive summit]

Huh

Did you just agree with me while I said the same thing that carmonben said which you disagreed with

[astral haven]

no?

[astral haven]

i agree with people who are right 😛

[cursive summit]

I wasn't talking to you

Bexin

[shadow minnow]

Anyways that would mean probably over 1600€ for a 4080 which is bad

If you ask me

[cursive summit]

What

Are you talking about

[shadow minnow]

4080 pricing including VAT

[cursive summit]

1600?

Shouldn't be that much

[shadow minnow]

If you don’t want the lowest end model at least

[astral haven]

1200 + vat > is less than 1500 normally

[shadow minnow]

Yes

[shadow minnow]

But that’s for the lowest end models

[cursive summit]

Lowest end models aren't the worst models

[shadow minnow]

And I also have to get a waterblock

[astral haven]

the founders models are fine

[cursive summit]

There won't be an FE model for 4080

[astral haven]

so you really want to be going for a reference pcb

[shadow minnow]

That is true but doubt they will have two HDMI 2.1s

Didn’t have last gen

If they don’t I definitely won’t get them

[cursive summit]

The 12GB 4080 is confirmed to not have an Nvidia model

[astral haven]

so you have dumb requirements
thats not the same as the models being bad

[cursive summit]

16GB 4080 I don't remember having an FE model either

[shadow minnow]

Yes is not bad

I said true to them being fine

However I have two monitors that need HDMI 2.1 to run without compression

And I won’t be getting 4090

[astral haven]

have you considered
getting an adapter?

[shadow minnow]

Won’t run without compression

[cursive summit]

Adapt what?

DP 1.4 to HDMI 2.1?

[shadow minnow]

4K144 10BPC

[astral haven]

[citation needed]

[shadow minnow]

DP1.4 would need compression for that

[astral haven]

no it wont

[shadow minnow]

DP1.4 can handle max 4K98hz 10bpc

[shadow minnow]

[source needed]

[astral haven]

anything hdmi 2.1 can do, dp 1.4 can

[shadow minnow]

Not without compression

[astral haven]

dp 1.4 is significantly more bandwidth

[shadow minnow]

?? HDMI 2.1 has higher bandwidth

[shadow minnow]

Pls state source

[cursive summit]

DisplayPort 1.4 a maximum total bandwidth of 32.4Gbps
HDMI 2.1 significantly increases HDMI's maximum bandwidth up to 48 gigabits/second (Gbps)

[shadow minnow]

It is significantly higher than HDMI 2.0 yes

But lower than 2.1

[ashen spindle]

keep in mind the hdmi 2.1 brand changed what it does

[cursive summit]

What are we talking about lads

[shadow minnow]

^

[astral haven]

oh yea my mistake i was thinking of dp 2.0

[shadow minnow]

Unfortunately new GPUs don’t have DP 2.0 yet 😦

Wish they did

[cursive summit]

DP 2.0 is not featured in RTX 4000

[shadow minnow]

Wouldn’t matter then

[astral haven]

intel lel

[cursive summit]

AMD will have them though, so

Go team red!

[shadow minnow]

Probably won’t but I’ll see

[ashen spindle]

how about you just use DSC

[cursive summit]

That was, iirc, confirmed

It will

[astral haven]

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/229151/intel-arc-a770-graphics-16gb.html

2.0 at uhbr10 confirmed

[shadow minnow]

Last gen at least nvidia got higher numbers in 4K and well I know some apps I use may have issues with amd compatibility or at least running worse on it

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-7000-series-could-support-displayport-2-0-uhbr20-80-gbps-standard

[shadow minnow]

Oh, UHBR10

That’s not much

[cursive summit]

80 gbps

Wtf do you even do with 80 gbps

8K120Hz?

[shadow minnow]

8K60

10BPC

UHBR 10 is like HDMI 2.1 40gbps equivalent I think

So 4K120 10BPC

Not much better than 1.4 really

[ashen spindle]

please enlighten me what color accurate thing you do on your secondary monitor that display stream compression is not good enough for that

[shadow minnow]

DSC can make text look bad

Can

Doesn’t always

[astral haven]

no it cant

[shadow minnow]

It’s not loseless

[astral haven]

dsc is lossless

[shadow minnow]

Anyways rather no compression than compression

[ashen spindle]

bro what text are you looking at that looks bad at 8 over 10bit

[shadow minnow]

Nope, it’s “visually” which is a marketing term

[astral haven]

no

[shadow minnow]

Yes

[astral haven]

its actually lossless

[shadow minnow]

Look it up

[ashen spindle]

and that also needs your secondary screen to run at 144 to read the text?

[astral haven]

we have had this argument before

it is lossless

mathematically

[shadow minnow]

It is not lossless

[astral haven]

[citation needed]

[shadow minnow]

It doesn’t carry over all data

[astral haven]

[citation needed]

vesa's paper explains how it works

[ashen spindle]

I dont care about the compression that is actuall visually the same based on what my eyes can tell, what are you doing that a secondary screen needs to run at 4k144 10bit to read text

[shadow minnow]

Unlikely visible

[astral haven]

its a similar principle to png compression, but aloooot faster and less compressive

[shadow minnow]

Not invisible

[ashen spindle]

please answer me this @shadow minnow

[astral haven]

and your source that dsc introduces distortions?

[shadow minnow]

I won’t be switching modes between reading text, and watching movies

[astral haven]

png specifically doesnt

[ashen spindle]

you are going to watch 144hz10bit 4k movies on your secondary screen?

[shadow minnow]

My source says DSC is visually lossless as advertised everywhere
PNG is advertised as actually lossless

[ashen spindle]

?

[shadow minnow]

Probably not but I’ll just rather take no compression over compression if given choice

I’ll still probably be running screen at 14410bpc 4K

[ashen spindle]

to be clear its all about the secondary screen yes

[shadow minnow]

But yes i would basically not notice it most likely tbf

It’s just when I have a choice I rather don’t want compression

But yes It doesn’t matter much

[ashen spindle]

since the one hdmi port is 2.1

[shadow minnow]

If I didn’t have a choice wouldn’t really care

Anyways I really gtg

[ashen spindle]

you are basically giving yourself a placebo when you think you'll see a difference

[astral haven]

except not even that
they are predicting they will have the placebo effect from something they have never used

[ashen spindle]

(on the secondary screen aswell) since the first one will run at full speed

[astral haven]

that too

[ashen spindle]

man is running a 11900k on igpu and doesnt want to get a 4080 FE because the secondary screen would use DSC

[astral haven]

🤣

[cursive summit]

What 4080FE

12GB isn't getting one

[astral haven]

reference not fe

[cursive summit]

16GB is not confirmed either

[ashen spindle]

yes it is

based on nvidias website

[astral haven]

nvidia had a pic for the 1060 fe

and it didnt come to market

[cursive summit]

1060 FE?

[ashen spindle]

not based on a picture, they have specs listed for it unlike the 12gb where it only says depends on AiB

[astral haven]

at least the 1050ti
didnt think there was a 1060 fe either

at least at retail

[ashen spindle]

also we just had evga drop out and we know nvidia would like to be the only vendor without having to do any support, they're sharing the same PCB for 90 and 16gb

[astral haven]

https://tpucdn.com/gpu-specs/images/c/2875-front.jpg

1050 not 1050ti

[ashen spindle]

4090/16/12 on the 40 series specsheet

[astral haven]

yea
the 1050 fe was never more than a render
no specs like that

[ashen spindle]

now I do wonder if there is some video where one half is normal and the other side is altered to simulate DSC to show the (lack of) difference in visuals

[astral haven]

how would you send the video tho

youd have to distribute it somehow

[ashen spindle]

well you'd run the DSC algo over every frame, save it, then play it on a non DSC using monitor

[astral haven]

how would you store the video tho

i suppose you could take still frames

[ashen spindle]

idk surely something in ffmpeg exists that you could put it on git as something to view, maybe not play with VLC by default but just comparing images would be fine

[astral haven]

ffmpeg by definition is compression

it supports lossless h265 but thats the same as dsc basically

[crimson wigeon]

just save png frames

[astral haven]

sure

but what video player supports playing png video lmao

[crimson wigeon]

Fine, good old huffyuv then

[astral haven]

that is compression tho

at least by this definition

[ashen spindle]

convert image to flac and listen to the colors

[astral haven]

screech

[cursive summit]

How tf is my disk on 50% usage

[astral haven]

iops

[reef patrol]

You're...playing a game with constant caching in an open world. I wonder why 😄

[ashen spindle]

task manager usage is not perfectly accurate

[astral haven]

^ that too

[cursive summit]

I also like how the "processes" data does not add up with what the performance tab is reporting

[astral haven]

lot of rounding

[ashen spindle]

rounding, it probably shows caching to some degree too which the apps wouldnt see

also no clue if it correctly assigns bandwith used by speculative branches

[stark bobcat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pV93XhiC1Y

[astral haven]

its pretty hype to know that they arent using game engine motion vectors

[stark bobcat]

I don't think I'd use this but I am not the target audience

[astral haven]

yea this is basically just for folks with 240hz 4k or 1440p and modern games that cant hit that due to cpu bottlenecks

[ashen spindle]

its nvidia foundry so I personally will wait for a review and not a first look of the tech

[thick elk]

Especially when Nvidia Cherry-picks the games / settings / resolutions and probably has to approve prior to publication.

[ashen spindle]

someone posted that a week ago, wish it didnt come true lmfao

[astral haven]

isnt that a picture from dlss 1 tho? (not fsr)

[thick elk]

I looked at the original nvidia demo and when viewing it at full ress the ghosting around objects occluding / disoccluding is really noticable / distracting

[stark bobcat]

it s a meme

[thick elk]

It only smooths out visuals which kind of is less important at higher frame-rates / increases imput lag at lower frame-rates.
So there is that.

[astral haven]

yep

[ashen spindle]

idk where either are from, I'd like to see all upscaling be looked at very closely, not analyze it and suddenly with dlss3 first look they just ignore when it happens xD

[astral haven]

?

df was the first to report on the quality of checkerboard rendering

back in the ps4 days lel

[thick elk]

Digital foundry makes some good content sure but they can be real shills as well.

[ashen spindle]

I know im saying dlss gets looked at more favourably than anything else from them

[thick elk]

For example total war warhammer III's performance at launch was disgusting.
Of course they didn't cover it because they had a sponsored video about the game instead.

[ashen spindle]

and other solutions would get more criticism form them

[thick elk]

In practice the differences between dlss 2 and fsr2 are definitely there but they are also somewhat minor.

[astral haven]

and they were very reserved about dlss 1
you gotta remember, that by the numbers, dlss 1 was more accurate than dlss 2
it just looked bad because it erred on the side of blurry not sharp

[thick elk]

dlss 1 was garbage in general, I don't think anyone had anything positive to say about it.

[astral haven]

dlss 1 had absolutely insanely high pssim scores tho

mathematically it was more accurate
visually it was obviously bad, but as an image decompression alg its insane

I still cant wait for true rt engines

[thick elk]

True RT engines will probably only come halfway through the next console generation.

[astral haven]

nah

i mean like blender style progressive rendering

except with continuous progressive rendering

[thick elk]

I thought game engines, fair enough

[astral haven]

yea i mean in a game engine

obviously its already in blender

[thick elk]

Thing is with current console hardware being quite limited in it's rt capabilities and games having to work on the lowest common denominator I don't think it will happen anytime soon.

[astral haven]

thats very not correct

all of the hardware is quite capable of 1spp at 4k120 in even relatively complex environments

The problem is all the everything is extremely optimized for raster rendering

[ashen spindle]

the issue I had with the DF video was when they said that the artefacts and flaws in the generated imaged are no big deal really since they are so short and are sandwiched by real frames, which isn't totally wrong but it happening every other frame potentially will still be noticed and if this was FSR they would've hammered on it instead of saying it almost doesnt matter

then allowing to show framerate % change to show 500% number instead of actual fps I also just dont like for what is represented as an explanation

aka I would've liked stuff they would've never gotten the ok from nvidia for so they wont bite the hand that feeds them as the only media that gets such early access xD

[thick elk]

They also probably won't shift their tone on release when they are allowed to show everything

[crimson wigeon]

But DLSS good! A must-have feature!

[stark bobcat]

for some

[cursive summit]

I heard that DLSS 3 hammers latency

I wonder by how much

[astral haven]

the difference is this is brand new tech
frame amplification hasnt been done realtime before
(mpv is technically offline but is able to play back files with only a few seconds of buffer)

[ashen spindle]

it is cool tech and will be amazing and FSR3 will take a while to get there for sure, doesnt change you can easily notice bias from DF xD

[astral haven]

best possible case is it has 1 frame of latency using the base framerate to calculate the frame count

[astral haven]

you are speculating about bias they may have in the future

[ashen spindle]

no so far any fsr/dlss look from them has been quite favorable in one way and not received equal treatment imo

I know fsr2.0 wasnt as great as dlss2.0 and didnt expect them to say its equal

but relative to what it was I hoped for equal treatment

[astral haven]

🤷 fsr2 got as panned as dlss 1 did

and dlss 1 was as much worse from checkerboard as fsr2 is from dlss 2

like the 1080 was an absolute banger, and if it hadnt released, the fury x and nano would have been alooooooooooooot more impressive

wait no off by 1

980 not 1080

the 1080 was the vega killer
980ti made the furies irrelevant

[ashen spindle]

well I do look forward to having playable framerates in cp77 finally

[astral haven]

well
playable fps with maxed settings

[ashen spindle]

well I dont want to play low settings on my high end screen lmao

[astral haven]

same

I still won't be hitting even half refresh on my monitor according to Nvidia tho...

[cursive summit]

https://twitter.com/JirayD/status/1575071274543435776

The good Hunter (@JirayD)

For GPUs without DP4 support, XeSS uses an Int24 fallback path. While this is the fastest widely supported Int format on semi-modern GPUs, it is running far too slow for practical usage.
On a 5700XT (probably the most powerful GPU without DP4) I am getting memeworthy framerates.

Twitter · Sep 28, 2022, 10:33 AM

[chrome estuary]

Tldr: dp4?

Or maybe eli5

[cursive summit]

DisplayPort 4

[chrome estuary]

Thank you.

I assumed but something something ass out of you and me.

[ashen spindle]

dont trust vex on knowing stuff

[cursive summit]

OI

It's a joke

Although who knows maybe DP4 is a thing somewhere in the labs

[chrome estuary]

Yeah I'm tired and immediately believed it before remembering were on like 1.4

[ashen spindle]

its a gpu simd instruction

[stark bobcat]

nah displayport 2 is a thing

[ashen spindle]

so means newer gpus can do the code more better

[chrome estuary]

Thanks quin

[cursive summit]

1.4b is the one that's mostly available, probs

2.0 is apparently on the new Intel cards but nowhere else

[stark bobcat]

isn't it in the new amd cpus?

or did I get that wrong

[chrome estuary]

You mean gpus?

[stark bobcat]

no

[cursive summit]

I think they do actually support 2.0

The built-in iGPU

[ashen spindle]

yeah

[cursive summit]

iGPU does 2.0 when RTX 4000 can't

What a meme

[chrome estuary]

I never think about amd having an igpu

[cursive summit]

They now do outside of their APUs

Built into every single consumer CPU this generation

[chrome estuary]

Wait what?

Neat

[cursive summit]

Ryzen 7000, they have 2 core iGPUs

[ashen spindle]

its for usbc tunnelling and reuse stuff, obviously not going to max out bandwidth on the igpu lmfao

[cursive summit]

Does Mendocino count as a "next gen" product?

[stark bobcat]

it s very nice to have for troubleshooting and stuff

[pale sigil]

And would be nice for me personally to run Linux on

https://tenor.com/view/linus-torvalds-linus-nvidia-fuck-you-gif-19475186

[ashen spindle]

enjoy your 15 fps linux gaming with ti

[pale sigil]

I would game with it

True but I'm still stuck with Nvidia output

[cursive summit]

It can do gaming, though

[slow garnet]

While we're talking about Linux: also enjoy your shitty video decoding!
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/[e-mail]/thread/M4LTGLHY5JX42IHC45WNWB5FH2JIFMAS/
(tl;dr, video decoding on mesa on fedora is now disabled).

[cursive summit]

Mostly your pixel indies

[crimson wigeon]

Fedora pepelaugh

[cursive summit]

Cap

[slow garnet]

tl;dr your cpu go 100% your gpu does nothing

[cursive summit]

Piece of clothing

[slow garnet]

aka waste power and have a shitty video playback

[cursive summit]

Some might even call it a hat

Red hat

[ashen spindle]

all it means is on some linux distro you need to manually find a codec to run because they can give it to you because licensing

aka linux needs to install stuff, nothing new

[slow garnet]

yes, but it's more bullshit for people who don't know how to use linux

kinda like how some distros ask you if you want free drivers or not

[ashen spindle]

so linux got more linux

[slow garnet]

yessir

[astral haven]

I'm happy valve, Google, and microsoft deal with all this bs for me

[ashen spindle]

aye

[wheat plume]

THEY HAD TO TURN OFF THE COMMENTS
LOL I'M CRYING :')

https://youtu.be/ehbmC1irQuY

[ashen spindle]

lana they always turn off comments

[shadow minnow]

Pretty sure they used to turn of comments for a while now

[ashen spindle]

that is default for those companies

[astral haven]

^

[shadow minnow]

Otherwise it would look like YouTube rewind comment section

[astral haven]

YouTube comments are a cesspool and it was alooooooot worse for ads

[wheat plume]

That song wtf

ITS THE BIGGEST BALLS OF THE SUMMER

[shadow minnow]

Older apple events used to have better soundtracks

Even song by Aurora

[ashen spindle]

its literally just a part of the apple keynote they had some weeks ago now

most people here saw that ad

[wheat plume]

WHATS UP PEOPLE :')

https://youtu.be/H_3EYa3lMPw

Apple come out on stage with "HEY HEY HUMAN FUCKERS" and the crowd light up the apple supplied flares and glow sticks

[shadow minnow]

Apple Watch will be the glow stick

Change colors

[wheat plume]

Dd

Yes they should xd

[cursive summit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJeEd7_Cv90

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/09/better-than-jpeg-researcher-discovers-that-stable-diffusion-can-compress-images/

[astral haven]

stable diffusion can be Highly lossy tho lel

i am looking forward to that being tested empirically tho

[wheat plume]

I just got 16 cent from Google for telling them how happy I am with the experience of asking Google Assistant to turn off my bedroom light!

ah, technology is wonderful

[astral haven]

ikr

[ashen spindle]

18cent for giving up all privacy? sick deal for google

[crisp granite]

yeah usually you get fuck all in return

[wheat plume]

Usually you get 8 cent

[crisp granite]

getting anything out of it is a vast improvement

[wheat plume]

Idk why it's 16 this time

[crisp granite]

with inflation, it translates to about the same anyway

[ashen spindle]

true should probably be more like 160cent now

tbf you could pay me 160€ and I wouldnt put that into the house

[empty wren]

mesh be lookin pretty good

[cursive summit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P_iii5si40

[astral haven]

what

[empty wren]

i will say this always good to tram the bed first if possible, then probe it; because, you can still have issues with just probe. For example: I could not print a model because of a poorly trammed bed at really any speed, only after tramming I could print it. Probe is always traditionally meant for minor inconsistencies at best, some companies seem to have abused that. Bed is quite flat in my case, just the the refrigerator magnet might have some contamination or a little of adhesion issue. Sadly in my case I cannot tram the bed, it is way worse than springs which already are awful to deal with. That is besides the fact both methods are rigidly mounted.

[wheat plume]

Nintendo; just forward all the ports

They can't exactly give a specific port CAUSE ALL THEIR GAMES ARE PEER TO PEER
-.-

[astral haven]

quite a few days late but ok

[cursive summit]

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-threadripper-7000-storm-peak-cpu-with-64-zen-4-cores-spotted/

[deft marlin]

should play the chorus of "Custer" - Slipknot

because its what they're doing

"So cut, cut, cut me up
And fuck fuck fuck me up"

[deft marlin]

whats this about

[final flame]

once got a dollar from one

actually twice one was from 2020

usually the surveys are about whether you watched a video on YouTube or what you were looking for in your search results when Googling this

[empty wren]

3D printers, lots of thin aluminum beds that need proper tramming before use. Tramming is similar to leveling except in tramming the thing is already not level but you want to level parts to it.

You can only do so much with knobs and springs and it is the way the beds are made reasonably flat enough to print on fully across. The probe will map out at most like 81 points compared to the 5 with tramming.

Probably appropriate to ask this here, anybody know what I can do about a webpage that is blank? It is for my server which is on the same network my device is on. I already tried resetting permissions and a restart.

[fair gull]

you know what helps? having an actual internet contract and a upnp capable router aka not one from 20yrs ago

[shadow minnow]

Not possible everywhere

No cable internet at all possible for me

[reef patrol]

I don't see how being wireless prevents you from doing the above though.

[fair gull]

4g and 5g towers sometimes prevent p2p connections

thats how

depends on provider

but in general a dsl/cable/fibre connection is more likely to not restrict it

[reef patrol]

Sounds like a skill issue.

[shadow minnow]

Indeed the case for me

Transparency mode on the new AirPods is so good.
It’s like impossible to tell you are wearing EarPods

Even direction is now easy to tell with how fast the processing is

[fair gull]

well there is cost to them but sure

how do you intend to find other people without a server of nintendos making

like nintendo does more than that with sub money

and game sales

they have auth server for nintendo accounts and consoles

every console gets a unique certificate installed when its produced

nintendo bans these certs on banned consoles

aka you can actually play with cheaters

and if u do they wont play online for too long

[wheat plume]

O.o

[cursive summit]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ryzen-threadripper-7000-storm-peak-cpu-surfaces-with-64-zen-4-cores

Non-WCCF news

How are we thinking the non-Pro Threadrippers will do this year?

[thick elk]

I doubt it, the market for non-pro threadripper is just too small.

[cursive summit]

https://benchlife.info/gigabyte-b650-am5-motherboard-show-before-announce-include-b650e-aorus-master/

B650 non-E chiset exists

[magic crypt]

I'm going to wait to see the 13th gen benchmarks before I make a decision on what system to build next

[wheat plume]

Apple wanted to take inspiration from the revolutionary and very cleverly designed Apple Mouse to design the next iPhone

Here it is, in all it's glory!

[cursive summit]

If that, unironically, is how phones will look in the future

I'll just not own a phone

I don't call or message anyone anyways

[wheat plume]

^

I madeit better

Power button on the bottom

Volume buttons on the very bottom on the right side

perfection

This new location of the charger port, means you wont get distracted by your phone while its charging! cause you will have to have it face down

[shadow minnow]

Should make it foldable and only charge when folded

[wheat plume]

LOL

[misty saffron]

ackchyually

that lets you hold it quite easily

[ashen spindle]

yeah that actually looks like it could work well, you can hold it, you can put it down, can still use camera while its plugged in

but probably not going to be a thing due to situations where you put it in a pocket or similar where it would create heavy bend on the angle of the cable

[gusty kiln]

Random network question, would a wireless bridge be any faster than just using wifi to the original router at the same distance? This is for local file transfer

Basically router > wifi > machine
Vs
Router>wireless bridge router> machine

[empty wren]

Not like flip phones are gonna go away

[cursive summit]

Well I want a device

That is pocketable

Has internet and a web browser

Has good media consumption capabilities, so youtube, news, social media (reddit)

Facebook Messenger to chat with some peeps

I guess Discord

And that's all I use my phone for

And a headphone jack

[empty wren]

Oh

[gusty kiln]

@cursive summit sound like you want an Sony Xperia

It's like one of the only high end phone with a headphone jack left

[empty wren]

On the upside down sorta

Tons of mid end to low end phones with a headphone jack

[final flame]

while I do agree with you, there is one issue. the xperias price

it's the no compromises phone

I have no issue with no headphones jack, but I need a sd card slot which is getting rarer and rarer each gen

[empty wren]

Yeah that one is quite sad

So easy to do just stack with the sim slot

[final flame]

or just replace it with a card slot on esim phones

because apparently those are going to become the norm eventually despite their drawbacks

[empty wren]

I mean to be fair esim hardware could yeah just be closer to the soc

[gusty kiln]

Man the aune flamingo seems like a nice little dac/amp combo.

http://en.auneaudio.com/index.php?s=/Home/MArticle/detail/id/527.html

[stark bobcat]

I don't know how transistors taste and I don't wanna find out

And eating glass doesn't appeal to me either

[ashen spindle]

not a wafer connoisseur? smh

[wide falcon]

ok

[ashen spindle]

my guy you just replied to something from 2016

[wide falcon]

ok

idk

[stark bobcat]

My dude just in the chat to troll how uhmm ... nice?

[vocal cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/you-shall-not-pass-you-shall-be-banned-youll-be-banned-ban-gandalf-gif-14922971

[lethal wasp]

wat

[ashen spindle]

someone pinged a post you made 6 years ago

idk why

[lethal wasp]

I saw, kids be wilding

that's a strange amount of effort considering you can't jump back instantly like a forum

[astral haven]

Probably started at the beginning of the channel somehow
Discord has messed up and sent me there sometimes

[ashen spindle]

nah wasnt near the start

[astral haven]

Start was just a few days earlier

[ashen spindle]

oh hm true, well still wasnt really a conversation ender so idk why you'd reply to it even if it was recent

[astral haven]

Yup

[vocal cipher]

nice

[ashen spindle]

https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1575520361617117196

Wario64 (@Wario64)

Google is shutting down Stadia on January 18th, 2023 https://t.co/qi3mrA9FCO

https://t.co/R36fqDZb1V

Twitter · Sep 29, 2022, 4:18 PM

tbf stadia was up longer than I expected

[crimson wigeon]

But not too long ago they were just saying that's fake news!

[stark bobcat]

Wow almost like I was right a few weeks ago about stadia being a failure

Daaaaang

[empty wren]

Google is a joke

[stark bobcat]

But at least they are doing refunds

I expected worse

[empty wren]

Refunds even for people who bought when the platform first began?

[empty wren]

https://killedbygoogle.com/

[stark bobcat]

That I do not know I only read the statement

[crimson wigeon]

https://twitter.com/GoogleStadia/status/1552989433590214656 aged like milk pepelaugh

Stadia ☁️🎮 (@GoogleStadia)

@BlueFireDemon44 Stadia is not shutting down. Rest assured we're always working on bringing more great games to the platform and Stadia Pro. Let us know if you have other questions.

Likes

413

Retweets

102

Twitter · Jul 29, 2022, 12:08 PM

[empty wren]

Ah okay was just asking cuz pretty sure stadia controller is useless unless they open source it

It connects over wifi

[stark bobcat]

They said they'll refund all hardware purchases made over the Google store

[empty wren]

Ah alright then

[wheat plume]

uh...guys????

why my taskbar broken??

well, visually broken

[stark bobcat]

Windows 11?

[wheat plume]

ye

[empty wren]

Lol that is probably the issue

[crimson wigeon]

LOoks like you tried a hack to make it small like it should be, but that's unsupported so of course it breaks shit

[wheat plume]

the icons load before the taskbar does when I restart explorer

LOL

[empty wren]

Of course you would say that

[crimson wigeon]

Condemn it

[wheat plume]

I made it THICC now

[plush summit]

who could have guessed
it was so popular
when you thought of gaming, you thought stadia
obviously google is just doing this to make people angry
shame they are killing another good product
just like google plus
will we ever get a solid replacement that can fill stadia's shoes?

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah where am I gonna game now!

[magic crypt]

This was always going to happen

Unfortunately

[pale sigil]

im surprised they are refunding

[thick elk]

I still find it kind of sad, stadia had potential but google rather half-baked the thing

[ashen spindle]

yeah google just did not want or expect to pay as much as they would have needed to

but that was clear early on when you saw how little some of the C suite people know about their own project

[thick elk]

Sure exclusive games may have been the wrong move but the original pitch with youtube integration could have actually sold things

[ashen spindle]

that, how to treat devs was important too and not have terraria publicly shame you lmfao

[thick elk]

Still I can't say I am surprised either, it wouldn't be googles first half-baked money-pit

[ashen spindle]

yup

[thick elk]

The refund policy on the face of it seems rather nice:
"We will be offering refunds for all Stadia hardware purchases (Stadia Controller, Founders Edition, Premiere Edition, and Play and Watch with Google TV packages)"
"Most hardware purchases (Stadia Controller, Founders Edition, Premiere Edition, and Play and Watch with Google TV packages) made directly from Google will not need to be returned. "

Basically, this would net me a free controller on my shelf and a Chromecast for free when I got the premiere edition for 22 last year.
Okay free - inflation but still.

Not gonna lie I kind of like tech relics was the main reason I got the bundle.

[ashen spindle]

they missed the train when they were a pay to use service and then pay to own

as much as I hate the model if they had done game pass with it, that would've been so good for them

[thick elk]

Or they could have made it that for every x amount you spend you get extra premium time, or they could have included it with youtube premium or something like that.

[ashen spindle]

yea mayb

[thick elk]

negociating licenses for a subscription model is rough

especially if you are pretty new in the field of gaming

[pulsar canopy]

Who’s getting a 4090 here

[empty wren]

You

[stark bobcat]

Good idea then I won't have to use any heating in the winter

But no f that noise

[pulsar canopy]

No. I’m think I’m gonna wait for 5000 series

Hopefully by then, 4k ultra settings with ray tracing is possible at 60+fps

Without dlss

[gusty kiln]

Damn artisan no longer selling on lethal gaming gear. Now everyone gotta deal with Japanese shipping.

[coarse robin]

do you guys know if a tenkeyless version of the wooting is coming out?

[stark bobcat]

not anytime soon

[coarse robin]

as 60% is a tad too small for me and full keyboards are just not viable for fps games

[coarse robin]

ah rip :/

[ashen spindle]

next year sometime maybe, maybe later

[coarse robin]

yeah

man I'd love to try one out, does it really make that much of a difference in game?

Like im debating between this one and another small companies keyboard but they dont have the fast release stuff

[ashen spindle]

depends on the game

[coarse robin]

well ill be playing some valorant but also others like tarkov, rust

[gusty kiln]

Definitely great for valorant/csgo

[pulsar canopy]

Eh. It’s faster, but it’s not going to make you good.

[coarse robin]

yeah those are the main two which ive heard its the best for

apex too

[coarse robin]

yeah

[gusty kiln]

It just makes certain actions easier

[pulsar canopy]

Ye.

[coarse robin]

fuck, i never thought a decision between two keyboards was going to be this hard XD

[gusty kiln]

Could always get a macropad

With the 60he

[coarse robin]

eh

I just love the f keys, and having the prt screen,

[gusty kiln]

https://www.keebmonkey.com/products/megalodon-doio-triple-knob-38-keyboard-with-oled-screen?variant=42953926410455

[coarse robin]

also the escape being on a level higher is very comfortable for me too

[coarse robin]

this costs more than the other keyboard that I have in mind 🤣

also what are your guys thoughts on wireless keyboards for gaming

kinda pointless right?

[gusty kiln]

Only if you really want a cable-less desk setup

[final flame]

there's no reason for a kb to be wireless imo, just another thing you have to charge in the end

[coarse robin]

yeah

I get having a wireless mouse that lasts forever with no latency

[gusty kiln]

Or using one keyboard for multiple machines

[coarse robin]

but not sure about keyboard

[coarse robin]

ill just be using 1 pc for games so yeah probably wont in that case.

[gusty kiln]

Well people barely move their keyboards

Maybe 1 inch for adjustment

[final flame]

just get a 2nd one or do it through software

[gusty kiln]

Switching from 2.4 to bt with a hardware switch is nice

That's what i do with some mice

2.4 on desktop, bt on laptop

[final flame]

for all the cables you lose by going wireless get added back right on the desk when you need to charge the device

[gusty kiln]

AA batteries

Ezpz

[final flame]

not everything uses replaceable batteries

[gusty kiln]

Most of the ones with both 2.4 and bt uses batteries

[final flame]

most people myself included have multiple cables running on their desk specifically for easy access

[final flame]

most gaming mice don't and most high end productivity mice like the mx master don't use replaceable batteries

[coarse robin]

whats the difference between 2.4g wireless and lightspeed wireless?

this is logitecs headphoens

if anyone knows

[final flame]

wouldn't get a Logitech headphone just saying

[coarse robin]

ah really?

[final flame]

just get a cloud 2

if you really need a headset

[coarse robin]

honestly

id prefer headphones

as I have an external mic

but if the headset is good

[final flame]

yea just do that

[coarse robin]

then id just get that and detatch the mic

but im trying to find good gaming ones, I accidentally bought sony xm5, bluetooth headphones for my pc to play games on 🤡

[final flame]

all headsets will be easily beaten by a good headphone for the same price and even cheaper

[coarse robin]

oo you think?

I'm just having trouble finding places too look

thats why i just resort to looking in the common places

[final flame]

budget?

[coarse robin]

like logitec and hyperx

[coarse robin]

nah not really

im refunding these 350£ headphoens from sony

because they're of not much use to me

[final flame]

hd560s easy recommendation

or a hd600

[coarse robin]

again, wireless and true wireless? is the first one fake or what?

true wireless seems to be earbuds

i think i answered that question myself

[final flame]

yes

but those are wired headphones

the ones I recommended

[coarse robin]

these look super comfortable

[final flame]

stay away from Sennheisers wireless stuff

[coarse robin]

oh really?

oh these ones are bluetooth anyway

which is not what I want

[gusty kiln]

I didn't say most mice, i said one with both of those options do. All of the X hyperspeed line from razer and orovhi v2, and g603 from logitech

[coarse robin]

what the fuck?

[stark bobcat]

what is wtf?

[final flame]

that's Sennheisers best high end headphone

[coarse robin]

price

[stark bobcat]

that isnt true

he1

[final flame]

he1 doesn't count

it's too expensive

[coarse robin]

this might sound like a stupid question but these will work just as fine for gaming as other brands like hyperx right?

like latency/response time wise if thats a thing

[final flame]

anything wired works for gaming it's such a low bar

[gusty kiln]

Are you going wired or wireless?

[coarse robin]

id prefer wireless but if the wired ones are just miles better then i'd go for the wired option

ive always used wired and i'd like to try some wireless stuff, like im getting a wireless mouse and thinking about wireless headphones too

[gusty kiln]

Do you need a mic?

[coarse robin]

no i have a hyperx quadcast

[final flame]

the hd 560s will outclass any wireless gaming headphone any day

[coarse robin]

on my current headset i have the mic permanently flipped up because I just have a better one hovering infront of my face

[coarse robin]

ok

[gusty kiln]

What's your budget?

[coarse robin]

like around 400

[gusty kiln]

Shit man, you can get sundaras and a magni

For 400

[coarse robin]

could you expand a little bit? im very noob

with audio

[final flame]

are you in the US?

[coarse robin]

UK

also why is the HD 650 a whole 300£ more expensive than the HD 560S, is it that much better?

[final flame]

magni is out of the question then

650 is better

[coarse robin]

I understand

but what makes it better?

[final flame]

650 also needs more power

[coarse robin]

ah okay

what if I don't have a plus side aux coord to plug in my mic like this one?

oh is that the adapted it comes with

[gusty kiln]

Yeah that's the adapter

[final flame]

if you get a 650 I recommend getting a headphone amplifier too

[coarse robin]

how much are those?

I'm now interested in the 650s however im not sure i'll need THAT much of a sound upgrade from if the 560s if you say they are miles better than any wireless stuff

[gusty kiln]

Just get the 560

Start small if you're new to audio

[coarse robin]

oh yeah

you wanna know what im currenly rockin?

xD

try not to puke tho

https://www.logitechg.com/en-us/products/gaming-audio/g335-gaming-headset.981-000977.html

its uh

abit cheap

[final flame]

yea this will be big upgrade

[coarse robin]

xD

I did have cloud 2's

but the cable broke

and made the audio fuzzy and shit

[gusty kiln]

I mean, I game with apple earpods while owning HD6xx

Audio not super important for gaming, just need acceptable

[final flame]

if you plan to get a dac and amp later on i recommend the jds labs atom stack

[coarse robin]

right, like the monitor for example is much more important which is why im going all out for a monitor which is coming out soon

[final flame]

since you're in the UK schiit audio stuff will be more expensive

[coarse robin]

i see

[final flame]

.

[somber schooner]

please wait for reviews of the 2566k

[gusty kiln]

Xg2431 is a cheap alternative at 240hz

Someone in here bought one recently

[coarse robin]

yes, but its not 360hz xD

the whole point of the upgrade

[somber schooner]

360hz != better

[final flame]

360hz is overkill unless your PC can actually put out that many frames

[coarse robin]

i think the 4090 will be capable

i can only assume tho

not out yet

[gusty kiln]

What games do you even play?

[final flame]

also depends on what game you are playing

[somber schooner]

every modern cpu can push 360fps on cpu bound esports titles like overwatch, valorant, csgo, fortnite

but yes, it does depend on game

[coarse robin]

league valo, rust, ill be trying tarkov hopefully too

[stark bobcat]

that is not true

[coarse robin]

mainly league valo rn because its not a demanding ame

[gusty kiln]

Kek, good luck on tarkov

[somber schooner]

?

[gusty kiln]

[somber schooner]

what modern cpu doesn't hit 360fps

[coarse robin]

but I do want to play tarkov and more rust with human frames

not barely 50 which is just eye cancer

[final flame]

personally I'd rather get a higher resolution more color accurate display that's at 144hz

[coarse robin]

I respect that

I currenly have a 144 and its not bad

[somber schooner]

what latest gen cpu doesn't hit 360fps in those games

[gusty kiln]

How much is the m27q-x in the UK?

[coarse robin]

but I have money to upgrade and am willing to pay some more for a 240/360 one which is why im just doing as much research as possible

[final flame]

if youre coming off of a ips panel tn will look like shit just sayin

plus viewing angles

[somber schooner]

just wait for reviews of the monitor

the 390hz monitor that ppl pushed as the BEST GAMING ONITOR sucked balls

[coarse robin]

thats true

[somber schooner]

zowie's implementation of 360hz might be bad, who knows

[coarse robin]

but benq are also known for making the best gaming monitors

by a margin

[somber schooner]

not necessarily

[stark bobcat]

if we are talking consistent 360 fps very few do

most of those are called 5800x3d

[coarse robin]

im not sure, I can't even find it anywhere

[gusty kiln]

Rip

[somber schooner]

im pretty sure 12700k and above and 5600x and above hit over 360fps in valo and csgo

for avg fps

though that also depends on ram so xd

yada yada

but you're right that it's not as easy as that blanket statement

[coarse robin]

Im basically just buying a whole new setup including the pc, and peripherals which is why im here for the keyboard but now were also on the topic of audio and monitors

but im still waiting for the release of the 13th gen i9 and the 4090

so imma be patient with those

I will for sure watch some reviews of the Sennheiser headphones tho as I completely forgot about that brand of headphones

[somber schooner]

if you're really chasing peak performance you're going down an ultra rabbit hole

[coarse robin]

mhm

im going for peak pc performance but not necessarily audio

[final flame]

560s is quite well rated by most reviewers, if you want some of my recommended audio reviewers here they are.
Crinacle
super review
headphoneshow

[coarse robin]

im not that interested in spending 2k on audio stuff

which ill be listening to gunshots with

[somber schooner]

audio quality is less important than audio latency IMO

adn soundstage is cool but not realyl that important

my ksc75s have good enough soundstage

[final flame]

^

[somber schooner]

ppl overblow how important soundstage are

pros in tournaments use earbuds

[final flame]

anything wired will get the job done

[coarse robin]

i heard about these a while back

[somber schooner]

ksc75s are goat budget headphones

[final flame]

if you don't mind clip ons

[somber schooner]

ye

clip ons bothered me with my old glasses but since switching it's been alright

[coarse robin]

yeah im not looking for the cheapest tho

i am going to watch some vids on the 560s

like some of you said

so wireless is just a nono then right?

[somber schooner]

yes

convenience? wireless is sick

latency wise? wireless sucks

there might be some where latency is low enough to be "good enough" but i still don't like playing with any added latency

i dont even use my apple usb c dongle for games because it tilts me

[coarse robin]

mhm

yeah I like the sound of the 560s

like from what ive heard from this one florian person

hd660s from what he said is 3-6% better for a 200£ increase in price

[final flame]

hd660s isn't too good

[latent mural]

Batch NA-Rho boards will be shipped out with FedEx express for air freight customers by default right ?

[coarse robin]

would you recommend an amp for the 560s?

this one person said it would help a decent bit with the sound quality

[final flame]

jbslabs atom

the amp and dac

[coarse robin]

whats the dac?

[empty wren]

Diddly apple catch

[final flame]

digital to analog converter

[coarse robin]

https://tenor.com/view/i-knew-it-kevin-hart-cold-as-balls-i-thought-so-told-you-so-gif-17760518

[coarse robin]

is that a seperate thing?

to this

[empty wren]

Usually no but higher end audio yes

[final flame]

yes

[reef patrol]

#1019755933959733258 please. 🙂

[coarse robin]

okay but are those two necessary? or would you say the headphones alone would be a big enough improvement

[empty wren]

You need them in general

[final flame]

the dac is necessary to even use the amp

and the dac will also prevent electrical noise

[coarse robin]

could you recommend a dac too? ❤️

[final flame]

atom dac

atom stack = atom dac + amp

[coarse robin]

i think i clicked on the wrong thing