🔌│tech

[shadow minnow]

Sounds like it doesn’t belong in tech talk to me 🔨

Sorry that was mean

[stark bobcat]

it s true tho

[ashen spindle]

very funny to move channels again

[stark bobcat]

lmfao

[ashen spindle]

also no call stack is not related to array size, that would be an index out of range error or similar

call stack is memory realted

[fair gull]

no

max callstack size is most often a recursion problem

as calling functions from functions adds to said stack

[shadow minnow]

We have two types of coders here

Ones who have wooting prototype collection

And ones who are Russian

[ashen spindle]

did you just call me russian

[crisp granite]

...is that an insult?

[shadow minnow]

There are secondary devs yes but people who didn’t apply for Woot job don’t account

[crisp granite]

if so it's wonderfully well veiled

👍

[shadow minnow]

Anyways only hollow can bring us triple movement in fortnite #makehollowacoder

And well Tony can bring us prototypes to be coder as well ofc

[fair gull]

to simply this way too much: a call stack is like a queue of functions the processor has to work through. if you call a function from a function that adds to the call stack cause one function runs but another one needs to run inside it.

with recursion

you call the same function youre already in

[shadow minnow]

#HireTonyHeKnows

[fair gull]

with different parameters/arguments usually

the issue arises if you dont have some exit condition

so you infinitely put more on the stack without it ever ending

famous recursive functions are things like fibonacci sequences

[ashen spindle]

at least those usually end in errors and stop unlike an endless loop that just freezes the entire system sometimes lmao

[fair gull]

true

you know what my favorite piece of code besides while(true) is tho

if (1 == 2)

usually used to disable paths but can still occur should cosmic rays flip 2 bits in your computers memory

[crimson wigeon]

If the bit flip happens during compilation because any compiler will probably just change that to a false and then elimininate the block entirely.. but who needs optimizations anyway

[ashen spindle]

just select the right(wrong) optimization flags

[crimson wigeon]

AKA none because I is smarter than compiler

[ashen spindle]

correct

[fair gull]

u never know

i mean compiling it to false makes it just 1 bitflip away anyway

[ashen spindle]

now the hard part is to find a way to compile it in a way that ECC wont save the bitflip lmao

[fair gull]

just pray for a shit ton of bitflips

so even ecc fails

[stark bobcat]

Just compile during a cme

[ashen spindle]

think I'll just do something easier and commit warcrime

[fair gull]

just git commit

and then git die

[ashen spindle]

thinking more in line of git genocide

[fair gull]

why not git geocide

Levenshtein distance to genocide is 1

but the destructive scale is way bigger

[ashen spindle]

ok now hear me out, git Deicide

[fair gull]

that would require gods to exist with some verifiable proof

i like the idea of geocide

its basically warhammer 40k's exterminatus but in reallife

[ashen spindle]

well you see, if they dont exist you can be sure they are gone and if they do exist you afterwards also can be sure they are gone

[fair gull]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubNqUyf0op0

just kill planets that believe in gods

the obvious path

for all we know gods could be willed into existance irl like they are willed into existance in ffxiv

[wheat plume]

Hmm, Interesting he gives the specs for a Chromecast

[reef patrol]

Guess it's worth nothing if you're comparing to chromecast alternatives

[wheat plume]

40 euro, not too bad maybe

[reef patrol]

Remote seems a tad superfluous.

[ashen spindle]

@digital cliff need your brainwave implant helping here, who is "he" thats showing the chromecast

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/01C4Cv6BgSE

[fair gull]

sure hope u made sure the pronoun is he

[ashen spindle]

no they are suffering from amd knowing they can charge a lot more than they need to for the entry level

do we know b650 prices already?

ok starts, so one trash board is 150, whats the rest like

yes it is if you can get cheaper and same performance with intel currently

future proofing for extra money isn't "value"

12600 with ddr4 and cheaper board is very similar and a lot cheaper

yes

[fair gull]

reminds me of the i9 smthsmth and rtx 3090 pc i got at work

[ashen spindle]

oh hey nice they added the FF benchmark to tests, guess I'm going to see how the benchmark compares to my ingame fps so somewhat extrapolate infos from it

oh btw if you had watched the video you'd know he literally says you have to wait for b650 to judge if it makes sense from a cost perspective

so you do agree

you cant buy anything else so what other numbers to you want to judge the value on

once they are known you can then re-evaluate it

the launch is tomorrow and with what you can get tomorrow its accurate

nah same with alder lake, it was not great on launch because you had to pay extra to get ddr5 and ddr5 was even more expensive etc.

you cant run the cpu in a vacuum

"skip it now, consider it when b-series comes out" is literally what he said and your same opinion xD

[pulsar canopy]

now im feling good about my 5800x3d purchase

For pure gaming, 5800x3d is 100% the best deal

[ashen spindle]

for now

at the point where the cpu architecture is not bottlenecked by ram access

no some different cpu architecture that works differently and likley has larger cache already

definitely not lol

[pulsar canopy]

if they release 7000 x3d

👀

[ashen spindle]

yeah thats coming early next year

zen5 will have vcache so its not going to be useless there

[deft marlin]

whats Zen 4/5c?

[ashen spindle]

server stuff

[deft marlin]

and well, ig when DDR6 comes out, it'll have access speeds akin to v-cache

or cache in general, at least (or most) L3

[ashen spindle]

lmao no not even close

[deft marlin]

how fast, for reference is cache?

access speed wise

I stupid

infinity fabric? Solution for knitting grandmas?

lemme check base clocks

[ashen spindle]

not latest gen but still accurate

L1/2/3 cache and then out to ram

[deft marlin]

or are they faster than infinity fabric already?

[ashen spindle]

cpu clock is not tied to IF and clocks a lot higher

[deft marlin]

💸 makers?

[ashen spindle]

no

ah thank god some higher resolution

for more details https://chipsandcheese.com/2022/01/21/deep-diving-zen-3-v-cache/

[ashen spindle]

oh btw, latency is going up not down with DDR revisions usually

[deft marlin]

True

I forgor, probably will happen to ECC more than non-ECC

faster speeds/more data the higher the chance of bit flips

meanwhile qubit RAM from 2058 in an alternate reality - you know I'm in your walls-

[ashen spindle]

well higher clocks make it go down to similar/lower latency after a while

but more of a small progress vs on die cache thats just directly there

[deft marlin]

argh can't type today lmao

[ashen spindle]

haha

[true quest]

https://youtu.be/-6Z1E0mW2ag

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah throughout is up but latency is too

So big cache is more important

I also think a hbm cached apu would be great if they could get it to work software wise

[gusty kiln]

Glad I got the 5800X3D pretty early, bet supply for it is going to dry up soon

[ashen spindle]

nah

if anything its going down in price a bit

[gusty kiln]

what's your reasoning?

[ashen spindle]

supply constraints easing up since focus is shifting to 5nm products and they are not going to stop making them since its still basically just leftover server cpus and they make tons of them

[gusty kiln]

new gen seems pretty unattractive, and I'm an AMD shareholder

[ashen spindle]

for shareholder the value is going to be in server/laptop and if you look at performance scaling on the 7950x

its a monster

[gusty kiln]

that's true

server is on a legit hype train

but mind share is going to take a little hit this gen

[ashen spindle]

nah

[gusty kiln]

IDK I'm pretty mixed on this release

[ashen spindle]

maybe for consumers for a bit only till v cache is coming early next year

[gusty kiln]

hopefully

[ashen spindle]

on servers intels cpu is still delayed, so their competitor against zen3 server is going to compete with zen4 server so thats an easy way to lose lmfao

[gusty kiln]

kek yikes

what is it sapphire rapid?

[ashen spindle]

ya

and if they get the scaling well enough for laptop it could even beat apples M3 on launch

[gusty kiln]

ryzen usually scales really well

[ashen spindle]

well low power is still tricky and apple is a node ahead

[gusty kiln]

the A16 Bionic was not a huge jump, so I can see M3 being similar

[ashen spindle]

but a zen4 + rdna3 laptop if done right could punch very far

[gusty kiln]

other than that 1 asus model, I don't know how well AMD advantage laptops are doing

the Asus one had a huge issue

the liquid metal they were using eventually caused thermal issues

[vagrant pagoda]

its amazing how good the x3d 0.1% low is

[ashen spindle]

Yeah it’s impressive that it doesn’t just improve the average but smoothed the lows out so well

[astral haven]

7000x3d hype

[ashen spindle]

Guess shows that lots of stutters come from loading new stuff or switching between it things that are too much for normal chaches. Wonder how the 7950x3d is doing cooling wise

[astral haven]

That's gonna be a crazy situation

Now that AMD has changed tdp to actually be in degrees c it's alot easier to tell now

The processor will be 95c
Period
Lmao

[shadow minnow]

Tdp in degrees sounds horrible

Depends on cooling so much

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean direct die

[astral haven]

Direct die on x3d is gonna be suicide

[astral haven]

Not if the processor just uses more power until it saturates the ihs...

[shadow minnow]

So clock will change

[astral haven]

Well yes?

That is how processors work

[vagrant pagoda]

https://twitter.com/Madness727/status/1540542036784422913

Madness! (@Madness727)

I can't believe I'm saying this but the 5800X3D has been delidded!
It doesn't hit 90°C anymore :D

Likes

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Twitter · Jun 25, 2022, 3:46 AM

only reason to not do it now is no oc suport

[astral haven]

And the cooler problems

[vagrant pagoda]

no cooler issues

its the same as any other direct die

[astral haven]

Direct die has always had problems galore

Gotten worse recently

[vagrant pagoda]

the ccx is the same hieght

huh

[astral haven]

The ihs is not any more lel

[vagrant pagoda]

never had an issue with coolers and direct die

[astral haven]

Lucky you

[vagrant pagoda]

who dose?

its not hard

[astral haven]

Literally every asetek

Contact lottery

Obviously air coolers shatter cpus when direct die but that's a given

[vagrant pagoda]

nah

ive ran d14/15s direct die

[astral haven]

For open loop, many blocks only have proper contact with ihs, which is why folks often use custom mounting hardware

[astral haven]

trust me bro this extremely risky mounting that has killed more CPUs than any other mounting method is fine

Why

I did it

What part of risk don't you understand

[vagrant pagoda]

way way easier to kill the socket than the chip

[astral haven]

I've seen as many irreparable sockets as chips dead from direct die
And 100% of users use sockets
0.01% at max use direct die...

[vagrant pagoda]

im talkingf with direct die

[astral haven]

That's an occurrence rate 10000x higher

[vagrant pagoda]

lots of shitty direct die frames kill sockets

[astral haven]

Yea I'm not even talking about the shady ones

Or the installation errors

[vagrant pagoda]

?

[astral haven]

I'm just talking about the folks who do it properly

[vagrant pagoda]

its almost impossible to break the cpu onces its in a frame

unless you drop a cooler on it

[astral haven]

CPUs can and do crack

[vagrant pagoda]

its not common

[astral haven]

Except when running direct die

[vagrant pagoda]

especially once its correctly installed in a good frame.

thats past all the dangers zones

you ahve any source on poeple cracking dies in good frames?

[shadow minnow]

Yes.
But how do you define clock speed if your tdp is based on temp
It would make clock speed variable not constant

[astral haven]

Sit around in the overclocking discord for a while

[astral haven]

😱

[vagrant pagoda]

find some sources

lol

because i do

[astral haven]

Search it

[vagrant pagoda]

im not the one saying it happens

if its so common

it should be easy

[astral haven]

Here's one

This guy was super lucky
This actually still booted somehow

[vagrant pagoda]

how was it done

i can go hit a loose die with a hammer

and take a pic

[astral haven]

🤷 point is it happens

If issues didn't happen, there would be no reason to not build brebuilts with direct die cooling...

It's almost like we learned it was risky 20 years ago and moved away from it...

[gusty kiln]

https://youtu.be/uks4qQ2MXrM

Not bad

For those who don't want to run at 95c with maxed out fans

[vagrant pagoda]

lol

you dont have to max fans

it will just thottle to keep 95

[stark bobcat]

Why would you

Wait for v cache cpus

[ashen spindle]

didn't you complain yesterday that you disagree with it being a bad value

thats the same price

I didnt say same number

[stark bobcat]

Eur is worth less than usd

And taxes

People will buy these cpus but they will still go down in price

Just like 5000 series

[ashen spindle]

doesnt matter

[stark bobcat]

Plenty of people with too much money

[ashen spindle]

just means they shift to sell more server cpus

they arent going to cut down on margin for no reason

[pale sigil]

Speaking of electric

Since this whole shitty situation I've been using sleep mode for the first time since my windows 7 days

[ashen spindle]

who uses sleep mode

just turn it off

[pale sigil]

Sometimes I leave the house and forget

[ashen spindle]

it is cheaper

but euro crashed

5950x msrp would be like 960€ now

[pale sigil]

I might get the 800x3d

After I sort out my room moving

But I'm gonna have to break it to my cousin that he can't have my 5600x for free anymore XD

I need some money back to justify going to 3d over normal x

[ashen spindle]

do you even need it

are you cpu bound

he's getting a grand extra 0 frames if he's gpu bound

[pale sigil]

I've had games that greatly benefit from it

Overall seems to be a huge improvement from benchmarks on games ive played too but I also want some more leg room tbh, sick of media running like shit when I'm playing games, eg I use Plex and Netflix a lot when playing some games and they lag sometimes even with acceleration off, Google says CPU

But in general I do a lot and my 5600x always gets heavy usage

Had the same issue with having an I5 which is why I went to an i7 and it was a night and day difference for my overall experience.

Some games it's a whole 30-50fps difference with my 3080

Far cry 6 for example

[vocal cipher]

I have 3700x and 3080 - should I upgrade? That 3080 cost me more than 3090TI's price rn

[ashen spindle]

well depends

whats the current performance, whats the performance you want and how much are you willing to pay

if you're happy with what you have no need to spend money

[vocal cipher]

I won't upgrade soon, just curious of the difference, tbh, benchmarks don't say it improves that much

I am just sad that, Apex Legends is still having problems keeping 240fps

on 1080 24''

[ashen spindle]

yeah for apex the x3d doesnt do much

[gusty kiln]

I went from a 3700x to a 5800x3d and it does feel noticeably smoother

On apex

But yeah, explosions and effects are terribly optimized in apex. Will never see stable locked 240 fps

[ashen spindle]

Meanwhile rainbow 6 could be the first game to run 1kfps in like next gen or so while it’s still a current game lol

[stark bobcat]

Osu fps go brrrrrrr

[gusty kiln]

Well yeah, it's not a BR

[ashen spindle]

2d Games don’t count xD

[stark bobcat]

😦

[gusty kiln]

Tf2 still has trouble running perfect 300+ fps sometimes on a 24-32 man server

Though the grass root pro scene only plays 6v6, so it's not a problem for them

[ashen spindle]

tf2 runs at 1kfps sometimes and then you go to that one spot in upward and are below 100

[reef patrol]

It's source. It don't gotta explain shit 😄

[gusty kiln]

In this situation tf2 could mean both team fortress 2 and titan fall 2

[reef patrol]

And both are source as well! Magic 😄

[gusty kiln]

Man I love team fortress 2, shame it's borderline abandoneware

[ashen spindle]

best game ever in the category of games that was needlessly killed by the developer

[gusty kiln]

Yeah

The player base (and bots) are still there, but it's not really going to attach a while new generation of players

[ashen spindle]

a lot of the playerbase has been switched up, lot of the non bots are now people who just looked at the first f2p game in some list or are genuinely lacking brain to press a mouse button while walking

[wheat plume]

🤔

but Vtubers are not AI

[ashen spindle]

does the video say that?

[wheat plume]

why AI has its limits

[ashen spindle]

yes I see the title

[wheat plume]

the title implies vtubers are AI?

[ashen spindle]

not necessarily

the models use AI for recognition so I imagine its about that

or something like that probably

[fair gull]

junferno has a substantial amount of braincells so i doubt he thinks vtubers are ai

also he has "vtuber" in quotes so maybe its a real virtual tuber

[ashen spindle]

post zen4 temps to scare a Lana near you

[reef patrol]

[fair gull]

the i9-12900k pc i got here thermal throttles

dark rock pro 4 is just slightly too small for it

[ashen spindle]

well yeah but 95c on zen4 is by design

insert angry Varis zos galvus being shocked that it was by design

[shadow minnow]

Weird, I have used a pretty bad cooler and it didn’t throttle

[ashen spindle]

you also have a different cpu...

[shadow minnow]

Oh I am blind

Lol

[fair gull]

ur cpu doesnt suck 230w

the dark rock isnt too small either

its a chonky 200w cooler air only

[shadow minnow]

Well it does when I OC it

315w even

[fair gull]

but even with the throttling it scored withing 200 points of most cinebench results i found

[ashen spindle]

didnt you have watercooling for your cpu how is that worse than a dark rock

but even if, different socket, different die size, different die layout

damn 7950x does sell the most so far lol

[crimson wigeon]

People do want them cores

[ashen spindle]

its not going to sell while b series is not out lmfao

5 of each

if its not in stock it also wouldnt show a price

idfk

[gusty kiln]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Damn reddit links are funky

[ashen spindle]

given they sold over 2000 units of 5600x this april alone I expect it to be more cpus for zen4 launch

[gusty kiln]

There we go

Viper mini wireless apparently

[ashen spindle]

https://twitter.com/IanCutress/status/1574795728068567041

[astral haven]

yup
330 is soooolid

[ashen spindle]

well, if the performance is fine

everyone besides you cares

I didnt say everyone wants to buy arc

[astral haven]

everyone cares that this gpu is going to be the cheapest gpu this generation
at least cheapest for the significantly foreseeable future

[stark bobcat]

I want arc

if I buy arc is a question for intel to answer

my 1070ti looks to be dying

[astral haven]

lovelace is expensive asf

rdna3 is expensive asf

[tropic nacelle]

The A770 is targeting 3060 performance levels and that has an MSRP of $329.... This isn't good?

[ashen spindle]

it is next gen just not halo product levels

[astral haven]

this

[ashen spindle]

it has AV1, what other gpu below 900USD has that so far?

[astral haven]

intel has improved their drivers to the point that amd was last year in 2 months

[ashen spindle]

many people dont want to buy used

like me

[stark bobcat]

did they got a source for that?

[astral haven]

what?

[stark bobcat]

seconded

[tropic nacelle]

Drivers make or break graphics cards, Intel's are still not good and won't be for at least a year or more.

They won't get enough usage to determine what needs fixing without GPUs being used which will take time especially since they clearly aren't being aggressive in price.

No basic end user will pick an unknown GPU which doesn't work reliably for enthusiast let alone them AND costs the same.

[ashen spindle]

comparing msrp to used card prices isnt the one comparison that would invalidate a product

[stark bobcat]

I don't have a intel gpu so it s hard for me to gauge how good their drivers are

[astral haven]

intel is not amd
they have the resources to fix the issues if they want to

[tropic nacelle]

The msrp of new 3060 is $329
A770 is also $329

[tropic nacelle]

I agree they are not AMD but they also have had abysmal drivers for decades as they never successfully entered the GPU market.

This isn't something that happens overnight regardless of your budget, it's the whole 9 babies in a month thing.

[astral haven]

they were previously rather unpleasant but have been improving siiiiiignificantly faster than amd

again vexxed
wait for the reviews

youll be shocked

[stark bobcat]

yes but where do you get information on how well they function

[astral haven]

my work computer and tablet are on the new driver branch

[tropic nacelle]

It's good that they are entering the market but they aren't undercutting the price of AMD or Nvidia with this announcement.

The drivers are KNOWN to be bad, the very fact Intel didn't have bugs raised before people like gamersnexus reviewed it says it all.

[stark bobcat]

arn't the dedicated gpus and integrated a bit different when it comes to that

[astral haven]

gamersnexus has not reviewed anything yet

they had a hands on preview

[tropic nacelle]

Erm yes they have.

[ashen spindle]

or maybe we wait till GN and co get these models and we will see how the drivers are at launch

[astral haven]

it was a preview

[tropic nacelle]

They reviewed the 380? How is it not a review???

[ashen spindle]

the 770 they had was a preview

what they tested was a 380 not the 770

[tropic nacelle]

It's the exact same architecture, this is extremely applicable

[astral haven]

the a380 already has drastically better drivers

[stark bobcat]

it s beena while

they can make massive progress in that time

[tropic nacelle]

The fact is the 380 launched with abysmal drivers. They didn't even know about these breaking bugs....

[astral haven]

they are being honest here
look at performance of unpopular games on radeon and its noooot pretty

[astral haven]

intel screwed up the a380 launch

except the a380 hasnt yet launched

[ashen spindle]

nah it launched by now

somewhat recently

[astral haven]

nope

its just like the gt1010

it exists for purchase but was never launched

[ashen spindle]

yes it did, I can buy it at mindfactor for some days now

[tropic nacelle]

So their QA is terrible and they will work on it.

Which is why I said it's not going to be magically fixed for this launch as it's too short to optimise for every single game xD

[ashen spindle]

ehh perhaps

[gusty kiln]

I thought it launched in Asia

[stark bobcat]

honestly I wonder how intel defines launched

[tropic nacelle]

It definitely has launched, how else did gamersnexus review it? Doesn't matter if it's not in America (it is now) as selling it anywhere means it's launched.

[ashen spindle]

the same way we should not judge rdna3 based on vega64 we should not judge the 770 based on the drivers they have until its actually launched

[astral haven]

intel never acknowledged its existence

a380 is in the same state that vega m was

[stark bobcat]

I personally wouldn't count the china launch

[tropic nacelle]

Not true, the accurate comparison would be comparing 6600xt with 6800xt driver situation

If a770 was a different design, absolutely yes.

[ashen spindle]

the point was no comparison makes sense and for both products we should wait till launch and look at it then

[stark bobcat]

yeah 200 for that card is wayyyyyyy too much

[ashen spindle]

and yes 2 months can do a lot for their drivers

[stark bobcat]

depends on the eur price

[ashen spindle]

and a 3070 starts at 570€ here

[stark bobcat]

400€ for a new 3070?

do not compare new and used prices

[tropic nacelle]

That's not really right though? The a380 has launched and the drivers were bad at launch.

They will be comparable at launch.

The problem is you need specific optimisations per game which is hard when coming in as a new kid on the block.

AMD optimisation on is stack is solid as is NVIDIA as they have had decades doing this.

[stark bobcat]

no it s not because there are people who don't want used graphics cards

[ashen spindle]

many of intels issues were general issues not lack of specific game optimisations

[stark bobcat]

this has already been explained

[astral haven]

again intel never launched the a380
it is available to purchase, but was completely left up to the oems

[tropic nacelle]

Lots of actual driver issues and per game performance. New games weren't bad but old games is dicey

[astral haven]

same is true for amd and to a lesser extent nvidia

[tropic nacelle]

Please, they did launch it.

[ashen spindle]

thats also not the first time, remember the 11700 or 11600k, one of them, was available some weeks before actual launch, so that is an accurate statement

[stark bobcat]

as long as they do well in rocket league I will consider them

[astral haven]

you need to watch the GN video on the 770

[ashen spindle]

it's literally 2 weeks for launch so we get reviews in like 10 days and we will know how it is then, I like to speculate about hardware but about driver status? no point really

[astral haven]

they acknowledged their mistake, and are now planning to do an actual release

[tropic nacelle]

https://www.ebuyer.com/1541093-asrock-arc-a380-6gb-oc-challenger-itx-graphics-card-a380-cli-6go?mkwid=s_dm&pcrid=51630194939&pkw=&pmt=&utm_term=&utm_campaign=Shopping+-+All+Products+-+kickstone&utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ppc&hsa_acc=1530083092&hsa_cam=210357299&hsa_grp=14695990379&hsa_ad=51630194939&hsa_src=g&hsa_tgt=pla-332276199804&hsa_kw=&hsa_mt=&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&gclid=CjwKCAjwvsqZBhAlEiwAqAHElUHMUiSs_y0rwkgafoL6fMLcGRUKz9Jd5Xp7Onm4__a0397Yx0jxOBoCqGEQAvD_BwE

it's launched for Christ sake xD

[astral haven]

again thats not intel

[tropic nacelle]

....

[astral haven]

you need to watch the video on the 770 by gn

[tropic nacelle]

Please man accept being wrong on this one point.

[ashen spindle]

they did not officially launch it in the west, that is accurate

its just a mess but not an official launch

[stark bobcat]

he is saying intel has not officially launched the product but AiBs are free to sell them

[tropic nacelle]

If you are selling products to the market it is launched.

[astral haven]

yup
and intel acknowledged this is very much not how to do things

[astral haven]

so the 4090 is launched?

and raptor lake?

yep they are

sure
but you can buy them

[tropic nacelle]

Yes because they wanted to downplay their launch because they knew the drivers were abysmal and wanted a small market test.

They should have just done an early access test or something more sensible.

[astral haven]

on ebay

they are only a few grand

[stark bobcat]

what is done is done

intel can only admit their mistake and move on

[tropic nacelle]

It launched in Asia and it's available in the UK, it even says on Intel's website it's launched.

[astral haven]

yup
and again intel at least admitted their mistake

[tropic nacelle]

With a rocky start they need to undercut not match price of Nvidia. Why would anyone take a risk on it?

[astral haven]

you can buy raptor cpus that are fully working right now

its on ebay

[ashen spindle]

erm, they are already selling those gpus at a discount haha

they are not making much profit on them lmao

[tropic nacelle]

Can you buy them from actual retailers? There's a difference between ES and other offhand sales

[astral haven]

🤷

again intel made a mistake
what part of that dont you understand

[ashen spindle]

the a380 also isnt buyable anymore here since they only had the few and no restock since its not really launched yet

[tropic nacelle]

Are they? That's not good then! As it only matches the msrp of its target performance so it's not cheaper .

Shame for all of us if they aren't willing to undercut, I would have expected Intel to take the profit cut to buy up market share early

[ashen spindle]

they still have some but arent selling them till official launch now

[stark bobcat]

if pricing on the a770 is good I might consider it

[ashen spindle]

Shame for all of us if they aren't willing to undercut
you are misunderstanding something, there is nothing else that gets you this much N6 wafer for so little lmao

they are pricing it as low as they can already

[tropic nacelle]

Didn't say it wasn't a mistake, you were just being adamant it wasn't launched so any review isn't a review and can't have happened.

It's fine to be launched prematurely and move on but it's only been a couple of months, it won't have magically fixed all game issues nor base driver problems.

[ashen spindle]

it not being the best gpu architecture is something else

[astral haven]

thats very much not what I said

[stark bobcat]

I just hope intel sticks with it and makes them on their own fabs

[ashen spindle]

meanwhile MLID is coping and thinks hes still a leaker https://vxtwitter.com/IanCutress/status/1574803878058467329

oh ffs discord starting fixing your embeds

[gusty kiln]

Isn't intel cutting back on market segments?

[stark bobcat]

yes

they only just started with gpu tho so I hope they stick around

[ashen spindle]

they are cutting (optane)memory business yes

but that writing was on the wall for years

[astral haven]

such a shame too

just a year out of cxl.mem being a thing

[gusty kiln]

At least their wireless tech should be safe

[astral haven]

oh for sure lel

[stark bobcat]

lol why would it not be

[tropic nacelle]

Christ don't give that man air, he is worthless as a "leaker".

[gusty kiln]

Can't recall any high end mother board with killer nic past 2015

[astral haven]

intel wireless is relatively omnipresent
routers, enterprise, laptops

[astral haven]

killer is software not hardware

[stark bobcat]

I wish I could be that guy spilling useless crap and getting paid for nothing

[gusty kiln]

Realtek hardware

[astral haven]

some killer nics are intel, some are realtek

[tropic nacelle]

Making shit up everyday must be taxing.

[astral haven]

the wifi 6 ones were mostly intel
and about half of ac was intel

[stark bobcat]

last killer thing I used was complete ass

[astral haven]

same

[stark bobcat]

sounds chill to me just spin a yarn and make bank

[astral haven]

they basically just make the hardware worse

[ashen spindle]

ohh thats cool, intel showing progress on silicon photonics

[astral haven]

yas
moar

[astral haven]

the 100gbps qsfp28 single mode photonics tranceivers are now under $10 on ebay

[ashen spindle]

detachable without data loss after replugging it, no super tight fits needed

[fair gull]

now u just need a switch with 100gbase-t qsfp ports

[astral haven]

no

qsfp28

theres no 100g base-t standard

[tropic nacelle]

Maybe I misunderstood, the price of A770 is the same as 3060 and is targeting similar performance levels in games.

Was this about a different card? Doesn't matter how much it costs to make for the consumer ultimately as the price to performance is all that matters (ignoring the driver aspect)

[ashen spindle]

I mean with current market prices those number are undercutting the competition

[astral haven]

sorted by lowest price

[ashen spindle]

cheapest 3060 here is 416

[stark bobcat]

I mean they also compete with amd

[fair gull]

i thought there was plans to write up the standard

[astral haven]

intel is just over the 6600 which is slower

[astral haven]

100g base t is gonna take a while

[ashen spindle]

6600xt here starts at 409

[astral haven]

yup
alot cheaper here tho

[stark bobcat]

6650xt is 364€

[tropic nacelle]

Wait the msrp of 3060 was $329 what happened xD.

[astral haven]

have you paid any attention to gpus?

[ashen spindle]

inflation, cost going up, market costs

[gusty kiln]

Lower end nvidia cards prices never made sense

[tropic nacelle]

Yes, I genuinely thought Nvidia had an FE one sorry.

[astral haven]

the 1060 was fantastic

[tropic nacelle]

I mistaken it was 3060TI which is FE and sold at MSRP

[gusty kiln]

Meant for 30 series

[ashen spindle]

what site is offering that for 364

[stark bobcat]

1050ti was around 90€ for a while

[gusty kiln]

3050 made no sense

[astral haven]

yup

hence why intels top of stack ended up so cheap

[astral haven]

the 750 should be very solid

[gusty kiln]

3050 still around 300 usd

[astral haven]

the 770 is a very very expensively built card

partner models could downcost the cooler siiiignificantly to match the 6600xt quality

[ashen spindle]

is that a used 6650? cheapes tI see on ebay is 384 which is on sale atm

[astral haven]

yup

amazon marketplace

[fair gull]

guess imma stay with 10gbase-t

[stark bobcat]

always hard to know with amazon

[fair gull]

40gbase-t seems like a too weird inbetween

[astral haven]

sfp best p

[tropic nacelle]

6650xt was available for $299 on newegg

[fair gull]

sfp+

[ashen spindle]

ah no, marketplace is private sellers so used card

[stark bobcat]

anyway 6650s are decently priced

[astral haven]

i meant in general

this is qsfp28

i really want that new(ish) 4x100g mikrotik

[fair gull]

wasnt there some ddr type thing for sfp

sfp double d

or smth

[ashen spindle]

well either way, they will be a bit cheaper than other offerings and how drivers are going to be we'll see in two weeks

[astral haven]

sfp > sfp+ > sfp28 >sfp56 > sfpdd

[stark bobcat]

I wanna see intel succeed

[astral haven]

add a q to the front for the 4x bandwidth variant

[ashen spindle]

https://twitter.com/IanCutress/status/1574806694080565260

discord fix your embeds REEEEEEEEEE

[astral haven]

so qsfp28 = sfpdd bandwidth wise

[astral haven]

exceuse me what

[tropic nacelle]

It's a win for consumers if they succeed and long term Intel need this so I doubt they will go anywhere soon, they will double down on it rather than what they just did with optane.

[stark bobcat]

wouldn't that be nice

[fair gull]

guess imma see if i can get some juniper gear at this point

[astral haven]

meh

mikrotik best

in 2017 lel

[ashen spindle]

yea live presentation of the measurements too not recorded

[astral haven]

this will be expensive

aint gonna be on ebay for $10

[ashen spindle]

oh yeah haha

[astral haven]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/255388639924

[fair gull]

https://www.juniper.net/us/en/products/switches/qfx-series/qfx5700-ethernet-switches.html

u never need another switch in your lifetime

prob couldnt afford another anyway

lol

[astral haven]

Can't afford that tho

[fair gull]

u can

just kidnap some people and sell their kidneys

ez

[astral haven]

And the noise 😱

[fair gull]

eh im used to it

got 2 servers in my room and unifi networking stuff

[astral haven]

The mikrotik is near silent

[fair gull]

got used to it so no issue ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[astral haven]

And can be poe powered

Poe powered 100g...

[fair gull]

ill prob stay with unifi as the next switch ill get from them will be a normal pro one only need 2 10gbit ports anyway

[astral haven]

MikroTik CRS504-4XQ-IN Cloud Router Switch 650MHz 4xQSFP28 Compatible with 40G, 25G, 10G, and 1G Fiber Connections https://a.co/f6n8DXd

I wants it

[fair gull]

not even 100GbE

[astral haven]

?

It is 100gbe

It's also backwards compatible but it very much is 100gbe

[fair gull]

oh wait ya thats the one i looked at

only read ur paste

eh not that id spend 700eur on that

id rather spend the whatever i calced on a 24+2 switch and a 10GbE router

[astral haven]

It's a solid core switch

[fair gull]

i wouldnt ever use anything it can do for that money

at least with the current servers i have

[astral haven]

This is for pairing with a pve proxmox + truenas router

[fair gull]

imma bet it wont perf different than my current setup except for putting data onto it or pulling it off

[astral haven]

sure

but I can put all but my boot drive on it without at all changing access speeds

[fair gull]

since my server is 1 single beast of a unit anyway i only need a good connection to my home net so the 4 or 5 devices can stream plex

[astral haven]

sure
but what about using it as an internal drive on your main pc

[fair gull]

ya no im almost sure its still faster to just use my internal stuff

[astral haven]

solidly capable of a half million iops

[fair gull]

even if... my servers all have an infiniband card in them

[astral haven]

you didnt get a vpi card?

[fair gull]

my guy

do i look like i have billions of eur for new hardware

i bet on ebay and just got good shit so far

[astral haven]

vpi cards are an hour and a half of sketchy flashing commands from normal cards

[astral haven]

same

[ashen spindle]

oh btw raptor lake is on a node enhancement so technically we are at 10nm++++ now without the renaming

[fair gull]

i paid 200eur

not even 200eur

for 256gb ecc ram

and ofc the rest of the server

including now 4 xeons

[astral haven]

i paid 200 for my pair of 100g dual port cards

of the pcie 4 variety not the dual pcie 3 variety

[fair gull]

anyway 0 intentions of running anything from my server except a nas and plex

[astral haven]

Sure

[fair gull]

already have to mirror a good what 35tb by now

not sure where imma get enough 2.5" datacenter ssds for that cap

[astral haven]

But I've got 45 drive bays and I'm confident I could fill them with hdds if I wanted to
And I don't want the network to be the bottleneck

[fair gull]

im not even sure my pc could handle full 100gbe

id maybe entrust it 25 at max

[astral haven]

Mine is bottlenecked by the chipset

[fair gull]

good investment then

[astral haven]

I can line rate 64g tho lel

But on the server it should be able to serve more

[fair gull]

if i had the money for a dream homelab machine/rack id have some good ideas even for smth small like a 19HE rack ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/OfM0GqsIB6c

[astral haven]

ah great

[gusty kiln]

Lol at the 5800x3d on intels charts

[ashen spindle]

did they actually show it? didnt notice the slides with it

[gusty kiln]

Slide 17 in their presentation

[ashen spindle]

dont have that on me, jus watched the stream earlier

[ashen spindle]

ty

[gusty kiln]

They use a tiny red line for the x3d

[ashen spindle]

LOOOOOOOOOOL

well they cant ignore it

but at the same time need to look as good as possible

[gusty kiln]

Idk wtf is arcadmagedon

Seems like a very cherry picked game

[sudden glacier]

use twitter fix links
https://fxtwitter.com/IanCutress/status/1574806694080565260

[gusty kiln]

The other games make sense

[ashen spindle]

did earlier, fx or vx works, but still annoying

also their embeds are look poo

[sudden glacier]

compared to no embed or "could not play media" I'll gladly pick this embed over the alternative

[ashen spindle]

I'll stick to complaining

[thick elk]

Arguably there is a defense for Intel using a small mark for the x3d as it's not really the flagship chip.
But either way it looks like a big cope

[astral haven]

at least they put it on the slide

[ashen spindle]

nah amd markets it as the best gaming cpu

[thick elk]

Yea but they ignore it for the percentage gain

[astral haven]

yea amd ignored it too when launching 7000 lel

[thick elk]

so they may put the line on the slide but still hapily state a 6% uplift in wow

[ashen spindle]

yeah but amd also didnt claim new best gaming cpu with it

[thick elk]

Either way it's just marketing slides, waiting on reviews / general availability is prefered

[ashen spindle]

ofc its just a bit pathetic

[gusty kiln]

Isn't the 13900k on par multithreaded with the 7950x based on leaks?

Or am I misremembering?

[astral haven]

similar to better depending

it is 24 cores

[thick elk]

Well depends on the type of multithreading as well, jobs that scale linearly and don't use avx 512 sure but less scaling multithreaded tasks less so

Also to point out a pet peeve of mine, flac convertion would be such a linear scaling job. If you actually do it sensibly and do it in parallel and not just one file at the time.

[astral haven]

we shall see in the reviews

[ashen spindle]

where did you get the slide from btw

looks a bit messy

[gusty kiln]

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/xpletb/intels_13th_gen_processors_arrive_october_20th/iq4f1xt

[ashen spindle]

hahahahah on the 1%ile they leave the x3d out becuase then they would lose easily

[gusty kiln]

That's what fps ratio mean?

Oh wait

Nvm

[astral haven]

i spy evga rtx 3090 lel

[ashen spindle]

heh yeah

almost wished I saw that earlier, would've tweetet at Dr. C to ask them why they excluded the x3d cpu there

hope some reviewer will see that too lmao

so basically intel confirmed 5800x3d is the best gaming cpu especially value wise and if you want something better its best to wait a quarter for zen4V

lmao

[astral haven]

wellllll

we shall see

intel can get real competitive down the stack

[ashen spindle]

wellll

keep in mind down the stack they are not launching raptor lake

but alder lake refresh

[astral haven]

alder lake was not terrible down there...

[ashen spindle]

yeah but it also still isn't RPL so no new gains there, they cant price it better since its larger silicon and zen3 goes down in price there now and competes with it for free till lower end zen4 comes

its just a bit unusual

[gusty kiln]

It's been a while since companies used last gen as their lower end

Used to happen to gpus all the time

[ashen spindle]

thats the 1k unit price for vendors not retail

[gusty kiln]

Oh shit really

Damn, maybe 650 retail then

[ashen spindle]

them only showing 1k pricing was how they have always done it

[gusty kiln]

Leme check 12900k pricing

[ashen spindle]

we dont even know if the 7800x3d is a thing yet

might only be 7950x that gets the upgrade for now

no he said its in planing not coming out first and he's not all knowing

nah

[gusty kiln]

I wanna see 256MB of l3 cache

That's the same as the 12900k

But per 1000

On Intel ark

That's exactly what AMD wants you to think

They're betting on AM5 longevity

[ashen spindle]

buy a 7950x and then get a 7950x3d, give your money to amd so my amd stocks are worth more

[gusty kiln]

To attach customer, even with t the poor price/perf ratio

[gusty kiln]

Exactly

[stark bobcat]

intel stock go up when?

[ashen spindle]

in 3 years maybe lel

[gusty kiln]

Mind share on Intel is pretty poor atm

[ashen spindle]

you think you do but you definitely dont want that to happen

[gusty kiln]

No way

[ashen spindle]

literally nothing good would come from intel going away

[gusty kiln]

Imagine nvidia power vacuum into x86

[tropic nacelle]

You don't want Intel to die, you want them to stay begging for sales for a couple more years then come back.

[gusty kiln]

Hellllll nawwwww

[ashen spindle]

yeah its going to to a lot when they need to buy all the talent for the fabs from other countries lmfao

[gusty kiln]

Nvidia would love for either one of amd or Intel to die

Jensen have been wanting that x86 pie foreverrr

[ashen spindle]

would never be allowed by the government

if they cant get arm they cant get something even bigger

[tropic nacelle]

The stagnation they directly caused in CPU market is pretty insane so they deserve to be in the gutter for awhile while AMD finally recoups much needed money that Intel practically stole.

You don't want Intel out completely as AMD will just become Intel as companies are mandated to maximise profits, they aren't your friends.

[ashen spindle]

false, they are my friends while I have their stock

[gusty kiln]

Pretty good time to buy any of the big 3

Shit been tanking for months

[tropic nacelle]

no you dirty shareholders are the reason corpos can't be friends ! Always gotta make you money haha

[ashen spindle]

gotta make my money so I can afford the hardware

[gusty kiln]

What's your share average

[tropic nacelle]

And the capitalist society loop continues!

[ashen spindle]

uhh would need to check, I did enter much later than I originally planned but what I didn't sell should still be in a comfortable plus right now

[gusty kiln]

Think my Average is like 30 a share

[ashen spindle]

oh damn not bad

ew tmartn

[gusty kiln]

I guess this should reduce copyright strikes

Give channel time to redo their video instead of locking them out

[reef patrol]

Oh wow. 50% split for using three seconds of white noise that some moron managed to copyright.

[gusty kiln]

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/omaru-polka-wow-its-nothing-hololive-hologra-gif-25418601

[gusty kiln]

Especially all those gamer montage videos

[ashen spindle]

its a major deal lmfao

[gusty kiln]

They love using meme music

[ashen spindle]

fucks over your video algo and fucks viewership

[reef patrol]

So what happens if you have three license holders each competing for that 50%? 😄

Do you get -50% while everyone else gets paid.

[glad scroll]

It's kinda weird that they didn't split it up from the beginning with seconds of music / total video length = share to artist

[ashen spindle]

bro why are you stupid vex

why would you spam a link the bot things is spam

now he got himself banned gg

[glad scroll]

@cursive summit

Yeah, he's a goner

[crimson wigeon]

omegalul

[gusty kiln]

Guuess the heavy handed tactic is to force people to be more careful with their music choice

[pale sigil]

He got banned

[gusty kiln]

Imagine getting banned before getting your keyboard

[pale sigil]

Gj

[ashen spindle]

anyway what he was linking is just this but on amds site https://videocardz.com/driver/amd-radeon-software-adrenalin-22-9-2

[pale sigil]

[reef patrol]

[ashen spindle]

now I cant be petty and point out he was wrong about things from months in the past

[cursive summit]

That was stupid

[ashen spindle]

you knew that would happen

[cursive summit]

Look I am perfectly capable of being criticized

[cursive summit]

Honestly

I should have known

But I got carried away

Soz

[tropic nacelle]

Why were you spamming links?

[ashen spindle]

yeah but now your messages are gone so I cant

[cursive summit]

They are not?

All of them are back

All 70.000 of them

Feel free to pick on my stupidity

[ashen spindle]

but they aren't...

oh now they are

discord needed to reload I guess

[cursive summit]

I am really interested how that bot is programmed

[ashen spindle]

nothing special the spam detection just thought it was a banned url

[cursive summit]

Cause that link didn't at all look like any spamware

[ashen spindle]

we literally had the same issue weeks ago with another amd.com link

[cursive summit]

Which I also shared

I think that was community.amd.com though

[ashen spindle]

and you were told not to spam it or you would be banned by the bot

[cursive summit]

SORRY

I forgot

[tropic nacelle]

If($user == "vex")
{
$ban = true;
}

Something like that

[reef patrol]

Bother Pleasant. I think he's the one who implemented the rules based on the constantly evolving spambots back during the spamwar 😄

[cursive summit]

while(true){
If($user == "vex")
{
$ban = true;
}

}

[ashen spindle]

no I mean some longer time ago it was a amd.com link without community part on it

[cursive summit]

You forgot the important bit

[tropic nacelle]

No no you don't need loop, it does on post

[cursive summit]

Are there any genuine disadvantages to while(true)?

I really like using it if I want to run code over and over

[ashen spindle]

run an empty while true and figure out what happens

[crimson wigeon]

busy wait to ensure it does the ban quickly

[cursive summit]

Sounds like a potential memory leak

[ashen spindle]

nope

what memory you dont allocate any

[cursive summit]

I mean it'd just run a lot of cycles of nothing

So, hog the CPU?

[tropic nacelle]

Infinite loops are bad, but depends what you are looping.

In this case you would run the call once so no need to loop, if you did need to make a loop I pref to have a condition already.

[sudden glacier]

a never ending task

[shadow minnow]

Tell us non programmers what would happen xD

[cursive summit]

I kinda want to boot my VM and try

You know, for science

It's a VM anyways what's the absolute worst that can happen

Other than the PC exploding

[tropic nacelle]

It would keep looping the code and run infinitely, you will eventually run out of ram and crash generally as there is no exit condition.

Imagine a race where you never crossed the finish line, you just looped endlessly

[sudden glacier]

just freezes the program trying to execute it

or well, it executes it but never finishes so it freezes for all you can tell

[gusty kiln]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/09/alienwares-cheaper-qd-oled-monitor-has-gpu-agnostic-adaptivesync/

[cursive summit]

200$ off a million is still a million

[ashen spindle]

You don’t run out of ram since you don’t put anything into the ram

[cursive summit]

Is it now priced properly?

[gusty kiln]

1100

[cursive summit]

Cause those QDOLEDs and mleds look cool

But man are they unaffordable for poor peeps

Yeah 1.1k is a bit steep

[gusty kiln]

50 cheaper than a 42" LG C2

[cursive summit]

That's a TV though

[gusty kiln]

That's the only other oled alternative

[cursive summit]

No?

Wasn't there a Gigabyte OLED

That's probably the only QD-OLED

[tropic nacelle]

Depending on your setup and what code this is running on, you can.

Either way you lock overall

[cursive summit]

But there're a few OLED displays

[gusty kiln]

The gigabyte is also a tv

[ashen spindle]

No it doesn’t depend, an empty loop does not allocate any ram so you can’t run out of ram

[tropic nacelle]

Nice! No gsync ultimate module!

Seems you can't do 175hz this time though, wonder why that dropped down.

[gusty kiln]

Probably the overdrive

[tropic nacelle]

Oh, was talking about infinite loops in general loops. My mistake for not being specific in that

[gusty kiln]

Varible overdrive is still a nice thing to have with gsync

165hz is probably where they can set to 1 overdrive with minimal artifacts

[tropic nacelle]

There is no overdrive for OLED as it's not needed, it would help in LCD/LED panels though

[gusty kiln]

Then it's probably just panel binning

Still waiting for a 16:9 at 240+ hz

😴

[tropic nacelle]

I'm happy with my a3423d overall, I won't be replacing it for awhile now and hopefully by then either 240hz with higher peak brightness is the norm or microLED is finally in the market.

[ashen spindle]

I'm hoping by the time the qdoled is done QNED is ready to be used

[gusty kiln]

Kek, i never cared for peak brightness, only contrast ratio

Always game in a darker room

[tropic nacelle]

I mean with infinite contrast ratio on OLED/QD-OLED the peak brightness is the only downside, it's still amazing due to the contrast but it can always be better.

[ashen spindle]

oh god I just saw qned is also a term used by LG for something totally different

oh god screen manufacturers WHY

[gusty kiln]

What did you meant the say

Qled?

[final flame]

better than apple using, "retina" for literally anything

[ashen spindle]

no, this

basically qd oled -next gen

no oled so no burn in anymore

but all the benefits

[tropic nacelle]

Isn't QNED just the same as QLED but LG?

[ashen spindle]

yes but no

LG calls their stuff that but samsung QNED is nanorods

[cursive summit]

So QNED is Quantum Nanorod Emitting Diodes?

What even is a nanorod

[gusty kiln]

Just feed the image directly into my brain

[tropic nacelle]

I kinda stopped following it all after seeing microLED in person, OLED/QD-OLED or MicroLED for me.

[cursive summit]

There's been a lot of innovation in the display scene for past few years

Now who knows which one of those will be the next big thing

[gusty kiln]

TN still around with the highest refresh

[cursive summit]

TN?

That's dead though

[gusty kiln]

Nah

[cursive summit]

Isn't the current IPS at like 480Hz?

[tropic nacelle]

Not the fastest response time though 🙂

[gusty kiln]

Asus gunna release a 500hz soon

[tropic nacelle]

It may have changed but microLED essentially being significantly brighter than miniLED and contrast ratio of OLED with no burn in.

So far from being mainstream consumer level though

[ashen spindle]

well qned will have no burn in and also get higher brightness

so if it comes as planned that would be the way to go in some years

hence my hope when my alienware is done they are ready

[tropic nacelle]

Will keep an eye out on that then, either tech by then will peak my interest 🙂

[ashen spindle]

yup

[gusty kiln]

Is the fan edition line from samsung dead?

[cursive summit]

I hadn't heard any news on any new FEs

S20FE was a bit of a scam in certain countries

Damn exynos

[gusty kiln]

Yeah, I have the Qualcomm version, pretty great

The pixel 7 and 7 pro seems to just be an soc upgrade

[crimson wigeon]

https://github.com/intel/xess oh doesn't look very open source 🤔

[astral haven]

the implementation of it is open source as far as i can tell?

they also provide binaries, but it is open source

https://github.com/intel/xess/tree/main/samples/basic_sample

[crimson wigeon]

Where's the code that produces libxess.lib?

[ashen spindle]

yeah that is not what everyone thought they meant when they said its open source xD

[gusty kiln]

Open source (to our own developers)

[fair gull]

ask torvalds

[astral haven]

https://github.com/intel/xess/tree/main/samples/xess_demo/Source/XeSS
its in here

[crimson wigeon]

Nope, doesn't look like it has the code for the functions defined in the include files https://github.com/intel/xess/tree/main/inc/xess

Also trying the sample: native res: 155 FPS. XeSS in performance mode: 35 FPS pepelaugh definitely not for older AMD cards at least

[ashen spindle]

I know someone said if it's open he'll try to change it to dp4a code and run it on vega igpu lel

[cursive summit]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asrock-x670e-taichi-carrara/

I read "Taichi Carrera"

Why did they nearly name their motherboard for a car

[gusty kiln]

Perfect motherboard for your marble counter top kitchen

[tropic nacelle]

Why not just call it the taichi like they have for years. Names are funny, they spend way too much time on them

It looks just like my kitchen xD

[ashen spindle]

because its a special variant of the taichi, the regular one is normal colored and not marble

[gusty kiln]

Yeah normal one looks generic

[tropic nacelle]

Ah I read the blurb bit and it said taichi so I assumed they were talking about the same thing

The real taichi looks better imo

[gusty kiln]

No one can touch evga on motherboard anesthetics

Shame they not making a x670e, or at least not yet

[astral haven]

that is not the correct word lel
aesthetics

[ashen spindle]

nono, evga now pivoted to make medical equipment

[astral haven]

lots of tech companies try to do car company partnerships

[ashen spindle]

wake up in the ER with a pcb in your arm to put you under for the surgery

[astral haven]

"The ASRock X670E Taichi Carrara has a maximum output of 2,730 A, with 2,520 A dedicated to Vcore."
i love that the vcore vrm of a motherboard is rated for enough power to pop my breaker on its own

[cursive summit]

https://www.igorslab.de/en/ryzen-7000-tuning-guide-infinity-fabric-expo-dual-rank-samsung-and-hynix-ddr5-in-practice-test-with-benchmarks-recommendations/

[gusty kiln]

ugh swipe typing suuuuucccckkkss

[fickle ore]

@ashen spindle Lol that new Alienware monitor is gimped at 165hz for no reason at all

No wait what it uses hdmi 2.0 and dp 1.4 LOL

[astral haven]

Aaaaand that's the reason

[fickle ore]

you'd think they had brains for hdmi 2.1 but I guess not

Ig they wanna keep it below their flagship model hz-wise

[astral haven]

Well
The better the controller the more money it costs...

[magic crypt]

Lower price part and probably easier to manufacture. The waiting list for the flagship is still months

[fair gull]

your breakers pop a under 3 amps?

[vagrant pagoda]

huh?

2700 amps at 1.5v is 3000 watts lol

[shadow minnow]

So at 240v 12.5A

[vagrant pagoda]

a lot more than 3 amps

[fair gull]

i wanna see them traces not burn at over 10A

[vagrant pagoda]

take a lot more than 10a to burn the traces

[fair gull]

do it

show me

[shadow minnow]

Tbf the mobo would still probably extremely overheat

[vagrant pagoda]

what computer are you on right now

[shadow minnow]

Due to resistance traces have

[vagrant pagoda]

its moving more than 10a

[fair gull]

macbook pro

[vagrant pagoda]

more than 10a of vcore lol

10a of vcore is macbook air levels

[shadow minnow]

I remember kiln always killing circuit breakers, was so annoying, since there were multiple breakers with up to 15A limits in different sections.

[fair gull]

also whoopsie

100

im well aware of 120w cpu

[shadow minnow]

Yes 100 isn’t gonna burn them.
But 2500 could definitely cause motherboard to extremely overheat

[fair gull]

but i just cant imagine it going far over 100amps even with all the heatsinking the motherboard substrate would do

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean

you arent going to run that for long

lol

its for surge current

[shadow minnow]

Well I can do 240 with no issues

Mobo doesn’t even get hot

See the traces from amps are short

And very wide

So resistance doesn’t get as high

[vagrant pagoda]

every mid ot high range desktop cpu dose 100a

[shadow minnow]

I can run my cpu at 315w and only thing that gets hot is the cpu

Not even the amps

[fair gull]

/shrug i dont sit on my mobo with an amp meter and the tdp is lower than 100a if i calculate it

[vagrant pagoda]

how else are you going 100+watts

vcore is low voltage

[shadow minnow]

Tdp yes but you can go higher

[fair gull]

im at like 1.2v or so

[vagrant pagoda]

how are you measuring vocre current with a meter???/

[fair gull]

meaning with 100a i get just above my tdp

[shadow minnow]

Anyways no 240A even won’t come close to damaging mobo.
The advertised 2500 however probably could

[fair gull]

why give a tdp in W if its a useless metric

[shadow minnow]

I ran my cpu at like 225A 1.4V for a while

[shadow minnow]

Vcore is dynamic usually

And heat production is in W

Kinda

So it’s useful

[vagrant pagoda]

tdp should be in watts

[shadow minnow]

^

Because it’s how much heat you get

[vagrant pagoda]

its the THERMAL design power

[fair gull]

yes

[shadow minnow]

^

[fair gull]

but hear me out

[vagrant pagoda]

its for your cooler

[fair gull]

it cant suck 1000w and only spit out 50

[vagrant pagoda]

not mobo

what cpu is pulling 1000w lol

[fair gull]

im just saying

[shadow minnow]

Doesn’t really happen with normal CPUs though

[fair gull]

the heat output isnt all too far from the energy draw

seeing how fast they burn up without a cooler

[shadow minnow]

With normal CPUs it’s not so far

[fair gull]

or heat my coffee mugs

[vagrant pagoda]

you couldnt even measure the difference

the amount of current used for signalling is miniscule

[fair gull]

ah so why do we use coolers then

[vagrant pagoda]

sorry

responded to the wrong mesages

[shadow minnow]

Also another reason 250A doesn’t kill traces is it’s not really traces.
It’s usually a whole layer dedicated to VCORE around VRMs, though further away it gets used for other stuff too

[vagrant pagoda]

that shoujld of been ofor heat output vs energy draw

[vagrant pagoda]

normally the bottom layer

[fair gull]

i sure hope bottom doesnt mean actual underside