🔌│tech

[ashen spindle]

they didnt make the gpu after seeing the electricity prices go up

[empty wren]

Yep in Europe they are

[shrewd thicket]

400%-600% increased

[frozen ingot]

yeah the energy crisis is the next cherry on the shit sundae

this decade just keeps on fucking giving doesn't it

[shrewd thicket]

People's bills were 100 eur one month, 600 eur the next, literally half a years worth in just a single month.. that's for people, small business are going under cuz they're suddenly getting multi thousand dollar energy bills

[empty wren]

Considering Europe high taxes

Not gonna go well in the long run either

[ashen spindle]

not related to taxes

[empty wren]

I just mean your income to spare is gonna be even smaller

[shrewd thicket]

Europe is slowly turning into something that looks more like a chaotic 3rd world country

[frozen ingot]

trust me taxes are the least of our concerns with this energy shortage bullshit

[empty wren]

Alright then

[shrewd thicket]

I don't even understand how a situation like this can get out of hand and nothing is seemingly done about it

[frozen ingot]

thank the eco cultists in politics

[shrewd thicket]

Like Here in the Netherlands, commonly referred to as one of the richest European countries. Most people are having to go to extreme measures to save on electricity just so they can make it though the month, meanwhile our king gets an extra 400.000 euro for seemingly no reason. And a couple days later he puts out a statement like "I understand for people it's very hard to make ends meet in the current situation" and that was his whole message. He doesn't make 400.000 eur a year, that's EXTRA 💀

[frozen ingot]

they'll happily watch us freeze to death if it means LeSs EmIsSiOnS

[astral haven]

No chance nl is one of the richest European countries lmao

[shrewd thicket]

A lot of small stores have already closed

[astral haven]

Maybe monaco?

[shrewd thicket]

💀 are u american

[frozen ingot]

NL might not be the richest but they're pretty well off

[shrewd thicket]

We're in top 10 for sure

Not exactly sure which spot

Changes every time

Definitely going down now it seems

At least looking from inside out

[ashen spindle]

I mean top 10 out of 27 isn't terrible but idk I'd called it one of the richest based on that

[shrewd thicket]

Man we dropped hard

[frozen ingot]

same

[shrewd thicket]

2020 it was a lot higher

[frozen ingot]

I figured we'd be higher than 9th kek

[frozen ingot]

that's the size of a damn console

[pale sigil]

Why does this look fake

XD

[frozen ingot]

what the hell nvidia

[ashen spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5soCA5SQD0 thats the video from earlier btw

[astral haven]

That would be asus

[ashen spindle]

idk why you would go dual radiator for a 12900k and aircooled 3090

but thats what they did

[frozen ingot]

ah yes, blame the consoomer for getting what's available

[ashen spindle]

yes

I do fully blame people buying 2080ti's for 1200 or more for those prices going out of hand

[shrewd thicket]

Because it's to show off their card...

[reef thunder]

Hello, I have one quick question. Should I buy an rtx 3070 used?

[shrewd thicket]

Well I'm about to buy a 4080 for 1600...

[reef thunder]

or wait for the 4000 series

[ashen spindle]

the difference is a 4080 has at least meaningful performance uplifts

[frozen ingot]

I blame AMD for never being able to properly compete with nvidia

[ashen spindle]

the 2080ti over the non ti was nowhere close to the gain relatively or just in general

[shrewd thicket]

Still the 16gb variant should not be 1600, it should be closer to 1200 if not that exactly

[ashen spindle]

well you cant really put the eur tanking on nvidia...

[shrewd thicket]

Wasn't my fault either

If Jenson sells his kitchen appliances he can use that money to donate a 4090 or two to me

Sounds like a plan

[stark bobcat]

I blame putin

[magic crypt]

We all do

[astral haven]

Lmao I was banned from ief for saying that dlss doesn't actually increase image quality

Is exactly what I said lel

🔨 banned

[stark bobcat]

what is ief?

[astral haven]

Crinacle discord

They have a few hobby chats

[stark bobcat]

ah in ear fidelity ic

are u sure that is what got u banned?

[astral haven]

100%

[empty wren]

How does that even relate to earbuds

[astral haven]

It was the tech and games hobby chat

[empty wren]

Ah I see

[astral haven]

I rarely if ever talked outside of that and the photography chats

[mild dome]

Jensen is a mod on chat obv

[astral haven]

Tbh I doubt even Jensen would say something that legally binding lmao

Jensen is more of the look at these carefully p-hacked graphs kind

[astral haven]

macro usb

[empty wren]

I mean I guess someone breaks their a ports often this could help

Though speaking of it would be nice to have more USB c ports on desktop motherboards would also mean more high speed usb ports

[astral haven]

yup
gpus

[vivid vine]

Shit is a literal joke, is that a gpu or a mini fridge

wtffff

[reef patrol]

We don't like zombies on our lawn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N1_0SUGlDQ

[shadow minnow]

If I didn’t get engraving they would probably be here earlier, but because of it they are shipping from China

[fair gull]

why even engrave them

most useless feature apple offers

[shrewd thicket]

Already had my eyes on the strix model before they showed it off, it looks sick

[shrewd thicket]

So u can lose resell value ;)

[shadow minnow]

To have them not just like any other AirPods
And since I can only get this in UK
So normally wouldn’t be able to

[vivid vine]

People buy used ear buds 🤮

Guess some are just desperate but sheshh that is gross

[reef patrol]

It's ear wax not cum. Jeez.

Clean it up and stop being silly 😄

[vivid vine]

Wonder how thick they are

[fair gull]

i mean even if its cum

clean it up and done

[reef patrol]

Not very - They aren't for cooling but for getting the heat into the coolant fast and efficient and onto the radiators later in the loop.

[shadow minnow]

Most water blocks could be just one slot

Just often need second slot for more ports on the card

[reef patrol]

Mhmm.

[shadow minnow]

I wonder when will gigabyte announce their water blocked cards

Do we get DP 2.0 on 40 series?

[vivid vine]

I hope so, we don't need 3 slot waterblocks, they weight enough already

[reef patrol]

3080 for ref. It's noticeably thinner than the two slots the IO need.

[vivid vine]

Is it just me or does that one look super fat?

[shadow minnow]

It seems like it

because it’s short

[reef patrol]

Plexi is hella cheap. So you can make it a lot thicker without paying a lot and it can keep cards more secure if the rest of your design is kind of shit.

[vivid vine]

That is very true

Back doesn't look to shabby

I will just be getting a 30 series once these drop anyways just nice to see regular size things compared to stock 40 series

@reef patrol yea mine is the same way because ROG decided to stick 1 HDMI port not with the rest so its technically a 2 slotter

We got the same color way going on though Duck !!!

[reef patrol]

[shrewd thicket]

I don't think more water vertically would help much but idk

[shrewd thicket]

There is dp2.0?

[shadow minnow]

😦

[shrewd thicket]

But dp2.0 exists?

[shadow minnow]

Yes

For a while now

[shrewd thicket]

Didn't know

[shadow minnow]

Even during 30 series launch spec was out

Sad

[shrewd thicket]

Hdmi 2.1 is nice

[shadow minnow]

DP 2.0 could give us no compression 4k240 10bpc

[shrewd thicket]

I'm gonna definitely hook up my PC to my S95B so HDMI 2.1 is necessary

[shadow minnow]

Or well the highest version of it

I wonder if gigabyte will still offer 3 HDMIs

Though last year one of them was only 2.0

I do need two HDMI 2.1s

2 times the performance - underwhelming

It is tbf

But it runs very high perf even on 350

I wonder if the 850w PSU people told me is enough will actually be enough too, for OC and watercooling

Eh the performance per TDP is still way better

Even considering the price

No DP 2.0 is sad

Compared to 20 series from 10 jump it’s way better

Neither as apple silicones

Thats because it’s gonna be same as last year

M1 ultra is kinda like a chiplet

[ashen spindle]

apple silicon is not even remotely relevant so why do you bring it up for this

[shadow minnow]

Well talking about first company

[ashen spindle]

intel did that with 4th gen cpu already, so no not apple

[shadow minnow]

Hmm

Probably depends on how good did the engineers manage to get the performance to be

[shrewd thicket]

Idc how good amd price to performance is. Nvidia's software features are too good to miss out on for me

But would be great if AMD could pressure the market

I find myself using them enough to justify shelling out for one

[shadow minnow]

I doubt and will be able to beat nvidia or come close to RT performance but tbf not many people care

[ashen spindle]

I feel like this is once again something you say without realizing amd has basically all that nvidia offers now too

what is missing that you use on AMDs side

dlss3 doesnt count since amd obviously hasnt introduced new stuff yet

[shrewd thicket]

Literally anything GFE AMD may have an alternative for but not as good..

[ashen spindle]

name some examples

[shrewd thicket]

Literally all ai features...

[ashen spindle]

like what

[shrewd thicket]

I use nvenc, especially for things like instant replay

I have a million instant replay clips 💀

[ashen spindle]

ok you can do the same on amd

[shrewd thicket]

No, just another thing

[ashen spindle]

not with nvenc obviously but with their version

[shrewd thicket]

Yeah but definitely not at this quality without taking more of a performance hit

[ashen spindle]

no at same quality

you are not taking a bigger performance hit either

amds codec is better than nvenc at some settings, only at lower bitrate for streaming it had some issues but is almost the same now

that's hardware blocks, that's not really software

so what is AMD missing that you use on nvidias software?

[thick elk]

Nvidia has been slowly transitioning away from board partners, they probably expect things like this to happen.

They flat out don't announce the price, it's up to the board partners to guesstimate it.

Also the price does not mean margin, so the best course of action is to build something that fits the requirements and hope things work out.

[magic crypt]

At least this time there shouldn't be a miner price surge........ ........ ......

[thick elk]

It also would not surprise me if amd is in the same boat here, prices can change up to the last moment.

[ashen spindle]

oh definitely

just depends how its handled

if you drop a price by X but also give a rebate of X to partners that already bought chips for release that's almost no issue

if you tell them a price ceiling and dont give a full rebate its less likely to be fine

[thick elk]

I have seen fairly little insight on how AMD does things, but I hear a lot less complaints from that side.

[vivid vine]

They play nice now but will be savages just like Nvidia once they become the dominant player in the market

If past history in tech is anything to go by, they all pull the Anakin

[ashen spindle]

they wont give out stuff for free but they could very well decide its worth it more to keep AiBs better for their side to have more mindshare or something

[thick elk]

Oh they are definitely not our friends, however not all large companies turn out like Nvidia.
Intel has been mostly a lot more civil for example.

[ashen spindle]

the top dog will always aim for profits but they dont all do it the same way

[vivid vine]

Intel has been more civil because AMD is scaring them

I just go after whatever I personally want, never understood people who champion certain companies and rag on others. I could care less because they all just want one thing, profit

[ashen spindle]

oh definitely

[thick elk]

Still I don't see either amd or intel getting a reputation of being a complete pain to work with.
Throwing parners under the bus. building tech that is explicitly aimed at making it has hard as possible to compete.
There is a reason both microsoft and sony only used a nvidia gpu once in their consoles

We will have to see how nintendo will follow up their switch.

[magic crypt]

And the steam deck is AMD

[ashen spindle]

steam deck had no other option

had to be x86 so intel or amd

and intel doesnt have a fitting product

[vivid vine]

Guess its just a waiting game now to see how it all plays out

Side note, I am really interested to see how Fab 21 will effect the global chip market

[ashen spindle]

well it wont start till 2024 lmfao

[vivid vine]

Yea, the building progress is crazy though considering the delays in construction here state side

Guess you have TSMC's budget and US government funding it helps speed that process up

well aleast the card most likely has no damage, during the live stream Asus had yesterday the guy stated its 95% metal

Technically its a 4070

They are just pulling wool over people's eyes

[ashen spindle]

yeah its a 70 tier renamed

so same as usual, 70 class matches last gen flagship

yes

thats why they renamed it

[vivid vine]

Lol who knows

[ashen spindle]

different die even

so we might see some cursed 4080 14gb or so that is in between them later on

or 4080ti12gb that is almost a 4080 16gb non ti

[vivid vine]

Lol Nvidia is going to profit off all these new PC gamers that only want a 4080 to flex

People that don't get down to the nitty gritty

[ashen spindle]

turns out releasing a 3090ti at 2 grand is smart to then pretend you can get same performance for just 900

[shadow minnow]

Isn’t it supposed to be more

[ashen spindle]

what is

[dim jackal]

waiting for 4070

or good price on 80

[vivid vine]

At that point you might as well just get a 3080/ti

Once you see a decent priced one, I doubt we will see 4070 for anything less than $500-600

[dim jackal]

the wave of mining gpu starting to hit my country

6600xt for 140$, 6600 120$, 3060 180$, 3060ti 200-220$
3080 500-600$

and for some reason new 3080 in my country go up on price

[vivid vine]

Yea once they drop that 3080 like another $100 scoop that up

[dim jackal]

new 3080 now 700-800$

wdf

i got my 3070 for 469$ few month ago

pain

[shadow minnow]

4080 perf compared to 90ti

[ashen spindle]

which one

the 12gb is a 4070 basically

[dim jackal]

i really like to get 4070 or 70ti reasonably power consumption

I have itx build so 80 90 a no go for me

[vivid vine]

Those might be out of the question too

[dim jackal]

I love itx build

every time my gf got mad , case + key mouse+ and 14inch portable 2k 144hz monitor. chilling in my garage for the rest of the night

I want to mod wooting case to Tofu60% aluminum, for minimalist setup

anyone have pictures? of wooting and tofu60?

[vivid vine]

@dim jackal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glQNEbh79xg

That is the new RT tho

Not the current

[ashen spindle]

or it just means its 4k RT max which nobody would use anyway

they also did add an extra taxing RT version to CP77 so was likely that and not what youd normally use

[vivid vine]

Yea the "New RT Overdrive" whatever the hell that means

@dim jackal but that vid towards the end he swaps it into a Tofu

[stark bobcat]

Oh no

[tropic nacelle]

Zen 2+ with RDNA2 doesn't sound bad for the low end.

You can already get lots of 5600+ series for less than £500 though so I wonder just how much cheaper it will end up.

Solid low end budget for light usage, would be nice if this made it into chromebooks

[stark bobcat]

I just don't like the naming

Slowly amd is making their naming scheme less legible

[tropic nacelle]

Oh definitely agreed, the new naming scheme is bonkers.

It's designed purely for OEMs to easily sell a rebrand as they need their yearly refreshes (even if the underlying product is the same)

It confuses the consumer unnecessarily and feels misleading, only negative for consumer.

I much preferred their current naming convention

[ashen spindle]

it exactly follows their naming they announced at the zen4 launch event

[tropic nacelle]

Yep, still terrible though 🙂

[ashen spindle]

yeah but if they can stick to it at least that's something

[tropic nacelle]

I mean sure it is something but their previous naming scheme made more sense anyway, now it's a bigger number does not mean better or newer!

Having the first number just be the year of release makes it all the more confusing though.

[thick elk]

I personally think it's not that bad as long as the performance stack correctly ie not releasing a ryzen 3 that is faster than the 7520U

[stark bobcat]

We will see how it turns put

[tropic nacelle]

In that example though it's entirely possible they release a 8510U and to an end user that surely looks better than 7520u no?

But it's a Zen 1 Vs Zen 2 architecture which makes the comparison really difficult.

Guess we will see but it seemed done purely for OEMs of laptops so they can say hey look we now have models with 8520u when it's identical to the 7520u, only a new year branding.

[dim jackal]

thank you

[thick elk]

Sure but in your example the 8510u one would be a new laptop with possible other improvements outside the cpu.
I will grant you this is primarily for oems and not perfect but I don't think it's too bad.
At the less well versed side you have people looking oh ryzen 7, 5 and so forth and on the other side you have people who can read the model numbers.
But I think I have said enough about it, its not ideal but it's also not terrible.

[ashen spindle]

https://videocardz.com/newz/this-geforce-rtx-4090-costs-only-56-dollars-but-it-is-made-out-of-plastic-bricks

[shadow minnow]

Amazing

[fair gull]

just sad for 60bucks its kinda small overall

[wheat plume]

😍 its beautiful

[dim jackal]

itx pc ?

[wheat plume]

Thelio by System76 :D

They are so expensive though ;'-;

and its got RTX cards

[ashen spindle]

all nvidia cards for the last 3 generations have been rtx

[fair gull]

2

20 and 30series

unless theres a third gen i missed

or we count prosumer cards aswell

[ashen spindle]

im counting the 40 series as released now

[fair gull]

hm.....

idk bout that

[ashen spindle]

ok rtx cards means something from within the last >4 years timespan then

[fair gull]

that im happy with

[stark bobcat]

Rtx card in what I assume is a Linux system

Lol

[wheat plume]

you dont get straps with the 800 dollar Apple Watch...

got to buy them separately .-.

[dim jackal]

love itx

[wheat plume]

Image buying the watch and not knowing it doesnt come with the thing that fucking attaches it to your wrist and then not being able to use the watch until you pay for them and wait up to a week or two for delivery

[vagrant pagoda]

That's fucked up, every watch I know comes with a strap

Why not just have you pick one when you order?

[wheat plume]

wait, they do come with it?

they didnt seem to be in the box when he unboxed it in this video though

ok it comes with them in a separate box??

im dumb

[tropic nacelle]

Makes sense, cheaper to have watches in a single box one SKU then bands are separate boxes so can easily sell different band with it.

[wheat plume]

Apple made the iPhone 14 easy to repair....

Is this a parallel universe??!!!

[reef patrol]

It's hard to retroactively make existing models easy to repair.

It is a lot easier to design future products with it in mind.

[wheat plume]

im shocked they are making it easy to repair though

at least for screen and battery replacements

assuming that they dont software lock the parts

[misty saffron]

interesting that they’ve only redesigned the 14 but not 14 pro

[vagrant pagoda]

Lol

This is exactly what they will do

Make it "easier" to repair to get politicians off them, but don't make it cheaper.

[wheat plume]

you can do it
but the phone will refuse to work

If Apple make a car, they going to lock you out from using the car if you replace the damn screen wiper, I bet you

And then be like "Well, you said you wanted it replace, and it is, so no problem right!"

[tropic nacelle]

It's in apples interest to have a repair system setup as you keep buying their products/service then.

Simple business logic, politicians finally putting pressure on them to make it repairable and they see their avenue for more profits under attack so they proactively move to do a bit to make them back off.

There is still loads on apple DIY repair that is ridiculously expensive and requires replacing more components than necessary so you end up getting apple to do it for less.

The funny thing is this stupid move to glass backs MAKES it expensive. They pulled the wool over everyone's eyes and normalised these prices so when you "only" have to pay £100 to get it replaced it seems great.

Remember the good old days of replaceable batteries and plastic backs that don't break or cost £5 if the dog chewed it

[misty saffron]

a phone with a plastic back?

no thanks

[stark bobcat]

plastic go brr

I prefer pastic phones tbh

[thick elk]

Same, plastic just has excellent characteristics for the job

does not block signals, does not shatter, does not feel cold, does not have to be slippery, is cheap, does not look that bad.

[fair gull]

those dang plastic backs breaking after a fall

[misty saffron]

unpopular opinion

don’t drop your phone

✅

[thick elk]

Still I find glass and metal stupid, obvious drawbacks for a small esthetic improvement

[stark bobcat]

no glass is for wireless charging which I personally think is stupid

[thick elk]

Granted aesthetics is very low on my list of priorities.

[fair gull]

unpopular opinion, dont die

[thick elk]

Plastic works just fine with wireless charging

[misty saffron]

i haven’t dropped my phone once in 3 years

except for when i’m at home and drop it from my sofa or some shit

[stark bobcat]

yes sure it does but manufacturers think plastic is only for cheap phones -.-

[tropic nacelle]

I've dropped my phone many times, never cracked a plastic backed phone though.

It's also lighter and can be thinner so you could technically put a bigger battery in for no noticeable change.

[stark bobcat]

yeah I am sad there are not more plastic phones

[thick elk]

I tend to buy lower end phones now anyways, simply because that's the only way to reliably get a micro sd and good custom rom support.

[tropic nacelle]

Also stupid how it's made cases a necessity, why do they even bother? It serves no purpose when you slap a massive case on it covering this "premium glass back".

I love using phones without cases, hate them with as they are too big personally. I only chuck a case on mine if I know I'm out for heavy drinking just incase haha

[thick elk]

My poco x3 pro will still last me a couple of years and I will see after.

[vagrant pagoda]

Like some car manufacturers

[wheat plume]

what??

[vagrant pagoda]

I bought a Chinese rugged phone

It's a brick

[thick elk]

I never use a case on my phone, only a sleeve which protects it against the sand and stuff in my pocket.

[vagrant pagoda]

I've dropped it 10+ ft no issue

[thick elk]

Also never had a phone with a glass back

[vagrant pagoda]

Loads of cars can't be repaired without software

You can't just replace modules/parts

[stark bobcat]

I use a case + plastic phone cuz I am sometimes stupid

[wheat plume]

but you can do wiper replacements and battery replacements without software

[vagrant pagoda]

And only Toyota actually sells the software first party

[vagrant pagoda]

For now.

[stark bobcat]

like one time I walked through my apartment at night not turning on lights cuz I wanted to stay sleepy and manged to drop my phone

[vagrant pagoda]

You can't replace some windshields without computers

[wheat plume]

...

bruh

i hate this world

the wiper on my car took all of 10 seconds to replace

easy AF

[vagrant pagoda]

Even in my f150 it cost me $250 bucks to have to tell the computer I installed the brake controller panel.

[wheat plume]

assuming you source one that fits

🤦‍♀️

ffs

[vagrant pagoda]

And I had tow package

[wheat plume]

maybe its good I dont have a modern car

[vagrant pagoda]

Just not the physical control

Popped out a plug panel

Connector was right there

Plugged it in and snapped in the controls

Did nothing

Now Toyota just straight up sells you the software subscription and cable

Which also comes with ALL the dealer manuals and info

[wheat plume]

it sort of makes sense for brakes, cause the car really needs to know they are there and function
but not shit like a wiper

[vagrant pagoda]

You can even pull up service bulletins and recalls by vin

[vagrant pagoda]

We're talking about a small slider with two buttons

It did not add anything to the brake system it just gave you physical controls

[wheat plume]

o...

wow

[vagrant pagoda]

Without that you have to go through the gauge cluster info system to change settings

Truck had the trailer brake upgrade for factory

And as far as I can tell there is no public version of that software that you can buy

Even if you buy a pirated version if you ever take the truck to a dealer it will undo the changes you made because their computer system will not have it on file

[ashen spindle]

https://videocardz.com/newz/custom-geforce-rtx-4090-graphics-cards-now-listed-in-europe-from-1900-eur-cheaper-than-nvidia-msrp it "cheaper" what a steal

[wheat plume]

Gnome getting even more touch friendly

bluetooth toggle is pretty useless, it doesnt show when BT is off so you need to dig into settings anyway to enable it

[ashen spindle]

https://twitter.com/Patrick1Kennedy/status/1572635007059103746

Patrick J Kennedy (@Patrick1Kennedy)

NVIDIA's Data Center GPU naming folks: "People say we are not creative enough with our naming."
NVIDIA's Creative Professional GPU naming folks: "Hold our beers..."
@NVIDIA @NVIDIADC @NVIDIAGTC

Twitter · Sep 21, 2022, 5:12 PM

[vivid vine]

https://9to5toys.com/2022/09/21/logitech-reveals-new-blue-sona-xlr-microphone-alongside-litra-beam-keylight/

[wheat plume]

This laptop puts out less warmth than the soul of an Nvidia exec
DawidDoesTechStuff - 2022

[ashen spindle]

https://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/dominic-moass/rtx-4080-12gb-to-be-aib-only-no-founders-edition-model/

so the real price for the 4070 is going to be even higher than 900usd since no AiB is gonna hit the msrp

[magic crypt]

Hhmmmm can't get the screen saver to work on windows 11 🤔

Something must be overriding my system settings

Any ideas?

[sharp badger]

You've probably checked screensaver settings, sleep settings & such?

Could potentially be some Peripherals

[magic crypt]

Was thinking my mouse but powered it off and nothing

Seems like it's a bit of an issue with windows 11

Seen one suggestion for Adobe creative cloud

[sharp badger]

Ok, maybe 🤔

Not using any screensaver with my W11 though so haven't noticed 😅

Tried the 3D Text screen saver just now and it worked for me 👀

[magic crypt]

It was adobe ffs

[sharp badger]

Nice that it was solved that easy! 😀 👍

[astral haven]

That's clickbait holy crap

Anyone who thinks that Nvidia will price their products anywhere but the point they think will extract the maximum profit is deluded
If the market demands cheaper GPUs, they will get cheaper...

[pulsar canopy]

Ngl if you bought a high end 3000 series, the 4000 is just not worth the upgrade at all.

Screw 4000, I’m probably gonna wait for 5000 to upgrade see significant differences compared to my 3080.

[astral haven]

2x is alot...

[ashen spindle]

yeah really depends, for some the 3090 wasnt enough when it launched so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pulsar canopy]

4090 right?

[astral haven]

Yup
My monitor is 240 and most games are in the 70-90 range...

[pulsar canopy]

But has there been native res benchmarks against 3000 series?

[astral haven]

Nope

[pulsar canopy]

But still, probs not worth it either way. 2.2x more than a 3080 and that’s not including new psu.

Native res, I doubt we’ll see the 2x performance diff.

[ashen spindle]

1.8x is still massive

[pulsar canopy]

But is it worth the 2x you’re gonna pay if you got a 3080?

[ashen spindle]

well if you want 1.8x performance yes

[pulsar canopy]

• like $100-$200 more for new psu

[ashen spindle]

also a high chance you have a good enough psu if you went with 90/90ti

[wheat plume]

whys it got a yellow border around the screen?

and no, its not the game

[final flame]

certain screen recording methods can cause that

it's a windows security feature

[wheat plume]

oo....

[empty wren]

Damn

[vivid vine]

If anybody was in the market for a cheap desk mic and macro pad

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Bundles/Streamer-Bundles/Game-Changing-Audio-And-Control/p/bundle-elgato-anniversary-2022

$99 for both, not to bad imo

[wheat plume]

Stream Deck and Mic.... Damn not bad

Must see if they sell in other regions

[vivid vine]

What I said.. I paid like a dam $140 for my Deck alone

[wheat plume]

Damn it.... They only ship to USA

[vivid vine]

😭 my bad then, just saw it posted in PCMR did not realize its US only

That is really lame

[wheat plume]

Wait

I was wondering how they are able to bundle a stream deck

Took me too long to remember Corsair own Elgato

[vivid vine]

The deck got tons better once they did, the api became open source and stuff started rolling out left and right

When I first got it, it was very limited now there is so much stuff. BarRaider guys make all types of random stuff

[wheat plume]

Can someone buy it and ship it to me?
I'll pay for the shipping costs

Cause the mic on it's own is €180

:'(

[magic crypt]

That's nothing 🤪

[wheat plume]

What stream deck is that?

I can't find that one on it's own

The most similar looking one is the mk 2
But that's angled more

With a different chassis

[vivid vine]

Its most likely the original one like I have

Do not think its the newer one with a detachable cable and better stand

[wheat plume]

O

[vivid vine]

Most likely comes with a stand like this in the box and the cable comes right out the top

[wheat plume]

Idk what I'd use one for...
I wouldn't be able to spend the time to set up each button to an action

I think I'd just assign them anytime I think something would be useful to me

[vivid vine]

Literally what I did as time went on, I only had like 4-6 buttons I think then just added more as I came across stuff

[wheat plume]

Yep xd

[vivid vine]

Use it alot for sound clips in games

Always gets people to laugh a little during pvp

[wheat plume]

Oh xd

[vivid vine]

Have like 6 pages of them

[wheat plume]

Oh no :')

[vocal cipher]

Anybody has any comment on ¨ALIENWARE 27 GAMING-MONITOR – AW2721D¨ - 27'' 1440p 240hz monitor... I don't know if ryzen 3700x + RTX 3080 can fully make use of it though...

it does, true, overwatch - apex my main games

apex is a bit troublesome

not an efficient engine I believe

to be killed more hd

[ashen spindle]

apex has an engine limit of 300fps iirc

but doesnt matter for 240 obviously

[vocal cipher]

I have asus 1080p 24'' 280hz monitor, and the only problem is I wouldn't use the monitor anything other than fps gaming...

1080p is just pfft

[ashen spindle]

and its a gsync screen so even if you drop below it you still have a smooth experience

[vocal cipher]

I play like a noob but buy like a pro

[ashen spindle]

that's just your opinion which is not backed by majority of people or science

[chrome estuary]

I agree with vexxed

[vocal cipher]

feels like what ever message sent here will eventually turn into a debate between vexxed and others... Lanah has their own topics though

[chrome estuary]

I own a 144hz monitor and to me it's really nothing special. As long as my games run at 60, I'm happy with them since it's a smooth and playable experience

[vocal cipher]

I got lazy after one name... 😄

it's the same with wooting keebs yet here we are

I think 1440p makes more sense in the means of productivity

1080p monitor is rubbish for second monitor

38'' + 24'' 1080p - 1080p is only used for gaming

[ashen spindle]

take tim from hardwareunboxed and he recently stated since using a good 360hz screen it takes him a while to get used to just 240hz when he uses one for testing

[vocal cipher]

tbf, 38'' is enough for me

[ashen spindle]

obviously its less than than 60 to 144, but its quite easily noticeable for people

[vocal cipher]

I for one, don't notice it that much, I notice the clarity difference more

but not the fake ULMB etc. stuff

if you have only 1080p 240hz monitor, that's not wise at all

that can only be second monitor

or instead get a 144hz 1440p

[chrome estuary]

27" 1080p (want smaller), 27" 1440p144, 28" 4k

[vocal cipher]

1080p 27'' is not usefull for me, that's why I went with 24'' for 240hz

before or right now?

the new one seems to be in sale for 560, but I wouldn't buy it

true, but I didn't mean that, it's not good in this age if you are not only using it for gaming.

VA TN panels mostly, I wouldn't go anything other than IPS as they hurt my eyes

[ashen spindle]

oled masterrace

low cost VA is horrific

only the expensive samsung va is useable

[vocal cipher]

tell that to BENQ

[ashen spindle]

hell no, just use TN at that price then

[vocal cipher]

hello

come on, now my message seemed weird

[ashen spindle]

[magic crypt]

hello?

[ashen spindle]

can you tell steve is a fan of the model names for the cards xD

dear god

[shadow minnow]

They should have just called 16gb 4080 4080 ti

[ashen spindle]

no

the 12gb should have been teh 4070

[shadow minnow]

Well pricing wise 4080 and 4080 ti naming makes sense

[ashen spindle]

so you want to mek the branding even more anti consumer lmfao

the 16gb is not using the full die so if you call it ti now, what do you call the upgrade they will have at some point

4080 super ti?

if both were 4080 silicon and one had more cuda, yes then your suggestion would make sense

but its not the case

[fair gull]

pls anyone sponsor me a 4080ti from zotac

[ashen spindle]

get calder to steal one in taiwan

[fair gull]

@hexed gyro steal me a 4080ti from zotac in taiwan thanks 😗

[shadow minnow]

One for me too pls, aorus waterforce wb

[mild dome]

Probably named them as such to justify putting the price on the 4070 up higher

[ashen spindle]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-9-7950x-gets-overclocked-to-7-2ghz-with-one-core-6-5-ghz-all-core-thanks-to-ln2-cooling

[crimson wigeon]

Oh baby yes give me them hertz

[ashen spindle]

anything using the word "obliterate" is not a source that is relevant enough to pay attention to

no

no

I just apply logic and known things to speculations

if amd would release a gpu that beats the 4090 at a price of just 1k$ the shareholders would probably want to instantly fire whoever made that decision

tf do you mean compelling value, if its a better product you dont need to price it at almost half the cost

and DIY gpu market is not the biggest seller, they need to get laptop and oems for real money

they need better margins and they also have increased costs just like nvidia has

[pale sigil]

They'll still sell lol

[ashen spindle]

again, if your product is better you dont need to also undercut it by a massive ammount

the BOM alone is much higher on rdna3 vs rdna2

instead of a chip you have a chip on more expensive 5nm, smaller chips+ packaging

[stark bobcat]

I just want amd to be more efficient

and finallz be able to emulate cuda

cuda is so good

[ashen spindle]

false

its been used multiple times here

[stark bobcat]

bro u have heard it multiple times already

GPU SUPPORT STICK LMFAO

[ashen spindle]

in what fantasy world do you think that amd suddenly outpaces nvidia by 4x

[stark bobcat]

honestly just wait until the end of the generation like now to buy best value for money cards

I think I wont need a new card for the next 2 generations unless the 1070ti in my secondary pc dies on me

[tropic nacelle]

At best you can hope AMD undercuts them by 20% with a faster card.

Back with the 290x Vs 780 it came out swinging with a card that was significantly faster in most games and faster in compute while also being more than 20% cheaper than Nvidia card ($549 Vs $699).

Unfortunately these days AMD is selling all they make, they aren't likely to be undercutting significantly because shareholders will kick off.

They would only be undercutting by massive amounts if they aren't selling and need to sell more units but that's not the case these days as AMD mostly maxes out their wafer allocation.

They should have more capacity this time due to moving to a new node which won't be shared by custom SoC like consoles so maybe they will be a little more aggressive.

I suspect AMD will heavily win the rasterization crown this time round (they already did a little last time) but will slot in-between ampre and Ada with regards to raytracing performance.

Still the prices will likely be within 10% of Nvidia as why would they sell for less if it still sells its bad business (unfortunately for consumers!)

It will be really interesting when Intel fully releases arc and probably their next generation launch because arc will only really compete in the mid range.

Intel is the only one who would be sensible to undercut by a lot (and can afford to) as they have zero good reputation in the GPU space and can justify the hit to collect market share over profit early on .

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/Y_XODArOWlc

Unique case...to say the least... xd

very wobbly...

[tropic nacelle]

"special" is how I would describe it.

May as well put it in an open bench!

Dust is a real killer for performance this is why you use closed cases with dust filters, it makes life easier.

[wheat plume]

the dust filter in my case doesnt do a great job

especially underneath in the PSU shroud

I sure would love a GTX 3090

[pale sigil]

I mean gtx or rtx

Just naming shite

Still the same thing let's be honest

[wheat plume]

xd

[vocal cipher]

if RTX is Ray Tracing, what is GTX is tracing?

[ashen spindle]

Graphic tracing aka stealing art

[pale sigil]

Because it's still very common?

I mean the 1060 is still the most used

1050 is high up on usage in steam at least

[tropic nacelle]

I mean it was a solid card at the time and don't forget LOTS of internet cafés are on steam survey so it impacts it

[vocal cipher]

because they can say up to 90% more fps with that

[ashen spindle]

its because the chart is from AMD directly so its a comparison that makes some sense in maybe some way to always make their card look better

[crimson wigeon]

B-but RTX

[tropic nacelle]

Of course cherry picked (as they all do) but there isn't a lower 3000 series card so it actually is a kinda reasonable comparison

It is a bit pointless to say though, cuts to MSRP seem reasonable though and may help to sell the AMD cards before RDNA3 is out.

$250

[astral haven]

the 6g was available for 200 at some point

i know because i had several friends buy then

its not because the 470 was available frequently for 130

[gusty kiln]

Budget = used now

[astral haven]

budget doesnt exist new

that entire section of the market was wiped off the map

[tropic nacelle]

This is where MSRP is the only "real" comparison you can make on launches or historic value.

But yes the rx480 or 580 were much better value as they sold for so little, Polaris was a great cheap chip.

[gusty kiln]

For AMD wonder if budget gpu gets regulated to APUs

[astral haven]

hopefully their apus will improve alot

[gusty kiln]

Yeah

[astral haven]

apu on all skus is an improvement

[gusty kiln]

Fat rdna chiplet next to a ryzen one

[astral haven]

heck yea

[ashen spindle]

APUs will improve but never reach to replace anything above entry/start of midrange

[gusty kiln]

Yeah

[astral haven]

im not so sure about that tbh

[gusty kiln]

They have the steam deck as well for the market r&d reason

[astral haven]

we already had vega m gh

[gusty kiln]

Maybe in 2035

[ashen spindle]

Just not happening while it’s limited to space and heat limit on a cpu, ram bandwidth limits etc.

[gusty kiln]

[tropic nacelle]

Unfortunately most of the low end died a few years ago now, there is no reasonable low end as everything has just spiraled out of control.

I remember buying a BFG 8800GTS for like £180 and that was the second top tier card or even the 7950 for £205.

Now a second top tier card is £1200!

[ashen spindle]

Well yeah in the future compared to now sure but not compared to current gen

[astral haven]

3d, process improvement, and hbm are the fixes for each of those problems

[ashen spindle]

Yeah with prices that make it cost more than entry gpu lmfao

[gusty kiln]

Man AMD pushed hbm way to soon for consumer cards

[stark bobcat]

I'd say the rx570 was great for low end or at least my definition of low end

[ashen spindle]

Hbm and 3d ain’t free

[astral haven]

sure
but a cpu that includes hbm as l4 would be faaaaast

so you could get a highish end cpu and a midrange gpu for the price of a highish end cpu

[tropic nacelle]

Vega was surprisingly efficient when it wasn't being clocked to the edge of its life.

HBM would be the best solution for APU acceleration as the memory is the issue mostly.

[ashen spindle]

Yeah but any improvement in anything else like process node also applies to current gpus so you’re just not catching up there ever

[astral haven]

and tbh hbm or literally just more cache

[astral haven]

thats only a heat problem

heat problems are fixable...

[ashen spindle]

Not at prices that make sense

[astral haven]

amd is charging out the ass for their chiplet tech

[astral haven]

they can do aloooooooooooot fancier thanks to how cheap chipleting is

[gusty kiln]

Wonder if consoles will push APUs to become more beefy

I can see microsoft and sony wanting a nice slim/ compact system in the future

[ashen spindle]

Chiplet tech doesn’t make cooling cheaper, nano fluids or whatever you want to cool 3D and all won’t make sense on entry chip levels

[astral haven]

2gb or 4gb of hbm3 as l4 and using part of system ram as the main vram would allow that to happen

[astral haven]

no it does
you just spread out the dies on the substrate

you then need a cooler capable of drawing heat from more surface area but thats a fixable problem

[gusty kiln]

Wouldn't different z height make things more complicated

[astral haven]

z height is a problem with 3d and is very well characterized

[ashen spindle]

Not convinced you can do all that in an APU without eclipsing the cost that a better gpu can provide

Doable and all yes but no point of you can’t compete in prices

[astral haven]

the point is you buff the heck out of the imc, and so you are dealing with a super good cpu

[gusty kiln]

It makes sense for things like a steam deck

[astral haven]

vega m gh didnt share the imc

[tropic nacelle]

A discrete GPU setup will generally always be faster, it's definitely possible to push it to be close to the mid/low high end tier GPUs with a complete stack but AMD wouldn't do it as it hurts discrete sales and is significantly harder to cool overall

[astral haven]

if the cpu in vega m could access the hbm as l4 it would have been a monster

look at the 5775c
l4 shared with the igp
matching zen 3 cpu perf 6? years earlier

imagine a faster l4

and hbm1 was faster than the edram (it just required a different imc)

[gusty kiln]

Lol logitech handheld uses a snapdragon 720G, I thought it would be an Intel with iris graphics

[tropic nacelle]

Why would you expect that? AMD apu would be faster so if they were putting a big CPU in they would have used that.

It's a low cost device but I'm surprised it uses that low of a Snapdragon

[astral haven]

the intel system would be cheaper since intel would help make it

[gusty kiln]

Idk, most of the other Chinese handheld use Intel

[astral haven]

cheaper for logitech

[gusty kiln]

Very few use amd

[astral haven]

not cheaper for the user nescessarily

[gusty kiln]

Seems like a doa product tbh

[tropic nacelle]

Ah didn't realise Intel provided a service like that for integration, I assumed it would just be like they do with laptops.

[astral haven]

It is the same thing they do for laptops

[ashen spindle]

dont almost all of Aya neos handhelds use amd chips and they seem like a large chinese option?

[astral haven]

Yea they are basically the only ones

[vagrant pagoda]

Except for all of the steam deck knock offs

They all use amd

[astral haven]

Most of which use Intel...

[gusty kiln]

Amd started gaining popularity, but it was mostly intel

[astral haven]

There is aya and like two others who have amd
And only aya is on current gen

[vagrant pagoda]

The aya, gdp has amd option, onexolayer, and I forget the other one

[stark bobcat]

Doesn't gpd also use amd now?

Ye

[vagrant pagoda]

The win 3 has both options

AMD is lower power

Intel option is higher tdp/performance

And dosent put and meaningful gains in the higher u skus

GPU wise

4700u to 4800u is one more cu with higher clock

And 4900u is same cus

So the issue is you can't get anymore performance out of the power

Especially with something that is CPU heavy

[ashen spindle]

probably not high demand from laptop makers for more yet so they had no incentive to add a stronger part for low volume customers like a gpd

[vagrant pagoda]

The steam deck is 4c 8cu

So not only are cus better

[ashen spindle]

well valve has a lot more order power than gpd would have, also its van gogh which was likely a MS surface product before that got canned

its not talked about because its literally irrelevant

[astral haven]

Xilinx does everything

Any chip that gets made first gets simulated in fpga

[ashen spindle]

also xilinx is the company that company AMD bought just before the pensando acquisition a while ago

so no, not really a memory company

all the wcctrash text has is that they have some silicon to test in hand now but they already talked about it at the FAD some months ago

hence not relevant info as per usual from that site

[stark bobcat]

Don't they make fpgas?

[vagrant pagoda]

Rdna apus where talked about with 7000 launch on like one side

No specs

Just that the 7000 IGPU won't replace the apu

I think the apu is still connected the same as the old gen

When the IGPU has a slow internal connection

So the apu will have less pcie still

Where the IGPU have full connectivity

[astral haven]

Infinity fabric is a name for a variety of techs

Amd did call that if yes

[ashen spindle]

to the surprise of nobody

just like ada was not "in stock for months" either

[tropic nacelle]

Why would they?

It's being announced November 3rd so I expect release date end of November or early December.

Board partners may start producing them in October but normally it's close to launch and they just sell AMD reference for a month first.

[astral haven]

That would be the number yes

[tropic nacelle]

They do thousands a day but remember different SKUs and different chips

[ashen spindle]

google hard

[wheat plume]

https://tenor.com/btSx4.gif

[tropic nacelle]

Yes, they buy the GPU from Nvidia and then they package that die on PCB etc.

The main requirements are specified by Nvidia and partners can make amendments (I think within reason, it has to meet a spec still).

So they will buy them from Nvidia for say £500 then they sell it for £600 to cover their costs.

It's why EVGA pointed out its bad as they do the FE which means NVIDIA can sell the chips to itself for any price and undercut them easily which is why you saw the 3080FE cheaper than AiB partners

[pale sigil]

@cursive summit can you link the video

[ashen spindle]

the last part isnt bad really

you want it to activate falsely more than it missing a real crash

[pale sigil]

Ngl I didn't know pixels had crash detection

[wheat plume]

Yeh

the Google Safety app

[halcyon moss]

It does right?

Oh.. Misread

[misty saffron]

i'd imagine to get rid of the false positives

maybe you wanted to throw your phone in the dryer

thinking about it, doesn't really sound like a false positive

[ashen spindle]

ok now thats just a meme that doesnt mean anything

and a shit one

[astral haven]

wow its almost as if amd proved with the 290x that huge memory busses are terrible, and that they finally came up with a solution a few years ago and its coming to market now...

Bigboi caches

[ashen spindle]

the thing you yourself talked about a lot today

[vagrant pagoda]

I love my x3d

[true quest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv2t-yv7H2o

[fair gull]

nice gpu

[empty wren]

Where is there a gpu there

[ashen spindle]

next to the cpu

[empty wren]

Thanks

But I still do not see that

[true quest]

did you look inside the case

[empty wren]

What case

Either yall are using lemon juice and a uv flashlight or I do not know

[ashen spindle]

the black housing in the middle of the picture where all the components are inside of

[empty wren]

NASA video?

[ashen spindle]

no in the picture

[final flame]

Cruella you need some Glasses

[empty wren]

Can we be clear on what picture

[ashen spindle]

I mean there is only one

[empty wren]

Not this one right

[timid chasm]

Hey nerds, what are the odds Sony actually gives us an external disc drive for the ps5?

[reef patrol]

I don't see it happening tbh.

They've been fighting hard to force everyone into digital purchases.

[timid chasm]

yeah case you can get good deals on physical games, the dirty fuckers

[reef patrol]

Physical games can be resold, digital can't... technically 😄

[timid chasm]

Disgusting.

[empty wren]

Yah weird playstation store always sells thing for $60

When eventually some games will permanently cost less on disc

[reef patrol]

I remember when EA and friends would put gameplay as DLC in games to force people to pay for it as second hand owners. Mass Effect had... was it multiplayer?

[timid chasm]

I got Elex 2 for under 20 bucks on physical and I don't want to pay $60 for a game I know is subpar but funny to experience

ME3 has mp and it was... gross from what I remember

[thick elk]

I think the external disk drive would push to buy digital copies more, as it would be more tempting to get the driveless model and maybe get the diskdrive somewhere down the line

whereas someone now may think I'll fork the extra just in case.

[timid chasm]

Drive will probably cost $200 anyway

cause reasons

[thick elk]

The trick would be to price the bundle not much lower than the separate drive + diskless, making it less tempting to get the bundle.

[vivid vine]

Bruhh

All these partner cards look terrible

MSI Suprim is the only decent looking 1 imo

[ashen spindle]

meanwhile amd AiBs throwing shade https://twitter.com/EdCrisler/status/1572944725078077443

Edward Crisler (@EdCrisler)

So, all the new Nvidia cards have Vapor Chamber and flowthrough air design. Glad we at @SapphireTech could show our competition how to use these features effectively. The image below shows our using flow through designs for max effect FIVE YEARS AGO.

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Twitter · Sep 22, 2022, 1:43 PM

[vivid vine]

I am really diggin the AIO one from MSI

They actually added a fan to cool the VRM's unlike Colorfuls Neptune

[ashen spindle]

yeah when I first saw that I thought its a blower style cooler lmfao

[vivid vine]

Imagine a blower at 400W 🤣

https://tenor.com/view/melts-ice-die-melt-melting-gif-25120440

[ashen spindle]

oh it works, just use data center fans

[vivid vine]

Ohh god like you said the other day 500dB

Sounds like a race car when you hit it with a decent load

[ashen spindle]

wish you could accurately track customers to what they get if they would have gotten EVGA this time

I feel like sapphire is the amd equivalent in terms of reputation so I wonder if they suck up a lot of customers and get them to team red

[vivid vine]

Everything I have been seeing personally, seems like a mass amount of people are waiting for November, if they don't like what they see they are going 30 Series

Then you have the idiots who will blindly just give Nvidia money

[wheat plume]

.-.

Miles as a service

[empty wren]

Well Europe has public transportation so whatevers for yall

[wheat plume]

Public transportation in Ireland is just taxi or buses that are always late

Unless you live in Dublin
Then you get trains

And trams

[empty wren]

Good enough

Ireland is small anyways

[wheat plume]

Nah
Taxis are mad expensive

Half an hour drive is like 90 euro

[empty wren]

You might be able to ride a bike

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wheat plume]

I can not cycle to the nearest store

That's 20 minutes by car away

[empty wren]

How much time does it take you to get there

[wheat plume]

20 minutes by car

[empty wren]

Nevermind

[wheat plume]

Xd

[empty wren]

I saw you edited it just now

[wheat plume]

Ye ye

We only go once a week

Bring back like 4 bags of groceries

[empty wren]

That is not a lot of bags

[wheat plume]

That doesn't inclide the frozen food bag and the 6 3 litre milk bottles

[empty wren]

Oh

[wheat plume]

Ye

Razer getting impatient

Not even waiting for Windows to finish installing updates

[empty wren]

When razer is worse that what people imagine windoes

[pale sigil]

@shadow minnow I got an iPhone 14 pro

See

[empty wren]

Your wallpaper is offcenter kid

[timid chasm]

Anybody here who has put a shucked drive in their PC ever have issues with it not showing up after a restart but always after a shutdown?

[vivid vine]

EK will make them eventually, some of the smaller fries might not tho

I honestly just want a FE 3080/TI once these bad boys drop

[shadow minnow]

Proud of you

[ashen spindle]

so at what point do we just rename "Digital Foundry" to "nvidia's Digital Foundry"

honestly from how the constant coverage from them is so nvidia biased I think they all have a 3090 stuck in their backside

which sucks because I used to like their content

oh they know exactly what they are doing

first backtrack is that it's RT performance only that is relevant as first backtrack, then in mid range is not relevant because if its not high end RT versions he's playing on console

thats just false

it was always obvious the first implementation would not be the best that's always been the case

RT will be used more and more and at some point replace older light settings

real time just needs that much more power than doing it over long time like for CAD work or such

[pale sigil]

How is this bias

Just sounds logical

Then again now that I think of it

[ashen spindle]

because his reason is that current gen is not even close either

[pale sigil]

They don't use amd at all

[ashen spindle]

and I would say you can go ahead and say you think amd doesnt beat nvidia with rdna, but saying its not even close?

[pale sigil]

I think its more it's amd how could they

[ashen spindle]

and the showcase they do of dlss3 soon for example since they already have a 4090 is not going to be a deep dive just a preview exactly in nvidias guidelines so its impossible for nvidia to look bad

[pale sigil]

Hard to be optimistic for AMD

[ashen spindle]

again,

and now look at the graphs vex posted

[tropic nacelle]

What do you mean?
RDNA1 was reasonably competitive.

RDNA2 is extremely competitive, in rasterization it's actually better.

FSR2.1 is pretty much on par with DLSS now (2.x)

Game wise it's extremely competitive.

Them digital foundry always seems suspect, when they did FSR and DLSS comparisons they would have different AA used and other settings which impacted FSR negatively which is either just poor ignorance on their part of intentional to make Nvidia look better.

They seem very Nvidia based which isn't helpful to anyone.

Claiming AMD cannot compete at all is a complete misrepresentation of facts.

ADA is not actually a massive improvement in rasterization, you can see that because Nvidia bundles DLSS 3.0 in their comparison to make it seem way better so 4x sounds great but half of those are fake frames so it's not 4x in the real world it's more like 1.7x. if that

[fickle ore]

gona buy RDNA 3 in november

hope its gooood

[tropic nacelle]

Gamersnexus, TPU, hardware unboxed are pretty much the few remaining useful reviewers as they don't really care who's product it is and actually do in-depth testing.

[fickle ore]

Yeah. But we do know it's gonna be better than RDNA 2.0

Performance isn't going down 😄

[tropic nacelle]

It would be a mistake to blindly buy, brand loyalty doesn't help anyone.

However if you are preorderibg from a place like Amazon where free returns exists then I fully support that as hardware preorders are the only real preorders worth considering due to finite stock.

Then when it's released you can see reviews and return it if the reviews say it's a bad product

[fickle ore]

;d

[tropic nacelle]

We will when preorders start haha

[ashen spindle]

like amazon? you mean basically every place in the EU

[tropic nacelle]

Yes, just most know of Amazon haha

[ashen spindle]

yeah but free returns is an EU law thing xD

so applies to basically everything

[fickle ore]

I'm buying amd cuz I got amd cpu, obv, to better leverage SAM

no brand loyalty.

[tropic nacelle]

Free returns? I don't think it is? I mean Amazon even do free return shipping.

Do you just mean no restocking fee ? Then yep definitely!

[fickle ore]

No, currently they don't

;_;

[ashen spindle]

no I mean I have 14 days to return without having to even say why and they need to accept it

[tropic nacelle]

It's fine if the product is on par and gives the features you want but it's silly to stick with the underdog and buy an inferior product just because of it.

(Not saying AMD will be inferior) business is business!

[tropic nacelle]

Yeah I think though in Amazon US that is also free returns accepted.

For us in the EU or UK it's always been a thing so that's why I'm fine with hardware preorders even if reviews are NDA till post launch!

Love these consumer based laws, shame stupid Brexit

[fickle ore]

AMD gpu's have the features I want that Nvidia doesn't, simple as that. At the moment. Next gen no idea but proper SAM is sweet

[ashen spindle]

driver overhead probably

[fickle ore]

Tho something like 4070 would be nice for the occasional dlss/reflex

[tropic nacelle]

Working Linux drivers?

[ashen spindle]

wonder if nvidia is fixing the driver overhead or are expecting you to use dlss3 to fix that for them lmao

[fickle ore]

Doubt, it'll take years. Better to expect dx12 fixes it for them 😛 And I'm actually afraid that AMD have gone and do the same as nvidia. They reported some dx11 gains awhile ago.

Ppl care too much about dx11 perf.

[ashen spindle]

not peoples fault if lots of games still use dx11

[fickle ore]

true :/

[ashen spindle]

since dx12 and vulkan are still a mess

[tropic nacelle]

It's because a lot of games are still dx11. It's a valid reason

[ashen spindle]

no

just takes more work to properly implement it

no

[fickle ore]

But ppl should PUSH for more, atleast in those games that are in open development. Fans should push the devs to include vulkan/dx12 operation mode

[tropic nacelle]

It's lazy Devs or inexperienced ones I should say

[ashen spindle]

a game implementing it unstable doesnt make the api unstable...

[fickle ore]

How's Unity's Dx12/vulkan @ashen spindle

its total garbo

[ashen spindle]

because none of them make stuff look better

[fickle ore]

dx9 doesn't have proper multithreading cpu/render wise

[ashen spindle]

think about it for a moment...

[fickle ore]

Well, indirectly maybe by decreasing overhead :p

[pale sigil]

I want amd purely for Linux

No other reason

[tropic nacelle]

Dx9 is terrible compared to dx11 for performance and scalability.

[fickle ore]

AMD is better on Linux than nvidia atm or?

[vivid vine]

Guessing you guys play alot of AAA games if you are so worried about upgrading gpu's or are you guys playing on something really old?

[fickle ore]

gtx 1060 3 gb

[vivid vine]

Ahh explains it

[ashen spindle]

no my monitor is just 3440x1440@175hz and current gen struggles

[vivid vine]

Yea they have 165, 190 175, 180

I have seen monitors with all these

[ashen spindle]

well now you heard about it

[vivid vine]

Not everything is 144 or 240

@ashen spindle what monitor is that tho, Ultrawide I am guessing?

[ashen spindle]

AW3423DW

[fickle ore]

he hab dell uw qd-oled 34"

[tropic nacelle]

Ah a fellow organic !

[ashen spindle]

so you want limit a screen that can do 190 to 144 just so it seems nicer in line?

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah now that monitor overclocking is commonplace refresh rates are all weird, but it doesn't really cause any harm because they all do variable refresh rate as well

[fickle ore]

no, numbers are arbitrary... Hz should be anything between 0-max bandwith limitation and settable by the person using said monitor.

[ashen spindle]

so you make a panel, try if it can do 240hz, it only goes to 220, do you want to throw it away now

or limit it to 220hz instead

[tropic nacelle]

As OLED has no need for overdrive it means response times are just good all round, higher refresh rate is just better so yes we definitely want to have 175hz all the time in games!

[ashen spindle]

what makes more sense

[vivid vine]

That AW is a beast of a monitor, feel like my eyes would burn out tho

[fickle ore]

120 hz bc my ocd can only deal with doubles

[vivid vine]

I sit like a foot or less from my screen

[tropic nacelle]

Why would they burn out?

[ashen spindle]

well I do have brightness turned down for non HDR content lmao

[vivid vine]

I hate huge monitors, guess its all about what games you play or what you use it for

[tropic nacelle]

Brightness of OLED is its main weakness but as it can do dynamic contrast properly it makes the peak nits less of a problem so it's less taxing overall.

The 34 inch ultrawide with the curve is perfect to be honest and this comes from a person who thought 27inch was too much!

[ashen spindle]

what do you mean weakness, I have brightness set to 40%

[vocal cipher]

ffs, a monitor can never be too big 😄

[fickle ore]

yea curved is OP

[vivid vine]

Curved and 34" is just to much, my brother has a 32" curved at his house and I hate playing on his setup

But he plays alot of single player games soo, I play alot of competitive shooters

[vocal cipher]

you are only considering for gaming I assume

[vivid vine]

Yes I don't use my computer for anything else much besides school work

[vocal cipher]

nah, I will pass on that conversation, I wanna say it's preference, but don't feel like it 😄

[tropic nacelle]

It is, you can get peak brightness of 2000 nits on LED Vs OLED.

I did say it's very low though, it's not a "problem" as it's overruled by the fact black is black so highlights don't need to be as bright to be perceived as bright.

The average nits is like 250 I think whereas led will be 400+ SDR.

I love my OLED monitor though so I'll take this small negative

[ashen spindle]

oh I know I just dont even want them to be so bright lmao

[tropic nacelle]

For HDR you would, it would be even more impressive but yeah it's definitely at a very acceptable level right now.

For work I have it down to like 10% haha

[ashen spindle]

I dont look at my screen with sun shining on it so its not needed for me

[vivid vine]

@vocal cipher yea that's why I said earlier guess depends on what you are using it for and what games you mainly play

[fickle ore]

Afaik qd-oled can hit over 1k peak nits on a small 1-2% screen window

So ig it can be bright enough where needed

Transient brightness!

[tropic nacelle]

Very small window, it's the closest for HDR at the moment but ideally you be looking at 1000 nits for 10% window. That's the dream.

I want 240hz OLED, or microLED.

This Alienware monitor will be my hold over until that's a viable option many years later haha

[pale sigil]

By like every way possible

[magic crypt]

You have the oled Alienware oled
As well?

[fickle ore]

240hz should not be an issue on hdmi 2.1. Tho I'm sure there are other limitations in place such as power/heat and used controller... But I'm sure next gen/samsung upcoming hdmi 2.1 monitor will be 1440p/240 hz qd-oled.

[tropic nacelle]

Yeah I have one, it's the only good upgrade from decent IPS screens

[magic crypt]

Still waiting on mine, October 20th apparently

[fickle ore]

Tho I'm sure qd-oled 175 hz > regular tn/ips 240hz

[tropic nacelle]

I would expect display port 2.0 to be honest!

Corsair already put out a 240hz ultrawide now which seemed impressive besides the low resolution.

I'm sure Samsung's next gen QD OLED will be improved again and hopefully will clock near 240hz.

OLED can actually hit 1ms unlike all IPS screens, it's one main reason why it's better especially for games.

Couldn't stand IPS glow anymore, I had a dell u2311h from like 2010 and it was an amazing monitor at the time (dirt cheap, fast IPS and accurate) and I upgraded to new 27inch 1440p 165hz panels and while yes it's faster I was still significantly disappointed now it really didn't move on in that time, IPS glow just kills it for me.

My TV is OLED, phone OLED and now my main monitor is QD-OLED , can't go back now haha.

[ashen spindle]

40 series does not have dp 2.0 btw

so wont matter if your screen has it or not lmao

[fickle ore]

hdmi 2.1 is enough, even if dp2.0 doesn't exist. Stupid if it doesn't but w/e

[tropic nacelle]

I know it was a really odd thing to not include! Intel's arc supports 2.0 on even the lowest card!

Especially since gsync ultimate doesn't work fully on hdmi

[vivid vine]

DP2.0 is coming to the RDNA 3 cards I do believe

Just Nvidia being Nvidia

[tropic nacelle]

Yeah pretty sure it's just Nvidia that ignored this standard that was signed off years ago!

[fickle ore]

yeah IPS glow is horror :/ and slow af pixel response

what about hdmi on 4xxx?

[tropic nacelle]

It's still 2.1 which is fine

[fickle ore]

Just really limiting monitor wise. What if your dream monitor releases with the other that u dont have 😄

If AMD 7xxx has both, it's safer pick for myself

[tropic nacelle]

Monitor will outlast your GPU I'm sure

[fickle ore]

I tend to upgrade every 5 years or so

[tropic nacelle]

But yes it's just another tick for NVIDIA competitors, you may find a better monitor and it just works via dp2.0 and you can make full use of it.

[vivid vine]

I'm just over here waiting for that desperate joe to sell his 3080 for dirt cheap so he can buy into the 40 series hype

[fickle ore]

aren't all cryptojoes already offloading their mined pos cards on ebay/craiglist?

[tropic nacelle]

I was fully expecting to dump my 3080FE for a launch card but the performance doesn't seem to be there for the price.

I was kinda expecting another £700 big gains and sell my 3080 for £400-£500.

[vivid vine]

I am waiting for somebody to start selling between those prices

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/7VIy_kfrz6g

[tropic nacelle]

I think soon you will see third party cards nearer that price to sell off. Having new 6900xt for same price as 3080 seems good now

Will be interested to see how good RDNA is as maybe I will pick it up but I need to see what I lose on my monitor as gsync ultimate is a thing.

[vivid vine]

Ideally I want it for like $600-700 for a 3080, with a block takes it to about $800-900 then I will be happy

Just gotta be patient like I am with the 60HE 🤣

[tropic nacelle]

I am a polite impatient fellow.

I don't think I could wait, the wait for stupid 3080FE drops were hard enough!

[vivid vine]

Why I really want a FE so I have more block options

BestBuy already has partner 3080ti's sitting at like $720-800 but I don't like any of the blocks for them personally

[tropic nacelle]

Did it really have many more options? I would just pick up the alphacool one personally.

I normally buy "reference" for easier waterblock support but the FE is not "reference" anymore so it's actually less supported.

EK trying to sell blocks for £250 compared to £70 - £100 for everyone else.... Just for founders edition is a joke

[vivid vine]

They are trying to get the folks like me that are worried about how it looks

FE blocks EK makes are works of art imo, why I want a cheaper card

[tropic nacelle]

Ah I see, I could never justify such a cost as the card was £649.... That's an insane amount to put it under water.

EK quality control is also abysmal these days, used to be a huge fan but they lost me now. Alphacool or heatkiller blocks for me, cheaper and better!

I only go water-cooling for noise aspect, used to be for the high overclocks but now it's just purely noise as I hate loud systems.

[vivid vine]

Yea the QC has been terrible lately, but outside of the dead D5 they have been pretty good in replacing it

[tropic nacelle]

Yet to have a D5 fail on me, been going strong for 7+ years on this D5 since swapping out the DDC I had haha. Great pumps!

[vivid vine]

It was just DOA when I got it, I ended up ordering Aqua Computers D5 Next

EK made a hassle in replacing it but one of the licensed vendor's here in the US (PPCS) replaced it for me.

EK blew my mind tho not wanting to replace a $80 part for a customer with video proof after I spent easily $900 with them

But without that hassle I would have never stumbled upon the D5 Next so in a way was kinda worth it for them to be a headache

[stark bobcat]

https://i.redd.it/vlzg2q96jjp91.jpg

Doesn't this look neat?

[shadow minnow]

It indeed does not

[reef patrol]

Back when supercomputers had to look futuristic.

[wheat plume]

^

cat <3

[stark bobcat]

😡

[wheat plume]

dafuq is that suggestion

[ashen spindle]

who was it who said a while ago apple sales are going down because one model was in lower demand?

https://www.macrumors.com/2022/09/19/kuo-iphone-14-pro-increased-production/

told ya this article didn't mean what you thought

nono it means a lot of people who would've bought the 3rd best/expensive model are buying the more expensive model instead

perhaps dynamic island did convince them idk

yeah well its shorter to write dynamic island than "notch thats still too big but at least they tried to make something with it instead of just leaving it there as an ugly unused thing"

idk snapdragon stuff bores me so I only look at it if its used for XR

oh, the iphone 14 still has lightning and not usbc???

urgh guess I'm trying to wait another year and have to keep my 6s alive

again, euro crashing does not mean companies raised their prices

I dont want to say apple and nvidia are fairly priced or anything

but the USD is what matters internationally

[ashen spindle]

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-fails-to-launch-arc-limited-edition-desktop-gpus-on-time

[crimson wigeon]

pepelaugh

[wheat plume]

Ate they delaying them to improve the drivers maybe? After the bashing they got from Gamer's Nexus

[ashen spindle]

depending on which one it was they arent equipped to do anything

yeah pcgh is kinda meh

[ashen spindle]

https://semianalysis.substack.com/p/ada-lovelace-gpus-shows-how-desperate

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah.. we'll see..

[ashen spindle]

we won't

after all cheaper BOM doesnt mean its expected to be cheaper prices 😛

but its a nice breakdown of the cost structure

[thick elk]

It's also interesting to see that amd decided not to focus on die shrinks as much as nvidia, historically ati-amd has always pushed for that more than nvidia.
I know it's not news but still.

[ashen spindle]

well we are also starting to be in an area where you cant just go up a node and shrink and still have much more to work with

[thick elk]

Historically for the longest time the cost per transistor went down with a node shrink but this is no longer the case.
Still Nvidia has had good success with being more conservative about it in the past, so it is more surprising on their side.

[ashen spindle]

Well those things happen if you try to jump to Samsung and can’t be a tsmc customer to get super special treatment for more planning ahead I guess

Among other reasons obviously

[thick elk]

yea, AMD has just been a better / more reliable partner for TSMC and having a large number of products on the same node also has benefits

[stark bobcat]

Nvidia:"tsmc give us a better deal or we go to Samsung"
Tsmc:"go ahead"
🤣

[ashen spindle]

yeah with amd that design collaboration with the foundry is now as important as the actual node itself, that surely has an impact

I dont think tsmc is holding back for nvidia, but if you work with them for a shorter time you just have less you can do

[thick elk]

To be honest I wish Samsung was a bit more competitive right now in terms of nodes

[ashen spindle]

well, they might be in the future

they are the first pushing harder for new transistors but that's going to have some growing pains but they could come out first