Is Omniverse some Metaverse shit?
#🔌│tech
cursive summit
ashen spindle
its nothing new
cursive summit
Feels sad that he has to lie on camera how he "Thanks nvidia partners" yet treats them like shite
ashen spindle
no the slide said sponsors not partners
cursive summit
He did say sponsors and partners
gusty kiln
How many nvidia exclusive board partner are left?
cursive summit
So all of this is simulated in real time?
That's a lot of graphical power
Straight to 6X memory
ashen spindle
what do you mean straight to
cursive summit
What's the bandwidth though
ashen spindle
its the same as for ampere
cursive summit
Yeah leaves less rooom for an "upgraded" version depending on bandwidth
Wasn't the rumour they are using 6X 24 gbps? The newest one
Leaves less for improvements if they need to release an upgrade
cursive summit
Deep Learning Super Resolution?
Wasn't it Sampling?
Was he thinking of FSR this whole time so he interchanged the FSR's Super Resolution with Super Sampling
pale sigil
Dlss 3 tho
cursive summit
Wake me up when open source FSR 3 is out
4x the perf? On what quality mode?
That sure as hell wasn't the Quality mode
Wat ze fak
I see where all the Valve developers disappeared
Working on this
ashen spindle
likely no or almost no valve dev worked on this
cursive summit
What was the second gen RTX launch.. title?
1st gen was Minecraft wasn't it?
3rd's getting Portal
Was it Doom or Quake RTX for 2nd?
Lol what
RTX reinvented TDP too it seems
4080 is 1199?
pale sigil
cursive summit
That's a tall order
sharp badger
4080 12GB is 899$
pale sigil
wtf hahahaha
ashen spindle
1200 for the 16gb model
pale sigil
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cursive summit
899 isn't terrible
But budget cards now starting at 329? Shudders
RX 480 was like 199$ at launch
And that was the top Polaris card
sharp badger
Yeah
pale sigil
safe to say im skipping this 80 version 
cursive summit
Nothing on the 4070 though
final flame
no redesign this time
sharp badger
No but i like the FE design
cursive summit
I imagine 4070 is not 499$ either this gen, more like 599$
vagrant pagoda
Is the 16gb getting wider memory?
ashen spindle
not known yet
vagrant pagoda
They never done two cores with different memory config
final flame
were all the prices announced?
vagrant pagoda
So they may have changed the architecture for once
cursive summit
were all the prices announced?
4080 and 4090 yes
sharp badger
Both versions seems to be with G6X
ashen spindle
1600/1200/900 for the launch models
cursive summit
Here we go, metaverse
pale sigil
stfu
cursive summit
DON'T YOU GUYS HAVE METAVERSE?
ashen spindle
its not what you think
pale sigil
I just hate the word metaverse xD
ashen spindle
this is used already they just call it that now
cursive summit
You know for how shitty a company Nvidia is
They do a lot good for the industry
A lot of this is really beneficial to the world
pale sigil
i just realised i said id skip it but i still paid more for my 3080
cursive summit
Now I'm not so sure is Nvidia so amazing at creating new tech and is leaps ahead of any company
pale sigil
cursive summit
Or is AMD just shit at marketing and is up to date
Cause I don't recall AMD marketing their tech to this extent
vagrant pagoda
AMD makes everything open
ashen spindle
because all of this is not what amd would do themselves
the biggest part of nvidia is no longer hardware but software
vagrant pagoda
Yep
ashen spindle
what are you smoking
cursive summit
Yeah that's why their "perf crown" is what they'll own for max 2 months
Until Radeon 7000 is out
I do wonder how much those will suck
sharp badger
Will be interesting to see the AMD GPUs too
sharp badger
Yeah 😅
cursive summit
They really are pushing on the whole augmented reality thing
cursive summit
Are the AMD CPUs revealed next week or?
Aren't those already revealed?
ashen spindle
launched and reviews out a day before yes
sharp badger
Yeah i meant if they're released lol
cursive summit
Ahhh Rimac uses Nvidia's software
No wonder their cars explode from battery shorts
That explains everything
Battery engineer was watching VR hentai online with his goggles while he was supposed to be working
Nvidia: transforming workplaces
ashen spindle
pale sigil
its beautiful
sharp badger
Yeah the Silver/white edition looks nice
cursive summit
I called dlss 3 tho
Hard to call something that was already known 
cursive summit
Inventing the new boundaries of TDP
ashen spindle
yup 450W is the tdp for 4090
cursive summit
Jesus it costs 20 cents an hour to operate that pos with current electricity prices
That's hard to fathom
5 hours of PC on time and you just spent a full euro
crimson wigeon
That is the price of RTX ON
gusty kiln
I won't upgrade to anything over 300 watts stock
ashen spindle
uhh I dont think your numbers are accurate there
gusty kiln
Either 4070 or 7700XT
ashen spindle
well, depends on what electricity costs for you I guess
magic crypt
Jesus it costs 20 cents an hour to operate that pos with current electricity pri...
Add your RGB onto that and it's money well spent 🤪
junior ore
Screw that. Telle the performance
astral haven
Hard to call something that was already known <:dogekek:846285268289323069>
No I mean I called it being temporal upsampling not just upscaling
ashen spindle
bro what
cursive summit
It's called Russia, bitch
crimson wigeon
Yo what
cursive summit
Thanks russia and covid for electricity prices
ashen spindle
I'll enjoy my 23cent per kwh I guess
crimson wigeon
That's ludicrous prices
astral haven
What’s the release date?
Oct 10th?
ashen spindle
12
shadow minnow
Will they be sold then?
shadow minnow
When will they start being sold?
astral haven
Some will sell then but you won't be able to get them
ashen spindle
october 12th
shadow minnow
I mean, I am not in Slovakia until December
And it’s really useful for me only in February
So hopefully I can get one till then
ashen spindle
so wait for amd keynote november 3rd then first
sharp badger
Quite happy with the 3080 i've got so won't probably upgrade to any 4000series
shadow minnow
so wait for amd keynote november 3rd then first
I will but rt shaders don’t really like amd so idk
cursive summit
I am waiting for people to panic sell 30 cards so I can build my 5800X3D and 3070/3080 rig
ashen spindle
good to know you've got a magic ball that shows the future
ashen spindle
it already is lower than it could've been since they planned it higher xD
magic crypt
My price is 0.12p per hour to run that card
shadow minnow
Well for 4K lot of memory would be nice but with dollar to euro ratio as it is I am worried that 4080 16 release will cost just as much as 3090
sharp badger
The 3090 MSRP was $1,499
cursive summit
Hmm, I wish it wasn't in U.S
shadow minnow
And well rn 3090s went down with price by a lot rn
cursive summit
Customs take a kick
ashen spindle
and 3090ti was 2k
amber juniper
Hmm, I wish it wasn't in U.S
That's not a good price
cursive summit
That's as low as it gets rn
shadow minnow
Well it’s not much less than non used rn
amber juniper
That's as low as it gets rn
Really? I bought an rtx 3090 for 600
cursive summit
In what universe
shadow minnow
Rather get new in case like this
amber juniper
660 pls tax and shipping
reef patrol
cursive summit
@amber juniperU.S?
ashen spindle
where did you steal that 3090 from
cursive summit
America's cheap af rn
amber juniper
<@741447171165126667>U.S?
yeah
cursive summit
That explains it
reef patrol
Here in the civilized world we pay sales taxes.
cursive summit
EU plebs don't get things that cheap
amber juniper
That explains it
cursive summit
?
Wtf am I supposed to look at
If you bought it it'll show you the price
I can't see that, you know
amber juniper
that's weird
magic crypt
Second hand
fair gull
"cheaper"
shadow minnow
amber juniper
cursive summit
Here in anti-brexit land we get shit 50% more expensive
fair gull
shadow minnow
Only thing that’s cheaper here is McDonald’s
cursive summit
https://discordjs.moe/r9sofp185z35.png
I'd pay that for a 3090
magic crypt
I paid 1600 for mine new
astral haven
2300 :/
fair gull
I'd pay that for a 3090
so big on one
astral haven
Technically 3k including the waterblock
fair gull
most of used gpus are bids anyway
cursive summit
RX 6900XT is so damn affordable rn
500 on some
I guess I'll get one of those if RX 7000 is shite
cursive summit
I only look at buy right now prices
astral haven
Crazy
gusty kiln
I haven't used an AMD gpu, how are the drivers now? Want my system to be all AMD next year
amber juniper
https://discordjs.moe/r9sofp185z35.png
for some reason he started to sell them cheaper, then the seller rise the price
pale sigil
ashen spindle
I haven't used an AMD gpu, how are the drivers now? Want my system to be all AMD...
fine now, unless something wild happens with rdna3 should be no issues
fair gull
for some reason he started to sell them cheaper, then the seller rise the price
thats highly illegal
and pretty sure u dont just get ur money back if the seller actually does that
amber juniper
and pretty sure u dont just get ur money back if the seller actually does that
Hmmm?
fair gull
in bids the seller cant just take part with a second account to jack up the price
gusty kiln
5800x3d + rdna3 will still be a top performer
fair gull
and if its direct buy they can just change the agreement with you either
amber juniper
in bids the seller cant just take part with a second account to jack up the pric...
It wasn't a bid
astral haven
fine now, unless something wild happens with rdna3 should be no issues
Fine as in useable not fine as in stable...
At least not in games
amber juniper
You could even make offers, but I decided not.
astral haven
5800x3d + rdna3 will still be a top performer
Good
Not top of rumors if anything are to go by
fair gull
It wasn't a bid
many bids are below that tho
like i saw at least 7 bids in germany alone
ashen spindle
Fine as in useable not fine as in stable...
At least not in games
no issues for me in anything with my rx 6800
fair gull
all below that
amber juniper
many bids are below that tho
it is not guaranteed tho
gusty kiln
Good
Not top of rumors if anything are to go by
Well upper 20% of computers at least
fair gull
for way less than the retail
astral haven
no issues for me in anything with my rx 6800
And I've got a friend who's experience is so bad he is trying to buy a new 3090 right now...
fair gull
mostly server equipment
astral haven
And I've got a friend who's experience is so bad he is trying to buy a new 3090 ...
Not even used
New from store ...
ashen spindle
¯_(ツ)_/¯ can't be purely the drivers otherwise others would also have them, and nvidia isnt fully bug free either
astral haven
Sure
shadow minnow
When do we get to know how do aib 40 series models look?
sharp badger
Also have a friend who had a full AMD build but he had so many problems with his GPU so he went with an 3080 instead
ashen spindle
with which gpu
gusty kiln
When do we get to know how do aib 40 series models look?
TPU have press images
astral haven
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ can't be purely the drivers otherwise others would also have them, and...
But the reports are about the same between vendors
And Nvidia has 10x the install base
That means on average you are 10x more likely to have an issue
amber juniper
Also have a friend who had a full AMD build but he had so many problems with his...
Yeah the gpu isn’t that great when it comes to drivers
ashen spindle
you can't say "the gpu" when we dont know which one hes talking about lmfao
cursive summit
Prolly 5000 series
amber juniper
you can't say "the gpu" when we dont know which one hes talking about lmfao
In general
ashen spindle
if its a 5700 its a lot more likely to have issues than any rdna2 card
cursive summit
In general
What 
astral haven
My friend has a 6900xt ofc since he's considering a 3090
sharp badger
6800 xt don't remember which AIB
cursive summit
Your friend must be an idiot
ashen spindle
what were the problems
amber juniper
What <:thonk:414150292506935316>
I always had trouble with amd gpus drivers, so did most of my friends
ashen spindle
Your friend must be an idiot
you're looking into the mirror too much
astral haven
Your friend must be an idiot
For buying amd? Yes
cursive summit
Radeon 6000 is flawless 
astral haven
Fr tho he bought the GPU based on user reviews and it just didn't work in any of his games...
ashen spindle
I always had trouble with amd gpus drivers, so did most of my friends
and its getting a lot better, just like on cpu side they are cleaning up their gpu side, it's just not flawless yet obviously
gusty kiln
I have complete trust in the cpu, not 100% on the gpu
astral haven
I have complete trust in the cpu, not 100% on the gpu
I have trust in the CPU
But the chipsets are shit lmao
sharp badger
what were the problems
Constant crashing, bluescreening & such but he tried installing newer software, underclocking etc. etc. sometimes it would work flawlessly and sometimes crash instantly
ashen spindle
amd gpus used to always be shit option if you like minecraft, now that's fixed, it's something to look at but you can't fully expect the situation to be the same as on previous generations
astral haven
I have trust in the CPU
But the chipsets are shit lmao
Avoid any amd made chipsets (aka x570)
Only get asmedia ones
shadow minnow
I too remember the amd usb issues
amber juniper
what were the problems
One of the main problems that I faced personally was random shutdown with my rx 480 this decrease with drivers updates over time, but still happens at random times. Not to mention that performance stability and stuttering was a major issues with screen flickering.
astral haven
amd gpus used to always be shit option if you like minecraft, now that's fixed, ...
The problem is that AMD fixes stuff from most to least popular
And they just don't have the bandwidth to fix unpopular shit
ashen spindle
well they are starting to have the size now
shadow minnow
That is true
ashen spindle
and the rx 480 is like what, 7 years old? by now
astral haven
well they are starting to have the size now
They literally aren't
reef patrol
and the rx 480 is like what, 7 years old? by now
- One of the first GPUs I got to review.
astral haven
Radeon is tiny...
cursive summit
Fun that NVLink isn't dead yet
reef patrol
Back when you could force flash some of the cards to have double VRAM
ashen spindle
nvlink was never dead, nvlink is not sli
astral haven
Nvlink will not die
amber juniper
and the rx 480 is like what, 7 years old? by now
Correct, so in theory the drivers should improve over time.
astral haven
It's just not gonna be a thing for consumers
ashen spindle
Correct, so in theory the drivers should improve over time.
yeah and they did...
astral haven
On average no
In older games sure
But more games that are broken get added than games that get fixed
amber juniper
yeah and they did...
The in-game interface barley works.
amber juniper
what do you mean barely, which part doesnt
It doesn’t open up when pressing the command. Sometimes it would but minutes later
amber juniper
on your 480 or on a newer card
I am on rx 5600xt atm
ashen spindle
ok yeah, rdna1 has more issues than rdna2, idk if that's related but might be
astral haven
Like the problem is that
amber juniper
i thought that it was the gpu rather than the drivers
But the problem is still present
That main reason I am upgrading to an nvidia gpu
astral haven
ok yeah, rdna1 has more issues than rdna2, idk if that's related but might be
After 6000 releases, people with issues in 5000 series are stuck forever basically
ashen spindle
I'm not discounting it, it's just that I think rnda2 is a good choice and rdna1 I basically only recommended to people who use linux all day
astral haven
Nvidia releases major fixes for 900 series still...
tropic nacelle
i thought that it was the gpu rather than the drivers
What game had this issue?
ashen spindle
btw euro prices for the cards https://twitter.com/aschilling/status/1572260469750267905
- some more for AiB cards
tropic nacelle
After 6000 releases, people with issues in 5000 series are stuck forever basical...
That's not entirely true, fixes were released and generally not bad now yet they still have had fixes recently .
Not exactly left behind in that regard.
amber juniper
What game had this issue?
Mk 11, Fortnite, dbd, uno, wolfstein, Minecraft, l4d. The only game that did not have this issue was the rise of the tomb raider
gusty kiln
Are they using 3000 series as midrange?
shadow minnow
btw euro prices for the cards https://twitter.com/aschilling/status/157226046975...
That’s not good
tropic nacelle
btw euro prices for the cards https://twitter.com/aschilling/status/157226046975...
It's insane how they said 4080 is like 3x faster but they were talking about the 4080 16gb and the 12gb is MASSIVELY different!
It's a 4070 at best buy they want to be very misleading to increase price again....
ashen spindle
Are they using 3000 series as midrange?
nah they just want to keep selling the 3000 series stock till they release lower tier 4xxx later next year
idk just view the 16gb model like a 4080 ti then the naming sticks, doesnt really change anything
cursive summit
4080 "Ti" the same price as 3090...
ashen spindle
4080ti is the same price as 3080 ti
cursive summit
And that thing was also called overpriced
ashen spindle
3090 was 1500 on release
tropic nacelle
Mk 11, Fortnite, dbd, uno, wolfstein, Minecraft, l4d. The only game that did not...
Is this in-game interface or something else as that definitely shouldn't be a problem, having major lag opening in game menu is not right (something is wrong, not normal)
gusty kiln
Man i just want a gpu that can play apex 1440 at 240fps average that is not a space heater
amber juniper
Is this in-game interface or something else as that definitely shouldn't be a pr...
I guess it is an outlier issue in my end then
cursive summit
Ehh maybe the pricing isn't all that terrible for the new gen
ashen spindle
oh god now the brain is fully gone
cursive summit
Jeez
amber juniper
For the renamed 4070
cursive summit
Yeah so 200$ or so on top for every product
tropic nacelle
I mean the 3070 was "only" $499 and now the same stack is $899 Called 4080 12gb xD
ashen spindle
bruh you're really becoming lana 2.0 and not reading stuff
gusty kiln
Price/perf probably only minorly increased
cursive summit
Well I'll still be waiting for the thing to fall like 40% in price before buying on anyways
What are the chances 7900XT remains 999$
gusty kiln
Well for rasterization
ashen spindle
its 200 on top 0 on top and 100 on top respectively to the other msrp prices
astral haven
That's not entirely true, fixes were released and generally not bad now yet they...
Sure
But 5000 from AMD is less stable than 900 from Nvidia...
ashen spindle
nvidia also was relevant before the 900 series, wouldn't call vega relevant
pale sigil
did i miss pricing somehow
ashen spindle
oh wait its october 12 only for the 4090, the 80 cards come in november
astral haven
I may boycott nv for solidarity with EVGA
But like I really don't want to deal with amd
ashen spindle
did i miss pricing somehow
haven't you already talked about pricing yourself
ashen spindle
did i miss pricing somehow
you literally linked one of the slides with prices??????
cursive summit
Wth is this leak, 4070 was renamed just before press conference to 4080 12gb?
tropic nacelle
I mean what do you entirely call "stable" now? Know plenty with no issues playing their games on either cards.
There was loads of launch issues for RDNA1 but not really now.
Big update for openGL which did break some games but that came as a beta with the issues.
pale sigil
i meant other gpus
ashen spindle
no other gpus exist yet
amber juniper
Wth is this leak, 4070 was renamed just before press conference to 4080 12gb?
Pretty much
pale sigil
booo
astral haven
I mean what do you entirely call "stable" now? Know plenty with no issues playin...
Playing games without crashes
You can look up the issues
People have them
And the rate of issues on amd is alot higher even tho they have alot fewer users...
amber juniper
Lol imagine a 70 series card costing 900
I really hope that amd keeps pricing the same as last model cards
astral haven
Yea no dice
ashen spindle
wouldn't expect it, just a bit under nvidia
astral haven
Inflation = a thing
amber juniper
Inflation = a thing
They kept the same prices for cpus
gusty kiln
Amd also using completely new tech
ashen spindle
cpu costs are vastly different from gpus
gusty kiln
Cpu have smaller die area
astral haven
Nvidia has the gall to outpace inflation because screw you
But amd has to be competitive
And yea the CPUs are making baaaaaaaaaaaank for amd
They have no need to increase prices
ashen spindle
gpus take up a lot more wafer space so they need to be a lot more profitable to use them instead of making more cpus with it
gusty kiln
Will be interesting if chiplet gpu have any issues
astral haven
Wellllllll
tropic nacelle
maybe AMD will pull an Hawaii launch again and undercut Nvidia a reasonable amount again.
astral haven
I'm not gonna call 7000 series chiplet yet
amber juniper
maybe AMD will pull an Hawaii launch again and undercut Nvidia a reasonable amou...
Hopefully
astral haven
maybe AMD will pull an Hawaii launch again and undercut Nvidia a reasonable amou...
Yea well Hawaii had other issues...
gusty kiln
I thought only the high end amd are chiplet
astral haven
Def don't want to see another hawaii
tropic nacelle
Yea well Hawaii had other issues...
Poor stock cooler, what else?
ashen spindle
I thought only the high end amd are chiplet
it's not monolithic is the better way to put it I'd say because its not like with zen now where it would have multiple GCDs
astral haven
Poor stock cooler, what else?
It had higher power memory than the 3090 lmao
tropic nacelle
Drivers were solid ,price was great and power efficiency wasn't much worse than Nvidia.... You are mistaken.
astral haven
Sure I'd love to see another Vesuvius but not another hawaii
ashen spindle
rdna3 top dog is expected to look sorta like this
astral haven
Drivers were solid ,price was great and power efficiency wasn't much worse than ...
Half the tbp was going into the memory...
ashen spindle
so its not one chip but it's not using multiple graphics core chiplets quite yet
astral haven
It's basically crystal well but for gpus
And crystall well was explicitly not chiplet
ashen spindle
thats not helping in making it more understandable for people xD
tropic nacelle
Half the tbp was going into the memory...
Why does that matter if it's still fast? The balance of power budget is irrelevant, you only need to compare total power use and performance output....
astral haven
Why does that matter if it's still fast? The balance of power budget is irreleva...
Well
It was good for the time
But nvidias response put amd off the top for literally 7 years
astral haven
Wait nvm is opamps vs discrete amp
If you are talking about 7000
No
Not at all
ashen spindle
I would say its a bit like 5800x3d but put on the sides instead of the top maybe?
astral haven
Yea
Except if it was x3d on Zen 1 instead of Zen 3
ashen spindle
yeee
astral haven
We shall see if it's any good
Magic 8 ball says yes but the crystal ball is cloudy
ashen spindle
one thing they have going is not using g6x so memory will draw less power which is going to help them alot
astral haven
Yup
tropic nacelle
Well
It was good for the time
But nvidias response put amd off the top for liter...
Yeah that was the whole point haha.
Their release of the 290 was faster than its competitors from Nvidia , used a tiny bit more power but was significantly cheaper for same if not better performance.
That's my whole point of hopefully they pull that again 🙂
tropic nacelle
Wellllllll
"Tiny bit more"
6% more doesn't seem like much to me, just using techpowerup for reference
(I thought it was a bigger difference but my memory is wrong so I checked)
astral haven
🤨
Check power usage scope graphs
It was not pretty
ashen spindle
GN can sell their psu tester now, just put in two 4090s
astral haven
That is true tho
gusty kiln
ashen spindle
honestly scared about the transient spike graphs that igor is going to make with the cards lmao
astral haven
That reference PCB better have not have any free space where more capacitors could fit...
ashen spindle
wouldn't be surprised if it did so AiB models have to add them so they gotta make it cost more out of their price pocket
gusty kiln
Is shunt modding still possible?
astral haven
Is shunt modding still possible?
Terrible idea
tropic nacelle
wouldn't be surprised if it did so AiB models have to add them so they gotta mak...
Bet they just raised the GPU price even further for AIB partners so they have even smaller margins
astral haven
You will always be able to hack the vrm somehow
astral haven
Bet they just raised the GPU price even further for AIB partners so they have ev...
Yea
I really wish that nv hadn't dropped EVGA
I'm really not sure what to do about buying a GPU now
astral haven
I wonder what's the margins on AMD gpus
They are apparently similar margin wise but with less forcing of discounts below 0 margin
ashen spindle
man I really wish amd had any media outlet sucking their dicks as much as digital foundry is slurping up to nvidia
gusty kiln
Hmm
tropic nacelle
I don't frequent the Nvidia subreddit often but they seem to been hating on Nvidia for this misleading 4080 12gb cut and the huge price hike in general which makes a change as they are normally accepting anything.
Gotta hold out for AMD and Intel (ha) to maybe bring it back to reality
astral haven
I don't frequent the Nvidia subreddit often but they seem to been hating on Nvid...
What?
ashen spindle
the 4080 12gb is basically what should have been the 4070
vagrant pagoda
Is 12 vs 16 a shader drop?
ashen spindle
yes
gusty kiln
Ouch
astral haven
Oh that's fucked up
vagrant pagoda
F
tropic nacelle
What?
They were talking how the 4080 is 3x faster this time and then said the price was $899 for the 12gb one but really it's not a 4080 at all it's massively less.
gusty kiln
Nvidia it quite exhaustive with their product segmentation
vagrant pagoda
That should be the 4070
fair gull
the 4090 sounds like a dream for AI
ashen spindle
256 vs 192 on 16vs12
pale sigil
safe to say they will sell
astral haven
For chrissakes
gusty kiln
Casuals yet again very screwed over by nvidia
astral haven
How hard would it be to say 4070
gusty kiln
Was already bad on laptops
gusty kiln
How hard would it be to say 4070
Imagine a 70 class card costing 900
Making it a 4080 lessens the blow
astral haven
Hey on laptops Nvidia was the best option in terms of most consistent performance
astral haven
Imagine a 70 class card costing 900
Ok then fkn 4080ti
gusty kiln
Depending on the wattage
vagrant pagoda
Hey on laptops Nvidia was the best option in terms of most consistent performanc...
Nah they have 1080s the same
And just downclocked
astral haven
Depending on the wattage
No but like the variance in performance due to wattage was soooooo much lower
tropic nacelle
How hard would it be to say 4070
Not hard at all but it's their simple way of making the 70 series more expensive.
They love to do this unfortunately, I dislike price rises like this but at the very least it should be clear it is a different tier it's deliberately misleading and not even close to the same level either.
Sadly Nvidia will sell these anyway
astral haven
I mean also to be fair the ooe engine, bigger cache, and fkn dumb fast GPUs will make the 12gb 4080 probably not far off the fastest 3090ti... If not faster...
gusty kiln
I kinda wanna see a nice evga desktop dac/amp, the ceo is an audiophile apparently
vagrant pagoda
Yeah it's the naming that is bad
astral haven
They should just bin laptop gpus
Just binning was done in the past
And it was baaaaaaad
vagrant pagoda
It's bordering fraud
vagrant pagoda
Just binning was done in the past
And it was baaaaaaad
1080 didn't have that issue
astral haven
The laptop 1080 wasn't fast
vagrant pagoda
They were just 50-75% the wattage of the desktop gpu
astral haven
It was the same speed as the laptop 980
The laptop 980 was the same wattage as the desktop card and it was horrible
vagrant pagoda
980m wasn't and that was what the mobile 1080 competed against
The laptop 980 was wack
astral haven
🤷♂️ the product existed
vagrant pagoda
Yeah
astral haven
And noone wanted it
vagrant pagoda
1080 was low enough power to be a laptop gpu
astral haven
My laptop can fit a desktop 1060 and 1070
astral haven
And the 1070 and 1080 for my laptop perform the same
magic crypt
I had two 980's in SLI
astral haven
A desktop 1080 doesn't fit in a laptop
vagrant pagoda
Which is why they lie
tropic nacelle
What did people think of DLSS 3.0 only working on the 4000 series?
vagrant pagoda
But they should just not and educate consumers
astral haven
Which is why they lie
As long as it's clear that it's a laptop version imo it's fine
vagrant pagoda
As long as it's clear that it's a laptop version imo it's fine
The issue is they dropped m from the 1080
gusty kiln
What did people think of DLSS 3.0 only working on the 4000 series?
Yikes
vagrant pagoda
But then didn't add it back
astral haven
What did people think of DLSS 3.0 only working on the 4000 series?
I want dlss 3.0 monitors pls
vagrant pagoda
They really should force laptop manufacturers to just state the wattage
astral haven
Get that temporal shit out of my GPU and into the monitor
vagrant pagoda
As in what the cooler can actually do
So many laptops can't actually game at the clocks/core the say
So xx80 laptops score worst than x70 laptops
astral haven
They really should force laptop manufacturers to just state the wattage
Not gonna disagree with this
vagrant pagoda
Slapping a 100w cooler on a 50w CPU and 100w GPU is the standard
Even with turbojet level fans
Having it only get the performance with a crazy turbo fan is fine
astral haven
My laptop 1060 could beat the worst laptop 1080s
And even a good number of desktop 1060s lel
vagrant pagoda
But laptops that can't keep throttling without sub ambient air are bad
astral haven
Yea
But look at the sitch on amd and intel
The laptop 580 for example was such a disaster
I believe it shared a core with the desktop 560?
The laptop 5700 was better iirc
Only being 1 tier down
But it was slooooooow
Same with the 6800
cursive summit
Thinking about the inflation and what that would entail when it comes to pricing, would it be beyond reason to expect 1099$ for Radeon RX 7900XT
astral haven
And will price it whatever they think they need to
Anything from 900 to 1200 is probably reasonable
vagrant pagoda
I have a apu laptop but still AMDs laptop support is good
astral haven
I have a apu laptop but still AMDs laptop support is good
Not with dgpus
Holy crap not with dgpus
cursive summit
999$ top end card from AMD was kinda "consumer friendly" in comparison to Nvidia's offerings
vagrant pagoda
Yeah
cursive summit
I sure hope that AMD keeps up pricing their cards way below Nvidias
vagrant pagoda
But apus are all i need
astral haven
999$ top end card from AMD was kinda "consumer friendly" in comparison to Nvidia...
Oh how far have we enthusiasts fallen
vagrant pagoda
30w is dope with a 100wh battery
tropic nacelle
The laptop 580 for example was such a disaster
Mobile AMD was not great for awhile as both designs weren't great and OEMs wouldn't make effort for such low sale specs.
With the later versions they have significantly improved though, RDNA2 equipped laptops exist and are significantly better and has been for a couple of years now.
Laptop AMD is more efficient than Nvidia surprisingly.
cursive summit
Am I remembering it wrong though, that RX 580 was like 299$, Vega 64 like 400$ and RX 5700XT like also 400$?
astral haven
The 480 was like 500 😭
cursive summit
All top end SKUs for their arch
gusty kiln
You forgot the fury
cursive summit
Well yeah that one was an outlier
astral haven
Mobile AMD was not great for awhile as both designs weren't great and OEMs would...
Yea you obviously haven't used a laptop with an amd dgpu and one with an Nvidia dgpu
tropic nacelle
All top end SKUs for their arch
Depends what you mean top end as remember the 5700x was not really a successor to vega 64 at least, it was better but not your typical top end card.
astral haven
I used to sell those monstrosities
And holy crap the stutter when using the internal display
Nvidia has spent the last 6 gens improving that
vagrant pagoda
Yeah Intel+Nvidia mobile switching is seamless
cursive summit
AMD has not competed in top end with Nvidia since Fury days, and now 6000 series
tropic nacelle
I used to sell those monstrosities
And holy crap the stutter when using the inte...
What year are you talking? As you mentioned Polaris which is incredibly old now haha
cursive summit
So they kinda settled in "mid-end" for the past 5 years
astral haven
AMD has not competed in top end with Nvidia since Fury days, and now 6000 series
The fury was not competitive
cursive summit
Fury was fine?
astral haven
What year are you talking? As you mentioned Polaris which is incredibly old now ...
Polaris was the last attempt
astral haven
Fury was fine?
As a fury owner
The fury was not competitive
It was fine
But not top end by far
It was not amds fault it was too expensive
But it needed the price of the hbm to be half what it ended up as to be competitive
vagrant pagoda
Fury was wack
gusty kiln
You guys remember that weird cube pc amd showed off
vagrant pagoda
I remember
gusty kiln
Never saw the light of day
vagrant pagoda
I had just got my 290s water-cooled before the fury announcement
And being like wut
gusty kiln
Kek
astral haven
What year are you talking? As you mentioned Polaris which is incredibly old now ...
6000+6000
The switching is as good as nvidias was on 900 series
That is to say almost unnoticeable until you start a game
Then it's a stutterfest...
vagrant pagoda
Double the bandwidth but half the capacity was crazy
astral haven
20 series with the new gsync implementation was damn close to smooth tho
Never tried 30 series but if it's anywhere near as good as the reports, amd has no chance of catching up any time soon with dgpus
vagrant pagoda
I only have a Radeon GPU for my Linux machine
I was hoping arc to not be shit as Intel Linux drivers are great
tropic nacelle
Polaris was the last attempt
Was it?
They have RDNA2 now and RDNA1 was in 2019, so 3 years or more now for Polaris mobile which is a fair amount of time but less than I thought!
vagrant pagoda
And I won't even need a second GPU for Linux with Ryzen 7000
Because of igpu
Now hbm + apu could be dope
If they could get software
astral haven
Was it?
They have RDNA2 now and RDNA1 was in 2019, so 3 years or more now for P...
Find a single mxm card for anything beyond Polaris I challenge you
vagrant pagoda
I have a quad mxm with 1050tis for video encode in my server
cursive summit
vagrant pagoda
They work great
tropic nacelle
Find a single mxm card for anything beyond Polaris I challenge you
You definitely can find 6000m and 5000m laptops!
astral haven
That's not mxm
cursive summit
US PRICING:
4090: $1,599
4080 16GB: $1,199
4080 12GB: $899
UK PRICING:
4090: £1,679
4080 16GB: £1,269
4080 12GB: £949
tropic nacelle
That's not mxm
What do you mean by mxm? Do you mean Igpu + dgpu?
astral haven
They are basically letting the manufacturers do what they want and it's not pretty
vagrant pagoda
What do you mean by mxm? Do you mean Igpu + dgpu?
Mxm is a formfactor
Its removable
cursive summit
If AMD push their buttons right and price their best card near the same price as a 4080
Oh boy a lot of people might turn team red
astral haven
What do you mean by mxm? Do you mean Igpu + dgpu?
tropic nacelle
https://www.ebay.com/itm/393409864662
Thanks, I'm not sure I follow on the relevance though as it was just about laptops, why does it need to be on this form factor specifically?
astral haven
Mxm is the laptop GPU form factor standard
It's like pcie but with more power and thinner
And AMD hasn't made an attempt since Polaris on it
tropic nacelle
But there are laptops being sold with 5000 and 6000 series mobile GPUs so is AMD just being silly selling in a different formfactor?
astral haven
No
They are not controlling it themselves
Just like Nvidia they are letting the laptop manufacturers do what they want
Except nvidias leash is tighter
There is a limit to how bad an Nvidia experience can be
empty wren
US PRICING:
4090: $1,599
4080 16GB: $1,199
4080 12GB: $899
UK PRICING:
4090: £1...
So I guess it can be assumed like $650-$700 for 4070 then
astral haven
Sure it's probably possible there is a good experience with amd dgpu
But with Nvidia, if you buy a laptop with their dgpu it's meeting a certain standard...
The laptop manufacturers are big enough that they have held the cards forever basically
tropic nacelle
Sure it's probably possible there is a good experience with amd dgpu
But with Nv...
Just saying it was better than their early efforts by a country mile, didn't say it surpassed Nvidia only that power efficiency it had.
AMD laptops were bad because they were tiny and weren't great anyway so no one (including AMD) was putting the effort in for a decent experience but that has significantly improved since Navi based builds.
(Think I misread what you put or something was lost here!)
Back to desktop GPUs I do miss paying $440 for second tier GPUs, now it's so damn expensive.
astral haven
Ah but did it pass Nvidia in power efficiency?
By what metric?
If I need 300 fps on amd to get 1%s of 16ms vs Nvidia getting 1%s of 8ms at the same framerate that's really atrocious
In terms of frame pacing, the horrifically bad igp +dgpu implementation basically slaughters the usefulness of the laptop
Amds laptops may make a good hotswappable PC, where you just hook it up to a dock or something
Buuut they only just started getting thunderbolt
And you'll get the same experience with an egpu...
Nothing wrong with amds igp ONLY laptops
But the ones with dgpus are painful to look at
astral haven
Hope that's rgb
astral haven
Tho I actually may not have the option of choosing whatever board I want if I want water
I may need to buy a waterblocked card...
EVGA was so great about supporting folks who were careful with watercooling
vagrant pagoda
EVGA was so great about supporting folks who were careful with watercooling
Yep they don't have issues with bare board if you lost the cooler
Just said it may take longer to process
astral haven
Asus on the other hand yikes
vagrant pagoda
Yeah one stripped screw and denied
astral haven
Even if you were air cooling and just repasted...
Dunno what Nvidia does
Seems most of the folks I know who went liquid did it on founders
I just haven't heard what happens if they try to RMA it?
vagrant pagoda
Even if you were air cooling and just repasted...
Even if it was factory
astral haven
Some people just spew the first thing that comes into their head directly into Twitter...
ashen spindle
https://videocardz.com/press-release/nvidia-announces-ada-rtx-6000-workstation-card-with-48gb-gddr6-ecc-memory maybe you want this one for real AI, will just cost you a few thousand more @fair gull
ashen spindle
Some people just spew the first thing that comes into their head directly into T...
yeah I just saw someone saying the 4080 12gb is going to perform worse than the 3080 because it has less cores..
err less bandwidth not cores
because somehow bandwith is the total indicator for that...
astral haven
I am really curious how good the ooe engine is gonna be
If they can make it any good, some random games are gonna take a crazy perf boost
ashen spindle
wasn't that just for RT cores?
astral haven
Nope
ashen spindle
o
astral haven
From what I understand, they will be reordering everything
P sure Jensen said 25% outside of rtx
ashen spindle
I thought it was for RT only since it was mention about not having to create BVHs
astral haven
May have misheard
ashen spindle
maybe it was just something that does more for RT but works for all
astral haven
maybe it was just something that does more for RT but works for all
Yep
As far as I can tell it basically makes it so each sm is only working on one type of work at a time
And they are reordering so that the maximum amount of each type of work is in the queue
ashen spindle
ah
heh funny, found some old posts that talked about this feature coming, just not that it would also be used for non RT
ashen spindle
cant find the nice picture somone made with like 5 levels of RT, think nvidia should be on level 4 of the implementation now
astral haven
https://twitter.com/kopite7kimi/status/1572244559819870210
Koping kopite
cursive summit
Kopite seems incredibly biased towards Nvidia
astral haven
Kopite is a shotgun leaker
cursive summit
That's all he reports on but if anything remotely AMD comes, he just dumbs it down
ashen spindle
yup coherency is lv4
wonder if amd is also going there or going to land on like 3.x
ashen spindle
its not some API level exactly its more some split in what features you have/need for more performance
yea I couldn't find the original picture I meant
astral haven
What does hardware coherency even mean?
ashen spindle
that you have hardware ooe scheduler so its coherent 😛
"dedicated Coherency Sorting Units"
astral haven
I am extremely confident what not what it means
pale sigil
Quite looking forward to seeing AMD
gusty kiln
November 3rd for amd
astral haven
Imagination is probably talking about the hardware itself sorting the rays to be traced
ashen spindle
think GPUsAreMagic on twitter had a diagram of different RT options that can be implemented in a similar structure a while ago
just cant find the picture I meant
astral haven
There's alooooooot further raytracing can go
ashen spindle
came from some discussion with people that actually knew hardware stuff
well yeah thats not a max of 5 levels, just thats "obvious" or known stuff
ashen spindle
man where is AI to find the image I cant find
astral haven
The next level of raytracing is the Disney caustic tech I cannot for the life of me find
stark bobcat
@ germans in the chat have you ever sent something back to mindfactory?
ashen spindle
yes
had a 1080 that was too large for my case lmfao
oh final confirmation it should have been a 4070 name
pale sigil
RIP i somehow missed DLSS 3 was only for 40 series
ashen spindle
its a different die
astral haven
Ffs
gusty kiln
So are super branded cards dead?
stark bobcat
had a 1080 that was too large for my case lmfao
did u use this only
Idk if this is enough or if I also need to shoot them an e-mail
gusty kiln
Was a weird one off refresh gen
astral haven
Probably will come back eventually unfortunately
ashen spindle
did u use this only
Idk if this is enough or if I also need to shoot them an e-...
it was in the first 14 days so I had a button to ask for a return, so I would assume this is similar and enough
gusty kiln
Can't wait to see a 4090Ti Super
gusty kiln
Oh damn forgot about titans
vagrant pagoda
They never made a full die 3xxx gpu
stark bobcat
it was in the first 14 days so I had a button to ask for a return, so I would as...
ye I just got the thing but I managed to somehow purchase the wrong processor 🤦
gusty kiln
Prosumer products are dying
vagrant pagoda
I think yeid was too low
ashen spindle
ye I just got the thing but I managed to somehow purchase the wrong processor 🤦
hahahha
gusty kiln
Threadripper dead and titans dead
gusty kiln
Ooof
stark bobcat
I was a bit mad with myself
ashen spindle
They never made a full die 3xxx gpu
they sorta did, A100 on TSMC for datacenter
gusty kiln
I mean it's good for a htpc
astral haven
The next level of raytracing is the Disney caustic tech I cannot for the life of...
Yea I can't find it
But basically the next step of rendering is a continuous tech that generates an entire line on the screen at once
astral haven
They never made a full die 3xxx gpu
Nvidia hasn't made a full die GPU since before the GTX 480
ashen spindle
you wouldnt get much scaling, lose some clocks and have yield issues
no real point to do it
ohh now I remember why the picture was made but still cant find it
was done because some console retards tried to argue that sony is going to have worse gpu because somehow they dont use rdna2 in the ps5 chip
god those were brain killing posts to see when xbox vs ps5 fanboys tried to argue chip logic on twitter
gusty kiln
People forget the games sell consoles
ashen spindle
not even that, ps5 just has some custom stuff different from rdna2 since they have their own engineers
gusty kiln
Oh that
pale sigil
My tinfoil hat side thinks they are wanting to clear all of the 30 series stock then reduce the 40 series later on.
But im talking out of my ass
astral haven
God imagine how good consoles would be if Jensen was less of an ass
ashen spindle
My tinfoil hat side thinks they are wanting to clear all of the 30 series stock ...
oh no they will only drop prices if amd comes in a lot lower
astral haven
My tinfoil hat side thinks they are wanting to clear all of the 30 series stock ...
Lmao no Nvidia will sell them for as much money as possible
ashen spindle
the plan has always been to only launch those 3 skus now and lower cards next year as always
same cycle as always
ashen spindle
God imagine how good consoles would be if Jensen was less of an ass
honestly by now I wonder if we haven't seen a switch refresh because of jensen lmao, surely by now they could've had a much better version
astral haven
Nah
That's Nintendo being nintendo
ashen spindle
I think so, but I have a feeling maybe that was some slight factor too maybe
astral haven
Extreme doubt
astral haven
Eh
That's well within uncertainty so sure
gusty kiln
Wish nvidia would refresh their shield line, chromecast dongle ain't cutting it.
astral haven
Same
Tho my Chromecast is doing great for me besides no hdr
gusty kiln
Which version do you have
gusty kiln
I have the 4k with Google tv and its already starting to hitchup and slow down
gusty kiln
Ahh yeah
astral haven
It cost me $17 lel
gusty kiln
Yeah I want one but I want nvidia to refresh first
astral haven
And it does 4k
gusty kiln
Oooo
gusty kiln
It'll probably share the same chip as the next nintendo console
vagrant pagoda
Yeah the current ones doo
gusty kiln
Codename thor
vagrant pagoda
Just less ram
The shield was 3g, now the round base model is 2gb
Unless you want Dolby vision the old models are fine
Though get a pro
It runs out of space fast
vagrant pagoda
You can get current ones cheap used
Google TV is a launcher
Shields can install the apk
ashen spindle
dear god I just thought of something
since even the 12 pin is limited in power
do we see some monster with a 12 pin and 8 pin for OC cards
astral haven
since even the 12 pin is limited in power
Dual 12 pins...
ashen spindle
thats not real is it
wheat plume
oh the ugly clown lips are back?
gusty kiln
Connect directly to the outlet
astral haven
It's real
ashen spindle
wow
astral haven
It doesn't need them but it has them
ashen spindle
yeah thats why I was confused they already used the 12+4 design and not just regular 12pin
vagrant pagoda
Also the actual 8pin can deliver the same power
gusty kiln
Evga 4090 engineering samples exist
vagrant pagoda
It's derated for arc spec
gusty kiln
Collector value to the roof
pale sigil
Ha
vagrant pagoda
The Nvidia 12pin isn't at
pale sigil
cant afford to run a 40 series PC in the UK
ashen spindle
yea I just didnt think it was available back for that card already
astral haven
Also the actual 8pin can deliver the same power
By spec no
vagrant pagoda
It's so the GPU can tell the PSU it's gonna spikeol
astral haven
Each pin on the connector has the same rating between the two
And the 8 pin has 3 hot lines vs the 6 of the 12/16 pin
vagrant pagoda
I ment dual 8 vs 12
astral haven
yea I just didnt think it was available back for that card already
EVGA just uses a 3x 8 pin to 12 pins adapter lel
ashen spindle
yes I know, but the 4 sense pins that fit the pcie spec is what I mean, I was just surprised they already had that part
astral haven
Why not
It's not hard to implement them
ashen spindle
because I just wasnt aware that the spec was finalized at the time already with available parts
vagrant pagoda
It was in planning before 3xxx
Parts we're around
It got finalized after
Which is why Nvidia shipped without it
astral haven
And the 3090ti kp was released relatively recently
vagrant pagoda
It's why Nvidia still used 12pin
ashen spindle
I know xD, as I said I was merely under the impression the finalization happend later, or I guess I didnt notice just how late the 90ti KP dropped
astral haven
Yup
My 90kp is still on 3x 8 pin
vagrant pagoda
It was just to save PCB space tbh
Yeah the 90° ones they used on Fe are slick
astral haven
The 90ti kp has a breakout board you can get to plug 5 8 pins into it lmao
ashen spindle
steve just had the best sentence "hopefully its not as big of an attack vector as OOE was "
vagrant pagoda
Lol
astral haven
If history repeats itself we will learn about it in 2040
frozen ingot
the size of these things are getting meme-worthy
2030 and the gpu will be the size of an average atx desktop case by itself
crimson wigeon
Chonk
astral haven
Wait a goddamn second
Is that an EVGA motherboard????
astral haven
Fkn nvidia lmao
ashen spindle
well it was a mod build, whoever was in charge probably didnt even know evga makes boards
astral haven
Or it's a low level employee giving the middle finger to upper management in the most visible way they are allowed to
astral haven
Or it's a low level employee giving the middle finger to upper management in the...
Now that I realize this option exists I'm thinking it's more likely
pale sigil
where was this
ashen spindle
custom build by nvidia
pale sigil
im guessing 30 series tho
ashen spindle
4090
ashen spindle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/911576483418501131/1021857291965837442/un...
my man this isnt a 3080 LMFAO
pale sigil
can you link this pic
gusty kiln
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/911576483418501131/1021857291965837442/un...
Yo wtf
I wanna see that next to an itx motherboard
vivid vine
Getting to point where anybody that wants top end is going to have to custom watercool without being gimped for performance
450W sheshhhhhhh
stark bobcat
idk why people even want top end but then again I pretty much only play rocket league and souls games
astral haven
450W sheshhhhhhh
Tbh 450w seems relatively reasonable for air at this point :/
vivid vine
@stark bobcat same I usually buy the 70's or standard 80's and watercool them
astral haven
DC has 600w on air already
ashen spindle
dc also has 500dB air lmfao
vivid vine
Jet engine in the room just the properly cool the card
gusty kiln
Watercool but the radiator is outside a window
astral haven
500db is supernova level btw
ashen spindle
sounds about right for these cards
vivid vine
Im good I will go scoop up a 3080 or ti variant when they drop
Don't want to imagine the prices of 40 series blocks from EK
Can see the price tags now, $400+ without a backplate
astral haven
My Optimus block has done me well
Besides the shipping time...
vivid vine
Those are very sexyyy, might have to give Optimus a go when I upgrade from the 2070
ashen spindle
definitely trying to get work to allow me a pc upgrade and then not mention the new gpu prices lmfao
astral haven
I have a p620 from work lel
Doubt I can get anything even decent tbh
vivid vine
The newer EK blocks look like they kinda got inspiration from Optimus
ashen spindle
sad part is I do also kinda need to look at zen4V since I have gpu and cpu bottled games I play currently lmfao
gosh darn mmos and their cpu load smh
astral haven
Dlss 3 hype
vivid vine
Same, Squad and Hell Let Loose could give two shits about my gpu, my 2700x is holding them back
gusty kiln
5800x3d are 400 atm
ashen spindle
5800x3d wont be good enough lmfao
frozen ingot
Dlss 3 hype
lets hope game devs give a shit this time
they've been in a fucking coma over DLSS 1 and 2
astral haven
I really hope Nvidia distributes dlss 3 updates via the GPU drivers...
frozen ingot
DLSS 2 has, what, like 20 supported titles?
astral haven
Gotta be more than that
frozen ingot
30? 
vivid vine
Like 40 or so now
frozen ingot
I feel like cyberpunk is the only game people mentions when talking DLSS 2
frozen ingot
meanwhile I see AMDs shitty FSR/fidelityfx in lots of titles I've played lately
vivid vine
Half the games on the list really don't need it tho 🤣
astral haven
meanwhile I see AMDs shitty FSR/fidelityfx in lots of titles I've played lately
That's cause it's easier to add
It's also worse so 🤷
frozen ingot
yeah I know
vivid vine
Wtf is that a A6000?
ashen spindle
fair gull
anyone wanna sponsor me an rtx 6000 ada
astral haven
Love how they had to abandon the naming scheme after 1 gen because the first letter of 2 gens are the same
frozen ingot
its a lot worse than DLSS, but at least AMD is a lot more generous with letting devs use their standards freely
and implementation is probably simpler than with DLSS as well
astral haven
Dlss isn't a standard :/
vivid vine
@astral haven swear the entire tech industry needs to hire new people that name shit, its getting bad
Like they are all trying to be like the USB guys with ass backwards names
frozen ingot
I mean its a proprietary nvidia protocol is it not
fair gull
also dlss isnt hard to implement
the new versions use generalized models
not specifically trained ones
frozen ingot
maybe standard isn't the right term, but couldn't think of another fitting one
astral haven
Dlss needs some access to game info
It's not just postprocessing
Fsr is basically postprocessing
fair gull
yes but the first version was game specific
frozen ingot
also dlss isnt hard to implement
from what I've been told it has to be implemented into the game engine code
fair gull
like it was trained from game to game
frozen ingot
can't just be plastered on as an afterthought
astral haven
from what I've been told it has to be implemented into the game engine code
Technically everything is
fair gull
from what I've been told it has to be implemented into the game engine code
yes but not trained for each game
and ya
astral haven
can't just be plastered on as an afterthought
That's not true
fair gull
any gpu tech is engine bound
astral haven
It requires time to implement since you have to be very careful about where it gets inserted
frozen ingot
That's not true
I do believe with enough patching most things are possible to add in post
ashen spindle
the very original dlss1 was per game special training
astral haven
the very original dlss1 was per game special training
This
ashen spindle
thats why now sometimes mods can add it later on
astral haven
2 is generalizedish
thick elk
I also thing facing the end user the differences between dlss and fsr2.0 are a bit overblown, yes in a analysis / deep dive it's clear but much less so in actual use.
Don't get me wrong it is deffinitely supperior, but wouldn't value it too much.
astral haven
Tbh I would say the opposite
Both are aloooot worse than the analysis makes them out to be
Much more distracting in game than the analysis would imply
Both are useable but they are simply not good compared to for example msaa 2x
Now sure they are the exact opposite of something like msaa
But they are advertised as not changing the image...
shrewd thicket
Well can't wait to pay 500 eur more for a rtx 4080 in the eu...
Seriously the base 4080 is 1.1k here
Even though dollar is same value as euro
astral haven
That's gotta include vat tho I goddamn hope
ashen spindle
yes
astral haven
Cause you were implying that was the same as us prices
shrewd thicket
Yep
astral haven
Us prices are pre tax
shrewd thicket
Dollar is equal to euro
astral haven
Not that dollar and that euro
shrewd thicket
Us prices are pre tax
Still doesnt add up
ashen spindle
it used to be that 500$ gpu was a 500€ gpu becuase the eur:dollar difference used to be basically just as much as the VAT difference
astral haven
The us price would be 10% more
The EU price is 20% less
shrewd thicket
Now RTX 4080 is 1600 euro
frozen ingot
GTX1080 is like half a decade old
astral haven
6 years old yea
shrewd thicket
GTX1080 is like half a decade old
Back when it released dummy
shrewd thicket
Cheap?
astral haven
Nah they sold it at a very competitive price
astral haven
Nvidia is seeing apples price creep and saying we can do that too
shrewd thicket
But prices are fucked
frozen ingot
1080Ti was cheap for how stupid powerful it was at the time
ashen spindle
what did the titan cost in the pascal generation
astral haven
what did the titan cost in the pascal generation
1200...
astral haven
Or do you mean the other one which cost 1000
frozen ingot
not objectively cheap, but that thing was pretty much 100-200% faster than the prior generation depending on game
ashen spindle
so the flagship went from 1200 to 1500 and the cards below it went up, not too surprising half a decade later
shrewd thicket
not objectively cheap, but that thing was pretty much 100-200% faster than the p...
Yeah right, we'll see about that. Especially performance per watt
astral haven
not objectively cheap, but that thing was pretty much 100-200% faster than the p...
That's a negatory
Pascal was not 3x maxwell in anything
frozen ingot
compare it to the 980 ti, its twice as quick or more on pretty much everything
astral haven
Alot of things
You'd be surprised how not 3x it is tho
3x is alot
It was 50-150% over maybe
Average of I'd say 80%
frozen ingot
150% isn't that far off 200, but sure if you want to be autistically specific about it
astral haven
Lovelace isn't that
But it's also alooot faster than 30 for sure
Nvidias numbers are looking rather apple like...
frozen ingot
in laymans terms it was a whole lot fuggin quicker than the predecessor
a lot more so than we typically see between generations
ashen spindle
frametimes aren't a linear progress, so yes it is quire far off and pascal was great but not insane
astral haven
150% isn't that far off 200, but sure if you want to be autistically specific ab...
Like that was the difference between 1080ti and 2080ti
Aka an entire normal gen
Also you have to admit that Nvidia gave some people some rather crazy gen over gen improvements
In blender, 1070 to 2080ti was like a 30x improvement...
Then mid gen they released optix denoise that was another 100x speedup
frozen ingot
prior to the 900>1000 gen the generational leaps hadn't been that major for quite a while, last time I recall a jump as significant was the old 7000 to 8000 series in the mid-late 00s
astral haven
The other thing all this is proof of is that we really need Radeon to release some crap
Because all of those releases were a prereaction to Radeon releasing something...
ashen spindle
I just really want rdna4 to come out before next nvidia gen now, I really just want to see jensen having to talk about another company during his presentation
astral haven
Vega was supposed to be the second coming of Christ and so Nvidia gave a very solid gen for a great price lel
Rdna3 isn't rumored to be as insane as Vega was supposed to be and well
the nice and performant GPU got a big price hike...
shrewd thicket
If only the 16gb 4080 was a sane price like 1200 eur
I'm still gonna buy it
But I'll hate myself for it at the same time
Fucking 1600 eur
ashen spindle
Rdna3 isn't rumored to be as insane as Vega was supposed to be and well
the nice...
welll, if the 4ghz rumour is anything to go by now maybe..
frozen ingot
gpus seems to be following the apple pricing model now
"just keep charging more for it people will pay anyways lmao"
astral haven
gpus seems to be following the apple pricing model now
Yea except my company gets free iPhones
Not so much for GPUs...
empty wren
"just keep charging more for it people will pay anyways lmao"
Supply and demand are always at play though, cannot charge too much as you go beyond the point of intersection
shrewd thicket
The 12g is 1100
The 16g is 1600
That's what I was saying??
ashen spindle
honestly we should just call the 12g the 4070 and just force nvidia to change name to it
frozen ingot
meanwhile I see company after company in my old line of work pack it in over persistent component shortages and increasing prices
shrewd thicket
honestly we should just call the 12g the 4070 and just force nvidia to change na...
Yes
frozen ingot
the situation is pretty fucked in the electronics world
empty wren
the situation is pretty fucked in the electronics world
Is it not supposed to settle next year?
frozen ingot
I mean, they keep making these promises but I don't know, we'll see the once we get there supposedly
but apparently its been so bad for so long already that several smaller businesses has to permanently shut down
ashen spindle
lots of companies have said since last year supply constraints are likely to be here till 2024
empty wren
but apparently its been so bad for so long already that several smaller business...
That was forced upon them
ashen spindle
obviosly depends on the exact business etc.
frozen ingot
the fucked up part is most of these companies doesn't even use that high end stuff, its just screwed across the board
ashen spindle
which also is part of the issue
empty wren
Shutting down companies was a bad idea or locking things down was
ashen spindle
some car companies have been told to up their chips to something better because it doesnt make sense for foundries to keepy every an all nodes alive
shrewd thicket
There's a lot of businesses in my country shutting down cuz of energy costs
empty wren
Now some of it is not COVID related like fry's electronics trying to hold product they do not own
shrewd thicket
Then Nvidia goes ahead and releases power hungry monsters
Like its no problem
Meanwhile electricity costs are absolutely fucked
ashen spindle
what do you want them to do, know 2 years ago what is going to happen when the gpu is done?