I'll be waiting for next gen GPUs
#🔌│tech
stark bobcat
I'm sure this is excluding shipping tho
ashen spindle
mindfactory has it at 159
ah darn meeting is over early now I have to work instead of just listen to weird decisions
stark bobcat
I hate when Mindfactory has a sale for thermal paste for 1€ and then ask me to pay 10€ in shipping
🤣
cursive summit
Can't they just, idk wrap it with the CPU if you are buying them together?
What's even the good paste nowadays
I still have a tube of Grizzly Cryonaut
fair gull
I'm sure this is excluding shipping tho
it says free shipping
stark bobcat
Didn't read since I can't afford it right now anyway
fair gull
on a tech related note i might score a dl160 g8 for free
wheat plume
Apple only remove something so they can sell a replacement
No jack? Buy Airpods
No charger in the box? Use Magsafe
No physical Sim card? No idea what Apples replacement will be
I predict Apple will start offering eSIM plans soon
fair gull
i predict they wont
cause apple watches had esim for ages
in basically all countries
wheat plume
Hmm
cursive summit
WINDOWS
fair gull
esim imo is just a smart move in general
cursive summit
wheat plume
So Apple are ok with a bunch of people not buying their newest flagships because they cannot get an eSIM plan in their country?
fair gull
ya so bluescreenview and check why it occured
fair gull
So Apple are ok with a bunch of people not buying their newest flagships because...
wasnt the esim only models us
fair gull
so
wheat plume
wasnt the esim only models us
Is it??
fair gull
its not windows but amd being shite
cursive summit
Will check wtf does registry say
ashen spindle
yes for the third time its only the us models that are esim only
reef patrol
So Apple are ok with a bunch of people not buying their newest flagships because...
US only.
And yes - eSim should have been made standard a decade or longer ago.
wheat plume
And a lot of business people travel
fair gull
nano and esim
reef patrol
No - eSim should have been standard - GLOBALLY 😛
fair gull
or dual esim
ashen spindle
it really doesnt make it harder, it makes it harder if you have only a plan that sucks for other countries AND the other country doesnt have esim providers
fair gull
how does esim make traveling harder
reef patrol
how does esim make traveling harder
Countries with providers who don't support it.
wheat plume
If the place you are going doesn't offer a temporary eSIM plan
thick elk
The problem with e-sim it shifts all the shittyness to the phone manufacturer instead of the provider.
fair gull
those providers will have to support it cause apple
thick elk
Apple too bad, we don't support provider x
reef patrol
It's such a simple change though.
ashen spindle
yeah providers arent wanting to lose all apple customers so they will have to offer it
for once apple forcing a good change
that should have already been a thing as mansen pointed out repeatedly
cursive summit
Yeah event viewer tells me literally nothing why the PC just bluescreened
thick elk
Still it does have some drawbacks, mostly because e-sim is device attached, so switching devices could be hindered.
Another thing is providers could negotiate stricter limits with phone makers.
fair gull
Yeah event viewer tells me literally nothing why the PC just bluescreened
bluescreenview
fuck event viewer
that shit is as useless as my grandma on a pc
reef patrol
SIM cards haven't been used for their full purpose for a decade and a half in most countries. It used to store your contacts to move between phones, it used to have simple apps for topping up your payment plan and provide settings for calls and such (what we now typically do through phonecall codes and * #)
They just contain a bit of unique information. Exactly what a phone has been able to do for so long at this point with no meaningful issues.
fair gull
sim cards hold 2 infos in 99percent of the case these days and nothing more
well 3
a pin
super pin
and the sim id
fair gull
esim has a simid and well u have ur own lockscreen pin
that small sliver doesnt tell me shit
cause u removed all the good info
reef patrol
What am I supposed to make of this <:Lul:411611742959960065>
Windows kernel crashed or panicked.
cursive summit
Where am I exactly supposed to look here to find anything about why this thing crashed
The kernel thing was red, so I guess it just had some inner exception and died
fair gull
just send me the dmp file
@cursive summit apparently firefox.exe crashed it by calling NpReadDataQueue in Npfs.sys
cursive summit
How did you even find that
fair gull
by analyzing the dump file
fair gull
npfs is an actual windows driver which if memory serves just makes devices acceasible to the HAL
fair gull
id prob run a chkdsk with the /f /r /x options on the c drive or whatever ur os is and maybe do a repair install of win10
aka upgrading to the latest win10 even if u already have it
that way files like that get properly replaced
u need to update win10 anyway vexx
ure running 2004
not even 21h2
empty wren
Optional updates are not really optional
cursive summit
cursive summit
This?
fair gull
thats a quality rollup
misty saffron
wat, NtBuildlab literally can’t be wrong
misty saffron
then they haven’t updated nt in 21h2
fair gull
so why does the system settings show it different then
19044 to begin with
not 19041
misty saffron
because the dump generator uses NtBuildlab
which is initialized with a static string
fair gull
bruh why cant they fetch values dynamically
fair gull
anyway vexx just upgrade to 21h2 again to make sure sys files are fresh and good
cursive summit
I don't recall why but I did have a lot of issues recently
Now I completely forgot why
Oh yeah windows update wouldn't install
It'd start installing update, cancel it at like 10% and reboot
I had to go through like 20 different microsoft websites to find a fix
stark bobcat
I sure love reinstalling windows at least that fixes everything most of the time
cursive summit
Something about registry iirc
misty saffron
i need to reinstall
windows update broke itself ages ago
it just boots into recovery after each failed attempt
fair gull
i only had 1 broken win install
which was from xp to 7 to 10
started acting up after some upgrade where it crashed due to some nonexistent file
as in it mentioned a module that didnt exist
only time i gave up
shadow minnow
AirPods Pro gen 2 arrive 30th Pog
shadow minnow
<:peepoStop:945177900083208202>
Doge also got them I think
cursive summit
Then you both need to stop 
shadow minnow
Outlook autocomplete feature is kinda cool, since it’s pretty good usually
Issue is, it would take me longer to swipe up there than it takes me writing the stuff lol
crisp granite
Or you will be stopped
cursive summit
And stop
umbral knot
man I wish I could be stopped
cloud compass
I just purchased a Wooting 60 HE and then after I purchased it said upgrade to the lekker spring Linear50 what is that? please help lol
ashen spindle
yes its springs so you can mod the switches yourself
cloud compass
Are they better than what cones stock? And thank you very much for the quick reply 🙂
thx e1
im excited!
wow! thank you Slayr!
wheat plume
oh, they added an outline to where the notifications show up, instead of nothing being there when there are no notifications
no matter how waterproof your phone is, probs should not be taking it into salt water...
astral haven
Yikes
Even the rugged ones are freshwater only
You need something with a depth rating for salt
wheat plume
yep..
tropic nacelle
do people honestly do that? no normal phone is waterproof its water resistant for a short period, not with mass pressure and certainly not salt water....
wheat plume
I just saw the size of this chonky boi....
prepare to not be able to roll back down your sleeves
reef patrol
do people honestly do that? no normal phone is waterproof its water resistant fo...
Ehhh... modern iPhones can last like six months underwater in a lake and not die.
wheat plume
im sure youd love to use your 1000+ dollar phone for longer than that though
reef patrol
Well you're supposed to dive and grab it. It can't LIVE underwater 😛
tropic nacelle
Ehhh... modern iPhones can last like six months underwater in a lake and not die...
dont think so, assuming the lake is not salt water?
They are only rated 2 metre 30 minutes, may last longer but still not designed for high depths
reef patrol
2½ meters is not uncommon for a lake.
I'm not talking about going fishing on a boat. I'm talking dropping it off a boat mooring or while bathing.
astral haven
Ehhh... modern iPhones can last like six months underwater in a lake and not die...
Depends how acidic the lake is :/
tropic nacelle
yeah i mean it would survive the dip just 6 months unlikely xD
reef patrol
Sigh... I'll grab the video 😛
astral haven
No mansen I understand it can
astral haven
But not where I live
There's a local lake that isn't that clean and it destroys phones in just a few days
wheat plume
hol up, the new Apple watches only last at least 18 hours??
astral haven
wheat plume
is that not pure shit for a smartwatch?
reef patrol
hol up, the new Apple watches only last at least 18 hours??
It's a watch. You're expected to put it on the nightstand charger every night.
wheat plume
Mine lasted at least a week before needing to charge
I always kept it on overnight to monitor my sleep and report it to me in the morning
tropic nacelle
My watch lasts 300 hours and has an always on display
what watch is that?
tropic nacelle
ah garmin yes i did think it would be
astral haven
Who else has over a week and aod
tropic nacelle
i mean they are watches but not the same, this comes up a lot but both have pro/cons
wheat plume
I think my impression of Garmin has been ruined by their shitty car GPS things
astral haven
i mean they are watches but not the same, this comes up a lot but both have pro/...
Sure
But everything the watch can do without a touchscreen my Garmin can
The only thing I wish it could do is display emoji in texts 🤦♀️
tropic nacelle
yeah if it works for you its awesome, I was on smart watches from moto360 days so i adapted to battery life early on.
My galaxy watch 4 is great for me, I just drop it on charge when i have shower to top it up
astral haven
The whole working without phone is another great thing
You don't need a phone at all
tropic nacelle
i never got the appeal of apple watches though, looks awful in my opinion. Much prefer a watch looking watch xD
astral haven
Syncing heart rate and sleep online directly via WiFi
Being able to set up on a computer
Apparently the pebbles do that too, but they don't have depth ratings or even water resistance
wheat plume
i never got the appeal of apple watches though, looks awful in my opinion. Much ...
the new one looks horrible ahah
tropic nacelle
Syncing heart rate and sleep online directly via WiFi
Being able to set up on a ...
i liked my pebble watch back in the day, it was reveloutionary
astral haven
OLED is not the right tech for a watch imo
astral haven
Rlcd best, ePaper acceptable
wheat plume
OLED is not the right tech for a watch imo
looks damn nice though
Especially the minimal purple and black face I had applied
astral haven
Hows the direct sunlight visibility lel
wheat plume
amazing
astral haven
Put it in direct sunlight and you'll see
wheat plume
I have, I went walking a lot with it to track my progress and heartrate and shit
and I never had issues seeing the screen
astral haven
🤷 rlcd is something like 20x brighter in direct sunlight
ePaper is like 40
And you get 24/7 always on display
No having to shake your wrist to wake it up
You can check it discretely in meetings lel
wheat plume
I forgot if mine had AOD or not, didnt use it though, id prefer to just tap the screen or move my wrist up to check
astral haven
24/7 aod for 2 weeks 
tropic nacelle
ill be honest ive had no issue with sunlight legibility with GW4
microLED is the end game though, that would be the next future leap
empty wren
ePaper is like 40
Suprised there is not a pile of eink watches
Nobody really watches videos on them
astral haven
Eink isn't that fantastic for watches since it requires complicated driving circuitry
ashen spindle
https://twitter.com/NVIDIAHPCDev/status/1568313414463766529 damn isnt grace coming next year? surprised they already talk so much about it
astral haven
Thought it was already seeding?
Besides they already have the dpus which use the same cores basically
ashen spindle
uhh thought I had seen someone talk about 23 release but cant find that on my timeline anymore
Twitter
just weird to me to have public sessions about it when its only seeded to some that probably know best how to use it already
pine zealot
microLED is the end game though, that would be the next future leap
The day microLED gets per-pixel lighting is the day I am awaiting for
cursive summit
What
Another BSOD
I did update windows yesterday
I don't frequently have bsods
Now it's 2 in a row
reef patrol
I would strongly recommend grabbing a second harddrive and installing a fresh copy of Windows and just seeing if that BSODs as well "untouched"
cursive summit
Don't have one
I'll be building a PC later this year, probably
So I'll just delete everything and start this PC anew when I move to the other one
reef patrol
Any old shit drive will do.
cursive summit
Don't have one 
reef patrol
😔
cursive summit
Not even bluescreenview can tell me what the bug check is
Yeah I have no clue how to read this thing
No clue wtf happened
The only thing I know is this https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/debugger/bug-check-0x13a--kernel-mode-heap-corruption
WHAT
Fuck off windows
reef patrol
Might be time to install Windows on top of uh Windows and cut your losses.
cursive summit
It's easy anti cheat that's causing it
reef patrol
cursive summit
I just did the same thing that crashed it the first time
Start EasyAntiCheat
Damn not only it's useless, it also crashes your PC
crimson wigeon
Oh it's the same thing causing blue screens as I had pepe laugh
crimson wigeon
Well when I went to fix it windows wasn't booting up properly anymore so reinstall it was
cursive summit
I am kinda scared to reset windows
I do remember doing registry hacks at some point
To fix issues that happened
I can't recall at all what they were, but I'm scared to make them appear again
stark bobcat
Maybe your registry hacks weren't actually as beneficial as you thought
cursive summit
Hey if not for them I wouldn't have been able to even install Windows updates
They kept cancelling and restarting
Found one of the websites I visited
It actually took a long ass time to fix this
tropic nacelle
The day microLED gets per-pixel lighting is the day I am awaiting for
microLED is per pixel lighting :), miniLED is what you thinking about or I misread.
A project ive been keenly aware of for MicroLED was meant to be finished 5 years ago but has had so many delays its a little disappointing , its now finally at a producible point but not higher enough peak brightness nor consistency so will probably be another 5 before its really in the consumer hand let alone at a viable price point. I know Samsung and Sony already have some forms of microLED panels out but I havent seen those specifically.
The tech is very promising though, after seeing it first hand it really is the end game for many generations of displays.
ashen spindle
mild dome
I think right now the issue with microLED is that the MicroLEDs have a less then stellar yield, then a highly precise machine needs to move them onto a substrate where they can be tested to see if the microLED is actually working, at which point you need to swap it out and test again. This process is what makes microLEDs expensive
tropic nacelle
oh its extremely expensive, company here has gone a different approach using sapphire crystal to significantly reduce cost which when it works will be a good leap forward but its had a few set backs mostly due to running out of money.
Not a problem now with FB funding a bucket load xD, following the development for so long now its been interesting seeing it develop
ashen spindle
So the Odyssey G8 which is another QD oled monitor is coming in Q4, it only has micro hdmi and mini DP ports instead of normal size? also doesnt have the same hdr 1000 and also no g sync ultimate like the alienware lol @fickle ore might not be worth to wait for that
cursive summit
How good are those mini LEDs compared to IPS and VA?
And obviously how expensive are they in comparison
I saw an Asus Pro Duo which I have been scouting for a while now got a new version
Ditched the OLED display for mled
Good riddance, methinks
mild dome
MiniLED only does the backlight, and require an lcd panel (IPS/VA)
If you meant microLED then microLED in theory has all the advantages of OLED, with greatly reduced burn in, bright displays ( as LEDs are more efficient the OLEDs)
One claim online said 5000 nits was possible
empty wren
Also with pixels being more tightly packed could get away with lower resolution looking really good
cursive summit
It was this boy
Yeah it uses Mini LED
For some reason only on mid-range models
fickle ore
So the Odyssey G8 which is another QD oled monitor is coming in Q4, it only has ...
I just checkd it yesterday and it has hdmi 2.1 bc no g-sync ultimate, so it allows 10bit colors at 175 hz 1440p?
Or maybe the AW already does that
ashen spindle
sure I guess, but you can get that with dp 1.4 anyway
its just weird they only have mini/micro connectors
like who tf has cables for that
fickle ore
dp 1.4 has bandwith for 1440p 175 hz 10bit color? Oo
fickle ore
its just weird they only have mini/micro connectors
Yeah it has minidp which is weird but hdmi 2.1 isn't mini
but there was no mention of vesa mounting
Ultimately it comes to that lol
ashen spindle
Micro HDMI 2.1, Mini DisplayPort 1.4 und USB-C.
fickle ore
>Micro HDMI 2.1, Mini DisplayPort 1.4 und USB-C.
Lol ahh yeah it's micro hdmi 2.1. Weirdf.
ashen spindle
granted they wont have overdrive issues even without gsync module since its oled
just weird to not go for it on a panel thats going to be high end
fickle ore
just weird to not go for it on a panel thats going to be high end
But they'll have included one in the box, if it slots into gpu. Tbh I'd rather have hdmi 2.1 than dp 1.4
fickle ore
@ashen spindle I disagree. Current g-sync ultimate module is bandwith limited to dp 1.4. Your AW Dell for example can do max 144 hz at 10 bit color. But dropping the g-sync they can add hdmi 2.1 which allows 175 hz at 10 bit color.
ashen spindle
no I use displayport so I'm not limited to that
fickle ore
Huh?
ashen spindle
hdmi 2.0 has 18gbit iirc and dp1.4 has around 30
so the bandwith for dp1.4 is enough to not be limited
ashen spindle
I fail to see the issue
fickle ore
I might be wrong but according to, you're limited https://www.reddit.com/r/ultrawidemasterrace/comments/tsv23i/alienware_aw3423dw_qd_oled_what_refresh/
I'm lost, I don't understand what you meant
ashen spindle
one sec
dp 1.4 max bandwith is 32.4gbps
to drive 3440x1440 at 175hz with 10 bit per pixel you need 31.21gbps
fickle ore
"If features and specs were living things, the AW3423DW would be the gaming monitor equivalent of a supergroup. It features a 34-inch ultrawide-screen display and an impressive 3440x1440 (2K) resolution. That resolution can run natively at 144Hz with 10-bit color or overclock to 175Hz if you stick with 8-bit." From AW QD-OLED review.
ashen spindle
so I am getting all I can, the gsync module is not limiting it for the dp port, only if you use hdmi
fickle ore
to drive 3440x1440 at 175hz with 10 bit per pixel you need 31.21gbps
No cable runs at 100%. You gotta account for encoding loss
Encoding Scheme: 8b/10b
But check on your monitor
Does it actually run 1440p/175/10 b?
That's easier haha
fickle ore
so I am getting all I can, the gsync module is not limiting it for the dp port, ...
I mean the gsync module comes with a dp 1.4 requirement and there's no method to translate the VRR over cable to hdmi right now.
Tho Idk if they upgraded the module lately
ashen spindle
you know you dont need hdmi for variable, you just obviously arent using the hdmi VRR in that case
oh you mean for the samsung
uhhh I know there are newer gsync modules, idk what they all do or if they are waiting for displayport 2.0 to use them
fickle ore
you know you dont need hdmi for variable, you just obviously arent using the hdm...
I'd still get gsync compatible or gsync or whatever it's called on their site. Basically worse gsync or lower range I guess? Just not the "ultimate" version. Hehe.
ashen spindle
I mean they are presenting the monitor and it doesnt have either of those
only freesync certified
also yes its 8 bit but I also cant set it to 10bit so idk if my driver is working as it should
fickle ore
Ahh yeah.. ."The screen is certified under the AMD FreeSync Premium scheme though."
ashen spindle
not that I'd need 10bit the last time I couldnt see a difference between 8 and 10bit on my previous screen
fickle ore
also yes its 8 bit but I also cant set it to 10bit so idk if my driver is workin...
put hz to 144 then u can 10bit, test it
ashen spindle
well yeah but I used to be able to set a custom setting basically overclocking it or at least trying, now I cant even try that and let if fail or not, it just doesnt save me setting it to 10bit
ashen spindle
is there an online site to compare 8 vs 10
fickle ore
is there an online site to compare 8 vs 10
No idea. Afaik looking at shadows or shades of gray/black is best for that
fickle ore
TLDR; I guess it's a choice of AW Dell gsync-ultimate version or Samsung with shittier gsync but 10b colors at 175 instead of 8+frc dithering... Tho you may be able to get it on Dell aswell if you use CRU to save some bandwith..
ashen spindle
well only a choice if you can see a differences otherwise its a clear option to go for AW
fickle ore
yeah I can not see any difference
Unless it requires a 10 bit monitor to see differences in such a test?
Verify with 10bit 144 mode 😛
ashen spindle
thats what I did
fickle ore
Oh
ashen spindle
fickle ore
Anyway, no pricing yet so I'll get whichever is cheaper 😄
ashen spindle
if you can even get the samsung one in stock lol
also how are electricity prices looking in your area out of curiosity
ashen spindle
didnt ask you though
misty saffron
english is a funny language
fickle ore
also how are electricity prices looking in your area out of curiosity
How so? Probably getting owned soon. Currently 6 cents/kwh but I'm moving in a month and I can't transfer the plan eventho it was supposed to last until next year. Hehe. But prob gonna be in the 30-60 cents/kwh range.
Need to burn a lot of wood during winter`!
ashen spindle
heh well set an extra 50$ aside for the screen power then perhaps xD
fickle ore
Oof yeah OLED. 50 per month or year?
ashen spindle
idk just a random number dont actually know how much it would be
fickle ore
Yeah lots of ppl will be paying like 800-1k€ /month for electricity for this fall/winter
Gonna be .. epic..
ashen spindle
god bless having a flatrate for another year that wont change price
and by then solar is installed
very lucky timings
fickle ore
Nice! I would too but decided to move anyway. Idk if you have District heating in germany but new place has that so not heating via gas or via electricity. Should be atleast a bit cheaper. Still gonna be like 200+€/month tho. Now I pay 30€/month heh.
fickle ore
but looking into a heat pump for the future
Yeah it's quite nice. I have one in my place I bought. It's 10 years old tho so idk if I should buy a new one with better efficiency.
Eventually have to calculate.
We're talking air right?
ashen spindle
well this house isnt a one family house so its a bit tricky, cant just put one in that would fit for most one family homes lmao
fickle ore
well this house isnt a one family house so its a bit tricky, cant just put one i...
Mansion? 😄
ashen spindle
lmfao I wish then I could probably just afford to do whatever
also district heating is a thing but not extended to this place just checked
ashen spindle
uhhh need to check but I think it was around 6 cent
fickle ore
lucked
ashen spindle
nah its just a gas flatrate since that makes it 10 times easier to calculate prices especially with multiple apartments
5.5 cent
and runs till september 23, so we wont have to worry about prices heh
uh, wait just july, still good though
fickle ore
Nice. Use that savings to buy intel stock!
ashen spindle
so I can lose it all
fickle ore
Nope 😄 Will double atleast!
mild dome
10 bit is used for HDR IRC
ashen spindle
no thats hdr10
fickle ore
and runs till september 23, so we wont have to worry about prices heh
My monthly costs went up a bit. Paying 1100/2 € mortgage per month, and 300~ for electricity (heating + utility). But no more rent. That was 850€ total/2 between the lady and I.
ashen spindle
that seems alright, obviously no clue about cost of living differences etc. for your place
fickle ore
Yeah should be fine. Only 200€/month interest atm.
ashen spindle
We're talking air right?
depends, probably will have someone who knows more about it to come out next year or so and check what works, if air/water or some mix
fickle ore
depends, probably will have someone who knows more about it to come out next yea...
if you're buying a water-air heat pump, don't get a monobloc. Get a split
ashen spindle
oh its gonna be a while before anything does happen
cursive summit
astral haven
Yup
This is why either company winning is bad for all of us
ashen spindle
ehhh sure they can hide zen1 in 9xxx name technicaly but at least you will know that somehow
would prefer something better but at least there is some logic to it
and hopefully a bit consistency for some time
cursive summit
Here we go, again
A nice catchy title "Intel Arc GPUs could be canceled already"
Which website? Techradar
So, somewhat reliable
Might be something worth reading
Yes, prominent leaker
More like always wrong
I don't see Intel cancelling Arc
Rumours from far more reliable sources were that Intel has already prebuilt all the Arc GPU chips
Why would they not release the product
thick elk
Also in case of laptops there is good reason to give a refresh with an older core a new number.
It differentiates between older models and newer models using older cores, there is really nothing wrong with the later as long as they are properly marked.
they could have slightly different sku's when recycling cores, for example higher frequency, another thing they could do is move them down the stack. so this year's ryzen x8xx may be next year's x6xx
Especially with newer nodes not getting any cheaper, it makes perfect sense to continue to manufacture older architectures on older nodes for some time.
astral haven
The same people who defend this say intels naming scheme is too confusing lmao
And if Intel did this, people (probably including you) would say "wow this is crazy, Intel is trying to trick consumers by selling old chips as if they are new gen, this will encourage laptop manufacturers to rebadge old designs as new design just to trick the customers who don't keep up on the details"
thick elk
Intel's naming scheme has been a mess for different reasons, with multiple naming schemes running at the same time. While arbitrary, at least you can decode the new AMD scheme pretty easily, and it's somewhat unified.
To the average consumer they will just look ryzen 5 7xxx and that should be a fair reflection of how amd sees the cpu in their product stack for that year.
I will add that the naming scheme for amd is somewhat akward as it won't take too long before they have to jump to an extra digit.
Thinking about it I fihnd it somewhat hard to create an universally better naming scheme.
Only thing I would change is add a - between the model year and the segment.
So 7-640u instead. especially going to 2026 that would be 10-660u
tropic nacelle
The new amd naming scheme seems done just for OEMs like Dell so each year sounds like a new CPU.
Its pretty bad, there are issues with the current logic but it is very close to being great so they should have left it really
vivid steppe
can anyone help me with my double movment ive tried everything it just doesnt work
crimson wigeon
Start by heading over to #archived_fortnite_double_movement
vivid steppe
ok thanks man
thick elk
It's not just for oem sound, it's so they can reasonably keep older cpu cores on the market, without people thinking the laptops themselves are old stock.
tropic nacelle
Yeah I mean it's easy to rebage
thick elk
I will grant you rebadging can be problematic, for example if they make a big leap in igp performance but the cpu core slots in somewhere else, or if you are missing big platform features.
Still I think it is somewhat reasonable at times to have the older chips as a more budget option at times.
While keeping your performance tiers somewhat clear.
thick elk
To me the actual naming scheme itself does not matter much, as long as its somewhat easy to decode and is internally consistent. Which it is, so I have no problem with it.
Intel has 12000 1200, pentiums, celerons all on laptops. Still it's not that bad most of the time, and one thing they definitely do better than amd is stick to naming schemes.
astral haven
Denial, bargaining, acceptance
I don't think we should be ok with this regardless of who does it
Especially when it is specifically designed to decouple technological generation from chronology
thick elk
I personally am perfectly fine with it, it's just their 2023 lineup designated with nth line-up. It still clearly dedicates a digit to the actual cpu core generation. Unlike with previous generations where the odd numbers were an older cpu generation. In that sense I personally find it an improvement. The most important thing is that they should finally stick to one scheme.
astral haven
You know like Intel has done?
ashen spindle
what I think is better is that this is hopefully consistent, whereas intel has some logic behind it but then one generation has randomly G7 at the end, the other generation has a P
astral haven
I personally am perfectly fine with it, it's just their 2023 lineup designated w...
You can't complain about Intel doing the exact same thing then defend amd saying not only will they be doing the same thing, they will intentionally be making it in a way that will intentionally make it more confusing
astral haven
what I think is better is that this is hopefully consistent, whereas intel has s...
First bit is tier, (i7,5,3,9)
Next is generation (nothing for first gen, 2-12 for following)
Remaining characters are the specific product code where higher is better
G3,5,7 are part of the remaining characters and happen to explain that they have the new graphics engine
You aren't required to check those numbers to find the actual generation of the product 🤦♂️
reef patrol
Hey now - That's MY job. 😛
thick elk
Confusing to who exactly? the power user who reads the reviews?
The average consumer who knows nothing about generational improvement, and just wants to buy a recent laptop with a certain performance tier?
Assuming AMD is sort of consistent here the average consumer can be reasonably good at seeing okay a 7640 is faster than a 7530 sure the later may use newer cores but would still perform less.
If they were called 6600 and 7600 instead, being sold at the same time, the former being a refresh I still think as long as AMD is acting in good faith which I assume they generally will here, it may be clearer to them.
Does it really matter in the end what cpu generation it is as long as it's faster / slower in general use?
astral haven
Ah that's the problem
Companies don't act in good faith
People within a company can try
But companies as a whole will not
Any argument relying on a company acting in good faith is inherently flawed
thick elk
Sure, but it would be rather self-destructive to market your slower product as faster. I can see little reason for them to do so.
astral haven
Lel
It would make them more money
Like the problem isn't gonna be amd here
The problem is oems will take advantage of this
empty wren
Hey now - That's MY job. 😛
...You have been replaced...
...prepare for reassignment...
thick elk
Only if amd allows them to rebadge existing stock, which I have seen no intention from amd of doing.
astral haven
Any argument relying on a company acting in good faith is inherently flawed
Again
thick elk
Even if they do, it will probably be moved down in the stack
a ryzen 7 may become a ryzen 5
astral haven
Please 🤦
pine zealot
microLED is per pixel lighting :), miniLED is what you thinking about or I misre...
Nah I didn’t mix em up, but I did not know micro-LED was going to start and end with per-pixel, now I am even more excited
All I know is that it’s been stupidly expensive to make until now I believe
pine zealot
microLED is per pixel lighting :), miniLED is what you thinking about or I misre...
Also where have you seen it first hand :0
fickle ore
@ashen spindle thoughts on 1 tb or 2 tb for gaming storage for the next 5+ years?
pulsar canopy
<@150712028217081866> thoughts on 1 tb or 2 tb for gaming storage for the next 5...
2 tb should be plenty
You can have like 20-50 games installed
fickle ore
Yeah sure, but I only ever play like 10 max. Just wanting to hear the perspective for expected game install size bloat in the next 5-10 yrs
reef patrol
Wouldn't call it a double standard - just really bad arbitrary moderation.
knotty marlin
Aren't we allowed???
ashen spindle
<@150712028217081866> thoughts on 1 tb or 2 tb for gaming storage for the next 5...
idk 2 tb usually costs the same $/gb and sometimes is a bit faster so might as well go with that, you'll need it if you dont want to uninstall games at some point
mild dome
I have a SSD and a HDD, and just swap games in and out if I don't want to uninstall. A lot of games I simply plan on playing once, and practically archiving
wheat plume
WHO TF AT GIGABYTE DESIGNED THIS SHIT???
Boris - Talking about the "Normal" fan curve in the UEFI
mild dome
I imagine Nexus Mod's mods are too lazy to review all materials. I imagine it's a lot of work
wheat plume
how do I check fan speed in windows?
all the website recommend some really dodgy looking and named software
this is a chonky ass GPU cooler...
wheat plume
you mentioned you use wireless earbuds, you wanna swap to headphones?
wheat plume
A gigabyte prebuilt PC with an intel 9th gen (I think) and an RTX 3080
But, put into a Fractal case and given an AIO for CPU cooling
The massive block on the GPU is from the original case
crisp granite
A gigabyte prebuilt PC with an intel 9th gen (I think) and an RTX 3080
But, put ...
11th
i9
wheat plume
yes
amber marsh
pale sigil
Firefox sends samples of shit you download to Google??
All browsers send data somewhere
ashen spindle
also its not a sample
wheat plume
My friend's mind is blown when she learned that Chrome works on Linux...
Just asked if Extensions work too
I always knew 6.1 inches was the perfect size~
frozen ingot
I think its borderline too large
wheat plume
You prefer a clean 6 incher?
frozen ingot
more around 5.5-5.8
stark bobcat
more around 5.5-5.8
👍
pale sigil
Sick of the l o n g phase
Honestly I'm sick of notches too
I love my phone because the camera pops up
frozen ingot
just want something that isn't too unwieldy to use one-handed
ashen spindle
so just move it down with keyboard
wasnt it like last week we talked about moving a window with keys
misty saffron
try to resize and it will go back in bounds
ashen spindle
moving with keys also should snap it back to the bounds if you end movement outside
wheat plume
try to resize and it will go back in bounds
yeah I did that xd
;-; the reg hack to move the taskbar to the top doesnt work anymore
misty saffron
pale sigil
Beautiful
shadow minnow
I always knew 6.1 inches was the perfect size~
There isn’t such, it’s all personal preference
And usecase
For people like me who use their phones for everything the bigger the phone the better
Easier to type fast, better for watching movies and games and such, more battery life
Well yes that’s too big
But when buttons are bigger it’s easier to be accurate even with speed
As long as left and right thumb can reach everywhere on the kb
With just one hand it’s different, there smaller phones are better
For me depends but usually still type normally
Not for me
If you could go to a new word by swiping over spacebar when swipe typing would consider using it
But meh
Idk when do I use it, sometimes I use it but idk why
I suppose when I am lazy
thin saffron
formal harness
Does anyone know the diff between OptiPoint and OmniPoint? 🤔
cursive summit
One has a pt, other has an mn
Ngl weirdly I like the whole concept of instead of a single image, show an entire sequence side by side
So you can stop at any point and just compare the image quality
reef patrol
Youtube
cursive summit
Yeah yeah compression
astral haven
There's no point in showing single images, since neither really have any trouble stationary
reef patrol
They could literally have done this with a gallery and clips.
astral haven
But then it wouldn't be on youtube
reef patrol
So FSR 2.1 still has massive ghosting.
cursive summit
So FSR 2.1 still has massive ghosting.
Uhh, it shouldn't?
cursive summit
Oh shit that's blatant
ashen spindle
pretty sure FSR2.x comes with its own TAA which I doubt CP implemented so I don't think the comparison is valid since its not a native implementation
astral haven
It's basically a game of wack a mole until it's gone
reef patrol
pretty sure FSR2.x comes with its own TAA which I doubt CP implemented so I don'...
If it's what the player is seeing surely it's "valid" at time of testing 😄
ashen spindle
not if you compare official implementation vs modded
astral haven
Dlss has it it's just getting harder and harder to find since the folks working on it are cracking down
frozen ingot
ashen spindle
for that games sure, but not as a comparison between the tech in general
reef patrol
This is testing for a specific game though.
astral haven
for that games sure, but not as a comparison between the tech in general
Same is true for dlss tho
ashen spindle
sure hence I think its not a good comparison for the technologies and the video isn't really pointing out anything so it just compares it saying its fsr vs dlss
reef patrol
In CP2077* yes.
astral haven
The fact that Nvidia spent more of their own engineer time making dlss good on cdprs engine is more a testament for Nvidia rather than a valid excuse for the comparison to be invalidates
cursive summit
I guess that's just implementation in CP2077
misty saffron
there has always been noticeable ghosting in dlss if you wanted the frames per second
so yeah
astral haven
Again no
misty saffron
yes
astral haven
There are always some situations that create ghosting
misty saffron
that's what i'm saying?
astral haven
But in some games the ghosting doesn't happen
misty saffron
everything i've played so far had ghosting
astral haven
With my optimized settings in ghostrunner the ghosting was gone
misty saffron
that "some" has to be a couple of games
astral haven
Most games should have a combination of settings that will make the ghosting go away
But again the same is true for fsr afaik
Holy moly something is going wrong with my phone keyboard, I cannot type correctly for the life of me
ashen spindle
would be nice if that nvidia plugin that basically implements all 3 solutions was better so it could just be used instead of separate implementations still
astral haven
What?
ashen spindle
astral haven
That's just a functional block diagram
astral haven
These aren't the actual plugins for unity or unreal
These are sdks for imbedding it in your game engine
ashen spindle
hence I wish this was better so streamline could be used and you always have all options
astral haven
🤷♂️ it's plug and play with unreal
ashen spindle
sure but plenty of other engines that dont have it
astral haven
The only relevant engines are unreal, unity, cry engine, source, and proprietary
It's not coming to source, it's already in unreal, unity, and cry engine.
All that's left is proprietary...
ashen spindle
unity is taking fucking ages to get them implemented, did mention that to one of them at devcom lmao
and yes proprietary is a big one still, decent ammount that only have one if at all
like cmon they can't even name AMD by name in the graphic...
astral haven
🤷♂️ Nvidia only helps out huge devs on proprietary engines
astral haven
like cmon they can't even name AMD by name in the graphic...
You know full well that's for legal reasons
ashen spindle
why if they name intel
astral haven
Ark team is probably happy to get publicity from nv and probably gave permission
ashen spindle
fsr is open source and all on gpuopen, how would they legally not be able
astral haven
Trademarks
The code is open but they can't use the name in this commercial setting
(probably)
ashen spindle
well and if you dont push it, why make it in the first place
astral haven
?
ashen spindle
even if they help a dev to implement stremaline, wouldn't mean they suddenly have to help with implementing fsr and xess better, they could still focus on only getting dlss to work better
misty saffron
is there a good service to autotranslate srt subtitles?
mild dome
Powerful computer requires powerful muscles
knotty marlin
be me
knotty marlin
R-Raid: Shadow Legends is starting
humble plover
yo has anyone had experience putting the 60he in a custom case? im gonna try it bc if were being honest the original case is kinda dogshit. I also ordered some new keycaps. any tips on how to not fuck it up? I never tried to mod any of my keyboards / building a custom one.
reef patrol
yo has anyone had experience putting the 60he in a custom case? im gonna try it ...
humble plover
thx :)
deft marlin
must've been the first wave of gaming laptops so to speak (pre-2010s) which were power inefficient af running a 2020 release AAA game
ashen spindle
https://twitter.com/IanCutress/status/1569233082212818944 nice of them to confirm RPL only exists because MTL is delayed lol
Twitter
cursive summit
So, unaffordable
But they've been shifting the 90 model to be more and more the workstation model
ashen spindle
placeholder price you should know that
ashen spindle
nobody has the price yet
cursive summit
Well yeah, nobody will until Jensen opens his kitchen oven on a livestream
halcyon moss
https://twitter.com/IanCutress/status/1569233082212818944 nice of them to confir...
i know some of those words
ashen spindle
next inel cpu only exists because the one after that is delayed
its chiplet based and only some parts from the current gen changed to keep costs low and make it something they could actually make in just two years
and based on one spec test its 40% better multithreaded 15% better singlethread
cursive summit
Why use PCIe x8 though
Half the bandwidth
I mean if they are using PCIe 5 then it's still a full PCIe 4 even if halved
So, I guess it's fine?
stark bobcat
Wait until he finds out about the rx 6400
cursive summit
But is it even a cost cutting measure
Can't you disable certain lanes straight off the BIOS?
So how, logically, does it make sense to only use half the lanes
stark bobcat
The 6400 has 4 lanes - yes this is a cost cutting measure
ashen spindle
no its because the 6400 was only ever made for laptops originally
ashen spindle
easier to make pcb, easier to reuse chips for other things, 8 lanes is more than enough since we are barely at a point where x16 on pcie3 gets maxed
cursive summit
I know about the part where going from PCIe3 to x8 or x4 to even PCIe 4 gets you maybe 2-3 FPS max on top
So the bandwidth doesn't really matter
But don't these things cost like, pennies? The PCIe lanes?
So it's really not about cost savings when it comes to materials
ashen spindle
thats only on some cards and even then 2-3fps max as you said
oh no it costs a lot more
cursive summit
Still the cards themselves come with a full slot though
ashen spindle
easier to make means less complex routing means easier to validate which makes it cheaper etc.
the length of the connector is just pennies of the material cost
ashen spindle
well not directly, it depends on what card, idk how the difference is on nvidia vs amd with faster memoty vs infinity cache, idk how much comes from signal integrity being harder etc.
technically though unlikely it could also be that they only had room for x8 lanes on the gpu die or else some other part wasn't possible to add
while it obviously is saving costs, I would guess its more of a result rather then the reason for it
stark bobcat
Still the cards themselves come with a full slot though
yes
you can already see this in other cards that don't have all the lanes
ashen spindle
obviously needed otherwise it wouldn't fit into the x16 slot on boards lol
stark bobcat
afaik devices with smaller interfaces can still be put into bigger slots
cursive summit
Don't the x4 M.2s fit into the x16 slot?
stark bobcat
yes
cursive summit
So in theory you could add an x4 connector for M.2s to your GPU and the rest of it is just useless solid plastic to provide structural support
ashen spindle
its structural support also in cases of a x16 slot that only has x8 lanes active, they are the ones away from the locking mechanicsm, so you need full length connector or it wouldn't work
you'd either have a connector that doesnt fit into the locking mechanism or not get a connection otherwise lmao
cursive summit
I'm just suggesting you use x4 connector just for the pins
And the rest of it is plastic
It'd still be the typical x16
Just only 4 of those pins are actually there
Rest is just plastic
stark bobcat
I mean you don't NEED to lock the pcie device
ashen spindle
you want to route a ssd through the gpu huh
cursive summit
Oh and
Has the PCIe power delivery improved since PCIe3 at all?
I had a 1050Ti that supplied itself from the PCIe itself
ashen spindle
thankfully not
would be even more expensive to jump specs otherwise and more troublesome
cursive summit
Do people care for this?
pale sigil
Controller has cameras 
ashen spindle
its a leak not a reveal
cursive summit
Lol what
$1,500 price tag
Why??
Quest 2 is so damn popular cause it was 400$ for the longest of time
People will genuinely buy one for 1.5k?
ashen spindle
because its not the same market
thats why its the quest pro and the quest 3 comes a year later or so
pale sigil
Quest 2 is so damn popular cause it was 400$ for the longest of time
*300
Now it's 400
ashen spindle
basically we know a month before meta connect event that the leaks for how its made what it has etc. seems accurate
thats all
wheat plume
Is it possible to download just a single folder from Github rather than the whole repo?
stark bobcat
Do people care for this?
y
halcyon moss
Is it possible to download just a single folder from Github rather than the whol...
i guess so, but it probably requires some wieldy git commands. easiest is get entire repo, and keep what you want
ashen spindle
or just google it and use the first result that shows you a website to download it
or use SVN to clone it
wheat plume
I want to download a eq preset folder from a repo without cloning the whole repo cause it's like 2gb large
ashen spindle
have you tried googling for a solution
fair gull
have you tried just downloading the files
id assume its not too many if its eq presets
wheat plume
cursive summit
Google drive?
vocal cipher
have you tried restarting your computer?
fair gull
wouldnt u know
1 google later
i already found literally a tutorial
but why google when u can ask here
wheat plume
Same here
ashen spindle
second google result also works well a lot of times
vocal cipher
cursive summit
https://tenor.com/view/school-classroom-stop-hate-lvhbullying-bully-free-zone-gi...
No
tropic nacelle
People will genuinely buy one for 1.5k?
Depends how good it is doesn't it?
It's not officially released yet so no confirmed specs.
It is more aimed at the commercial market not casual consumers. It's way more likely to be bought by businesses as time is money, if it does what they need it to do and does it better than their current setup it doesn't matter if it's £100 or a £1000 more it's time saved overall.
Much sleeker device so easier to manage day to day taking off and using for fatigue.
Better lenses, better display, more convenient charging system and what looks to be a significant improvement in tracking of controllers for more precise work.
Will see in October how it pans out!
cursive summit
Who would buy one in commercial market?
I'm rather interested
In my country the amount of "VR" places that exist you can count on fingers
tropic nacelle
I don't mean for arcades and entertainment.
Graphics design, cad work can be done on it with a very different perspective compared to 2d planes
Also it's only £500 more than the index if you assume the ballpark figure is real (doubt).
From the expected specs it looks significantly better for little more
cursive summit
VR is used in graphic design and CAD?
That's a bit weird to imagine
I would want to see it in action to believe
tropic nacelle
What is weird to imagine? Have you used VR before?
cursive summit
Of course
reef patrol
It's not uncommon these days to use VR for Industry, creative and even medical work.
crimson wigeon
Why not, being able to see whatever you're making like it's really in front of you sounds pretty neat
cursive summit
The reason I said so is cause at least the VRs I saw are just rather.. pixelated and blurry
And feel uncomfortable to use
The image clarity was lacking to me
So I do have my doubts of how you can use it to inspect your work if the device itself is nowhere near the fidelity of the human eye
For really basic CAD projects it's probably great
But in graphic design? I don't see it, I need evidence
junior ore
The reason I said so is cause at least the VRs I saw are just rather.. pixelated...
Thats based on which VR set and the settings used. Early VR sets can get blurry indeed. But its gotten much better
cursive summit
Mine's a Quest 2
junior ore
Blurriness is mostly with text as well* but i believe thats been improved
Aye. Check your steam VR settings on improving the AA and such
crisp granite
wow
quest pro leaked...
any INTERESTING vr headsets?
I kinda wonder if Deckard will get announced around, or possibly even during Meta's event...would make sense
cursive summit
any INTERESTING vr headsets?
Not yet
Deckard will prolly be the interesting one
But who knows when that's announced
crimson wigeon
Deckard announcement omegalul probably just cancelled
crisp granite
Deckard announcement omegalul probably just cancelled
...idk mate
cursive summit
Yeah no way
They used to cancel software all the time
But they rarely cancel hardware
crisp granite
besides, wouldn't they stop updating the steamVR beta with features to support a new headset if that were the case?
crimson wigeon
Licherally just to fool with us
crisp granite
look, worst they could do is just say "look, we canned deckard a couple months back"
which seems really unlikely considering the steam deck was a huge success and...well, a new wave of VR headsets are coming out
may as well throw their names in the hat and potentially establish a foothold in that market
crimson wigeon
Clearly just waiting on RDNA3 gigacopium
crisp granite
may as well throw their names in the hat and potentially establish a foothold in...
that and they've already done a decent chunk of the legwork to make it
crisp granite
Clearly just waiting on RDNA3 gigacopium
...isn't that already being produced for the initial wave of GPU sales following announcement?
crimson wigeon
Hopefully..
ashen spindle
nah nvidia likely just started mass production and amd either did the same or will start that a bit later
timeline for production validation test was august still
tropic nacelle
The reason I said so is cause at least the VRs I saw are just rather.. pixelated...
Still blurry? Do you wear glasses ?
The quest 2 native resolution is definitely a massive step up from past headsets, I wouldn't say it's blurry anymore.
I got to the point I actually bought prescription lenses to slot on them as my eye sight was limiting me now!
The pro will have noticeably higher resolution and has totally different lenses.
junior ore
Still blurry? Do you wear glasses ?
The quest 2 native resolution is definitely ...
A good idea. I was thinking maybe contacts or something.
@cursive summit is the quest able to adjust the eyes like the vive/index can? Where you can adjust where the lens are positioned on your face*
cursive summit
Yes
Mine can
Both distance and the orientation
I think?
Well they definitely have distance
And I think the lenses slide left and right a bit for like some extra leeway
ashen spindle
quest 2 does not have free IPD settings like other hmds have, just some presets and software adjustment
cursive summit
Still blurry af but at this point it's my far-sighted eyesight I think
If peeps are saying it's good then it has to be my eyesight
ashen spindle
your ipd might also just not fit the quest presets
tropic nacelle
Yeah the 3 preset settings for quest 2 covers "most" but some fall outside the range and it's not ideal then.
The sweet spot for the lenses are pretty big though which is one big thing from other headsets as it's easy to get a good focus.
I am short sighted and don't really use my glasses besides driving as it's not bad but on the quest 2 it was almost as big as going from SD to HD again!
It can obviously be better but at native it is very solid now, text is readable (note it's still not like a 1080p monitor here) but for everything else it's far from blurry now.
The extra resolution from this new one I would expect to be enough of a jump to bring the text ever further.
October will be interesting, wonder if valve will announce their headset at some point
ashen spindle
https://twitter.com/NVIDIAGeForce/status/1569341255460737026 official date announcement, though it was in the last message already
cursive summit
I'll fix it for you
NVIDIA R&D division
Objective: #ProjectTDP
Status: sips
Time: relevant until fucked by RDNA3
tropic nacelle
I mean RDNA3 is looking very promising but no point counting it as a win yet.
Nvidia haven't exactly slept on their advantage (unlike Intel) so it is likely very competitive.
cursive summit
We'll see
Nvidia will probably as always claim the perf crown
But efficiency wise I bet they'll die this generation
Also mid end Radeon will dominate imo
Radeon's high end was always great perf, affordable
vivid vine
My entire thing is less about the performance and more just the lack of any other software or support from AMD
Its like buy a AMD card and get just a GPU, or buy Nvidia and get a little more
cursive summit
Heh?
ashen spindle
what is missing that you are using
cursive summit
Get what more
crimson wigeon
I just want graphics cards with good performance for good prices hopium
tropic nacelle
But efficiency wise I bet they'll die this generation
Seems unlikely due to node change especially since it's TSMC fabricating it this time.
ashen spindle
no seems very likely since they still using a monolithic design
vivid vine
@cursive summit Shadowplay, Ray Tracing, DLSS
cursive summit
?
ashen spindle
all on AMD as well
cursive summit
RePlay, RayTracing, FSR?
The only one where AMD is behind is raytracing
But that's just hardware
vivid vine
RePlay is terrible can't believe you mentioned that lol
cursive summit
How is RePlay terrible
cursive summit
Does Replay even exist anymore?
ashen spindle
think its called relive or so no
cursive summit
It seems to be incorporated into the adrenalin software
tropic nacelle
I doubt their efficiency would regress though it will improve.
AMD efficiency gap will probably increase a bit but not enough to say it's a big reason to get it over NVIDIA.
At least that's my educated assumption, we shall see later this year tho!
vivid vine
@ashen spindle the different name scheme every couple years shows the software is terrible
ashen spindle
but its not
cursive summit
Ah yeah it's called ReLive now
And no it's not terrible
Iirc it might be even better than Nvidia at this point
ashen spindle
its called relive for at least 4 years now and I've had no issues with it in the last 2 years that I used it
cursive summit
Ah
vivid vine
I am just going based off the countless post I see on r/AMD
ashen spindle
ah yes, reddit
cursive summit
It's funny how contrasting reddit is
tropic nacelle
<@150712028217081866> the different name scheme every couple years shows the sof...
No it doesn't.... AMD has equivalent live recording and game recording with similar if not less overhead.
Raytracing is slower but rasterisation is faster and their ray tracing performance will significantly improve next generation buts "fine" now .
FSR is pretty much on par with DLSS now at 2.1
cursive summit
Yeah recording wise they caught up
FSR's great especially now that they do easy to implement open source
RT perf is just on its first generation now, so slow
Just like RTX 2000 was
ashen spindle
<@150712028217081866> the different name scheme every couple years shows the sof...
btw you know that its not called shadowplay anymore but nvidia share
ashen spindle
because thats how people now it
cursive summit
Ngl that name is amazing
ashen spindle
and sounds better tbh
vivid vine
I just enjoy my Nvidia GPU's , I gave AMD a shot before my 2070, was not a good time
We all have different experiences
vivid vine
5600XT
ashen spindle
ok but that's just as valid as saying thats in the past and drivers on both side are different and nvidia could fuck up just as well now
cursive summit
5000 series cards are a mess
ashen spindle
if you gave amd cpus a chance before zen you are on bulldozer and thats not even remotely the same lol
vivid vine
But they have not fucked up for me.. I could care less about the possibility
cursive summit
I always root for the underdog, but RDNA1 is ass
Performance is great
But stability, drivers? Not at all
ashen spindle
But they have not fucked up for me.. I could care less about the possibility
and thats fine, but very different from "lack of any other software or support"
cursive summit
I hope someone would trade this RX 5700 for an RX 6700
vivid vine
@ashen spindle I yes Ryzen for CPU side, I am not against AMD just against the GPU's from past experiences
cursive summit
Fair enough
But don't hold grudges for a prolonged time since hardware always improves
ashen spindle
yeah I'm saying it's the same though, you can expect something but based on rdna2 we can also already expect more on gpu side
doesnt really make sense to base it on an older generation instead of the current one
halcyon moss
/shrug my 5700xt works fine
vivid vine
I always do because when I upgrade its not just the price of the card, I am spending another $200-300 on a waterblock for said card
cursive summit
My RX 5700 sometimes works fine
Most of the time
Then it just crashes the drivers
Cause fuck you
vivid vine
@cursive summit lol see that is what scares me about them
cursive summit
That's just 5000 series
It's infamous for terrible stability
I hadn't heard about such things from RX 6000
Let alone the upcoming RX 7000 shouldn't have it
ashen spindle
ok but if we pretend its cpus, then you would be saying Zen2 is going to be really scary because bulldozer was bad, despite zen1 being out for 2 years
currently you are afraid next gen has issues because previous gen had issues despite current gen not having that
tropic nacelle
5700xt was bad at launch but significantly improved, i have a few friends who had issues at launched but no more.
That's not to say you won't experience issues but to be honest pre RNDA2 really can be seen as the pre Zen era of CPU.
AMD had no cash for GPU, Zen was the gamble so GPU budget was cut and finally that gamble paid off and they have been increasing budget significantly to fight on both fronts .
RDNA2 launch was solid (ignoring pricing haha)
RDNA3 will likely be better.
cursive summit
RDNA2 is a pretty great product
They made great strides on GPU design
And now they are doing overtime on drivers
And boy they are doing amazing work on drivers
+100% perf in some cases is insane with just a driver update
tropic nacelle
RDNA was finally a move away from GCN which was a lot of the reasons for issues, it was a huge change for AMD and on a shoestring budget.
It's impressive but honestly they should have delayed it and fixed all the launch issues but it's in the past can't fix that.
cursive summit
Remember, it wasn't truly RDNA
It was a weird half amalgamation of GCN and RDNA
RDNA2 is the one that was completely different
And RDNA1 was just shit at start
vivid vine
Here in the US, 6000 series cards were almost double the price of Nvidia, so it was not a move. Not sure how it was in other parts of the world
tropic nacelle
That was most of the issues, it had to have a lot of changes driver wise for it all.
It was essentially the Zen launch at that point
ashen spindle
Here in the US, 6000 series cards were almost double the price of Nvidia, so it ...
that's just not true
maybe in your local store idk
vivid vine
@ashen spindle Yea Microcenter the cheaptest eletronic store in the US
cursive summit
Here in the US, 6000 series cards were almost double the price of Nvidia, so it ...
Even though I live in Europe that sounds highly unlikely
ashen spindle
show me an example
vivid vine
@ashen spindle Best Buy had none in stock, Amazon was all scalpers, Microcenter was the only place outside of buying a bor you could get one
ashen spindle
you could also buy them from amd directly
tropic nacelle
Here in the US, 6000 series cards were almost double the price of Nvidia, so it ...
Here on UK it was cheaper when stock was in and they were more often.
No one should be saying buy X brand for GPU.
It should be when both are out with their cards you should check relevant benchmarks for your games and see which performs better and get the cheaper one unless X has a feature you really need/want
vivid vine
Yea now @cursive summit I am talking about during lockdown
cursive summit
Yeah during lockdown AMD suffered
vivid vine
When the cards launched and the time after, not now
cursive summit
But now they're cheaper
ashen spindle
yeah obviously, but miners payed even more for nvidia cards so them being cheaper makes no sense
it wasn't like that in any part of the world
cursive summit
Fam wtf are these prices, 999 for 6950XT
tropic nacelle
Brand loyalty is stupid for corps of this scale, I will pick AMD if they are on par but if it's below I will go NVIDIA.
AMD provides more for the consumer as a whole over the years due to it being the underdog it HAD to be nice in the market with open source tools and features.
If AMD gets full dominance like Nvidia had then it would also do the same as Nvidia did.
cursive summit
I got cockteased
cursive summit
also
See I would buy from Mindfactory, but they don't ship to other countries
Unless you are a company
vivid vine
I have a 2070.. I buy gaming cards
cursive summit
Unlike in U.S typically every European retailer has to list a price with taxes
So the price you see is what you pay without the delivery, obviously
That's why I get cockteased by amazon.com and their tiny prices
They aren't tiny, just pre-tax
ashen spindle
that doesnt change that for him after taxes it still would be 1500...
ashen spindle
cursive summit
RTX 3070 is finally normal priced
vivid vine
@cursive summit but I am a watercooler I am not sticking a fanned up card in my pc
cursive summit
Oh no false alert
vivid vine
Only reason I stated $1500
cursive summit
Some mongol put 3060Ti as 3070Ti
vivid vine
Dude trying to pull a slick one on a dumb person
tropic nacelle
Just buy a reference AMD board and pay less overall.
AMD seems way simpler to buy a waterblock for assuming it's a reference board.
stark bobcat
See I would buy from Mindfactory, but they don't ship to other countries
in that situation it helps to have friends from germany
ashen spindle
gl getting a refernce card at a better price xD
stark bobcat
I don't have friends from germany
you should get some
tropic nacelle
I mean yeah it's silly to buy now if you held off so long you may as well wait a month or two to get Nvidia or AMD as both are going to be big jumps FOR RRP If you pre-order fast
vivid vine
I am chilling on my 2070, I want a CPU upgrade if anything. Games like Hell Let Loose and Squad suffer on my 2700x
tropic nacelle
Also best rule is to never buy the flagship, buy the second tier card (assuming your budget is fine) as you just lose SO much money for very little change.
vivid vine
^^^
stark bobcat
rn flagship cards are very well priced it seems
cursive summit
How're Finland's gas and electricity prices doing?
ashen spindle
rn flagship cards are very well priced it seems
flagship cards are always a decent price... if next gen is around the corner xD
tropic nacelle
rn flagship cards are very well priced it seems
I mean are they?? No way a 6950xt is worth €1300
ashen spindle
I mean are they?? No way a 6950xt is worth €1300
you can get them for 999
stark bobcat
I mean are they?? No way a 6950xt is worth €1300
it s 900-1000€
on mydealz I have seen it for 900
ashen spindle
amds store just hasnt changed prices since release despite pricecuts for AiBs
tropic nacelle
Ah I missed the other screenshot haha.
I'd still say it's pretty poor value for money, better than launch but €900 will get you a better card from NVIDIA or AMD when they launch their cards shortly.