🔌│tech

[pale sigil]

the fuck

i clean my pc and my temps are somehow worse

[ashen spindle]

fans still running?

[astral haven]

Gotta compensate for ambient temps

[frozen ingot]

foldable phones are still dumb

[pale sigil]

67c idle

like

[shadow minnow]

Oof

That’s very bad

Couldn’t you have made some screw or sth loose that would make the contact between cpu or GPU and cooler worse?

[pale sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/christmas-vacation-no-shit-gif-24027052

no

i didn't remove my pump

[shadow minnow]

I used a really old air cooler on my cpu for a while and idle temps were still way better

[pale sigil]

it says my pump is going

[shadow minnow]

Like 2005 or sth cooler

[shadow minnow]

Is it though?

Can you see the water moving

Should be able to at high rpms

[pale sigil]

its not translucent

ill check wires

[ashen spindle]

.

[pale sigil]

ye

i even just maxed them out

lim gonna check the wires, brb

[shadow minnow]

My guess is pump broken

At max speed there should be a bit of vibration

Either next to it or even in tubes

Or another way to check is if unplugging it has impact

[wheat plume]

It is interesting that material you theme is part of AOSP but the search bar and icon theme all look like they are still from Android 3

[pale sigil]

i thought this the otherday when i had issue which is why i cleaned my pc today

i replugged all the wires

i dont feel much vibration if at all

ill unplug the pump in a min

[shadow minnow]

Imo it’s pump broken

[reef patrol]

Time for a cheap Noctua xD

[shadow minnow]

Can’t imagine anything else causing it

Way to try is to touch the cpu block if it’s warm

Even under 300w load my cpu block would remain cold

[ashen spindle]

noctua go brrrrr (but silent)

[reef patrol]

Touch the radiator. If it's hot the pump's obviously working.

[pale sigil]

i should have just gone with noctua

[shadow minnow]

Well that’s not really true

On idle even if it’s working if the fans run fast enough

It won’t be hot

[pale sigil]

radiator is cold

[shadow minnow]

I would try touching cpu block instead, should remain rather cold

[pale sigil]

then ill turn the fans down

the pump itself has no heat either tbf

[shadow minnow]

Like I even tried the part of cpu block that was directly touching the cpu on my pc under full load and it was cold

I think it’s pump ngl

If top of the cpu block is warm, especially if it’s plastic it’s definitely pump

[pale sigil]

my temps stay on like 60c idle and 60-70c+ in game... weird

but this is maxed out fans which is bad

since i had them on silent before and playing d2 at 60c

[junior ore]

Did you properly apply the thermal paste?

[shadow minnow]

Afaik he didn’t remove the cpu block

[junior ore]

it had to be applied at some point in time.

[shadow minnow]

Well yeah but if temps were alright before

[junior ore]

might as well check it, clean it, apply new one.

[ashen spindle]

dedusting your pc doesnt make thermal paste behave different

[junior ore]

depending on how long ago that was*

[shadow minnow]

^

[junior ore]

yeah but it's a factor in thermals.

[shadow minnow]

Well yeah but it’s not what’s causing the issue

Sure it may help

Reapplying it

[junior ore]

You can't say a coincidence can't happen, Quinn

[ashen spindle]

what

ah

[shadow minnow]

Ngl I can’t really imagine what could happen to the thermal paste so suddenly

[junior ore]

It's possible by sheer coincidence, is all.

[shadow minnow]

@pale sigil how were the idle temps before?

[junior ore]

well again we don't know how long since it was last applied or if done properly so.

[shadow minnow]

Even then

I don’t think it could just change in few hours from good to really bad

[junior ore]

anyways, besides paste :

@pale sigil Do you use a fan HUB or such? Is the pump hooked to a 3 or 4 pin or what?

[shadow minnow]

I would really just recommend touching the cpu block if it’s warm, it (probably) won’t kill you

But also let’s not talk about me running my pump without liquid for 15 seconds twice because I didn’t realize it was plugged in

It well still works well

[pale sigil]

The pump is deffo working lol

[astral haven]

Just gotta smooth out those rotors lel

[pale sigil]

Also nah the pump is plugged into the mobo

I can re apply thermal paste but I really don't wanna lol

Hate doing it

seems to be cooling down a lot more nopw

i re plugged the pump

[ashen spindle]

what exactly did you do when you say you cleaned it

[pale sigil]

at 40c idle

[final flame]

we dont talk about the time i ran my CPU for about 5 minutes without the pump on because I forgor to plug it back in

[pale sigil]

I removed all filters and extra parts, cleaned them, removed the gpu and give it a good clean, compressed air the entire case, cleaned all the fans, cleaned the raditor using compressed air etc

looks like brand new

Maybe it was a loose connection

I'll keep an eye

Could be cleaner Ik XD

oh i did put in another nvme drive to test

rgb shite

[shadow minnow]

I think so

[astral haven]

Could have been a bubble that migrated around while you were cleaning

[pale sigil]

Why do people get rgb nvme drives

[reef patrol]

Because they want pretty colours and don't care if the SSD cooks 😄

[shadow minnow]

I mean some look kinda cool but XPG drives are ugly ngl

[reef patrol]

Both of my XPG's are sticker less and hidden behind metal anyway.

[shadow minnow]

I hate colorful stickers on anything

Especially since most are red

But it’s even worse with red on monitor stands

[pale sigil]

It is indeed ugly

In just helping s friend get the serial number

Wasn't on the drive and he lost the box

ngl @ashen spindle i just want to take your approach to pc bases lately

[ashen spindle]

huh

oh cases

[pale sigil]

my windows is fucked lately

i hate windows

[pale sigil]

usingt Windows 10 am

atm

its ugly

[cursive summit]

Takes after you

[shadow minnow]

Windows 11 looks much better ngl

Closer to macOS

[cursive summit]

Tf is the point of "looks"

Functionality is what matters

[shadow minnow]

Both matter to some extend

[junior ore]

you want it to work first then you want it to look good.

[pale sigil]

Well, if you want to play Destiny 2 at 1440p on the steam deck.

Its doable

kinda

[junior ore]

it'll look better at lower resolution lol

[pale sigil]

hahha ik

just playing around

[shadow minnow]

Well yeah but at least it looks nice when it doesn’t work and allow me to reinstall Intel XTU while asking me about logging in every 3 days

[pale sigil]

30fps native res tho

which is kinda impressive haha

[shadow minnow]

That looks worse than games on my iGPU

[pale sigil]

damn 1920x1080 40-60

[shadow minnow]

Battlefield V optimization was pretty impressive

Looked good even on an iGPU

[pale sigil]

idk why my deck windows install can select 4k

[shadow minnow]

Also well bioshock runs pretty well even at medium details, and looks great, compared to that

[junior ore]

lol

[pale sigil]

like, ngl this aint bad.

If you wanna play d2 on a monitor or some shit when away

this is all on an SD card too

Sadly i cant take advantage of the steam deck fsr

now lets try fortnitew

[shadow minnow]

Well the res may be high

But it looks very bad

[pale sigil]

oh not the pic

i ran at 1080p

But also tbf games look fine on the deck screen, its not really meant to be used externally

[shadow minnow]

I am kinda impressed by M1 pro being able to handle shaders + high res resource packs with heightmaps

Though it’s kinda at a weird point where increasing res or view distance doesn’t do much.
But also apple silicone shaders are a bit broken

[pale sigil]

so far native res runs smooth with fortnite (1440p

menu wise anyway

loading in now

[shadow minnow]

Now try LiS BtS

[pale sigil]

30fps

medium

holy

120fps

low

[shadow minnow]

Try LiS BtS now or else

[pale sigil]

gonna hop into a br batch now

*match

as this aint the best test

1440p though!!!!

haha looks ass

[shadow minnow]

Almost looks more down than your bot

[pale sigil]

So at 1080p it looks fine and not blury

60+fps

[thin saffron]

I made it lighter than the g pro superlight 😄

[pale sigil]

Running steam deck desktop mode at 144hz, this is all i ever wanted with Linux

its so smooth

[shadow minnow]

Apple event today

[deft marlin]

That’s gonna become unhealthy when you get to Finalmouse starlight territory

[ashen spindle]

dont think its unhealthy unless the weight loss is caused by putting it in acid or something lmao

[thin saffron]

I will never do nasty holes in my mouse haha

[deft marlin]

I was planning to drill out the sides of my G Pro Hero the cover it with neoprene

But figured I’d just add back the same weight I cut off

[pale sigil]

when

also me sad

wish i had two video outputs from my deck vs one

[shadow minnow]

6pm

[pale sigil]

why are you being special xD

[shadow minnow]

Wdym?

[pale sigil]

saying today

sure its past 12 xD

but ffs

xD

[shadow minnow]

Well it’s today for me

Just not for you

I haven’t changed time zones yet

[pale sigil]

i dont think you understood

[thin saffron]

There are many plastic you can cut from the inside that do not afect the structural integrity

[crisp granite]

looking at that makes me so uncomfortable

a part of the reason I really like the G303 is that it is built really well and doesn't flex
cutting all that plastic will definitely compromise on that

also, 80 grams is already light enough

[astral haven]

As the owner of a mouse that barely squeaks over 20g I can 100% confirm that lighter is very much better at least for fps and osu

[old radish]

maybe not for osu, its more personal preference and what you are used to, I used to have like a 120+ gram mouse and like 6 months ago switched to like a 60 gram mouse and it didn't make much of a difference aim wise

and heavier would probably be a bit better for flow aim at the higher levels of play and lighter could maybe be better for flicking / fast jumps but I doubt a lighter mouse is gonna make you much better over a heavier one

[crisp granite]

as someone who's used mice way lighter and heavier than my G303, I can confidently say it's a preference thing

for me, 80 gram is the lightest I can go without feeling like it's going to move if I so much as look at it

[astral haven]

You have to go further
Once you get over the hump that your brain realized, wait this is a different weight I need to recalibrate, the performance is very very different

[astral haven]

Regarding that, the proof is in the players
The pointing devices of the top level players are all under 20g
That's proof that mice aren't light enough...

[old radish]

tablet is much different that mouse and you don't need to play tablet to be a top player, there are quite a few mouse players in the top 50 or so

[astral haven]

Yes
You can be good, but the overall best player has not set their high scores on mouse in many many years

All the mice players I'm aware of are reading ana memorization champions
Not aim or jump gods

Don't get me wrong
Any of those players would slaughter us even using 500g mice
And they will perform the best with what they have practiced the most,
But the trend is clear...

[deft marlin]

I used to have near perfect aim with my GPX

At least, 98th percentile static targeting

switched back to my OG G Pro wired and it started off being worse

Getting used to 87g now

Planning for a G Pro Wireless for low sens gameplay with my left hand after I get that hands aim up to scratch (something like 650 eDPI maybe); I still need wired for my right because I’m doing high dpi high sens (1440 eDPI)

wires help me control my aim a bit

[deft marlin]

They’d slaughter their own carpals with that weight

[astral haven]

If people can drive stick, gamers can use a 500g mouse lol

[deft marlin]

What stick exactly?

but, on the other hand you do have someone playing Val with a 120g G903

[astral haven]

Like manual transmissions?
The old ones where you are moving 4-5 lbs of metal

[deft marlin]

That’s different

You’re putting the strength of your arm into it, and only moving it quickly over a short distance

A heavy mouse is moved sometimes very quickly over a long distance

And it doesn’t stop moving there, fps games your mouse is almost in constant motion

[astral haven]

Skill issue

[deft marlin]

Have yet to see someone, other than a drag kart racer accelerating change gear every 5 seconds

[astral haven]

That's because nowdays they use paddle shifters for the serious races lel

[deft marlin]

Mhm

I’m just saying

TRy iT yOuRsElf

And a pro with mice usually has micro-movements which go a long way

That heavy point and shoot could be difficult

[astral haven]

The heavier the mouse the microer the movements will be lel

[deft marlin]

But not everyone is a high DPI gamer?

or high sens for that reasoning

[astral haven]

Get gud

[deft marlin]

Sell your bridge

[shadow minnow]

I have a well not so heavy mouse yet I have really high DPI

Decreased my dpi, got used to it, tried mc parkour after a while again, again increased my DPI

But then in games like war thunder I would sometimes automatically switch to tracpkad for accurate aiming after moving mouse to approximate location

[deft marlin]

87g mouse here, 1440 eDPI

1200 1.12 sens in Aiming Pro

got tired of having to move my arm up and down so moved out of the 700s eDPI territory

I am a wrist aimer by nature so :p

It’ll be a different story when I get a mousepad and mouse for my left hand, 650 eDPI incoming

[deft marlin]

Me trying to strafe dogfight in midair -

[shadow minnow]

I use like 4800 dpi using laptop display

[deft marlin]

Now you just hold on a minute-

So you swipe your mouse faster than your eyes can tell your brain what it’s looking at

[shadow minnow]

In parkour you have to be able to change directions really fast if you don’t wanna stop

But not too fast or you would stop

So needs high DPI but still some control

Tbf I use smaller dpi on 27” display

[thin saffron]

I just removed unnecessary plastic. I can assure you that now it is just as robust as before, also since it weighs less, you do not need as much grip pressure. And if it fell off the table it would withstand the blow better.

[deft marlin]

Change your in game sens 🧠

like from 60% default to 40%

[stark bobcat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AoRfv9W110

you should always use the dpi you are most comfortable with

but yes higher dpi lower latency

until a point

[deft marlin]

Video has a bad rep

Some big inaccuracies have been pointed out

Although it is true latency is lower with a higher dpi, it isn’t so substantial, at least what’s perceivable as a difference

“50% less input lag”

Maybe 400 dpi has 5ms, 1600 2.5ms

You wouldn’t really be able to tell

[stark bobcat]

never claimed that

[deft marlin]

Apparently 50% less input lag is in the thumbnail and title

Optimum Tech had a look at this, it is true that sensor latency goes down with a higher DPI

One form of input ig

[stark bobcat]

yeah what I mean was I never claimed it would be noticable I just said that higher dpi will lower input latency to a point

[deft marlin]

no fucking way

GP WIN MAX 2 = gaming laptop with built in joystick/console panel

and the joysticks are hall sensor

[hardy snow]

is the wooting two he identical to the wooting 60 he but just in a full size layout? (i mean in terms of factory lube, foam dampening, stabilizers, features and sound)

[deft marlin]

factory lube yes, sound a little different and less hollow since there's an extra layer of poron foam, stabs yes

features pretty much

[hardy snow]

oh ok so the 60 he has an extra layer of foam and thats the difference?

[deft marlin]

smaller size and some noticeably different acoustics

and a new ARM MCU has been implemented

in the far future as of now, there'll be features exclusively developed for the 60HE's that have ARM

but rn the AVR MCU of the Two HE and ARM of the latest 60HE batches are on-par with each other in terms of performance

[tropic nacelle]

Finally!
I really wish Xbox controllers would use this instead of the potentiometer.

[deft marlin]

and GPD goes on to talk about that

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-confirms-amd-x670-motherboard-pricing-up-to-1300-for-meg-x670e-godlike

[shadow minnow]

That’s not even watercooled lol

Even then it would be bad

But it would at least explain it partially considering material cost

[tropic nacelle]

I mean motherboards will be more expensive with AM5 for many reasons.

Higher power delivery requirements
Socket pins rather than PGA
PCIE-5 more expensive PCB traces
DDR5 (maybe?)

Plus these are just very high end and halo products

[thick elk]

I wouldn't pay too much attention to the top of the stack
the z690 godlike doesn't differ too much in price.
However further down the stack is where it starts to hurt

[shadow minnow]

Tbf it’s not like I am getting a new mobo anytime soon

Or cpu

[thick elk]

I may just wait to the x3d refresh as the extra cache really helps the type of games I play

my 8700k@5ghz can last for a bit longer

Even if I upgrade my gpu

[tropic nacelle]

X3D is a game changer for things like factorio.

That will be my next upgrade, I'm going to wait till the second gen boards though and CPU.

Was early adopter of Ryzen and it was a fun but rocky start, I am happy with platform stability now I don't care to got through it again haha

$289 seems "reasonable" to me, has 2.5gb ethernet, WiFi, pcie5 and usb4 (another big cost I forgot!).

[shadow minnow]

Why was it even alphabet sorted before?

[rocky lantern]

entry level price seems ok yes, not like you need the fancy ones anyway unless you have money burning a hole in your pockets.

[ashen spindle]

its also only the entry for the most expensive boards, the b650 chipset is going to be half price of that for entry level

[cursive summit]

b650 seems like the only reasonable choice for AM5

I mean this is the X670E chipset, the "super premium" one

There should be the X670 non-E which should be more.. bearable

[ashen spindle]

you mean like the 290$ board in the screenshot

yea thats non E

and low end b650 starts at 125$

[cursive summit]

And it's far more affordable than the E one, so maybe there will be a ~220$ X670

[tropic nacelle]

The prices of boards definitely changed but it's not just AM5.

The Asus crosshair 6 hero was a very high end board at launch of x370 and was like $250 launch price xD

[ashen spindle]

pcie and ddr specs go up, layer count goes up for signals and thats some of the most expensive parts for a board

[tropic nacelle]

Yep, I'm sad PCIE4 was possible on the C6H but AMD blocked it later on.

It already technically was fine to run those speeds.

Looking at later x570 boards they were more expensive with good reasons mostly, so these prices don't seem like a real shock when it adds considerably more

[rocky lantern]

also, the diminishing return is huge IMHO

[ashen spindle]

well yeah, high end boards get more expensive, less people want it, they make less so it costs even more to make them

and most of them are mainly for (X)OC so you still need them even if they cost more

anything else you can usually find on lower price area boards enough

[tropic nacelle]

They are halo products really, overclocking has pretty much been nullified for most users.

Used to always be overclocking but there is such tiny gains now it's mostly pointless especially on AMD platform.

Zen 1 it was useful as you could make the 1700 clock similarly to 1700x or higher while paying significantly less

[rocky lantern]

every time I try to overclock I go back to stock settings after a couple days due to it not bringing much results. Used to be way more noticeable back in the (old) days...

[tropic nacelle]

I remember back in the day using a pencil on an old Athlon CPU to overclock it.

Those were the days where you got substantial gains!

Now it's like overclock for <5% improvement and 20% more power.

[ashen spindle]

it used to give more results, or you can say you used to not get as much from your purchase as you do now

[tropic nacelle]

That's very true, now AMD and Intel have much better binning practices and much more logic so they max out what is reasonably possible anyway.

[pale sigil]

Trying to figure out where I got this 500gb SSD is kinda irritating.

Can't find any trace of it

SanDisk are offering to replace it but I need proof of purchase

[fickle ore]

Samsung 980 PRO 1 TB for 116€ good deal rn? or something better out ther?

[cursive summit]

That's alright

[pale sigil]

Suddenly I want a psvita

[fair gull]

heatsink one or not?

MZ-V8P1T0CW should be the same price

[wheat plume]

is it normal for firefox to use 10% GPU when watching youtube?

[reef patrol]

It uses GPU to render video.

Chrome on YT.

[wheat plume]

Chrome runs youtube better, what a shocker xd

[reef patrol]

Or it's the fact that I have a 3080 😛

10% of a 3080 is a lot more than 10% of a 1660

[wheat plume]

I use Chrome for Youtube on Linux cause Firefox does not like being made into a sandboxed single webpage app

[wheat plume]

true

[halcyon moss]

egh, 10%

[ashen spindle]

or it just means % usage doesnt reflect what it actually does

because it doesnt

and it depends if you run the video with hardware acceleration or not

[reef patrol]

Does ANYONE run it without these days by default? 😄

[ashen spindle]

Some browsers do I imagine

If just for powersavings on laptops and such

[reef patrol]

But... GPU video decoding is much more efficient than CPU.

Literal hardware on chip to facilitate this.

[ashen spindle]

More efficient yes, but could be at a higher powerdraw in the moment, not looking at total usage

I turn it off sometimes because I don’t want frame drops when watching a video on my second screen lmao but that’s not most people

[reef patrol]

I refuse to believe this is the case. (i)GPU has to be more efficient - meaning the entire process including power draw compared to running it in software mode on the CPU directly.

[ashen spindle]

Likely, but i also don’t Trust Laptop makers to have the correct power settings enabled an all that

[astral haven]

Most CPUs also have that hardware

[astral haven]

Especially laptop cpus

[reef patrol]

iGPUs do. CPUs do not.

[astral haven]

And igpus are part of what... 🤦

[reef patrol]

The iGPU.

Very specifically distinct from CPU software en/decoding in this context 😄

[astral haven]

Good for it
Most CPUs still have that hardware they can use

[reef patrol]

But it isn't part of the CPU specifically.

In the exact same way that running a game with software rendering is VERY distinct from running it in hardware mode on an iGPU.

[astral haven]

By definition an igpu is part of a cpu

[reef patrol]

Context, Carmon. Context...

[ashen spindle]

what matters is if the hardware encoder setting off uses igpu or not in this case to get the video running

[astral haven]

And if you are running a laptop, unless you manually do bs, it will be using the video decode of whatever display engine the screen is electrically connected to

[reef patrol]

The laptop aspect is kind of irrelevant to the original debate here 😄

[ashen spindle]

well I dont know why I just that the last time I played DnD online I had to show 3 people where to enable hardware acceleration to run the thing better in their browser and they all had chrome

so I guess in some cases for whatever reasons the default is off

[astral haven]

Alot of old PC performance tuning guides on YouTube would say to disable stuff like that

[ashen spindle]

I dont think either of them ever went into the settings of their browser lmao

[wheat plume]

Even installers these days are calling out microsoft's shady Edge practises

[stark bobcat]

I personally had to disable hardware acceleration to be able to stream netflix to discord

Don't tell anyone tho

[wheat plume]

On firefox or discord?

[reef patrol]

Anyhow - To circle around to my initial argument.

Using actual CPU software en/decoding is slow as molasses compared to a dedicated GPU or iGPU cause they have actual chips purpose built for x265 and other popular codecs. In fact Intel's new GPUs were supposed (haha) herald a new standard here.

[astral haven]

H265 not x265
X265 is specifically a software encoder

[ashen spindle]

well, av1 is coming on both amd and nvidia cards so it will come around even with intel borking it

[reef patrol]

Eh whatever I don't do codecs. You know what I mean 😄

[pale sigil]

https://youtube.com/shorts/F-IKp6v_994?feature=share

@shadow minnow

[reef patrol]

I only care about this distinction cause I was there Gandalf, 3000 years ago when we could run games in CPU, Software mode and it SUCKED, but it would let us play Half-life and Counterstrike before iGPU's were a thing (and when it was, they were part of the motherboard)

Putting -any- graphics card no matter how shitty basically was a net gain, cause the CPU was 80% cooler in comparison and could spend its precious cycles on other things than trying its best to understand polygons and primitive shaders 😄

Getting my Geforce 256 was such a game changer.

[stark bobcat]

Summary can't watch

[shadow minnow]

Cringe

Baiting views from the apple event

But well, shorts are really popular nowadays

[reef patrol]

He lives in glorious USA - He has to pay for the insane medical bills for his son somehow.

(May contain traces of nuts and/or sarcasm and judgement)

[stark bobcat]

Idk I wouldn't judge people for the place they are born in

[shadow minnow]

But I am surprised how popular YouTube shorts in my country are, one YouTubers I used to watch long long before suddenly got big by just posting 10 YouTube shorts

[stark bobcat]

I like shorts it's like tiktok but I don't have to go on tiktok

[wheat plume]

[astral haven]

Also something of note is that CPUs themselves have included media processing instructions for a while now

You'd be surprised how often mjpeg is used as a video codec on the internet, and that has CPU instructions dedicated to it

[astral haven]

Decompression fam

[wheat plume]

true true...

[stark bobcat]

How is the dbrand steamdeck case not out yet

I love their grip phone case

[chrome estuary]

wanna see some shit @wheat plume

[stark bobcat]

Let me give you my money dbrand

[chrome estuary]

there ya go

[wheat plume]

🤔 what app this?!

[chrome estuary]

372mb/s disk usage

decompressing a large file.

[wheat plume]

oh gosh

[chrome estuary]

i've seen it almost peak 400 as well as hit about 6gb ram usage.

[wheat plume]

o.o dafuq you be decompressing?>

[reef patrol]

This is what installing a game looks like 😄

[chrome estuary]

yeah...

[wheat plume]

ohmy

I assume by manual means and not Steam or whatever

xd

[reef patrol]

Your CPU can literally be a bottleneck when it comes to downloading from Steam.

[chrome estuary]

yarr harr and all that with a heavily compressed file to an uncompressed

we're talking about 10+gb compression.

[wheat plume]

I need to transfer this to my Deck once its downloaded...

[chrome estuary]

mind you thankfully the 5600 is a good processor and this is running fairly fast, only taking about 10min to uncompress in total

[stark bobcat]

Playing shooter on steamdeck

[wheat plume]

Yeah, I wanna give gyro aiming a proper go

on a better handheld than the laggy switch

and Infinite Warfare is Verified... .

[chrome estuary]

i just wish the steam deck was laid out a little differently tbh

[stark bobcat]

Gyro is cool buuuut the deck is rather large

[wheat plume]

yeh... xd its light though

so it makes up for it

feels the same heft as the switch in hand to me, well slightly more heavy but not much

and a lot nicer to hold than Switch

[stark bobcat]

Idk how I'd feel about waving around the steamdeck

[chrome estuary]

ngl the switch with a controller case is fuckin nice

[stark bobcat]

I usually don't hold it up for long periods of time either

[chrome estuary]

it feels a hell of a lot more solid, doesn't feel like you're about to snap the joycons right off, gives a more comfortable grip

[stark bobcat]

Holding the switch feels like I am learning how people who had to write on those tiny blackboards must have felt

[wheat plume]

more LTT Screwdriver vids

[frozen ingot]

bet they loving the free advertisement

[tropic nacelle]

Why is it being talked about so much?

Is it even good? $70 for a basic screwdriver with bits seems insane unless I've missed a selling point.

[frozen ingot]

am sure its good

it better fucking be for $70

[tropic nacelle]

I would assume it's just cheap Chinese rebranded crap to be honest

[ashen spindle]

so why speculate if you have no clue what it is instead of looking up what it is...

[frozen ingot]

if it was I think someone would have already called it out by now

[tropic nacelle]

That's why I asked xD

[ashen spindle]

based on the project farm video it basically is a 70$ part that is almost equal to a 140$ screwdriver

from the project farm video

[vivid vine]

I mean it was in development for 3 years, so it better be a dam good screwdriver for a dam good price

[tropic nacelle]

Who is project farm? Is that meant to be a well respected place for screwdriver views?

[ashen spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=845HUaWYSQA

[frozen ingot]

he does a lot of in-depth testing on many things

[tropic nacelle]

First ive heard of him thanks

[frozen ingot]

buying that to europe and it'll probably end up costing twice of $70

[vivid vine]

I have the EK-Loop Torque driver and then I just own a iFixit's Mako set

[thick elk]

I kind of want to like project farm but 9-10 times his content is not applicable to Europe.

Also his final score is not that great a metric but his individual tests are still quite solid.

Bit retention strenght for example sucks if it is really weak but past a certain point o longer matters.

[ashen spindle]

yeah thats why its nice its not just the score but a table with all results

[pale sigil]

Macs can't game, not even the game they were showing off at the apple event

[thick elk]

yea, just tthe screenshot shows the place they finished not the actual score.

[ashen spindle]

huh

[ashen spindle]

this does show the score so im not sure what you refer to

ohh you mean the score in the test

ok yeah

yeah that would be nice, but you can still guess some things, like LTT is going to be a good option to screw in case screw, not the best if you press a screw into a metal wall because the lock is not as strong to make the ratcheting better

[astral haven]

It's a great option for pairing with an impact lel

[fair gull]

i like him mainly cause its just smth i let run in the background

[thick elk]

Another thing to consider in europe the pbswiss is significantly cheaper than in the us.
Just looked for one without case and bits.
Like € 60 for the base thing vs € 100 ish for the ltt one

sure wit the case and bits it moves to the same € 100 mark but still

[fair gull]

ngl the only fancy bigger screwdriver i got is a wera torque screwdriver

the others are thermaltake fan ones with a 20cm blade or smth

[shadow minnow]

Well obviously it can’t run the game that isn’t ready for it, in apple event they clearly said it’s being worked on

I still didn’t hear how many fps do you get with BSL ultra, heightmaps enabled, realistico at 1440p 16 render distance

[pale sigil]

On my deck?

[shadow minnow]

Can be, actually really curious how would a deck run that now that you say it

[cursive summit]

pbswiss is cheaper here?

I guess it's swiss, so europe

[thick elk]

Yea, especially if you use your own bits instead of getting the bundle.
It's by no means cheap but still.

[cursive summit]

Can't find one here

[ashen spindle]

its still more if you include the bits and such to have a closer comparison, though not the entire 140$ that the reviews cite

[cursive summit]

Yeah idk which exact one he was reviewing

There are tons of pbswiss screwdrivers

[thick elk]

True, I find them at multiple places for € 109, seems they like to use expensive bits.

[ashen spindle]

not that it really matters since they still offer different things, pb doesnt have a bits holder for example

[thick elk]

8510.r-100

[shadow minnow]

Can be, actually really curious how would a deck run that now that you say it

[cursive summit]

The main takeaway lads is

Buy a 10$ ratcheter and be happy with your life

[ashen spindle]

no the takeaway is get the tool that fits your need

if its 10$ get that, if its 150$ get that

[cursive summit]

https://pb-direct.eu/detail.asp?Lang=3&Prod=110080 cool?

[thick elk]

I personally prefer not having them inside the screwdriver in general as I tend to keep the bits close by.
but yea, I just use a chinese set with smaller bits most of the time.

[cursive summit]

Ah found one for 83 euros

[ashen spindle]

exactly, some want the bitholder some like you prefer to not use that

[cursive summit]

Unless LTT starts shipping from Europe, imo none of their merch is worth buying in EU

The VAT kills their products

[ashen spindle]

you mean import, vat isn't something only in europse

or shipping

[cursive summit]

Yeah import costs, customs

You add specific tariffs, VAT, etc

Here it'd amount to like 24% or so on top of the store price

[ashen spindle]

yes, vat is added even in canada so your local vat being applied instead doesnt change that

[thick elk]

Basically the kit I tend to use for most electronics stuff.
Does the job nicely.

[cursive summit]

GN should make a screwdriver of their own

Kick LTT's ass

[thick elk]

...?

[ashen spindle]

you know they already have a toolkit yes?

[pale sigil]

Can be, actually really curious how would a deck run that now that you say it

[cursive summit]

They have a toolkit, but not a ratcheting screwdriver toolkit

[shadow minnow]

Blame uk mobile data

[mild dome]

$10 ratchet drivers break nearly instantly when I use them. I would be ok with Linus' driver if it lasts a good number of years

Just get sick of replacing tools so often

[cursive summit]

Heh?

Mine was 10$, bought it 2 years ago

[mild dome]

They break

[cursive summit]

Survived 3 construction jobs

Still doing well

[mild dome]

It's a hit and miss depending on the brand probably, what did you get?

[cursive summit]

Stalwart

[ashen spindle]

yes and we literally have no comparison unless you can reproduce the wear the same way on another screwdriver so its just your anecdotal experience

[cursive summit]

Dunno if it's a brand, or just chinese stuff

[mild dome]

I live near an ocean, so that probably induces corrosion pretty quickly in the cheap stuff

[thick elk]

And that's the point of buying something better, the chinese tool may last, but you really don't know.

[mild dome]

Also, I think I got one of these stalwarts before, lasted 2 weeks. :/

[cursive summit]

That's sad, I like my little stalwart

Maybe the problem's not the tool, but you?

Not throwing shade, just asking

[mild dome]

All my other tools last, as I said I live near an ocean, so cheap things tend to corrode pretty fast.
Pictured: Stalwart I got a long while ago

[cursive summit]

That looks complicated

My boy is just a simple

Random image I found on the net

[thick elk]

I remember having one like these in a kit once, that did not last long at all the bendy ones gears just disintegrated

[mild dome]

Yeah I think it came with something else, got it so long ago I don't event remember

My old reliable was this one
$35AUD, lasted 2 year. pretty nice

If I ever got the LTT driver it would need to outlast that thing by 4 times to cover the driver cost, and shipping cost
It's possibly it could, but I think I might wait incase there's an update to the design that needs to be made

[fair gull]

i mainly use ifixit kit

whatever they call it nowadays

[tropic nacelle]

In UK the price for importing the LTT one would make it around £107 including vat, shipping and service charge for customs.

You can get the PB one for £115 in some places delivered so it's definitely sounds like better value in US than UK but that's expected!

[ashen spindle]

it's only the case that it needs to outlast by 4 times as long if you value it the exact same and not account for it costing more but also offering either better usability, feeling, efficiency etc.

[wheat plume]

is there a way to make Winget ignore the Discord update? cause it does not need to update Discord and fails everytime it tries cause Discord updates itself

[thick elk]

Use the browser version

don't use windows

[wheat plume]

im using windows to test system stability rn, cause everytime I boot up the computer, I get a bluescreen and then it reboots normally like nothing happens

Odd

[ashen spindle]

that sounds like you have more pressing issues than a discord update...

[wheat plume]

yeh...

I know

the PSU I suspect ;-;

cause mom's constant turning the power off when she gets pissed at me

[crimson wigeon]

I also had a lot of BSODs recently. Ended up with an unbootable Windows so reinstall time it was, fun!

[wheat plume]

:/

[fair gull]

and u didnt try fixing the bsods?

[fair gull]

PSUs dont cause bsods

if its the PSU it just turns off no BSOD

[shadow minnow]

Well

[crimson wigeon]

Well I figured out what triggered them (launching a certain game) and then decided that I'll deal with it later. Windows was then unbootable when I decided to deal with it

[fair gull]

"unbootable" or unbootable

[shadow minnow]

If the PSU was regulating voltage really badly, and it kept changing by a noticeable amount quite often it could cause issues

But that’s kinda unlikely to happen I suppose

[crimson wigeon]

I see the typical Windows bootup, then when it's time for login screen computor just reboots

[fair gull]

still would 99% of the cases just turn off or cause a hard reboot

[crimson wigeon]

Startup repair then complains it can't fix shit

[fair gull]

thats when u actually read the logs

[shadow minnow]

Yeah

[crimson wigeon]

And then I yolo system restored that didn't help and thought welp I've already spent some time trying to figure this shit out a reinstall will just be faster

Oh and even safe mode was an immediate BSOD

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/vaufxRtl31o

This shit is massive... wtf

[crimson wigeon]

Not big enough

[ashen spindle]

bigger to see the android tablet issues easier

[wheat plume]

LOL

The shade is real

[crimson wigeon]

What you mean you don't want phone interface but bigger?!

[wheat plume]

There is a rumor Google want to make a Pixel tablet next year

[ashen spindle]

mhh yeah after what I hear the latest pixel phones have with issues, I dont think thats helping lmao

[wheat plume]

I loved the Nexus 7 2013 edition <3 amazing tablet

but yeah, iPadOS is top tier for tablets

[pale sigil]

Hmmmmm

It 5:13

[ashen spindle]

its 10am pt so in 50 minutes

idk what the 5pm is from

[shadow minnow]

I still haven’t arrived

[tropic nacelle]

Haha 🤣 this reminds me of my childhood FML.

My mum would flip the fuse for power upstairs if I did anything wrong, it was devastating in the middle of a match or on a game like silkroad online which at the time I spent literally hours in a queue to get on the server...

That's a traumatic flashback xD

[cursive summit]

Another apple event?

[pale sigil]

You have an iphone

[cursive summit]

So iPhone 14 announcement?

[wheat plume]

;-;

[cursive summit]

What else could they do

New Apple Watch?

A new updated ipad mini and pro?

[thick elk]

New apple monitor stand?

[cursive summit]

If those didn't sell out day 1, idk what people were doing

[ashen spindle]

3rd generation chip on the same tsmc node so be ready for a nice 5-10% total increase, wow!

[cursive summit]

Missing out on such collectable scrap from apple

[tropic nacelle]

A new limited edition stand for their monitor at 2x the last price?

[ashen spindle]

probably less new stuff and more getting in line with features other phones have, better screen refresh rates, better battery hopefully

[cursive summit]

What iphone is even the current one

13?

[tropic nacelle]

I assume it would be for their lower end phones as the current iPhone 13 pro have 120hz already

[wheat plume]

ye

[cursive summit]

I don't see iPhone 14 as being anything else but a small upgrade

15 is the one shaping to be weird

[wheat plume]

watch now, 15 uses M1

[cursive summit]

Although 14 might have an USB-C charger by default

[wheat plume]

somehow fits it into a phone

removes the charging port to make room

[cursive summit]

Aren't they using M1 on phones?

[wheat plume]

no

iPads yes

[ashen spindle]

basically

[cursive summit]

What are they using?

[wheat plume]

Bionic still

[cursive summit]

Ah, so A15

[shadow minnow]

And?

[ashen spindle]

its not the same chip but AX and MX are both similar tech

[cursive summit]

Degenerate

But that's fine

[wheat plume]

M1 is to AX like Google Tensor is to Samsung Exynos?

[shadow minnow]

Quintosh also has one I think, maybe even Doge

[cursive summit]

I have not heard of Quin having a phone in general

[ashen spindle]

no mx to ax is like intel desktop to intel mobile on the same generation

[wheat plume]

o.o

ah

[shadow minnow]

Also M1 has a lot of tiers

The highest one has way more cores than just M1

[ashen spindle]

intel has confusing names like i7-12756G7 and nobody knows why its 7 at the end or anything, apple has way too simple names and calls everything the same lmao

[shadow minnow]

Ngl m1 naming is hard to figure out once you forget it

I remember pro and max

But what’s next?

[cursive summit]

Okay let's be real, that is not a real part

[wheat plume]

Pro Max

[cursive summit]

But close enough

[ashen spindle]

sorry its i7-1185g7

[cursive summit]

I like that name

What's wrong with that

[shadow minnow]

It’s more like a password

[ashen spindle]

why are the options the end P or G7

like why not just P or G, where is the 7 from

[cursive summit]

Didn't they abandon G7 now

That was an Iris Xe thing

They now have P for Alder

[ashen spindle]

idk I dont think intel iknows

[cursive summit]

Xe was split into G5 and G7 mostly

Now they use their new arch I guess on alder lake for iGPUs?

Wtf is it called, alchemist?

Oh shit

They still use Iris Xe

Yeah even I don't know at this point

[shadow minnow]

Early online apple events had better soundtracks

[pale sigil]

No ipad stuff?

Kinda don't care already

[shadow minnow]

iPad is later

[pale sigil]

They said 3 devices

[shadow minnow]

Noo why apple

[shadow minnow]

I mean in the year

[pale sigil]

Oh then I'm not gonna bother

[ashen spindle]

if they go to B then C I like it

[crisp granite]

huh

Any more details on MacOS Ventura?

[crisp granite]

Ultra

M1
M1 pro
M1 max
M1 ultra

I just got the pro, because I don’t really need all the power the max or ultra has, but I really wanted that delicious 14” chassis

[shadow minnow]

Mini led

[crisp granite]

Way better than the M1 air or 13” pros

[shadow minnow]

Finally Apple Watch has a temp sensor

[pale sigil]

Bored

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/y1WgyR4c-4A

Clever xd

[shadow minnow]

Can’t say the cinematic aren’t good too

[pale sigil]

That watch is a thicc boi

[shadow minnow]

Yeah

There were rumors about display like this but squared edges

Bet it’s gonna get more battery life

Ofcourse

[pale sigil]

36 hours

[shadow minnow]

So double of normal one, guessed that exactly lol

[pale sigil]

Following that M1 processor philosophy

[shadow minnow]

Don’t wanna see the price tag

But like for some people it’s quite cool I suppose

[pale sigil]

Why does apple have to be shit towards android

I've always wanted an apple watch but it's literally useless with android

[cursive summit]

Just don't buy an apple watch

Shit ton of watch companies out there

[shadow minnow]

Shit ton of other kb companies out there too

But there is a reason people choose wooting as there is people choose apple

[pale sigil]

Nothing is as good out there

[cursive summit]

Are you comparing apple to wooting???

[shadow minnow]

Small garage started company

[wheat plume]

Google Pixel Watch xd

Apparently someone looked into leaked code and there is code for a hint that will appear suggesting to charge the watch overnight
So people are speculating it'll have really shit battery life

[shadow minnow]

Like if I was doing climbing or sth which is kinda cool thing, I would definitely want this Apple Watch ngl

[pale sigil]

Google pixel watch is shit compared to apple watch

[wheat plume]

Ye

[shadow minnow]

It’s same as before, but the better version is double the battery life

[pale sigil]

They couldn't even make their own shit, instead they just bought rights to use that other company tech

[shadow minnow]

And there is low battery mode that doubles that

[pale sigil]

Fitbit

[wheat plume]

Show me the new apple watch

I'm not watching the event

[pale sigil]

There's two

[shadow minnow]

Well three

I think

Or?

[pale sigil]

Apple watch ultra is big boi

[cursive summit]

I like how visiting smartwatch subreddits, literally nobody picks apple watch

[pale sigil]

Pretty much hardcore use in any environment

[cursive summit]

It's either fitbits or galaxy watches

Neither I'd ever buy tbf

I had a 600 euro watch back in like 2016

[cursive summit]

Couldn't bother with the feeling of having shit on my wrist

[shadow minnow]

I wish Apple Watch ultra was useful for me ngl

[cursive summit]

Never wore a watch ever again

[pale sigil]

@shadow minnow when you getting new air pods?

[shadow minnow]

Definitely

[cursive summit]

More like when will he stop buying shit tech

[pale sigil]

Stream compression is hurting my soul

[shadow minnow]

Watching on YouTube?

[pale sigil]

We

Ye

[shadow minnow]

Try apple site

[pale sigil]

Watching on tv

[ashen spindle]

I like how apple is 48 THOUSAND TIMES PER SECOND like, ok so your instructions runs at 48kHz, ok

[shadow minnow]

Well it’s transparency mode changing audio 48k times a second, that is kinda cool

[ashen spindle]

hahahahahhahahha here it is, the "we are an eco friendly company, trust us" slide

[pale sigil]

Notch

[shadow minnow]

Why no waterproof mention AirPods Pro 2

[pale sigil]

This is why I'll never own an iphone

Awful

[shadow minnow]

Well we didn’t see pros yet

[pale sigil]

Ah yes pay to remove notch, forgot.

[shadow minnow]

Maybe we will see

I mean you can get SE

[pale sigil]

That lockscreen is nice

Is that new?

Why don't they just put the M1 in their phones.

[shadow minnow]

I think it would be worse

Would have to be very under locked

And take up ton of space

[pale sigil]

It already is

[shadow minnow]

Well battery would get even smaller

[pale sigil]

It already is

[wheat plume]

WHY IS THE CAMERA STIL 12MP

COME ON APPLE FFS

[shadow minnow]

Why not?

Why would you need more than 4K on a phone

[frozen ingot]

megapixels is 90% marketing blah

[shadow minnow]

^

[ashen spindle]

why put a chip into the phones thats like twice as large and has features you dont need in a phone and more power drain

[shadow minnow]

True

[frozen ingot]

putting more megapixels into a tiny ass sensor like you have on a phone doesn't automatically yield better photos

[pale sigil]

As per usual nothing new.

[shadow minnow]

Pro is what I wanna see

[pale sigil]

Nothing significant anyway.

[wheat plume]

They are advertising AUTOFOCUS????? LOL

[pale sigil]

Tbf autofocus is kinda shit in a lot of phones

I just don't get it

Why bother with this phone when it's essentially the same as one 3 or 4 years ago

[frozen ingot]

the touch to focus on a particular spot works quite well most of the time in my iphone 11 imo

[shadow minnow]

Well what should have they changed?

[vivid vine]

I upgrade my iphone every like 3-4 years.. when they actually make some changes

[pale sigil]

Just make the base phone as good as the last year's pro, even then I still won't get it.

[wheat plume]

Touch to Focus is literally how Android has done it for years, apart from it auto-focusing if you dont tap

[pale sigil]

isn't very good though

[frozen ingot]

quite sure every smartphone has done it for ages, but the results can vary quite a bit depending on phone/sensor manufacturer and the software

[shadow minnow]

256g

Sounds a bit deadly

[wheat plume]

RIP SIM TRAY 🤦‍♀️

[frozen ingot]

same, used to do it every 2 years but the changes have been so meagre the last 5 years so am not doing that shit anymore

[pale sigil]

I somehow missed the sim part

What did they do

[shadow minnow]

Same

[frozen ingot]

all I really want from a new phone these days is better camera and maybe screen, everything else a several year old phone usually do just fine

[shadow minnow]

And better battery life

[pale sigil]

I mostly care about battery

[vivid vine]

I was on a iphone 8 plus until about 2 months ago upgraded to a 13pro

[ashen spindle]

it's just that the US models come with esim as the default now, idk why that is bad

[shadow minnow]

Emergency sos via satellite, I remember leaks about that last year

[ashen spindle]

whats the bad part about it?

[wheat plume]

eSIMs are shit

[shadow minnow]

Why?

[pale sigil]

One thing I'll admit with apple is their health and emergency stuff is leagues ahead of anyone else.... Ive always loved the watch stuff and the new satellite thing is neat

[frozen ingot]

I'll probably hold on to my 11 until it dies or battery gets so bad it can't survive half a days use

[wheat plume]

the plans are also expensive and not good

[shadow minnow]

Ikr

[ashen spindle]

the plans are literally the same though?

[shadow minnow]

For me plans are same too

[pale sigil]

eSIMS just don't exist in the UK really and cost more

Hopefully this changes that

[frozen ingot]

tbh I think both apple and google are awful companies and I'd prefer supporting neither of them with my money or data

[ashen spindle]

thats fair

[wheat plume]

they barely exist here, no carrier here has them yet

[shadow minnow]

I use an eSim but I forgot for which carrier

[frozen ingot]

I just loathe google a bit more for x reasons

[shadow minnow]

I think for my Slovak one and my uk sim is normal?

[vivid vine]

I just want the cell companies to let me take off my phone and just pay for my watch line, I never really use my phone when Im out anymore

[frozen ingot]

I don't have much against android as an OS, I've owned both platforms and there's stuff I like and miss on both platforms

[shadow minnow]

Free for two years?

Oof

So not forever

[ashen spindle]

now this something to make fun of again

[frozen ingot]

googles spying shenanigans and overall user policies just creeps me out, apple might do the same but at least they're less obvious about it

[ashen spindle]

more bullshit about being 100% green

[shadow minnow]

Well it’s better if there wasn’t the bs

Puts a bit of pressure on other companies and brings a bit of awareness

[ashen spindle]

disagree, if they pretended less bs there would be more actual pressure

[pale sigil]

"starts at just $899"

[ashen spindle]

799

[shadow minnow]

Same as last year

For same model

[pale sigil]

The pro

[shadow minnow]

You already see pro?

[ashen spindle]

plus you mean

[pale sigil]

She said starting just at

Plus

Sorry

[shadow minnow]

Well compared to other high end phones price not increasing is actually nice

Just hope they don’t increase pro price

Tbf I don’t care if they aren’t blue

Pro time

Color I am not interested in at first

[pale sigil]

Well shit

It's a phone

Imagine that

No notch

Kinda

[shadow minnow]

I think I prefer notch

[vivid vine]

The pro has a pill punch out

Ewwwww

[shadow minnow]

If they don’t make it in blue I’ll be very unhappy

Yeah

Smh

[vivid vine]

No thank you, as much as people rag on the Notch I dislike the Hole/Pill style punchout

[shadow minnow]

Why apple

Why

Why not blue

[pale sigil]

Ain't even punchhole

[vivid vine]

How is it not punchhole? It has screen above the pill?

Do you not understand what Punchhole is ?

[pale sigil]

It's still a notch

Physical one

Just snsller

Smaller

[vivid vine]

Lol you can't make your own classification up to fit your opinion

This is a punchhole

Lol no changing that

[pale sigil]

I'm a little confused ngl

[shadow minnow]

Why is it not blue I don’t get it

Blue was a popular color

[pale sigil]

Is that a digital notch

Nice one phone

[ashen spindle]

no

they just made ios use that area for notifications to hide it so it uses the space better

[pale sigil]

Then how is this any different to previous notch

[ashen spindle]

its not a notch

[shadow minnow]

Definition of it is still not a notch

[ashen spindle]

you might like it the same or more or less, but its a punchhole

[pale sigil]

Just looks like they cut out some of the screen

[shadow minnow]

Just like every punchole

[vivid vine]

@pale sigil that is literally what a punchole is

LMFAO

Im dying

[pale sigil]

I'm just super confused with the logic behind their choice

[shadow minnow]

What should have they done instead?

[ashen spindle]

simple, they want to make use of having some more screen estate above it to combine it with the notification island to make it feel more integrated

idk I think its a good use

[pale sigil]

It looks so baddddd

[ashen spindle]

better than not doing anything with it

[shadow minnow]

It looks bad but I think I would get used to it

If it was in blue

Apple

[ashen spindle]

get a blue case for it then jesus

[shadow minnow]

Not as good, even front camera on blue iPhone has blue in it

[ashen spindle]

be happy apple helps you save money then

[shadow minnow]

4nm so no 3nm

[ashen spindle]

obviously

3nm is mega poop

[vivid vine]

Honestly all puncholes look nasty to me, #NotchGang

Why punch a hole in a perfectly good screen, stupid

[ashen spindle]

gotta stay on 5nm till mid next year

[shadow minnow]

Yes yes good performance cool

But why not blue

[ashen spindle]

bruh

[frozen ingot]

the notch doesn't bother me at all tbh

[vivid vine]

@shadow minnow my man is really hurt they didn't come with blue

[frozen ingot]

I don't get why some people find it such a big deal

[ashen spindle]

I gotta be honest I dont even remember what color my iphone 6s and need to look at it to be sure lmao

[wheat plume]

the most advanced display on a phone, ever
Apple - Talking about the Always On Display feature

[frozen ingot]

when am using my phone I'm too focused on the content on the screen to be bothered with a notch

[shadow minnow]

Which they invented btw

[misty saffron]

they didn't say that

they said it's the best display they've put in a phone

[wheat plume]

Well
Tbey did say most advanced phone screen

[misty saffron]

no

[shadow minnow]

Worse aperture because it’s 48MP smh, should have been 16MP

[wheat plume]

They never mentioned just the best on iphone
They meant all phones

[misty saffron]

no

[shadow minnow]

This is why I hate higher MP, makes other stuff worse

[misty saffron]

i specifically listened for that because i was curious what they'd say

you are wrong

[shadow minnow]

Less natural blur in distance

[frozen ingot]

apple always just say "this is the best iphone yet" like no shit sherlock its supposed to be better than the previous one

[ashen spindle]

dont underestimate idiots, they would believe it could be worse

[misty saffron]

cough the new galaxy folds cough

[frozen ingot]

ew folding phones

[tropic nacelle]

the new fold is better though?

[misty saffron]

in what sense?

[shadow minnow]

Pretty disappointing, telephoto no 48mp

[misty saffron]

i don't remember

[tropic nacelle]

better camera, better battery, better screen tech for substantially better battery life

[frozen ingot]

that's like saying diarrhea is better than being constipated though

neither is good

[ashen spindle]

its fun to see how they talk about M1/2 forever yet have basically no new chip upgrades in the phones yet lmao

[tropic nacelle]

depends, if im at home or out?

[true quest]

constipation all the way

[tropic nacelle]

I like the concept of folding phones but its too early right now, its not bad if you want it though and happy to pay the early adopters tax

[shadow minnow]

Well A15 was way better than A14

[pale sigil]

Still pretty underwelming

[ashen spindle]

yeah and all they put into this slide is that the a16 exists lmao

[frozen ingot]

it sounds great on paper sure

[shadow minnow]

True

[frozen ingot]

but every effort so far is just...ergh

[shadow minnow]

No blue, telephoto not 48MP

[ashen spindle]

all I care about is battery really so I need to wait for 3rd party data anyway

[frozen ingot]

you'll get that horrible flexy plasticky screen "glass"

that scratches super easily and leaves visible creasing at the fold point after not very long

[tropic nacelle]

I mean a lot of people put plastic screen protectors on their screen so....

[misty saffron]

flume in the ad

[shadow minnow]

I think it may be too, hz and res is same, and it has higher brightness than any other phone I can think of

[frozen ingot]

yeah I fucking hate screen protectors too

looks so bad

[wheat plume]

Advanced display != It reaches higher brightness

[shadow minnow]

Well if everything else is same as competition and brightness higher it would make it the best seen in any phone

[misty saffron]

stopped caring about phone cases and screen protectors 4 years ago

best decision of my life

[shadow minnow]

Or well most advanced

[tropic nacelle]

it why i love flat glass screens as its simple to put glass protector ontop.

However I did have some plastic one on my Pixel 6 Pro as a temporary thing and tbh its way better than I ever expected, it was very aceptable

[shadow minnow]

I had a glass screen protector but it felt worse than the sapphire glass

[misty saffron]

the sapphire glass?

[frozen ingot]

I haven't had any on my own phones because I didn't like how it looked/felt on any phone I've seen it on or tried using

[tropic nacelle]

i doubt that makes a noticeable difference sorry

[frozen ingot]

stopped bothering with cases too because every case I've owned has made the phone fatter and cheaper feeling

[shadow minnow]

Nvm ceramic glass or whatever is it called

[pale sigil]

Idk why they are showing off action mode... It's far from new.

[shadow minnow]

Okay price didn’t increase

Cool but

[ashen spindle]

better stabilisation they said

[misty saffron]

can't wait to cop the new iphone with no import tax

[shadow minnow]

I am definitely getting the AirPods but the iPhone Meh

[shadow minnow]

How?

[misty saffron]

russia

[ashen spindle]

dont you already have one of the latest iphones

why do you need to upgrade

[misty saffron]

11 pro max, no

[tropic nacelle]

im surprised you can even get it xD

[shadow minnow]

I don’t but my father does so this time could switch it and instead of me getting his old phone could give him my current one and get the new one. Since fathers phone broke and now he is using an older one

[vivid vine]

I just want a new Watch

give two shits less about a phone

[shadow minnow]

The changes are too small, if this was last year I would probably get it

But meh, not even in blue

[ashen spindle]

you know you're supposed to look at the screen when using a phone yea?

[frozen ingot]

all I know is am never buying a phone in black again

I lose the fucking thing like 5 times a day at home

it just blends into the surroundings

[vivid vine]

https://tenor.com/view/raise-eyebrow-sexy-flirt-gif-6116268

Get a watch then you can ping it

[frozen ingot]

I tried that find my iphone beep but the fuckin thing doesn't beep just vibrates

not sure why

[misty saffron]

why would you get a boring color

[pale sigil]

I wish I could get a watch

But I can't

Because apple are assholes

[misty saffron]

phones are a fashion item of sorts nowadays

pick a fun color to match

[frozen ingot]

multibillion dollar company being cunts? am shocked I tell you

[misty saffron]

still impressed by what they had done

with the punchhole

do that on an android phone

[tropic nacelle]

what the hell is that

[pale sigil]

My friend wanrs to sell his s21 ultra

[tropic nacelle]

a notch thats even worse

[pale sigil]

And get the pro

Idk why

[pale sigil]

Agreed

[tropic nacelle]

i would just prefer a normal bezel is that just so damn hard

[ashen spindle]

yeah, I can understand if you think its worse than a notch, but regardless what they did with it is quite impressive

[pale sigil]

Hate then all but damn the old one is already more appealing

[frozen ingot]

I rather like how the front is black and makes the screen seamlessly blend into it when shut off

[pale sigil]

Oh ye its pretty cool what they've done

[tropic nacelle]

whats impressive? genuionely

[misty saffron]

the ui elements embracing the notch