🔌│tech

[fickle ore]

Ye but my gpu is 56c, it's nice and chill

On the other hand it's 8c outside rip

[final flame]

the issues come from constantly heating up the gpu to that temp then bringing it back down after you're done with whatever you're doing

[fickle ore]

so ur saying bringing my gpu from 20c to 56c is better than 20c->> 80c and back

[tropic nacelle]

The trick is to keep it constantly at that temp :).

That's why I find it funny when people tell others to not buy secondhand GPUs because it could have been used for mining as if it is more wearing than norm usage as it's not. They stay cool and full load so less likely to cause solder contact issues.

[stark bobcat]

depends on the gpu model

espc with eth mining memory can often degrade on 3080s if it wasn't cooled correctly

[astral haven]

Also mining doesn't actually put that much of a load on the gpu

[stark bobcat]

and lets not mention readeon 7s

[mild dome]

Some systems can as an example suffer "pump out" Where the copper expanding and contracting pushes the thermal paste off the die

[astral haven]

And this has been tested in controlled environments when?

[stark bobcat]

anecdotal as alway

s

[astral haven]

That doesn't matter, you want as little thermal paste as possible

[tropic nacelle]

Speculation, ive seen zero proof of this.

It's like saying your dram dies because you had chrome open all the time compared to someone who uses edge or something xD

[mild dome]

It literally does matter, because pump out replaces the solder with airgaps

[stark bobcat]

that isnt the point

the point is that they have the vram on the back

it isnt cooled

[astral haven]

Thats not how it works for cpus

[mild dome]

Yes it does

[astral haven]

Nope
That's the 3090

[tropic nacelle]

3090 does but 3080 does not.

[astral haven]

[citation needed]

[stark bobcat]

whoops wrong model my bad

[astral haven]

And the 3090 memory thermal throttles if nescessary

[fickle ore]

What about copper oxidation rate; is it linear as temperature increases?

[mild dome]

https://koolingmonster.com/insights/what-is-thermal-paste-pump-out-on-a-cpu-and-a-gpu

[tropic nacelle]

But still most are undervolted as you are an idiot if you mined properly with stock clocks. Power usage is dropped significantly with undervolting for mining as I did for both my Vega 64 and 3080

[astral haven]

That's not a study of it, that's an article written in speculation

[stark bobcat]

I wouldn't exactly say bringing silicon to the point where it throttles is a good idea but I ve never done so and not seen any tests

[ashen spindle]

The article you link says basically no desktop cpu has that issue btw

[astral haven]

In fact this is also just a marketing article for some thermal paste lel

"Another option is to use the KOLD-01 thermal paste. This one comes with a unique rheological design, and the paste becomes more solid without applying any force. If you apply extra force, the paste becomes fluid. Since it’s more solid than regular thermal paste when no extra force is applied, this option can help to mitigate the pump-out effect. It has a viscosity with spreading force of 100Pa-s and viscosity without spreading force of 1,200Pa-s. What this shows is that the force does make a difference"

Ffs lmao
People falling for the oldest marketing trick in the book

[stark bobcat]

kooling

kold

[mild dome]

I just took the first article from google
https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLaptops/comments/qyr2rx/in_case_if_you_are_wondering_what_pump_out/

[stark bobcat]

that's a laptop

[astral haven]

And the thermal paste wasn't pumped out lmao

[ashen spindle]

desktop CPUs won’t have major pump-out issues, if any at all.

it talks about the effect on processors that have no lid, aka direct die cooling

[tropic nacelle]

That's just stock paste xD.

I'm sorry but most stock applications will be like that as it's better to have MORE rather than not enough paste in assembly.

[astral haven]

Yea
Also in theory the right amount of paste between the CPU and cooler is zero
You want the paste to pump out

[stark bobcat]

direct die cooling lmfao

[mild dome]

Ok here, an actual research paper
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/3899700_An_accelerated_reliability_test_method_to_predict_thermal_grease_pump-out_in_flip-chip_applications

[tropic nacelle]

Yep the force of the heatsink clamped to ihs is all that's needed you want the paste to fill any voids that's it, the rest is rightly pumped out haha

[final flame]

the whole reason why paste exists is because there will always be imperfections on either the cooler or dye

paste will fill those in

[mild dome]

Laptops, and tablets can suffer badly from pump out. As they have direct silicon to copper heatsinks

[astral haven]

[citation needed]

[final flame]

ideally you'd have perfect contact between the dye and cooler but that's impossible with current tech

[mild dome]

Literally just gave you one

[astral haven]

Nope

[mild dome]

There we go fellas
The entire study is refuted with a nope

[astral haven]

That paper is the exact opposite of what you actually were trying to proove

[tropic nacelle]

That looks like it only looks at how temperature changes between time/cycles?

Of course temp changes because the paste cures eventually, most stock paste is like that regardless of its usage.

[ashen spindle]

yeah the study is not about what you are trying to prove with it

[fickle ore]

lower temp the better, why fight over specifics

:3

[mild dome]

Pump out is caused by cycles, and induces higher temps. It's the reason laptops need thicker pastes, as thinner pastes get pushed out too easily and get roasted

[tropic nacelle]

Low temp is better but it's not exactly much difference, it depends entirely on the board itself but in terms of GPU die 80c is nothing to take a moments notice at unless it's under water in which case your loop is bad 🙂

[ashen spindle]

no the reason is that laptops are direct die cooling unlike on desktop where you have a soldered heat spreader on which you put the thermal paste..

[stark bobcat]

some ssd components actually like being warmer

[fickle ore]

50>80

don't spin it ffs

[tropic nacelle]

No it's because of assembly lines, you have wide variances in manufacturing tolerances and you want to minimise poor contact for RMA so you use more than a normal end user will use.

[ashen spindle]

also that

[astral haven]

"Usingthese tests, application of thermal grease on the flip-chip cachein a Slot 2 S.E.C cartridge was predicted to be low risk"

This is the conclusion of the paper
Anything that isn't this is your brain filling in bs to make it say what you want it to say

[final flame]

from what I know there's not much knowledge on whether ssd cooling makes a difference in performance or how long it lasts, as long as it's within normal operating temps it's fine

[ashen spindle]

also this is what they used to test/demonstrate, this is not how a desktop cpu is build up

[tropic nacelle]

That's more like looking at IHS application methods

Or do my eyes deceive me?

[astral haven]

Yep sort of
What this specifically was was Intel testing it to see if their testing methodology for accelerated testing of heat cycles works

[ashen spindle]

for desktop replace the thermal grease in that image with solder which cant pump out and the paste would be between heatspreader and heat sink

so a totally different setup

[stark bobcat]

intel used to use thermal paste under the ihs too afaik

[astral haven]

They did use it for a while yea

[tropic nacelle]

And they were rightly crucified for it as it was abysmal

[stark bobcat]

made delidding a thing I think with soldered ihss it s harder t delid

[astral haven]

Tbh it wasn't
It was actually better for everyone

[mild dome]

I am going to bed, can yalls find a counter source disproving the pump out meme. It's a very common ifea in the laptop community

[ashen spindle]

it was better aside for when you wanted to OC it hard

[astral haven]

The biggest advantage for overclockers is the significantly shorter CPU dies

[ashen spindle]

the counter source is the first article you linked yourself

[tropic nacelle]

I believe it was ivybridge they swapped it.

People weren't happy as it ran significantly hotter for overclocking and even stock so they couldn't get near sandy bridge.

If my memory serves correctly, could be wrong

[fickle ore]

pump out is a thing, I can confirm

[stark bobcat]

laptops kekw

[ashen spindle]

pump is a thing, it doesnt to anything on a desktop cpu though

[astral haven]

Yo you are saying baseless nonsense

Here's the first Google search result for a research paper with pump out in the title
Your source is saying the opposite of what you said it said
I'll just ignore you and it's the community says it so it must be right

[tropic nacelle]

It meant the IHS was much worse at heat transfer as solder is a better bonding method for efficiency but it is more expensive and can result in more failed applications.

It was intel cost cutting to maximise profits, don't blame them as they had zero competition at the time.

I guess delidding was a lot easier though!

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ believe what you want, but the dau korning pastes that Intel used were insanely long lasting as thermal pastes
The reason Intel switched away from solder was the higher wear factors
Now they switched back only because the CPUs actually need it now

If CPU a and b are the same performance in the same situation, I'll take whichever lasts longer

[tropic nacelle]

Yeah it was a production thing and works within spec, for stock it's not a problem really but for overclocking it was a poor change.

As they kept having to pump up the clocks to improve they hit that limit and needed the efficiencies of using solder again instead of paste.

Pretty sure they changed over a couple of generations to improve the paste used as first gen switch it was talked about for ages as an issue of throttling easily.

[misty saffron]

why is nobody else doing this

[junior ore]

Uses more of the battery to do that

[stark bobcat]

lol seems a bit cumbersome if the display was smaller maybe

[shadow minnow]

That will get so many scratches too

[misty saffron]

oled screen that lights up for 5 seconds on demand?

i mean, sure, worse battery life

can't argue with that

40 hours total music playback - 10 hours in the earbuds with a further 30 in the case

[empty wren]

Could do eink display

[vagrant pagoda]

4770 was paste, 4790 was solder

Also deliding is easier with solder as they use less glue kek

[misty saffron]

because people don't listen to music when it's dark i guess

[vagrant pagoda]

Battery limit for buds is the buds themselves not the case.

Most cases have a lot of empty space

[empty wren]

I thought eink was supposed to be visible in sunlight

Hotswappwble battery

[misty saffron]

and invisible when?

[junior ore]

I would say better to have a smaller more narrow screen that shows just the most needed info like the current charges for both buds and the case and thats all thats needed.

[misty saffron]

that's just a waste of a screen

[empty wren]

Just make the case out of a screen probablem solved

[misty saffron]

putting a touchscreen with music controls, time and notifications on the case is a brilliant idea

[empty wren]

Yeah or even just swipe controls on it

[misty saffron]

it's not hdr, it won't fuck battery

[junior ore]

no? like. you typically have those controls on the buds or on the phone/laptop/device itself. its better to have them on the buds because they would be with you.

[ashen spindle]

putting it on the case doesnt mean you have to remove them elsewhere

[misty saffron]

even if

i'd prefer a touchscreen over most touch controls on earphones

apple

's shit with squeezing

still the best way to control playback on earphones imo, has anyone replicated?

[empty wren]

Probably not considering how small Bluetooth earbuds are

[astral haven]

Everything core up to the 8086k was paste

Including the 4790k

[astral haven]

And no, solder is harder to delid because you need to heat it up and soften (not melt) the solder

[vagrant pagoda]

Never had an issue

Put in jig, tighten, add a bit of heat

And the pop right off

With paste you can damage the substrate trying to shear it

[astral haven]

.......

[vagrant pagoda]

And trying to cut it dose the same

[astral haven]

🤦‍♀️

[empty wren]

If earbud cases had gesture controls you would need to reach jn your pocket and make weird movements

[ashen spindle]

like on the gpu next to a switch? thats a bios switch for the different bios options then

[junior ore]

Yeah exactly. You'll already most likely have the phone already in your hand

[ashen spindle]

need a picture then

[junior ore]

Sounds wierd but familiar

I think i heard about something like those on some cards

When you want to run your fans in "silent mode"

My memory is vague

[ashen spindle]

so make a picture of it so we know what it is

[junior ore]

Well you don't want your video card to melt so don't make your fans run like poo for no reason

[reef patrol]

Screenshot?

[junior ore]

Wait is this physical switch or software?

[ashen spindle]

looks like a switch to me

by seeing in what position the switch is....

thats how switches work

[astral haven]

Yes
The way it is now

[ashen spindle]

usually they have one mode that makes sense and one that doesnt make sense to use, idk how its with that card, gotta try it out or read up on it

[reef patrol]

Oh that. It's just a BIOS switch.

One has a higher OC and a more aggressive fan profile.

[ashen spindle]

well, sometimes yes, sometimes one bios setting is just garbage

sometimes its also basically the same

sometimes its also default and downclock

[astral haven]

Often it's just the fan curve

[ashen spindle]

also often the case yes

[true quest]

lmao who did this

[stark bobcat]

did what

[frozen ingot]

steamy deck

[junior ore]

@latent mural might want to not do any overlcocking till you get better understanding of your computer parts and other fundamentals

[stark bobcat]

gpu is probably safe I don't think nvidia allows any voltage adjustment

[ashen spindle]

it literally is

does it look like the picture I showed

thats a switch

[stark bobcat]

literally is a switch

[ashen spindle]

the little black part you can move to the left or right

[stark bobcat]

I don't think you should operate it while the pc is on

[junior ore]

its under the lip somewhere

it's not some buttons

don't mess with it

just leave it as it is, honestly.

[ashen spindle]

pretty sure it does move

doesnt really have a locking mechanism

is there the black plastic part on the outside or is it just the metal block above it

these things are fucking tiny

[stark bobcat]

also just leave it be tbh

[junior ore]

aye, very tiny

yeah seriously don't mess with it.

also another image*

[ashen spindle]

yes different card

but looks like these in some way or another

nah its not going to break your card

[stark bobcat]

he might break the switch

[junior ore]

its right there

then don't move it

it's fine where it is

you dont want it in quiet mode anyways

it's set to performance mode

[stark bobcat]

the switch it not gonna help u

[ashen spindle]

how do you even know what its set to on his card lol

[stark bobcat]

these bios presets often dont change much

[junior ore]

it literally says it on his card

[ashen spindle]

he never posted his card???

[junior ore]

oh wait i looked at wrong image

[ashen spindle]

yes but name is not a guarantee its the same on all of them

[stark bobcat]

I doubt asus would set it to quiet mode by default

[junior ore]

eitherway : it'll be where its pointing where it says performance

[ashen spindle]

no sometimes it just isn't lol

[reef patrol]

I wouldn't - Cause it's safe.

[ashen spindle]

its an extremely safe thing to change since its almost stock values and we dont know what its set to so idk why you are harping on the guy to not touch it as if he's going to set it to 20V input

[junior ore]

it's more like there's no need to at all and he's saying its not moving and it's gonna suck if he breaks it trying to force it

[stark bobcat]

he's saying it doesn't move so I assume he doesn't know how much force to use

[junior ore]

and again : no point to changing it if things are fine already

[ashen spindle]

we dont really know if there is no point unless you know what the difference in bios is and what his card is set to

[junior ore]

we aren't harping on them, also.

I'm sure he'll notice if his fans is super duper loud or too quiet when it shouldn't be.

[ashen spindle]

or maybe one is loud the other is normal and he wants performance so it would be on the wrong one, we simply dont know lol

[stark bobcat]

he doesn't seem to be complaining

[ashen spindle]

so maybe the other bios would be more power and not too loud either so he's leaving free performance (yes not a ton obviously) on the table

[stark bobcat]

🤷‍♂️

[junior ore]

Again : they'll find out when its acting out of norm

[ashen spindle]

you know that both bios settings have a good chance to not act out of the norm in either direction

or maybe he doesnt mind the fans going "out of the norm" and is ok with that and wants the extra 5 fps or so it could give if its not on performance now

[stark bobcat]

"Asus claims the Quiet mode is four times quieter than Performance mode while only two degrees warmer. But the default Performance mode is so cool and quiet, we can’t envision needing to use the secondary BIOS for anything but overclocking." from a review I do not imagine it ll make much of a difference

idk where to find anything about the quiet/perf mode on asus's website

maybe I need to read the 55pg manual

[junior ore]

and I don't know why Quinn needs to overtly defend the argument or such. It's a literal non-issue either way. And as I said : if they find an irregularity because of it's mode selection they can change it.

[stark bobcat]

nope just "put gpu in slot plug in 8pin" in 20 languages

[ashen spindle]

I'm just saying let the guy change it if he wants and not just flat out say to let it be because its fine as it is

saying to only change it if something is wonky doesnt make sense since neither mode is likely creating irregularity

[junior ore]

it's not that he wants to : it's that he doesn't know what it does and asked about it because he didn't want to break anything :V

so, of course : go with the motto of don't break it because you don't know what it is or don't break it because it's not moving.

[ashen spindle]

literally started with him asking how to set it to performance since he didnt know its a switch..

[junior ore]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[stark bobcat]

lmfao I just found out the 6700xt nitro+ has 2 slightly different skus
"2581MHz Boost
2424MHz Game"
vs
"2622MHz Boost
2548MHz Game"

interesting

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/asrock-x670e-motherboard-may-need-more-than-6-minutes-for-first-boot

Heh

[crimson wigeon]

Ah, lovely modern hardware

[ashen spindle]

ddr5 go brrrrrrrrrrrrRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[crimson wigeon]

But I thought it was meant to be faster!!

[ashen spindle]

its just giving the competition a head start for fairness

[astral haven]

Auto ram oc oh god

[ashen spindle]

ehh its just the first bootup and if you do 4x 32 you're lucky if thats the only issue anyway lol

[reef patrol]

I mean as long as it shows it clearly through boot codes I'm guchi.

If not - Fuck em.

[stark bobcat]

it s just memory training lol

[reef patrol]

It's just upwards of 400 seconds of uncertainty.

[astral haven]

It's memory training multiple times with different profiles...

[stark bobcat]

as long as they explain it in the manual I think this is fine

I dont really see the problem

[astral haven]

Automatically overclocking the memory is a bad idea...

Especially if it's doing that automatically without telling the user...

[ashen spindle]

I dont think its auto oc and just memory training

[astral haven]

It's training multiple times

[ashen spindle]

where is that info from

or do you just mean it trains for all the xmp settings even if they are not loaded

[astral haven]

Guesspeculation

But sources familiar with the matter have confirmed there are multiple different profiles that amd is using to interpret xmp on Zen 4

ASRock appears to be training multiple of them and picking one somehow?

[ashen spindle]

oh so just asrock doing weird things as usual

maybe they look at both xmp and expo and somehow decide which one to take

[tropic nacelle]

Normally memory training is just making sure the timing set work so I guess the memory controller is much tighter than last time maybe?

AMD has their EXPO as an alternative this time to XMP

Memory training on my c6h would take forever

[astral haven]

That was probably failing to train xmp defaults

[ashen spindle]

but, would that mean asrock now enables expo automatically and no more jedec timings on first bootup?

or are they just training it for fun and still not use it

[astral haven]

That's pretty normal these days

The strange thing is training multiple times every time

[ashen spindle]

I'm pretty sure boards dont enable xmp by default?

[astral haven]

It should never fail to train first time on qvl sticks

[astral haven]

I goddamn wish

[ashen spindle]

asrock boards?

or who was it that enabled intels boost back a generation or two, was that msi

[astral haven]

Probably gigabyte?

[reef patrol]

ASRock are usually the ones breaking the unwritten rules 😄

But ASUS and Gigabyte have also done it in the past.

[astral haven]

No
Gigabyte breaks the unwritten rules
ASRock breaks the written ones lel

Lga115x socket on am4 is the most recent example

[reef patrol]

[ashen spindle]

oh great

usb naming is getting worse again

USB4 is now USB4 Version 1.0 and the next one is going to be USB4 Version 2.0

[astral haven]

Yay

The worst part is they are increasing the speed...

But tbh I don't care as long as they have 1 logo per speed

[junior ore]

whats wrong with just calling it USB-C?

[ashen spindle]

uhh because the connecter type says nothing about the protocol?

usbc could be 3.whatever or 4.whatever

[junior ore]

wait what is USB 4 suppose to be?

[ashen spindle]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/09/usb-c-naming-to-somehow-get-worse-with-usb4-version-2-0/ there

[junior ore]

you have USB A 1 2 and 3.0, USB B and 3.0, USB Micro, mini, and then USB-C. not counting proprietary.

[ashen spindle]

you're forgetting lovely versions like USB 3.2 Gen 2x2

[junior ore]

I got nothing on that in my brain

[ashen spindle]

then you have missed a lot in the last years

[junior ore]

I just plug shit in lol they don't put names on the fuckin cables @_@

[ashen spindle]

yes they do

[junior ore]

i'm literally looking at my USB C cable and there's literally nothing on it.

So, for this one : no they did not.

[junior ore]

this isn't on my cable

[empty wren]

Never really is

Computers may have stickers

[junior ore]

aye and quinn thinks they can magically sight-seer into my current hosuehold items and see my cable

[empty wren]

You can easily test speeds

[junior ore]

it's just a blank white cable lol they didn't even laser etch on the socket part.

[empty wren]

So long as both devices are above the cable specifications

[junior ore]

yeah. I do need to get a cable tester

[empty wren]

But probably usb 2.0 or in some cases 3.0

[ashen spindle]

your cables dont have this or similar on them?

[astral haven]

https://www.usb.org/sites/default/files/usb-if_logo_usage_guidelines_final_as_of_august_3_2018_locked.pdf

[ashen spindle]

or that, since the first picture was a bit low resolution lol

[astral haven]

The USB trident is the minimum requirement, here is an older version of the branding requirements

[junior ore]

@ashen spindle NOPE. I think only my old cables have them. let me dump them on the floor.

[astral haven]

Everything is required to have one somewhere, generally they are found on the computer side
Sometimes they are rather well hidden tho

[junior ore]

I am aware.

i'm just saying, typically : they aren't really going to give yhou the exact specs or much needed info like "USB C 3.1/2/whatever"

[empty wren]

Usually on the box

[junior ore]

well yeah but i aint got no boxes for them and I aint gonna remember them years down the line

also yup just checked all my USB C cables : only brand names if anything

[empty wren]

If you bought them online

Could also check orders

[junior ore]

i'm not concerned or needing the info so I'm fine not knowing.

[astral haven]

Here are the logos

[junior ore]

also I only have one maybe two cables I've ordered online and it's not gonna be a nice or awsome thing

and I know the logos >.>

not me first rodeo

[astral haven]

Superspeed vs basic Trident vs superspeed 10 and 20

Then you now have the USB 4, 20, 40, and 80 logos

[junior ore]

I'm just saying they should print them on the cables like how Ethernet cables have their ratings and stats, typically, printed on them.

[ashen spindle]

most important point, It's USB 3 but USB4, no space between anymore

[junior ore]

20 and 40s, righto

[ashen spindle]

so dumb

[junior ore]

it's not as dumb as remember 4 digits

member firewire?

[astral haven]

That's not where the printing should be
That would require different printing for different types of cables

[ashen spindle]

no changing branding to suddenly have a space or not is dumb, idk what firewire did because I barely know what the name means

[junior ore]

it was the format wars, Quinn.

there was a lot of casualties

but FireWire stuck a good fight against USB

but they lost in the end

they lasted a solid 14 years

and a few times they beat USB in specs.

but yeah you had to remember assload of numbers

[ashen spindle]

ok the change of the spacing remains extremely stupid

[junior ore]

Firewire 400, 800, S800T, S1600 and S3200. or you went by their IEEE numbers

[astral haven]

Actually I'm on usbif's side here
Removing the space means that if you search with quotes for usb4 you will only get products trying to be USB 4

[junior ore]

lets all remember the poor bastards of zip and click-drives.

[astral haven]

You won't get USB 3 port hub

[junior ore]

you know what : valid point

[ashen spindle]

I sincerely doubt they thought about it

[junior ore]

USB with a space will get you everything

they should just eliminate the space

USB2 USB3 and USB4 would all be unique searches

[ashen spindle]

when the previous change was to make usb3 versions sound as confusing as possible

[astral haven]

I wouldn't be surprised
The standards forum sometimes has good ideas
The problem is it's designed by comittee

[junior ore]

look, quinn : it's better to rip the bandaid now and do the change then never do it and make it worse later.

[empty wren]

Inb4 usb4 was named the way it is because someone forgot a space

[ashen spindle]

I just dont think thats the case when the same people made the version before that "USB 3.2 Gen 2x2"

tf is that abomination

[junior ore]

yeah and maybe after that went : "oh, shit. that was stupid"

and so they decided not to do it again

[empty wren]

20gbps

But yes stupid

[ashen spindle]

and now it's "USB4 Version 2.0"

so whats next, USB4 Version3.5x3

[empty wren]

😎

[junior ore]

well it's like

[astral haven]

If they go to version 3 next I'm all for it

[junior ore]

normal USB4 is 20GB but then they already doubled it so fuggit. 1x2 is 2 so USB4 2

[ashen spindle]

but thats not the name, the name is "USB4 Version 2.0"

[astral haven]

But I really think they should just do usb4 80g

[junior ore]

if they reach 60GB or 80GB they will call it 4.3

[astral haven]

USB 4 is 40g, you can run half the connectors for 20g

[junior ore]

I think USB4.2 works

oh, what?

[ashen spindle]

why specify .0 as version number if you just go from 1 to 2 and no decimals

[junior ore]

wait so USb4 is already natively 40g?

[astral haven]

Yes

[junior ore]

why bother with a half?

[astral haven]

20g is removing 2 of the connectors inside

[astral haven]

Thunderbolt supports it, alot of devices don't need more than 1 lane

[junior ore]

is.. is that gonna be an issue plugging it into another USB C port?

[ashen spindle]

also USB4 was just that, now its retroactively called Version 1.0 so branding is a mess of that already too

[junior ore]

of any version*

[astral haven]

Nope

It's just the device only can send 2 data streams at a time out of the 4 that the connector supports

[junior ore]

the naming gives me the screaming screams of screaming

[astral haven]

Just ignore it

[junior ore]

well anyways 4 is the perfect number anyways so i'll be fine with it

[astral haven]

I just hope they don't introduce USB 5 when Intel makes thunderbolt 5

That would be a pain

[empty wren]

Also unlucky number in some asian cultures

[junior ore]

oh? i thought it was a different number. forgot which though.

[deft marlin]

China especially

[deft marlin]

The word for 4 in Chinese is similar in pronunciation to the word for death

whereas the word for 8, is similar in pronunciation to the first word of the phrase which means “to achieve good fortune”

Well two negatives are a positive, so 4 X 2 = 8

[junior ore]

ah

[mystic arch]

Hey, new to modding keyboards. Just pre-ordered a 60HE. What are some good sites/companies for keycaps?

[neat oriole]

Depends how much you want to spend

[deft marlin]

#archived_keebs_talk

[vagrant pagoda]

lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NypT2CZdeiI

just trust me bro is funny when Anthony says it

[plush summit]

YA DONT FUCKIN SAY

[crimson wigeon]

The Arch Experience ™️

[pale sigil]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/x3btdn/halo_infinites_splitscreen_coop_has_been_canceled/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[wheat plume]

....

Thats a mistake

Even call of duty has split screen still
And offline multiplayer against bots

[pale sigil]

Halo has bots stuff etc

But no split screen which was a big part of halo identity

[wheat plume]

Yeah...
It is

[tropic nacelle]

Absolutely ridiculous, 343 must be feeling major imposter syndrome by now or at least should be.

How can they be so bad?? They are meant to be a big studios with a massive companies IP and yet can't do simple things.

I miss when bungie was running the show.

[junior ore]

More like a remnant of the identity of FPS in the past.

[junior ore]

By not being the same people. That is how.

[vagrant pagoda]

If USB 1, USB 1.1, USB 2.0, USB 3, USB 3 Gen 2, and USB 3 Gen 2x2 weren't bad enough, now we have USB 4 and USB 4 Version 2.

[tropic nacelle]

Well I mean I know it's a different studio it's just so poorly managed xD.

[empty wren]

Apparently some of it is Microsoft related

[fair gull]

u forgot 3.1 gen 1 and 3.2 gen 1

and usb 3.1 gen 2

[vagrant pagoda]

Nah the got replaced

[fair gull]

they still exist

[vagrant pagoda]

Not on spec

USB 3.1 Gen 1 is 3.0

[fair gull]

no?

[vagrant pagoda]

Yes

[fair gull]

if we follow their rename 3.1 g2 is 3.2 2x1

[empty wren]

It is, and it is very strange

[fair gull]

and 3.1 g1 is 3.2 1x1

[vagrant pagoda]

No USB 3 and 3.1 gen 1 are literally the same product

[fair gull]

weird they got different spec sheets

and different releases

[vagrant pagoda]

Yes it's dumb

[fair gull]

iirc original 3 was like 3gbit or smth

or 4

[vagrant pagoda]

They keep renaming the old ones

So consumers get confused and can't tell the difference

And are ok with the old spec

[empty wren]

Nah it was 5

[fair gull]

was it?

[empty wren]

Yep

[fair gull]

then i misremembered

usb4 is the future anyway

[empty wren]

For usb c doe

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah USB SS was always 5gbit

It was the FireWire killer

And FW maxed out at like 3gbit

The best part about FW was the unregulated power supply up to like 30v

So every device that wanted to draw power had to accept 5-30v

But even after 3.0 came out FW still had better max power

[junior ore]

Lets bring back click-drives from the dead

aka PocketZip or Clik!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EA6BAhDU4AA2Qlr?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

that bad boy on the right could hold 40 to 100mb

[tropic nacelle]

The original fidget spinner, the metal slider for the floppy disk.

[junior ore]

LOL

so true

dust sleeve*

and I guess overall just a shield.

[tropic nacelle]

Makes sense, I never actually thought about it's purpose xD

[pale sigil]

https://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-rtx-4080-vs-rtx-3090-alleged-images/

[tropic nacelle]

Just stick it under water and problem solved.

It's not surprising if they are putting up the total board power higher than last time.

[vagrant pagoda]

I have a desktop internal MD drive

[junior ore]

no way

is it original, MD-2, or Hi-MD?

[vagrant pagoda]

Md-data

[tropic nacelle]

MD is minidisc? I remember my sister having a mini disc player back in the day and thinking how short lived it was.

[vagrant pagoda]

Yes

I want to get a NT1 and make it into a internal MD audio drive

[junior ore]

It was another contender in the Great Format War. BUt its primary footing was in japan where it was very popular.

lasted a long time. 1992 to 2011

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Comparison_disk_storage.svg

size comparisons*

also was magnetic based optical, interestingly enough

[tropic nacelle]

Wow really 92 it started, wouldn't have thought that.

My sister must have got on to it very late as it like 06 or something.

[vagrant pagoda]

MD was popular in the EU at least with the people I talk tk

[fair gull]

doesnt even have psp disks

those were tiny af

[vagrant pagoda]

What killed MD was Sony making really really hard to author disks on pc

[tropic nacelle]

If no one uses your product it doesn't matter how good it is technically

[junior ore]

oh, yeah in europe too*

[vagrant pagoda]

I think umd was the same diameter disk as MD

[tropic nacelle]

Especially for something that is used as a medium for music, the entry needs to be really easy as more users mean more sales and longevity

[junior ore]

doesn't really count as a media storage since, like, not exactly distributed for public use lol

oh nice!

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah it's 64 vs 60

[fair gull]

i personally really liked umd

[vagrant pagoda]

Very close

[junior ore]

UMD was terrible

[vagrant pagoda]

Other than them being only RO

[junior ore]

UMD didn't have a protective shield

[vagrant pagoda]

And only in one device

[tropic nacelle]

Not as reliable as cartridge and not as good as flash. Worst of both worlds?

[junior ore]

the plastic was cheap and not solid, which meant it often broke

and the drive on the PSP would get angry if you held it at the wrong angle and possibly leading to damage.

and, fo course, the drive itself was easy to damage and cheaply done too.

[fair gull]

well have u tried strapping a md reader to a laptop and gaming while moving the laptop?

[junior ore]

It was annoying as fuck to get the UMD discs out of their own containers too without breaking them/

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean even Sony dropped umd for the go lol

[fair gull]

and not strap flat

but strap to the display

pretty sure md fails the same ways in terms of on the go usage

[vagrant pagoda]

I've done tons of sports wearing a MD player

Never had an issue

[tropic nacelle]

UMD Vs MD

[junior ore]

what UMD had going for it was not being as expensive as Flash storage and had more storage at the time. But technology quickly outpaced it.

[vagrant pagoda]

MD players have great antiskip

[junior ore]

they held 1.8GB which was pretty solid for movies and 2004

[vagrant pagoda]

Hi-MD was better in almost everyway other than not supporting a true read only mode

[junior ore]

oof.

but better than a WORM Drive lol

Write One Read Many.

but yeah the UMD was a big failure.

even some major studios like... I believe it was paramount rejected the idea of having their movies on it.

[vagrant pagoda]

Hi-MD was 1GB and first gen UMD were only 900mb

[junior ore]

or rather to support it*

[vagrant pagoda]

Same year relase

[junior ore]

mainly cause they never released it outside of the psp

nice but there had to be a market for the drives as well

and there jsut wasn't one for here in usa

[vagrant pagoda]

Never under stand why Sony didn't just find a way to make ro himd

Then they could of have cross compatibility

Which sells more media

PSP had all of the walkman features other than md

Would of been dope to have a writer in there

[junior ore]

because most studios and stations were already on the move towards solid state tech by 2006-2008

[vagrant pagoda]

Move songs from memory stick to MD

[fair gull]

still use psp as music player sometimes

[vagrant pagoda]

PSP was 2004

[vagrant pagoda]

My vita is my daily driver media and game device lol

[junior ore]

i mean in regards to updating the MD*

[vagrant pagoda]

HiMD was 2004

Lol

[fair gull]

for gaming i use my switch with ppsspp

[junior ore]

IPODs and generic MP3 players were already flooding the market by this time.

[vagrant pagoda]

Vita is actually pocketable without drift kek

If vita could get real android it would be king lol

[fair gull]

idk man i feel somewhat blessed

no stick drift

on both my switches

[vagrant pagoda]

I'm the same but with my Vive

I have a OG pre-order vive and a vive pro

All the hardware works same as the day I got it

[fair gull]

like the rubber on my right stick is already getting a bit iffy

but otherwise flawless

[vagrant pagoda]

My only issues are the original head cushions melted

And I have a tiny scratch on the lense of the og vive

Never have touch pad issues

Or cable issues

Which seem to plague vives

[fair gull]

my switch has a tiny chunk of rubber missing on the kickstand

due to frequent opening

[vagrant pagoda]

Hell I only gave up my vive wireless adapter when I went to amd

[fair gull]

no reader bork, no drift, no kickstand broken

[vagrant pagoda]

As it only worked on intel

Idk if that has changed

[vagrant pagoda]

With a jail broke switch can you move games on and off them?

That was why I gave up on mine

Having to delete and redownload shit all the time

[fair gull]

no but i just have them all on microsd anyway

[stark bobcat]

Never used my switch much 🤷‍♂️ it's like meh

[fair gull]

my switch is as empty as the day i unboxed it

[vagrant pagoda]

On my vita I can just ftp games on and off

[fair gull]

i mean i just install games from network

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah but load times on SD is horrible

[fair gull]

eh

not really

[vagrant pagoda]

I have a v60 in it and it was almost 3 times as slow as internal

[fair gull]

i compared my cfw switch to ofw

ofw on sysnand

cfw from sd

it was 3 secs slower

[junior ore]

with a hacked switch you can basically do anything

[fair gull]

cant be arsed to break my nand over that

[junior ore]

including moving games to and from, repackaging them or moving and backuping your saves

[fair gull]

still have to install games with nsp files

[vagrant pagoda]

Over network?

[junior ore]

also : Nintendo lost to class action lawsuit and has to repair joycon drifts for free so send them the bill 😛

[vagrant pagoda]

I just stream switch games to my vita with moonlight

Better experience lol

[junior ore]

yeah, you can do it by SD card, USB, or FTP. I prefer USB.

[stark bobcat]

Where

[vagrant pagoda]

I have a fat Nas, so I do everything over network

Last time I JB my switch it didn't support network game moving

[fair gull]

it still doesnt to my knowledge

[junior ore]

you can google it. I had mine sent back and repaired on their behalf. but if you want I can find the info for you.

[vagrant pagoda]

Though the more I use my Odin the more it grows on me

[junior ore]

but they are only doing the free repairs for USA

[vagrant pagoda]

But I think the new gpd vita will be king

Ryzen in vita form sounds like a fever dream of mine

[junior ore]

what did you use? Goldleaf? The anime wolf one, or Tin?

[stark bobcat]

Idk why the switch joycons seemingly drift faster than others for me other stuff always breaks first on my controllers

[fair gull]

goldleaf lol

[vagrant pagoda]

It's been a long time lol

[fair gull]

idk why anyone would use goldleaf

[junior ore]

the modern hack scene has much improved

goldleaf not so good @_@

[vagrant pagoda]

But yeah def going to pre order a god win 4

It combines my 2 favorite handhelds, both of which are sonys

[fair gull]

tinfoil + gdrive is such a nice combo

[vagrant pagoda]

Vita and UX

[fair gull]

if the switch wasnt so slow with networking

[stark bobcat]

What Cpu will the win 4 have?

[vagrant pagoda]

6800u

Is the word

So same as the max 2

She is sexy

Especially when you lift up her skirt

Has dual type c, a type a port, and a 3.5 jack

As well as microsd

And analog triggers

[stark bobcat]

Uhhhhh

Upcoming amd laptop chips will probably slay if they integrate RDNA 3

[vagrant pagoda]

6800 isn't rdna3

It's out already

[halcyon moss]

no touchpads..

[stark bobcat]

I said upcoming

[vagrant pagoda]

And it's about 2 times faster than the deck

[stark bobcat]

So not 6800u

[junior ore]

eh. not gonna lie. I'm super spoiled by the trackpads and gyro controls of the Deck and Steam Controllers. I cannot do normal conventional joysticks anymore.

[vagrant pagoda]

Opposite lol

I try sooo hard to use my controller more

But never could get used to it

[junior ore]

it's much better on the Deck, thanks to the upgrades.

[stark bobcat]

Honestly I just hate how trash windows is for most of these handhelds

[vagrant pagoda]

I'd rather use stick + touch screen

[stark bobcat]

Especially with admin prompts

[vagrant pagoda]

Also no way to fit them in this

[junior ore]

like for instance the Joystick caps have a haptic touch on the top so you cna have gyro controls while touching it too. Easy to have the gyro on the spot for precise aiming and the fast large movement with the pads or stick.

[vagrant pagoda]

You know how tiny a win 3 is compared to a deck?

[junior ore]

how the fuck can you see anything fi your fingers are on the screen

[vagrant pagoda]

Same as a phone lol

Only use it for menus

[junior ore]

yeah thats why I fucking don't play FPS games on the phone LOL

its shite

[stark bobcat]

Win 4 looks very neat tho cool aesthetic

[vagrant pagoda]

Touch screen is faster than touch pad or stick for menus/inventory stuff

The 3 and 4 are the same size

About the size of the screen on the deck

[stark bobcat]

Touchscreen also isn't that great for people with naturally oily skin

[junior ore]

I wouldn't say its faster.

though better than a joystick

[stark bobcat]

Everytime I use the touchscreen on my deck I have to wipe it immediately

If only there was a pen

Volvo please

[vagrant pagoda]

Win 3 vs deck

[junior ore]

I typically don't use the touchscren on the deck primarily because I never feel like I have to. Sometimes I use it but like. I don't need to.

[stark bobcat]

I had the urge to do it to enter my pin but I have now memorized the pattern

[junior ore]

same

you havea protective screen on it?

[stark bobcat]

Or rather commited it to muscle memory

[stark bobcat]

Nah I paid extra for the etched glass so I will use it

[junior ore]

same here but like. I put a protection thing on it.

[vagrant pagoda]

3 vs 4

So the deck dwarfs it

[junior ore]

looks more uncomfortable to hold than the joycons

[vagrant pagoda]

The 3 or 4?

[junior ore]

both lol like legit makes me think of the ngage

the deck fits nice and dandy in ym hands

[vagrant pagoda]

The 4 is the same layout as PSP/vita

Just with 4 tirggers

[stark bobcat]

Depends on how much of a difference the smaller size makes but tbh I enjoy the larger screen on the deck

[vagrant pagoda]

It fits in a pocket

Deck not so much

[stark bobcat]

For a handheld I have my 3ds that's enough for me

[junior ore]

shit was tiny as fuck. look at it

[vagrant pagoda]

It's switch sized

[junior ore]

top right of the switch

egg shaped lol

[stark bobcat]

I find the switch incredibly uncomfortable to hold

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah but it fits in a pocket

[junior ore]

i legit had to buy third party holders that added beef to the switch

[vagrant pagoda]

You can't make it thicker

[junior ore]

aint no one putting switches in their pocket.

[vagrant pagoda]

.....

I do

Lol

[junior ore]

maybe if you had large cargo short pockets or sumthing lol

but typically people put them in cases or backpacks

[vagrant pagoda]

I pocket my Odin all the time

[junior ore]

Gameboy pocket/series, advance/sp, DS series ( non-2DS). those were pockets.

idunno the size comparison fo the odin

[vagrant pagoda]

Odin is switch size

[junior ore]

ah

[vagrant pagoda]

Well switch light

But I do wear cargo pants

But a switch can fit in the front pocket of most of mine

[junior ore]

that would give you the pocket space

yeah and likely my normal pants too but def not if I am going to be sitting down

and it's less awkward looking to just put it in the case

[vagrant pagoda]

Get tradesman pants and never look back lol

Pocket overs are the best

Especially with phones and such

Pocket overs are a flap with pockets that go into your front pockets

You can pull them out and set of top of the pants when you're working/sitting

That way they never get squeezed or blocked

But you can tuck them in if you need to run so they don't flop around

I'll never go back to not having pocket overs or knee pads ever again

[shadow minnow]

Nice, I can play steam deck on my mac

[wheat plume]

is it better to turn off the computer at the wall when you shut it down or is it ok to leave that on?

[pale sigil]

The majority of my life ive left it on

[true quest]

power down the entire house after turning off the pc

[slow garnet]

Never turn off a computer by pulling out it's cord. Unless you mean turning the PSU off after it's already powered down.

As for the PSU switch, you might as well if you don't care about turning it back on afterwards.

[wheat plume]

yeah, shut down the computer, then turn off the wall plug once its shut off

not just yank the power cable out

xd

[slow garnet]

If anything turning the PSU off ensures some (very little, as other powered devices like the monitor and etc can feed back) safety if there's a surge that comes in, but YMMV.

[wheat plume]

so keep it always connected to power?

[slow garnet]

You might as well.

No point really turning stuff off unless you're afraid it might combust or a surge might kill your equipment.

That, and for caring about the potentially 5Ws that is being pulled when devices are powered off.

[crimson wigeon]

Definitely can happen, a lightning bolt struck recently and for the first time ever in my life it actually killed some elecrtronic devices

[slow garnet]

What ngh said. It can occur, and it will occur.

[crimson wigeon]

Like a one in a million chance though

[true quest]

obtain usps or ups

[slow garnet]

Yeah, the chances are low. Not to mention it could occur out of no where as well, even if you never heard a strike beforehand.

Or hell, the power gets shitty because a transformer blew a couple miles away, etc.

UPS energize, not USPS.

Also UPS' don't really protect you against a surge.

They only really protect you against power interruption.

Yes, even those high quality "interactive" ones.

[true quest]

meant usp or ups

mind is occupied by usps, they owe me

[slow garnet]

One more thing to note: surge protectors are not 100%. Be it plug in ones, ones for cables (ex: coaxial or Ethernet). So don't rely on those to save your shit. Unplug all devices if you want 99.9% safety.

[crimson wigeon]

Yes gotta have that large physical gap because arcing

[slow garnet]

And said "coverage" is normally marketing. Seriously, go read up on them. You'd be surprised how hard it actually is to get your money back if something occurs.

Correct, lightning will go through anything. A power strip that is turned off will likely have lightning go to the plugs anyway.

Another thing to note: surge protectors can go bad. From what I've read, there are some that do not go bad over time, but not entirely sure how true or false that is. Some models tell you when the protection is gone, some don't, but the ones that do might also not. I don't know how frequent you should replace them however.

Easiest solution: unplug your shit (when you know in advance), keep backups (for when shit does happen and you didn't know in advance). Will solve 99.9% of your headaches.

One more thing to add: there are devices that can tell you if lightning is near, and the approximate distance. Don't know how reliable or accurate they are, but they're an option if you care about that type of thing. You can also hear lightning on an AM radio (tuned to the lowest freq you can set) from very far away, probably 100KM+ if I had to guess, but don't quote me on that. Sounds like static (louder than background noise). Poor man's lightning detector.

But honestly, you're just better off using your eyes and ears. If you see it, it's probably a bit close for comfort. If you can hear it, seriously, what the hell are you doing. Go unplug your shit.

[wheat plume]

Is it normal for windows take an absolute fuck ton of time to shut down?

Yes
I haven't used my PC either since last week

[ashen spindle]

not used to it anymore eh?

[slow garnet]

^^

You should only worry if you're poor AF and can't afford shit being broken. That, and not having backups

Just go bury your backups, problem solved.

[astral haven]

Cheapest is backblaze

[slow garnet]

If it's attached to your computer, it ain't a backup chief.

And I was being sarcastic.

Slightly.

[astral haven]

Throw one in a security deposit box, one stays attached to your pc
Swap as frequently as you want

[slow garnet]

@astral haven Security boxes are not safe.

[ashen spindle]

at first consider if you actually have something you want to back up

all I'm backing up is a file with passwords

dont need anything else really

[slow garnet]

Yeah, there's not much you need to backup anyway.

[astral haven]

Safer than buried in the back yard

[slow garnet]

Unless you're an archivist.

@astral haven Is it, though?

[ashen spindle]

usally it doesnt rain and no wildlife in a security box

[astral haven]

And temp controlled

Hdds main source of bit rot is temperature cycling

[slow garnet]

Irrelevant tbh. Store it in a PVC container or something along those lines. Temperatures are generally stable underground.

[astral haven]

They are not unless you dig pretty deep

[ashen spindle]

sure, if its a HDD you want to store, I doubt most people have data that exceeds a usb stick thats worth to back up

[sly wadi]

They usually have surge protectors as well

[slow garnet]

And eitherway, HDDs can go through a bunch of temperatures when they're not powered.

@sly wadi Yeah, some do.

[astral haven]

USB sticks lose data after a very very short amount of storage
Just a few years

[slow garnet]

USB flash drives are not good for backups.

[astral haven]

Yea but the data itself still vanishes

The best medium that is cheap is vacuum sealed cds

[slow garnet]

Not CDs...

DVDs.

[astral haven]

DVDs are worse than cds

Lifespan of 10 years rather than 50

[slow garnet]

Excuse me, what?

[astral haven]

Yep so use cloud

Backblaze is great

[slow garnet]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD#Longevity

[astral haven]

The military did a bunch of tests on different mediums and that was their results
Idgaf about uncontrolled testing

[slow garnet]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[astral haven]

Should work fine

[empty wren]

Carved piece of glass

Your data will be safe for a million years

[empty wren]

Maybe some day dna will have man's information

[astral haven]

DNA degrades very quickly

[empty wren]

Oof

[astral haven]

Microsoft's project crystal for using glass crystals to store data already exists and is extremely dense

[empty wren]

Interesting

[astral haven]

Also it's pure quartz not normal glass

[empty wren]

Ah alright

[wheat plume]

only 16 views LOL

gg youtube. you dont scale correctly

[junior ore]

All magnetic based media will have their bits rotted away eventually, including HDDs. Even if you seal it away. That's just the nature of the product.

optical media has it's own issues.

surface damage. Chemical exposure. humidity. oxidation.

Ultra-violet lights

[junior ore]

No not really. DVDs have a plastic type of coating over the reflective layer which helps make it more resistance.

[astral haven]

I'm not gonna argue with the military

[junior ore]

I'm not saying you should. I'm just stating the fact of it.

[astral haven]

And we aren't talking about read only media
I am talking about writeable media

[junior ore]

Disc Rot is more likely ot occur when the aluminum coating of the reflective layer oxidizes and DVDs have ti better protected.

[astral haven]

There's no aluminum in writeable discs

[junior ore]

let me double check

yeah it is. it's a super thin layer of aluminum

[astral haven]

Good for it

The data is stored on the die

[junior ore]

aye. and to get that data you still need the laser to reflect off the disc

[astral haven]

Yep
It reflects off of the die...

[junior ore]

no?

[astral haven]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_recordable#:~:text=Like CD-Rs%2C DVD recordable,is written in precise tracks.

"Like CD-Rs, DVD recordable uses dye to store the data. During the burning of a single bit, the laser's intensity affects the reflective properties of the burned dye."

The reason pressed cds use a highly reflective layer is you need a lot of the light to be reflected to cause the destructive interference
The burned die just absorbs the light instead of trying to destructively interfere

[junior ore]

I have returned

[frozen ingot]

am glad optical media is pretty much dead

[junior ore]

@astral haven what is that specifically only the writable ones?

[ashen spindle]

the first wiki paragraph explains it

[astral haven]

Read

[junior ore]

yeah and I did and I was asking for confirmation to make sure I didn't mis-read it or some shit

cause it's possible RW and ROM could have entirely different stuff going on with whats inside it

So was asking to confirm.

[astral haven]

I explained both

Do you mean the difference between CD-R and rw?

Rw is complicated enough that if you don't understand how the pressed ones (rom) work you definetly won't understand the rw

[junior ore]

mostly if it had, like, enough of a different layering or protective coating or not. There's something different enough about it enough that suggests in tests it has a lesser lifespan than R

[astral haven]

It's using phase change magic based on temperature control

So heat cycling the rw will rot the data

[stark bobcat]

yes and most of us are also older than that

[astral haven]

Also CDs and DVDs happen to not inherently bit rot over time like hdds and ssds

Both last forever in a vacuum, but CDs last longer according to the military's testing

[junior ore]

Older than that. DVDs are 26 years old and CDs are almost 40 years old.

[junior ore]

am curious as to the results : can I have citation?

[astral haven]

https://www.osti.gov/servlets/purl/1142543

[junior ore]

thankee

though

this is 2008

I think I'll go with the uuuh... 2020 version

[astral haven]

Look at the parts under test
They are testing up to tlc

[junior ore]

https://www.osti.gov/biblio/1811820

sure but I'll go with the most up to date on the findings

[astral haven]

🤷‍♀️ works too

What you linked is for physical documents lel

It talks about electrical components but doesn't test them

Link the updated version of you find it

[junior ore]

aaaaaaaaaaaa physical documents? still reading

didn't mention specifically papers or such

[astral haven]

What you linked was a paper summarizing the need for the testing

[junior ore]

ah

yeah thats what it looks like once I got further

another one I foudn was the exact same document. maybe edited and resubmitted

this makes me scream

[astral haven]

What I linked was also just a presentation of results
But it at least includes part numbers

[junior ore]

okay I found a different one in 2020 and it includes pictures in its PDF LOL hold on checking

nope not that one either

[astral haven]

Welcome to searching for gov docs

[junior ore]

the 1142543 doesn't have anything regarding optical media

the one you linked last*

let me check the other

@astral haven where in this document does it mention anything about CDs or DVDs?

[astral haven]

Hunh it is a different document

[wheat plume]

Firefox is taking inspiration from one of Chrome's most annoying features

the useless tab dropdown thingy

[ashen spindle]

TIL chrome has that dropdown menu

[wheat plume]

yes

[ashen spindle]

idk just dont use it then

[misty saffron]

why do 4k videos barely fucking stream on phone

but work perfectly on pc

on youtube

[empty wren]

Cuz ipawn bad

[astral haven]

Your phone's issue
Mine works great even at 2x speed

[ashen spindle]

funny how zen 4 is really just "I'll take one zen3 core extra small" yet so much faster

[misty saffron]

11pm

the problem is it buffers all the time

for whatever reason

[astral haven]

And most everything has been iterated on...

[astral haven]

Could easily be the decoder having an aneurysm

[empty wren]

Clearly the solution is to get better internet

[ashen spindle]

yeah it just looks funny if you look at the macro layout how similar it is, obviously has massive changes in many areas

[misty saffron]

1440p is usually fine and 4k is never reliable

so fucking annoying

[astral haven]

So use 1440p?

[misty saffron]

image not as good

[empty wren]

Your iphone screen is what 1080p

[astral haven]

Hold the phone further away lel

[misty saffron]

slightly bigger than 1440p, no

[empty wren]

#💬│general message

[astral haven]

And compressed 4k is 1080p color data

[empty wren]

[astral haven]

Look up 4:2:0 chroma subsampling

[empty wren]

Are you sure

[misty saffron]

yes?

[empty wren]

Cuz pretty sure it is slightly below that

[ashen spindle]

oldest youtube tip, if it loads run a resolution above your monitor or at least above 1080 for better quality since codec is better

[empty wren]

IPhone 12 max or 13 max both have 2778 x 1284 screens

[misty saffron]

slightly bigger in one dimension

[astral haven]

Wrong dimension lel

[misty saffron]

good enough

[astral haven]

3200x1440

[misty saffron]

anyways, 4k still looks much better than 1440p at least because of the increased bitrate

[empty wren]

Oh

[astral haven]

Oh wait no it's 3088

[empty wren]

Close e enough

[misty saffron]

and downsampled video has better sharpness

[astral haven]

But yea
YouTube 8k looks better than 4k on a 1080p screen even due to bitrate

[misty saffron]

downscaled?

whatever

[astral haven]

Downscaled yes
Not downsample lol that would be bad

[misty saffron]

activity just never goes above 2300

what is this trash

barely keeping up with 15s readahead at least

[astral haven]

Yay apple modems

[misty saffron]

let me try in browser actually

youtube is cockblocking higher resolutions in browser

neat

[astral haven]

Blame apple

[misty saffron]

i should try and investigate how it acts on my 2020 ipad pro

[astral haven]

My iPhone SE won't allow above 720p lel

[misty saffron]

ugh

aaand we’re buffering

splendid

[astral haven]

Bandwidth is having an aneurysm ofc but it's 200 down network connection

0 buffering

[misty saffron]

i genuinely don’t understand what they fucked up

my internet is fine

videos in other apps stream on ios just fine

[astral haven]

Vp9

[misty saffron]

it is completely fine on pc

[astral haven]

Or av1

Your PC either has vp9 or enough horsepower to decode it in compute

[misty saffron]

but apple added hw accel for vp9

[astral haven]

Yes but for what reaolutions

[misty saffron]

specifically 1440p and 4k

[astral haven]

4k60 tho?

[misty saffron]

they weren’t available in the app before they did

apparently available just to google via a private entitlement

good, please use hevc

[astral haven]

Hevc costs money lel

They should just switch to av1

Vp9 is at least open source

[empty wren]

Would be nice if discord used it

[astral haven]

Nah
H264 for maximum compat

When end users are encoding, h264 is the way to go

[frail rock]

x264 master race

[latent mural]

if I was going to make a custom keyboard from the ground up PCB software everything

Where would I begin

@reef patrol

[latent mural]

@hexed gyro

[reef patrol]

Engineering school? 🤔

[latent mural]

What does wooting use to make their keyboards

[fair gull]

also please dont randomly mention founders

[fair gull]

computers

and it doesnt matter if u use kicad or another tool

[latent mural]

stupid ass boy

[fair gull]

the main thing you want is understanding the electrical wngineering side so you dont order 2000 failed prototype pcbs but only 50

[latent mural]

What about designing a PCb

with a joystick

[fair gull]

its just laying out components

[latent mural]

What should I use?

To do that

[fair gull]

as i already mentioned any program for pcb cad

[latent mural]

k

Is it OK if I use ergogen

[fair gull]

/shrug never used it

[latent mural]

k

I want to design a keyboard like this with a thumb joystick

https://youtu.be/JqpBKuEVinw

it would be so good

[fair gull]

so do it

[latent mural]

I’m not very experience so

might take sum time

[deft marlin]

he's not stupid for mentioning using computers to design keyboards imho, if you want a different response you should ask for how the designs are drawn and such

or assembling

that little keyboard will not be easy to design lol

you'd need a 3D printer for starters

[latent mural]

I’ll just order the PCP

I design

[deft marlin]

you've said you're not experienced

how do you plan to design?

[latent mural]

with kicad

[deft marlin]

right

best you learn to use it

or ask the founders directly here

(if they're not busy - don't spam ping)

also, isn't that just a miniature spacebar

but designed to be as wide as the thumb to minimise footprint

Keep in mind too, that its easy and affordable to make sure - but have fun memorising the letters/learning to type on that then reverting back to an ordinary keyboard

Software engineering for your very own keyboard is a little far fetched for a complete beginner too :p All in all, be prepared to make it a long term investment

[latent mural]

k

Have you decided keyboard before

and do you know where I can buy magnetic joysticks

For no drift

[fair gull]

it doesnst sound like it... thats whats happening

[hexed gyro]

Electrical engineering would be the most important. Mechanical design can be hobby'd.