that system could OCP a 1200w psu
#🔌│tech
vagrant pagoda
astral haven
look same die size, same core model, it must be the same silicon
vagrant pagoda
those wernt launched at the same time lol
astral haven
the fkn 9600k was twice as thick, obviously it isnt the same silicon (it wasnt twice as thick it was like 1mm taller)
astral haven
those wernt launched at the same time lol
the 280 was launched after the 290 and it was on an older die
vagrant pagoda
i had the 290xs with a 1090t and it was bottle necking, then when i went to a 4970k it would trip over power on the 1000w, moved to a 1200w, then oced more, and then it still ocped
astral haven
but all the press said the 280x and 280 were 7970 and 7950 refreshes respectively
vagrant pagoda
astral haven
and the 280 and 280x are provably different
vagrant pagoda
the firto bag was actually structural
i had a socket heater on there held in place with that lol
vagrant pagoda
yeah z97
astral haven
tho i cant say shit since I also dont have the ln2 edition
astral haven
yes
vagrant pagoda
this was 990fx ud7 number 4 i think
astral haven
but the ln2 doesnt need vrm cooling
astral haven
990fx drew what was it 2.5x the current?
vagrant pagoda
which was 24/7 sub ambiant cooled oc
astral haven
3x?
vagrant pagoda
the 990 us7s where tanks
they all would run stock clocks missing a vrm stage
and not once killed a cpu
astral haven
250w at 1.5v on fx vs 200w at 2.6v on 4th gen
vagrant pagoda
only 1.5?
astral haven
i mean both of those were reasonable dailies
astral haven
ofc
astral haven
yea ive never actually done anything that wasnt rock solid for overclocking
chiller aint gonna work for me
astral haven
oh yea chillers can run solid
astral haven
but good luck getting anything rock solid stable that also needs a chiller to be stable
astral haven
and it wasnt stable on ambient water?
vagrant pagoda
the 4790k+z97 run my plex server now with the 1050s
vagrant pagoda
and it wasnt stable on ambient water?
not at the power i ran
astral haven
fair enough
vagrant pagoda
i had to get a silverston 1200w running on 220v to get it to be stable
as there wasnt anything with more 12v at the time lol
astral haven
well either way, you werent running 500w through the cpu so you did not need vrm cooling
vagrant pagoda
its not the stages
its the traces
i had a msi before the gig in 990fx
and i burnt 3 of them up
internal traces cooked
even with vrm block
astral haven
yes and how many amps was that...
vagrant pagoda
i moved to a case with a rear socket fan
and got the 990x ud7
and it blew vrm stages once every 3-4 months
astral haven
yes
vagrant pagoda
gig always rmaed them
astral haven
but how many amps were you running through it
vagrant pagoda
but it never stopped running
lol
well it would power cycle
but would boot right back up
i never ran oc with a missing stage though
vagrant pagoda
but how many amps were you running through it
at lot
astral haven
you were probably above 200 right?
vagrant pagoda
i had to move the 15 gauge for the eps 8 pin after i melted the sleeving off them
astral haven
im talking about vcore
vagrant pagoda
i showed you
astral haven
amps
vagrant pagoda
was 1.4-1.5 under load
astral haven
do the math ion
vagrant pagoda
my 990fx had crap for setup compared to the power delivery on the z97
astral haven
the soc non force only had 4 powerstages and it was perfectly fine
the soc force and force ln2 were omega overkill
it was haaaaaaaaaaaard to break 100 amps
vagrant pagoda
the 990fx had shitty power stages
they were about half as effeicnt as the ir powerstages in the soc
astral haven
🤷 but they were also driving 2x the current
the fact that 3 60a powerstages was plenty for normal oc meant that 7 was very overkill even for ln2
oh wait no these were 40a
same story
this would have kerploded before you finished a 3dmark run on a 9590 but on a 4790k? chilly
vagrant pagoda
meanwhile in gpu land
astral haven
Jesus Christ
230w power target on the 7950x stock
vagrant pagoda
astral haven
Yea and these days that's not even that bad lel
vagrant pagoda
that was stock clocks no power limit
so like 950 core
i ran 1200 most of the time
astral haven
Yeet
vagrant pagoda
let me see if i can find a screenshot of that
that would of been gtav times
and i have zero screenshots
odd
shadow minnow
the fact that 3 60a powerstages was plenty for normal oc meant that 7 was very o...
Crazy how now you get like 10 100A power stages
astral haven
100a you mean?
shadow minnow
Yeah lol
My mobo has more than 10 which is just an absolute overkill
I don’t think there is ever a way you would draw as much power as you would have to go utilize max efficiency wattage from all the power stages
ashen spindle
yeha that is nonsense
no need to link articles that just post random numbers that dont make sense
halcyon moss
chiplets for gpu, thats intreseting at least
ashen spindle
but thats old news
amd mentioned it at analyst day months ago
and the ones here are just numbers that the original poster already said are for something else..
tropic nacelle
RDNA3 is going to be a massive improvement, chiplets finally being used in GPUs should be on the same level as zen chiplets in terms of improvements.
Should be good to see if they can leapfrog Nvidia.
Since AMD has a strong architecture already I think they will hit the ground running rather than zen being just "ok performance, great price" until zen 2
Wonder if it will finally be the return of excellent £250 "mid range" cards haha
ashen spindle
chiplet isn't cheaper in low end
so no
thats why amd isnt making cpus below 300$ on release, doesnt scale down, you need monolithic there again
ashen spindle
oh fun fact, the 2CUs in zen4 should basically be the same performance as the switch lol
so you get a free switch in your zen4 purchases lmfao
halcyon moss
i really do not trust them software wise
frozen ingot
folding screens are stupid
halcyon moss
samsung has 5 years of software support
wheat plume
frozen ingot
they wear out way faster than what's claimed by the manufacturer
pale sigil
Nor would I buy one
halcyon moss
heh
pale sigil
Phone nudes
halcyon moss
stop sending the raunchy stuff
ashen spindle
good, discord stopping the chinese spyware right on time 😛
wheat plume
Xd
halcyon moss
thats stupid thin 😮
stark bobcat
if I got a new Motorola razr for free I d use it
halcyon moss
i might get one if i spend some mayor time on public transport again
but they keep making the netherlands so damn bike friendly 
wheat plume
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/559752159676071939/1014123975602884618/...
Thanks xd
halcyon moss
no battery maybe? :p
wheat plume
Xd idk the specs
Mom: constantly has the radio and the tv on, even if she's not indoors or at home
Also mom: STOP USING YOUR COMPUTER SO OFTEN, ELECTRICITY IS GETTING EXPENSIVE
ashen spindle
a radio uses like 1-8 watts.. thats less than your ssd alone for idling almost lmao
ashen spindle
ah
wheat plume
and yes, computer uses more power
but, I only have it on when I use it xd mom could be gone for hours and leave BOTH TV and Radio on
halcyon moss
i cant stand background TV
wheat plume
I cant stand background radio
cause she only listens to news channels so its not even music at least
fair gull
a radio uses like 1-8 watts.. thats less than your ssd alone for idling almost l...
most ssd drives dont use more than 2W idle
stark bobcat
solid state drive drive
tropic nacelle
chiplet isn't cheaper in low end
I mean chiplets are cheaper by the logic of significantly increasing yields.
It's the reason why big monolithic dies are expensive to make and not the way to go at this point.
The reason you don't see cheap release at launch is specifically because yields are that high, you rather sell higher end setups for more profit then the dies that fail the binning process get filtered down the stack so it takes time to build up these specifically.
Zen 1 had the dirt cheap 1600AF with their remainders for example.
It's certainly possible to provide cheaper graphics cards in the mid range with this implementation as you just use less.
This is assuming they have nailed the design as they haven't released anything about it but I would assume it will be longer wait for the mid range this time round unfortunately.
stark bobcat
1600af was zen+ wasnt it?
tropic nacelle
You are correct yep
ashen spindle
chiplets still dont scale lower, the 7600x is the lowest it can go, a monolithic chip could be a quadcore and thus be cheaper
and for gpus they are making one big gpu chip and the rest is memory chips, so still doesnt scale to lower end
and yes, 1600af for example was still monolithic
tropic nacelle
I mean once you take into account interconnect and at least with AMD the cost of the IO die then the rest is net gains.
They do sub £100 6 core CPUs, which is firmly mid range no?
I forgot it was a monothlithic die to be honest, I thought it was their lowest ccd setup.
My point was mostly that mid range stuff is cheaper as it scales hard through the stack, your point on the low end is correct though as you can only scale it down so far.
It should mean the mid to high end GPUs are much cheaper, due to competition I bet AMD will do the business thing and reap the profits of it but it would be nice if they pull another Hawaii undercut again though
pale sigil
Beautiful
ashen spindle
well it depends on what we define as mid range I guess, but a lot of the lower end is just disabled 8 cores for example, not just defects, and that isn't really good scaling its more of a need to fill the market
ashen spindle
for gpus anything below a 3070 is either monolithic or the bottom tier of chiplet configs so it wont really change costs there
ashen spindle
equally misses the point since that donation is leaving out parts but the whole situation is stupid anyway
idk why its still being talked about
tropic nacelle
The backpack is pretty funny how it's blown up. The fact he eventually added a written warranty not an implied one and it now has so many exclusions it's basically useless
reef patrol
The backpack is pretty funny how it's blown up. The fact he eventually added a w...
To be fair he'd be doing that regardless - cause you know... law 😄
ashen spindle
its a normal warranty for a clothing piece and it would've been out before sales actually happen, they just didnt have it written during pre order phase were it really didnt matter anyway
tropic nacelle
To be fair he'd be doing that regardless - cause you know... law 😄
Yeah I mean you should always have a written warranty with a product but he was just saying on twitter that they will fix it for life no problem, that's why they don't need to write it down...
ashen spindle
so idk why people got so butthurt
shadow minnow
Well it’s good content to get clicks on
reef patrol
so idk why people got so butthurt
I mean going "trust us" is not a great way to do warranty.
shadow minnow
Someone popular making an unpopular statement always works well
reef patrol
Especially when he literally renegged on prior promises to "take care of everything" (in a manner that implied basically full coverage including minor user error and damage)
ashen spindle
sure but while its still on pre-order I dont really care about warranty since I can still cancel if it is a bad warranty before I get it
it was just communicated really bad
tropic nacelle
so idk why people got so butthurt
It's because he didn't actually provide a warranty with it but said in twitter that they will support it all the time.
It's no legality to it so it was missold really. He was getting in a hissy fit without understanding that it's a simple thing to fix.
ashen spindle
and people like to outrage
reef patrol
sure but while its still on pre-order I dont really care about warranty since I ...
People could buy it at the pop-up pre-warranty.
shadow minnow
When it comes to Linus being able to afford it, I mean if something went really wrong I think he invested so much into labs it could cause temporary issues. Still not an excuse
reef patrol
My take - It's not important in terms of the legal side for consumers.
But it's kind of telling that a so called "reviewer" has such a bad understanding of warranty concerns as a consumer as soon as he's the one selling shit 😄
tropic nacelle
It's the whole "trust us" when it's a backpack that is incredibly expensive... You can't just imply a warranty as he was saying "warranties aren't worth the paper they are written on so I'm not writing it"
He acts like a child when running a business but I never got the whole Linus appeal
ashen spindle
LTT is basically get people who dont know tech into tech
tropic nacelle
I'm sure when he has gotten supply contracts he's had a written agreement not a Twitter post saying "trust us" xD
ashen spindle
very board, very wide topics and easy to digest topics
reef patrol
Your whole reputation kind of tanks when you on one hand call out hardware manufacturers for bad practices - and then pull the exact same shit when you're selling merch 😄
tropic nacelle
Yeah and he still doesn't get it after people explaining it to him in plain English haha
junior ore
dude I would act like a child too if I had access to all the cool tech stuff AND IT WAS MY JOB to cover and explore them adn talk about them
it's called wander and amazement.
tropic nacelle
Just imagine if wooting just dropped a message here saying yep guys we will fix it for life no problems.
Then the written legalise says 1 year warranty or none xD
junior ore
living life
junior ore
Your whole reputation kind of tanks when you on one hand call out hardware manuf...
lmao did they really?
tropic nacelle
Oh he is, I wasn't questioning that just the fact he is handling this like a child, nothing to do with the fact he gets to do random shit
pale sigil
equally misses the point since that donation is leaving out parts but the whole ...
Louis watched the video before that
It's what the whole video was about
ashen spindle
yeah I really dont care enough about it to watch videos about it from other people
thats the main deal, even if they made a mistake jfc are people blowing it up
tropic nacelle
Everyone gotta get their clicks and views in xD
pale sigil
But it's abysmal
ashen spindle
I mean louis answered someone asking about it so thats fair
shadow minnow
It’s the same thing as when he was speaking about workers Union in LMG
Exactly
I don’t remember the exact words well but something along the lines of we treat our staff well so there doesn’t have to be a union
ashen spindle
uhh thats not even close
stark bobcat
business and not wanting unions name a more iconic duo
ashen spindle
if its true then there doesnt need to be one, if it wasnt true they could make one, he doesnt really have the power to stop them from unionizing
also saying "I don’t remember the exact words" when slight difference in words are massive differences in meaning here doesnt help
stark bobcat
I wonder how linus feels about his employees sharing information about their salary
ashen spindle
depending how it was said it could mean hes very against it or just saying they dont have it but its just because the people dont feel like they need it
ashen spindle
not exactly what was said, they had supply constraints because packaging factories could not keep up aka chips were made but not put onto substrate as fast
and that bottleneck is not a thing for now
and more chip supply since 5nm has less products
tropic nacelle
There will definitely be shortages but it will be much more like "normal"
They have finite capacity from TSMC and at the time were using this supply over two major console launched, their own zen launch and server chips.
It was extremely busy and now that console stock is improving and on a different node it means it's not taking up their capacity for the actual ryzen and RDNA3 chips.
ashen spindle
also less other customers to fight for wafers
tropic nacelle
Yep AMD bought more capacity for 5nm to help this , the joys of no longer having their own fab but was the right call overall
misty saffron
no titanium is kinda unfortunate…
well at least they keep the stainless steel on pro variants
i’m surprised no other manufacturer uses stainless steel
shit looks good for years
tropic nacelle
Because stainless steel is heavier than aluminium.
misty saffron
i personally prefer premium materials over phone being slightly lighter
haven’t even worn a case on my 11pm, not a single dent on the frame
junior ore
I prefer "material that wont make your phone fall out of your hand by being as slippery and slick as fuck"
my phone the bulkiest biggest there is but it's literally impossible to hold it without it wanting to fall out fo your hand.
tropic nacelle
I prefer plastic backs, metal second to it and ideally nothing else but glass is what they stuck with!
reef patrol
tropic nacelle
Oldest trick in the book, say a price that is higher so when you see the real price it looks way better. Normalise the high price
tropic nacelle
if only it actually did come out to being above 600 dollars
It was announced as $699
misty saffron
hey, very fast compilation is great
astral haven
What do you compile that takes long enough that spreading out to 16 cores speeds up the compilation -_-
misty saffron
huh, literally anything with more than a couple of resulting object files
astral haven
Oh right modern bloated messes
Ofc
misty saffron
no, rather well-organized projects 🙂
astral haven
Ah yes
It's fine to write slow code because it's pretty
tropic nacelle
I mean time is money, if it makes a reasonable improvement then it's worth the cost.
junior ore
None of these need to be at these hundreds of dollars
tropic nacelle
You mean sell them for less than $200???
misty saffron
how is a clusterfuck of header files faster wtf
junior ore
I'd love to see how much was RnD and the cost of production.
astral haven
Cost of production is about 100 for 1 cc'd, 160 for 2ccd
Rnd was in the 10s of millions just for this, billions of you include dev that helps other products
junior ore
Right i know it'll be high. But i wonder what the actual amount is gonna be
misty saffron
if you’re trying to tell inlining most of the code is faster… idk what to tell you, we’re not in 1990
astral haven
All I'll say is nested libraries have problems and leave it at that
tropic nacelle
The actual manufacturing side is extremely cheap for dies, you are paying mostly for r&d.
It costs millions or billions for r&d, kinda like medicine where the end product is dirt cheap to make (mostly) but HOW to make it is the ridiculously hard and expensive part
astral haven
Yea except it's not like medicine where these products aren't life and death lol
ashen spindle
and like 20k a wafer at 5nm
tropic nacelle
The amount of trial and error for etching out layers and bonding tracks let alone the architecture design which is very expensive alone.
Also it's expensive to make and maintain a bleeding edge fab.
astral haven
and like 20k a wafer at 5nm
Are they already down to 20k yet?
tropic nacelle
Yea except it's not like medicine where these products aren't life and death lol
I mean they aren't all life and death 🙂
ashen spindle
it was down a bit, then they raised the prices a bit so I assume still around 20k
astral haven
Alr
Thought it was still around 25, haven't seen updates yet but cheaper makes sense
junior ore
The actual manufacturing side is extremely cheap for dies, you are paying mostly...
Valid valid. Its always the how.
astral haven
Think millions for just this launch, billions for the product as a whole
ashen spindle
btw it comes down to like 40$-ish for just the CCD chiplet in terms of pure wafer cost
so idk say 10-20 for IO die and then add substrate and packaging and smds and heatspreader and you're getting somewhere on raw costs alone already
tropic nacelle
Wonder if io is cheaper than that though as they had to use GF for that with their mandatory wafer agreement and it's on older process.
(No idea what that io die is this time as it's changed again)
junior ore
yeah. But I think they are trying way too hard to keep pushing out more new and new every year. let things settle and rest for 8 or so. make something good that lasts and worth the high price.
it's this cancer fo planned obsolescence
tropic nacelle
Wait did I miss something? Are you still talking about AMD latest release?
junior ore
Companies in general, mostly tech
junior ore
Like. Always a new TV or phone or some device one year after the other, things like that*
When its such a waste
ashen spindle
cpus really arent planned obsolescence so idk what you went on about
tropic nacelle
They aren't really yearly releases they are gradually slipping it's like 18 months but it's not consistent because they aren't committed to a yearly launch to avoid a poor product launching.
It takes many years to develop these, plans are way ahead so this wouldn't really change.
AMD plans to support the platform through at least 2025 so it's not really planned obscenes just because they made a better chip later on.
You could make that argument for everything though in a capatalist society.
At least with CPUs and GPUs they actually are REALLY useful for calculations that can actually cure cancer and stuff heh
junior ore
Oh nah not CPUs.
astral haven
Not these cpus
astral haven
And GPUs are used alot for ai
astral haven
The best ai processors that aren't waferscale like dojo and wse2 are the h100 and xeon scalable 3rd gen
cursive summit
Stat sheets are up
1MB L1 cache
Why is L1 cache so low all the time
Huh
The word "mobo" being used in spec sheets aside
Isn't ECC typically only for workstations? I dunno if 5950X and others supported it before
reef patrol
For DDR4 and below? Yes.
For DDR5? No.
cursive summit
Ah it's a DDR5 thing, oki
reef patrol
They implemented a form of ECC as part of the DDR5 standard. But apparently it isn't quite as robust and enveloping as "proper" ECC.
junior ore
Interesting
vagrant pagoda
All Ryzen desktop do ecc other than non-pro apus
You need motherboard support for error reporting to work, but error correcting works without that.
But a few workstation/server AM4 boards have full ecc support with reporting.
I have a asrack x470 with ecc ram and it works and reports errors to the os and ipmi
reef patrol
I have a asrack x470 with ecc ram and it works and reports errors to the os and ...
You mean an... Assrack?
vagrant pagoda
You mean an... Assrack?
On the software side yeah lol
The hardware is solid when it works
Only took 4 board rmas to get a working one
But it's ran for almost 3 years I think soild
My buddy has a small it/hosting company
stark bobcat
which board do u have?
vagrant pagoda
And he went from a 2500k+16gb to 3950+64gb
vagrant pagoda
which board do u have?
What ever the full size x470 is
stark bobcat
there are multiple
vagrant pagoda
There is only one. With or without the extra lan
vagrant pagoda
Yeah you can get it with 1 lan, 1+2 Intel gbe, or 1 +2 Intel 10g
He had the 10g
It was a nightmare to get working
First board had no working bcm
Second had no working bios
Third would take bcm updates
4th is flawless
patent glacierBOT
i've deleted 3 Messages
pale sigil
to petty of me
junior ore
just had someone bring in a external dvd drive that said wasn't working and it turns out ithe why was because there was a secret CD stuck on the inside roof of the drive that caused issues for opening it and for spinning any added discs lol
it had been stuck in there for years lol
no clue why the other techs failed to catch that >.>
reef patrol
Cisco products contain backdoors installed by cia and nsa
Oh great...
We've known this for decades.
wheat plume
Oh
tropic nacelle
Cisco has always been found out to have backdoors it's funny that it's "ok" when they lie as American but when it's a firm from China that has some dodgy setups it's unacceptable entirely not a single thing allowed
astral haven
Cisco has always been found out to have backdoors it's funny that it's "ok" when...
Except Cisco doesn't have backdoors
NSA key is a conspiracy theory
junior ore
@tropic nacelle The difference is it being known or not.
A the duck pointed out : the USA gov has mandated backdoors since 9-11 if not longer and its public knowledge, just forgotten or ignored. The ones from china is more hush hush and then later revealed.
astral haven
The CIA physically installs black boxes that contains backdoors everywhere
They are not inside of purchaseable devices
reef patrol
The CIA physically installs black boxes that contains backdoors everywhere
They ...
They would have to be - Otherwise the CIA can't really make much use of them. They're not a domestic agency xD
astral haven
They would have to be - Otherwise the CIA can't really make much use of them. Th...
All of the # eyes nations install them
And the CIA spies on everyone in the us suspected of talking with folks outside of the us
It's not complicated lel
pale sigil
TIL if you declare an item a warranty or sample you avoid tax
reef patrol
TIL if you declare an item a warranty or sample you avoid tax
Yes? This is not new. But also usually a question of needing to prove it 😄
pale sigil
TIL
i mean, i saw no proof, just said it at the bottom 
Though Logitech shouldn't have common issues, i appreciate how fast they give me a new one without asking for the old one.
gonna self repair the old one
junior ore
most likely just box damage no big deal really
astral haven
NSA key is a conspiracy theory
NSA key was how the us prevented export of devices containing high (over 40 bit) encryption
And the NSA did in the past enforce a ban on exporting devices that support "128b encryption"
Now it's legacy support bs
pale sigil
most likely just box damage no big deal really
Oh ofc, i just find it baffling.
Should have seen the poor Wooting One returns i had....
Boxes would come destroyed, beaten up and sometimes it was so bad it was covered in DPD tape.
@reef patrol suffer
reef patrol
Oh dear-
pale sigil
Was pretty common for the returns in the UK and Germany.
junior ore
what the heck >.>
pale sigil
This was mostly an Amazon issue though.
Back in the olde days when stuff was handled manually
tropic nacelle
Except Cisco doesn't have backdoors
I mean clearly non intentional vulnerabilities which could definitely be intentional.
It's definitely just as bad if not worse than Huawei with leaving debug code in.
Its funny for the UK kicking off and then continuing to use Cisco as if that's fine.
astral haven
Cia said to keep the bugs
Cisco complied for some time but eventually patched them
Also be aware that the us is not china
tropic nacelle
So backdoors then right? 🙂
Doesn't matter if they were told to they did it and then say they are better than another for doing even less.
I don't see much of a problem for the US but in other countries it seems like that should be "fuck off" just the same as they all climbed on Huawei for
astral haven
Yes?
The difference is most countries using us equipment are directly allied...
Not so for huawei
And now in modern times, the companies understand they need to lock everything down to the best of their abilities, and the us complies with that by having interception boxes just outside
cursive summit
Lol what
I'm gone at that point, see you crypto.com
Person that goes by that name and surname no longer exists
reef patrol
junior ore
"No don't stop come back"
wheat plume
vagrant pagoda
And now in modern times, the companies understand they need to lock everything d...
Lol outside...
More like inside your isp
And the company that issues your certs
astral haven
And if they say no, it's outside then 🤷♂️
vagrant pagoda
I mean who actually says no
Apple only said no because the knew the FBI had a backdoor on their devices, and didn't want to admit it
And they won that in the end
pale sigil
Ohhh you cant use more than one mouse on the same sensor
On logitech
Which tbf
makes complete sense
astral haven
What
ashen spindle
what sort of frankenmouse did you plan to make
pale sigil
new mouse and i just bloody dropped it
ashen spindle
and then?
wheat plume
A security exploit that uses SATA CABLES.... CALLED SATAN? XD smart
misty saffron
IT people love their puns
vagrant pagoda
A security exploit that uses SATA CABLES.... CALLED SATAN? XD smart
That's old school attack
They used to read crt emissions, then floppy drive head emi, and the same for hard drives. Also can do the same with supersonic audio.
slow garnet
You'd be surprised by how many ways you can exfiltrate data.
If you wanna be safe, bury it inside a steel container (faraday) 18 feet underground with it's own power source. As you can tell, this is highly unrealistic.
The better option is probably to buy TEMPEST verified equipment, or having a well designed, but metal case.
Additionally, cops/gov agencies will likely use this as a last resort, as it requires some work to get some results. Or maybe they won't, who knows.
Here's an another way: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1804.04014.pdf
TL;DR: exfiltrating data by "regulating the CPU utilization" via powerlines.
Or alternatively: use a non-electric based typewriter and/or pen/pencil and paper
cursive summit
cursive summit
non-X SKUs are news afaik
ashen spindle
cpu-z adds support for cpus and placeholder for potential new cpus
insane news
shadow minnow
junior ore
@cursive summit its just template updates.
But various journalists always go OHMERGAWHDZ. Every single time.
cursive summit
empty wren
Oh no it cannot write
pale sigil
Probably the shitty adapter I'm using
I'll do it through my laptop
Wait no I can use my deck
Duh
vagrant pagoda
What card is it supposed to be
pale sigil
junior ore
the packaging has that legit indent along the edgies. So good chance its real.
would need to look at images of the SD card and compare with others t check the symbols and such
reef patrol
With that exact app?
When I reviewed NVME's even using different versions of of Crystaldiskmark could give wildly different results with the same tests.
vagrant pagoda
The evos are that consistent either
I don't test with a deck but I have a good reader
pale sigil
When I reviewed NVME's even using different versions of of Crystaldiskmark could...
Kdiskmark
Trying it on my laptop soon
reef patrol
Kdiskmark
You misunderstand - You said other reviews got a certain speed 😉
I'm just making sure you're comparing apples to apples here.
vagrant pagoda
I have 2 prograde v60s. They fly
vagrant pagoda
It's not physically the same as card though or device, or software version.
pale sigil
I mean, I guess but there's loads of reviews and benchies
You'd expect it to be close
Better
astral haven
Yes but the speed per volume occupied is insane lmao
pale sigil
I get this times 100 <:dogekek:846285268289323069>
Wtf you chatting
shadow minnow
Wtf you chatting
What?
pale sigil
How does a HDD get 100x more
Oh
Ignore me
You meant your nvme
But also this is an SD card
shadow minnow
I know it’s still kinda slow too
Or well couldn’t use this with cannon EOS R5 for anything but standard photos
The videos sometimes require like 500mbps
vagrant pagoda
Yeah and cfexpress used 10x+ the power than uhs-ii micro sd
There is a reason SD only uses micro sd
And small nvme ssds
Those watts add up quick.
shadow minnow
Well there are like 300mbps sd cards I think
vagrant pagoda
V90 is the highest spec for SD cards, which is minimum 90MB/s
Loads can burst higher.
astral haven
90MB/s = 720mbps
shadow minnow
Pain
Wdym pain in UK I always get way less
And here it’s also always less
Privileged people problems
“Oh no my internet is only 3 times faster than one of the average person”
junior ore
I remember the days of slowly waiting for flash games to finish loading.
shadow minnow
I have 10 Mbps internet in UK, like 1 up.
And usually it’s less. Usually my download speeds are genuinely under 1MBps
pale sigil
pale sigil
Wdym pain in UK I always get way less
It's a write speed thing I'm saying pain too
I get much more
shadow minnow
Can’t relate 
pale sigil
I usually get 52mb/s
shadow minnow
I usually get 1, maybe 7 or 8 in Slovakia
reef patrol
Eh... Not like they sell in EU
I'll live my life in perfect ignorance of the supposed perfect screwdriver
crimson wigeon
But what about the warranty
reef patrol
Warranty: Dude trust me.
stark bobcat
dafuq kinda warranty do I need for a screwdriver lmfao
reef patrol
You'd be surprised if it's a daily driver. Broken or missing bits et cetera
cursive summit
I do like how Linus is always
"We are a company now, I always wanted to be like the big boys"
Then goes "Wtf have I ever done to you? Dude just trust me"
stark bobcat
tbh for broken bits I'd just buy new ones
cursive summit
Idk man, but you don't ever trust companies
stark bobcat
also missing bits is a common occurrence for me lmfao but idk if that would be something to use a warranty for
empty wren
You'd be surprised if it's a daily driver. Broken or missing bits et cetera
ifixit has a lifetime warranty for example so long as you buy directly from them
vagrant pagoda
dafuq kinda warranty do I need for a screwdriver lmfao
I've broken 1000s of dollars in screw drivers in my life lol
cursive summit
I like GN's take on Linus's warranty
Call them out, hold them accountable for taking advantage and ridiculing people who were unhappy
stark bobcat
idk why we still talk about that petty shit
cursive summit
And increase their own warranty
vagrant pagoda
idk why we still talk about that petty shit
It's not petty
My $5 harbor freight screwdrivers have lifetime warranty
Any hand tool worth it's salt has lifetime
stark bobcat
and they have warranty now I don't agree with linus at all but at this point the topic is becoming tiresome
vagrant pagoda
Yeah
They should have just had one to start
And his excuse was horrible
But it was just off the cuff
stark bobcat
I mean his remarks on how much he made on the t-shirt afterwards were also rly off putting but at this point I know what I think about that situation
cursive summit
The biggest fuck up in that whole situation, imo, was
"Oh yeah you were complaining about warranty? How about I stuff a shirt down your throat instead"
vagrant pagoda
I really really doubt that it's better than my snap on
stark bobcat
like even luke seemed like he didn't enjoy that
vagrant pagoda
Screw driver is the only snap on tool I use regularly
cursive summit
like even luke seemed like he didn't enjoy that
Luke was a voice of reason during that whole thing
I do watch WAN shows a bit
And Luke ALWAYS has to shut up Linus
vagrant pagoda
No the shirt is the most on brand thing about it.
stark bobcat
he is friends with linus and he seemed uncomfortable with that
cursive summit
He just goes to vent on and on about unrelated things
But yeah Linus could not comprehend the situation at all
vagrant pagoda
Someone made it as an insult on Twitter and they made it real
cursive summit
That's why when Linus said "What did I ever do to you? Why don't you trust me?"
Luke was like "That's not the point, you are not understanding"
Linus, I bet, still can't understand the situation
stark bobcat
That's why when Linus said "What did I ever do to you? Why don't you trust me?"
he isn't exactly wrong but he didn't get the point others were making
cursive summit
He is a businessman
Has a lot of people working for him
Doesn't really have to care about bills that much anymore
He has, so to say, detached from the rest of us
frozen ingot
luke cringing the whole time during linus antics made that show
stark bobcat
good? no good?
vagrant pagoda
Better than GN or der8aures
Quailty wise
Though my GN shirts are og ones
I didn't get any with my mod mat or cups
frozen ingot
I woulda liked a mod mat but shipping and potentially custom fees from the US makes it risky
stark bobcat
don't have any of those but that sounds like they are not bad
stark bobcat
I woulda liked a mod mat but shipping and potentially custom fees from the US ma...
I got a gn mousepad and I didn't have to pay any fees but maybe I was just lucky
frozen ingot
yeah its pretty random, sometimes you get lucky and customs doesn't bone you with fees
stark bobcat
every time I order from china I "get lucky"
aka they do not declare the value most of the time
(correctly that is)
stark bobcat
what do u guys recon the best case latency is on steam link via ethernet?
empty wren
To be fair, that sounds inexpensive
wheat plume
meanwhile in America, LTE speeds can get above 100Mbps
junior ore
depends on whos your provider
misty saffron
the cheapest one
junior ore
in america you can get both super faster internet and dog shit internet. and at the same time.
ashen spindle
spoiler alert thats true for everywhere in the world
misty saffron
maybe not in eritrea
ashen spindle
even on the Galapagos I'd bet
misty saffron
or turkmenistan
ashen spindle
hell my speed drops to like half if I move to the othe side of the room because this house has tons of seel in the wall
ashen spindle
hm not sure if I'd prefer dead seals over steel in my walls
reef patrol
ashen spindle
look if they insulate properly and let me run more cables through the walls I've got no qualms with that
ashen spindle
government is recharging them still
ashen spindle
im getting scamemd too on my ethernet, 10% below max smh
pulsar canopy
in america you can get both super faster internet and dog shit internet. and at...
And to add on to this, both are going to be expensive af
misty saffron
im getting scamemd too on my ethernet, 10% below max smh
i’d call it uploadlangsamkeit instead
glad scroll
kinda wanna get one to see
I can tell if it makes a difference, I ordered one for myself. Wasn't fast enough for wave 1 though, so it'll take until October 30th before it gets shipped out.
If you only buy the screwdriver, you might get around the import fees cause it becomes like like 120 euro total with it + taxes + shipping. I believe the import fees kicks in at 160 euro or above, but there are lots of edge cases.
ashen spindle
oh wow they finally increased that
I thought we're still on 22€ as the free limit lol
reef patrol
Hmm? It's 22€ and above.
ashen spindle
no its 150 here now
reef patrol
Here - where?
ashen spindle
germany
glad scroll
22 euro? Hmm I'll have to double check then 
ashen spindle
you still get eu tax but not import tax on it
22 euro was still juli 2021
so relatively recent change
chrome estuary
misty saffron
you can do on snapchat if you're shy
reef patrol
you still get eu tax but not import tax on it
Has that EVER been an issue? The trouble is always that pesky "we inspected your package so you pay us for the service" fee.
ashen spindle
...yes?
fucking had to pay import on two t shirts I ordered a while ago before that change
reef patrol
I have literally never ordered something from outside of the EU that managed to cost import fees 😄
Must be some expensive shirts if you exceeded 150€ on two shirt order.
reef patrol
Yes - Which triggers you needing to pay taxes and a "check" fee.
ashen spindle
yes... and the change is now that you dont do that for below 150 instead of below 22 now...
reef patrol
Well.. you do here 😄
Old rules here:
Below ~12€ in total with shipping? We don't give a shit. Just take the package.
Above 12€? We charge you 22€ in handling fees plus danish sales tax (VAT)
New rules
You get to pay the handling fee (unless the seller is set up for the new EU toll system) and sales taxes above... 0
ashen spindle
well not for here, where the person in question lives 😛
misty saffron
meanwhile aliexpress sellers valuing everything at $2
stark bobcat
no its 150 here now
huge tbh
ashen spindle
yeah I was quite peeved when I noticed ordering 2 shirts seperately and pay double shipping would've been cheaper back then
so its a welcome change
glad scroll
Old rules here:
Below ~12€ in total with shipping? We don't give a shit. Just t...
I mean, the system in Sweden is pretty much the same. I am a bit curious how this is going to work, because they added sale tax to the LTT order at checkout, so I wonder if they are going to check that and just charge the import fees or if they are gonna try to charge the sale tax twice on top of the already paid tax.
What a cluster fuck importing is
reef patrol
I mean, the system in Sweden is pretty much the same. I am a bit curious how thi...
If they're adding VAT, then it sounds like LTT has signed up for the new EU system. Cause otherwise they would have zero reason to do so. You don't charge sales tax on an export.
stark bobcat
I mean, the system in Sweden is pretty much the same. I am a bit curious how thi...
lmk how it goes for u depending on that I ll see if I buy it
glad scroll
lmk how it goes for u depending on that I ll see if I buy it
I checked my national tax agency and from what I can find they are still subject to import fees even with just the screwdriver.
79 USD + 24 USD (30% VAT) + 25 USD (Shipping) + 33 USD (Import fees) = 161 USD in grand total
To make it even worse, I think that shipping is boat shipping for 25 USD
stark bobcat
I guess it's wake me up when they make an eu store
reef patrol
I checked my national tax agency and from what I can find they are still subject...
That makes no sense. They shouldn't charge sales tax on export orders.
132$ all in all for a Danish order.
cursive summit
Ahaha this is a major L for videocardz
They were so wrong, they changed the title
Yet URL remains old
cursive summit
They really couldn't cope with leaking false info 12 hours early
fading wing
Videocardz doesn't leak anything. They aggregate leaks from other people. So in this case its a Wccftech fail.
cursive summit
Well those are just a joke
VCZ been getting sad as well with their false click bait
cursive summit
MLID needs to get shunned
Absolutely 0 credibility
For some reason, still relevant
glad scroll
That makes no sense. They shouldn't charge sales tax on export orders.
Oh yeah I did check and it is as you say, only price of goods + shipping + toll/customs(6.5%) + import fees(25%). I wonder why they charged tax on checkout then?
Never mind, they provides statement on it to contact support if you do get charged VAT twice. ( https://www.lttstore.com/pages/statement-on-taxes-in-europe-uk-and-norway )
misty saffron
URLs generally never change.
usually title changes generate a new link, old link becomes a redirect
shit website dev
ashen spindle
I dont see it as something bad that VCZ updates the title with more info since the article was unchanged and just added the updates
I personally hate "OLD TITLE [updated]" and then the title is wrong still
and as was said they just aggregate stuff and link it so its not like they removed a source to look more credible
vagrant pagoda
in america you can get both super faster internet and dog shit internet. and at...
I can get max 5/.7mbit dsl for 80 bucks, 1200/45 cable for 60, 1gbps fiber for 230, or 3gbps fiber for 300
At the same address
vagrant pagoda
Uncapped
pulsar canopy
My house only has cable, and it’s $100 for “1200/20”
Uncapped, it’s $130
Even with Ethernet, max I’ve seen is 700 Mbps
stark bobcat
lmao imagine getting throttled home internet
pulsar canopy
It’s xfinity hella ass
They have a monopoly in my area
Only other option is 25 Mbps for $50 from AT&T
stark bobcat
hot take but
vagrant pagoda
You have Comcast?
pulsar canopy
Ye
stark bobcat
monopolies bad
pulsar canopy
It’s the only option for me
vagrant pagoda
The newest ones have a red port/dot which is 2.5gbe
vagrant pagoda
Odd
Complain
They gave me cable when the water company hit my fiber
And I had no issues getting 1200+
pulsar canopy
On wifi I’m only getting 1/4th of the advertised speeds
stark bobcat
lmao wifi
vagrant pagoda
Unless you live in bum fuck no where with only a single device
pulsar canopy
I have the router in the living room so sometimes I use wifi
I mean it isn’t bad
I’ve never had issues with online gaming
Etc
vagrant pagoda
Yeah
I love fiber because upload
I can do a 100mb video to discord faster than gify embeds
stark bobcat
me when in germany 10 years behind on internet infrastructure
resorting to vectoring to get higher speeds
lol
vagrant pagoda
Lol
I moved and brought my fiber
The install kills you though
But I'm a turbo nerd
I only spend money on computers, 3d printers and guns
deft marlin
wifi is only for things without an ethernet port
Gaming laptops - now hold up wait a minute
stark bobcat
You heard me
junior ore
why the fuck is it 70 dollars
damn dude is cashing in on his brand name
there's a specific term for this
when a company trades the trust of their consumers to burn them for quick cash injection
astral haven
It's $70 because this is the unit it's based on, and he's fitting double the tips in it and a fancier ratcheting mechanism
https://megaprotools.com/products/stainless-steel-screwdriver
Also it's sufficiently manufactured in Canada to get made in Canada branding
empty wren
why the fuck is it 70 dollars
Linus said it was justification of details and quality¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Besides what Carmonben said, they worked quite a bit to hide moulding marks, made sure it was comfortable at different use angles, strongest magnet they could fit the list goes on
astral haven
It's literally just the cost of made in Canada compared to a similar quality alternative
empty wren
Well that too
astral haven
Also there are $300+ screwdrivers
empty wren
From the same company?
empty wren
Ah alright
astral haven
And I'll admit I ordered an ltt screwdriver
But I am aware that most of the cost is just paying for labs which is my intended goal by supporting them
empty wren
But I am aware that most of the cost is just paying for labs which is my intende...
Right probably also goes for the backpack too
astral haven
:/
Well the backpack probably is carrying its own weight lel
Despite the controversy it's selling like crazy
empty wren
Alright then
vagrant pagoda
why the fuck is it 70 dollars
My go-to is a $70 snapon
And that's $70 for just the handle no shaft or tips
I had bits though
This has a female 1/4 drive inside
And takes different shafts
junior ore
The dude literally posts videos about bragging about the stupid amount of money wasted on the craziest of things. I don't think he has issues with money for "lab" development for a fuckin screw driver.
but. I guess so long as it has actual quality and durability. and warranty then sure, 70 dollars.
empty wren
but. I guess so long as it has actual quality and durability. and warranty the...
I thought it lacks warranty skill
astral haven
The dude literally posts videos about bragging about the stupid amount of money ...
You didn't watch the videos
Yes he does clickbait about the money but the videos themselves definetly aren't bragging lel
junior ore
or if it has the most fucking satisfying mechanical operation sound ever made that will please and orgasm my ears.
astral haven
I thought it lacks warranty skill<:mm:638142954841833512>
Nah they have a normal limited lifetime
thin saffron
I just mod my G303 Shroud Edition and got the same weight as the G Pro Superlight
empty wren
Nah they have a normal limited lifetime
Ah so guess EU people got triggered by lack of extended warranty then
junior ore
You didn't watch the videos
Yes he does clickbait about the money but the videos...
more or less exaggerating. but it is bragging to "I SPENT XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX ON THIS!!!" as your title and thumbnail.
astral haven
Clickbait vs bragging is different
junior ore
aye. but my point still stands : he's got shitloads of money and able to show off stupidly expensive things. some of it borrowed and some of it not and some of it thrown away because he had to break something
you know he breaks stuff 😂
empty wren
He dropped a screwdriver actually
junior ore
there's like a current meme about him breakign solid state cards I think
astral haven
As far as I know he hasn't actually personally broken anything by dropping it
astral haven
aye. but my point still stands : he's got shitloads of money and able to show o...
And back to this
He doesn't actually spend that much for a 70 person company lel
junior ore
dude dropped the screen of a very expensive imac when it came out brand new
empty wren
That was Anthony
junior ore
could have sworn it was him? 🤔
astral haven
Nope
junior ore
either way its still LTT and the crew often joke about him breaking something
junior ore
ah found it. yup was big oof
i don't understand what you said. I said breaking.
I said breaking and you're saying "doesn't count as breaking" ????
empty wren
It is okay though African starving children were not gonna eat anyways
astral haven
The joke is Linus drop tips not Linus break tips
empty wren
astral haven
and even so
when you work with tons of stuff, eventually accidents happen
empty wren
They just manage to capture it on the tape
astral haven
yeup
oak kayak
It's $70 because this is the unit it's based on, and he's fitting double the tip...
Let's not forget the amount of time and resources spent on making this. If you watch the video about the screwdriver, it shows how much actually went into it. I think this was a big eye opener for a group of media guys to see what hurdles and difficulties engineers have to go through to produce even a relatively simple product.
deft marlin
You heard me
Gaming laptops have Ethernet ports though
deft marlin
I just mod my G303 Shroud Edition and got the same weight as the G Pro Superligh...
What’d you do
Also is it that much heavier by stock lol
I believe the Shroud Edition is 72g at stock
oh wait, that is significant lmao
thin saffron
Change the battery and cutting plastic mainly
deft marlin
Mhm
I’ve heard that changes balance though
Like you feel the mouse is smaller/your grip is further behind the body than it really is
thin saffron
Yep now is perfectly balanced
thin saffron
Look where I place the battery, the stock was on the middle
deft marlin
Look where I place the battery, the stock was on the middle
Oh you cut that much plastic? 
final flame
I sure as heck ain't buying it unless its an electric screw driver
just because it's electric it doesn't mean it's good
battery life is iffy if you were to fit it in that small size
he wants it to be for fine work just as much for general purpose
making something electric would remove the granularity of a normal driver
the only drivers that are small that are also electric run on capacitors that you have to recharge every few minutes of using it
and they have too much torque to be practical for fine work
astral haven
its not that small
its a full size driver
ive got an electric driver half the size that can turn for an hour
final flame
smaller than the capacitor electric driver I have
astral haven
thats highly disappointing lmao
the ltt screwdriver is the size of a full size ratcheting driver
my electric driver is about the same size as just the shaft of the ltt driver
final flame
this is it
mild dome
Part of the cost is from licensing a patent. Irc the screwdrivers from other brands using the same patent cost about the same
astral haven
nah there are cheaper ones
final flame
it has torque but it's difficult to control, only really good for furniture
mild dome
Where?
harsh mulch
does anyone know if the 60he has a 6.25u size spacebar
final flame
yes, it's all standard
mild dome
megapros official website lel
Not their ratcheting screwdriver lel
Question is, does Linus'design exceed megapros?
astral haven
so it is not
heres the ratcheting one
https://megaprotools.com/products/automotive-ratcheting-star-screwdriver
final flame
Question is, does Linus'design exceed megapros?
depends on use case
astral haven
Question is, does Linus'design exceed megapros?
the difference between linus and megapro is the linus one has a stronger magnet, the ratchet you turn the direction you wish to turn the driver instead of the reverse, and made in canada
mild dome
Are lighter springs harder to manufacture?
Main difference in cost is likely down to scale
astral haven
nah
its probably mostly canadian manufacturing cost
tho I suspect linus may have the price a bit higher than normal to make back the money they lost with their original manufacturer
mild dome
Linus' design apparently uses a lighter spring.
Like the ratchet driver is expensive as hell, but I've had a lot of ratchet driver seize up after a little bit of use. So it would make sense to me that Linus decided to go for quality above all else
astral haven
well ill find out i guess
timid chasm
I love Project Farm
fair gull
"review"
fair gull
Question is, does Linus'design exceed megapros?
did u watch their vid showing the design?
mild dome
The one where they showed off their engineering and design studio. They talked about the screwdriver then
fair gull
no they uploaded a special vid just for the driver
and how its designed and why it took 3 yrs
mild dome
Didn't know it took a whole 3 years heez
halcyon moss
that screwdriver vid is very long.. too long for an ad :p
fair gull
cause its not an ad lol
reef patrol
Ryzen runs hot
Water still wet 😄
cursive summit
"Ryzen 9 7950X Hits Up To 95C Thermal Threshold at 230W"
ashen spindle
aka, cpu gets warm if you give it power
ashen spindle
why did you link this again
cursive summit
I can see it, I think
"Ryzen 5 7600X Hitting Up To 90C at 120W"
See that's more interesting
60W on the 16 core is like, okay, defo it'll get hot
15W extra to hit 90? That's interesting
ashen spindle
no its not because we literally know nothing about how the setup is and what was run
yes they will run hotter than zen3 since its denser
thats about all we know
stark bobcat
"Ryzen 5 7600X Hitting Up To 90C at 120W"
what does this even mean like it just the bare cpu or what no info on the setup
cursive summit
misty saffron
It happebink
only if you have twitter blue
fair gull
I mean it is.
eh id say half and half it has a lot of engineering talk
misty saffron
hiding an edit button behind a paywall is truly something
reef patrol
eh id say half and half it has a lot of engineering talk
A real genius can turn 30minutes of engineering talk into a 30min advert for your product 😉
ashen spindle
wooting update vlogs also were ads for the keyboard sorta
reef patrol
When I checked the LTT shop they were already on the 4th batch of screwdrivers. Well they call them "waves"
misty saffron
A real genius can turn 30minutes of engineering talk into a 30min advert for you...
them wearing their own merch all the time is already genius marketing, considering how cheap the merch is
you wouldn’t wear something that feels terrible all the time
reef patrol
They talked about this on their live show. They actually have so many staff now that they can't give it to staff members, or they'd run out fast. 😄
So they're forced to figure out how to prioritise those on camera without turning into a class system.
reef patrol
shadow minnow
I mean it is.
Well that’s like calling every wooting video an add then.
reef patrol
😏
vagrant pagoda
*Ryzen runs hot*
Water still wet 😄
High end CPU auto-clocks to tjmax who would of guessed
Who doesn't do that lol
astral haven
I mean it is.
Marketing isn't an advertisement
The ads were already out, this is just supporting marketing
astral haven
Who doesn't do that lol
Intel on desktops
Zen 1 and 2
They didn't quite but almost doubled the power usage
135w to 230w is a crazy jump
Air coolers aren't gonna work well, and low end water is gonna be terrible
They also massively increased the ihs thickness which will further make the problem worse
ashen spindle
Well tdp isn't PPT and also not the exact power draw
ashen spindle
not by default
vagrant pagoda
Run a stock cooler on any high-end cpu
ashen spindle
unless you mean without cooling headroom like a stock cooler, but then its not really clocking to tjmax and more just stock clocks running into it already lol
astral haven
Yea the difference is Zen 4 will be doing this on 240 and 360 clcs lmao
vagrant pagoda
That's what boost is
reef patrol
Marketing isn't an advertisement
The ads were already out, this is just supporti...
Disagree.
astral haven
The temperature limits do exist, but Zen 1 and 2 and Intel generally have it tuned to power limit
ashen spindle
until alder lake you could give it all the headroom and intel wouldn't even go to constant PL1 even if temperatures would allow it
astral haven
Disagree.
That's fine, but I'm talking about the definitions, you can disagree with the definitions all you want but they aren't changinf
The last CPU I remember that would boost up to thermal throttle on literally every air cooler and even good water coolers was the 9590
And I don't think amd wants to bring that back lel
ashen spindle
yeah not with people constantly thinking 80C is killing a cpu because surely thats too hot
astral haven
No, a non tech person will say "what does that mean, the number isn't red so that's fine right?"
stark bobcat
well I have talked to non tech people and they were scared of 80C
ashen spindle
the real danger lies in people with just some knowledge to understand what some parts mean and think they know what all of it means form that
fickle ore
the real danger lies in people with just some knowledge to understand what some ...
MEMEMEM
astral haven
well I have talked to non tech people and they were scared of 80C
Yea those aren't non tech people
Those are inexperienced tech people
stark bobcat
hmm I guess maybe
ashen spindle
nah I'd wager also non tech people who just, idk, cooked water before think 80C is hot
astral haven
Yes but how would non tech people even see the temperature
Alt of folks I told at my last job I said the computer is running a little warm out their hand on the palmrest of the laptop and said no it seems fine
ashen spindle
¯_(ツ)_/¯
stark bobcat
I mean before I became a tech person I had my gpu manufacturers software installed which gave me a temp readout not that I knew what to do with that info
astral haven
And they would say that while the software to report temps is sitting right in front of them saying 90c in big red numbers
fickle ore
nah I'd wager also non tech people who just, idk, cooked water before think 80C ...
80 is hot
fickle ore
My temp is now 56 and its hooooot af
fickle ore
ignore him he's trolling
how rude
final flame
80c is a bit on the hot side for a gpu,
cpu would be somewhat fine at that temp
astral haven
It's not hot for either
fickle ore
ignore him he's trolling
I know it's within the safelimits but tbh I still kinda consider it very hot for normal operation. Possibly airflow issues or running some 3080 tier gpu
astral haven
80c is a very meh temperature
It's not cool
It's not hot
It's just meh
final flame
it also depends on the gpu, some can run hotter than others
astral haven
Remember transistors melt at 150c
At least for normal CPU silicon
Gan based 230c CPUs when
fickle ore
80c is a very meh temperature
It's not cool
It's not hot
It's just meh
take a shower in 80c and tell me its not hot!!
stark bobcat
silicon doesn't need to bathe
astral haven
take a shower in 80c and tell me its not hot!!
The day I become a cpu I will give it a shot and let you know
tropic nacelle
80c is actually nominal temps for most GPUs (pc anyway).
3080 memory is rated for 105c normal temp operations and the actual GPU die is safer than that.
80c is "cool" relative to maximum operating temps.