such as with the case of wooting
#๐โtech
frozen ingot
reef patrol
If you buy an ASUS laptop from a retailer and it breaks within 2 year warranty, you send it to the seller. Who then sends it to ASUS's repair facility in the Netherlands. They make a judgement call on whether or not they agree with the warranty claim.
If they agree, then it's repair or refund time (depending on what's possible and sane in terms of cost)
But at no point are YOU - FORCED to deal with ASUS directly.
However with some brands it might be faster to contact them yourself - Like Logitech.
ashen spindle
this even says you can still hold the seller accountable, it merely adds that they can be like "hey I think its easier if you ask oculus to fix it" but if you dont want that you can still get the seller to honor the warranty
reef patrol
Where their response is usually "take a mallet and fuck the shit up - send us a pic and we send you a new one".
pale sigil
Im not arguing, im telling you how it is and has been for many years which is why i always shopped at Amazon.
Shops make it hassle before you can go through them after 1 year.
reef patrol
And I'm pointing out that shops have been lying to you - successfully ๐
Anyway to return to your original problem - Surely the UK has a consumer rights org you can contact? Here in Denmark you pay them 50โฌ up front and they sue the seller/manufacturer on your behalf. And then you get your money back when it's over. No involvement required to you.
frozen ingot
no store in their right mind here would insist that you should contact the manufacturer directly if you bought it from their store
they'd get shit reviews and lose business rapidly
pale sigil
Does not matter, its the norm here they ask you go to the manufacture.
before and now
reef patrol
they'd get shit reviews and lose business rapidly
You'd be surprised how often big chains do this and get away with it.
Then someone with a minimum of legal experience grab hold of the tabloids who provoke a scandal, a fine is issued and people forget about it after a while.
Rinse repeat.
stark bobcat
reminds me of the time my asus laptop broke 1 month after the 2 years were over
ashen spindle
well the point we learned is that ADATA is fine to get unless you are in the UK 
frozen ingot
big chains with physical stores here are living on borrowed time fighting against online shopping and they know it, so they'll bend over backwards to get your issue sorted more often than not in hopes of keeping you as a customer
pale sigil
This, companies have always done this in the UK, they use the requirement of manufacture to prove the fault as proof to execute the warranty.
reef patrol
You're not downloading a driver though ๐
frozen ingot
downloading a driver isn't the same as contacting them for support though
ashen spindle
that just says you are expected to see if the manufacturer has a workign fix for it
not that you need to go to them
reef patrol
This, companies have always done this in the UK, they use the requirement of man...
No - They're successfully pulling your nose. Like it or not. You've been hoodwinked my dude.
reef patrol
strongly recommend
RECOMMEND
reef patrol
pale sigil
they make you go through hoops first
frozen ingot
yeah, they don't suggest that here
stark bobcat
well you are not in the eu so maybe that is legal
reef patrol
They make you go through hoops - Until you quote the EU law to them and ask for a manager if they still refuse to follow the law. In the EU.
You brits can do whatever you wish now - You're free ๐
pale sigil
well you are not in the eu so maybe that is legal
None of our laws have changed
We still use EU laws.
Last law renewal was 2015 and it was on top of eu lawe
reef patrol
clearly not
stark bobcat
dunno dont live in the uk ๐คทโโ๏ธ
ashen spindle
no under eu law the last line you posted would not be enforceable
a shop can not overwrite warranty law to that extent
if it was made and not challenged doesnt mean it would be valid
frozen ingot
UK warranty getting some american imposter terms by the looks of it 
pale sigil
I swear to fucking god.
Im just telling you my experience and others, its why i always went with Amazon, a good example, hell even Amazon told me to go to Logitech and not them.
In the past
With my g502 before brexit.
reef patrol
And I have - repeatedly pointed out that you've been had ๐
pale sigil
And it was sold/dispatched by amazon.
frozen ingot
seems they just want to get rid of you and not do their job
junior ore
That can suck being ping ponged. But if the product is logitech and the issue is with it then you go to Logitech
stark bobcat
That can suck being ping ponged. But if the product is logitech and the issue i...
not by eu law
frozen ingot
That can suck being ping ponged. But if the product is logitech and the issue i...
not here you dont
pale sigil
Im just telling you they must be doing something to make it legal.
junior ore
Well sure in the USA we have returns and all that jazz too
reef patrol
Im just telling you they must be doing something to make it legal.
Pre-Brexit they were straight up lying to get out of warranty and expect no one knew better.
pale sigil
Sure
frozen ingot
Well sure in the USA we have returns and all that jazz too
so do we, its nothing unique to your system
pale sigil
We also had our own laws on top of EU law
in 2015 which has not changed.
Not saying it overwrites it
before you say that
frozen ingot
you return it to the place where you bought it and they sort it out
pale sigil
But we had both EU law and UK consumer law
frozen ingot
simple as that
junior ore
So EU laws have it where the seller has to be the ones to go through to the manufacturers?
frozen ingot
yes
stark bobcat
So EU laws have it where the seller has to be the ones to go through to the manu...
yes
ashen spindle
well yeah every country has its own laws based upon eu guidelines
junior ore
interesting but doesn't that screw over smaller companies that don't have enough logistics? ( not saying amazon can't do it)
ashen spindle
So EU laws have it where the seller has to be the ones to go through to the manu...
if you want it, it obviously doesnt prevent you from going to lets say logitech or oculus directly if for whatever reason it makes more sense in that case
frozen ingot
if the smaller company is selling to a store/vendor, its their responsibility to honor any returns just like everyone else
pale sigil
So in this case they used this back before we left to tell me to go to Oculus and start an RMA, they then used that to offer a replacement.
Some stores dont bother but a lot do.
junior ore
right, for returns. but also future RMAs?
pale sigil
So they must be abusing this law in 2015 idfk
ashen spindle
like. at what point does the seller not have to do it?
after the mandatory 2 year warranty
shadow minnow
Shops make it hassle before you can go through them after 1 year.
Not here
Here itโs exactly the same as 2 years
Every single shop I bought from at least
Maybe thatโs why Amazon isnโt doing so here too, we have alza and alza is superior
reef patrol
like. at what point does the seller not have to do it?
If a manufacturer offers 4 year warranty, then the last two years of that is past the EU warranty. So you're at the mercy of the manufacturer's whims.
pale sigil
My point is they use whatever law they can to say its a manufacture warranty and you need to exhaust xyz after 6 months. Even years ago.
Its why i never went to certain stores again, ever again.
ashen spindle
that still doesnt change if you say "no by eu law you need to deal with it so deal with it" they would have had to take care of it
no longer the case obviously
pale sigil
Argos, Aria, Ebuyer and some others, they make it hassle.
But you were still entitled.
reef patrol
If someone tells you to jump off a bridge and you don't respond "No fuck you - I know my rights", then it's on you for jumping off the bridge, but the seller is still on the hook for fines and fraud ๐
junior ore
aye. when my Radeon VII went all screwy, as they do, I went to XFX. RMAd a couple times until they gave me a completely different card.
pale sigil
The problem is i think UK law in 2015 allowed the manufacture to make you go through these hoops.
I went through so much shit for my Oculus, like 20+ calls and 3 days.
reef patrol
See the lovely thing about EU law is... it couldn't be trumped. At all ๐
Well CAN. CAN NOT. For those of us still in it.
frozen ingot
we used to have a consumer rights show on tv that publically shamed companies that systematically tried to confuse and trick their customers about warranty and support errands
ashen spindle
aye. when my Radeon VII went all screwy, as they do, I went to XFX. RMAd a c...
as I said, it doesnt prevent you talking to the manufacturer since it can be easier but it just says if you want it you can tell the store that sold it to you to deal with it
pale sigil
w.e
reef patrol
we used to have a consumer rights show on tv that publically shamed companies th...
Same - We called ours (lie) detector. Basically full on hidden cameras hunting malicious companies for all manner of things. Police and lawyers involved as well.
stark bobcat
that sounds like a lovely show i bet we dont have that on german television
shadow minnow
we used to have a consumer rights show on tv that publically shamed companies th...
So like LMG
ashen spindle
sorta but with professionals
reef patrol
sorta but with professionals
shots fired
frozen ingot
ashen spindle
well I guess, not meant that way though, they just did it as consumers with a platform, not FCC employee or something
tropic nacelle
I don't recall our rights changing in the UK, your contract is with the seller not the manufacturer.
They can say it's quicker or easier to use the manufacturer but ultimately it's your legal right to have them fix it (by refund or repair, replacement)
pale sigil
yes and what im saying is they make it shitty
before they handle it
have you ever gone through Argos for hardware?
fucking awful.
reef patrol
Step 1: Know your rights.
Step 2: Tell the seller to fuck themselves, you know your rights ๐
shadow minnow
It may be shitty but it has to be in 30 days
pale sigil
Scan the only EU law we have changed so far is gdrp
tropic nacelle
Oh of course, I had to complain a lot with Currys as they refused to take my TV that was faulty and said I must go through Sony.
It was only 3 months old! I had to threaten take take them to small claims in the end and they refunded me instead
pale sigil
or w.e its called
shadow minnow
They always solve warranty stuff 28th day here
frozen ingot
sometimes I've went to the manufacturer directly for some inquiries but never on the advice of the seller, never gotten it suggested by them as far as I can recall
pale sigil
Oh of course, I had to complain a lot with Currys as they refused to take my TV ...
^ this shit.
frozen ingot
they typically insist on handling it
pale sigil
Sure, legally right but a lot of companies here and im talking about the biggest ones.
reef patrol
Oh of course, I had to complain a lot with Currys as they refused to take my TV ...
Of course they'll do that. If you go through the manufacturer, the seller won't have to pay a dime in replacements ๐
pale sigil
Try to use words and shit to prevent it and dont get done for it.
frozen ingot
Of course they'll do that. If you go through the manufacturer, the seller won't ...
or labor time handling the issue
junior ore
always remember : Companies have to by law ( within USA ) be represented by lawyers. And lawyers for corporations are stupidly expensive. They will gladly refund your stupid money before going that far.
tropic nacelle
I was net gains as the price of TV had dropped but yeah you have to be polite but firm, assume first of all the "normal" support is NOT a legal expert and will just follow company policy as they aren't trained for it.
It's why you must inform them of this right and then tell them to take it higher up if they refuse
shadow minnow
Even small shady kinda resellers that all use distributors and automate page still return normally here
pale sigil
Man, it was so stressful getting a replacement for my Oculus.
junior ore
and small claims can't bill you for the other's lawyer fees *me thinks
pale sigil
They eventually did when Oculus told them to stfu and replace it.
frozen ingot
amazon had only been here for about a year or two
shadow minnow
I am still pretty sure they have to deal with warranty claims in 30 days by law
tropic nacelle
I buy most of my stuff from Amazon because their customer support is excellent.... Awks.
They don't question me and take my sensible returns and broken stuff gets refunded if I can't get it fixed
pale sigil
Oculus did offer but said it would take 3 weeks or they could ring up and tell them they should be dealing with it bla bla
reef patrol
In my personal experiences UK warranty has always fucking sucked. Tried to do a warranty claim on a camera stand I bought on UK Amazon pre-brexit. Their UI wouldn't let me claim warranty after 30 days.
It wasn't expensive enough for me to bother enforcing my rights though, so I stopped buying there. And then Brexit made it easier to keep with ๐
pale sigil
Ya amazon support is amazing because they dont let the seller fight or say anything
shadow minnow
Just not sure when do the 30 days staff
pale sigil
Amazon is its own issue, great for consumer but not seller, however when the item is from a multiple million/billion company idc
But when its a small seller i dont like the way amazon just refund and charge the seller
tropic nacelle
My experience with oculus support was great, my cv1 touch controller broke and they replaced it within a week.
It seems they struggled with supply of late and the scale of sales, not that it's an acceptable excuse
frozen ingot
amazon isn't very popular here by the looks of it, they're getting by but they largely disappear in the sea of already established businesses
pale sigil
It would be insanely hot and cause the screen to look weird.
tropic nacelle
I remember scan being terrible back in the day, I always avoid buying motherboards from them as LOTS of people had RMAs rejected as boards suddenly appeared to have bent pins (they were sent in fine).
frozen ingot
the kind of storefront business model that they do have already been around for a long time from other companies
reef patrol
Yeah... Always take pictures of things like that.
I had to do that so many times as the SELLER to prove we weren't at fault.
ashen spindle
just always keep in mind: company = bad, make them work for their money
shadow minnow
Here alza sells in just as wide spectre as Amazon but everything is their own inventory, but they also treat employees better and warranty process is just as nice. So way better alternative. They ship to uk now too @pale sigil btw
But they are mostly Czechoslovakian.
They also used to have an OC team lol
tropic nacelle
Yeah it works both ways, it's never nice really. It's why I won't ever sell on eBay anymore as PayPal immediately sides with buyer, sell a GPU they claim it's broken and send back a different GPU and they get the money so you get ripped off.
shadow minnow
One sad thing is they donโt do cheap custom builds, they used to build from your selected components for 17โฌ
tropic nacelle
Completely unrelated note, for those looking at the lamzu Atlantis mouse in UK, zerksgamingmods will have it in-stock on Tuesday
pale sigil
Logitech are bae ngl
Sent a replacement g703 no questions asked and dont want my old one back.
frozen ingot
here a store replaced a brand new monitor that I discovered had its panel broken when powering it on, in hindsight it might even have been my fault unboxing and mounting the stand wrong since I didn't find any assembly instructions until I got the replacement one and it was kinda specific 
but they exchanged it for me with no arguing regardless
shadow minnow
Sent a replacement g703 no questions asked and dont want my old one back.
Issue is how often they break
pale sigil
My g403 lasted years.
shadow minnow
My first 703 hero was 22 months to double clicking
pale sigil
But the double click issues seem notorious, easy fix but i dont want to fix something i dont need to.
My side click went and my sensors were being funky, i cant really fix the sensor.
shadow minnow
Current one I have like two months and sth moving around inside
Idk what but sth is loose
pale sigil
Though the sensor has not acted up for a while.
I have spare mice switches in my draw lol
i wanted to fix my g403, i think i wore down the switch on right click.
shadow minnow
I wanted to mod the bottom puck to add qi wireless charging
Since it seems like their wireless may just have GND and 5V
shadow minnow
So could add any module there
Just the way itโs made it would be hard to fit it in
wheat plume
my cousin wants a new phone cause his screen is shattered beyond repair
and the bottom corner is broke too
and his mom doesnt want him to get a phone that can do 5G "cause its dangerous" .-.
and hes not having it xd
I showed him how to turn off 5G and to tell her you can do it
and shes not accepting that
shadow minnow
my cousin wants a new phone cause his screen is shattered beyond repair
and the ...
โฆ
tropic nacelle
Omg I bet they believe it causes COVID right??
wheat plume
idk....
wheat plume
So your parents are retards
no, my cousin's
but my mom is pretty fucking dumb too .-.
cursive summit
So yours and your cousin's parents are retards
wheat plume
Steam Deck 512GB Color accuracy results
cursive summit
That's pretty not good
ashen spindle
wellll
ow doesnt really have AC aside from the blizzard waren any battlenet game has
and well, it's not most effective
so I dont think that really counts
wheat plume
oooohh
ashen spindle
biggest deterrent was ow not being F2P
tropic nacelle
biggest deterrent was ow not being F2P
This right here, it seems companies completely forget how powerful this is!
People are less likely to use cheats or exploits when they can lose a product they paid for.
ashen spindle
oh I dont think they forgot about it, it's just cheaper to do anti cheat that you need any way and ban more people but rake in in mtx
tropic nacelle
I mean the stuff like Easy Anticheat doesnt work well enough, it seems exploited in most games to be honest!
I guess when its F2P they can easily add more microtransactions ๐ฆ
shadow minnow
Steam Deck 512GB Color accuracy results
Yeah that sucks a lot for srgb
empty wren
Not sure what was expected for what was it $400 to start
ashen spindle
well, not much and this is merely confirming it
dont think anyone expected amazing high end results
pale sigil
Or are they all Omron
kailh
frozen ingot
its pretty decent value for what's essentially a "handheld gaming pc"
but can't say I was super impressed with it from the hour or so in total I had to mess around with it
wheat plume
why not?
He found pretty nice artwork for the Heroic Store
Apparently Origin works really well on this, which is good cause I wanna try BF4 and 5
pale sigil
deck is great
pale sigil
Apparently Origin works really well on this, which is good cause I wanna try BF4...
ive played both
wheat plume
oh
howd it go?
Im sure its impossible to play BF4 cause of all the fucking dark scenes and way too over the top light bloom .-.
cant see shit most of the time on my large screen
ashen spindle
screen size doesnt affect contrast
wheat plume
yeh but it makes things harder to see in the distance
Speaking of Distance....someone in the Distance server said that the game Distance can be hard to play on Deck cause its hard to see the road ahead on some custom tracks on the small screen l-l
but I still wanna try it
empty wren
yeh but it makes things harder to see in the distance
What you do not wear binocular glasses
wheat plume
ahah xd
im so freaking excited to get mine <3
but I am not looking forward to playing FPS games with a controller.. xd I may play those docked
junior ore
Honestly with how fucked up my wrist gets long term in FPS : gyro aiming is so nice compared to mouse
frozen ingot
gotten too used to better screens on other devices so it comes off looking a bit dated, and its a very bulky unit, don't think those who appreciate the party piece of PC games on the go will care much though
wheat plume
I tried gyro on Switch..maybe the game was just laggy but I wasnt a fan
frozen ingot
I got no desire to own one though
empty wren
I tried gyro on Switch..maybe the game was just laggy but I wasnt a fan
Meant for micro movement if you did not know
wheat plume
its onky bulky cause ofo the grips, the main body is really thin
junior ore
@wheat plume the gyro on the switch comes through the annoying joycons >.<
junior ore
aye. the switch only looks bulky if you look at the front but from the top it's not so much different than switch
yeah but you can't configure or alter how the gyro controls work on the switch. you can make the gyro anything with Valve's version
frozen ingot
its a considerably larger unit overall, but switch is also no small potato
pale sigil
Im sure its impossible to play BF4 cause of all the fucking dark scenes and way ...
idk i played mp and i was maxing it out
wheat plume
oo
wheat plume
idk what the computer team where smoking when they installed Linux on the college computers
basically
the took Fedora Linux which uses Gnome desktop by default
Replaced gnome with Mate desktop
Replaced the Mate icon pack with Mint's icon pack
used Adwaita as the system theme despite not being default in Mate desktop
Took the wallpaper pack from PLASMA desktop
Took the file manager from Mint also
and the terminal application was Konsole from plasma desktop
WHY?????
ashen spindle
and what is the issue?
wheat plume
Why go to the bother of creating such a frankenstein's monster mess of a distro??
ashen spindle
might have a reason, why does it matter if nothings broken
wheat plume
idk wtf the reason could be..
ashen spindle
if its a college pc its going to be used to write text, watch youtube and read whatever wikipedia the classes need
wheat plume
cause if the reason was to make it have a similar layout to windows, that doesnt make sense cause Mate uses two panels by default and a 3 dropdown based menus to find apps in
ashen spindle
really doesnt matter what the os is made of
wheat plume
the only thing we used Linux for was to learn basic bash scripting
junior ore
aye. if it's not broken then there's not an issue and this is just customization. just change it if you don't like it.
wheat plume
from a man who spent most of his time going on long tangents so we barely got anything done in class
and then gave us way too much work do to at home
ashen spindle
or dont change it because college computer sounds like its supposed to be used to study/work on not make it look fancy for fun
junior ore
it's just settings. depends if it's college loan or temp classroom only, idunno.
wheat plume
nah, they only had Linux installed on one of the lab rooms
the college has many lab rooms
They also have a lab room for macs too, but its a really old version of macOS and it was super super slow ;-;
ashen spindle
so tldr someone put linux on machines and for whatever reason had certain customizations done to it
ok
true quest
imagine not using debuger
empty wren
They cannot sadly
Honestly having a throwaway social media account is not so bad anyways
timid chasm
Any takers? ๐ https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/monitors/gaming/55-odyssey-ark-4k-uhd-165hz-1ms-quantum-mini-led-curved-gaming-screen-ls55bg970nnxgo/
cloud notch
ok so my pc has been running perfectly fine the in the past and had no problems but today so far ive been having pretty consistent fps stutters while playing. so if anyone got ideas that could fix it lmk but imma see what it does tmo
mild dome
Memory leak? Driver issues, maybe you just need to restart it
mild dome
Any takers? ๐ https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/monitors/gaming/55-odyssey-a...
If it were half the price it would be a fair deal. 3500usd is a big nope
timid chasm
it's also going to be riddled with flaws I bet
mild dome
Since it's Oled it should be more reliable. However Samsungs new iled tech is bleading edge so idk
pulsar canopy
If it were half the price it would be a fair deal. 3500usd is a big nope
Nah that shit should be a 70%+ discount to be considered a good deal.
Like Dane said, itโs gonna be plagued with issues like the 4k 240hz monitor they released a few months ago
frozen ingot
man that amd chair is so cringe it almost puts me off wanting to get an amd system next upgrade
the fuck are their marketing department smoking
umbral knot
meth
shadow minnow
Ah yes windows
versed cloak
Probably been asked a million times but is the only difference between the two he and 60he size?
reef patrol
Probably been asked a million times but is the only difference between the two h...
For the most part? Yes.
The 60HE can either have an ARM based MCU or AVR. All 2HE are currently AVR.
What does that mean? ARM has more longterm potential for adding more keybinds and such to the keyboard at a time.
versed cloak
The 60HE can either have an ARM based MCU or AVR. All 2HE are currently AVR.
Wh...
Thanks! Does more keybinds refer to the amount that can be stored on the board or more complex keybinds?
reef patrol
The former.
versed cloak
The former.
So if I would only be looking to make 2 or 3 profiles with some keys rebound there's no functional difference? Is there an estimate of how many profile/keybinds which can be stored on AVR?
reef patrol
Couldn't tell you - I don't have a Wooting board on hand to test with. I'm sure someone else can answer that though. ๐
versed cloak
Understandable, thanks for your help. Someone should send this support duck a wooting board asap
fair gull
So if I would only be looking to make 2 or 3 profiles with some keys rebound the...
correct
only advanced key slots increase in the arm boards rn
u can actual rebind all profiles entirely on both keyboards
wheat plume
tropic nacelle
Since it's Oled it should be more reliable. However Samsungs new iled tech is bl...
Incase you missed it, that Samsung monitor is miniLED not OLED or QD-OLED.
Samsung QC is abysmal and they seem to decide to release monitors with obvious flaws, release a monitor at 240hz but at 240 it shows obvious scan lines which is ridiculous in a high end product.
This being 165hz means it's less likely to launch with scanline issue but I wouldn't trust Samsung quality at all.
vagrant pagoda
I got the Odin over the Deck. And tbo local streaming is so good, and Android is such a better touch of, I don't regret it.
I already had a AMD based laptop, so I just use that as a source when I travel
The deck is too bulky for me to really be portable
junior ore
It only appears bulky.
Also : not gonna be much portable outside your house if its just a streaming device
Would honestly just be better yo get one of the million of devices meant for emulation
cursive summit
Same price as last gen eh
Good
7700X pricing is nowhere near what I expected
AMD Ryzen 7000 "Zen 4" Desktop CPUs Retail Launch - 15th September
AMD B650 Motherboards Retail Launch - 10th October
7600X launching for the same price as 5600X, which was widely considered overpriced
Meanwhile 7700X launching at same price as 5800X was, and 5800X3D
I like that they aren't pulling an Intel and increasing prices
However, the fact that 7600X won't retail for 249$ at max is sad
There was that expectation for 7600X 229$, 7700X 329$ and 7800X3D for 449$
ashen spindle
that was your expectation maybe
ashen spindle
the current market? based on what? competition from the intel cpus that are released months later? lol
cursive summit
the current market? based on what? competition from the intel cpus that are rele...
Retail prices
ashen spindle
of what? the 2 year old previous gen?
cursive summit
Yes
Eh it's fine to be fair
That's the retail launch price
It'll go down in time after Raptor Lake launches
ashen spindle
If, it's still a leak and stuff can be wrong
ashen spindle
It'll go down in time after Raptor Lake launches
cursive summit
To be fair though
This puts us at a very uncomfortable position
If 3D parts are launching 3 months later
The hell will a 3D memory stacked 8 core cost
They won't just kill their brand new 8 core which retails 449$
650$ for an 8 core?
ashen spindle
why dont we wait a day before speculating about prices for something that follows up on prices we are also still speculating about
cursive summit
It does make sense to be fair, repeating last gen prices, but fair, the announcement is today
4AM my time tomorrow? Fml
Americans
vagrant pagoda
Would honestly just be better yo get one of the million of devices meant for emu...
The Odin is built for emulation and streaming. And I do stream all over. Ive even had my laptop in my car running and streamed into the doctor's office lol
vagrant pagoda
They won't just kill their brand new 8 core which retails 449$
I mean the current X3D parts didn't kill anything
cursive summit
They also launched them a full year after their 5000 series
vagrant pagoda
And amd dosent kill old nodes for a long time, so they will keep selling 5x
cursive summit
3D launch for this generation is supposed to closely follow the main series launch
vagrant pagoda
So they will have no issues filling the stack
ashen spindle
we just wont have them cost the same as the non x3d version on launch
cursive summit
If 7700X is priced as a 5800X, and then a few months later they launch a 7800X3D
vagrant pagoda
I bet the X3D just fits in the middle of the stack
ashen spindle
which makes sense since if it was on zen3 launch the x3d would not have costed the same as the 5800, it would have costed more
also we might not get a 7800x3d but just v cache on the 7950 version first for example
not really kown yet
vagrant pagoda
It will likely be just like no where the X3D part is about the same az the next up part.
vagrant pagoda
No way they would only make a 2 die 3d part
cursive summit
Just the 5800X3D, which provided really decent value
I sure hope they price the 7800X3D the same
vagrant pagoda
Just the 5800X3D, which provided really decent value
I love my 5800x3d
vagrant pagoda
I play a ton of old strategy game
ashen spindle
well it might just be that we get the 2 die version much earlier since it sells for more
vagrant pagoda
And over my 3800x I got double and triple performance
I think with ddr5 it will be even better
ashen spindle
best part about these leaks though is all the twitter wall street experts coming out and explaining why amd has no clue about the market
cursive summit
AMD knows really well how to make money
Not really how to be customer friendly
Profits are always the number one priority for a company
Milk out all the next gen waiters with 299$ for a 6 core
And later the price goes down to 210$ or so for everyone else
ashen spindle
you mean keep it at 299 for at least the same amount they did with zen3
because what reason is there to lower it
cursive summit
None
They still buy it
It'll get discounted from time to time but MSRP change isn't necessary
Also it really isn't the consumers AMD is fucking with
It's the warehouses that buy from AMD who then resell their products
What do we call them, retailers?
ashen spindle
my point was rather, why lower it when there is nothing comparable to get for the same price
cursive summit
With 5600X that argument was pretty sane
Not with this generation though, I don't think
Zen 4 won't be that much better than existing stuff from what leaks are showing
5000 series was defo top of the line stuff, by a country mile
Zen 4 seems like a modest improvement, even Alder might compete with it in some scenarios
ashen spindle
so in short you can not tell me what other 300$ cpu can compete so you cant tell me the price is inadequate
cursive summit
That's a fair assessment
I do fully expect something like a 12700F or KF to carry its weight against Zen 4 though
ashen spindle
which costs a nice 50% more than the 300$ price leak
cyan sluice
Do you guys recommend a ergo or ambi mouse for someone who plays fortnite valorent and minecraft
vocal cipher
Do you guys recommend a ergo or ambi mouse for someone who plays fortnite valore...
I think that wouldn't be related to the game but your grip and preference...
for me, it's always ergo. Productivity or gaming, ambi mouse hurts my hand in 10 minutes...
cyan sluice
Didn't think about that
vocal cipher
I do palm grip and most comfortable with mx master, so big and ergo mouses are better for me
cyan sluice
I currently have the model o and I have a wierd mix between a claw and palm
cyan sluice
Just to upgrade I want something wireless and a little different shape
tropic nacelle
Zen 4 seems like a modest improvement, even Alder might compete with it in some ...
Pointless basing it on leaks especially ones from wfcctech as they are essentially the fox news of tech reporting, always full of shit.
vocal cipher
I am not the person to recommend but I can tell you my experience.
I was using Deathadder v2 for gaming, than wanted to try viper wireless, and it was not comfy at all for me, so now I am using g pro superlight and it's ok, not hurting but not as comfy as mx master for me.
So I believe the size is more important for me than the ambi - ergo design
cursive summit
I do palm grip and most comfortable with mx master, so big and ergo mouses are b...
Weird, I am completely opposite
Ambidextrous mini mouse, claw grip
Very comfortable
vocal cipher
probably the grip is the answer
grip and mouse should fit otherwise it hurts
Size matters for me as it seems ๐
cyan sluice
Ok I think in going to go with something abmi I want the hump to be further back so mabye a x2
junior ore
The Odin is built for emulation and streaming. And I do stream all over. Ive eve...
ah so it is an emulation machine? gotcha then. Thought it was purely a streaming machine. sounds fine then. My minimum for emulation though is at the least PS2 or Dreamcast lol
vagrant pagoda
ah so it is an emulation machine? gotcha then. Thought it was purely a streami...
It's a sd845 device
So PS2 is easy
It will do GC/Wii
I have 3DS/GC/Wii/PS1/PS2/PSP on it
junior ore
nice
vagrant pagoda
I do switch via moonlight
I am super hyped for the new gpd
I actually like my vita more than my odin
The Odin just had a real web browser
Vita is king of pocket gaming form factors
vagrant pagoda
https://youtu.be/s7OrS7v767I
what makes it 2022 version?
none of the jailbreaks or cfw have had any updates
stark bobcat
86 billion when
ashen spindle
well very soon, 86 is lower than what moore's law says we should be at ๐
stark bobcat
I find it funny that a thing some ceo or w/e said is called a law
cursive summit
Well they were an engineer after all
But yeah what was said back in what, 1980s? Doesn't really apply anymore
stark bobcat
So? Extrapolating current data trends far into the future is often extremely foolish
ashen spindle
well he's still alive and his estimation still has been alive as well
so would say it was quite accurate and not foolish
stark bobcat
I'd say it's very vague to begin with since it says nothing about density
If those guys were to be believed we'd be at well above 10ghz rn
ashen spindle
its simply an estimation made by someone who knows stuff about it and it has more or less be accurate, nothing that deep
not to mention technically its about processor power and not transistors alone
stark bobcat
not to mention technically its about processor power and not transistors alone
I don't know about that got a source?
ashen spindle
its mentioned on his wikipedia page and they have a link to the source, cant grab it atm
tropic nacelle
Nothing wrong with the prediction he came up with.
The funny thing is when they say "moores law is dead" when it has been just an educated guess really, it's based off taken past logic and you can only extroplate so far.
They get so worked up about "it may be dead" but then I think they just do it for clicks
stark bobcat
Personally I don't care if it's "dead" it was just an observation which held true for a long time but sustaining such growth or increase in size forever obviously wouldn't happen
ashen spindle
it won't but so far its been pretty spot on
cursive summit
stark bobcat
Lame
pale sigil
om
pale sigil
What metric is "speed"
mb/s
pale sigil
it must be over 500 basically
And im trying to explain it does not matter if its 400-500 write, especially for games.
So setting 500 as a min is pointless.
Even for OS 400 is great lol
stark bobcat
๐คทโโ๏ธ
I think AAA games are gonna benifits from higher speeds some time soon other than that any ssd with dram is fine by me tbh unless it's transcend
ashen spindle
maybe not the best idea to compare it to your 90mbps then if your point was that 4xx is fine too
pale sigil
My main point was i run games off an SD card fine.
stark bobcat
Hmm on windows?
pale sigil
Steam Deck
ashen spindle
I mean what was the question that started that
stark bobcat
I honestly wonder how well windows runs games off sd card
ashen spindle
if one person talks best performance the other about what is minimum to run something at all, you're just talking past each other
pale sigil
stark bobcat
The rule is don't buy bad ssds ๐
ashen spindle
yeah seems like an average conversation where people cant clearly communicate on what was meant ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
junior ore
Lol
misty saffron
all game code is clearly unable to take advantage of above 500 mb/s speeds
directstorage has a cap because above is useless, obviously
cursive summit
Tbf though there are some really nice PCIe4 SSDs in the market
SN850 comes to mind
Pretty affordable, blazing fast
ashen spindle
500mbps is like sata speed, would be a bit tragic if faster wasnt doing anything
pulsar canopy
Is the 980 pro still a really good ssd?
cursive summit
It's fine
Although I read that Samsung's been doing shady shit
So I'd rather get a WD one
ashen spindle
it will work perfectly fine
cursive summit
I mean if you intend to stop being a console pleb, use that
How much is that thing
500?
pulsar canopy
2 tb
cursive summit
That's plenty for the entire system and anything else you'd ever need
pulsar canopy
True true
cursive summit
Make a boot partition I suppose and another for files
500GB/1.5TB is a solid split
pulsar canopy
Iโm assuming getting a โnewerโ ssd wonโt make a noticeable difference, making it worth it?
cursive summit
No
ashen spindle
not for quite some years
cursive summit
PCIe4 is at speeds where you'll be getting diminishing returns already
I dunno if most applications can even use that speed efficiently
pulsar canopy
Do you guys think a 3080 will be enough to play 4k games at high/ultra settings for a few years?
ashen spindle
no for that you want to wait a month or two and grab a 4080 or similar
ashen spindle
assuming you want something like 60fps, unlikely
pulsar canopy
Yeah 4k 60fps high/ultra is what im aiming at
ashen spindle
yea I would wait then, relatively close to next gen cards and they are expected to boost performance quite a lot
cursive summit
Huh
pulsar canopy
Iโve had it for a few months
cursive summit
pulsar canopy
Going to build a pc for college
cursive summit
"Do you guys think this card will X"
"No"
"Shame, already bought it"
pulsar canopy
Sorry about the confusion. But I was just asking because I bought the parts for a pc Iโm going to build in about a week.
Just wanted to hear other peopleโs opinion about wether the 3080 is capable.
Sorry for not being clear.
pulsar canopy
I did and for true most part it can get 60 fps
ashen spindle
for now sure, and in future games can be, DLSS and such will help
pulsar canopy
ashen spindle
just if you ask for unreleased games its more likely those will be more demanding
cursive summit
Well DLSS3 is like, coming out soon
Who knows if that's supported on Ampere, suppose it will be
pulsar canopy
I was thinking about waiting, but letโs be honest. Those cards are getting scalped and will probably be out of stock for the first few months.
pulsar canopy
Scalpers are gonna buy them, thinking they can make a quick buck.
shadow minnow
I hope not
cursive summit
Well they will be launching the RTX 4090 first
pulsar canopy
Thatโs why I just went and bought a 3080 12 gb for like $800
ashen spindle
no lol
pulsar canopy
We will see in a few months.
ashen spindle
anyway you'll be fine, just maybe not max settings in all future AAA games and if you got it now for a decent price its also no stress about getting one
cursive summit
5000 series 
junior ore
@pulsar canopy. The 3080 is going to be fine. Idunno about 4K Ultra but you can always tweak the settings to get the performance you want for the visuals you want. And you can always lower the resolution worst case scenario.
pulsar canopy
Agreed.
ashen spindle
"can 3080 do 4k max settings"
"yes if you turn down settings"
junior ore
Lol. Wasn't really answering that question. Just pointing out that if it cant : tweak it.
cursive summit
Some things like max shadows aren't relevant
junior ore
For aome games it probably will
Aye. Some games just aren't optimized very well but some are.
And some games just don't take as much hardware resources
reef patrol
3080 and 1440P is typically a Medium/High thing here with +80FPS in AAA games. Before you look into RTX and downscaling features.
cursive summit
Just use FSR2, it'll fix all your FPS issues 
pulsar canopy
Oh well if it canโt run it, guess medium settings will do.
cursive summit
Just use custom settings
Texture detail max
Shadow detail medium
Draw distance medium
If available, draw distance is mostly on RPGs
But yeah you can tailor the experience easily, even with 4K "max"
Texture detail really is where it matters most imo
Although to be fair
junior ore
Aye
Best to manually change settings yourself
But you can also find setting guides that goes over what each one does and if it actually changes anything for that specific game
ashen spindle
so being an intel investor is shortening your live since you constantly get shocking news during earnings calls
cursive summit
Where are those nuclear waste batteries that they were advertising
"100x more charge than normal batteries"
"Reuse nuclear materials! Nuclear goes green"
Shit like that
reef patrol
Yes?
junior ore
Checking if real or doing a long deep delete?
wheat plume
I cancelled it and did NOT enable the Erase option this time and it took about 30 seconds :D
reef patrol
Yeah. It's the difference between ripping out the table of contents of a book and just blindly typing over the old pages, or dipping the entire book in chemicals and waiting for it to remove every letter and letting it dry.
wheat plume
o.o
reef patrol
This is usually how you find deleted data. Cause it's not gone. The filesystem just decided to forget it exists, so new things can overwrite the old data with no concern.
wheat plume
pretty fast
junior ore
Ye
reef patrol
pretty fast
Stay a while a listen, Lahnah
wheat plume
hm?
reef patrol
Sigh... I had hoped your SD card name was a reference ๐
fair gull
lana pls
reef patrol
wheat plume
๐ค
stark bobcat
could also have been in refference to vavle deckard
ashen spindle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcH_7xsYtUk 1 hour and40 minutes to go
wonder what advance_PCs is havent seen that word before
cursive summit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcH_7xsYtUk 1 hour and40 minutes to go
Since it is basically pre-recorded, I wonder if there's a transcript somewhere already
ashen spindle
unlikely
would have to be from one of the few people that actually get the video for more than just a few moments before it gets uploaded and that would be a super easy leak to find
cursive summit
ashen spindle
yes cool you linked something that refers to what I linked earlier already lmfao
cursive summit
I suppose this is repurposed info from what you already posted earlier today, Quin
Thought so
ashen spindle
at least post the latest article if you do post something from VC lol
cursive summit
Oi oi no need to be aggressive
ashen spindle
oh I'm not, just saying there is a newer article on VC ๐
cursive summit
Hmm, interesting
So the release date was off
And the pricing was off in some areas
ashen spindle
wccftrash has wrong info? shocker
honestly the best part is just seeing wccf being wrong
was almost about to post earlier I wouldn't mind prices being higher if it means I can shit on them for false leaks again lololol
cursive summit
299$ on that 6 core though
Peeps are online complaining that AMD still is money gauging
399$ for the 8 core does make sense, in a way
stark bobcat
299 6 core can go to hell am4 goated
cursive summit
Cause 7600X will settle out at about 250$ due time, 7700X will settle down at 330$ I imagine
I fucking hope 7800X3D repeats the 449$ pricing of the previous 3D product
ashen spindle
it wont settle lower for a while
cursive summit
Of course
But non-X products might release, those will help, oversupply will help
ashen spindle
especially not once people realize what the low end from intel aka 13500 and such will be and how they are not a competition at all
cursive summit
Discounts might hit hard
ashen spindle
yeah maybe a year later
stark bobcat
in europe prices will suck especially with costs of living rising
thank god i don't need an upgrade
cursive summit
Yeah looking at these "gaming perf" increases
5800X3D continues to look really good
Until next X3D launches, Zen 4 is just not worth it
Cheaper platform, cheaper RAM
Now I'm just wondering if AMD shot themselves in the foot with these Vcache products
The rest of their product lineup just no longer looks interesting 
ashen spindle
you forget not everything is gaming
cursive summit
That is true
But for a gamer they really don't have much to offer with this launch
Productivity increases look great though
ashen spindle
and twitter is down, cant believe amd ddosed twitter to stop the leaks smh
empty wren
Lisa's stumbling today
She does not have her saxophone
cursive summit
Nice, they support AVX-512, that's good for productivity
ashen spindle
avx is nothing new, amd already said that months ago
also I have a feeling the telepromter has an issue or something since mark is also fumbling words lol
cursive summit
Ngl, Papermaster is an amazing surname
I'll add that to the "cool surname" book, to pair it with Nightingale
ashen spindle
one unexpected thing was him confirming zen5 for 2024
kinda expected them to just not be specific about it and just have it on the timeline
hoping that means early 24 is likely and not in 2 years
cursive summit
Well it's a full redesign of the architecture... again
This lad is also stumbling
ashen spindle
still would prefer if new gens dont take 2 years every time now ๐
cursive summit
He's also got a problem with sniffing
Did they finally repay their debts fully and just invest into coke?
For that productivity boost
stark bobcat
still would prefer if new gens dont take 2 years every time now ๐
Better than what intel did for years
cursive summit
Huh
Intel released a generation yearly
It wasn't the best of improvements but still, they didn't slouch
stark bobcat
If there is little to no improvement there is no point in a new gen
cursive summit
IPC wise I don't believe they slouched
They just really didn't want you to get more than 4 cores
2025+ eh? In line with AM4
ashen spindle
I mean mostly just that the first few zen gens came faster and zen3 might've had a covid delay so should've also come out sooner
stark bobcat
Lmfao their ipc improvement for a good long while were also pretty low
No major improvement from 4th to 7th gen imo
ashen spindle
8th gen also only had more cores, not really more ipc either
ashen spindle
they already said at the start they will show something about it ๐
ashen spindle
ok something is definitely broken with the presentation lololol
stark bobcat
Gpus are nice I wonder when raytracing will do the thing tessalation did
cursive summit
That teaser was the same shit they pulled when they were teasing Zen 4 like last year
ashen spindle
also its live and not pre recorded as we could cleary see from the tech issues lmfao
well that was nice
cursive summit
Meh pricing remains roughly the same
7950X became more affordable
For some reason
ashen spindle
ipc a bit over expectations, I could laugh at wccftech, good presentation
cursive summit
Perf boost isn't bad at all, solid launch
Still, I'd rather get a 5800X3D for now
stark bobcat
Idk that price on the 7600x kinda makes me sad since I expect motherboards will cost more than am4 aswell
cursive summit
It's the same price they launched them at last time
AM5 mobos will begin at 125$, according to them
ashen spindle
b series boards should be not too expensive
stark bobcat
Wait is am5 pcie 5?
ashen spindle
yes
cursive summit
Yes
stark bobcat
More layers for lower end boards probably
cursive summit
I didn't pay attention, did they announce USB4 compatibility?
stark bobcat
Will add to cost
cursive summit
Cause there is a serious lack of USB4 adoption
ashen spindle
why announce what previous gen already does
cursive summit
Huh
ashen spindle
in mobile
cursive summit
Alright, now let's talk desktop
That'll be new for desktop
And I found an article that yes, USB4 is coming on launch to AM5 mobos
ashen spindle
take a look at desktop boards that are out for weeks and tell me if the USB4 ports make you think it works or not
cursive summit
take a look at desktop boards that are out for weeks and tell me if the USB4 por...
Can you rephrase that cause I have no idea what you just said
cursive summit
Ah, yeah
stark bobcat
Hmm how does usb 4 work for motherboards? I don't mean the ones connected to the CPU. Do the chips still cost so much? I heard the adoption in amd laptops was low because of that
ashen spindle
mass production is gonna make it cheaper, intel going to buy tons of them too etc.
cursive summit
I suppose we'll be waiting till the GPU launch to figure out if DP2.0 is also supported
ashen spindle
uh yea? dp doesnt care about cpu
ashen spindle
aye
oh also this shows laptop zen4 is going to murder intel
at 65W the 16 core has 74% more performance?
thats insane efficiency scaling
oh also v-cache might not come this year, im not sure mark was talking about zen4V or zen4c with that sentence
cursive summit
Zen 4 Vcache frankly makes no sense at all to launch so soon
They need to allow the initial launch to marinate for a while
When sales die down a bit, oversupply kicks in, competition does something, etc, then they should launch Vcache and non-X SKUs
If I was AMD, that'd be like next summer
ashen spindle
not relevant, it depends on how big the demand is on server side and how fast they can validate the v cache versions
astral haven
I suspect amd will be using the vcache CPUs as halo products
Different price tier and you get performance galore for the money
ashen spindle
I do hope they manage a 2 die cache version this time so I can get work to get me that and I just use it as a gaming rig too hehe
astral haven
No dice for me
Amd doesn't meet the requirements to be used at my work :/
ashen spindle
say you need it as validation platform to test builds not to work on hehe
but for now I just want twitter to be back, need to see people malding about leaks being incorrect 
ashen spindle
life is only fun if you can see mlid trying to delete his bad takes in real time
cursive summit
I wonder if there's somewhere a public spreadsheet of all the stuff MLID just deleted off the internet cause nothing he says is right
astral haven
say you need it as validation platform to test builds not to work on hehe
The only devices our code is allowed to run on is internal computers lmao
ashen spindle
ah no services that others use then, then that options falls away too
to debug a client/customer/partners issue maybe? xD
or to evaluate if you can use it in the future and do security testing without internal code xD
astral haven
No dice
Everything is locked down hard
ashen spindle
tf are you working for, the deep state? government here wouldnt even be that strict lol
astral haven
We do have to adhere to government rules among others
ashen spindle
though I wish they were, still embarrassed how far behind in IT tech germany is
astral haven
Nonprofit that is both government and grant funded
And doesn't have amt
And we need amt
astral haven
Intel amt
Look it up
It's part of vpro and it's super powerful
ashen spindle
oh that thing yea I remember now, the way you said it I thought it was something else
heh funny, seems like we dont use amt here because part of the government deemed it not safe, though that was 2017 and I cant see if that is still up to date info
astral haven
It's nescessary for us
We are trying to drop the requirement but that will require Microsoft fo fix their shit
Tldr it's not gonna happen for a while
vagrant pagoda
uh yea? dp doesnt care about cpu
dosent ryzen 7xxx all have igpus?
astral haven
yea but you arent gonna be driving anything over 8k with an igpu lmao
vagrant pagoda
you can daisy chain
astral haven
not on displayport alone
vagrant pagoda
yeah you can
astral haven
mst got axed, its not part of the higher revs
nowdays its through usb c channels
you are limited to relatively low resolutions through mst still
vagrant pagoda
thats 1.3
astral haven
yep
newest version of mst available
vagrant pagoda
2.0 will do 4K 90hz x3 uncompressed
astral haven
[citation needed]
vagrant pagoda
Three 4K (3840ร2160) displays @90Hz and 30 bpp 4:4:4 HDR (no compression)
and
Two 4K (3840ร2160) displays @144Hz and 24 bpp 4:4:4 (no compression)
DP over Type-C alt mode is the exact same signaling as a normal DP cable for the video
vagrant pagoda
wut
astral haven
try to find a device that allows you to run full speed displayport 1.4 via multiple monitors
through 1 cable to the pc
vagrant pagoda
im on one right now
astral haven
you literally connect the cable to the port on the motherboard...
astral haven
im on one right now
what monitor or device?
vagrant pagoda
club3d mst hub
astral haven
and what monitors at what res are you running off of it
vagrant pagoda
running dual 4K60 screens
vagrant pagoda
1.4 is only dual 4k60
vagrant pagoda
1.3 and 1.4 have the same total bandwidth
its just the supported modes thats different
astral haven
yes but 1.4 supports double the pixel rate at the same bandwidth
astral haven
which is the only difference from 1.3 to 1.4
vagrant pagoda
max no DSC is 4k120
vagrant pagoda
and mst doesnt support dsc
yes it dose
vagrant pagoda
astral haven
well shit
vagrant pagoda
and a device using that chip
i have the type-c one
and use it on a thunderbolt/usb 4 port
and have no issues with 4k60x2
vagrant pagoda
its the same data rate as 4k120x2 though with dsc
astral haven
if that supports mst and dsc, what use do you have for displayport 2.0?
astral haven
what gpu?
vagrant pagoda
and 3 more aux screens off a second
astral haven
xmp
vagrant pagoda
because its running at 3200
astral haven
the ram doesnt set the speed, the motherboard does
if you didnt set it to 3600, its gonna run at default
oh
well then it failed to boot at xmp and fell back to 3200
because your motherboard or cpu dont work at that speed?
depends on the cpu
astral haven
i run 5 screen span off my gpu
what gpu?
5600x should gain a solid 10%+ from 3200 to 3600
astral haven
and it works with 5 displays????
vagrant pagoda
yes
only 4 timing chips for outputs
but you could have 10 displays on a single output
span
i run 5400x1920
like a crazy person
astral haven
but you could have 10 displays on a single output
nvidia specifically says you cant do that
officially
vagrant pagoda
nvidia specifically says you cant do that
proof
3xxx and 2xxxx only have 4 timers for outputs
but you can daisy chain
astral haven
thats been true forever
but previous generations only supported displays = clockgens
linus ran into the issues with 10 series
i have heard of folks with issues with og titans
astral haven
titan v?
vagrant pagoda
yes
astral haven
the one with 6 clockgens?
vagrant pagoda
i didnt think i have any dp mst hubs, they are all type c
so i looked
and this has 2 mst hubs plugged in
dont remember buyijng them lol
astral haven
how many displays?
astral haven
do you happen to have another mst hub you can yeet in there with an extra 2 displays?
or a 3090 you can swap in?
astral haven
tru
vagrant pagoda
2.0 isnt useful for that
astral haven
iirc amd dropped the max display count via mst after the 200 series snafoo
vagrant pagoda
the reason i have the 5 screen setup is i was a og eyeyfinity 6 user
astral haven
295x2 or dual gpu?
vagrant pagoda
it was a REAL strech then to try to do 5 screens
they where 5870s
i had one eyefinity 6 and one normal 5870
and that was hard to run
most games all low settings
astral haven
oh yea special edition of the gpu with double the display engines on 1 gpu
i forgot that existed
vagrant pagoda
i had 6 with 290x too
astral haven
yep
but the 290 only supports 3 total displays
and alot of 290s have 4 display outputs
because they were just 290x pcbs with 290s stuck on there
vagrant pagoda
they do 6 with mst
vagrant pagoda
Up to 6 displays with the use of a DP MST Hub
astral haven
different gpu
vagrant pagoda
astral haven
290 is gcn
290x is gcn 2
vagrant pagoda
Up to 6 displays with the use of a DP MST Hub
astral haven
yea but that was wrong
oh wait no it was 280 vs 280x
280 was gcn 1 and only supported 3 displays even tho most units had 4 display outs
280x was gcn 2 and supported the full 6
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yea and that I know for a fact was a lie
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my friend plugged a mst hub into his 1 displayport port with 3 displays attached, and his other 3 monitors would disconnect
280
gcn1
not the 280x which was gcn2
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gcn 1 was 7000
which also had mst support
i had a 7970 lightning with the same set of displays
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did you try 7950?
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2xx and 3xx are gcn2
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๐คท alright
but the 280 did not support all of its display connectors being populated at the same time
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๐คท and that single cable would prevent any other displays from working with that gpu's 3 other display connectors
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no
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i watched him plug it in
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that was a bad cable or hub then
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all the displays on the hub were working fine
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that had a different core from the 7950
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its gcn1
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๐คท
look fam
i dont know what to tell you but i can tell you that you are part of the problem
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that card had NO issues driving all 6 outputs on the card
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"its not an issue because my higher end card doesnt have that issue"
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it was
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and the 7970 and 7950 share silcone
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they do not
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7970 - 7870 xt are same die
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nope
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7870 had different
yeah it is
same die size
same memory width
just laser cut cores
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7970 was tahiti xt
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7950 was tahiti pro
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just laser cut
shrug so amd created the bug intentionally
thats even worse
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you had a SINGLE experance
and its a hardware fault
i have used 5 displays for 10+ years
and im wrong
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yes
and replacing the hardware fixed the issue
going from a 280 to a 780 solved the problem
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also
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nvidia at least says 4 displays max for their gpus and its correct
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amd list the 7950 and 7970 with the same die size and transistor count
same memory width
and same node size
its the same die
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๐คท for the end user it was not the same die
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no but 9600k and 8700k are different
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the 290x;s where my worst power hogs ever