🔌│tech

[ashen spindle]

and N3E is the fixed n3 thats coming soon

[astral haven]

Soon™️ ofc

[ashen spindle]

yes abut actually soon, probably

[astral haven]

Riiiight

[ashen spindle]

well most recent info is that its like what, 2 months or so away from risk start with pretty good yield

[shadow minnow]

So not soon enough

[astral haven]

Hunh
Alr
Products next year q2 at the latest is pretty soon

[ashen spindle]

ya and since SS3 seems to be doing the usual and not be as great despite or perhaps because of GAA it's gonna be the best even if its not a big increase

[astral haven]

Gaa is gonna be wack

Instead of 3-5 variables of gate size there are like 12-20

[ashen spindle]

I almost want intel to bounce back and be the first with a decent gaa node lol

but that doesnt seem likely

[astral haven]

I want everyone to have a good gaa node so there's cutthroat competition on it...

Screw each of those companies individually

[ashen spindle]

yeah that too

[astral haven]

It would be a disaster if we lost another company to a gate type
Finfet put glofo on the back foot so that the euv transition would be too expensive for them...

[ashen spindle]

just skip one iteration of fets and join later, surely that wont be an issue

skip 1nm and just hop onto xray, simple

[astral haven]

Yea good luck

240hz OLED hyyyyype

[shadow minnow]

Well if burn in didn’t exist would be more hype

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-7700x-7600x-rumored-cinebench-r23-scores-are-in

[astral haven]

I hate that cinebench became the standard

At least higher is better right :/

[ashen spindle]

fp8 spam go brr

or was it fp16 that cb uses mostly? cant remember

[shadow minnow]

I hope I can get a new gen GPU before February since hogwarts legacy

[astral haven]

No it's 256b accelerated
Fp32x8

[ashen spindle]

hmm did I just misremember it then or was I thinking of something else

[wheat plume]

"Hey Google, play Kimi Wa Dekinai Ko"

O.o
My shitty pronunciation of Japanese worked!!
It played the right song

[shadow minnow]

AI

If enough people have just as shitty pronunciation it works

[stark bobcat]

https://twitter.com/MoondropLab/status/1562986868366807041?t=_Bv_v_6pEkbsfr8kMAid-Q&s=19

MOONDROP (@MoondropLab)

Really appreciate the objective review of VOID from crinacle.
We regret that it has to delay for further improvement. VOID owners please keep the packaging and S/N, wherever you got/purchased it, you can replace it after upgraded version is available.

https://t.co/Ra0NDRzKBz

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Twitter · Aug 26, 2022, 2:14 AM

[tropic nacelle]

Thats surprising, it's bad that they seem to have released a disappointing product in the first place as surely they could have seen this before release??

However it is surprising and good of them to accept criticism like that and aim to rectify it

[cursive summit]

For the Europeans

[reef patrol]

It's like Wooting!

[tropic nacelle]

If you look at UK reseller it's been empty for like 2 years xD.

Crazy, easier to buy from their US store and just gamble on hardware fault

What do you mean pay double? The US site was usually cheaper atleast than the UK

[pale sigil]

Ye the fees would hit hard in the UK

Real hard

[tropic nacelle]

Ah fair enough, makes sense on the cheaper items as the $50 shipping eats into it, for the UK looks like you would spend an extra £35ish all including taxes than the UK site which has been sold out for years xD

[pale sigil]

Also delivery is a lot

And the $50 is pre tax which I doubt they will be willing to handle anyway

[tropic nacelle]

It's $59 sorry for shipping so probably nearer £40 which then makes a bit more sense on an item that is originally £120 you paying £160 it is a percentage jump

[pale sigil]

Working it out if it was $50

You'd pay around £56

[tropic nacelle]

If you buying something big like what is it a bifrost nearing £800 it's cheaper overall I clouding taxes /handling than the UK site

[pale sigil]

That doesn't include shipping

VAT, import fee and handling fee

Totals to £56 from $50 item values

That doesn't include duty

Couldn't be assed finding the duty code

[tropic nacelle]

It's a duty free item so just VAT I believe +handler charge whoever posts it

Still seems bad they get quite poor stock to the European market overall

[pale sigil]

So the price I sent them

Then

I know most companies charge £5 for handling

So what I said tino

Just add a litle more to it

We are at 20%

[tropic nacelle]

Alright I just did the maths to make sure I'm not an idiot and so people can ignore me xD.

£161 + shipper handling charge I don't know who it is so say RM isn't it £10?

So I'm totally wrong on being cheaper but I will say "similar" haha

[pale sigil]

£5 is usually handling fees

[tropic nacelle]

And you get it shipped next day

[pale sigil]

That's pre tax

Which varies on state

But still cheaper

Have you seen tax in the IS

US

[tropic nacelle]

It would be £166 total delivered in every fee then to UK

[pale sigil]

It ain't $6

But regardless

I noticed this the other week myself

It's so unfair

There's state tax tino

[tropic nacelle]

Yeah it is part the reason why when companies announce USD pricing it seems to go 1:1 to GBP because the USD price always excludes tax due to how different states have different taxes..

Our 20% vat pretty much negates the currency value difference (it definitely does now it tanked....)

[pale sigil]

I thought there was multiple taxes

State and country tax

Hmm strange, when I bought an apple usb c dongle I was paying a few dollars in tax just for 2 of them

I was really surprised how high it was

Why do people complain so much about California tax so much then.

Opening my eyes, I want to say there's gotta be more to it but it's America.

[tropic nacelle]

Yeah if you aren't used to paying a tax then of course it feels like a rip off

[pale sigil]

@neat oriole help

And I thought I already lost all respect for America

[junior ore]

aaaa what now?

[pale sigil]

I think this is income tax though

[tropic nacelle]

That's taxes relevant to GDP, what's to be mad about?

[pale sigil]

I got the wrong one

[junior ore]

aye, tis GDP

[pale sigil]

Bloody lost it

[junior ore]

though we are a country that supposedly hates taxes or have lots of people that don't like it or refuse to want to have services that includes taxes. BUT we are a nation that will gladly throw away all our money if it's a "subscription" instead of a tax.

[pale sigil]

I had a chart showing % of taxes in different countries

[junior ore]

would it include each different state too?

[pale sigil]

Think it was an average

This system just seems so messy

I remember when a lot of people abused the fact Amazon didn't charge taxes in every state

[tropic nacelle]

Now you understand why they decided to list without sales tax

[pale sigil]

Oh I knew that already

I've been to America and bought from manu times

I also bought goods in America that got delivered to my friends boyfriends and she brought them home.

[tropic nacelle]

I've never been, I know people who have and everytime the rant is how backwards America is xD

No contactless payments and tips for something that should be standard service

[pale sigil]

I've been twice and I'd be shopping thing omg that's cheap!

Then I remember oh right

Id be shopping for cheese puff's, see them for $2 and think eh alright whatever.

Then I remember

Why are things not $1 in America too

Here I can get a big bag of cheap cheese puff's for £0.89

And why can't we have cans like this here

So cool

[junior ore]

@pale sigil thats cause for longest time we didn't have any laws or such saying that things from the internet required taxes or such. Also in terms of prices : it depends where you are. Those specific chips I buy tons of times for a dollar where I'm at. Though for the past year or two it's gone up by 20 or 30 cents and probably higher by now.
But in other states yeah it's gonna be different pricing depending on the minimum wage. Because companies are going to be gouging prices like that and blame people's wages on it.

[pale sigil]

Can usb c output too two displays at once

Eg this

[stark bobcat]

Pretty sure it can

[pale sigil]

Fucking nobs

Releasing a new version before the V2 isn't finished

Without a single word

[stark bobcat]

Take this with a grain of salt tho

[ashen spindle]

also if something can do something and if a device is made correctly so it works correctly are different things quite often when it comes to video output

[shadow minnow]

Yes

But it depends on something

But I know you can for example daisy chain displays through DP

But I am not sure if they just split lanes or how does it work

And support depends on each device

[stark bobcat]

https://youtu.be/Cnusk4PiBPY

This guy did multi monitor on steamdeck

So yeah it works

[tropic nacelle]

What's the point in the dock just use an average usb c hub they should "just work".

Or do you use the display while it's docked or something?

[stark bobcat]

To have a stand and dock in one

Very convenient if you plan to dock it frequently

[ashen spindle]

@fickle ore seems mactype can fix it quite well now if people have issues with the green/purple around text https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52eiLP3Zy-s

[stark bobcat]

How would you feel if Nintendo gave you a usb c hub with the switch

I'd dislike it

[pale sigil]

Cleaner setup

[tropic nacelle]

I mean it's a usb c dock shown above doesn't really solve that? You have the exact same usb c port you have to plug into with a hand rather than slide in guided via rails and can't you just lay it flat it's not a light item?

[stark bobcat]

You are missing the point

[tropic nacelle]

As pleasant just said cleaner setup I guess

Shame it's not a guided slide in thing though whereas the way above you are just using as a normal USBC hub that you can get today that was all

[stark bobcat]

Well they already make these so you can get this today

[tropic nacelle]

None came with a hub? 🙂

But the one for the switch slides down onto usb c connection whereas this one you actually have to put up a cable and plug it in after setting it down, it's not the same.

[tropic nacelle]

Oh it is out now? Sorry I thought it was still delayed, I assumed the screenshot above was them announcing a new model my apologies

[stark bobcat]

3rd party

[tropic nacelle]

Omg I thought this was the valve one xD

[stark bobcat]

I don't get the question

[tropic nacelle]

With the hub you can get from Nintendo you drop the switch down and it slots onto a USBC connector in the middle so there is no cable you have to use.

The one above you have to actually slide it down to rest then put up a cable and plug it in from the back

[stark bobcat]

Yeah which is still nicer than having a hub hang off it and putting it in a separate stand

More convenient and nicer looking

The slide in thing is cool but 🤷‍♂️ I don't see it being substantially better at least from my experience owning a switch

Especially since you can still use the sd screen when it's right side up which is nice if you don't plan on using an external monitor

Advantages and disadvantages to the slide in design imo

[pale sigil]

Sigh, I just want to be able to use multiple monitors

[stark bobcat]

Steamdeck should have had usb at the top and bottom tho

[pale sigil]

Refuse to buy a second hub from them.

[stark bobcat]

You can with other hubs

[tropic nacelle]

Yeah just meant for an easier use in comparison to the cheap usb-c hub that was all, I thought that one above was the valve one which was like £60 preorder which seemed insane (to me)

[pale sigil]

But that's just more money with messy setups

I just want to learn it on the dock and have an io

A clean one

[stark bobcat]

Tru

[tropic nacelle]

When did you buy it? Can't you return it?

[stark bobcat]

I'm waiting for valve dock

[junior ore]

Actually the switch dock is pretty bad

[pale sigil]

Few days ago

I got an email this morning saying it's preparing for delivery

[junior ore]

Its terrible for ventilation and can lead to scratching the console

[tropic nacelle]

Send it back and get the new one haha

[stark bobcat]

Yes it's atrocities but the idea isn't bad just cheap

[pale sigil]

I'm hoping to cancel

[junior ore]

Oh. Yeah

[pale sigil]

They charge for postage and shipping back to America

[junior ore]

The concept isnt bad. Except the ventilation part

And covering the screen.

[tropic nacelle]

Oh my, that feels bad man!

[pale sigil]

You don't gen enough heat to care to much

[stark bobcat]

Me just being a patient boy confident valve will deliver something solid

[pale sigil]

You shouldn't be plugging it into a display to do serious gaming

[pale sigil]

I've had my deck for months already XD

[junior ore]

For the switch, mostly does t get too hot. But the deck : it can get hot indeed

[tropic nacelle]

Hey even candy crush can be serious at times!

[stark bobcat]

Same

[junior ore]

I cant stop playing on my deck even though i want to vr instead

[pale sigil]

I'm just so annoyed, I waited so long to find a solution to my goal.

I caved in and bought this

[stark bobcat]

Still prefer my pc but it's goated for travelling and commuting

[pale sigil]

Bam two days later solution

[junior ore]

There was plenty of USB devices to allow multiple monitors

[pale sigil]

Just create the fucking product and stop re releasing it before others

[pale sigil]

There's no decent ones unless they cost £100 or don't have hdmi 2

[junior ore]

Well, true. I already had the luck of 4 stupidly expensive thunderbolt ones that i got essentially free.

[tropic nacelle]

Do you mean hdmi 2.0 or 2 hdmis?

[pale sigil]

Hdmi 2.0

Most are 4k30hz or 1440p60hz

[tropic nacelle]

You trying to run it on a 4k TV/monitor I take it? Are there even games it can run at 4k 60fps?

[pale sigil]

2k/144hz

But no, I want to use it for desktop purposes

[tropic nacelle]

Ah fair enough, hadn't really thought about the deck being used out of games!

[neat oriole]

I can’t help you pay taxes

[ashen spindle]

help him commit tax fraud

[junior ore]

If you are going to commit tax evasion, you have to dress up as a turnip.

[empty wren]

Just ask daddy boris

Or somedin

[cursive summit]

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/88154/amd-ryzen-9-7950x3d-zen-4-cache-cpu-should-launch-early-in-q1-2023/index.html

Heh

7950X3D

Why the big boy

Oh

[deft marlin]

Oh dear

[cursive summit]

This clown is everywhere

[deft marlin]

Me?

[cursive summit]

https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-well-yes-no-yes-yes-no-gif-13736934

[ashen spindle]

yes but hes just guessing what is likely correct

[cursive summit]

More important is when 7800X3D launches

[ashen spindle]

the only reason we dont have the 5950x3d is because they are so constraint on supply they put it all into server

might be later, might be same time or even never

[cursive summit]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-to-keep-using-amd-rdna-gpus-for-socs

[ashen spindle]

honestly depends on what intel launches and what the supply looks like

amd can change what they want to make relatively late into the cycle

[cursive summit]

https://wccftech.com/amd-set-to-become-tsmcs-second-largest-5nm-customer-courtesy-of-ryzen-7000/

https://youtu.be/My-8f1Z_Zbo

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/3616874-worlds-top-password-manager-lastpass-says-it-was-hacked/

Oof, get smacked

[true quest]

glass or tripod stand

[empty wren]

Just use a piece of paper and a ruler

[empty wren]

That would be most ideal

But who knows what property rules he has

[junior ore]

@true quest i don't recommend either of these

This is what I use for my VR lighthouses https://www.amazon.com/FastCap-Support-System-144-Inches-3HAND5/dp/B000067S12/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?keywords=Ceiling+Support+Jack&qid=1661603195&sr=8-3

Jacked between floor and ceiling : cant knock it over. Can put them anywhere.

[cursive summit]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/mark-zuckerberg-says-waking-up-in-the-morning-is-like-getting-punched-in-the-stomach-11661540231

[junior ore]

https://www.amazon.com/SUPON-Threaded-Compatible-Microphone-Motorcycle/dp/B00PICAE4C/ref=mp_s_a_1_11?crid=328E75U86ZGPR&keywords=camera+clamp+mount&qid=1661603287&sprefix=camera+clamp+mount%2Caps%2C131&sr=8-11

[cursive summit]

Ngl if I woke up every morning and realized I was a lizard or an android

[junior ore]

And these for the mount

[cursive summit]

I'd also feel shit

[junior ore]

Aaaaaaa

If anyone is running both an Arch linux and a grub, as in like if you are dual booting your Steam Deck @pale sigil. :

DONT UPDATE YOUR GRUB

There's apparently been an issue with grub that has been causing some boot fails.

I have to chroot my main computer now because i updated to the faulty grub without checking for faults in updates first

[pale sigil]

Doesn't surprise me

[junior ore]

I was dummy and blindly uodated

But am currently fixing

[junior ore]

Man i love chroot. Can just. Go into the system and fix shit and get it working again.

[fickle ore]

Anyone know where to buy genexis/inteno modemrouters and are they any good?

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-ti-rtx-4060-get-first-rumored-performance-claims

https://www.techspot.com/news/95766-amd-ryzen-5-7600x-ryzen-7-7700x-cinebench.html

[shadow minnow]

I just hope I can get a 4080 in February

[frozen ingot]

so when those fancy new cpus come out

[shadow minnow]

No but when I am back from uk for a week

And hogwarts legacy

I have a cpu already

Nope

Never had a dGPU

Actually never in any of my devices

Just iGPUs

In uk most of the time without the pc, so first didn’t get a GPU because of low stock pricing and now not getting it because next gen is close

[ashen spindle]

announcement this week for amd likely, amd and intel should launch in around a month

[shadow minnow]

Any rumors on when GPUs get anounced?

[frozen ingot]

nice

hopefully I got enough funds to splurge by then

yeah been building and selling some electronics but business is slower than its ever been

got some $600 saved up for parts, would like to at least double that before I go shopping

[ashen spindle]

since you are likely not shooting for best gpu possible used can also be great value since the market is a bit flooded now so that should make it quite enticing

[shadow minnow]

Especially like 4080 range

[frozen ingot]

skipping gpu this time around, my 2060 will have to hang on for a bit longer

[shadow minnow]

My Intel UHD 750 kinda wants to stop having to be my main system GPU

My mobo doesn’t allow me to set its voltage above 1.3v so limited to 1650mhz too

[frozen ingot]

just want to get the fastest cpu and ram I can afford, and mobo/cooling to support it

[shadow minnow]

I have fast ram but combined with oced GPU it’s not stable enough since it has to function as vram

Or well

Fast for the time

But it’s DDR4

[frozen ingot]

ddr5 would be nice if I can muster

for maximum longevity

[shadow minnow]

I am definitely not buying a new cpu so no ddr5 either

Have RKL and 4266mhz DDR4
Also pcie 4 ssd, should be enough for a while

Just if I could get a dGPU in February

Funnily because of distributor mistake I got my SSD before it was actually released

[frozen ingot]

my system is very high end, by 2015 standards

copes surprisingly well with most games and applications I use, but some titles am holding off for a better system

[shadow minnow]

I am surprised by how well I can run battlefield V and bioshock infinite

[tropic nacelle]

The 4000 series will be sometime in q4, probably announced in late September and out in November.

AMD cards are likely to be out similar time.

with the extreme cost of power right now it has meant mining is not worth it at all so I would actually expect some normality to resume for GPU launches so it might be worth actually seeing whose better at which price point or just get it from a retailer who has a good returns policy

[frozen ingot]

am kinda concerned how well my psu will handle future gen cards with the way the power consumption and peak/spike draw is playing out

[shadow minnow]

Same

“850w will be enough for OCed watercooled cpu and GPU they said”

[frozen ingot]

lolyup

now its like 1500W to make sure it handles the spikes

[shadow minnow]

Wish Corsair didn’t discontinue the 1000w PSU I wanted to get just a month before I had to get a PSU

[frozen ingot]

aren't there other options as good

[ashen spindle]

plenty of others but not a good idea to overspec for what you dont need

[shadow minnow]

Well I am still worried 850 won’t be enough for watercooled OC

[frozen ingot]

I probably won't bother much with OC on a higher end card but still concerned if 750W would cut it

[ashen spindle]

it will

since you're not going to max out gpu and cpu at the same time in any game

[frozen ingot]

I only really oc my current rig because it sorta needed to keep up a bit better

[ashen spindle]

september 27th for expected cpu launch date to be precise btw

[shadow minnow]

I hope same or earlier for GPUs

[ashen spindle]

no chance

[shadow minnow]

[ashen spindle]

19th september nvidia might announce something during gtc but nothing more

[frozen ingot]

ugh need to build more stuff to sell but sales so slow my motivation is close to zero

[deft marlin]

you a hawker?

[pulsar canopy]

Gpus gonna get delayed due to excessive 3000 stock xd

[ashen spindle]

only on nvidias side and at most by a month if at all

[pulsar canopy]

Ngl, Despite the crypto crash, I’m 100% the new gpus are still gonna get scalped.

[frozen ingot]

my first time hearing that term

but no, I make music stuffs

[ashen spindle]

nothing to do with crypto, just normal demand/supply and them being sold out is something thats also been normal for older releases

[pulsar canopy]

Eh true ig

Covid also played a role

[empty wren]

Mom I need a gaming PC for zoom

[deft marlin]

those people selling stuff on the street

although I might've been a tad derogatory

since it's usually fake copies of say leather purses and shit

[empty wren]

Vegans probably would not feel scammed

[frozen ingot]

yeah did a google, don't see that very often here these days, they typically crawl out from their lairs at public events to where the crowds are

[deft marlin]

the illegal aspect can be seen in their name, makes me think of those people selling hawk talons

[empty wren]

Where

[deft marlin]

hawker

or selling Hawking's brain....

[deft marlin]

well advertising is definitely becoming of higher quality

products are stagnating

i mean, at least we aren't inventing completely new concepts these years

my take is that this can only be determined when we go through the internet archives, see manuals for example a keyboard, see if the same fixes happen for complicated stuff

like they work/don't work

i.e. upgrading a laptop keyboard, if the cables are soldered then we know that ain't possible

only way we'd wanna open up a laptop, is because the guide said so

and reasoning for this soldering of internal cables? Likely because stock is by then higher quality than aftermarket. At least if framework did this

[deft marlin]

the idea I was trying to come up with was that because they would use lower quality materials, at least in the early stages they would resort to lower quality measures. Such as soldering stuff to motherboards (custom PC.exe has been terminated). But then there would be the "cloning' of higher end procedures just slightly adjusted to suit lower quality things as to trick the general public and rake in enough currency to purchase the rare supply of genuine high quality chips. So from them onward, the only way to genuinely tell a lower quality from high would be repair protocols/methods for certain components from the past which would indicate something has stayed the same or changed.

At first, modular PSUs might go extinct. Then they could come back, but the only way for it to be modular would be to purchase a cable from the same company producing that model of PSU as a replacement/better aesthetics etc etc. The only way we'd tell, if media doesn't realise/find out and tell us, is by sticking in say a Corsair cable into an EVGA PSU and watching a kaboom

if we weren't loyalists to one company before that started happening.

ofc I'm sometimes gullible and take things as true, so I can't comment on the validity of that message posted as a ss

[deft marlin]

I'm braindead; even in proper circumstances don't try this at home

never mix and match PSU cables

power cables would've been a better choice of analogy

like how in the old days one company's wiring would only be useful for the same company's electronic products

because the port was incompatible with other companies stuff

indeed

but that would be by old standards. Eventually people will register that as normal, and quality as a whole being "good" would be worse than now.

[deft marlin]

Why the brain farts this will always happen what an unnecessary message

[frozen ingot]

that's enough soldering for tonight

hello back pain my old friend

[deft marlin]

when the army general who's also a tech nerd says "soldiering" instead of "soldering"

US Army -

[frozen ingot]

soldier on private

[deft marlin]

it'd be worse if he was a bodyguard 🤣

working for someone like Escobar

[frozen ingot]

https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/am5R1OV_700b.jpg

[deft marlin]

he would not have a pleasant future to look forward to if he ditched his boss when they were being pursued by police

[frozen ingot]

sheesh, feels like you could buy cocaine for less than some components go for these days

[empty wren]

Tis fine

Pepe using non leaded solder

Oh and non flux

That is what makes eyes water

[frozen ingot]

you can't really get leaded solder here any longer

bugs me a bit

[empty wren]

I mean

Just import it

Right

Or illegal?

[frozen ingot]

could probably work, if I find a place that ships here

I don't really need it to build stuff, but for repairing old equipment I really don't want to poke around with a 380c tip

[empty wren]

Ah okt

Could use flux solder

[frozen ingot]

most solder has some amount of flux mixed in

[empty wren]

Might help a bit

Oh I mean

Sorry rosin core

The smelly one

[frozen ingot]

yeah that's the stuff am using heh

smells resiny indeed

got some pure liquid flux too but don't need to use it much

[empty wren]

Anyways good idea to buy good solder too

[frozen ingot]

meanwhile louis rossmann be like dumping half a tube of flux on anything he desolders

[empty wren]

Will helpss well

[frozen ingot]

yeah not worth trying to save on cheap solder, it'll just frustrate you

[empty wren]

I mean the Chinese solder

I got is okay

Melts at like 280

Came with station

[frozen ingot]

my favourite lead-free one got too pricy tho so I get some stannol that's almost as good

[empty wren]

Hmm

I am gonna buy new fresh solder

For my new iron though

Lead solder is fine

So long as you do not lick your fingers later

Like it ain't no krytox 205g0

But probably best to have a respirator or something

Maybe actually gloves

Though silly your country banned it

When it more dangerous when used for mas production

[frozen ingot]

it was used for business scale assembly so was nescessary

though its not sold anymore am pretty sure its still legal to use leaded as a hobbyist

most of the lead doesn't really end up in the fumes so its not worse for the user, the concern is mainly in e-waste I think

[empty wren]

Oh

I mean still did not want to touch it sorry

But leaded rosin core solder is pretty common too

And the good stuff

If you get the right concentrations

[frozen ingot]

I don't worry too much, I just wash my hands thoroughly afterwards

[empty wren]

Ike this

60%tin40%lead

[frozen ingot]

digikey still has plenty of leaded, and I just placed an order there the other day

[empty wren]

Ah okay

My dad'w workplace has lead solder

I think they only do it for client request

And very few boards get made in the first place

[frozen ingot]

I had a roll but I gave it away to a friend quite a while back

[empty wren]

Big sad

[frozen ingot]

wasn't expecting the damn stuff to disappear from stores here kek

[empty wren]

Well hope they made good use of it

[empty wren]

One day cars disappear

The next the parks are upside down

[frozen ingot]

eco cultists are winning

[empty wren]

Lol

Anyways wanna hear some bull California put to law I think

[frozen ingot]

when are they not coming up with some new clown law

[empty wren]

In 13 years gas cars are banned

They can have good luck with that

[frozen ingot]

they want to do that by 2030 in many parts of eu

and yeah, good luck

[empty wren]

Tsk tsk tsk

Who would want to spend like $30k for a new car

Just cuz some political dumbass decides so

[frozen ingot]

"just buy a tesla lmao"

[empty wren]

To produce electricity will need to burn more fossil fuels

Lol

Idiots

[frozen ingot]

its not like the electricity grid can even cope with it

[empty wren]

Exactly

Watch what happens

[frozen ingot]

or that electricity itself is more expensive than its ever been now

[empty wren]

When more people have them

[empty wren]

Yep that too

Hurt the people

And probably screw the environment even more

Cuz then the cars will have to be thrown away right

[frozen ingot]

huff putins gas

I think the law specifically wants to ban the sale of new gas cars

the existing ones will likely be allowed to run until end of life

[empty wren]

Still dumb though

Limit people choice

More pricy

[frozen ingot]

but don't worry they'll come up with some bs laws that makes it prohibitly expensive to do so

[empty wren]

They also need to wire up stuff in the homes

Probably more expensive new homes with it built in

[empty wren]

Basically yeah

[frozen ingot]

they're still building new housing with parking here that doesn't have electrical outlets, or ones not rated for charging EVs

big smort

[empty wren]

Lol

They expect the owner to pay

Also gas stations are kinda nice

They have shops

Maybe get a snack

[frozen ingot]

I don't have one on my spot, so can't have EV even if I wanted

or could afford

[empty wren]

I mean either eayt

Real ridiculous

To start doing so when the technology or income ain't there even

Like what about all the poor people

Or the people who could have had cars

Like I get in EU cars are more like your own thing

[frozen ingot]

yeah lots of low and middle class households who's pretty much reliant on cars can't fit it into their monthly budget anymore

[empty wren]

But here everyone has one

They are so accessible

[empty wren]

Very sad

[frozen ingot]

virtually every proposal the enviromentalist party comes up with here is a square kick in the nuts to poor people

they lobbied for years to get perfectly functional nuclear reactors shut down, and now that electricity has skyrocketed in price and oil burning plants are being powered up again to meet demand they have the audacity to rant about how irresponsible and wrong it is to increase our reliance on fossil fuels

fucking pepegas

[empty wren]

https://youtube.com/shorts/2blNjxDa4pM?feature=share

Reminds me of this

[astral haven]

yea well the idea was you shut down the reactors and put money into renewables

[frozen ingot]

worked out just great that one

[astral haven]

yea but that didnt happen

renewables arent actually cheaper
they cost about the same price since you need more of it to meet the same peak demand

and what happened was they shut down the plants and didnt spend the money on renewables

at least in the us

dunno about eu

[frozen ingot]

relying on the weather for your energy is marginally more reliable than relying on astrology to guide you through life

[astral haven]

thats why renewables cost more than people are willing to spend on them

[empty wren]

Hydroelectric dams are good but not many places you can put em

[astral haven]

the only country i know that actually invested the correct ratio of storage to renewables was gb

and gb didnt really make much in terms of renewables

[frozen ingot]

yeah most of our domestic power is hydroelectric

like 40% or something like that

[astral haven]

and guess what
you can use solar and wind to store energy in hydro plants

use hydro as your peakers instead of coal

[empty wren]

Got a ton of windmills here in Indiana but every time I passed them on highway barely any move and those that do are usually slow

Geothermal also exists

For like iceland

[frozen ingot]

we got a lot of those too, and to be fair it is quite windy here a lot of the time

[astral haven]

usually windmills are intentionally deactivated because they dont have enough storage

[frozen ingot]

still, they'll need so many more to make a dent in the average production

[empty wren]

Ah

[astral haven]

they will turn the blades so that they dont spin

[frozen ingot]

also they fugly, loud and disturb wildlife

[astral haven]

definetly not as much as coal or oil peakers lmao

[true quest]

no, no, everything we do disturbs life

[frozen ingot]

so they want to build them out at sea which is preferable but probably expensive as shit

[astral haven]

and as for nuclear, you need a relatively large exclusion zone for that too

[empty wren]

poke you have been disturbed

[astral haven]

eh
windmills are cheaper than drilling platforms which are also at sea

[frozen ingot]

we didn't have much coal power here even at its peak

and the last plant closed in 2018

[astral haven]

what are your peakers using then?

natural gas?

[frozen ingot]

oil

[astral haven]

wow so much better

[frozen ingot]

yup

[astral haven]

and you are eu so you arent using your own reserves

[true quest]

not like it will run out one day, thank the stars

[frozen ingot]

they don't run that often though, but they've had to a lot more the last couple years thanks to closing down a lot of our nuclear reactors

[astral haven]

you are probably importing it from somewhere else which means that you are using alot of energy to transport it too...

yea and imagine if they replaced those nuclear reactors with pumped hydro peakers and solar farms

[frozen ingot]

oh yeah EU countries pretty much have to supply each other with electricity as part of agreements

[empty wren]

Just attach your PC to the cardio stationary bike

[astral haven]

no i mean the oil

[frozen ingot]

yeah funny thing that

instead of buying oil from our neighbors we import it from the saudis and apparently africa

[astral haven]

as long as we can export the problem to a 3rd world nation its not a problem any more

[frozen ingot]

a lot of the EU still imports tons of oil and gas from russia as well

[astral haven]

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/images/2/2b/Indigenous_production_of_crude_oil%2C_EU%2C_1990-2020_(million_tonnes).png

nice

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/images/6/6f/Crude_oil_imports_by_country_of_origin%2C_EU%2C_2000%2C_2019%2C_2020_(million_tonnes).png

double nice

[frozen ingot]

apart from norway I don't know much about any other places in EU or surrounding regions that produce oil

[astral haven]

i mean apparently italy denmark and romania all produce?

[frozen ingot]

yep plenty of EU leaders got real cozy with relying on russia for gas and oil and didn't consider looking into options

worked out well that one

[astral haven]

yeet

anyways the point is that if they had moved the money that they had invested in nuclear directly into renewables, they would have at least been able to offset shutting down the plants through storage and generative capacty

and a special bonus is that you have signficantly more jobs floating around in both manufacturing and maintanance, and less money is wasted on raw materials

[frozen ingot]

scientists here are pretty much in agreement that while nuclear is far from perfect its still the most efficient and enviromentally non-intrusive method of energy production option we got, that doesn't line up very well with the greenwashing narrative politicans has sold us on for decades now though

[astral haven]

remember money spent refining fuels doesnt go back into the local economy at all where maintanance and manufacturing of windmills, pumped hydro, and to a lesser extent solar all goes straight back into your local economy

[frozen ingot]

they'll happily quote scientific studies as long as it aligns with their politics, if it doesn't not so much

[astral haven]

im also gonna need a citation on that one

if you dont include the nuclear waste storage, transportation, and mining 100%

but a full lifecycle analysis of a windmill can fully stay within your country

same for a pumped hydro plant

[frozen ingot]

most of the articles on the topic I've read aren't in english, but the argument is modern nuclear would make more efficient use of the fuel and shorten the half life of the waste that has to be kept stored

[astral haven]

and the lifecycle analysis of an oil plant is just tragedy after tragedy to the point that I dont think i even need to explain

[frozen ingot]

also have you seen the amounts of waste even a currently operating older nuclear plant produces? it ain't that much at all tbh

[astral haven]

good for it
you still need to mine it out of the ground, transport it to a different country, refine it, and then it gets used up and you need to store it somewhere robust enough that it wont leak into your childrens groundwater

[astral haven]

each pound of fissile material requires something on the order of 10 tons of material moved, transported, and refined

and all of that 9.99 tons of material you lost is to some extent radioactive

you cant let any of it leech into groundwater...

[frozen ingot]

you can make a lot of power with that though

[astral haven]

not as much as a pound of copper would if invested into a windmill

or a pound of silicon invested into solar panels

[frozen ingot]

also I find it interesting how the concern is so great with even the slightest amount of radioactive contamination but we've somehow been largely fine spewing out coal and oil smoke into the atmosphere for decades

[astral haven]

soot gets removed from the atmosphere very quickly and locally, and the rest are naturally part of the carbon cycle

[frozen ingot]

both of which has a lot more casualties under its belt than nuclear ever had, accidents included

[astral haven]

oh for sure

but the idea isnt to replace nuclear with oil

the point is to replace it (for the same price) with even more capacity of renewables, which would decrease your use of oil

[frozen ingot]

can't rely solely on renewables for a considerable future though, but many leaders wants that to be the case so badly they'll have vital energy infrastructure prematurely shut down before they're even close to approximating the demand it leaves behind with renewable options

[astral haven]

heres the trick tho
you can rely on renewables more than you can rely on imports...

[frozen ingot]

so now we're enjoying record high energy prices and reliance on authoritarian warmongers to supply large amounts of it

[astral haven]

yes

[frozen ingot]

maybe you can, if it actually exists, but they didn't get to that part where they built nearly enough to be able to rely on it

[astral haven]

and thats because they replaced nuclear with oil

its not complicated
replace a nuclear plant which generates peak power = average power of lets say 10mw
and if you replace it with a set of solar and wind plants that generate an average of 2mw and a peak of 10, on average you added 8mw of oil power

wheras if you had spent the same amount on renewables you would have (in the us at least dunno about renewable pricing in the eu) 15mw of average generation, and a couple gwh of storage

[frozen ingot]

wind accounts for about 16% of our domestic energy production

[astral haven]

and it would account for how much if they had invested in it the same amount they invested in nuclear?

but really you want to be more investing in pumped hydro and solar

[frozen ingot]

no idea, but we haven't really invested in any new reactors since probably sometime 1970s or 80s

[astral haven]

solar can get you aloooooot of energy extremely consistently, and you can build it on top of the land you are using for pumped hydro

[frozen ingot]

solar isn't that efficient here

its overcast for like 300 days a year

and in the winter we barely get daylight to begin with

[astral haven]

🤷 ah more northern eu then

got alot of coastlines?

[frozen ingot]

quite a lot yes, most of the wind power is situated along those

[astral haven]

there you go

[deft marlin]

future of power (if everything goes according to plan) - "irrigate" solar power to regions that can't produce it themselves

[astral haven]

considering that generation capacity, you probably mostly just need more storage considering what I know of eu energy policy

[frozen ingot]

still would need way more to approach hydro or nuclear production

[astral haven]

youd be surprised

i suspect you could double your generation just by improving your storage

[frozen ingot]

its getting harder for them to build new ones as well

[astral haven]

without building more windmills

[deft marlin]

but then we'd have to clear out underground and undersea data cabling at some point if thats still continued (probably will be within most of this chat's lifetime) to make way for advanced electricity routing

[frozen ingot]

residents in windmill heavy or areas lucrative for building them are increasingly protesting plans on constructing more

[deft marlin]

either that or enlarge the current ones, undersea operation doesn't sound especially safe rn

and monsoon season 💀

[deft marlin]

a pain when they catch on fire and fail from lightning

and they kill birds

[astral haven]

how about build enough storage so you can run the windmills that already exist at maximum efficiency and have them further away from the energy in use

[frozen ingot]

we rarely have surplus power to store these days tbh

[deft marlin]

how is power stored lmao

[astral haven]

build hydro

[deft marlin]

commercially I've only seen reliable sources of generation where remaining power is consumed then no more provided

once the generator is off

[astral haven]

yes thats done by regulating the amount of generation so it doesnt surpass demand
most wind farms are directly regulated that way

[deft marlin]

could invest in some elastic material to store it in the form of elastic energy

[astral haven]

or use water

[deft marlin]

just have it looping around

[deft marlin]

but thats not readily available energy

or usable energy, for that matter

[astral haven]

thats why you take the water and pump it uphill with your excess renewable power

[deft marlin]

it'd still have to be processed through a hydro plant

[frozen ingot]

its kinda seasonal for most part, typically surplus mostly happens in summer, during the winter the need for importing increase significantly

[deft marlin]

I was talking about "irrigating" power to places that can't generate it by means of renewable methods

[astral haven]

yes so you use pumped hydro which can store the energy indefinetly

[deft marlin]

that would require readily usable energy flowing through pipes or stored

[astral haven]

you mean importing?

[deft marlin]

already exists for raw power?

[astral haven]

yes?

[deft marlin]

.

for how long a distance

[astral haven]

very long distances

[deft marlin]

I was talking if overpopulation goes brr and people live in caves

again

[astral haven]

eu to africa

what

im talking about serious current problems

[deft marlin]

alright enough jokes then

mind recapping, chat history seems awfully long

[astral haven]

many countries removed nuclear power, then replaced it with renewables which at their peak produce the same amount of power but not on average

then surprised picachu that they are using more oil to make up for the lower capacity they built

[deft marlin]

Makes me think why Elon Musk sent Starlink to.. tonga I think after that tsunami

[astral haven]

and they also built basically zero energy storage

[deft marlin]

like how many countries governments are actually evacuating Earth

just looking to keep others primed and healthy with great short term energy

see if anymore geniuses emerge that can advance humanity out of the crowd, make sure the information age caters for their needs

take the load of them after a millennia and set up plans for when Andromeda clashes with the Milky Way

[frozen ingot]

I just want reasonable energy costs again lol, we're often sniffing around what equates to 30-70 cents a kilowatt hour this year converted

shits just gotten mental since 2021

[deft marlin]

Well J. Robert Oppenheimer is no longer as miserable

if people aren't using on a mass scale what once caused tons of deaths in Japan

but with a more powerful version of the atom bomb's tech

for reference Oppenheimer is that person who said "I am become death, destroyer of worlds"

[deft marlin]

So the issue is, that countries are advancing and power needs are rising, but production technology has gone backward in terms of viable results

[astral haven]

no?

[deft marlin]

I know

[astral haven]

they are choosing to not spend the money

[deft marlin]

Well, there are a lot of issues in modern politics

not discarding the matter though - think about the potential warfare between China and USA, electronic vehicles being impractical to some people

whenever a "more urgent" pressing matter is announced to the government of any country, they'll choose to take action over that than something else thats irrelevant to the sustainability of themselves

[junior ore]

Are we talking about nuclear plants?

[pale sigil]

Linus is losing it lately I swear

[wheat plume]

?

[misty saffron]

cal is lanaposting

[shadow minnow]

lol

[pale sigil]

https://twitter.com/linusgsebastian/status/1563791870916173824?t=eEwpn9I70n1CXJDDo1-hVQ&s=19

Linus LinusMediaGroup (@linusgsebastian)

It's REALLY interesting watching people who have never touched our screwdriver argue about its quality with the people who came to the pop-up shop today and compared it side-by-side with the competition...

H8ers gonna h8 basically I guess...

Thanks y'all for the amazing day :D

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Twitter · Aug 28, 2022, 7:33 AM

@misty saffron @wheat plume

Look at all his replies

He's been doing a lot of rants lately in general, being a bit salty and defensive.

[wheat plume]

I can only read 2 comments before twitter says no

[pale sigil]

Though I think a lot of people don't seem to get that $80 isn't that insane.

[wheat plume]

for a screwdriver??

[pale sigil]

@ashen spindle can you use that site that unlocks Twitter pls

[pale sigil]

Mhmm

Mine cost me like £30

And it's a cheaper one.

Good ones can cost easily a lot more.

[wheat plume]

gosh damn nitter is slow AF

[pale sigil]

But I can't really say how good his is though

[empty wren]

Has the biggest magnet that could fit and the took time to get ratcheting right

[pale sigil]

But my main point was how he's reacting to people lately.

Magnets are so damn shit even in the medium range ones

[misty saffron]

nitter.net

[pale sigil]

I spent £30 on an ok one and I've had it for 8 years so far

[wheat plume]

yeh, its slow AF

[thick pine]

nitter and twitter both suck

[pale sigil]

https://nitter.net/linusgsebastian/status/1563791870916173824?t=eEwpn9I70n1CXJDDo1-hVQ&s=19

[thick pine]

and as far as screwdrivers, the quality and functionality of LTT’s matches the price imo

[pale sigil]

Haven't tested it for myself

Being he doesn't wanna deal with eu laws

[wheat plume]

ive only ever used cheap ass manual ones that are not even magnetic

ive dropped MANY screws

.-.

[empty wren]

Could also just magnetize them

[reef patrol]

I genuinely couldn't care less cause Linus doesn't have an EU warehouse 😛

[wheat plume]

hehe

[pale sigil]

Linus just doesn't wanna abide by eu laws

Consumer rights and all

His terrible take on warranties wouldn't fly here

[reef patrol]

[wheat plume]

wait

the UK still uses EU laws for this stuff?

[pale sigil]

Ofc

[empty wren]

The idea of warranty also in a sense feels sketchy as the product could fail right after it

[reef patrol]

It takes years to make meaningful changes.

[wheat plume]

I thought theyd make their own ones because they wanted to leave the EU so badly

[pale sigil]

We didn't lose them, we just don't get forced into new ones.

But in general if EU make laws it effects pretty much all of Europe regardless of eu or not.

Apple aren't going to have lightning just for the UK for example

[wheat plume]

Even nothern ireland doesnt wanna have any mention of locations in the republic on their signs

[reef patrol]

Mhmm... usually just easier to go with the flow.
This is also why right to repair is so important - Companies like Apple would save more money and effort by just adopting the most strict consumer rights region globally.

[wheat plume]

wanna go to Donegal? got to find the nearest place to it in the north and head towards there

[empty wren]

Yeah but but apple could rent you out expensive equipment and make more money

[pale sigil]

Nah it was bullshit from the Brexit party.

The UK didn't wanna leave the eu, boomers did.

[wheat plume]

oof... .-.

[pale sigil]

Even most of the government didn't wanna leave.

[wheat plume]

yeh :/

EcoServe™️ was made by Nikola Tesla

LOL

[misty saffron]

i wonder if giving the youth more voting power would be a good idea

it sort of makes more sense

[wheat plume]

^

only the generations that are upcming should be allowed to vote

imo

the generation that are next in line for these positions

[misty saffron]

young people are forced to live for much longer than boomers so

just makes sense to give more power

[wheat plume]

yep

[final flame]

the older people won't allow it to happen though sadly

[wheat plume]

ive even heard some people in power say they dont give a fuck about the results of some elections cause they will bbe retiring soon so it doesnt matter to them

[misty saffron]

this is why democracy is flawed

[final flame]

Just look at the amount of politicians under the age of 40-50

[misty saffron]

i can’t easily name any

[empty wren]

Deny boomers voting rights at certain age

[wheat plume]

anytime someone young tries to become a politician they get slammed with clickbait titles like "Should a politician really be this young?" or "Wow! THe youngest person so far is trying to be a politician"

[ashen spindle]

for any old person who doesnt care you have a young person who has no clue, sure maybe put a cap on it like 80 years or something that is scientifically backed, otherwise you cant take away human rights because you disagree with them

[wheat plume]

🤦‍♀️

[misty saffron]

not deny, but make them less significant

again, just makes sense

[empty wren]

Okay

[misty saffron]

it’s infuriating how young people are almost not allowed to be politicians

[empty wren]

Well...

Depends what role

Some roles should be reversed to those older

[misty saffron]

meanwhile 80yo politicians be like “i’m about to die so who cares how much i fuck up”

[wheat plume]

^

[misty saffron]

do i need to point at such person?

[empty wren]

Nope

Boris is doing a bloody good job being an asshole

[misty saffron]

boris? i thought of a different person

[empty wren]

Oh okay

Speak

[misty saffron]

sigh

putin

[empty wren]

Oh

[thick pine]

I see this as a good thing, once they’re dead we can actually start making progress 🙂

[misty saffron]

yep see you in 4 decades

[reef patrol]

Fallacy - There's another generation of now 80 yr olds ready to take over 😛

[thick pine]

We recently elected a 29 year old into Congress so hopefully people are starting to realize the issue lol

[pale sigil]

29 is boomer age

[misty saffron]

also has a side-effect of young people doing something that would make them live better in the future

and coincidentally their generation also

same generation usually has little to no difference in political views, yada yada

[cursive summit]

https://twitter.com/9550pro/status/1563846926164176901

HXL (@9550pro)

Raphael 2x Durango CCD 16x Persephone Core
Ryzen 9 7950X
5.7GHz (PBO/XFR 5.85GHz)
5.85 vs 5.8（Intel RPL）

https://t.co/BZM5fHaU5G

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Twitter · Aug 28, 2022, 11:12 AM

[shadow minnow]

Idk my country has a bit younger politicians though not young

[cursive summit]

https://www.engadget.com/corsair-xeneon-flex-45wqhd240-announced-223711070.html

That's really cool

[shadow minnow]

Well it’s gonna be plastic and not glass screen which sucks too

Matte monitors suck in general

[cursive summit]

It's a W-OLED so that's good enough

[stark bobcat]

retarde

most people below 23 I know I have no clue what is going on in the world

[junior ore]

Gotta find the right balance

Not too young where they arent aware enough and not too old where they are too stubborn and not aware enough

[stark bobcat]

conversing with ca. 18 year olds frequently has taught me "politics are cringe and voting is useless"

[junior ore]

It mostly sadly is with the way its rigged unless we can vote in people that can make changes.

[wheat plume]

ye

[shadow minnow]

Nontheless 16-17 people should be allowed to vote in general elections

Or well in the UK in my country I am not sure if it would be a good idea people here aren’t so mature

[stark bobcat]

no question but tbh at 16 i had no idea what i was even voting for

When I was 16 germany had just pased a law that allowed 16 year olds to vote in regional elections

I voted for similar parties to what I would vote for nowadays but only because that is what I thought was the "non cringe party"

[junior ore]

I don't believe allowing 16 years to vote is a good idea.

you want people that are, yes, mature, but also people that have some life experience and knowledge.

hell, even 24 isn't exactly a good ripe age but it's closer.

too many in that age range and under that don't know what to do in life

or depressed.

or just still going under what their parents told them and not independent thoughts on their own

[shadow minnow]

Well at least in the UK most 16 year olds I have seen talking about voting had more unbiased and mature opinions than most people voting clearly from the current ruling party lol

[junior ore]

you want people able to independently think to be able to vote

[shadow minnow]

16 year olds are able to think independently

[junior ore]

in theory

[stark bobcat]

at the age of 23 i already had very distinct ideas of what policy should look like different from my parents

[junior ore]

but not really.

[shadow minnow]

And old people are just as easy to manipulate

[junior ore]

sorry but you are sitll basically a kid at 16

[shadow minnow]

Ok and?

Doesn’t mean you don’t have your views

[reef patrol]

If you're old enough to operate deadly machinery in public, you're old enough to vote.

[shadow minnow]

I mean not 16 year olds have the same level of maturity

[junior ore]

you have your views yes but I think you still need more time.

[stark bobcat]

this if you are allowed to work you should be allowed to vote

[shadow minnow]

Well instead old manipulated people vote and then look at the results

Boris Johnson uh no comment

Now two candidates

[junior ore]

I specfically said not too you AND not too old*

[shadow minnow]

Rishi sunak who wants to take away funding from poorer areas and move it to richer

[junior ore]

but like. I don't think good idea to revoke rights to vote after its been given.

[shadow minnow]

And Liz who doesn’t like France, solar panels and hates when you consume non British apples

[junior ore]

it might just be a case of too difficult to tell when and when not to give someone the right to vote as everyone is different as well as when they mentally grow up.

[shadow minnow]

From what I could see most 16-17yos wouldn’t vote for the Conservative party

So better choice than what most old people have done

[junior ore]

I think perhaps the right to vote should be tied to those that get a High School Education or GED AT MINIMUM

so that its not tied to a specific age and there's some amount of education tied to it.

[stark bobcat]

?????????????

no

[junior ore]

no?

why not?

[shadow minnow]

This is a very controversial thing

[junior ore]

it's an idea, I'm just throwing around. i'm all for hearing why its a stupid idea lol

[stark bobcat]

because did you know children of poorer parents are also likely to have worse education

[shadow minnow]

Like on the one hand I have to admit I see people with worse education more often falling for far right or far left parties.
But discrimination sucks.

[stark bobcat]

punishing the poor is not my idea of fairness

[shadow minnow]

Well this is not about punishing the poor though

But it can get to that

[junior ore]

aye but that depends on if they are going to a school with equalized national standards or lowered standards for that area for budgeting reasons. Though supposedly in this hypothetical ; we are also assuming the educational issues are improved or some of it fixed. in this hypothetical world*

and that is a fair point : the poor shouldn't be punished. but this could be remedied with improved public schooling which would make it independent of the wealth status of the families.

[shadow minnow]

Like here in a town where most people were miners people are just worse educated now and less wise on average.
And we shouldn’t discriminate people but the issue is this often leads them to be easy to manipulate and fall for far right. There just isn’t an easy way out.
Parents drink and beat their children making their children do the same and you have a chain.
But that’s mostly issue of one region here

[junior ore]

also yes : my idea wasn't to specifically punish the poor*

it was to set a non-age standard. and of course, thats why I also said GED which even if you dorp out of high school : you can always get at a later age as an adult and such.

[shadow minnow]

Just because someone doesn’t have a right to vote doesn’t mean you punish them either, sometimes people vote for what is actually worse for them

[junior ore]

aye there is that too.

[shadow minnow]

But ngl in places where education isn’t free it really shouldn’t be required for voting

[stark bobcat]

you are taking away their rights to make a decision

you are punishing them

[junior ore]

right but lets assume we fix the issue of poor schools in the hypothetical world

is there any other issue with tying the right to vote to diploma or GED?

[stark bobcat]

this world does not exist

[junior ore]

i said HYPOTHETICAL

we're just exploring the idea

[stark bobcat]

doesnt matter we are talking about the real world

[junior ore]

we're talking about the idea

I'm asking for criticism on my idea

[shadow minnow]

We had a far right party ruling in our region for a while because no one wanted to take away their rights to make a decision.
However their decisions were taking away rights of all minorities.
They were racist but no one with enough power stood up to them because of their power

[stark bobcat]

yeah the idea executed in the real world

[junior ore]

whaat other issues does it have?

[stark bobcat]

lmk when that channel exists

[shadow minnow]

It’s the issue with where vote of majority starts taking away rights of minority and oppressing them. There are ways to try to prevent it too or try to

[junior ore]

i get that artorias but to move on in the conversation, after having already discussed the major issue, lets explore if there are other potential issues.

[stark bobcat]

I'd rather not

[junior ore]

thats fine and dandy then.

now we have to actually make the votes matter lol

[wheat plume]

America: Lets use a plug design that can shock the fuck out of any user if they accidently touch a prong while plugging it in

🤦‍♀️

[junior ore]

wouldn't that be anywhere if you shove a metal thing into any power socket?

[wheat plume]

not if the ground prong gets in first

[ashen spindle]

I'm not sure what you expect when they made the design in pre ww1 era, AI driven prongs that are as secure as possible?

[vocal cipher]

what would you use this for? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvC_IZCCpWs

[reef patrol]

I literally don't see the point.

[wheat plume]

dafuq is this socket???

[ashen spindle]

lower production cost maybe since you only make one panel instead of curved and flat

but if its not cheaper I dont see a point either

[frozen ingot]

its almost impossible to get zapped accidentally with eu/schuko plugs, you'd kinda have to go out of your way to intentionally make it happen

[wheat plume]

^

[junior ore]

ah. we should do that.

[junior ore]

the left one or the right one?

[wheat plume]

left LOL

[junior ore]

what brand and what device and how old is it?

[wheat plume]

its on the wall of a hotel in italy ... im watching electroBOOM's video and hes never seen this socket before either

[reef patrol]

Could be anything. A proprietary connector for basically anything.

[vocal cipher]

can be a lock for electricity or internet, I don't know

[junior ore]

in a normal room or a straff room?

[wheat plume]

normal room

[junior ore]

oh! it could indeed be a lock for the phone line

like that it required to be plugged in to work*

[vocal cipher]

and probably there is no socket there, just the cover

it doesn't look like there is anything behind

[junior ore]

nah there's a contact in there

could be an audio-line, maybe.

like possibly for a buzzer or sumthin for the door or the service desk

[vocal cipher]

put a fork in it

[junior ore]

lol

[misty saffron]

bell socket?

[vocal cipher]

we would be sure if it's electric line or not

[wheat plume]

So....

How to clean out this

[ashen spindle]

lick it

[tropic nacelle]

For those who game and do design work?

Curves impact how the image is displayed so for design it's not ideal but for gaming it is better.

Still think it's too big overall though and low resolution for size

[wheat plume]

Should I hold down the power button to discharge the capacitors?

It's plugged out ofc

[reef patrol]

Blow hard on it, grab a hair dryer on the cold setting.

Ask someone who has a bike repair shop or something and use their bike compressor to clean

[wheat plume]

As soon as I start doing this mons goijg off on a list of shut I need to do before I start this .-.
I've already started this

Why'd you have to ask this now and not the hours already gone???

[junior ore]

Get a new paint brush from walmart or any store to do light dusting. much cheaper. you can get hard or soft bristles depending on how aggressive the dust is on the cables.

[wheat plume]

Can't pull out the PSU
The front panel USB cable is in the way

[junior ore]

you can also get compressed air but thats for stuff you can't reach or get into like inside the PSU

[tropic nacelle]

Is it not just dust??

Use compressed air or a air blower thing, simple.

[junior ore]

aye.

make sure computer is off and unplugged.

also its okaya nd safe to unplugg the cables and move them too

[ashen spindle]

or just use a feather duster or w/e they are called like you'd to with any other dust

[junior ore]

but yeah get a paint brush to easily dust the surface

eeeehhh feather duster is annoying

and can snag onto corners and edges

[tropic nacelle]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dusters-CompuCleaner-Xpert-Electric-Duster/dp/B01G1Z0RF0/ref=sxin_19_pa_sp_phone_search_thematic_sspa?content-id=amzn1.sym.3c0a6502-db94-4258-bb44-ded6e8bedaff%3Aamzn1.sym.3c0a6502-db94-4258-bb44-ded6e8bedaff&crid=1HZDQAL9W17X5&cv_ct_cx=compress+air+pc&keywords=compress+air+pc&pd_rd_i=B01G1Z0RF0&pd_rd_r=eb9f5fb8-ec97-4612-9f5c-00b09d086924&pd_rd_w=9Oi7f&pd_rd_wg=3Ismi&pf_rd_p=3c0a6502-db94-4258-bb44-ded6e8bedaff&pf_rd_r=T29NSVY419TS04H6ACMB&qid=1661702734&sprefix=compress+air+%2Caps%2C95&sr=1-1-b75715df-0cbd-4312-a971-de5362256967-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExU08wNUNVTVdYN0pLJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMTk2MDYyMUE5UUtEM0lCUjA0TSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNTk1Mzg3M0ZTREwxTTBFQjNGVSZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX3Bob25lX3NlYXJjaF90aGVtYXRpYyZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=

[junior ore]

nah don't get that

[ashen spindle]

yeah but its something you're likely to have around already

[tropic nacelle]

I got one of those like a decade ago for £30 and it's worked flawlessly everytime for a clean out

[junior ore]

yeah those are better long terma dn such if you use a ton

[ashen spindle]

and the big dust on the ground I just clean out whenever I vacuum the room anyway

[junior ore]

but like. I don't know if lahnah is doing a one thing or not

[reef patrol]

Grab the dang hairdryer and get to work 😄

[tropic nacelle]

True depends how often, I used it for work as well so it was worth the job, if it was just personal I'd still probably just for the hassle it saves.

[junior ore]

if it has a non-heat setting*

this is the duster I use at work : https://www.amazon.com/Metro-Datavac-Safe-Electric-Duster/dp/B00U01YVYK/ref=sr_1_20?crid=5YKMKM9XLMDZ&keywords=air+compressor+duster&qid=1661702871&sprefix=air+compressor+duste%2Caps%2C76&sr=8-20

every day

[tropic nacelle]

Brush would work fine though

[reef patrol]

Yes - We already covered that earlier.

[junior ore]

just re-stating because its possible for someone to miss that detail

anyways @wheat plume can alsop just get one of these too

[reef patrol]

Ugh... do you even care about the ozone layer?

[final flame]

just don't use a air compressor

[reef patrol]

As long as you fit a moisture filter, they're arguably the BEST thing to use.

[junior ore]

I don't use the cans. but someone that needs it once is different story. it's not going to go away and already made.

I recommend having the soft white brush tips as well as one or two of the more coarser "harder" brushes.

[reef patrol]

Pedantry alert: You'll want brushes with hairs that are ESD safe.

[junior ore]

and one of these for the harder to get off kinds of stuff

[junior ore]

this is truth. though I wouldn't know which exact brushes those are. thankfully no issues yet.

[reef patrol]

You can just include "esd safe" in searches. It's generally a non-issue. But technically ESD can kill components et cetera.

[junior ore]

aye, they can

@wheat plume any questions or anything?

@reef patrol can you imagine the IT world if shag carpets were still popular and everywhere?

[reef patrol]

I don't have to - I have long hair. I zap myself on anything and everything every day.

[junior ore]

oh no >.>

[reef patrol]

I will literally flick at metal doors at supermarkets cause if I just grab the handles with my hand, it's probably going to give me a tiny jolt 😄

[junior ore]

I went through a few days goign through that during winter when I wanted to keep me jacket on

[frozen ingot]

this shit everywhere during winter

and long hair is only bearable during that season imo

[empty wren]

Winter is coming

[frozen ingot]

6 months of rain, cold and darkness to look forward to

[pale sigil]

So, lesson learned.

Dont get ADATA if you want warranty.

months later still no response despite multiple emails.

2TB nvma 13 months old....

[shadow minnow]

Well that isn’t legal

24 months

They need to cover

[pale sigil]

Nono you dont get me

they just wont respond

[shadow minnow]

Which isn’t legal

[pale sigil]

they aren't denying it

I know

[reef patrol]

Why are you contacting the manufacturer?

[stark bobcat]

in the eu you d get store warrenty for 2 years

[pale sigil]

UK the store does not deal with your item after 1 year

[reef patrol]

So much for those EU warranties.

[pale sigil]

manufacture warranty

[stark bobcat]

he isnt in the eu

[reef patrol]

I am referring to a conversation from earlier today. I do in fact know what brexit is 😛

[pale sigil]

Different countries have their own laws alongside 2 years warranty

We follow law for 2 year manufacture warranty, just not store.

[stark bobcat]

I missed that one ig

[pale sigil]

Pretty sure EU law is not 2 year store warranty.

But manufacture

[stark bobcat]

pretty sure it is

[reef patrol]

You don't contact manufacturers at all in the EU

[pale sigil]

bs

[reef patrol]

That's the sellers problem.

[pale sigil]

The sellers are allowed to forward you to the manufacture after 1 year for repairs and if the manufacture cannot do anything the store has to refund.

It was like this when we were in the EU

[shadow minnow]

Never had to contact manufacturer

[reef patrol]

No it wasn't.

[pale sigil]

We have discussed this before.

[shadow minnow]

Even 22 months

[reef patrol]

The EU law is pretty damn clear on this topic. 😄

[shadow minnow]

Well uk just adopted it differently I suppose

[reef patrol]

They couldn't - They could offer ADDITIONAL protections but never offer less than EU standard.

[pale sigil]

We did not adopt it differently

[shadow minnow]

Well they also never had free education somehow

And now they don’t even like human rights

[ashen spindle]

I mean idk enough to say if they are allowed to forward it or not I just know I never had to contact anyone but seller for any warranty issue I ever had

[reef patrol]

To quote the fucking EU and how the UK warranty used to work pre-brexit by LAW 😛

*My new phone doesn't work. Who do I contact, the trader or the manufacturer?

That depends on which product guarantee you want to use - the legal guarantee or the commercial guarantee. The legal guarantee is binding on the trader. It is valid for two years and covers products bought anywhere in the EU.

The trader or manufacturer may also give you (or sell you) an additional commercial guarantee, whose terms and conditions are explained in your contract. The terms of the manufacturer's commercial guarantee could give you more advantages than the legal guarantee. A commercial guarantee does not replace your two-year legal guarantee. If you are given a one-year commercial guarantee when you buy a product, you can still use the two-year legal guarantee to claim redress from the trader after more than a year, but still within two years of purchase.*

Any seller who told you otherwise were ignorant or lying

[pale sigil]

This sit he loophole, most stores can ask you to go to a manufacturer to diagnose the issue.

[reef patrol]

No - Again. EU law is clear.

[pale sigil]

Argos for example made me go to Oculus and create a ticket.

Back with my CV1

[reef patrol]

The SELLER can ask to send it to the manufacturer for repairs. Not your problem.

[pale sigil]

No, they made me do it after 1 year, before 1 year they instantly took it from me.

[reef patrol]

Then they lied to you. 😛

[pale sigil]

multiple stores did this

[reef patrol]

I can only repeat myself here 😄

[frozen ingot]

only time I've contacted the manufacturer is when they're also selling the product directly