🔌│tech

[misty saffron]

so nothing changes

and even on Apple TV via a subscription model that would include an ad supported tier in exchange for a cheaper monthly fee, Gurman predicts.

pretty cool

The iPhone maker has been testing search ads in maps already, which could show up with places to eat, for example, when you search in the app.

uhhh… okay?

raising search results when you haven’t decided where you’d eat

disgusting practice of absolute disrespect

i don’t understand how you can compare any of this to what xiaomi does

with their push notifications of clickbait fake news

[cursive summit]

Personalization isn't something we asked for, you know

[misty saffron]

what makes you think they’d be personalized?

[cursive summit]

If anything it's getting more and more concerning with all the data being collected

[misty saffron]

if anything, apple has shown they are completely against that

[cursive summit]

Giving you "food advice" is very likely personalization based on your history

Okay Lana, that was linked like 10 mins ago

[wheat plume]

Oh

[misty saffron]

are you implying serving ads based on the search query is personalization

[cursive summit]

Where'd you read that the ads are based on the search query

[misty saffron]

i don’t need to read anything to say something common sense

[ashen spindle]

because if I look up burger king and the ad is ikea it wouldnt make much sense

[misty saffron]

relevant and personalized advertising are very different things

you are just talking out of your ass, completely disregarding what apple has previously done

[tropic nacelle]

To be fair Xiaomi EU/UK is like no ads in the OS and their phones are incredible value.

If you import from China and run stock China or had a dodgy vendor put their crap on then you get all the ads and stuff.

You pay the apple tax to avoid all these little adverts, I'm sure a lot of people wont be happy especially since they aren't cheap !

[wheat plume]

Yeh
Had many Xiaomi phone
Can confirm

[misty saffron]

in what clown reality will apple want to personalize ads after, for example, adding tracking prevention into safari and making it a selling point?

[empty wren]

Maybe they will in time, there are good ways to use ad personalization

[misty saffron]

if they’d want a significant fraction of their user base to hate them

sure

[empty wren]

Fair point, but a lot seems to be changing on iOS is why I say that

[misty saffron]

i’m not seeing anything that would suggest they’d want to profile you

ads in maps, books, podcasts and tv is something i’m not sure why they hadn’t done before

[tropic nacelle]

Because they wanted you to use the apps to get you hooked into the ecosystem and get more usage data to build up profiles.

Then you sell ads, classic tactic

[misty saffron]

refer to this

what’s funny is ads in the app store have been a thing for ages

i can assure you i don’t want private photo vault

[empty wren]

[empty wren]

Apple would probably only use that themselves

[misty saffron]

it will most likely work exactly the same way in other apps

1 relevant ad nobody in their right mind really cares about

[empty wren]

Those can be ignored

They are basically everywhere in

Search engines

[misty saffron]

they are ignored by everyone who’s not on the internet for the first time

making a big deal out of it is dumb

sensationalism, i guess

[empty wren]

Media is stupid as well

[solar hinge]

i've been building my own pc since like 2002 and on my last build i just rammed the ram into it's slot and now one of the clips has magically disappeared 😄 it literally shot out of the motherboard into somewhere in my room 😄

[stark bobcat]

Dafuq

[reef patrol]

Me but with the GPU slot clip. I keep putting it back in and it flies out every time I do something. So... it's.... somewhere. Don't need it anymore though since riser.

[junior ore]

lol was the DIMM slot have a faulty clip or did you forget to position them open before inserting the slot?

[deft marlin]

Pretty unrelated but Microsoft did implement ARM into Surface devices so I’m saying they shouldn’t have dropped that APU

[astral haven]

Arm just doesn't have any high speed cores to the speed that x86 has
It's just not what anyone designs the cores for...

And I don't mean high bandwidth, I mean actual high speed serial calculation

[ashen spindle]

do you mean the arm surfaces were so shit they should have not dropped the x86 apu?

just making sure I get your point

[astral haven]

That's not my point, but comparing the two is kinda missing the point

[ashen spindle]

sorry that was towards echow not you

[junior ore]

oh man those things were so terrible @_@ WINDOWS RT AAAAAAAA

[crimson wigeon]

Why not make computors that have both kinds of CPUs pepeg

Oh wait they already do, but the ARM cores are locked to doing "security"

[reef patrol]

Bringing back to co-processor 😄

[junior ore]

lol so long as it doesn't become the mess tha is having 8 CPUs

[ashen spindle]

if they get the interconnect to be good enough it wont be a mess

[astral haven]

Imo they were fine tbh
You just need to think of it more like an ipad than a windows PC
You get the battery life and lte of a tablet, and you sacrifice speed and extra work

[astral haven]

Everything is coprocessors these days they are just built on to the soc

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/sid-seixeiro-tim-and-sid-hockey-nhl-the-joke-gif-18435131

[astral haven]

Saying dumb stuff then later pretending it's a joke doesn't make it any less dumb...

[reef patrol]

No you geniunely missed the joke.

You just took it way too serious and missed the point entirely.

[astral haven]

You say now

[shadow minnow]

Thy shall not argue with the duck

[astral haven]

Point is everything is coprocessors already
The last holdout is amd, and they have been building up their io for maximum coprocessor compatibility and slowly bringing it down the stack

[reef patrol]

Point is everything is coprocessors already

And that was never something I commented on.

It was a dumb, silly joke about how we used to literally add processors to help do math our main processor couldn't really handle. Not entirely dissimilar to how adding a separate ARM processor could merge the two.

Again - 100% not serious.

[astral haven]

That's literally what I replied to

[reef patrol]

I was talking to NGH. So I don't know why you butted in 😛

[astral haven]

Because you are making a mistake based on limited understanding

[reef patrol]

No.

You are taking a dumb joke serious and you keep doubling down to prove a point no one argued.

Let me put it in other terms.

who asked, ratio, didn't read.

[astral haven]

This is literally how modern processors are built
It's not something that went away

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-good-god-gif-21598719

[shadow minnow]

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/us-copyright-office-rules-ai-art-cant-be-copyrighted-180979808/

[reef patrol]

Yeah I pointed out their argument the other day - And also that it was US specific.

Though this does beg the question - If authorship has to be "human", does that mean artwork made by animals also doesn't count? (I know there's been some lawsuits over royalty fees over this previously - I seem to vaguely remember a selfie by a monkey?)

[astral haven]

Yes
And the ruling was that the monkey was the only one who could claim ownership but couldn't because it wasn't a human

[shadow minnow]

Such discrimination

Give parrot poem writers equal rights

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-bird-soul-gif-21844036

[astral haven]

Fraid you'll have to get the law changed then

[shadow minnow]

Well it’s good to change laws sometimes as society progresses

[solar hinge]

So on this motherboard, the top has like the clip you have move 'out' and then the ram clicks in, the bottom is 'static and you have to put the ram stick in there first. But my issue was, the bottom side wasn't actually lined up and I was shoving it not in correctly

[astral haven]

🤷 yep
But I'm not so sure about this one
Seems rather frivolous lel

[thick elk]

I think a case could still be made if the input required by the person is sufficiently complex for the resulting ai art to be copyrightable

[shadow minnow]

^

• tbh I think creators of the algorithm should have some rights over it tbh

[astral haven]

Copyright is pretty strict

[shadow minnow]

Like if you make the entire algorithm it’s kinda your work not just ai since you made the ai

[astral haven]

Sort of but no

[ashen spindle]

then you get into the argument that whoever makes the hammer has a right on the sculpture made with it

[frozen ingot]

what if I identify as a sentient artificial lifeform

[shadow minnow]

Well if you use the hammer only for your use

It’s not the same

[astral haven]

Copyright is extremely strict about what can be copyrighted

[junior ore]

I find it funny that this time my autism allowed me to recognize the duck's joke but someone else didn't catch it.

[thick elk]

I was mostly talking about for example an ai that generates an image based on words, if the idea you input into the ai is copyrightable on its own wouldn't the output also.

[junior ore]

usually I fail at catching jokes

[thick elk]

wouldn't the ai just be a tool at that point

[shadow minnow]

The law is pretty flawed too, some things can be copyrighted to extend it shouldn’t be possible, with some it’s opposite

[astral haven]

And you can copyright the algorithm itself
But not the result

[shadow minnow]

And well then the way YouTube handles copyright claims is also great

[shadow minnow]

But if you also provide input imo if there is enough input you should get credit

[astral haven]

Not how it works

[shadow minnow]

If you make a movie script and someone makes a movie from it some credit goes to you

[junior ore]

if you allow it

also youtube is the worst at handling copyright. in the way that it actually breaks the law.

namely : removing the right of fair use.

and allowing false claim abuse.

[empty wren]

Some full length movies are on there

[junior ore]

aye, and thats not youtube's fault.

but some movies are public domain or allowed to be there

[thick elk]

The thing you have to take into account is that 2 - 3 words typically given as an imput generally wouldn't be enough.
Another thing could be an ai that is not very generalized or uses a very specific hand picked dataset, in that case something could be said for the coder setting things up creating creative works with his ai as a tool.

[reef patrol]

Is life even worth living if you can't find Minions The Rise of Gru 2022 HDCAM x264-LetsGo on Youtube and a few am radio stations.

[junior ore]

exactly. A derivative has to be transformative enough in meaning or functionality or such

There used to be a time you could get software programs and games VIA radio broadcastors transmitting on the radio in binary.

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/older-meme-checks-out-gif-14849207

[empty wren]

Misinput

[reef patrol]

[junior ore]

it's thanks to VHS players and recorders we have any rights to ownership of any digital/analog media

[frozen ingot]

I kinda miss actually recording stuff

[astral haven]

I mean they probably would still do this if radio had enough bandwidth lel

[reef patrol]

Fun fact: In Denmark it is still technically illegal to make backups of DVD movies, because they have "some kind" of encryption. Even though it was broken and made public over a decade ago 😄

[junior ore]

drummed up a big ole court law regarding copyrights back then

[junior ore]

nah. big illegal. and maybe illegal in other ways like flooding the airwaves or some such I assume. (I'm not expert) but yeah that'd be a crapload of binary lol
They were transmitting kilobytes at most IIRC.

[astral haven]

They would be allowed to do it for their own content

[frozen ingot]

afaik its still legal to make backups of any copyrighted media you happen to own here

[empty wren]

Just ask a buddy technically you did not make it for yourself

[astral haven]

And open source freeware

[junior ore]

aye, if it were those*

[frozen ingot]

back in the day the law was so lax it included sharing with other family members and even friends

so naturally, people just passed around pirated copies like wildfire

[junior ore]

thats still true nightman. you are still allowed to make backups and even share amongst friends. The illegality comes in distribution as in selling. like. selling on the street corners and market and such

[astral haven]

Yea and in the us it's legal to make your own backups, but there's a limit to the number of people who may see it
Technically a home theater with like 20? (Don't remember the number) seats isn't legal

Even if you are playing original content

[junior ore]

MIckey Mouse is about to be public domain in 2 years roughly. Who wants to bet Disney pulls yet another bullshit of our laws?

[empty wren]

Hold up

So all this time that blue warning or red was wrong

[junior ore]

They are correct in terms of it being illegal to distribute as in selling copies.

[frozen ingot]

sharing copies online wasn't legally protected in the early days of file sharing here either so legally there was nothing the justice system could do about torrenting and the likes, naturally hollywood/riaa etc weren't too happy about that

[junior ore]

also do you remember those "don't copy this CD" ad that was at the beginning of various CD movies and DvDs way back?

[empty wren]

Oh

[astral haven]

No, selling, or selling the ability to watch it is still illegal too

But you can't even show it for free to a large crowd

[empty wren]

Yeah school got sued by Disney

[astral haven]

Education is specifically cut out of copyright

[junior ore]

which was illegal of disney to do that

We have FAIR USE rights

[astral haven]

No

School isnt fair use
It's specifically exempt from the copyright law itself

[junior ore]

oooohhh

the clever bastards

BTW remember this in movies? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FtE0S-IyY0

[empty wren]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/06/media/disney-bob-iger-emerson-school/index.html

Nothing educational about a school fundraiser

[frozen ingot]

the whole pirate bay ordeal here brought on some reforms in how copyright protection was enforced

[junior ore]

THEY STOLE THE MUSIC FOR THIS ANTI-PIRACY AD

AND THEY PUT IT ON MILLIONS OF MOVIES FOR YEARS

[astral haven]

They didn't even steal it
They paid someone to make a copy of it
Which is even worse imo

[junior ore]

it's still theft in the end. because it took years for the artist to get any of the money

[astral haven]

Yup

[junior ore]

and someone in a high position was commiting fraud because it was a massive fuckup

also : the company still has to take liability even if they hired someone by contract or whoever that did the crime. It just means that they then go after them in court to recover the damages.

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-5-7600x-engineering-sample-shows-up-on-a-chinese-black-market

[astral haven]

The person who brought them forwards was the person who made it for them lel

[junior ore]

so sealed his own coffin. nice.

I thought they simply didn't pay the guy and tried ot gas light him into thinking it was made under public domain

[astral haven]

Yea but the person who actually did the copying came forwards

They were a professor and the people asked them to make a copy "for a small noncommercial project"

[mild dome]

Don't you know? When it comes to big business, billionaires, and powerful politicians their rules are as follows:

• Rules are for Thee, not for ME!

[violet mesa]

how to fix bad spacebar and backspace noise fr

[fickle ore]

@marsh glade Hope U didnt buy g502 lol, they released g502x now

[marsh glade]

What's the x stand for? expensive? 😛

[fair gull]

xploiting customers

[deft marlin]

its like Pro X Superlight, supposed to be lighter

and they actually released that?

logitech website says nothing, but I do see a retail price on some websites

[deft marlin]

G502 alternatives which are lighter - Roccat Kone XP (still 100g), Glorious Model I (lightest, 79g), Razer Basilisk Ultimate/V3 (wireless/wired but with newer features)

[marsh glade]

I'm not convinced that lighter is better tbh

[deft marlin]

well

it does lower the pain levels using the mouse with an injury

wrist injury*

and, its easier to carry around in a laptop bag since you have less weight and typically a smaller build/therefore size

G502 has a stiff rubber cable whereas Model I has a paracord, which is tons more flexible

so the G502 can appear to be heavier than it really is

only reason I still use somewhat heavy mice (Logitech G Pro Hero weighing in at 85g) is because I play games with a DPI of 1200 and default sens

CS:GO pros using 2160 DPI also settle for heavier mice but still smaller builds, like the G403 Hero or G703 Lightspeed since it gives them better control at that setting

sorry for spam mansen

I'll let you work Akbar, have a good day

[tropic nacelle]

I find lighter mice way better in terms of fatigue and not triggering my rsi and my own nerve problems in my arm.

Not sure how much difference it makes for some one with a healthy arm though!

[fluid gazelle]

I had a healthy arm, used a razer deathadder (105g) for two years, got wrist issues.. bought a viper v2 pro.. feels alot better

Viper is like half the weight at 58g

[marsh glade]

Haha no worries, I appreciate the info!
Perhaps I should put more stock into the idea of lighter = better, I'm just nervous that the super light versions make big compromises in build quality or otherwise for the sake of a couple grams

[deft marlin]

Superlight users -

although I did break mine by accidentally booting my laptop bag, sensor "died" on me by overshooting a lot. That said the lightest mice so far are also built the most durable - Finalmouse is a great example of expensive but exquisite and actually valuable in a given sense; the body of the mouse is a magnesium alloy shell

the Zaunkoenig M2K isn't vinyl on cardboard, its carbon fiber :p the G-wolves HSK is industry-standard plastic construction

only problem would be that you would hate to spill coffee on it when its in operation

since many superlight mice have holes in their construction

oh loard i'm walling again

[tropic nacelle]

Depends what mouse you go for to be honest, there are bad mice and there are good mice.

Logitech g pro is light but has quality issues with switches.

Grip type is the key factor for any mouse, it doesn't matter how good technically it is if it doesn't suite your grip and hand size as it just won't be practical.

I just picked up a fantech aria xd7 and the quality is solid, it's not falling apart and feels good along with being a good shape for me (like the razer orichi) .

I hear good things about endgame gear but they are being ridiculed for taking so long releasing their xm2r wireless mouse when it has been plagued with delays it seems everyone and their dog has now come out with a similar mouse and released before them xD

[marsh glade]

Really what I need to do is go to a local electronics store and sample a dozen different combinations of mouse weights and shapes

Since to your point, grip is important but I have no idea what suits me best haha

[tropic nacelle]

If that's an option for you then yes definitely do it, at the very least you can see what type of mouse shape you prefer.

Next best thing is have a shop that has a good returns policy, shortlist a few based on online research and then return the ones you don't like... Amazon is good for this 🙂

[marsh glade]

As someone who is intimately familiar with the costs associated with "free returns" I won't willingly abuse that for other businesses 😂

[tropic nacelle]

Sometimes you gotta do it though, at least in the UK it's why you had rights to always return as you have the right to inspect it as you would in a shop which makes sense.

https://www.eloshapes.com/

Nifty site for comparing mouse dimensions.

You need to work out your grip type to help though, what's your current mouse and why you looking to change? Did it break?

Also this picture explains grip types quite well
https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/efi2vu/advanced_grip_style_explanation

[fair gull]

even has the g100s

chad site

carpal stabilized claw

thats the supposed grip name i use

[marsh glade]

Current mouse is a Razer Naga Trinity, and it needs replacing because the buttons struggle to stay pressed in when holding down the mouse button. I took it apart to clean it, but that didn't help it unfortunately

Can't click and drag because it ends up clicking fifty times while moving across my screen 😦

Apparently I rock the Pincer Claw Grip

[deft marlin]

if you have the time buy 10 mice and RMA the ones that you don’t like to use, ofc separately

A game you should test out for FPS aim accuracy is Quake multiplayer, if you play that stuff

usually grip matters most in FPS, over long periods of time. And for those with a dynamic grip the shape of the mouse is important to determine how quickly you can morph into another with each flick

[deft marlin]

Some light suggestions - Fantech Aria XD7 (kudos to Hickz), Endgame Xm1r (wired but worth it), Xtrfy M4/M42/Mz1 (and their respective wireless models), Pulsar Xlite range or X2 series, Roccat Kone Pro/Pro Air, ASUS TUF M4 Air/ROG Keris (second one has hotswap main switches, first is same weight as Finalmouse starlight medium but larger), Glorious Model mice (O over D)

oh, and G-Wolves Hati mice; for a cheap price (€65 on Amazon DE) you ought to try out the G-wolves Skoll mini SKS

[tropic nacelle]

There is also another contender the lamzu atlantis which looks very similar shape to Endgame Xm1r and but wireless and updated.

Xd7, Atlantis and x2 mice are all just recently released with more stock due in the next few weeks so depends if waiting is an option and if those mice suite the fit/need/want 🙂

[cursive summit]

https://www.servethehome.com/nvidia-orin-brings-arm-and-ampere-to-the-edge-at-hot-chips-34/

Orin is cool, supposedly next gen Switch SoC

[pale sigil]

Nice... Logitech sent me a new G703, didn't even ask for my current one back o.0

[shadow minnow]

My g703 hero no 1 got double clicks after 22 months

No 2 started having sth in it moving around after like 4

But out of warranty now

Tbf doesn’t usually bother me

[empty wren]

Replace the micro switches later with parts from another company

Kalih or TTC those actually are made for mice

[pale sigil]

you have 24 months warranty

why did you not rma then

skrub

[shadow minnow]

Yes the first one was replaced

[pale sigil]

but also its easy to self repair

[shadow minnow]

But second one only got the issue like 26 after

[pale sigil]

i just didn;t want to since it was less than a year old

[shadow minnow]

I did

The second one I got as replacement

But yeah I’ll try replacing switches if I get double clicks now that warranty is over

[pale sigil]

i have switches spare

as i ws going to self repair my g403

[wheat plume]

This is funny :")
https://youtu.be/tDacjrSCeq4

[shadow minnow]

Automatic share recommendations are pretty nice. I dm someone on discord, airdrop sth to my phone, go to files, click on share and person I just dmed is always there without me having to select discord then dms then who

[cursive summit]

@pale sigil

https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/24/23319570/plex-security-breach-exposes-usernames-emails-passwords

I know you use Plex I think

Idk who else here uses it

[reef patrol]

[cursive summit]

According to employees passwords were hashed and salted but not encrypted

So Verge is lying

[tropic nacelle]

I use plex.
"Although there is no sign that the encrypted passwords were exposed,"

Nice verge as usual.

[cursive summit]

Yeah

Better to use a random password, 2FA

[tropic nacelle]

They sent out an email early this morning with a full explanation so that's pretty good, the passwords are salt hashed but no disclosure of hash method but I would hope it's not md5 or sha1 :).

Just a good example of using seperate passwords per account makes it much simpler when a breach happens as you need to just change one at least

[cursive summit]

SHA-512 intensifies

Dunno if they'll disclose what they hashed with

[tropic nacelle]

Its not a good idea to say but it would have been nice to say we don't use the hash methods that are very outdated and mostly useless haha

[cursive summit]

So far nothing I see that indicates they are not borderline plaintext

Just a "don't worry passwords were salted and peppered"

But yeah Plex getting breached isn't a good thing

[pale sigil]

i saw :/

but tbf

i use rando gen

[cursive summit]

Good

I like firefox for suggesting me random passwords

[tropic nacelle]

I mean they are active on Reddit responding about it and sent a com out to everyone within 24 hours.

They have stated they are salted and hashed so unless they flat out lie it's not that bad.

Breaches are inevitable especially when so big, what's good is that they didn't sit on this information they actually got it out so people can rightfully sort their passwords out.

Never nice but this is the best way to handle it. My own experience of data breaches are not fun to deal with in a mass panic trying to identify how it happened and what was impacted which can easily take a day itself!

[cursive summit]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EvCFDqEioyk

Ah yes, the YouTuber that gets 90% of his shit wrong

Then deletes his videos like he never said that

Says that Zen 4 VCache is 30% faster than Zen 4

[ashen spindle]

so if thats the case

why link the video lol

[cursive summit]

Soz, 30%

[ashen spindle]

we know he knows basically nothing

[cursive summit]

He is supposedly an ex-engineer

Dunno if anyone was able to verify that

[tropic nacelle]

I really dislike that guy, like I don't say it often but even their voice just grates me.

He's full of shit, I am more informed as I have family involved in the industry he has zero clue.

[cursive summit]

He might know something

[ashen spindle]

but that doesnt change that you yourself said he has a record of being wrong so why care about him lol

[tropic nacelle]

A broken clock is right twice a day type thing he ks

[cursive summit]

With a guy like him, he's big enough to get actual leaks sent to him

[ashen spindle]

no lol

[cursive summit]

And honestly I want Zen 4 VCache to perform really well

[tropic nacelle]

Yeah if you don't link him and give him air time then the channel would die and we would have less of his pointless drivel.

He's like the clickbaity verge in tech xD

[cursive summit]

So 30% perf boost for me sounds copium, but I hope it's true

[ashen spindle]

people who would be able to leak info know other info so they'd see the posted bullshit before lol

also 30% sounds absolutely normal since it doesnt mention performance in what, could be 30% in specINT and thats 15% games or w/e

[stark bobcat]

It's so annoying I watch a lot of tech YouTube and I keep seeing him recommended to me even tho I keep clicking "not interested in this channel"

Like sure adoredtv was funny at the time I'm done with that

[cursive summit]

RedGamingTech

[ashen spindle]

rgt omegalul

[tropic nacelle]

It's not copium, it's not far fetched at all.

Depending on workload you can already see this with zen 3 Vs zen3d it's just the same thing again, cache is king and will be optimised even more.

Zen3d was just a prototype that was developed well, zen4 3d is designed for it and will scale better for this change.

[ashen spindle]

more like ReadTwitterandputitintovideo Tech

[cursive summit]

I don't really see an universal 30% improvement

In some tasks sure

[ashen spindle]

it wont be since plenty of usecases will have 0% gain from it

[cursive summit]

Zen 4 Vcache is shaping to be good though

[ashen spindle]

so 30% in the primary usecases for it can be real though

[stark bobcat]

Did you guys watch the video I am asking because I will not

[ashen spindle]

hell no

[tropic nacelle]

No I can't stand the guy, he's not actually well informed and conveying real information he just makes it up half the time and then I hate his voice xD.

If he was actually well informed and not making it up then maybe I would power through but he offers no content

[stark bobcat]

Absolutely tbh I kinda feel guilty for watching adoredtv when he still made videos it seems more of his ilk have emerged. I genuinely thought some of what he said was interesting at the time but most of his "leaks" were also wrong

[tropic nacelle]

At least for me his voice wasn't annoying, I would watch some of his videos but yeah most of his stuff was also wrong, this guy is just significantly worse haha

[cursive summit]

I hate MLiD cause he tries so hard to be relevant

He can't report on tech for shit

So he tried leaking games

[stark bobcat]

I mean he was never wrong about nvidia having great marketing. I am now seeing people on r/buildapc say "I need an Nvidia gpu because my monitor is gsync compatible" this shit worked so well

[cursive summit]

God of War reveal I think he tried leaking

[stark bobcat]

It's so dirty

[cursive summit]

He said it was meant be announced during the winter TGA's

Which was completely wrong

So yeah that's just "claim to be relevant" MLiD for you

[tropic nacelle]

Oh Nvidia marketing is a whole other thing.

They are better than apple at marketing it's insane.

Launch 2000 series with massively inflated price, people still buy it but "complain" and now you launch the 3000 series at a slightly lower price and they think it's the second coming of Christ thanking Nvidia for being so generous yet they cannot see that ITS STILL many hundreds of pounds more expensive than it should have been xD

[stark bobcat]

He seems to be getting a lot of views and I have even seen videocardz cite him it makes me sad

Imagine if amd merged with Nvidia back in the day with jensen as the ceo those would have been dark times

[tropic nacelle]

The fanboyism really does my nut in.
You see Nvidia users defending any anti competitive play as if they are doing them a favour or go "my Nvidia card broke prematurely so ill buy another Nvidia card!"

So deluded they don't even entertain the notion of an alternative, people seem fickle .

Gone are the days of buying the GPU at the time that performs best for the games you play at the price point you are happy with.

The old line of "AMD HAS BAD DRIVERS" is all you will see on Nvidia forums when they haven't used an AMD card since ATI xD.

It's fine to prefer company X over Y if they at least are similar, if you always go with X regardless of Y being better you are just being stupid.

[frozen ingot]

they still have wonky drivers

[stark bobcat]

Tbh I already miss having cuda in my pc but I bought amd simply because I plan on using linux

[tropic nacelle]

Personally had more issues with Nvidia cards than AMD it's laughable

[stark bobcat]

Depends stable amd branch works great 20.8.1 is ass

[frozen ingot]

technically so have I but I've also owned a lot more nvidia cards

[stark bobcat]

Right after I installed 20.8.1 I suddenly had issues

I'll stick to stable releases

[frozen ingot]

haven't really had any issues with drivers and software when the actual hardware is in working order though, can't quite say the same for radeon

[stark bobcat]

Tbh Nvidia only offers stable branch so that is unsurprising

My last amd card before this was a 270x and tbh I get why people wouldn't want to buy amd those drivers were legit ass. Catalyst was assssssss

[frozen ingot]

and I'd rather take the gamble on bad hardware that can be exchanged on warranty than bad drivers that I would have to hope AMD fixes

[stark bobcat]

Adrenaline is much better still prefer Nvidia control pannel somehow

[stark bobcat]

Wha? AMDs drivers work now

[tropic nacelle]

Fx5300 or something Nvidia -> ATI 9700 pro -> 8800GTS -> 9800gtx ->gtx460 (Fermi ha!) -> 4850 -> 7950 -> 390x -> Vega 64 (the mining machine!) -> 3080.

Pretty sure I also had a 1070 at some point between.

Both have had issues it's not flawless but for just gaming my amd cards have been better.
The major thing I found and it seems to be common is that more recent AMD designs are very sensitive to bad memory overclocks so you will have a "stable" system with Nvidia card but it's memory clock is actually erroring it just isn't causing a crash in games whereas the AMD cards tend to be easily triggered and going to an actual clock that passes memtest works fine.

[stark bobcat]

And fun fact I also had one issue with Nvidia drivers

[tropic nacelle]

I can't believe Nvidia CP is STILL unchanged from like xp days

[stark bobcat]

It works

[astral haven]

Unless you are literally any person I have ever recommended an amd build to

[crimson wigeon]

Because it's not really something you'd use every day, more like once to set everything up then never again until hardware changes or something

[tropic nacelle]

All this money and they cannot afford to redesign it......

amd is run on a shoestring budget in comparison and competing on many fronts and can manage it

[astral haven]

I have spent so much time with people troubleshooting and drivers

[stark bobcat]

Hmmm I haven't had issues so far ON STABLE

[astral haven]

My laptop is still fucked up from installing amd drivers on it for an egpu

[stark bobcat]

optional never works

[frozen ingot]

I still hear so much complaints about their drivers/software, for some it may very well work just fine

[astral haven]

Yea I'm not brave enough to try non whql amd drivers lmao

Nvidia drivers for end users are insanely fantastic
You literally just run windows update and you'll never notice anything

[tropic nacelle]

That maybe true for some but that is also true for AMD.

[frozen ingot]

nvidia still a safer pick, I couldn't really care about brand loyalty, they just have a track record of making the more reliable option

[stark bobcat]

I have also encountered driver issues on Nvidia one being persistent vr stutter for a looong ass time another dual screen related(it has never been fixed)

[astral haven]

It's very much not

[tropic nacelle]

I had broken VR on oculus headset for almost a year or so with Nvidia drivers xD

[astral haven]

The last time I tried that my windows install turned into a bluescreen loop

[tropic nacelle]

What system setup is that though? We won't all have identical experiences.

It's wrong to say Nvidia is always perfect and works, it's also wrong to say AMD always works and is perfect

[astral haven]

1900x and fury nano system
Regardless of if it was Radeon or chipset team, it was amd's fault

[frozen ingot]

if there's one thing I hate doing these days its digging around for troubleshooting and fixes

[astral haven]

True
But Nvidia I would say has about .01% complete failure rates and about 1% annoying issue rate
With radeon it's 1% and 10%

[frozen ingot]

to my experience probably 8 out of 10 times or more I've had problems with nvidia graphics its been a hardware related issue

[stark bobcat]

Back in the day AMD drivers were legit unusable for many things it's a ton better now

[tropic nacelle]

But those are made up stats.
I could equally say the opposite...

[nimble canopy]

on a windows vm i had working amd drivers until windows updated them then the drivers crashed and next restart of the vm the drivers where gone

[fair gull]

as i fix pcs professionally... i had most driver related issues with radeon graphics and even intels igpu drivers

nvidia drivers never really had issues except performance if not updated

[astral haven]

Yes but my job is to fix software issues...

[stark bobcat]

9.5/10 times I've had issues with graphics cards it was software related

[tropic nacelle]

Right?

I don't see how that makes you authoritative on stats like that.

I run the IT department of my work and have to fix machines as well, we had bigger issues with Nvidia it's why we dropped them.

[stark bobcat]

One time I helped a friend who's gpu wasn't secure in the slot so I guess that was hardware related but again not me so 🤷

[tropic nacelle]

Maybe you meant in your experience not as a complete factual stat?

[astral haven]

Yes

That's why I said "I would say"

[stark bobcat]

From my experience AMD cards make me a better GAMER

[tropic nacelle]

That doesn't read as your own that sounds as if you are in the know rather than pulling stats from anecdotes.

At least to me 🙂

"in my experience" or something would be clearer but anyway xD.

Still both have issues and bugs, you can see it from all the recent Nvidia and AMD driver notes and bug reports.

Software is complicated and many won't have issues but the some that do will be vocal (rightly so)

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️
I have looked up statistics in the past
And I would say about 10:1 drivers issues people have with dgpus drivers are amd to Nvidia
And Nvidia has at least 10x the install base...

But that's just from looking up issues online

[tropic nacelle]

If you have a 1% issue on amd and only 0.1% on Nvidia but have 10x as many users it's the same no?

[stark bobcat]

This is big cope but I have this nice placebo going on where my brain is like AMD cards have less input lag you play better now even tho its not true lol

[astral haven]

No

If there are 10x as many users having 1/10 the issues
That's a defect rate of 1/100

[tropic nacelle]

But you still have a total amount having problems

When your sample size is smaller the data is skewed even more to be fair.

[astral haven]

If I deploy 1000 computers
About 1 is going to have an issue with Nvidia
And about 100 are going to have an issue with amd over the course of 10 years

[astral haven]

The sample size is issues posted on the internet
It's pretty big

[stark bobcat]

Tbh I am willing to believe more people on AMD have problems all the issues I ever had with Nvidia drivers were relatively minor and frankly just inconveniences while on amd it always seems a bit more involved

[tropic nacelle]

But if you are gathering that 1% fail in a sample of 100 Vs 0.1% of your sample of 1000 of the other than it's not a valid extrapolation

[astral haven]

Yes but it's 10s of thousands of users out of 10s of millions

Vs 100s of thousands of users out of millions

[tropic nacelle]

You were saying from your experience though do you really deal with millions? I've misunderstood

[astral haven]

This

[cursive summit]

I got called an nvidia shill for saying rx 5700 drivers are shit

Even though the GPU consistently crashes on me

[stark bobcat]

Weren't they?

[cursive summit]

They are

[stark bobcat]

Lmfao

They still are lmfao maybe it's a Hardware issue

[astral haven]

Personally I've dealt with more amd issues than Nvidia ones for users I've recommended computers
And I've recommended and installed hundreds of Nvidia computers and 3 Radeon ones

[tropic nacelle]

They were bad at launch definitely .

It's not bad now though, you should check your PSU isn't bad and is on seperate pcie cables also worth checking memory clock for ram

[astral haven]

Because the online stats match my personal experience I've limited myself to recommending amd only when nescessary

[stark bobcat]

For casual users with no troubleshooting experience I always recommend Nvidia

Less work for me

[astral haven]

I have an outright dead 780ti (that I bought from eBay with water damage) that works better than the rx 470 that I helped someone install lmao

That was a while ago ofc but it was sad

[frozen ingot]

I've just used computers for so long am sick of having to troubleshoot and just want shit to work

[tropic nacelle]

How does it work better when it's dead? 470 is solid xD.

[stark bobcat]

Tbh I know people with polaris (only 5xx) and they all seem fine

[astral haven]

To be fair only half of the memory is dead

So if you open too much stuff or try to watch a video it artifacts to death
The rx 470 didn't even finish installing drivers before it went stripey artifacty

[tropic nacelle]

Your sample size is tiny to extrapolate that then but there is no problem with siding with that just 3v hundreds is a massive difference haha.

[astral haven]

Yes but also search for issues on Google and compare to the install base

[astral haven]

This is where these and the numbers I say come from

[stark bobcat]

Dafuq???? Artefacting that fast is kinda weird was it doa or what?

[tropic nacelle]

People with issues are going to be more vocal and when you have a higher sales it means it's less noticeable to be fair

[stark bobcat]

I'd just do a rma if my card artefacted that fast

[tropic nacelle]

If it's artifacting it's busted and needs replacing as a defect not a driver issue really

Maybe lost track but thought we were on about drivers haha

[astral haven]

The reason my amd numbers aren't the stats I say is because of the Monty hall problem so my personal stats are skewed in amds favor

[astral haven]

Nope it was a known issue

[stark bobcat]

U have a sauce I could read?

[astral haven]

You can't boot rx400 series on a number of Sandy bridge systems
And the ones that do boot have trouble installing drivers

Once the drivers are installed it works fine

[stark bobcat]

Is it present on 400s only or 500s too?

[astral haven]

P sure it was fixed for 500

Or people just aren't using Sandy bridge any more lmao

[stark bobcat]

Well I mean intels new card need resizable bar to be functional which also disqualifies quite a lot of older systems

[tropic nacelle]

I know many who had 2500ks with Polaris without issue, can't say I've seen that issue but if you encountered it and it was a known thing they should have replaced it as it was a fault no??

[astral haven]

It was an issue for OEM Dell and HP systems

[tropic nacelle]

Dell, say no more then.

[stark bobcat]

I still have my old 2500k system maybe I should test this

[astral haven]

It only happened on natively bios motherboards

Uefi motherboards work fine

Which is how I think this got past qc

[tropic nacelle]

Were there even native uefi boards for sandy bridge?

[astral haven]

A few

[stark bobcat]

So it's a hardware flaw then? Amd does tend to spew out some poop every once in a while cough Radeon VII cough

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah, I have one (although it's a slightly buggy implementation)

[tropic nacelle]

I'd say that's poor on OEM side making sure their system works rather than AMD on that fact

[astral haven]

It was firmware

[stark bobcat]

I feel sorry for anyone with a Radeon 7 I even know a guy

[tropic nacelle]

Probabably pcie being out of spec or some shit so need motherboard changes.

[astral haven]

The card was reporting bios support, but it didn't support bios

Only csm and uefi

[tropic nacelle]

Why feel sorry? If they were smart they made bank 🙂

[stark bobcat]

If they just wanted to use it they didn't

[astral haven]

Polaris refresh removed bios support so it shouldn't be a problem going forward

[tropic nacelle]

Vega was such a good mining card, made quite a bit just in the spare time to cover all my PC costs for several upgrades haha

[stark bobcat]

Kinda funny my rx 6700xt makes the slight instability of my x58 system painfully obvious

Dunno why just runs nicer with Nvidia cards

[astral haven]

Oh yea Radeon drivers are fantastic for finding memory instability
Throw my fury in my system and the memory errors appear to pop up so much faster even in the same memory stress test

Can't blame amd for that tho lmao

[tropic nacelle]

Maybe memory not stable or power supply. There are many high transient spikes which have been problematic for psu, same was happening for 3000 series for Nvidia now they have high draw

[astral haven]

Yes that's not it

Known unstable system will pop up errors in the exact same stress test significantly faster with Radeon than nvidia

It's very strange

[tropic nacelle]

Yeah that's part of the problems I've seen first hand, they are WAY more prone to shitting the bed if your memory is unstable which is why it can make it seem like AMD is bad for that part but to be fair the clocks aren't stable haha

[astral haven]

Not even what I mean

[stark bobcat]

Hopefully I didn't degrade the memory lmfao

If i degraded the cpu I'll just buy a new one

[tropic nacelle]

I mean I was meant to reply to artorias about their 6700

[astral haven]

The driver itself was fine
Nothing crashed
But occt would just take alot less time to detect the error

It's like there's more memory load just by installing the AMD card

[tropic nacelle]

How odd, I would see people's ssytems fail as in bsod or halt from the faulty memory.

I would assume it's the way it's written it runs in memory different to Nvidia so is more prone to being triggered in these faulty bits

AMD in need of some sensitivity training

[astral haven]

But again that wouldn't explain my experience
Geez please read what I'm typing

[stark bobcat]

I have since put the 6700 in my main system the slightly unstable system now uses my 1070ti and it's okay when it acts up again I'll figure out exactly what the problem is

I'm pretty sure I had the voltage on the cpu too high but 🤷‍♂️

Who cares

Those are cheap nowadays

[tropic nacelle]

I can't explain what your issue is mate. I was just saying what I have seen sorry, it's just a known fact AMD drivers are very sensitive to memory instability , that was all.

[astral haven]

And youve kept saying that even after I explain how this specific situation is definetly not explained by that...

[tropic nacelle]

The issue being it shows errors in occt slower than Nvidia?

[astral haven]

No

It isn't an issue

It's a strange occurrence where errors that I know will happen will pop up in occt significantly faster (no crashing of anything involved)

[tropic nacelle]

I don't get what's strange about it taking a different amount of time for a different GPU to pop in occt sorry.

I've missed your point sorry

[astral haven]

Because it's not the GPU under test

It's the system memory

[tropic nacelle]

It would behave differently though as its not the same, you would more likely to get similar behaviour if you did it out of the OS like memtest as that removes the GPU drivers from play.

Or you are just stating fact and there is no need for me to reply and that explains it

[astral haven]

'_'

[astral haven]

Ayy you figured it out

[tropic nacelle]

It just read like a question everytime, honest.
Long day very long day xD

[astral haven]

Also if you are looking for errors with memory, don't use memtest, occt is significantly faster at finding errors
Regardless of version of memtest

[tropic nacelle]

Yeah it is faster for stability testing overall

[cursive summit]

Hickz vs Carmonben is the perfect example of how conversations should be held

Carmonben vs VonBon is a perfect example of the opposite

[frozen ingot]

Vexxic vs energize

[tropic nacelle]

What do you mean? I missed the fact they made a statement not a question a few times so made them go round and round 🤣

It's definitely not the perfect example of a conversation, maybe a perfect example of someone missing context in written form Vs speaking though haha

[cursive summit]

Quite boring

[astral haven]

Well yes but you did alot better than vonbon did
You asked about the part you were confused about eventually lel

[tropic nacelle]

I can imagine that went round and round a lot longer then xD

[astral haven]

That has happened several times...

[kindred dew]

Might be a stupid question but does amd ram work on a Intel motherboard?

[reef patrol]

No such thing.

As "AMD" RAM.

[astral haven]

Well it did exist

[cursive summit]

There is "AMD optimized" RAM

But that is likely just fast low latency memory

[astral haven]

No
And made ram

[cursive summit]

Yeah they'll work no problem

Sure, a while ago

[junior ore]

lol

[astral haven]

AMD Radeon Memoryhttps://a.co/4nRW3cI

[cursive summit]

Okay

[astral haven]

Still on Amazon lmao

[cursive summit]

Why are we talking about DDR3

[junior ore]

alls good, everyone learns something new at one point or another.
There's no AMD/Intel specific RAM. So don't worry about that. There's other important factors though.

[frozen ingot]

because its 2013

[cursive summit]

That's most likely not what the person was talking about

[frozen ingot]

you didn't know?

[astral haven]

The point is even this stuff works with intel

[junior ore]

Tyler was most likely thinking there was specific AMD/Intel hardware RAM, not "optimized" RAM

since they are new at computer building.

[cursive summit]

Iirc there's GSkill AMD edition memory sticks

[kindred dew]

Like I said it might be a stupid question lmao

[junior ore]

alls good Tyler, alls good.

it's not stupid to learn.

[cursive summit]

It's not really stupid

But yeah RAM is universal

[reef patrol]

Those were just DIMMS that were tested more thoroughly to ensure Ryzen gen1 could use them.

[cursive summit]

As long as you check compatibility with your mobo

[junior ore]

RAM is universal so long as it physically fits the motherboard, and the motherboard's BIOS supports the RAM speed, and the CPU also supports the RAM speed*

[cursive summit]

Von Bon

Show me a RAM that doesn't "physically fit the motherboard"

[reef patrol]

soDIMM

[junior ore]

literally every new type of RAM stick are not backwards compatible.

[cursive summit]

Why did you have to answer for him

[junior ore]

you can't put a DDR 4 in a DDR3 or vice versa

[astral haven]

Ibm blade ram also doesn't fit in normal motherboards

[junior ore]

there's that too.

there's shitloads of different RAM and ram types. but less so if we are talking about normal consumer grade RAM

normal modern consumer*

like. damn lets not get into EEPROM

[astral haven]

What utter monstrosities

[reef patrol]

grabs adaptor

[tropic nacelle]

Pretty sure it was either ddr2 or 3 that could physically fit in the same slot as previous gen and they realised that was a huge mistake and made sure to not repeat that in the specs for future generations xD

[stark bobcat]

To actually answer your question the thing that matters is what type of RAM it is either ddr4 or ddr5 other than that it hardly matters there are some more caveats such as ECC but you don't need to concern yourself with that. To verify if your parts will work together use https://pcpartpicker.com/

[bitter belfry]

Adapter? I hardly know her.

[kindred dew]

Alright thanks for the help guys

[junior ore]

nope. All of them physically different and all the slots have notches in them which prevents physically inserting them unless you use external tools which is just gonna set fire to the RAM if you force it in.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Desktop_DDR_Memory_Comparison.svg

they are all the same length but different notches and pin placements

maybe you could force the DDR3 backwards into a DDR1 DIMM slot? maybe?

[crimson wigeon]

Yes

Or chop it up so it fits

[junior ore]

Lol

[tropic nacelle]

I definitely remember it being a problem, this might be some clickbait at the time and I haven't realised but SODIMM ddr1 looks almost identical to ddr2. Physically slightly different but you would barely notice so people force it in and break it.

Was a very long time ago now though haha

[junior ore]

well yeah, the notch difference is barely noticeable. but that was an issue of ignorance of the person forcing it in, not of the designer.

They figure the small notch difference was enough of a deterrence for people to not fuck it up.
Which was true for anyone competent in IT.
Less so for those incompetent, or stubborn.

[tropic nacelle]

Yep definitely, it's the same reason why modular PSU OEMs realised they need to make sure the cables for GPUs don't fit in other slots and vice versa xD

[junior ore]

lol

yup yup. I've had coworkers fry shit for that reason.

[deft marlin]

Lamzu Atlantis always gets sold out

[tropic nacelle]

its only just came out though? they made their first shipments to retailers early this week if i recall correctly, depending on your region there are places like zerkgaming doing the mouse for UK and maxgaming or something for most of eu

[deft marlin]

Me in Oceania patiently staring at the “sold out” on ausmodshop

I was giving him picks that he’d be able to buy from the get go, if he digs into the mouse database he’d naturally hear of the Atlantis

[tropic nacelle]

haha yeah a lot of it sold out so far but more on the way, it definitely matters if you want to wait or not because that makes it different on the mice you can pick 🙂

[wheat plume]

ah.....the inevitable video

[cursive summit]

Looking for who cares

[cursive summit]

[reef patrol]

[cursive summit]

[ashen spindle]

I think amd outdid nvidia in revenue this quarter https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-announces-financial-results-for-second-quarter-fiscal-2023

[astral haven]

Not quite but that's damn close

[cursive summit]

Expected?

AMD's doing well financially

Can only go up from here on out

They do need to branch out though to new areas, don't you think?

[ashen spindle]

oh right looked at the wrong number but damn that close

[astral haven]

If the global economy doesn't fall off a cliff that is lel

[ashen spindle]

whats that, like .2 more for nvidia right?

[astral haven]

That is what they are doing

[astral haven]

That's still 200 million dollars and only for this quarter

[cursive summit]

You lads got any idea on how good old pal GlobalFoundries is doing?

[astral haven]

Perfectly fine

[cursive summit]

Wonder if they'll ever return to self fabbing

[astral haven]

??

They cant

[ashen spindle]

well yeah its a lot of money, but Y/Y is up 3% for nvdia vs 70% lol

[cursive summit]

I mean, sure they can't copy TSMC's process

[astral haven]

Glofo has given up on bleeding edge

To catch back up would be a multi billion dollar investment

[ashen spindle]

glofo makes more money than if they had continued to compete unless they came out ahead massively

[astral haven]

Well
They make more profit

They would make more money at the bleeding edge
But they also would lose more money

[ashen spindle]

true

well, with how supply constraint asml and co are, I wonder if that would still be true or if it would just have fucked over all of them if they had continued lol

not like we have spare EUV machines around

[astral haven]

Well they had euv machines lel...

They just figured they would make more money by selling them

[ashen spindle]

euv scalping

[astral haven]

I wonder, did they sell the entire facility or just the machines?

Glofo: "We remain fully sold out in 2022 and 2023, and we are increasingly confident that we can deliver the long-term business model..."

[ashen spindle]

I would imagine some mix of it, so the machines but probably keep part of the room to just use for something else since those are not the difficult to source parts and I dont recall seeing anything about them selling off more than equipment

[cursive summit]

Isn't GloFo's top end node 12 nm or so?

Who would be their partners I wonder

[astral haven]

Approximately

[astral haven]

Their biggest node rn is 28nm iirc

[ashen spindle]

qualcom, amd, samsumg, broadcom, automobile

[astral haven]

Any silicon fab is literally just a money printer

Feed it silicon, water, and copper and you have yourself money

[ashen spindle]

and its harder to make counterfeits of

[astral haven]

Intel in the 70s and 80s would disagree

[ashen spindle]

yeah but for current ones

if you find some chicago gangs making 7nm wafers in downton slums I'll eat a broom

[astral haven]

Eh
China is working on that

[wheat plume]

Windows, please PLEASE copy Linux and let use resize and move windows with the keyboard and mouse

on Linux, you can hold down the windows key and then hold left mouse and you can move the window around the screen

If you hold down windows key and right mouse, you can resize the window
I love it <3

[astral haven]

And once you hit an arrow key (to pick a side or corner) you can use your mouse

Linux users: windows come on add this feature
Windows : already has the feature

Windows users: Linux add this feature
Linux users: you can add the feature using this package

Doesn't work
Linux users: well you don't actually need that feature

[wheat plume]

alt space brings up the PowerToys launcher for me xd

I love that launcher <3 its like Krunner but far less good, but its ok for what I use it for

[astral haven]

Right click on the title bar and click move then

Well move or size depending on what you want

[wheat plume]

but thats slow and if you are going to navigate your cursor onto the titlebar anyway to get to the menu then why bother?

[cursive summit]

https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/24/huawei_ceo_warning/

[astral haven]

Your fault for using the bind for something else 🤷

Also why don't you use windows+space for the search launcher?

[wheat plume]

alt space is default

I literally just install PowerToys and disable everything except PowerRename and the Launcher

[astral haven]

Why did they change that???

[wheat plume]

wait maybe it is win + space,....its been a while since I booted windows

well, installed powertoys

[wheat plume]

Android 13 be hella smooth 😍

No stutter
Constant silky 60Hz

12 had a lot of stutter

I can't imagine how damn smooth it must be on a Pixel 6 and 6 Pro

90 and 120Hz screens

[empty wren]

Still probably stutters on those

In some way

But yes refresh rates higher than 60 can hide inconsistencies

Hmm here I was thinking Android 13 was a lost caude

[wheat plume]

13 is a helluva lot better than 12

[empty wren]

Well I will probably have to expect it next year unless Asus picks up slack

Which I think they kinda did sorta

But at the time, I feel like things get more weird now with each android version

[wheat plume]

I've gotten an addiction to this song xd

[halcyon moss]

how is this the same O-o

[ashen spindle]

what do you mean, how comes its the same on windows and linux?

[halcyon moss]

no, sorry, let me rephrase.
that barely compares

[ashen spindle]

how so? you can resize the window with just the keyboard

[halcyon moss]

but is slow :p

super key and dragging a mouse around is super fast

[ashen spindle]

sure, I dont think I'd ever use it anyway, but the complaint was that windows should be able to do it in the first place

which it apparently can

[halcyon moss]

tbh, in windows you can do everything with a keyboard

[ashen spindle]

also I would guess with reg changes you can change the hotkeys or some tool does that idk

I just was curious if it exists since I didn't know so I looked it up and saw it exits already

[halcyon moss]

tell Lana!

[ashen spindle]

to google? 😛

[halcyon moss]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ashen spindle]

I just enjoy seeing the complaints that windows is too bloated yet at the same time should also do everything its missing

fills me with a bit of glee when these things happen I admit

[halcyon moss]

yeah, lana doing lana things 😉

[wheat plume]

Windows is bad at window management

[halcyon moss]

i dont think it is

[wheat plume]

If you add PowerToys auto-zones and ability to keep windows over others at all times
Then maybe

[ashen spindle]

which is from microsoft so it's functionally the same as if on linux you add some tool for window management extras to your install, is it not?

[wheat plume]

You don't need to add tools for this on Linux

[tropic nacelle]

Microsoft fancyzones is great.

Windows 11 added some basic version of it but fancyzones still better

[ashen spindle]

I sort of doubt every single linux installation has every window management feature by default

[pale sigil]

Meanwhile there's me that's at most just has one window on the left and one on the right

[wheat plume]

Yes it does
If you are using a desktop or window manager
Obviously not if you are using just a terminal output

[tropic nacelle]

I prefer windows window manager over KDE and Ubuntu, as my own experience anyway.

I just use Linux in cli more than anything now though....

[ashen spindle]

same, or one fullscreen and something on the second screen

[pale sigil]

KDE isn't remotely as smooth or productive as windows

Looks prettier though

[wheat plume]

I am tempted to go back to a window manager
But I want one I can enable rounded corners and opening and closing and resize animations

The lack of animation in WMs makes me disorientated

[tropic nacelle]

Rounded corners ? Mad lad

[wheat plume]

I love rounded corners

[tropic nacelle]

What type of radius are we talking here?

[pale sigil]

You can still have rounded corners though

[wheat plume]

Except gnome desktop only makes the top ones round -.-

Which pisses me off

That's one thing windows 11 gets right
EVERY corner is rounded

For apps anyway

[pale sigil]

Speaking of hating things

Tried the MacBook Pro the other day

[wheat plume]

Just enough for it to not be right angled

[wheat plume]

Ew
Notch on laptop

[pale sigil]

The M1 version

[tropic nacelle]

Why does the MacBook have a notch?? I can't understand the logic it's like intentionally make your product worse just to have a brand image... There is enough bezel room to have it on these items it's not a phone with slim bezels xD.

[ashen spindle]

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-ceo-jensen-huang-to-keynote-at-gtc-2022-on-september-20

likely not a full announcement as the article states but probably not far after

[stark bobcat]

U know I always disparage Bluetooth audio but my galaxy buds pro have been a life saver at the mega crowded hotel buffet

I can eat in peace without all the unwanted noises

[reef patrol]

Genuinely can't stand ANC

Like being stuck in a tunnel or rapidly ascending in a plane 😄

[ashen spindle]

the best ANC is blasting music high enough to drown out other noises

[stark bobcat]

Hmmm tbh my first "decentish" headphones were bose qc 25s I love anc

[stark bobcat]

I prefer for my hearing to age as gracefully as possible

[ashen spindle]

oh no you misunderstood I dont mean in your ears directly, but you take out your portable subwoofer and blast music into their direction so they all get really annoyed and leave

[stark bobcat]

Lmfao

I'm pretty sure that would get me thrown out of the hotel

[ashen spindle]

make the entire floor vibrate from the bass, then the security cant get to you before you finish your meal

[stark bobcat]

But you can definitely describe that as "Active noise cancelling"

[ashen spindle]

lots of noise, very active and something is definitely getting cancelled

[fair gull]

i use active noise boosting tech

[cursive summit]

ANC sucks

[halcyon moss]

you suck

[ashen spindle]

[cursive summit]

But I had the ... privilege? To try out high end Boses

They aren't trash sounding

They do sound trash for 400$ headphones

But overall it's not that bad

[halcyon moss]

i like the ANC on my sony true wireless buds
i like the ANC on my wife's bose quiet comforts

older headsets did give me the tunnel/pressure effect

but newer ones do not.

i also had some creative ANC headphones.. that anc was not great

[cursive summit]

If you need ANC, get earplugs instead

[halcyon moss]

lol

you're so narrow minded sometimes

[cursive summit]

Or just stuff a Q-tip in

I prioritize audio quality over near everything

with wear comfort being close second

As long as your stuff sounds good, idc about what else it has

[stark bobcat]

Have you considered not everyone has your preferences let alone physiology

[halcyon moss]

so you actually meant:

i do not like ANC

[cursive summit]

And somehow companies fail to make an AUDIO product SOUND good

[stark bobcat]

A lot of people have different interpretations of what good sound is

Some like tubes some don't

Some put magic rocks on their speakers some don't

Some like +20db bass some don't

[ashen spindle]

and not every moment is in a quite home when you play youtube or game, sometimes its in a noisy area and you really need to understand what someone says over 5$ mic on zoom

[halcyon moss]

5$ mic.. hehe, often laptop buildin ones are better

[ashen spindle]

cant wait for some AI noise detection to finally be in teams directly so you can hear people or set a threshold for bad quality that just prevents them from joining a call..

same shit when listening to investor calls, questom from someone who works for some billion dollar heavy investment company and all you hear are some letters becuause only 5$ for mic were spared

[halcyon moss]

like nvidia's voice thingy

rtx voice

[ashen spindle]

ya amd has one too now

have some of that build into it so you are forced to use it and if it detects shit noise levels I can say no you cant join, would be so nice

[halcyon moss]

hehe true

[wheat plume]

Someone is trying to claim that the Steam Deck's SD card formatting bricks SD Cards

Ive seen many people do it in videos and it works fine

[ashen spindle]

who is someone

[wheat plume]

rando on youtube comments, insisting that the Samsung Evo Select card he got was bricked when he formatted it in the Deck settings

[ashen spindle]

I stopped caring after you wrote "youtube comments"

[wheat plume]

xd

I like this about Fedora, if you dont have a command, it gives you the option to install the rrequired package when you attempt to run the command you dont have

[empty wren]

Simple solution, completely erase the card on another device by deleting each partition

[wheat plume]

the commentor says that if the SD card comes formatted as EXT4 out of the box, then it will be bricked when the Steam Deck tries to format it

[empty wren]

Okay

[wheat plume]

which is odd cause im pretty sure no card is formatted as EXT4 by default

cause then the majority of people using windows cant read it on their PC

[fair gull]

yes we can

[wheat plume]

my portable HDD was formatted as exFAT out of the box though, which is great cause I was going to format it to that anyway

[fair gull]

windows literally just says format? and you say yes

done

ext4 is now ntfs or exfat

[empty wren]

Ntfs is different

[wheat plume]

well yeah, but that pop-up only happens when you mount it from inside Explorer

I think

[empty wren]

It is primarily windows only but linux can see it, and so can Samsung phones

[fair gull]

windows automounts stuff lana

we arent linux peasants

our os can do shit for us

[wheat plume]

Yeah, Linux automounts SD cards and USB drives

[wheat plume]

Still cannot make custom keybindings

or change existing ones

my favorite use of custom keybindings is playing my music playlist from youtube in the background without the need to open any apps

just press the keyboard shortcut and it plays after a few seconds and I have another shortcut to stop it playing, and I use the media keys on my mouse and keyboard to control playback and volume

[empty wren]

Peripheral software exists for that which in turn also usually is Windows only

[wheat plume]

Auto-HotKey wasnt able to make the music playback work for me ;-;

despite the command running fine when I ran it from the windows terminal

[empty wren]

Oh I meant like ghub

Or the wootility

[wheat plume]

they let you assign custom shortcuts for the OS???

[ashen spindle]

no but the effect is the same

its just done differently

[empty wren]

Yeah big gaming companies allow a ton of options

[wheat plume]

I like to rebind alt+f4 to win_shift+Q cause its easier to press on my 60%

[empty wren]

You can even record it ect

[ashen spindle]

AHK also doesnt change the os shortcuts you just use a shortcut to do what the AHK script does

[wheat plume]

yeh, but you cant make an AHK script to assign alt+f4 to another shortcut

or shut down or reboot the system

[empty wren]

Actually pretty sure you could

[wheat plume]

really?

[empty wren]

Calder shut down his computer by typing in his password once😄

[wheat plume]

🤔 dafuq

[empty wren]

The wootility has the functions for that and restart I think

[wheat plume]

hmm maybe Wootility v4

[empty wren]

Oh yeah

[wheat plume]

Dont remember the one I used having that but I may just not have looked closely

[empty wren]

Also you can change display brightness on macOS i think

[ashen spindle]

registry also can disable things and you can trigger it with something else if ahk cant intercept it for some reason

all things that are possible since XP at least

[wheat plume]

I wonder what wifi card the Deck uses, I assume it is probably Intel since they work the best on Linux

[empty wren]

So unless you can assign emojis to your keyboard keys, oem perpherial programs probably have it

[wheat plume]

Hmmm, never heard of AzureWave

AzureWave AW-CM421NF

[halcyon moss]

ubuntu does something similar, but instead of a y/n dialog it gives you the apt command.

[wheat plume]

yeah, it makes you type the command yoursel

[halcyon moss]

or you know.. copy paste

d@K ~> sl
Command 'sl' not found, but can be installed with:
sudo apt install sl

[wheat plume]

yeh xd

[halcyon moss]

i tihnk i preffer the ubuntu way more, it avoids accidentally pressing y

[wheat plume]

fedora defaulted to N as you see in my screenshot

the capital letter is the default if you ever get prompted for an answer in the terminal command

[halcyon moss]

yes, but typing the next command might cause you to insall it :p

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah, such a fancy feature think all big distros have something like it

/>0> sl
                    
The program 'sl' can be found in following packages:
  * python310-softlayer [ path: /usr/bin/sl, repository: zypp (download.opensuse.org-oss) ]
  * python38-softlayer [ path: /usr/bin/sl, repository: zypp (download.opensuse.org-oss) ]
  * python39-softlayer [ path: /usr/bin/sl, repository: zypp (download.opensuse.org-oss) ]
  * sl [ path: /usr/bin/sl, repository: zypp (download.opensuse.org-oss) ]

Try installing with:
    sudo zypper install <selected_package>

[halcyon moss]

lol, thats a lot of options for a joke command

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah I guess softlayer is a joke

This also shows the flaws of shoving everything into /usr, name conflicts can and will happen

[halcyon moss]

oh.. i see it now hehe

[wheat plume]

zypper

OpenSUSE?

[crimson wigeon]

Yes if you look real close you can see it in plain sight

[wheat plume]

oh

yeah true xd

[halcyon moss]

heh suse, one of my first distros.

[wheat plume]

I have yet to give OpenSUSE a try

I am still new to using Fedora but I really enjoy it a lot

https://youtu.be/7r83N3c2kPw

LOL

this. has become a meme on his channel

[halcyon moss]

okay

[wheat plume]

the Apple II keyboard sounds really nice

[cursive summit]

https://blog.playstation.com/2022/08/25/ps5-price-to-increase-in-select-markets-due-to-global-economic-environment-including-high-inflation-rates/

[wheat plume]

;-; my Github Co-Pilot trial ended

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah, time to pay up or become a open-source maintainer

[wheat plume]

10 dollars a month aint bad if you code pretty much everyday as a fulltime dev

or 100 dollars a year

so save 20 dollars

[latent root]

Same

[latent root]

Students get free access as well.

[wheat plume]

I'm only a student until October

How tf is my Discord cache 1.7GB on my phone ....

thankfully Android lets you clear it

[fickle ore]

Are moondrop chu's still good cheap budget option

the best, would you say?

Any other good options?

[cursive summit]

There are those planars rn

For IEMs

I frankly don't care about IEMs so I keep forgetting their name

Oh

The Dioko

Timeless and Dioko are both solid

Timeless probably more so, but that's not really budget

I did read just this morning there's a brand new 50$ planar released

[fickle ore]

I mean sure, if they're 50€

[cursive summit]

These are 50$, planar IEMs

Oh fuck me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kn8T-2lfdl4&ab_channel=crinacle%2B

Uncle Crin's ripping into Moondrop

I was hoping they were good

[astral haven]

Competition is fierce
The hd560s are insanely good for example

[astral haven]

The salnotes zero are alooot better lmao

The chu are rather unpleasant to listen to a lot of music on
I fell for the hype too :/

No

If you listen to that music, it will hurt to use the chu

If you don't, it's fine

But if you listen to cockney violin on the chu, it will sound horrible

The nice thing about iems is it bypasses ear shape

So while how natural it is depends on opinion
How much resonance it has is measureable

And the chu has resonances in the treble that are known to be earpiercing
The experiment has been ran

There are things that are subjective about sound and there are parts that are objective

The sibilance is a fact
People being able to bear them just depends on if they listen to music that trigger the sibilance

What

Yes?

[fickle ore]

I listen acoustic music mostly, a lot of violins etc, no amp'd or electrical music

[astral haven]

Sibilance is known in physics as resonance

[fickle ore]

But yeah should be subjective

[astral haven]

That's basically the opposite of the Chu's forte

Chu are very anime tuned

They sound great in electronic and fine in pop music

But they are designed for anime music, that's where they shine

Then you read the wrong reviewers

Also headphones are not iems

Yes
Which is why you need to look at objective measurements

🤷‍♂️ if you don't understand how to read graphs ok

But don't project

That is true to a certain extent

[cursive summit]

Fleimi, just saying, carmonben is why I got the NDH20s

They liked them

[astral haven]

But the closer to the eardrum the sound source is, the less personal it becomes

Pinna interaction matters alot

And that's all that changes between people

We all have the same eardrums and inner ear

That's not supported by science

The science states it's based on pinna interaction

That's why headphones sound different

The equal loudness curves for iems are identical for everyone

Sure

But I will tell you that if you listen to cockney violin on the chu using spring tips at over 85db, it will cause pain

Harman

[tropic nacelle]

What is anime music?? Like the soundtracks can be SO varied, is this really a genre??

[astral haven]

With pads that don't trap heat

[astral haven]

You know how there are the pop chords
Well there are anime chords too
They are somewhat varied in the way that American pop music is varied
There's some excursion from the mean
But that's not what I'm talking about

They don't put much content outside the vocal range either

But that's not objectively true

You may not like the amount of upper bass, but that's how the music sounds when put to the Harman curve

Harman oe not ie

[cursive summit]

That's quite literally how they are though

[astral haven]

That's what Harman is

If you don't like it, then you don't like harman

[cursive summit]

NDH 20 is not harman though

[astral haven]

At least Harman through overears

[tropic nacelle]

The Harman curve is what is likely good for most people , not all.

[cursive summit]

This is some bass heavy harman

NDH20 is incredibly bass bloated

You can barely discern the mid range

[astral haven]

Crinacle uses compensated measurements

[cursive summit]

That doesn't mean that they aren't actually bass bloated

[astral haven]

Yes but your opinion isn't objective

If you were to say "I don't recommend ndh20 because they sound bloated"
Sure 100% correct

"the ndh20 are objectively bloated"
No

But you are missing the point entirely

None of this applies to iems

Pinna interaction DOESNT HAPPEN with iems

Zero

[citation needed]

[fickle ore]

I'm with fleimi here, it's personal because brains and ears and drums do differ, as everything else.

[astral haven]

Iems aren't headphones

[astral haven]

Yea I'd love to agree
But
The science doesn't support that

[cursive summit]

There's science to personalization?

[astral haven]

If a frequency is over the threshold of pain, it will hurt regardless of person

[astral haven]

There's science to what is different between people's ears

Strawman

The input isn't the same

Pinna interaction

[fickle ore]

If you can point me to studies that say otherwise, I may change my mind but until then naaaaaaaah

[astral haven]

The science shows that the eardrum and inner ear are all the same things

The flappy but outside your ear

[fickle ore]

I very much doubt that

I mean, toes are toes but they aren't identical

[astral haven]

That's one difference

It's the difference that I have studied the most

Scary movies rely on social aspects

The human pain threshold for hearing depends on how far the flagella in your cochlea can move before they smack into the sides of your inner ear

[fickle ore]

Sure but unrelated to how x vs y iems compare

the magnitude of difference is gigantic here

[astral haven]

If x iem causes a resonance peak that passes that, it will hurt if you input sound with that frequency

It'll be fine if you don't listen to anything with that

[fickle ore]

Are you saying two identical curved iems sound subjectively the same?

[astral haven]

Sort of

They actually need to be the same
And since we can't currently accurately measure anything over 5khz (within .5db), we don't have anything that can measure iems accurately enough to state the subjective experience

And the human threshold for hearing differences in sound level is something like .1db in optimal conditions...

[fickle ore]

I would disagree, because when there is no perceivable difference, I'd imagine our perception is at weakest, and overcompensates. I would think at that point all kinds of feelings toward the shape, material, brand and such would alter the subjective hearing experience.

[astral haven]

Yep
But I'm not taking about subjective experience

People definetly prefwr different sounds

But what causes pain is the same for everyone

Yes including people with hearing damage

Tho once you have too much hearing damage that you are completely unable to perceive the frequency it won't hurt any more

(as far as I understand)

[fickle ore]

Depends whether the nerves feel pain anymore I g

[astral haven]

My understanding is that the hairs in the cochlea actually physically degrade, not the nerves themselves

[fickle ore]

"flagella in your cochlea can move before they smack into the sides of your inner ear"

Ig if it hits it would hurt if the nerves are sensitivve

[astral haven]

And they are very sensitive lel

We are capable of perceiving things as quiet as 10^-12 watts of acoustic energy

It's actually crazy to think about

That's very similar to the amount of power our cellphones receive from cell towers

Tldr of Convo
People like different things
But what hurts will hurt.

And chu in some occasions can hurt

If you mostly listen to acoustic music you may be safe? But I find it unlikely as what triggers that pain most reliably is the violins in cockney violin

[shadow minnow]

https://www.apple.com/apple-events/ Pog

[astral haven]

Wow it's a week early /s

[ashen spindle]

another iphone launch with same chip still probably and maybe some better screens such excitement

[crimson wigeon]

m3 pogchamp

[ashen spindle]

more like A16 which is just A14 version 3

[shadow minnow]

Well A15 was a huge improvement in terms of efficiency even if it was A14 v2

So much more battery life it can now beat most of other flagships again

While 12 pro/pro max were worse than 11s

[ashen spindle]

still same node though so any gains are quite limited

[shadow minnow]

Well somehow the gains were pretty big on A15 so maybe same will be with A16
Though I wish it wasn’t the same node would probably be even better ngl

[ashen spindle]

I'd say if it was made on a worse node it would not be better

[shadow minnow]

I mean

Yes

But that’s not what I meant by different

[ashen spindle]

there is no better node so you can only select a worse one

[shadow minnow]

Well I wish there was a better node

Already

[astral haven]

Don't we all

[ashen spindle]

whishing what were doesnt change what will be though

[astral haven]

Also that's not entirely true
There's no better node mature enough for apple to use
Ibm has another 5 years of nodes ready to go
It's just not mass scale ready yet

[ashen spindle]

well yeah but effectively they can't select something better currently

[shadow minnow]

Yeah unfortunately 3nm isn’t ready yet

[ashen spindle]

no N3 is ready

it just sucks

[astral haven]

Isn't that what they are gonna use tho?

[shadow minnow]

If it didn’t suck

[ashen spindle]

for what the a16? no that should still be N5

[astral haven]

Oh they are on n4

Which is basically n5 yea