🔌│tech

[astral haven]

I mean on ami or Phoenix

On pcs

How do you set a bios lock on Mac?
Oh yea you use an apple id

Smh

On windows you also can manually force your drive to be encrypted even when using a local account
It gives you a paper to print out with the recovery key lel

That way at least your data being fucked if someone steals your device is an option

[junior ore]

Step 1 is not a thing within anyone's choice but the person doing the stealing so, like. I don't get the point of ever saying it.

it's not a thing of consent either. It's an event that happens that can be beyond your control regardless fo your security or lack of security.

[kindred dew]

Is 1080p 240hz better than 1440p 144hz for competitive gaming?

[astral haven]

Depends on the type of game

[junior ore]

aye, type of game and your hardware

what GPU you pushing?

[astral haven]

And if the monitor is actually capable of displaying the frames without smearing

[kindred dew]

Fortnite, Call of duty, mostly fps games

[junior ore]

that too

sound like you'd want the 1080 then, regardless.

cause at the least its a 1080 and wont over stress your ahrdware even if you never reach 240hz or 240 FPS

[astral haven]

And 240hz at 180fps > 144hz at 144fps even without any sync on the 240hz

[kindred dew]

Well I'm building my own PC soon with a evga 3080, i9 10850k processor and I'm just curious which monitor I should buy. I know most people who play competitive use 1080p 240hz at least from what I know

[misty saffron]

you can’t do anything without knowing a user password on macs

[astral haven]

Get a 1440p240hz for that level of PC lel

[astral haven]

I have reset it without the password

[misty saffron]

you can’t on big sur and above, at the very least

[reef patrol]

"Take better care of your shit" is what it means.

[astral haven]

And I easily can

Upgrade from 1440 240 to 4k240 was v nice

I hit 3k fps at 4k

[astral haven]

I did it on monterey

Still nice

Rhythm games ofc

[misty saffron]

not sure wyd, i had to enter a user password to even open disk utility

[astral haven]

There's a series of commands to run that I found online

[junior ore]

I can't say I recommend the intel CPU but if you are dead set on it you do you. Honestly you could go with either monitor but if you want heavy competitive you want consistency in your frame rate and you don't want anything that could drop your frames. Go with the highest refresh rate and fastest response monitor you can get that isn't a $7000 CRT.

[astral haven]

It doesn't work with an apple id attached but it works juuuuust fine for our apple device resetter Mac mini

Except those who do

[junior ore]

but a 1440P will look friggin nice truth be told and I'm going to assume the 3090 can easily work with it but I don't know at what frame rates, that will depend on game and the settings.

[astral haven]

1440p240hz is getting common
Less common than 1080360 but it's still more common than anything 144hz these days for pros

[misty saffron]

so if it doesn’t work with apple id attached, who cares

[astral haven]

But it's nice to have

[misty saffron]

you’re already having fuck all security without find my

[junior ore]

didn't say that :P I was saying in my opinion it looks nice. Which you are going to have days where you wanna casual and chill and so you want some visuals instead my man.

[astral haven]

Smooth lines are pleasant to look at

Aliasing is very very obvious for me at 1080p

[misty saffron]

4k monitors are the worst thing on windows, prove me wrong

[junior ore]

aye

dude said he was going to run a 3090.

[astral haven]

I run dual 4k monitors and it works great for me in both 10 (work) and 11

[junior ore]

so honestly he's just gonna blow whatever he puts on it so long as it isn't a 4k.

[misty saffron]

if you don’t have scaling enabled sure

otherwise it’s annoying as fuck

[astral haven]

150% on main monitor, 125 on secondary

Works fine

[misty saffron]

do you like that blurry task manager

[junior ore]

I literally jsut said not to use a 4K

[astral haven]

1440p is fine sure

But 1080p is a waste

[junior ore]

I don't know fi you are actually reading.

[astral haven]

Not blurry on either 10 or 11

Nope

Less input delay is less input delau

[misty saffron]

the fact it was for me just proves my point

[astral haven]

If your monitor is faster it's faster

[junior ore]

I literally said he'll do fine so long as he doens't use a 4K and then you are saying I said he should use a 4K :V

you are factualyl wrong with what I said

yeah that shows you aren't reading lol

and are factually wrong

learn to read.

[astral haven]

If my monitor is 1440p and 6ms
And your 1080p monitor is 10ms
And my game is 300 on 1080p vs 240 fps on 1440p
The 1440p is faster

[junior ore]

so?

[astral haven]

Ok then stop trying to make a monitor recommendation lmao

[junior ore]

that doesn't change you were wrong about what you said before trying to cover it up and blame me.

[astral haven]

All monitors are more than 1ms

There is exactly 1 monitor under 1ms and that's the ViewSonic 1440hz projector

[junior ore]

give us the model or serial of your monitor, lets look it up

[astral haven]

And that's not a monitor

[junior ore]

wait yeah a projector isn't a monitor

¯_(ツ)_/¯

if you actually don't care then don't mention it.

[astral haven]

Ok then we can safely dismiss you as being incorrect about this

You did, so you should avoid giving advice

[ashen spindle]

every single monitor is 1ms because they all write it on the box and its equally false for all of them

[junior ore]

exactly as Dr.Quinn said

[junior ore]

it's all marketing advertisement Slayer

[astral haven]

It's sharp whenever it's in focus

[junior ore]

Then you are just a dishonest interlocutor that doesn't care about any of the words spoken to or from so why should anyone care what comes from your mouth, slayr?

[astral haven]

My monitor is faster than yours and it's a 4k monitor

Currently the fastest 240hz monitor is 1440p

[junior ore]

I don't think I ever said you were incorrect about that nor did anyone say otherwise nor did you say that before?

[astral haven]

Again I hit 3k fps easy

[ashen spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[astral haven]

Osu

[junior ore]

legit can you show when this was brought up before and show when you were told this was incorrect?

[astral haven]

Tetris I actually can't break 120 bc it has a 120 cap lmao

[junior ore]

no

[astral haven]

Then it wouldn't be as good?

Tetris effect is an awesome game

Beautiful, responsive, the sound is very reactive

[junior ore]

I don't thin i tried Tetris Effect yet.

[pulsar canopy]

Wouldn’t the fastest 240 hz monitor be the Samsung g8 neo

[astral haven]

I believe it's a tie between the G8 neo and the original g7

Either way not 1080p

[junior ore]

I mean, surely there would be stats and tests of the speeds of these displays and we'd know factually which are or are not fastest.

[stark bobcat]

Bru your monitor isn't 1ms at room temperature

[astral haven]

The G8 neo is 2.8ms mouse to screen
The G9 hits 2.1ms apparently nice

There's a paper about how humans can tell the difference between 1ms and .1ms in moving objects but I don't need to cite it since you have provided no proof of anything you've said either

[junior ore]

I see my blinks and notice it, if thats what you mean?

[astral haven]

Your blink is intentionally blanked out by your brain lmao
And you do notice it

[stark bobcat]

Monitor manufacturers do a bunch of trickery to get to the 1ms gtg number one of them is changing the temperature

[junior ore]

yeah like. My brain is goign to forget about it in the near future so as to not overload it, this is true. but it is noticable.

[junior ore]

a thousand times this.

which is much different than not.

[astral haven]

Just because you cant see an event that lasts less than 60ms doesn't mean you can't see every event that lasts less than 60ms
Ho long do you think lightning lasts lmao

[pulsar canopy]

Oh dam. If only Samsung monitors weren’t plagued with issues.

[astral haven]

I love my g8

[pulsar canopy]

You have it?

[astral haven]

And I got super lucky with my g7

[junior ore]

"barely" is still noticing it. It's still noticed.

[stark bobcat]

My msi monitor for my second rig advertises 1ms even tho it's a budget va pannel

It's very noticeable that it isn't

[junior ore]

lightning is faster than 3 seconds. I'm pretty sure what you see is the "after image" burned in your eyes fo the lightning strike.

like when you see a bright bulb or the sun.

[pulsar canopy]

Would you say it’s worth it? I can get it for $1049-$1149 because of $100-$200 Honeycashback + $250 student discount?

[astral haven]

"A single lightning flash is formed by a series of lightning strokes . Usually there are about four strokes per flash. An average duration of time for a stroke of lightning is about 30 microseconds"
Literally google
120 microseconds is .12ms

[astral haven]

Depends
It's definetly not worth it
But it's definetly a beautiful monitor that is unmatched

[citation needed]

[junior ore]

You guys see what I meant when i say Slary is dishonest? or a troll. "nah three seconds" lol

[astral haven]

https://www.public.asu.edu/~gbadams/lightning/lightning.html

[stark bobcat]

Dishonesty and stupidity isn't the same thing

[junior ore]

personal experience is anecdotal and not valuable evidence

[junior ore]

it's intentional : not stupidity.

[stark bobcat]

Hanlons razor

[frozen ingot]

maybe am just old and slow but my monitor is rated at 4ms and I really can't perceive any lag/delay between control input and change happening on my screen, I had my concerns about the rating when buying it but price was too good to pass up

[astral haven]

Tell that to asu they will love to hear your findings
https://www.public.asu.edu/~gbadams/lightning/lightning.html#:~:text=A single lightning �flash,lightning is about 30 microseconds.

[astral haven]

That's different things
Advertised speed is the trail behind your cursor when you move it basically
Not lag

[junior ore]

you mean occums? or is it a different one? I'm trying to say is I don't believe Slary is genuinely this stupid. I'm saying I genuinely believe he is being disingenuous based on his words and actions.

[astral haven]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor

[frozen ingot]

I just figured the rating concerned the screens response to new display data from the gfx

[astral haven]

That's all you have to criticize about that??

[frozen ingot]

either way, its all good with me

[junior ore]

yeah because I don't wanna go back to being an edgy 12 year old with a username liek Death101678 "Slayer/Slayr"

[astral haven]

Nope
A TV can have 1ms and take 60-100ms to display the content on screen

[junior ore]

(which I admit I was liek that way back)

you completely missed my point lol

you see what I mean, Artorias?

I know they aren't being stupid. This is intentional.

[astral haven]

Nah
Some people just don't get it
I've worked with folks like this before

Mostly in the c suite ofc lmao

[frozen ingot]

I see, well monitors aren't my expertise, I basically just look at panel type and inch size, resolution and hz rate

[junior ore]

well. I guess that could be it.

[frozen ingot]

and to some extent color reproduction and contrast/brightness ratio

[astral haven]

You'll probably be fine then

[junior ore]

don't be a big dumb liek me and buy some stupid ass ultra wide

be smart and buy a kickass LG square panel that i am jelly but wish it had 120hz

[frozen ingot]

I don't have the space for an ultrawide anyways, or the computer to do it justice

[junior ore]

same here honestly.

well. my GPu can run it but not for anything super intensive.

[astral haven]

Dual monitor > ultrawide imo

[frozen ingot]

got a 32" 1440p 144hz, some black friday thing for near half price

[astral haven]

Main screen with game, second screen with other things

[frozen ingot]

not the best monitor in the world, but for what I paid I really can't complain

[ashen spindle]

uw>>>>2 screens for anything immersive

[astral haven]

Nah
Just get a bigger 16:9

[frozen ingot]

I got an ancient 1050p as a second monitor

[astral haven]

Vertical real estate matters for immersion

[ashen spindle]

nah fucks with FoV

[frozen ingot]

I pretty much only put various system monitoring on there

[astral haven]

Yes ultrawide does fuck with fov lmao

[frozen ingot]

yeah I find ultrawide gets much too letterboxy, the width is nice and all but the extreme aspect ratio is glaringly noticable

[junior ore]

well, i find it find and dandy honestly in most games.

The issues comes when it's, like.

[astral haven]

With the G8 you can cut down to ultrawide without any reprocussions

[junior ore]

a not very optimized game

liek for instance 7 Days to Die

I don't have issues such as letterboxes or black spaces or anything

or much issues with user interfaces

the problems I get is mostly in the frame rate if things go below 60 because I was a big dumb in what I bought.

but honestly having a wide view looks really nice.

it's hard ot go back to 1080 accept if the framerate is too terrible.

but like. I like extra view angle.

now big issues I do come across is when there's a game that has to force a specific aspect ratio, namely RPG Maker games.

or any game that will full screen with a forced aspect ratio that is very very off, like 4:3

[astral haven]

Alt enter

[junior ore]

assuming it works with that*

[frozen ingot]

I don't really do pvp anymore so I care little about slightly lower framerates with 1440p vs 1080p

[junior ore]

RPG Maker, in some versions, i think have to mash one F5 or 4, one of the F keys.

[frozen ingot]

1440p is just so much nicer to use overall on the desktop where I still spend most my time

[junior ore]

yeee same here. Thats why i went for visuals instead. But you still want that above 60 but close to 120fps/hz because 120 is so sweet in comaprison and below 60 can be blehg.

[frozen ingot]

nobody wants lower fps but kinda depends on game how tolerable it is imo, I do try to match settings for at least 70-80 in most titles if it can't do any better

[junior ore]

aye

[kindred dew]

Did you guys build your own pc or have someone else build it for you?

[junior ore]

Built it myself.

[astral haven]

Built it myself

[frozen ingot]

yeah built it

[kindred dew]

Was it hard to build or nah? Cause I've never built one so I'm nervous to try and build mine so I'm probably gonna pay someone to do it lol

[junior ore]

I've been building and upgrading my own computr system ever since Steam was the hot new platform to get games. that fucking long ago. Just before that though when I was kid of course I bought a pre-built from someone I knew that built them but ti was my 'starter'.

how old is my account...

[astral haven]

Depends on how normal you go
If you follow a build guide like the new Linus one, it'll be easy as heck
If you buy janky hardware it won't be great
Basically watch the "last build guide you'll ever need" by linus

[frozen ingot]

iirc I built my first rig from ground up in 2006

[astral haven]

https://youtu.be/BL4DCEp7blY
It goes through everything from start to finish in an easy to follow way

The first half hour is what parts to pick and they go in more detail than you will ever need

[junior ore]

aye. if it was the 90s then youd hve concerns about accidentally static killing your components but its no longer as sensitive

[stark bobcat]

Building PC's is actually adult lego

Put thing in the slot that fits

[astral haven]

This

[frozen ingot]

its not no, I still use my esd bracelet as an extra precaution

just habit from handling electronics in general

[junior ore]

You just have to make sure the parts that you have are compatible , namely the CPU, motherboard, and the RAM. Once those three are confirmed to all work with each other, the only thing is that the Power Supply has enough wattage to power your fuck-ton of a GPU brick and all the other components. And then a big CPU case that can fit a big fuck-off video card.

after that : every part will come with manuals and instructions on how to install.

Nothing should require force or anything 'hard' to push or press. just make sure you double triple quadruple check which way the CPU is facing before placing it in the socket. and don't forget the thermal paste.

aye. I love helping people pick parts and such

[astral haven]

The video explains everything
Tho it's definetly a bit long

You'll be waiting forever
There's always new stuff lel

As with every year yes

[stark bobcat]

Only upgrade when you feel what you have is inadequate

Don't consume product

[junior ore]

aye but as this year is almost over : best to wait for the fancy stuff of this year and get i. if its good.

wait and see reviews of upcoming stuff.

[astral haven]

No but the point is you can always keep waiting

If you are happy with the performance, leave it alone
Upgrade after it annoys you

Then ignore new hardware until you stop being indifferent

[junior ore]

right and Carmonben has a valid point in that you shouldn't keep waiting because there is always a next to wait for.

[astral haven]

If you are happy to do that, do it

[junior ore]

but the current "next" is right around the corner so this is a case of best to wait since its so close.

[astral haven]

What you have is better value than buying something new

There's no way to guarantee that

[junior ore]

well if you get the thing thats coming out soon, I'm pretty sure it'll run what you have way higher than low.

I just want out of my 5700xt DX<

I want to reach better at the 144hz and plus for my dumbo monitor.

[astral haven]

They can

[stark bobcat]

Often times the ram or motherboards are the first thing to fail but maybe that has changed (GPUs too I guess but people upgrade their GPUs more often generally)

[kindred dew]

Appreciate the help guys

[astral haven]

In bad power areas psus die faster

Geez autocorrect

[stark bobcat]

Yeah I didn't consider that tbh since I live in a pretty decent area

[empty wren]

Just connect compuder to hot spring convertor port

No psu required

[junior ore]

I super recommend getting good/decent surge protectors and/or power conditioners. Or probably even better : get a UPS unit.

the conditioner might help with brown-outs or other funky power issues that isn't a black out. But a UPS system woudl def help against those type of issues and a range of others.

[astral haven]

A bad ups is not good for your psu

And online true sine wave upses are expensive asf

[junior ore]

well yeah. don't buy bad equipment.

[astral haven]

Literally every ups under $250

[tropic nacelle]

I think they just mean that a bad UPS is going to give out dodgy power which itself is bad

[astral haven]

Ah yes this is a sine wave

[crimson wigeon]

Flawless

[tropic nacelle]

Just have surge protector on your extension and make sure you buy decent PSU you don't need anything else really.

(At least not in the UK)

[astral haven]

The capacitors do

Those angles are very very sharp

And there's a huge amount of energy in them

That's it

The energy goes somewhere

Uh
The energy to fill the voids must come from somewhere

No that isn't allowed for most devices over 100w

For basically the exact same reason lmao

I don't have the time to teach the first 2 classes of college electrical engineering

It's actually pretty complicated, and the short version of the story is the electronics are designed to take sine waves and use as much of the wave as possible
The missing parts of the wave are all strain on the electronics

And if you have a PSU without pfc, your other electronics in the house will go schitzo

https://www.apc.com/us/en/faqs/FA158939/

It's related yes

https://www.electrocube.com/pages/why-capacitors-fail-technical-bulletin
Here's a page on the many ways capacitors fail

[junior ore]

like okay but I wasn't saying to go out and buy anythign crappy or bad. I wasn't specific.

also yeah I can't say I know the gritty details of electronics like I wish I knew. but I figured if there was an issue of excess electricity : that it'd be directed to a capacitor or such.

[astral haven]

Point is look up upses on Amazon and every single one with more than a few thousand reviews will be under 250

[junior ore]

also remember the days of big giant fat motherbaord capcitors melting/exploding? dem good ole days lol

I already had an assumption UPSs on amazon wouldn't be of good quality, typically.

[astral haven]

Eaton sells their pure sine wave models on amazon

They only get a few hundred reviews tho 😦

[frozen ingot]

capacitor failure still happens, tho most manufacturers have learned to use a bit higher quality spec ones

[junior ore]

yeah. but ti was extremely prolific in the late 90s/early 2000s.

or was it late 00s 🤔 around that time

especially the long green ones.

[frozen ingot]

electrolytic caps poopy

better these days, but still kinda poopy

[junior ore]

yeah

I work almost exclusively on Lenovo mini computers at work

and they have them and while they aren't dying or crapping out

Lenovo fucked up with them

on some models : they put them directly under the fan assembly and SOMETIMES they aren't soldered fully flushed with the motherboard, or maybe they 'grow" a little bit on the top but they start brushing and pushing against the one crappy CPU fan in the poor computers.

and I just wish to scream because they have plenty of the other type of capacitors that are the nice smooth clean silver ones that never have those issues lol

[astral haven]

Circuit design is hard

[junior ore]

i'm sure theres some constant war and fight between the technical team and the design team.

[astral haven]

For PCB layout? I doubt it

They probably decide on keep our zones ahead of time then work around that

[frozen ingot]

am hoping they had a good reason for placing them there, electrolytics contains fluid nescessary to do their thing and placing them in a hot and well ventilated place is a great way to dry them out and make em cease to function as quickly as possible

sometimes it can certainly be unavoidable to have them placed them in a poor operating environment

[wheat plume]

Got the Android 13 update :D

Hmmm
The nav bar is thicker
Idk how to feel about that

And we've got the sperm looking progress bar :')

[empty wren]

Finished

[tropic nacelle]

I saw someone mentioned the sperm play bar and cannot unsee, I've had it for MONTHS and never saw it as that xD.

I dislike the bigger nav bar, I want zero ...

[empty wren]

Ez with root

[tropic nacelle]

Yes but I don't want to unlock again haha, I got fed up with banking apps not working when security net changed.

I do miss my custom ROMs but I had managed to avoid it for some time of late

[empty wren]

Fair enough

Gpay stopped working for me today or yesterday, gonna have to break it again now

[tropic nacelle]

Yeah it hurt me when they brought that in as I always was rooted and on some custom ROM, it's what killed it in the end for me unfortunately.

[empty wren]

Oh you used to be able to use magisk hide

[tropic nacelle]

Does magisk still work most of the time?

[empty wren]

Gotta be more specific on what you mean instead of "most of the time"

Because magisk manager prompts me when it should

[tropic nacelle]

Well it used to be a bit of whack a mole, one week it would stop and another patched, it was done fast most of the time but didn't he join Google and scrap it in the end?

[empty wren]

He scrapped magisk hide out of conflict of interest

But we got the zygote process

And magisk deny list

Still work usually for me

This June

I honestly do not using banking apps on my phone though since I would not trust to loosely carry that around at all and sign in every time in a secure browser

[tropic nacelle]

Fair enough, I do too much on my banking apps now unfortunately

[empty wren]

Tony told my zgote does not work for his bank for exame

And fair enough

[tropic nacelle]

Yeah if I didn't use banking apps on phone id still be using custom ROMs, it's generally just a must better and more reliable experience!

[empty wren]

Mmmmm

I feel like some buildd have issues

Like I appreciate nightlies or builds every once in a while but they can be hella buggy and also android has begun to loose functionality and feels like a minimal toy

[wheat plume]

Oh
I like this feature

[junior ore]

its a terrible airflow assembly. The heatsink and fan aren't even touching. Maybe it works cause it's a 2012 i3/5 but the CPU basically sits underneath a small heatsink with some plastic on it and in the back the fan sucks in air from the bottom side, facing the motherboard, to push out the back end vents... even if there's crap underneath it blocking the air intake like capacitors Meaning it's just passively cooling the heatsink by proximity rather than directly unlike the later models. which... the M73 model still sucks ass but the models after that one are much better.

[wheat plume]

How does Whatsapp have a themed icon but Instagram and Messenger don't?! They are all Facebook's apps

Surely if they are updating one, they'd update all

Also.... Discord please

[cursive summit]

https://www.techradar.com/news/amd-ryzen-7000-mainstream-cpu-prices-might-stay-put-leaving-intel-out-on-a-limb

Reportedly GPU prices won't rise either

Good news for AMD leaning consumers

Obviously might be false news

[true quest]

lmao

[timid chasm]

so pricey

I think mine was 691 after tax and everything

and our tax is fairly cheap

[true quest]

imagine, after a year of waiting

[empty wren]

Being like mmmmm I changed my mind

[wheat plume]

Ikr...
So close together
I was very very careful when I pressed complete purchase

[stark bobcat]

If you did that by accident support would help you out for sure

Not like valve doesn't want your money

[fair gull]

im almost sure they just put u at the end of the waiting list lol

[stark bobcat]

I've seen quite a few people with similar problems and they have all been given a chance to buy again

[stark bobcat]

https://i.redd.it/aqtbow8xqej91.png

Valve does want money

[halcyon moss]

wait, lana has a deck?

[stark bobcat]

Ye

At least it's on the way I think

[shadow minnow]

Smh windows I don’t want you to remind me in 3 days

Also gotta love when I was about to unplug computer because I am leaving but updates are underway

Funnier when this happens with a laptop that’s being used for conference in middle of it too

[pale sigil]

@true quest you buying though

[wheat plume]

Not yet....
It's been purchased though

Got 55,000 points for buying it

[cursive summit]

Just disable windows update in regedit or something

[misty saffron]

more like a customer satisfaction move instead

tbh

[wheat plume]

^^

[stark bobcat]

I think it makes sense in both contexts

[wheat plume]

They are making a loss on steam deck

Hoping to get it back from the additional steam game sales

[stark bobcat]

Sauce

[wheat plume]

Try making a steam Deck for 400 euro

Gabe said it
One sec lemme search again

[stark bobcat]

He said it was painful

Which could mean thin margins

[wheat plume]

Maybe only the 64gb version doesn't make money

[shadow minnow]

Yeah, like ordering 10 PCBs with very thin traces costs 80% of 100 such PCBs

And less than 10 costs the same as 10 not counting component stuff just the pcb

[ashen spindle]

if playstation can make profit on the ps5 valve can make money on the steam deck

[deft marlin]

One has a screen another does not

[misty saffron]

i very much doubt they make a profit solely on deck sales

[deft marlin]

One is known for designing consoles for a decade or more now one is currently debuting their first

[misty saffron]

gpd’s products cost more than twice as much

[shadow minnow]

Well the screen isn’t very expensive

[misty saffron]

and aren’t much different

[shadow minnow]

Considering the quality

[deft marlin]

If it’s 60hz, and bad quality all the more to hate on the steam deck

[shadow minnow]

No I am not hating on it just saying it’s probably not expensive

[ashen spindle]

the biggest part in the BoM is likely the chip and valve can get those cheaper than gpd

[misty saffron]

not THAT much cheaper

in no reality can they get a 50% discount

[ashen spindle]

depends on the deal

[shadow minnow]

Would be nice if steam deck had an OLED version ngl even if it was like 150 more

[wheat plume]

^

Deck 2 probably will

[ashen spindle]

iirc the apu they are using is the one that was supposed to go into a surface lineup but microsoft once again dropped the ball there

[wheat plume]

Maybe not the cheapest one
They want to reach the 400 dollar goal again with 2

[ashen spindle]

so if they find a new mass buyer and depending on if they also plan to use them in the deckard they could get a pretty sweet deal

[deft marlin]

Just trying to make a point as to why bad profit

[shadow minnow]

I mean they really probably don’t profit much, probably barely anything tbh

[deft marlin]

if the Steam Deck were just a downsized PlayStation so no screen, it’d have been easier to model it for better cooling and a separate screen

well then it wouldn’t really be a handheld anymore but if profit was key at least some tech like an expandable screen might’ve been nice

like Samsung flip stuff

[deft marlin]

ARM processors in a Surface - insert little doge

ARM processors in a Mac - Gigachad

Intel processors in a Mac - Baby we built this house, of memories- take my picture now, im nonexisting

[halcyon moss]

i might consider putting in a better screen, same res, slightly bigger would be nice

[ashen spindle]

I have no clue how that relates to the AMD apu steam deck used

[pale sigil]

You want a bigger screen on the deck?

[halcyon moss]

just fill the black border a bit more

i dont want the device to get bigger

[pale sigil]

Oh so you mean less bezel

So ye bigger screen

I get ya

Would have been nice I agree

Not sure what they were thinking tbh

[halcyon moss]

some bezel is needed there, otherwise you'd obscure it with you hand etc

but it could be about 1 cm bigger

[pale sigil]

Well yes but it's a thicc boi

[stark bobcat]

Oled screen would truly be nice on the deck

The tech has come a long way

I wouldn't mind an oled monitor as my next

[wheat plume]

Oo... It's €446 without vat

Fuck you vat

[cursive summit]

Imagine there was no VAT

So, living in Cyprus

[stark bobcat]

19% vat masterrace

[wheat plume]

I still don't understand why America can't include vat in the prices it shows

[ashen spindle]

because vat is different in every state

[wheat plume]

O.o

Oh

Wtf

[misty saffron]

how much is vat in liquid

[ashen spindle]

about potato

[cursive summit]

Roughly 10 oz

[misty saffron]

gaseous?

[ashen spindle]

about 6 liters

[halcyon moss]

bullshit reason, they need to calculate it eventually.

[ashen spindle]

I mean sure I think it makes it easier to sell stuff since you see a lower price, but in the end do you want to make an annoucnement and say "our new product costs either 1,2,3,4,5 or 6 depending on where you live"

"The RTX 4080 will launch for 712,5, 713.6, 725 or 695$ depending on your local tax on day X"

I think in local stores and such it's indeed bullshit since they know what the local tax is lol

[stark bobcat]

I think it might also have an impact on the used market but that might be cope since US used prices are often sooo much cheaper than here

[ashen spindle]

hmm I could see that since the deprecated value would likely be inferred from the prices without VAT whereas here people would think about the VAT included price

[misty saffron]

depreciated

[ashen spindle]

ah, right, thanks

[ashen spindle]

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/08/ios-vpns-still-leak-traffic-more-than-2-years-later-researcher-claims/

[lethal wasp]

Skypad 3.0 XL is actually pretty legit

it's not as fast as I worried it would be

[halcyon moss]

tldr: it keeps current connections open when turning on the VPN. so only new connections go over the vpn. Normally you'd want the connection the be disconnections and reconnected over the vpn

[ashen spindle]

• apples own stuff is also not going through the vpn I think

but that could be a result from it being active before you can turn on the vpn

[tropic nacelle]

I assume that's a hard pad? I used to have a steel series ice from over a decade ago, was amazing but ANY bit of dust or dirt would end in scratching feeling and require clearing so often I lost my shit and gave up with it haha.

Wonder if this type of hard pad has somehow avoided that (if it's not glass?)

[lethal wasp]

it's textured glass, it has the same issues with grit but cloth pads become worthless if they get slightly humid or get sweat on them and if you clean a cloth pad it it's never the same as new

[tropic nacelle]

Fair enough, pros and cons! I've picked up an artisan pad recently and had no issues but too early to tell. Not too humid here either so I guess that helps!

[lethal wasp]

considering artisan pads cost the same I couldn't stomach trying out a hien just to have it inevitably slow down

[tropic nacelle]

Fair, when I looked I only saw them for around £100 and artisan was £40 so I gave it a go, makes sense of similar!

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-epyc-zen4-genoa-cpu-is-17-faster-than-zen3-milan-in-single-core-test

[shadow minnow]

When will we get laptops with subscription updates. Like all laptops made with 16gb ram, you have 8gb by default and have to subscribe to a monthly high performance unlock that allows you to use all 16gb

Also higher OC

[crimson wigeon]

Soon

[misty saffron]

higher oc on a laptop

you’re funny

[shadow minnow]

Well no one said it’s gonna last more than 10 seconds

Gotta find a way to market the high performance mode though so you get people to subscribe

Also without it the 100w battery is locked to 65w

And charging speed smaller too

Sounds like a good plan

Oh actually

Also could lock some USB ports

And refresh rate to 60

If you don’t subscribe

Oh and ram speeds

Also ssd speeds

[stark bobcat]

Intel already tried that on desktop a long time ago I think in the pentium days and it was an utter failure

[shadow minnow]

Times have changed

People are more used to subscriptions now

[vocal cipher]

if BMW does subscription-based seat heating, I don't understand why the idea of subscription-based laptop upgrade sounds inapplicable

[shadow minnow]

Yeah

[ashen spindle]

because its stupid either way and on a laptop a lot easier to circumvent

[shadow minnow]

I am not saying it’s not stupid for the consumer

[vocal cipher]

this ^

we still need to buy visa for traveling and it still feels normal for people

I think everything makes sense for people

https://in.ign.com/india/172459/news/youtuber-who-sold-farts-in-a-jar-is-now-selling-her-boob-sweat-for-500-per-jar

[ashen spindle]

#🐸│memes is the containment for that cancer please

[shadow minnow]

True

[stark bobcat]

Delet

[vocal cipher]

it's to prove my statement

[misty saffron]

wym, it’s clearly about tech

[stark bobcat]

https://youtu.be/CE0EB5bXj14

Article has probably been posted already but idk

This is awful

[misty saffron]

yes i already was angry about it here

[stark bobcat]

I'll actually do what he suggests

[stark bobcat]

Rightfully so

[junior ore]

i'm at work and can't exactly go into videos about pedophilia stuff lol what happened? medical doctor examination gone wrong and google did a report and breach of privacy or what?

[vocal cipher]

I mean every mother would have thousands of pictures of their babies and children in their phone

[final flame]

basically google created a algorithm for child abuse

[vocal cipher]

At least I know from my sisters, all their medical issues are first attended by phone and whatsapp pictures

[junior ore]

well yeah. sometimes you end up with like "babies first bath yay :D" pictures and stuff that isn't sexually driven and whatnot

So I'm guessing an AI algorithm did a false flag?

[vocal cipher]

yeah

[junior ore]

did police get involved and such?

[vocal cipher]

seems so

[stark bobcat]

Much worse google involved the police + closed all of his google related accounts which seemed to be like a shit ton

[junior ore]

oof

[stark bobcat]

So he got giga fucked

[junior ore]

yeah and impossible to fix.

[stark bobcat]

Yes

[junior ore]

maybe could be sued for it. possibly.

Hopefully.

[shadow minnow]

Probably

[junior ore]

surely the investigation of the police would turn up to indicate if it was or wasn't abuse.

[stark bobcat]

I honestly doubt it with us privacy laws

[shadow minnow]

Not because of privacy laws

[vocal cipher]

i think using google photos cloud and sharing it made the flag

[junior ore]

ALTHOUGH TO BE FAIR

[stark bobcat]

Since google can just close your accounts for 0

[shadow minnow]

More of defamation

[stark bobcat]

Doubt that is an angle

[junior ore]

if the photos were to automatically be backedup=clouded to the google servers and such, even if it was innocent pictures of family and stuff.... google can't exactly legally be hosting pictures of naked kids or such for any reason.

[stark bobcat]

Defamation requires a lot

[shadow minnow]

Well since they report you to police for sth like this that you haven’t actually done

[ashen spindle]

they did not know its a false flag so fat chance in that going through

[junior ore]

there has to be damage done, to do libel/defamation.

[stark bobcat]

Not only that

It has to be intentional

[ashen spindle]

and given lawmakers also want to push these detections through, even less likely to end up as something

[stark bobcat]

And google must have known it was wrong

Fat chance proving that

[junior ore]

big question : was the police call automated by a bot or by a human? 👀

[ashen spindle]

wouldn't matter either way

assuming the human just saw the report and followed up and didnt manually review stuff which I doubt they would do

[junior ore]

I will say google wasnt justified in the police call but honestly you can't blame google for, uh, not wanting naked kids/babies/toddlers on their servers.

[final flame]

do yall know if it was because it was built into the phone or because the phone auto uploaded it to the cloud

[stark bobcat]

I think he uploaded it to share it but idk exactly

[junior ore]

android phones and google services usually have auto-back up services and things like that.

[final flame]

because Google photos auto backup everything

[junior ore]

yeah that

[stark bobcat]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/21/technology/google-surveillance-toddler-photo.html

This is the article

[junior ore]

kay than you for non-youtube video link

oh wait paywall can't view it

[final flame]

nyt moment

try clearing cookies

[halcyon moss]

if you turn that on

[junior ore]

anyways , for a doctor, gotcha then.

[halcyon moss]

12ft.io

[final flame]

it's default on

[junior ore]

aye it typically is as soon as you link your google account

and you bet a parent that ones to document their babies life with pictures/video si going to have backups

people been doing that since Polaroid was invented and the Sony VHS camera lol

Home Video Format

[frozen ingot]

record and track massive amounts of peoples personal information and digital content and trust it all completely to a machine learning algorithm to do as it see fit with, what could possibly go wrong?

[junior ore]

remember the time they let loose one fo their learning algorithms on the social media platform?

it was the best day for 4chan

[halcyon moss]

almost every time it goes the same way

https://it.slashdot.org/story/22/08/22/227245/hyundai-uses-example-keys-for-encryption-system?utm_source=feedly1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed 🤦

[junior ore]

One thing they always forget to teach the learning algorithm is when to NOT learn FROM another individual and instead learn from their actions/words indirectly. So as to not pick up on the bigotry and such but to learn OF it and the why.

also this brings up some interesting concerns.

[marsh glade]

Distinguished ladies and gentlemen of the #🔌│tech world, I'm in need of a new mouse and I come seeking advice.

Who has some recommendations for me?

• Doesn't need to be the fastest response rate or highest DPI since I rarely do any kind of FPS gaming
• Extra buttons are super helpful but more than a few extras is a handful
• I bought my last mouse back when wireless sucked but that's probably not relevant anymore? But if it's wireless I'd want the mousepad to charge it haha

[junior ore]

about morality and such for an AI. They didn't have evolution to develop empathy and morality. They would have to develop a morality through some other way, me thinks.

[final flame]

mx master is my go to for work mice

gesture button is insanely useful

[marsh glade]

Gesture button?

[junior ore]

@marsh glade I would just get a Logitech Hero. Works well, not over priced, customizable, plenty of extra buttons without being too much. Good range of DPI and great configuration fo them. Good scroll wheel both textile based and mechanical switch for infnite fast scrolling.

[final flame]

you hold the button on the thumb pad and move the mouse in 1 of 4 cardinal directions

it does whatever action you set it to

[marsh glade]

Oh neato

[junior ore]

oh yes! It's what I have 😄 I have the MX Master 3 and it's so nice at my job.

[final flame]

I have mine set to minimize my current tab upon pulling down

[junior ore]

yee, I have mine to adjust various DPI settings.

[frozen ingot]

can't you do the same thing by holding down a button on a different logitech mouse

[junior ore]

well the thumb-pad thing is basically a button

[final flame]

not really it's because the software is different

[junior ore]

but its integrated into the hull of the mouse

[fickle ore]

@marsh glade Razer Naga Pro. Optical switches that last a long time. Good click latency. Lots of side buttons (preferrence as they provide 3 different sides).

[frozen ingot]

my point exactly, so they should just be able to add it to a regular button on their remaining lineup

but they probably haven't because lol

[junior ore]

also a side scroll wheel

[misty saffron]

logitech 🤢

[fickle ore]

No logicuck, please

[frozen ingot]

says the razer guy

[marsh glade]

Looks like the Hero refers to the sensor? And that there are quite a few different options that are priced differently

[junior ore]

not my fault if you get cheapo crappy mice

[misty saffron]

nah logitech is consistently shit quality

[junior ore]

let me find it, my bad.

[marsh glade]

This is what I've got now, I've got the 7 button config and use like 3 of them haha

[fickle ore]

Logitech is shit quality

Failing microswitches

Do not get.

[final flame]

the work mice are good

[frozen ingot]

and all my razers I've owned have scrollwheel issues

[junior ore]

I only had problems with logitech from 10+ years ago. I haven't had issues with their stuff in these two mice that I have.

[marsh glade]

Logitech used to be fantastic, but I've heard steadily worse and worse things from them over the last five/ten years

[frozen ingot]

they all have shitty issues

[final flame]

I have yet to get a failed switch on all 3 Logitech mice I've owned

[frozen ingot]

nobody makes lasting gear anymore

except wooting

[fickle ore]

Indeed, mechanical switches that double click after few months.

[frozen ingot]

[junior ore]

@marsh glade Logitech G502 mouse*

there's a wired and wireless version, your call as to which

it's been serving me well for years without any issues

[final flame]

the mx master is worth just for the gesture pad and comfort

[junior ore]

and the MX Master mouse series is super good series.

[frozen ingot]

did razer finally git gud or

[fickle ore]

Razer is really solid

[frozen ingot]

for years they used to be the plasticy garbage meme of peripherals

[marsh glade]

Don't need the new mouse right away, but it's getting to the point where if I want this current mouse to function as a usable backup in case of emergencies then I need to get around to getting a new daily driver

[fickle ore]

Optical switches last a lot longer than logitech alternatives, and currently Razer has better sensors.

[junior ore]

I always had issues with Razer stuff. typically really bad cable issues like my Huntsmen straight up died and pissed me off. Thats why ig ot wooting.

[marsh glade]

I'd like to move away from Razer on account of their garbage software

[final flame]

mx masters also have insane battery life, they last for at least a month on a single charge

[frozen ingot]

I've had razer mice lasting me anywhere from 2 months to 7 years

[marsh glade]

But it's not like the other big name brands do their software much better 😂

[marsh glade]

ooeh this is nice

[final flame]

the Logitech software for work mice is good, doesn't need to run in the bg at all

account is optional

[junior ore]

You can head over to best buy right away and get this logitech honestly. again its only 40 bucks and reviews are all good across the board, ignore haters hating on it simply for hate sake. check the reviews. and plus you can always return it for a refund or a swap.

[misty saffron]

speaking of great software

[final flame]

just to sync settings

[fickle ore]

Well, they're actually moving to Electron based software, just like you guys are, afaik.

[misty saffron]

so they’re moving to always on electron app

which is objectively worse

amazing

[junior ore]

ALSO YOU DONT NEED AN ACCOUNT TO CONFIGURE LOGITECH UNLIKE RAZER

[fickle ore]

I use mine without an account and browser config may be possible like Wooting has.

[frozen ingot]

razer software is indeed the worst

[junior ore]

i hated the razer software

also logitechs tuff works on linux

[fickle ore]

who knows, could be

[frozen ingot]

synapse makes g hub look decent

[final flame]

synapse 3 is annoying to use, convoluted ui, synapse 2 was far better

[junior ore]

also getting drivers from Razer is a pain in the ass.

als if anyone has a Huntsmen keyboard for parts, I need a cable connection and wanna fix this dang thing for sake of having a backup keyboard >.>

[frozen ingot]

I bought a new mouse couple months ago because my 70 million clicks rated switch on my sensei ten started malfunctioning after 1.5 years of use

I researched various models

[junior ore]

15 years of use is pretty damn fucking good

[frozen ingot]

they all had almost as many complaints as positive mentions

[final flame]

Corsair is the one who does the ui the best for the main 3 but their peripherals are cheap garbage

[frozen ingot]

1.5

as in year and half

[fickle ore]

you got lied lul

[junior ore]

ooohh. thats not gewd

[fickle ore]

they're nowhere near 70m.

[frozen ingot]

that's the point, its all shit man

[junior ore]

I got what I believe is a K70. its pretty solid. The main body is strong enough metal that it cut my hand when I hit my table near it lol I liked it but I wanted more tactile... the silver switches were fun.

[frozen ingot]

they don't make mice to last, or be easily servicable

[fickle ore]

Opticals >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mech for wear/tear tho

[marsh glade]

So far the Logitech MX master is high up on the list, probably won't go for the g502 since it's almost half again the price and doesn't seem like a very significant improvement

[final flame]

I have had 4 k95 platinums rma'd multiple times all had chatter within the first day

[marsh glade]

Any small businesses out there killing it in the mouse scene? Would be more than happy to throw my money their way instead of to one of the big boys

[fickle ore]

Atompalm in a few weeks. Zaunkoening. Endgamegear, etc.

[frozen ingot]

my pick fell between razer viper ultimate and g pro wireless, they both had about the same ratio of good/bad reviews

[marsh glade]

The only names I can think of are top of mind due to negative press lol

[fickle ore]

But they are performance oriented, you'd prob not like them 😄

[junior ore]

@marsh glade The Master MX isn't for gaming and I don't recall how high or low a DPI it has. What do you currently have? Also the MX doesn't have weights for the bottom where as the 502 you can configure the weight of it. The MX is meant for multi-device work stuff.

[frozen ingot]

so I got the g pro because synapse ass

[final flame]

there's not really as big a mouse scene as the custom kb scene

[fickle ore]

I'd have gone for RVU personally, and even more so for the next gen.

[junior ore]

also the MX Master is 2-3 times the price of the G502

[marsh glade]

I currently have the Razer Naga Trinity; I don't do much FPS gaming nor any MOBAs and very little in the way of RTS so it doesn't really need to be a überpowerful gaming mouse

[final flame]

then the mx master should be good, personally I use it for shooters anyways

[frozen ingot]

it was pretty close but I really loathe that damn razer app

[junior ore]

yeah which si why i'm saying go for the G502. it's 40 dollars and the MX Master is over a hundred

[final flame]

depends which model

[marsh glade]

Oh apparently I was looking at some super fancy version of the 502 haha

[final flame]

2s can be found for cheaper, only thing it lacks is USB c

[junior ore]

I have the MX Master 3 but I got it for 30 dolalrs cause it was the MAC version on clearance and it works exactly same as windows LOL

[frozen ingot]

am expecting to have to buy a new mouse again in one or two years, if it lasts longer than that I'm lowkey impressed

[fickle ore]

I'm hoping my Naga lasts like 10 yrs lol

[junior ore]

yeah they have some white version and they doubled the price for some reason

[ashen spindle]

g502 has the weight of a brick, cant recommend it at all

[fickle ore]

This. RSI inc

[junior ore]

no it doesn't? my 502 doesn't weigh a lot.

[frozen ingot]

my brother has had his g pro since 2018 and its still kicking

[junior ore]

the MX Master is a lot bigger mouse and weighs more.

[final flame]

I have been using my mx master 2s for the last 2 years and it's still good as new, the only thing I hate about the mx master is the soft touch finish

[marsh glade]

I do use my mouse all day, every day, so a very heavy one is no good

[frozen ingot]

based purely on user experience I rather like the g pro

got 7 buttons and a wheel, quite light

[final flame]

mx master is 165g
personally I don't find it fatiguing because its comfortable design

[junior ore]

the G502 weighs like 4 ounces

[frozen ingot]

battery lasts about a week on a charge

and there's an optional charge mat

[junior ore]

and the weight is adjustable

[fickle ore]

Get zaukoening m2k weighs 20g

[final flame]

mx master lasts for over a month on a charge

[frozen ingot]

this ones 80g

can't say I wish it were lighter most of the time

[marsh glade]

Looks like the basic G502 Hero is about the same weight as the Naga Trinity I currently have, so that would be fine

[junior ore]

MX Master is about almost 5 ounces

[marsh glade]

But indeed the MX master is like 25% heavier

[frozen ingot]

I really like having a wireless now ngl

I used to avoid them for years

[junior ore]

the battery is super long lasting. but it is anooying how quick it is to go into sleep mode.

[final flame]

wireless has gotten better

[frozen ingot]

I can't tell any difference to wired whatsoever

[final flame]

haven't been a issue for me, it gets out of sleep in less than a second

not really noticable

[junior ore]

yeah a quick move or click. it's just a me thing. but my windows laptop HATED it

like legit it wouldn;t work with the mouse and it would stutter and force it into sleep and awake every half second

linux though : no issues with the MX

[frozen ingot]

g pro wakes up instantly

[final flame]

maybe is a USB power saving issue

I never had issues on my desktop or laptop

[junior ore]

yeah. just for reason it was a hassal on my windows, like a settings issue or something.

[frozen ingot]

don't think I'll go back to wired again tbh, its kind of a hassle

even with one of those gimmicky bungees

[junior ore]

knowing that blue tooth mice can last as long like these MX ones : I would def go for a wireless one nowadays.

if its done well*

[marsh glade]

Looks like Endgamegear is positioned (unsurprisingly) to be geared towards high end gaming, don't quite need that level of precision or lightness
Zaunkoenig is out of my price range LOL - but cool that you can buy just the PCB, wheel and buttons
Atompalm is quite an interesting choice, but I'd want to see them knock their first product launch out of the park before buying one

I like what Atompalm is doing with their frequent updates and bringing people into the story of their development, reminds me of another tech company I know 😛

[ashen spindle]

havent looked into mice recently so I can just say I like my Roccat Burst pro, and I still think the 502 is a brick even without extra weights

[marsh glade]

How's the build quality on the Roccat Quintosh?

[stark bobcat]

502 the king of doubleclicks

[ashen spindle]

have had no issues so far, scrollwheel is solid and no signs of that making issues like on my previous mouse

[marsh glade]

Had it for a while?

[frozen ingot]

g pro hits a good gaming/desktop sweetspot with the extra buttons and relative lightness imo, not quite into sweaty competitive lightness territory though

[ashen spindle]

yeah im going to see when I got it because now I'm curious too lol

[stark bobcat]

I used to use the 502 I do not recommend unless you are into replacing your mouse switches frequently

[ashen spindle]

since march last year

[marsh glade]

That's the sweatspot I'm looking for: enough gaming accuracy for a fifthly casual but also comfortable and durable enough to use every day for years on end

[ashen spindle]

so 1 1/2 years of gaming+ home office and no problems in any way

[marsh glade]

Oh okay, long enough that structural issues would have presented if they existed

[shadow minnow]

I use my 703 hero for everything I like the shape and so it’s nice
But it tends to break sometimes

[fair gull]

mark can i recommend you

a b100

solid mouse

can kill people

and still function

[frozen ingot]

I can't speak for longterm durability yet, but it ticks the other boxes imo

[stark bobcat]

I recommend the boomslang

[frozen ingot]

might be a bit small-ish for larger handed folks

[fair gull]

https://discordjs.moe/j16329weemcm.png

can you really beat a 5eur killer

[marsh glade]

I'm not about a race to the bottom in quality haha

[astral haven]

I recommend the g305
It's a g pro wired without the wire
And no the gpro wired /g30# shell is not that small
It's generally considered a large mouse

[fair gull]

ngl the quality isnt bad

[marsh glade]

Isn't bad or isn't bad for €5? 😂

[fair gull]

idk ive had one for 7yrs

still works fine

trusty work mouse

[stark bobcat]

Personally I like to stay away from logitech these days at least for gaming

[frozen ingot]

I got g pro because more buttons, also leftie so side buttons on left side only is no dice

[fair gull]

i think the office mice of logitech are cheap cause of the sheer production volume

[astral haven]

That's the g pro wireless not the g pro

[fair gull]

https://discordjs.moe/ntwxq0lv9ik0.png

literally a few hundred k in stock at most distribs

[marsh glade]

Someone needs to let the cat out of the bag

Get rid of some of them mice

[fair gull]

na they just work

[ashen spindle]

wooting cat™

[fair gull]

maybe not for gaming

but anyone whos not gaming can be super happy with a b100

so 80% of the computer users

[marsh glade]

At any rate, thank you all for your helpful suggestions!
I'll report back once I've made a decision haha

Time to make dinner, Taco Tuesday for the win 😎

[frozen ingot]

these naming conventions are

[fair gull]

what naming conventions

[stark bobcat]

Which mouse company does optical switches other than razer btw?

[frozen ingot]

logitechs g something/number etc etc

[fair gull]

gXXX is gaming

bXXX is business

[frozen ingot]

that I know

[fair gull]

imo a good convention

better than corsairs K

what does K mean

krap?

kacke?

[astral haven]

The consumer Logitech stuff:
K is keyboard
M is mouse
Km is keyboard mouse bundle

Oh no mk

[fair gull]

but ya if u ever need to supply an office or normal user with a mouse

hand em a b100

[astral haven]

I really hated the b100s I used to sell

Might as well use the freebies we get with all our pcs

[fair gull]

i hate them aswell but they just dont break

oh no the oem mice all actually suck

[frozen ingot]

I find razers use of actual words/names more clearly distinguishable in my monke brain

[astral haven]

We had 1 where the click broke and another that lost scroll wheel out of 5

[fair gull]

one of my work stations had a lenovo mouse

held a good 2yrs or 3

broke

[astral haven]

At my previous job
My current job uses Microsoft cheapos and they last forever tho they feel like garbage

[fair gull]

oh ya the ms stuff is also good

but their new mouse and keyboard combos arent all that cheap

maybe for a single station

[frozen ingot]

whatever happened to microsofts mouse dominance

[fair gull]

but office scale way too expensive

[astral haven]

Y'all need to talk to your distributor

[frozen ingot]

I member the intellimouse era

[astral haven]

The intellimice are still good even the modern ones
They have just been outcompeted by Logitech basically

[fair gull]

id man the good wireless mkb combo they offer is damn expensive

at any scale

i can get b100s for a euro a pop or less usually

[astral haven]

Yea but the wired bundle is hella cheap

[fair gull]

for keyboards we have some cherry foil shit for a good 80cents or so

[astral haven]

Yea we get bundles so that they stay together and don't get lost in shipping

[fair gull]

well we get it shipped to our small warehouse and then we send it to the customer

so once a year big palettes with some shit comes

including thousands of ethernet cables

not that i like my job

only up side is some cheap shit sometimes

[astral haven]

We have a few dozen sites and often we are sending packages by using employees as courriers

Big cardboard boxes make it hard to get messed up

[fair gull]

ya no this is 5 people where basically i can replace everyone by now

[astral haven]

Opposite situation here
Me and my 8 colleagues are each doing the job of 3-4 people

[fair gull]

thats not opposite

thats just me x9

when i say i can replace them that means i usually do

including half an hr to 2 hrs of overtimes every few days due to workload

[astral haven]

Oh yikes

[fair gull]

ya and i get a cool 10.45 and hr

usd/eur whatever u want

[astral haven]

Ouch

[fair gull]

so im open for anyone to hire me

altho i prefer remote work

[astral haven]

Well that's not an option for our job
Gotta be in the office 3 days a week 😦

[fair gull]

ya no ideally id like to do either support desk or software engineering

maybe even community management

[astral haven]

If you come work for us, you get to do all 3 for more than min wage! tho the community is our internal knowledge base

Also yea our min wage is more than your actual wage geez I just realized

[ashen spindle]

min wage is going up here in a month or two

[fair gull]

yes

[ashen spindle]

so its going to be 12 at least

[fair gull]

but my boss said he heard next year

[cursive summit]

Our electricity cost is going up in a month or two, by like 3x

[fair gull]

so im so happy to hear how that pans out

and then he promised me 14eur an hr when min wage goes to 12

but

ngl

id be happy with 12

just i wanna do the work i was hired for

not 5 different peoples work aswell

[astral haven]

Our min wage is going up by a dollar as well

[ashen spindle]

currently its 9.6 here so some adjustment was well overdue

[astral haven]

It'll be 15 for everyone on Jan 1

[fair gull]

so

ure still getting more than me lol

[astral haven]

Oh yes

Tho do you get 1.5x overtime?

[tropic nacelle]

Rip.
Mines going up by similar amount in October then Jan should be apparently another doubling xD

[fair gull]

i dont get any overtime payment

lol

[astral haven]

That's fucked up

[cursive summit]

I had like 15 cents a few months ago

Pretty normal costs, can do mining and shit

[astral haven]

We get overtime pay thankfully

[fair gull]

what i get is 500bucks as a 13. payment for christmas

[cursive summit]

It's bordering 30 cents rn

Supposed to go up to 40 and more soon

I guess cryptominers will be on suicide watch for the next few months

Cheap GPUs incoming eh?

[tropic nacelle]

Hahaha yep mined with my old 390x , bought a whole pc with profits and a Vega GPU then a 3080 as it was like 10p a kWh!

Now it's going to be 60p

[cursive summit]

Crypto is in shambles, all coins are down, electricity costs are massive

Idk if cryptominers will dust their rigs until next year or will they sell

[ashen spindle]

crypto is in flash sale*

[cursive summit]

You ain't wrong

It's also a gamble to buy that stuff

[tropic nacelle]

I think Ethereum proof of stake finally launching soon...

[cursive summit]

Oh yeah it is

I think I read this morning that the update already rolled out

[tropic nacelle]

I only mined on the side to get free money xD, got it at decent time and sold relatively ok times as well as getting rid of my GPUs to upgrade perfectly

[cursive summit]

Oh right I didn't see people discuss this yet

[tropic nacelle]

Has it really? It was always delayed but I thought I read recently it was finally coming this year and not delayed again but didn't se it rolled out

[cursive summit]

EUR has fallen below USD

[astral haven]

We are getting "retention incentives" because so many people are quitting lel

[fair gull]

i dont get shit

[astral haven]

And it's more than 500 I'll tell you that

[fair gull]

well the 500bucks christmas money are apparently the compensation for the below average pay in my branch of speciality

[cursive summit]

Honestly EUR will recover

Let's get the recession fixed, geopolitics fixed

And it should go to 1 : 1.3 ratio, hopefully

[crimson wigeon]

Nope, we'll forever be europoors now

[tropic nacelle]

I got a £2k pretax rise to cover a £4k increase in electricity xD

[empty wren]

Every piece of land labeled as china when

[cursive summit]

After they go bankrupt soon

[fickle ore]

How would you guys use an analog wheel if Wooting made a mouse with such a feature?

[cursive summit]

We wouldn't

[frozen ingot]

what, like a mousewheel but without the tactile stepping

[crimson wigeon]

Enjoy the smoother scrolling, I guess

[fickle ore]

Idk, like, being able to control how fast it scrolls or pressing harder would result in slower/faster scroll.

[frozen ingot]

logitech already has a similar thing sorta

on some variants

toggle switch for the friction/stepping

[ashen spindle]

much easier to just handle that by scrolling and pressing alt or ctr or something

[fickle ore]

combination of keys seems cumbersome

But like is there anything you could do in games that would benefit from analog wheel?

What would you use that for?

Wud you like a wheel that has more than 24 steps?

Yea

[cursive summit]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/08/smartphone-demand-drops-for-all-but-the-most-expensive-models/?comments=1

[frozen ingot]

I was considering the G903 which has that frictionless wheel mode thqt lets it keep spinning for ages if you want to

[cursive summit]

A bit bizarre considering if anything the budget segment is the most competitive one in smartphones

[frozen ingot]

but was too heavy for my liking

[cursive summit]

High end in phones (600 and over) is just uninspiring nowadays

Same old designs

But there are a lot of cool stuff below that, so it's weird to hear there is no demand

[empty wren]

Gaming phones are cool though

[cursive summit]

ROG ones?

Or chinesium ones

I can't take ROG stuff seriously, nor the gamer aesthetic cheap plastic ones

[empty wren]

Yes

Rog

And nubia

Ect

Nubia has a legit fan in the phone

[cursive summit]

fan in the fan

[empty wren]

By the way they toned it down

[empty wren]

Fan in phone sorry

[cursive summit]

Idk nowadays there's a lot of good stuff in 300-400$ zone

[empty wren]

That you are not wrong about

[cursive summit]

With top end parts even

There really is no sense in going for high end

[empty wren]

Especially with how much of a joke googles phones have become, apple has the SE or mini, and I am sure there are other phones

[empty wren]

Battery

[cursive summit]

What about battery

[empty wren]

Rog phone has 6000mAh

[cursive summit]

200$ xiaomis ship with 5000 mAh

[empty wren]

Okay well cool

Asus got other stuff like when it top up or passthrough

[cursive summit]

You'd prolly be hard pressed nowadays to find a phone with a sub-4000 mAh battery I imagine

[empty wren]

As well high speed charging

[ashen spindle]

lower end chips are also less efficient so same battery still gets drained faster

[empty wren]

Ipawn

[ashen spindle]

better chip isnt just better in full power mode

[empty wren]

Yes

You are correct Quintosh

[cursive summit]

It also goes the other way around

[empty wren]

Some phone could last 3-3½ as a result

[cursive summit]

Look at 888 vs snap 8 gen 1

8 gen 1 had same perf for far worse efficiency

It's only what, few months ago they released 8+ gen 1 that addresses those problems

[empty wren]

Is that chip the + even good

[cursive summit]

Going high end SoC really isn't always the most power efficient option

[cursive summit]

The new + version is really good

[empty wren]

Alright then so this year is no crap show

Honestly vexxic you are right that you get more value

[cursive summit]

Well we are getting Snap 8 gen 2 in a few months

[empty wren]

I think xiamois gaming phone which like $500 does 120w charging or so

[cursive summit]

How that behaves, we'll see

Cruella

[empty wren]

Uh oh

[cursive summit]

Xiaomi offers 120W charging for 300$

[empty wren]

Yeah but look when you go do low you compromise in areas

Forget the camera

[cursive summit]

Sure, just like you should I suppose

[empty wren]

No

[cursive summit]

But for me I don't care much for AMOLED or camera

So the 230$ Poco X3 had great internals for the price

[empty wren]

Fair enough

Does make me salty Asus removed the special dac

[cursive summit]

Sony should still have one

[empty wren]

Honestly the thing that irks me is the removal of items on the high end phones, like on the low end headphone jacks still exist

[cursive summit]

Oh right

[empty wren]

I mean I do not care for it, but they had literally last year

[cursive summit]

https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/08/17/seven-years-later-apple-was-right-to-kill-off-the-35mm-headphone-jack

How to literally be wrong

Somehow we learned, that 3.5mm jack does not actually take up so much space

[empty wren]

Lol

[cursive summit]

So you can still have small bezels, thin phone, and a 3.5mm jack

[empty wren]

Yeah

[cursive summit]

1 IV being an example

Apple is just skimping on the costs

[empty wren]

Honestly bezels are fine

[cursive summit]

Cause you know, buy AirPods?

[empty wren]

Eh they are okay

[cursive summit]

They are not good

[empty wren]

But one could spend like $20 for okay wired earbuds

[cursive summit]

But that's why Apple killed off the jack

So you would get those airpods

[empty wren]

The result of that honestly is china copying apple

There are actually good airpod clones

Maybe even the airpod max clone which I think at least one has transparency mode

[cursive summit]

Why would you ever clone airpods

Like yes yes, a lot of people buy them

But they are like, not good

[empty wren]

They are fine

Most are usable

[cursive summit]

Usable isn't good

They are far too expensive for their features

Other companies proved that even Bluetooth can have a great price/perf ratio

Like AKG for example

50$ buds trump Apple's 250$ ones

[empty wren]

Skull candy

Yeah not suprised

When apple is really after margins

[cursive summit]

I really do dislike Apple with a passion

Stuffing ads now into your phones

[empty wren]

Huh what

That seems very unapplr like

[cursive summit]

Will they honour Europe's regulations I wonder and allow to opt-in into ads

[cursive summit]

https://www.gsmarena.com/newscomm-55494.php

[empty wren]

You know the weird is

The devices are so expensive

[cursive summit]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kateoflahertyuk/2022/08/15/apple-is-about-to-launch-a-bold-new-ads-strategy-leak-suggests/

[empty wren]

And so many people buy them

Adding ads feels like paying for cable

But still getting advertisements when tv was free

[cursive summit]

Xiaomi for example, sells 200$ phones for nearly no profit

And serves you ads to make up for the small margins

[empty wren]

Yeah they accessories

To make back money

[cursive summit]

But European people can literally opt-out

So no ads served

I wonder if Apple will just completely disregard that

[misty saffron]

Apple could also be planning ads in other apps including Podcasts and Books