I like the buds a lot
#🔌│tech
iron wave
I've never had luck with ear buds, they all hurt my ears.
wheat plume
These are very comfy
I forgot I'm wearing them when no audio is playing tbh
frozen ingot
very few earbuds even stays in my ear
wheat plume
These got little tips to hook it in
wheat plume
Ew
shadow minnow
Gotta love when what I get to hear when trying to fall asleep is sound of spinning Xbox one X HDD despite it having been turned of last 28 hours
Or more like 32 hours
pale sigil
astral haven
hunh
i thought the deck had 8gb of ram
neat
junior ore
oh! What are you using to get your desktop mode to look like that?
I want my deck to look the same, or at least have the widgets on the right side
amber marsh
amber marsh
Finalmouse <a:dx_eminion_laugh:993471906625884201>
best mouse
have multiple xD
ares small #420
phantom small #1711 & #11054
2x tenz pre ordered Xd
dusky aurora
ares small #420
phantom small #1711 & #11054
2x tenz pre ordered Xd
Bruh
amber marsh
bruh
dusky aurora
What’s so good about them
amber marsh
finalmouse small shape is the best shape for me
tried like 40+ mice over the last 3 years
dusky aurora
Bro my friend has a finalmouse starlight and it feels worse and cheaper than my viper v2
amber marsh
can't say that personally, never had any issues with any of mine
can give u a list of mice ive owned / compared to if u want Xd
amber marsh
i was t500 in overwatch
immortal in valorant rn
top 100 kovaaks scores
master-grandmaster in aimlabs
fickle ore
fuk 😦
limpid ruin
@dusky aurora @amber marsh Finalmouse is dope... dont know why everyone hates on them?? have multiple finalmouse and also g pro x and zowie and had many other mice in the past. Sensor is great, quality feels good and most importantly the shape fits nice
i guess people hate on them for the low availability so if you cant have one you hate?? I personally dislike the fact they are drop based. But thats because it is suuuuper expensive to manufacture and a manufacturing contract for long term production would be far to expensive
ashen spindle
except making more would lower costs since costs go down on mass orders to make them, the costly part is new tools, not using them for longer
also issues like scrollwheel being shit on multiple versions without easy fixes or something on that price ins't great
I liked my ultralight I had, till the scrollwheel gave up
limpid ruin
but there is no facility available to manufacture magnesium mice at that volume
ashen spindle
customer support was not helpful and didnt do anything
limpid ruin
the profits for the manufacturer would be far to low compared to all the easier and cheaper to make plastic mice
amber marsh
i guess people hate on them for the low availability so if you cant have one you...
couldnt agree more
neat oriole
Their marketing is extremely dumb
ashen spindle
you can still pay a higher margin so they have an incentive to make them and lower overall costs by producing more and have higher quantities
neat oriole
The QC problems are also, well, a problem
limpid ruin
and i also do not understand the point that they are to expensive.... all high end mice are to expensive in that case..... 150 euro for a plastic mouse (viper and superlight) and 190 for magnesium and lighter....
amber marsh
The QC problems are also, well, a problem
didnt had a problem on any of mine
1x ultralight 2
1x ares small
2x phantom
.. and 2x tenz coming soon
ashen spindle
yes it's not a 80% failure rate on QC but for a premium price having higher failure rates than a razer or something is not great
limpid ruin
you can still pay a higher margin so they have an incentive to make them and low...
they tried this for the poseidon back then and came out to a 250 euro mouse price to not basically go under..... not feisable
ashen spindle
I mean if they are bad at making contracts compared to like literally any other company I dont see that as a valid reason
amber marsh
the thing is
if they do it like they do, with the drops
they can be sure to always sell 100% of their stock
cuz people will buy them, cuz its limited
neat oriole
Anyways I think their marketing is trash, and also personally don’t like cheese hole mice. Although I suppose someone’s probably made perfectly cut grip tape to cover the holes.
limpid ruin
@ashen spindle i dont think you get it..... this has nothing to do with contracts. Manufacturers are EXTREMELY greedy... they just want profit margains.... the only thing that would work is to make their own production assembly
ashen spindle
or you do it like wooting and that happens anyway because people will actually buy good products, and finalmouse aren't bad overall
amber marsh
Anyways I think their marketing is trash, and also personally don’t like cheese ...
agree, marketing is trash
but the mice itself arent bad
ashen spindle
oh I know it very well, I have followed wooting since the kickstarter and they have been very transparent about those parts too
limpid ruin
for example apple had this issue when they started. now almost everything they produce is made in house so they control margain, pricing etc
limpid ruin
Anyways I think their marketing is trash, and also personally don’t like cheese ...
yes they did themselves
ashen spindle
yeah but also because they dont want them to reuse the tools for other companies so they need to pay more
apple isn't really a good comparison for that
unless its an equally shit company for anti repair and such I guess
neat oriole
Apple is the company to ruin a design so they can charge extra for a solution to their ruined design
ashen spindle
if I could just place a normal preorder or something for finalmouse and knew their customer support would care I'd definitely look at that or recommend it, but not if its hard to get for no reason and if you do have an issue you're fucked
limpid ruin
all in all the new era marketing team ruined the comany finalmouse... They used to be like Wooting until they had so many potential customers and eyes on them that they had to up-size. then some idiot marketing dude probable heard about supreme and said: "oh cool lets do that shit".
A far better solution would be a new model say every 6 months. A manufacturing contract for 3 months like they have now and people can pre-order the model and when they are produced in the production window it goes out to the customers. Somewhat like Wooting
ashen spindle
they could even do it more often than wooting since they have more cash and higher margins so I'm sure they could even place orders more often than wooting can
I like the progress they made for mice, but I would much rather them be more well rounded now
limpid ruin
I personally think that a merge of both companies would be insane.... The team and leadership and morals of Wooting. Financial stability of Finalmouse. Imagine they had like a "Pro" line and "Standard" line of products. The "Pro" Line would be with Magnesium bodies and "Standard with PCB. A magnesium Finalmouse design Case on the Wooting would be kinda nice xD
ashen spindle
in theory nice, in reality never possible heh
limpid ruin
everything is possible
ashen spindle
wooting delays board if something small with QC is wrong and finalmouse on multiple revisions had known qc issues, now the markting thing, that would never mesh xD
limpid ruin
Shroud on sentinels was impossible until it wasn't xDD
so did old finalmouse
miss the older days with that company
anyway... now i am suuuuper excited for my first Wooting Keyboard
i even ordered 2 xDD 1 AVM and 1 ARM chip
didnt know the differences so i got both cause i wanted one ASAP xDD
ashen spindle
glue them together for the 120% hidden mode
limpid ruin
hahahaaa
i never moded a keyboard before
so when the second one comes i will mod the "worst" one
incase i mess something up xD
could yous maybe explain the avr arm difference to me pls?
ashen spindle
for now, nothing, in the future arm can get more features because its a more powerfull processor
they needed the switch because they couldnt get avr chips at devent prices anymore
so till 2024 the same then arm model might get better updates, maybe higher hz or something, whatever they can make work
limpid ruin
ah ok thx
@ashen spindle i just noticed something!!!!
Calder is in the Finalmouse discord xDD
the impossible just got less impossible
shadow minnow
It still hopefully won’t happen
Rn wooting qc is rather good (but Lekker keycaps) really don’t want that to change 
ashen spindle
yeah him being there means nothing its just looking at other companies etc.
stark bobcat
the impossible just got less impossible
If I were wooting I'd consider this slander lol
Wooting is doing great and I want to see them keep growing
shadow minnow
^
Like sure finalmouse having morals of wooting would be nice
But since finalmouse is a bigger company
It would probably be the other way around and wooting would have to adapt morals of finalmouse
Rather we shall wait for wooting to grow big enough to buy finalmouse to ensure they have wooting morals
limpid ruin
i just gotta win the lottery and buy finalmouse.......
then run to Wooting and ask for help xD
would just give Wooting Finalmouse and stay as shareholder
new name -> FinalWooting
shadow minnow
Why not just wooting mouse
limpid ruin
well i meant a General Brand on top that makes mice and keyboards
not split
anyways.... my order now says Ready to Pack :))
anyone know how long from that till receiving??
reef patrol
No - Cause are not psychics who know where you live, or how fast something gets sent to you.
Suffice to say it ships early next week.
limpid ruin
ok yeah true xDD maybe Austria would have helped xD
where does Batch EU-Gamma ship from?
formal vortex
hopefully amd's lineup will have way better power efficiency
crimson wigeon
Makes sense since people say it's gonna be a cold winter! Just Nvidia helping us out!
formal vortex
my 1060 is holding out long enough, can't use it as a heater tho
will be hopefully an epic upgrade
stark bobcat
I won't be buying one anyways since I assume they will adjust prices to the € is weaker rn than it was when last gen came out and inflation is high
so I just went ahead and got a 6700xt nito+
since I am still stuck on pascal
formal vortex
same. but i want to switch to either 1440p or 4k
stark bobcat
can't really afford for crypto to go up again and to miss out on another generation of cards
formal vortex
whats the 6700xt nvidia equivalent? haven't really kept track on gpus in the last 5 years
stark bobcat
3060ti - 3070
higher resolution would be 3060ti
or did u mean price
for price it s 3060ti
formal vortex
na i meant it how you said it
stark bobcat
I am looking to switch to linux and I usually keep my cards for 4+ years so I wanted to get something with more than 8gb of vram even tho it might not matter
I will see
formal vortex
and amd has better linux support. makes sense
honestly dont care for nvidia or amd, i will buy the best card at a certain price for a resolution and be done with it
stark bobcat
ye rn the best price/perf is 6600xt in a lot of places
but I suspect prices will go down more
formal vortex
i have time, so i rather wait and see the new offerings. can still go out and buy an old gen, if thats what i need
stark bobcat
ye I chose to buy now since all my money rn is what I saved and if the € keeps tanking and inflation rising I'd rather have one now
than let my money keep becoming "worth less"
formal vortex
so how much year on year inflation do you have in your country atm?
stark bobcat
+7.9%
and since I saved that money the euro has lost like 20 cents in relation to the dollar
I suspect next gen cards will be priced accordingly
so that probably will not be an option anyway
I'm pretty sure this isn't the best decision but I'll learn as I get older tho
formal vortex
i wouldn't worry too much
cursive summit
ye rn the best price/perf is 6600xt in a lot of places
You might find it kinda weird but the RX 6900 XT is actually the best value offering
stark bobcat
yeah I don't
cursive summit
Since it's the only GPU actually on MSRP here
pale sigil
Bruh
cursive summit
Everything else, especially Nvidia stuff is on like 20% markup
cursive summit
The benchmarks are not true
ashen spindle
can you not do a lana and say what "these" are
cursive summit
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/wcj0tu/leaked_timespy_benchmarks_gefo...
This prolly
pale sigil
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/wcj0tu/leaked_timespy_benchmarks_gefo...
Thought I replied sorry
ashen spindle
ok so pretty much the same expected performance as months ago
ashen spindle
efficiency is better than ever
cursive summit
4070 +50% perf over lastgen 70 model
ashen spindle
you can have high power draw and still high efficiency
cursive summit
Such unexpected
ashen spindle
that graph is outdated since the prices changed
stark bobcat
that graph is outdated since the prices changed
it is but it s the most up to date
ashen spindle
most up to date doesnt matter if its out of date lol
stark bobcat
Nothing but AMD high end is MSRP
msrp doesnt matter all that matters is price/perf
cursive summit
What
stark bobcat
fps/$
stark bobcat
most up to date doesnt matter if its out of date lol
agree
but it didn't change that much tbh
ashen spindle
yes but if low tier card are above msrp they cant be the best perf/$ often
cursive summit
You do realize the 3070 that your chart assumes is 500$ is in reality like 700
ashen spindle
it shows 3090 for 1600 I can find them for 1200
stark bobcat
You do realize the 3070 that your chart assumes is 500$ is in reality like 700
where
pale sigil
In this day and age it's expensive to run a computer
stark bobcat
it shows 3090 for 1600 I can find them for 1200
yeah it's def very outdated for nvidia high end since price adjustments
cursive summit
From what I read this gen Nvidia is focusing on frequency improvements over architectural ones
cursive summit
Which can't bode well for the TDP
stark bobcat
From what I read this gen Nvidia is focusing on frequency improvements over arch...
sauce
ashen spindle
thats nonsense
stark bobcat
"focusing on frequency over architecture"
ashen spindle
rdna2 focused on frequency and tdp was fine
ashen spindle
we are also only starting to be in the timeframe where actual chips get used by AiB to test things out so the only benchmarks could be from nvidia directly
stark bobcat
yeah it's all up to nvidia how far they wanna push these cards
they can have amazing perf/watt if they want but they probably will not
misty saffron
any suggestions for a pc case? ordered 2 more hdds, turns out i only have 3 slots :)
so 5 slots in total
microatx preferably, gpu is long
ashen spindle
uhhh good luck
reef patrol
No clue - I'm all about no HDDs. My ATX case has room for 4 but in the back on a riser of sorts.
chrome estuary
I'm with Mansen. not to long ago I unplugged all my HDDs and swapped completely to SSDs
stark bobcat
Some more budget cases might have more hard drive cages since they use older tooling
But I'm in the same boat sooner or later I'll replace my last hard drive
ashen spindle
all m2 drives in my system is really nice I can attest to that
chrome estuary
mine's two nvme and one sata SSD
here when the Ryzen 7000 series drops, i'm going to be upgrading mobo, case, ram, and cpu.
i'm super excited for that to come around.
junior ore
I still have a 4TB HDD but I wont be buying any new ones anymore.
mild dome
Dunno if this was posted before, but it looks like the 7600x is going to outperform the 12900k in single threaded performance
An engineer used userbenchmark to test an engineering sample and now userbenchmark which has had an intel bias since forever is throwing a shitfit
https://twitter.com/Bullsh1t_buster/status/1553249030959861761?t=JVfnY9j2JNShe4GyRDMjzQ&s=19
ashen spindle
it means nothing because the benchmark is useless
stark bobcat
I just want to never see the name userbenchmark again
cursive summit
I just want to never see the name userbenchmark again
Userbenchmark
mild dome
Lotso people might not know that, it has managed to seo itself to the top of google results when doing comparisons.
Plus it's funny seeing those assholes get butt blasted about AMD winning over intel
crimson wigeon
Do people still care about userbenchmark?
stark bobcat
just get those clowns out of might sight the less they are talked about the better
cursive summit
I would want to say we don't, typically I only see UB's name when we are laughing at them
But there is way too many users still using it
junior ore
I do recall there was a website often used for benchmark and CPU comparisons
but the person running the wbesite
was extremely anti-AMD
and would purposefully fabricate results to make AMD look shit
junior ore
I wish i could remember the name but it might have been userbenchmark.
was something ongoing for years.
junior ore
me wishing I could directly remember is all I'm trying to say
I know it's userbenchmark after ya'll brought it up.
but couldn't remember of me own accord.
stark bobcat
the sad thing is that website can be genuinely useful for diagnosing problems someone might be having but the person who runs it is special
mild dome
I guarantee they get big bucks from Intel
ashen spindle
unlikely
they get enough from clickbait drama like this because people cant stop giving them attention
more drama = more clicks = more ad revenue
junior ore
Im gonna go with doctor quinn on that one
astral haven
they get enough from clickbait drama like this because people cant stop giving t...
That may be a side effect but the person who runs the site is a major moron
ashen spindle
definitely
but still knows how to do SEO correctly, so its the dangerous kind of idiots, the ones with some brain
unless thats someone else who does the dev work in the background
astral haven
And unfortunately their actual benchmark results if you ignore the horrible intentionally skewed "relative performance" metric are actually super useful
Way better for predicting game performance than 3dmark
ashen spindle
well thats not hard since 3dmark isnt really for cpu performance
they did add a cpu test last year or so I think but thats not really much
fickle ore
7700 xt when
ashen spindle
Next year
fickle ore
fucking hell
ashen spindle
Or late this year, not as clear when lower tiers come out
wheat plume
is this a VR lighthouse?
crimson wigeon
Probably
shrewd thicket
shrewd thicket
any suggestions for a pc case? ordered 2 more hdds, turns out i only have 3 slot...
Don't order hdds, get a SSD and tape it
People but HDDs for their PC in 2022?
I'm planning to not even use SATA in my next build
ashen spindle
if he got them cheap or needs a lot of storage that wont work
in consumer space you're not finding the 20tb flash drives yet
shrewd thicket
Actually SSD's have a way higher capacity cap than HDD's
ashen spindle
we're still talking personal computer not server space
misty saffron
yeah except i got mine 100 bucks each
shrewd thicket
Not a cap but more what were capable of rn
ashen spindle
doesnt matter what they can do if you cant get them
shrewd thicket
Meh having 8TB in ur own system is overrated anyways
misty saffron
it's gonna be 26tb in total...
shrewd thicket
At that point you'd setup a nas or go cloud
misty saffron
NASes suck
shrewd thicket
Right
stark bobcat
Meh having 8TB in ur own system is overrated anyways
Different people need different things shocker I know
shrewd thicket
Different people need different things shocker I know
It's not about the use case it's literally that modern PCs or pretty much any PC isn't meant to have that much storage directly on the mobo
misty saffron
also, the point is to just hoard data and always have it locally available
shrewd thicket
So get a dedicated nas
misty saffron
again, NASes suck
shrewd thicket
So u can actually properly manage data and data redundancy and use proper caching
misty saffron
smb is shit
stark bobcat
It's not about the use case it's literally that modern PCs or pretty much any PC...
You literally can have it so how they not "meant to"?
shrewd thicket
Ur saying a nas sucks whilst slapping terabytes of storage directly onto your pc like that doesn't suck even more
misty saffron
it doesn't suck
misty saffron
i can download straight to it easily
shrewd thicket
LMAO
shrewd thicket
i can download straight to it easily
Because u can't do that with a nas?
misty saffron
all i have to do to access it is wait for the hdd to spin up
shrewd thicket
all i have to do to access it is wait for the hdd to spin up
U can't do that on a nas?
misty saffron
can you not see the distinction between remote and local
shrewd thicket
You literally can have it so how they not "meant to"?
Just because you can doesn't mean u should
shrewd thicket
can you not see the distinction between remote and local
A NAS ISNT REMOTE
Holy cow
misty saffron
it is remote in relation to the pc
shrewd thicket
Not if u run a cable?
misty saffron
stop shilling and say something constructive please
shrewd thicket
Bruh ur such a troll 💀
ashen spindle
why dont you just give an example of why he should pay more to put the drives outisde the pc case instead of ranting about semantics
shrewd thicket
why dont you just give an example of why he should pay more to put the drives ou...
Because the HDD's literally don't fit in his case
stark bobcat
Bruh ur such a troll 💀
Likewise
misty saffron
might just buy an external enclosure and run sata and power to that
ashen spindle
proper nas would cost more than just a differenct case, needs more cables etc.
shrewd thicket
I'm done this guy is literally a troll u can't be fr
misty saffron
i don't want the hassle that a nas is
where is the trolling
if i had 5 extra drives sure
it would make sense
i'm not about to deal with spending time on setting up and dealing with a nas
anything that's even remotely related to networking and isn't enterprise grade is going to suck
stark bobcat
@misty saffron how many drive bays did u need again I have never had to care about that but does the Fractal Design Define Mini C fit your needs?
misty saffron
5 total
misty saffron
yeah
misty saffron
yeah that sucks
i mean i can just buy that and ignore the fact my motherboard looks like a fucking ant in there
stark bobcat
Idk if any matx case will have 5*3.5
stark bobcat
i mean i can just buy that and ignore the fact my motherboard looks like a fucki...
Ye I think it's a good solution
reef patrol
i mean i can just buy that and ignore the fact my motherboard looks like a fucki...
I've built ITX in ATX builds for people who don't want to replace motherboards. While it looks silly, it's perfectly solid.
stark bobcat
Personally my pc is just a black box without windows
Soon to be without windows as well
reef patrol
Reject anonymity, embrace individuality
misty saffron
I've built ITX in ATX builds for people who don't want to replace motherboards. ...
well yeah that's the case (heh) for me
my x570 motherboard is totally fine
stark bobcat
Yeah I can't deal with so many lights the only reason I use them on the 60he is because they serve a purpose
astral haven
Hyyype
astral haven
Dsp alllll the things
echo shale
Does anyone know were I can get nice ISO Layout keycaps? Should've ordered ANSI as it seems 😂
reef patrol
Does anyone know were I can get nice ISO Layout keycaps? Should've ordered ANSI ...
Any specific language or?
When you say nice keycaps what are your thoughts? 🙂
If you're EU based then mykeyboard is probably your first stop in my opinion. If you want something now and not in two years once a group buy ends.
https://mykeyboard.eu/catalogue/category/keycaps_2/?selected_facets=num_in_stock_exact%3A[1+TO+*]
(This should filter out anything no longer in stock) - There will be a lot of ANSI/ISO mix so pay attention. 🙂
echo shale
@reef patrol I see, thank you. I was looking into themes sets found an NGE and a cyberpunk k set but booth only with the ansi enter key
teal blade
hey guys what should i press if i want to switch between my keyboard profiles ???
wooting 60he
teal blade
perfect thank you sir
wheat plume
this is a lot of keywords and software in one title
why tf does MacOS put Hot Corner settings in the SCREEN SAVER TAB??
Maybe Plasma 4
yeah LOL
tepid violet
can't wait to need a 2000W psu for a 4080
cursive summit
AD103 would be 4080 I think
shadow minnow
why tf does MacOS put Hot Corner settings in the SCREEN SAVER TAB??
Desktop g screen saver
empty wren
Over 9000
cursive summit
Regardless, they will succ power
shadow minnow
Hot corner sucks too
cursive summit
Twitter
I kinda want cheap Ryzen 7000 series
Although I am not sure who Greymon is talking about
empty wren
What about Intel arc?
empty wren
Oh
cursive summit
Arc is dead anyways
cursive summit
Your reason being ?
ashen spindle
price doesnt matter arc is shit
cursive summit
Arc has shit perf in games
empty wren
Arc has shit perf in games
Non directx 12 games
cursive summit
I play indie games, HoI4, Stellaris
cursive summit
Arc can't perform in games which Intel didn't manually optimize drivers for
It's kinda sad
ashen spindle
it's having issue in everything but thats kinda expected
it was expected the first gen is just wider beta tests for driver etc.
cursive summit
Anyways
A770 where?
They are also supposed to have an A750 limited edition
Where are 'dem cards Intel
cursive summit
Where's the Atari console
Didn't they release the VCS, nobody is talking about it
shrewd thicket
who u talking to
reef patrol
You I'd assume.
cursive summit
You you walnut
LG always names their shit as screen diagonal/generation number/model
Tf kinda version is S95
shrewd thicket
idk what you mean with C9 and C11
LG's newest oled is C2
this is samsung's QD-OLED TV
S95B
cursive summit
Fuck why didn't I clock this was Samsung
I saw OLED and I went to LG
Samsung can go back to their shitty QD-LED displays
ashen spindle
not vexx's best week so far
cursive summit
Tomorrow I'll say that Sony Series X is a good console
Ngl I didn't even read the samsung part
I went straight to the model number
Which confused the hell from me since I don't remember Samsung doing OLED
Must be a new thing for a few years now
shrewd thicket
because they've only done it since this year
ashen spindle
again its qd-oled so it doesnt exist for longer than this year
cursive summit
I remember this like a few weeks back
But still nothing from AMDs side even though Aug 5th is close by
ashen spindle
because it never even hinted at zen4 news on august 5th
cursive summit
Uhhh I think it did?
ashen spindle
an event for partners to look at info about x670 doesnt imply anything zen4 is there
cursive summit
"The recent launch of Ryzen 7000 processors"
Ah that was the weird phrasing
The hell did they even mean by that
Is it launching like tomorrow or what 
Maybe they meant "upcoming launch"
Cause the recent launch part just doesn't make any sense
ashen spindle
or its based on internal dates or just copy paste as this clearly is not aimed at consumers
so its no really relevant what it says exactly
crimson wigeon
Nah where have you been, under a rock? Those things have been launched they're pretty balling
cursive summit
I mean you don't know this but here I am gaming on my Ryzen 9 7950X3DX4D and it's pretty baller 
safe valley
because they've only done it since this year
crab gang
cursive summit
I sure hope you aren't another sushy
cursive summit
No, you stole his pfp
shrewd thicket
Bro I took this off reddit.months ago
cursive summit
Then you stole it from a guy off reddit
shrewd thicket
Yes I did
cursive summit
This anti-NFT behavior will not be tolerated
You WILL pay license fees for your image
shrewd thicket
K
cursive summit
Capitalism insists
shrewd thicket
If being weird was a crime you'd be in for life
cursive summit
If being weird was a crime you'd be in for a firing squad
shadow minnow
That wording doesn’t make much sense
If weird sentence structuring was a crime you would get death sentence
frozen ingot
were we really supposed to expect anything else from a companies first venture into a whole new and extremely complicated product segment tho
ashen spindle
yes
frozen ingot
I wasn't
ashen spindle
its not about performance lacking, its basic buttons not working in the software
frozen ingot
I expected it to suck on release, and suck further a couple more years
ashen spindle
again, not talking about the hardware here
but a reset button giving you an error instead of resetting it is just showing lack of basic QA
frozen ingot
am not just talking about the hardware either because its only half the equation
ashen spindle
like that part isn't even the drivers, it's not the part that is hard to do
you would fail college projects if you finish it like this
my expectations were buggy drivers and top performance at 3060 level
ashen spindle
not failing at something like csgo where the igpus work pretty well for them and the setting software locking up the pc or making it unusable
frozen ingot
if the thing reached gtx1070 levels I would have been surprised
ashen spindle
I mean the top sku going higher was expected that's just simple math from the hardware they would make
but I didn't expect them to fail in the area where they do have experience, they have intel XTU and other software, and even if not, they have enough money to hire people that should write normal working apps
leaving drivers entirely out of the picture and giving a full pass there they still failed
frozen ingot
ati/amd has shown for a good two decades that the hardware can only be as good as the software that instructs it
crimson wigeon
Linux tests pls
ashen spindle
yes, but thats not where they are failing, this is the software that does not interact with the hardware untill you OC it or something lol
nvidias control panel might look like its still from windows 95 but at least I cant remember it ever being broken
astral haven
It crashes if you unplug your Nvidia GPU lol
(Yes I've done it)
ashen spindle
that at least makes some sense lmao
frozen ingot
as long as they keep putting effort where it counts the control panel could look like DOS ASCII for all I care
ashen spindle
yup and intel failed even that so far
basic buttons not working just isn't something a tool like that should have lol
astral haven
Wait are you talking about the gn video?
ashen spindle
ya
astral haven
About hardware that hasn't released yet?
ashen spindle
it is released in china and the software is not in beta status
ashen spindle
especially given arc was delayed a lot and the people doing that software part wouldn't even need to have running hardware to test these things unlike drivers
astral haven
That is quite untrue lol
ashen spindle
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/docs/arc-discrete-graphics/software/arc-control.html idk how you'd say the software is not out yet
ashen spindle
astral haven
And that's available outside of the special beta that gn and Linus were able to use?
I'm gonna need a source of those menus existing for the currently released products
ashen spindle
since in the video they talked about an update that moved "from beta to release"
dont have the timestamp for that rn
astral haven
Drivers are separate from the control panel
stark bobcat
nvidias control panel might look like its still from windows 95 but at least I c...
I always see people complain about it but I don't remember ever having a problem
astral haven
That's exactly the point
ashen spindle
yeah it looks like it's the wrong tool since it looks so off but it works
I do think though by now they could have at least changed some things since it is sometimes annoying or hard to find something in the menus or the game specific thing can take a while to load etc.
stark bobcat
yeah I see so many amd fanboys mad about control panel lol
considering amd doesn't have the best track record for drivers that seems a little sus
junior ore
My issue with the control panel is lack of... control, or rather lack of options in various cases. though I think it depended on which gpu and which drivers. It might have been when I had generation gap. And that they were integrated.
I never used the Geforce Experience*
ashen spindle
shocker
stark bobcat
gf experience is kinda ass if only because it makes me log in
junior ore
uh, I'm talking where there's an actual nvidia chip in the laptop.
astral haven
Yep
But where the display is on the igpu
ashen spindle
if its integrated it cant be nvidia, they dont make cpus so they cant have integrated graphics
stark bobcat
throwback to nvidia chipsets lmfao
junior ore
hold on let me me make sure I didn't dummy forget my definitions again
ashen spindle
yeye go away with the switch and other oddities I know they exist 😛
they also make cpus now for data center but I obviously ignored them
stark bobcat
imagine if they had actually been able to buy arm
ashen spindle
dont think much would have changed for their own products
astral haven
they also make cpus now for data center but I obviously ignored them
Yea lemme just run a 400w "apu" in my laptop
ashen spindle
exactly
frozen ingot
tbh gpus cost too much money to have me gamble on an amd card
ashen spindle
huh
stark bobcat
tbh gpus cost too much money to have me gamble on an amd card
I just did this
junior ore
okay so apparently its based on if the video card has its own RAM or not that determines if its dedicated or not.... I see where I misremembered
astral haven
but I doubt many people know what nvidias plans were
I can tell you their 3 step plan with 100% certainty
1: make money
2: make more money
3: repeat
stark bobcat
if I get burned AGAIN I will not go amd for gpu again
frozen ingot
I just default to nvidia because I'm more or less guaranteed it'll work
amd can work well but there's also a considerable risk it won't
junior ore
depends on your manufacturer
astral haven
And I default to Nvidia because I want the faster gpu
junior ore
if you had gotten EVGA it'd most liekly have short circuited, especialyl with their power supplies
ashen spindle
????
stark bobcat
And I default to Nvidia because I want the faster gpu
not every 1 buys the highest end sku
frozen ingot
well that's not really nvidias fault
junior ore
I think it was a EVGA. there was one that had a super high failure rate of highly combustable PC components
frozen ingot
amd card makers can screw up the supporting hardware all the same
ashen spindle
bruh wtf are you guys all smoking I want some
stark bobcat
I dont think the partner model matters much aside from vrms and the cooler depending on the card
junior ore
I literally shove my AMD card intoa linux and even that worked without flinching,
frozen ingot
inconsistent stability and/or performance with certain titles and applications
stark bobcat
I got a saphire cuz I think they make the good shit but in trurth I coulda gotten something else
junior ore
do these certain titles have PhysX and other Nvidia depdeencies that make non-nvidia cards slower?
astral haven
Here's my citation
6 cards, none properly functional
The r9 nano in a system is barely functional
junior ore
thats not a citation
astral haven
They all run stress tests no problem but they run games wrong
frozen ingot
maybe, in either case there's a better chance of consistency on a greenboi
junior ore
personal experience is personal.
astral haven
I literally shove my AMD card intoa linux and even that worked without flinchin...
Speak for yourself then
stark bobcat
I had a r7 270x back in the day that is when I was burned the first time let's see if it happens again
junior ore
you the one that brought it up man
astral haven
AMD fanboy " in my experience they work great"
Person with many and cards "none of my cards work"
AMD fanboy "experience doesn't matter"
junior ore
except i didn't bring my personal experience as a source/citation of evidence.
astral haven
That's exactly what you did lmao
stark bobcat
lets be real here amd has always had the worse windows drivers
junior ore
I'm just asking for information on it
stark bobcat
and still does to this day
junior ore
and it the info wasn't provided.
frozen ingot
I don't want to fanboy or shill for nvidia or anything, but gpus are a sizable investment to me and their track record for consistency particularly on the driver side is not really disputable imo
stark bobcat
lets be real here amd has always had the worse windows drivers
and I say that as someone who just bought an amd card
astral haven
I'm just asking for information on it
You have been provided the response
Prove why the experience of a customer doesn't matter for the customer experience please
frozen ingot
nvidia is a dick company like many other big tech giants
junior ore
Because if you ask for evidence or proof, you aren't going to accept "because I say so"
astral haven
Ok so I won't either
junior ore
okay then
astral haven
Go get proof the AMD MADE drivers are functional
junior ore
personal experience doesn't fit into evidence unless it fits into the claim.
i never made the claim so I don't have to do that
the claim was AMD has a high risk of failure.
junior ore
so I'm just asking proof of that
astral haven
I've provided it
junior ore
6 out of 70000000000000 units isn't a lot
astral haven
AMD hasn't sold that many units
junior ore
they sold more thann 7
stark bobcat
6/7 is pretty atrocious
but how old are your cards?
junior ore
also yeah those look like dirt old MAC cards
astral haven
As old as my Nvidia cards
stark bobcat
As old as my Nvidia cards
this doesnt tell me shit what is the newest one
astral haven
And again all the physical cards are perfectly finctional
junior ore
which I want old vidia cards lol
stark bobcat
yeah old amd drivers are pure ass tho
astral haven
Nano is the newest
junior ore
well no shit old drivers are ass
astral haven
7990 is the newest in the picture
junior ore
okay so lets see how may sold... hold on
astral haven
well no shit old drivers are ass
Yes but Nvidia back to the 7950gx2 is very functional on desktop
stark bobcat
those don't even get drivers anymore have u tried the nimez driver?
junior ore
okay but that doesn't do anything regarding the claim about AMD video cards havign high failure rates
astral haven
3rd party drivers were not part of the discussion
stark bobcat
yeah but the first party ones are outdated
astral haven
okay but that doesn't do anything regarding the claim about AMD video cards havi...
Not working often != High failure rates
stark bobcat
and don't reflect amds current drivers
astral haven
Neither do nvidias
astral haven
The proof is in the pudding
junior ore
you didn't show anything but your own video cards
and you only have 7 cards
which is a small amount actually made and sold
so
you're still incorrect
crimson wigeon
Bruh just accept that it's luck based and some people just have bad luck
junior ore
exactly
frozen ingot
I haven't even taken hardware reliability or failure rate into account, am just concerned with the stability and performance consistency during a relatively prolonged lifecycle
stark bobcat
I'm pretty sure there are some amd cards with high failure rates tho
Like the radeon 7
frozen ingot
I've had nvidia card die on me, shit just fails sometimes
junior ore
I haven't even taken hardware reliability or failure rate into account, am just ...
okay btu that is different than what was said and honestly life cycle is valid, especially for some of them. but it still does depend on the manufacturer. some are tweaked so hard they run hot to death or just have bad support. or made really bad.
cursive summit
It's a perfect masterpiece example of how not to launch a card
junior ore
oh yeah def, Radeon 7 was super bad
frozen ingot
in the end they're made up of the same core materials
junior ore
but Radeon 7 is an exception, not the rule.
astral haven
you didn't show anything but your own video cards
And you haven't even shown that
The point is that the cards often don't work
Sure there are fewer amd cards by alot so you won't see many users irl, but you'll see fewer users with issues on Nvidia cards than on amd cards even though the market share is this
astral haven
but Radeon 7 is an exception, not the rule.
As is Vega?
And Polaris?
And Fiji?
Etc
ashen spindle
you mean the AiB not manufacturer probably, also it's very well known that amd till recent gen has been pretty poo, the opengl driver was only fixed this month so anyone playing minecraft on amd just had a nice -50% fps tax
stark bobcat
As is Vega?
And Polaris?
And Fiji?
Etc
I know quite a few people with rx 580s and they all work great
ashen spindle
though personally I think most issues are gone and I dont think so far you can say rdna2 is less reliable than ampere anymore
junior ore
like what were you even running these cards on originally? vista? mac?
ashen spindle
also the evga cards failing (and evga is not gigabyte, those are the flaming psu's) is on nvidia since they hardcore QC the cards
astral haven
I know quite a few people with rx 580s and they all work great
They don't work in most even moderately old motherboards
Their bios implementation is screwed to hell
stark bobcat
They don't work in most even moderately old motherboards
Their bios implementati...
who cares
junior ore
ooooh right okay , I got them mixed up quinn
junior ore
They don't work in most even moderately old motherboards
Their bios implementati...
XD so it's trolling, right?
astral haven
You can't boot them in any OEM system from ivy bridge or older
junior ore
are you, like, complaining about shoving a 8 volt AGP video card into a 4 volt AGP slot?
astral haven
I'm complaining about them leaving in a broken bios implementation
junior ore
who is leaving a broken bios implementation?
astral haven
It would have been better if they outright disabled bios support that way the PC could at least boot
astral haven
But if you stick Polaris in one of those omnipresent optiplex 2nd gen systems they won't boot
junior ore
and now you think most AMD GPUs are jsut bad
stark bobcat
But if you stick Polaris in one of those omnipresent optiplex 2nd gen systems th...
that is something very few people would care about frankly
crimson wigeon
Guess I dodged a bullet when I chose Fury instead of 480 then heheh.. although in hindsight regret my decision the 4 GiB VRAM is brutally limited now
ashen spindle
look I think amd is coming back and if they dont fuck it up are the same or better than nvidia this/next gen, but where did you look at for the last few years to think amd gpus did not have a long list of issue for every generation
stark bobcat
Guess I dodged a bullet when I chose Fury instead of 480 then heheh.. although i...
meanwhile people who bought the 970
3.5 go brrrrrrrrrrr
astral haven
astral haven
If you don't have uefi it wouldn't boot
Newer and older gpus work fine but Polaris doesnt
junior ore
whats polaris? if thats the name fo the chip line I don't often remember those.
stark bobcat
whats polaris? if thats the name fo the chip line I don't often remember those...
rx 400 - 500
astral haven
480 /580 and smaller
astral haven
I believe the 590 fixed that by dropping bios support
junior ore
okay so you have one case of someone not makign it work but also other cases where non-uefi boards are reported as working with them.
so, like, which is it or is it a different thing?
astral haven
It's just folks not understanding the difference between bios and uefi
junior ore
ah
ashen spindle
if you want something more recent here is 5700 cards being known for having issues in general with VR, even was in the known driver issues for many months
junior ore
why would a GPU even need to muck around iwhther its within BIOS/UEFI/CSM?
astral haven
Sandy bridge did have some uefi boards tho they were mostly custom boards
ashen spindle
cool your one experience doesnt really say much if amd put it in the driver issues
junior ore
this is what I'm talking about.
astral haven
why would a GPU even need to muck around iwhther its within BIOS/UEFI/CSM?
To boot, the bios attempts to initialize the GPU
If there's no GPU it just skips it but it can fail to init the GPU
It fails to init and then it stops
GG
stark bobcat
if you want something more recent here is 5700 cards being known for having issu...
nvidia cards also have issues with vr
I love my nvidia vr stutter
ashen spindle
those issues are not flat out black screens for many months though
junior ore
To boot, the bios attempts to initialize the GPU
If there's no GPU it just skips...
ah, righto then. some motherbaords do have the option to select at the least what to boot with.
stark bobcat
those issues are not flat out black screens for many months though
they still made the games less fun and persisted for a loooong time
junior ore
cool your one experience doesnt really say much if amd put it in the driver issu...
Some people having it doesn't mean all people have it and some people not having it doesn't mean no one has it.
ashen spindle
it was literally in the driver patch notes from amd as a known issue for many people
astral haven
Yes
But Nvidia sells more GPUs 4:1, and has fewer people who have outright unworkable machines due to drivers
junior ore
literally irrelevent to the topic about failure rates
so far these are very small amount of cases
like
where are the high return rates?
where's the civil law suits?
astral haven
You were the one that moved the goalpost to failure rates
junior ore
no don't fucking do that
stark bobcat
can't we just agree that amd has worse drivers on windows? but that they are improving too
junior ore
it was about AMD supposedly having high failure rates and I wanted proof of that
ashen spindle
nightman even said he wasn't even looking at hardware failures when saying that...
frozen ingot
I don't think they're nescessarily bad but they still tend to be worse quite consistently throughout the years and generations of architectures against competing nvidia platforms in performance benchmarks alone, that's a track record they've mostly maintained since the days of the earliest geforce and ati branded cards
junior ore
your pointing to 10-15 year old hardware/software that had bad luck isn't pointing to a case of high demand of returns
stark bobcat
this discussion is getting terribly boring please talk about something else
junior ore
that would be nice
junior ore
oh no what did he spend 225 thousand dollars on 👀
cursive summit
Framework
Investments into the company
Promising startup ngl
World needs upgradable PCs
junior ore
those already exist.
final flame
upgradable laptop pcs
stark bobcat
oh no what did he spend 225 thousand dollars on 👀
gme stock 🧢
ashen spindle
intel stock
stark bobcat
buy the dip :tr:
crimson wigeon
Bought the dip, but the dip dipped. Do I buy the dip dip?
junior ore
upgradable laptops already exists
ashen spindle
always double dip
junior ore
been so for years
stark bobcat
upgradable laptops already exists
link
astral haven
upgradable laptops already exists
Not hotswappable ports
ashen spindle
if you watch the video it's easier to discuss the topic of the video
junior ore
through the usage of MXM format video cards, you can have upgradable video cards for your laptops
stark bobcat
through the usage of MXM format video cards, you can have upgradable video cards...
framework lets you upgrade with motherboard
junior ore
astral haven
Yea and how thick is that?
junior ore
stark bobcat
these are chonkers
astral haven
And you won't get that many gens of gpu
frozen ingot
upgradeable laptops hadn't exactly been a common theme among more regular consumer midrange segments
junior ore
we said upgradability. we didn't say thinness./
junior ore
I get that
I was going what was said here
i typically don't like linus or click bait looking thumbnail videos :V
astral haven
Also mxm changes over time
You can't fit an mxm 3.1 card in an mxm 3.0 computer
junior ore
aye. but point is you can still upgrade and change them.
if you video card gets damaged or if you want to upgrade within compatibility : you can
as opposed to : you can't
ashen spindle
if you dont like to watch a video and then take part in a discussion about it that can easily become a bit of a time waster imo
stark bobcat
i typically don't like linus or click bait looking thumbnail videos :V
don't judge a book by its cover altho ltt videos are very much for laypeople but I still enjoy them
frozen ingot
LTT is like the mcdonalds paradox, nobody admits liking them or the food yet millions keep going there
junior ore
yeah but it's like... flaunting. it has to be something i'd be super curious about or such. rather than like "hey watch me stick my head ina giant fan blower that we shoved into a case"
stark bobcat
the clickbait titles and thumbnails are required to keep a company as big as linus media group afloat
ashen spindle
well then there is the option to not argue about it if you dont want to watch it too
junior ore
i know I know, youtube is harsh with the algorithms. I get it.
I'm not arguing about the video quinn :V
I'm saying there's already been upgradable laptops, and there are. just yeah not whole entire motherboard.
astral haven
And not that small or with hotswappable ports
junior ore
thats because these are geared towards gaming or studio work.
or portable server machines
these are specifically made to be beefy for the sake of shoving in as much hardware as you can into it.
not for, like, casual school carry
astral haven
There simply has not been a hotswappable port laptop under 2 grand before
And this one is under 1 grand
junior ore
ok
stark bobcat
the point of the framework is to be "more environmentally" friendly and also support right to repair
junior ore
sounds great
astral haven
There also hasn't been a laptop with schematics released in the last 15 years
stark bobcat
while being more mainstream in terms of size
junior ore
wait, I might have heard of this before. Is that that open source laptop?
astral haven
No
junior ore
ah, hmm... there was something that was entirely hardware open source based..
but righto, sounds spiffy eitherway.
astral haven
Watch the damn video
tepid violet
man I should have perma muted this chat lmao
stark bobcat
man I should have perma muted this chat lmao
?????????????????????
tepid violet
so much arguing lmao
junior ore
yeah I think I saw some of this laptop. modular slots
stark bobcat
why are u here then like just leave and don't speak
ashen spindle
yes that is called discussion, having different opinions and talking about it
ashen spindle
nononon wrong opinions, always return to monke
stark bobcat
wait till they invent the wormhole screen
junior ore
anyways the core concept is at least really good idea ... but honestly there isn't that much in terms of upgrades. It's literally just side ports. and the motherboard as the big thing.
The boards are still proprietary, just like any other. Just that its super easier to replace if it goes bad and honestly the price for these cost the same as if buying a whole new laptop with prices ranging from 400 to 1050. And for side ports its pick and chose what you want. The real main difference is unlike conventional laptops : you don't have to change the rest the of laptop when 'upgrading'. Keeping the shell/screen/etcetera.
So its able to conserve plastic usage that way so thats the environmental friendly part .
But if any other manufacturer also released changeable ports : it'd be the same thing. They could just make newer motherboards that fit the same shell, like Framework.
But it is a good step and I hope the big companies takes inspiration to take similar approaches to reduce waste with their constant pushing of consumer laptops that get thrown away
though I don't believe the buisness is gonna go anywhere if they are going to keep these very high prices for their motherboards
shrewd thicket
LTT is like the mcdonalds paradox, nobody admits liking them or the food yet mil...
I love LTT, I think yes they have clickbaity titles but I don't blame them, blame the youtube game instead. Or just go to floatplane
astral haven
But if any other manufacturer also released changeable ports : it'd be the same...
But they don't release changeable ports...
And those motherboard prices are less than 50% over bom...
junior ore
50% over what?
astral haven
Bill of materials
stark bobcat
Bill of materials
astral haven
Cost of parts
junior ore
Are you sure about that? How would they make any profit?
stark bobcat
Lower margin
misty saffron
50% over what?
byte order mark
astral haven
50% over bom leaves around 10ish % for actual profit
junior ore
Still though its pretty dang steep.
astral haven
Cheaper than the same parts in a normal OEM laptop
junior ore
Eeeeeehhh
astral haven
Remember this has quad thunderbolt 4
Thunderbolt inflates the cost of the PCB haaaaaard
junior ore
Ah that would be why then
astral haven
Da layaz
Also quad 2.5gbe?
Avx512 capable CPU?
Battery?
This has gotta be one heck of a pfsense box lel
junior ore
Pfsense?
astral haven
Router operating system
junior ore
Interesting choice
astral haven
Avs 512 is crazy on that crypto acceleration
Have to use one of the older boards ofc because pfsense alderlake isn't a thing yet
ashen spindle
avx 512 also isnt an alderlake thing anymore
unless you have a chip already for a while
astral haven
Well avx512 foundation is gone
But the crypto offloads that use the avx units are still there
junior ore
I certainly hope you aren't one for crytpo mining.
astral haven
Cryptography like ssl and tls
ashen spindle
ah yes, the cryptomining router
astral haven
Cryptography like ssl and tls
Ya know the backbone of the internet
misty saffron
any kind of security rather
astral haven
Yes that's what cryptography is part of
junior ore
Said crypto not cryptography. So didnt know, but now i do.
junior ore
Aye, its the hot topic so brain goes to it first before things like algorithms and such
I hadn't done networking since Blowfish was the fresh thing lol. So im far not caught up on network security
astral haven
Damn kids with their ponzi schemes coming here to steal mah terminology
Gerrof mah lawn
mild dome
I wonder if AVX512 will see adoption in modern games? I mean if it can accelerate rpcs3 you think it would work on newer games
I imagine the main barrier though is maintaining backwards compatibility with older CPUs, which will slow adoption. Does Zen 3 even have AVX 512?
ashen spindle
The reason it helps emulation there is because the PlayStation had some cursed custom hardware that isn’t just regular x86
Can be used in modern games sure but more likely that the tasks would run better on gpu with a compute shader anyway
junior ore
I'd say the Sega Saturn was more cursed in terms of hardware
mild dome
Yeah, Cell architecture isn't it called?
Basically instead of 1 big core, you have 8 tiny ones. In theory you could do a lot of parallel operations making it a lot more powerful. In practice (at least to start with) coding on it was a complete nightmare owing to the fact it had alien architecture and no one had built a sensible coding API for it. It would take you a few HUNDRED lines to do something as simple as "Hello world"
I think the Atari Jaguar 64 managed something worse didn't it?
They did something like trying to combine 2 32 bit CPUS to make a 64 bit one, which ended up performing on the level of a 16 bit machine 
junior ore
the thing with the Sega Saturn is it had poor documentation for developers, especially for ones outside japan. It had 8 processors to run through.
AND IT USED QUADRILATERALS AS PRIMITIVES
its like whatthefuckery in terms of polygons
example :
mild dome
Saturn was designed to use sprite resizing to simulate 3D instead of using real polygons like everyone else wasn't it?
Gimme the simples
What are primitives, and what makes quadrilaterals bad for this. I have vague memories from math class, but I think in computing they might be extra special,
Wait, a square polygon?
mild dome
I heard you could do that, but my modelling friend said it was a bad idea as it gets real buggy. Why did they go for Square polygons
junior ore
this was still an era were 3D graphic chips and 2D chips were separate
uuuuuuuuuhhhh unsure.
I think it's what they used in the arcade cabinets
Sega pioneered and started the whole thing.
mild dome
My only guess is that in theory a 3D chip using quadrilaterals could have more polygons?
junior ore
ah, you know what, that can make sense as it would take two tri polygons to make a square.
but yeah developing on the Sega Saturn was hell for developers
every studio hated it
here's the internals diagram btw
mild dome
It's not so funny to see all of Sega's missteps over the years, even now they seem to be unable to make a good Sonic game in house
junior ore
and while it has two main CPUs, they don't work parallel, they work Master-Slave
I think Sega's downfall was combination of over ambition and the falling market of arcades which was their primary income.
over ambition in terms of the non stop making stuff for the Genesis.
Which reduced their focus on the Saturn
and then having multiple projects, canceling one and outputting one really good one that got delayed but too late.
but before that, SEGA kicked every ass in terms of innovation truth be told.
They pushed the viability of the CD gaming market in it's infancy.
They fostered and pushed 3D gaming.
They had a more successful satellite program for their Genesis before dropping that than the Nintendo counterpart.
They didn't hand-hold/baby their audience with censorship and such
I want to say they put out the first Analog controller but I think the Atari 5200 technically counts?
But yeah. SEGA did a lot of good. But their misteps wasn't helped by the failing arcade market of the 90s and 00s.
by then you'd find much less dedicated establishment for arcades.
oh yeah another big issue with the Saturn was SEGA didn't release any fuggin SDKs.
no software libraries or any development tools
and early documents had incorrect information
Early games straight up incorporated assembly language
eventually they finally started releasing SDKs and such for developers to actually make games for their console lol
also super weird choice : cartridge slot on the top legit is a RAM slot.
mild dome
Although it's ambitious to push for a lot of this early tech, it also feels like they weren't content to actually finish it upon release.
Like maybe if they took a slightly more Nintendo approach and tried to finish the tech before release we might still have a Sega console in modern times to bicker over.
astral haven
I wonder if AVX512 will see adoption in modern games? I mean if it can accelerat...
Backwards compatibility is easy, anything that runs on avx512 will run on older avx versions just horribly slowly
The reason it hasn't seen big adoption is the inconsistent hardware support
There are 20+ different options that can all be enabled or disabled for avx512, and Zen 3 supports zero of them
No point in adding it because consoles don't use it and neither do the popular PC arches
Avx was basically required for good performance in games 3 years after release in a top selling consumer product
And avx2 took about 4 years
Avx512 hasn't had a top selling consumer product yet...
junior ore
it's possible they could have remained in the game if they didn't have those side projects eating at their revenue, yeah.
maybe some less marketing within japan as well.
mild dome
Avx was basically required for good performance in games 3 years after release i...
Even Intel dropped AVX 512 support due to their little.BIG approach, though IRC ZEN 4 and Raptor lake will bring on AVX 512 support
Will those be full support, perhaps this is when we might see someone do something interesting with them?
mild dome
IRC Sega also almost had a real good thing going with the Dreamcast, they almost got 3DFX onboard, but then the Japanese HQ stepped in, took a shit on the deal and went with some graphics company no one had ever heard of because the Japanese CEOs knew eachother at the yacht club.
I imagine that's one of the many reasons the dreamcast just died on the market
junior ore
The Dreamcast was a real great machine
They learned a lot from what failed for the Sega Saturn
good library of games
and it was successful. but the company at that point wasn't able to continue on with current operations even when they launched it.
Sega was in that much of a problem.
It had a built in RealTimeClock, a Moden, and plenty of horsepower hardware-wise
like straight up a 200MHz cpu
one designed straight from Hitachi, and it was well made.
One issue is check out the diagram https://www.copetti.org/images/consoles/dreamcast/diagram.9f14a6fde15d760cec97c181023737ba0b254faef839d8634f2eb5d5235d3568.png
All the IO feeds into the GPU
except for the RTC
so weird, right?
but yeah it may seem like a weird choice to go with VideoLogic/Imagination Technologies over 3DFX, but it could be SEGA was seeing 3DFXs waning as a viable company which would have hurt them more. 3DFX was failing around this time,
they struggled to push cards until they were bought out by Nvidia in 2000
so, like. Yeah even if SEGA wanted to use 3DFX as the GPU chip maker for the Dreamcast... we never would have had the console at all
Anyways they did a pretty good job with the custom GPU, and they put in some slick tricks which allowed the console to push out some pretty damn big 3D maps and such
Sonic Adventures being a prime example
and not just big in size for the hardware, but in efficiency in rendering it cause they used some fancy tile system.
the other amazing thing is the system could output VGA. Straight up the highest definition retro console you can find. 720x480
Composite and S-Video just can't beat it, though it also supported those and RGB.
So it's SCART ready more or less.
ALSO
slaps the top of the disc drive
This bad boy supports DirectX 6 😎
the whole point of the Windows CE label on the Dreamcast was primarily for developers and basically nothing for the end user lol But, hey, Windows API and DirectX support years before the Xbox
and because of MUCH more improved support developer wise, you cans till find homebrew for the console after 20 years.
It supports C and C++
There is one more fault : they put anti-piracy on the machine that was more easier to hack than any other console.
the Dreamcast supports interactive audio CDs which lets music CDs runs programs from it.............. so like it took all of two seconds to hack it.
astral haven
holy wall of text
spiral palm
Should I get the beyer dynamic dt990? Do y’all think they are a good option? I’m kinda on a budget for under 225
And do y’all also have a good chair recommendation I’m done with these crappy gaming/racing chairs
astral haven
225?
225 what?
junior ore
Def dont buy gaming chairs
Buy a fancy cushy office chair that are made for people to sit on for 8 hours
spiral palm
Buy a fancy cushy office chair that are made for people to sit on for 8 hours
Yeah I hate gaming chairs I was looking into ergonomic mesh office chairs
spiral palm
225?
225 what?
225 dollars
astral haven
560s for example
final flame
Should I get the beyer dynamic dt990? Do y’all think they are a good option? I’m...
990 has a very sharp sound signature, get a Sennheiser 560s
astral haven
if you want cheaper and better he400se, if you want better and more expensive 560s
snow osprey
Anyone know their way around pc components?
astral haven
cinder eagle
oh baby just got my steam deck email
astral haven
steam deck bby
crimson wigeon
DECK IT UP
stark bobcat
Anyone know their way around pc components?
What do u need?
ashen spindle
not really wrong because usually its not leaks just the same as others said lol
chrome estuary
It's probably a fair assumption it'll be roughly about there.
ashen spindle
announcement is they have to package it for disposal since its all broken
fickle ore
announcement is they have to package it for disposal since its all broken <:havo...
😜
final flame
Just made a discord pfp crop template, For anyone who wants it
Made this since discord wont let you change your pfp more than 2 times in a certain timespan
wheat plume
Framework laptop is so neat :D
When it's time to get a new CPU, you can just buy the new motherboard, swap it into the laptop you currently have and then you also have a motherboard you can install into their 3d printable case and use it like a very very small desktop PC
fair gull
Made this since discord wont let you change your pfp more than 2 times in a cert...
im confused how does this fix the issue
and does it also have a mobile crop version
misty saffron
cropping on mobile is different?