it uses cloudflare ipv4 and ipv6 as a backbone
#πβtech
fair gull
fair gull
eh i just use cloudflare cause i dont trust onion routing to be the fastest for dns
vocal cipher
just curious how annoying it can be, instead of trying myself π
fair gull
hf trying and pls tell how annoying it is
prob easier to setup cloudflare warp+ vpn tho for dns queries
wheat plume
TLDW: Apple didn't fix issues despite him telling them all the issues and giving them 3 weeks before his reviews went online
Apple called him and scolded him for not giving them a chance to fix the issues before the reviews
formal vortex
were these issues fixable in three weeks time?
ashen spindle
so uh, how do you get to 3 weeks if in the video he talks about 5 and then 3 DAYS
wheat plume
Issues such as the lockscreen shortcuts not working
Force touch not working to use app icon shortcuts on the home screen
VPN connection didn't stay connected
Definitely fixable in 3 weeks
But he didn't even get a reply from Apple after sending in the issues
ashen spindle
where do the 3 weeks come from
fair gull
is this a just lana moment again?
ashen spindle
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
wheat plume
He said it
fair gull
quin said he mentiomed 5 and 3 days
wheat plume
That's how long he was waiting for a reply that didn't come
wheat plume
The review was 3 weeks later right?
ashen spindle
idk he doesnt say that so if he says 8 days I assume thats the time
fair gull
apple bad
credit where credit is due... apple OSs are better than linux cause at least i can google an actual working answer and not an answer for some ancient os version with radically different packages and commands
ashen spindle
I assume the 3 weeks later means 3 weeks after release?
anyway I dont even want to defend apple, but if its not 3 weeks and we dont know what exactly the issue is aside from "bootloops and other issues" idk if that is fixable in that time
fair gull
like ill hate on apple but for actual reasons
apple devices are solid
hardware and software wise
personally cant say ive had all too many issues and if there was one an SoC reset via a key combo from their help website fixed it usually
customer phones and my own macbook alike
yes they had 1 os crash when i tried to sign into the store but it also just didnt happen ever again
reef patrol
I assume the 3 weeks later means 3 weeks after release?
Yep.
He had no early access or anything. Apple just blacklisted his ass for not being a team player and lying to consumers.
ashen spindle
no I get that, that just means the 3 weeks are not 3 weeks where apple didnt fix it, that were the 8 days I assume
not saying apple was right or anything
but its better to accuse with the right facts
reef patrol
Here's a timeline.
Buys phone on release. It has issues.
Buys ANOTHER phone to make sure it isn't a fluke.
Contacts Apple (At this point they still don't have a review out - big website, etc...)
Apple stonewalls them for a week, they keep trying to contact them.
Gives up and releases video.
NOW suddenly Apple wants to talk.
fair gull
still means the 3 weeks for apple to reply is false
reef patrol
I don't know where that 3 week thing comes from. But Apple is entirely on the hook for ignoring followups for a week, when they know everyone wants to get reviews out.
And then proceeds to blacklist major reviewer because they were the ones who failed to do shit all π
ashen spindle
TLDW: Apple didn't fix issues despite him telling them all the issues and giving...
thats where the 3 weeks come from and thats the only point we tried to figure out
fair gull
but as quin said if u shit on someone shit for the right reasons and not smth false
ashen spindle
yea the rest we all agree on
cursive summit
Jeez
2.2.7.1 OpenGL optimizations driver is insane
Only thing I find is that I'm not getting the driver 
Hmmm
Ah the driver was hidden as optional, found it
ashen spindle
took them long enough, over a month from first release as standalone driver to being part of adrenalin
cursive summit
Alright on RLCraft I get anywhere between 50 to 120 FPS with old driver
Seems to hover about 80
And new driver's up, let's see how good this "+90%" really is
Note I have a 5000 series card, not 6000 and playing at 1440p heavily modded but without any shaders
Oh jezus what the fuck
165 FPS avg
With drops to 140
junior ore
credit where credit is due... apple OSs are better than linux cause at least i c...
Strange how i never had to do this
fair gull
i mean both quintosh and i had to
and its always the same
i wanna compile smth
it requires some gcc version
i cant install it
google it
still cant install it
i just say fuck it and use windows
like how can it be that i already compiled smth with the same headers that are now supposedly missing but they come with gcc which i have and then i later find out its a slightly older or newer version which somehow cant be installed no matter what i try
junior ore
A bit weird you have all these issues but i dont. Only issue i had was a key ring issue but thay was a quick google search resolution
fair gull
ya its weird but the issue is that even googling my specific debian version i only get results for other stuff
and then on wsl debian on windows it just works
mingw also so far never complained
also had this on ubuntu once
even used the exact ubuntu version in a vm that a framework i used specified
tried to compile
errors on end
junior ore
Maybe debian is just junko :P
I didnt play around wity devian for too long honestly.
Like in the case of ubuntu : gnome ui was not for me at the time
fair gull
in a pure server setting it served me for years continuously without any issues
junior ore
Aye
fair gull
but as soon as i try to dev on it theres some small issues that just dont seem to be fixable
junior ore
Debian servers are different matter
ashen spindle
it's not weird that those issues dont appear for everyone because if that was the case linux would actually be unusable, it works well for certain things just quite often not allrounded as windows is since it's obviously extremely fragmented
just a higher chance to find an issue if you dont use the same distro as someone else and they never tested it on that one
ashen spindle
or in my case a unity plugin where it took like 2 years to fix a linux specific issue since that was buried somewhere between the step of adding CUDA and the vulkan compilation code and no problem on windows since that just always has all the needed things
cursive summit
Samsung as a supplier when
Also, why buy Pixel 6 if Pixel 7 is coming this year https://www.gsmarena.com/google_pixel_7_7_pro_pixel_tablet_and_foldable_smartphone_camera_sensors_uncovered-news-55200.php
junior ore
@ashen spindle yet again proving you dont know anything about it pushing this notion it needs unification or some such.
ashen spindle
what
ashen spindle
I dont say it needs it I say thats how it currently is
junior ore
This horribly stupid idea of just "they should all just work on one operating system :D " is what you keep spouting and its nonsense
ashen spindle
thats not what I'm saying
fair gull
id already be happy with cutting down on 300tools that all do the exact same but have different command structures
junior ore
You go on about frsgmentstion and different linux distros and shit wanting it to be like a windows single thing
fair gull
Its like bitching about flavors of ice cream
if every store calls vanilla flavor smth else ud also be pissed
junior ore
Uh, no, thats not whats happening
ashen spindle
no I'm not, I'm saying that is how linux is and that has certain advantages as well as disadvantages and some of them are causing these issues
fair gull
uh yes thats whats happening
fair gull
beginning with package managers and ending with the servers where packages come from
like i couldnt give 2 shits for distro count if the toolset would be more condensed
ashen spindle
the concrete problem I had was related to a library not existing on the distro I had to use because I could not install certain things so the thing crashed, which was not the case on the distro the dev had it run on so thats why it wasn't caught during developemnt
how are you trying to tell me thats not related to fragmentation of distros
shadow minnow
Hmmm
My guess is it may be because the lenses on newer iPhones have quite a few elements so probably makes production a bit more complicated
ashen spindle
im not saying the solution is to only have one, I'm merely showing the one issue I had recently was from that. if I find a bloat related issue on windows my suggestion also isn't suddenly to split windows into 50 versions
ashen spindle
sure, but thats more in the vertical rather than the horizontal when looking at currently active things
if I dev on win11 I dont care if win7 runs it
fair gull
i meant more
home, pro, edu not to mention N versions
they come with different things but still offer the same baseline if tools and files
ashen spindle
ah yeah true, but for the most part that is limited to windows tools and not extra tools like combability with vulkan drivers or so
fair gull
ya cause those stay the same
and even the base tools generally work the same since xp
like regedit basically hasnt changed
most commandlets in cmd.exe also remain unchanged
fair gull
my main issues with searching for help or problems was they always used programs i couldnt install andhor have already
junior ore
Whats wrong with just... picking what you want and keeping it that way?
fair gull
and if they were in the repo they required prerequisits that arent there
junior ore
The package manager doesnt auto include the requirements?
fair gull
like one time i just wanted to install mongodb 4
followed their instructions for my distro
it complained that apt didnt have a requisit lib
googled it for my distro
no commands worked
found one that works with keyring
did that
installed mongo
rebooted
apt doesnt work at all anymore
gg
junior ore
Community edition. Right?
fair gull
i basically had to go back and manually replace apt with a manually extracted older version
fair gull
Community edition. Right?
yes
i also had to just use mongodb 3 cause i couldnt install 4 no matter what
junior ore
Looking it up and there was mention of licensing issues and removal in various repositories.
Especially for arch. All gone for arch.
fair gull
wasnt even using arch
junior ore
Though am intrigued: non-table format for data storage?
junior ore
Aye but i am so was curious
fair gull
i just had to completely switch distros just for mongodb 4 since after a few months i wasnt happy with 3
not to mention whatever security holes it brought
junior ore
Yeah so apparently mongodb switched from AGPLv3 license to. SSPLv1 licensing
Redhat and debian and arch removed it from their official repositories
fair gull
u see their instructions didnt say to add any repos back then
it just complained about a dependency
which i havent even seen until then that those errors can happen
and in that confusion endless googling happened which at the end lead to apt not doing anything
junior ore
Likely any old versions that would be available would want older stuff not available anymore. Or sumthin
fair gull
ya but thats like one of those issues u know
as much as i hate windows
i had less trouble with it
junior ore
Sounds like all the fault of mongodb honestly for not clear instructions and removing themselves from the repositories when they changed from the free licenses.
fair gull
and yet on windows an error could also pop up about some visual redist missing or smth
i download it install it
nothing breaks
trust me id love to jump ship. it would make a good chunk of things easier and remove quiet a few programs i need rn due to doing admin on linux servers
junior ore
Maybe the devs could be non lazy and leave a crash log too in a text file, idunno :P
Or put in install instructions
Like which dependency to get
cursive summit
fair gull
doesnt really fix the issue of hours of googling with commands that either dont work or dont exist on my distro
junior ore
I can't comment on server stuff honestly.
But typicslly most of the normal desktop side of linux gonna run most of the same command lines with a few exceptions.
crimson wigeon
And these days you just run everything in premade containers so no fiddling around with your system package manager, for better or worse
junior ore
exactly
and can, like, always run your shit in a virtual machine if you really want.
though i don't.
fair gull
And these days you just run everything in premade containers so no fiddling arou...
ngl some stuff i dont wanna containerize
and some stuff i cant
cause i need to compile smth to test crossplatform
and it just misses some headers that should exist on the distro but dont
junior ore
I think there was onyl one time where I royally fucked things up but I can't rememebr what I did. was like, forever ago when I was baby new to linux though ... can't remember if it was the first release of manjaro or Ubuntu π€ but I was fiddling with things I shouldn't ahve fiddled with without knowing what I was doing lol
legit messed it up so bad couldn't be able to log in, broke the window manager
fair gull
i mean i one time just wanted to uninstall x and all the stuff along with it
broke even the shell somehow
fair gull
i think ubuntu on a laptop
junior ore
yeah.
though when I tried ubunutu or anything debian, it was like 5-8 years ago and much things have changed
fair gull
idk in the 8yrs ive used debian nothing really changed for me
except the canonical name
or whatever its called
junior ore
I threw in manajaro on my laptop and dabbled on it and, while I didn't know what I was doing, it didn't catch on fire. I didn't figure out how t play much games on it but I dind't give it a serious try.
Well why not try something non-debian for a try?
not saying to commit to something different
I mean to just try.
junior ore
which arch?
junior ore
so just normal plain arch? yeah I wasn't brave enough to dive into that, thats essentially build from scratch. I went with pre-built ones
fair gull
i also tried gentoo once altho in a vm
fair gull
i just never had any good experiences with desktop linux besides.simple office stuff and home usage
fair gull
gentoo rings a bell, unsure if I tried it
its the compile everything os
junior ore
oh, interesting
fair gull
want chromium? compile it from source for 20mins
junior ore
lol
wish i could say I had at least some of your esxperience on the server side of things. I just have me scrub side on the consumer end.
fair gull
serer side i only experienced debian and rhel
junior ore
more than me still ; I don't have a use for a server, sadly. I tried with some games but like. just didn't go anywhere. so i got a bunch of server hardware but not put to use.
even got a cloud server with 8 nodes in it.
crimson wigeon
Chromium compiled in 20 mins? Yeah I don't believe you
junior ore
what hardware was it being compiled on?
crimson wigeon
Forever
fair gull
and when i tried compiling firefox i basically left for the day
crimson wigeon
Still think the Nix style of doing packages is the future, now if only one were to make such a distro but without a terrible language for defining everything..
fair gull
the frick is nix
junior ore
i'm super curious how Valve is gonna do their desktop version of Steam OS.
fair gull
ngl i thought steamos was dead
after steam machines kinda died
steamos might also be what gets me to use linux
junior ore
they gave it support still to peopel that wanted it. SteamOS 3 is completely rewritten and different
crimson wigeon
It's a slightly different kind of package manager that you can install on theoretically any distro, due to the way it works it's no problem if different packages require different versions of dependencies and stuff
fair gull
ngl idc what the future linux os i use is based on
just dont change the basic foundational packages every new version
if it stays arch etc ill use it gladly
crimson wigeon
It's also focused on buzzwords like reproducible builds and stuff, if a package builds on machine A it'll do the same on all other machines
cursive summit
Is there anything else than Linux, Windows or hackintosh I can use on my desktop hardware?
fair gull
would be a widespread os and already save me headaches
fair gull
Is there anything else than Linux, Windows or hackintosh I can use on my desktop...
templeos
cursive summit
Something more usable
junior ore
but on the Steam Deck it has one issue, and it's that for updates from the deck-mode it kind just........ over-writes the whole OS π so like, pacmana dn such is behind a read-only thing. which you can turn off and install what you want if you desire but that wont work outside the deck enviornment.
fair gull
Something more usable
then not really
cursive summit
Man I am done with Windows
fair gull
we all are
cursive summit
Linux is annoying
crimson wigeon
Oh no! If I ever feel the desire to do more shenanigans on deck I'll just install everything in my home dir
fair gull
only if u have the specific hardware
cursive summit
You know, running macos on stuff that's not supposed to run it
junior ore
I'm just curious is all how they'll do normal desktop distro version and how it compared to the deck version, is all.
fair gull
well u can buy the same cpu and gpu etc apple used and have almost no issues
junior ore
i don't think you can buy an M1/2
fair gull
the intel ones
crimson wigeon
SteamOS will probably never (officially) be a normal desktop distro
junior ore
you mean from their cheese graters?
astral haven
SteamOS will probably never (officially) be a normal desktop distro
You mean steamos 3.0?
Because 2.0 and 1.0 were normal distros
crimson wigeon
No they weren't
They also booted directly up to BPM, sure there was also a desktop mode but you was not meant to use it
junior ore
(i'm just making jjoke because fuck apple for trashcan desgin that is terrible and cheese grater being over priced crap )
astral haven
π€· define desktop
They run on arbitrary hardware and have a launcher that launches programs
crimson wigeon
Something that you'd actually want to install on a general purpose computer
junior ore
right
and for the CURRENT Steam OS there is a full blown desktop enviornment too
so I am curious how it['d be for Steam OS outside of the deck.
if it would have the frontend or just the KDE
crimson wigeon
https://github.com/theVakhovskeIsTaken/holoiso probably like this
junior ore
maybe but thats some unofficial tweaked thing
astral haven
Something that you'd actually want to install on a general purpose computer
Specifying "general purpose" pretty much disqualifies all of linux
junior ore
does it?
Linux is whatever you want it to be
literally
want a server? there you go. Want a home office? yup. Game rig? ayup.
astral haven
Yep
But as soon as you want it to do more than 2 things working at the same time it breaks
junior ore
build from scratch? yup. Security concerns? covered too.
for example?
My game rig does home office stuff perfectly fine
nothings broken there.
astral haven
Desktop units
junior ore
document scanners?
astral haven
Some
junior ore
whats the issue with hooking up scanners?
astral haven
Land if you install too many packages alot of things just start breaking
astral haven
whats the issue with hooking up scanners?
Some of em just don't have drivers
Linux is like arm
It works great for what it's designed for
But if you push the boundaries it starts to chug
And if you try to run something incompatible you are better off virtualizing π€£
And forget about old hardware
junior ore
idunno about the part of "things jsut start breaking". also, a lack of driver support isn't the fault of linux.
astral haven
idunno about the part of "things jsut start breaking". also, a lack of driver ...
It's a fault WITH Linux tho
junior ore
no you're shifting the blame. it's on the manufacturers jsut not giving a fuck.
astral haven
Ok so the word fault means issue or crack or break
junior ore
I get what you mean
astral haven
When you say fault of that is blame
Fault with means error
junior ore
what I'm saying is the fault is on the manufacturer. if they don't give a fuck about the consumers enough to have coverage of support or enough awareness .. it's not a product you should have bought to begin with.
and hardware not supporting an operating system because of drivers been a thing since.... forever.
ashen spindle
not really relevant to the user if its not working because linux or because of the manufacturer
the result is it doesnt work with linux
astral haven
and hardware not supporting an operating system because of drivers been a thing...
you are the one placing blame
I never said it was linux's fault
junior ore
no the result is you bought a poorly supported hardware that you didn't do research if it worked for your OS or not.
astral haven
It's not arms fault that x86 is more widely adopted
astral haven
no the result is you bought a poorly supported hardware that you didn't do resea...
So it's not general purpose
fair gull
gl changing that cause i havent met customers who research it
they buy it cause they assume itll generally work
fair gull
not really word games imo
quin is right
to most consumers its the result they see
not whos fault it is
doesnt work on a pc so they just dislike it
doesnt matter if linux, windows, macos or whatever is at fault
junior ore
it wouldn't be any of those ;/
and it wouldn't change if it was or wasn't general purpose if some manufacturers were shitty or not...
if someone only saw the bare surface of something and dind't look further : they shouldn't even be on a computer. which, sadly, is a lot of people.
some people abrely know what a power switch is half the time
they don't count as a 'result'
fair gull
you see the issue os tho
junior ore
they don't count for anything
junior ore
There's already some that do. But these kind of people don't know and wouldn't care.
fair gull
ngl i didnt know there is
the sad fact is be it macos or windows
people are used to a very fleshed out appstore and the ability to just open a file and it starts an installer for a program
junior ore
Because Apple and iIcrosoft market and push these things as if they are the onyl ones that exist and don't provide anything else as options and, effectively, try to force the options such as TPM and secure boot and shit. so yeah. Were linux a company or priced they were already be sued heavily for anti-competition laws.
fair gull
except tpm and secure boot arent made to lockout anyone?
junior ore
and they been pushing this shit for decades, so it forms a brand culture.
yet I hear they cause issues for linux installations at times?
and installation guides that say to turn them off.
fair gull
cause they are too lazy to tell people how to use the shimloader
or implement it themselves
microsoft literally never had an issue signing the linux secureboot efi files
5yrs
crimson wigeon
Yeah all the big distros have that stuff figured out nowadays, but..
https://gabrielsieben.tech/2022/07/25/the-power-of-microsoft-pluton-2/
junior ore
can't say I knew of shim, so, that's somethign new I learned.
but it is a fact microsoft had for decades been extremely anti-open source
crimson wigeon
And now most open source projects rely on them (through github, and such...), funny how that works
junior ore
thats because majority of the people that were against open source within microsoft have left it.
and the people in charge realize how stupid theyw ere and adapted accordingly
pale sigil
So
I might nuke my d3c
Deck of
Os today
Going to try and partition and duel boot a second distro
ashen spindle
https://twitter.com/SebAaltonen/status/1552266666301587456 looks like as usual its just a matter of laptops coming later than apple products to market to offer competition
crimson wigeon
But M2
junior ore
That was nonsensical sounding
You mean manufacturers, not laptops.
Cause, like. Macbooks are laptops.
ashen spindle
yes I guess you can add the word other before it
junior ore
Anyways this comes to no shock because there will always be a product before and after another product, either better same or worse.
shadow minnow
Could have said which version of M2 since it does make quite a difference
ashen spindle
whats the difference
shadow minnow
25% increase in amount of GPU cores
ashen spindle
ok so the gfxbench test macbook has either like 3 points more or less, got it
shadow minnow
What is 6800u power consumption?
ashen spindle
its configurable
shadow minnow
Or compare to M2 pro 
crisp granite
doesn't exist yet
ashen spindle
it might be idk
crisp granite
compare to M1 Pro, which is a monster already
can't wait to play RE8 on it
no word on mac release date, but I'm hoping for a release in line with the Winter's Expansion
shadow minnow
Do you want to get a MacBook?
junior ore
I play too many games to want to get a mac, and i dont to support the company. but i do want to try it.
astral haven
configure it to run at M2 wattage
It works well
Remember it's amd not intel
shadow minnow
Oh wait nvm I am blind
shadow minnow
Whoops mistaken you for Pleasant 
sorry
crisp granite
if only Erik could mistake me for Pleasant and give me admin privileges
shadow minnow
What would you use them for though?
shadow minnow
And donβt need admin to ban just get into woothelp
slow garnet
@fair gull regarding your complains about compiling, yeah, it's a bitch. part of the problem is that a: nothing is standardized (for better or for worse), and b: many optimizations and build time flags and etc.
additionally if you aren't using a distro that's supported by the dev of said package or software, tough luck. see: using musl
crisp granite
And donβt need admin to ban just get into woothelp <:mm:638142954841833512>
I would love ban powers, but not with the added responsibility to help the fortnight kiddos with their dogshit game
but hey, you make it work
shadow minnow
Well sometimes I feel like I donβt do enough tbf 
But then as woothelp you donβt have to do fortnite really for that there is a separate role
You can just focus on the other issues unless you are fortnite support too
misty saffron
a pd hub?
shadow minnow
My monitor has a built in usb hub and itβs great ngl
Also 100w charging for MacBook
pale sigil
https://www.jsaux.com/products/upgraded-docking-station-for-steam-deck im so close to getting it
Β£35.27 with discount
nvm
Aug
shadow minnow
And limits you to HDMI 2.0
shadow minnow
4k60 idk if 10bpc
pale sigil
4k60 idk if 10bpc
Well i dont have 4k60 anymore nvm higher and its a steam deck lol
shadow minnow
1440p144 is higher
pale sigil
1440p144 is higher
HDMI 2 does 1440/144hz
shadow minnow
With HDR?
ashen spindle
its a steam deck not a mobile 4090
astral haven
1440p144 is higher
It's only barely higher
astral haven
its a steam deck not a mobile 4090
With a real 4090 tho in the other room it can act like a mobile 4090
ashen spindle
yeah and you'll need more than a hub that has 3 usb ports or so for power delivery
astral haven
You want to run Linux on your main machine that bad?
pale sigil
Yes
astral haven
All I can say is oof
The only GPU you could have bought that had an outright better and option at the time is the 3090ti
pale sigil
Anything Nvidia is poo on linux
astral haven
Just run one of the main line supported distros
It really irritates me that Nvidia dropped officially publishing their supported list but generally afaik it hasn't changed recently
Oh they break it down now
X.org v 1.7-1.21
Kernel 3.10 and up
Etc
astral haven
Oh they break it down now
X.org v 1.7-1.21
Kernel 3.10 and up
Etc
Oh no it's 1.7-1.20 , 21.1
pale sigil
one other thing i may well end up doing is storing my desktop on the other side of my room
ashen spindle
and then use nvidia gamestream or w/e its called to stream it to your deck or monitor?
or amd link or whatever names they all have for those software packages almost nobody uses so you never remember the name
astral haven
Moonlight (nv native) or parsec (windows native)
ashen spindle
ah moonlight is not from nvidia, was going to complain how they renamed something yet again lol
astral haven
Yea it's the openish client for Nvidia shield streaming
junior ore
dead pixel? or some kind of blunt defect?
reef patrol
Literal bug
junior ore
can't tell cause of the picture.
reef patrol
This is quite common during summer. Tiny insects manage to get in between the layers of LCD panels.
junior ore
most def
especially her ein florida
very humid. bugs love it too much here.
though it could be a dead pixel. but I do recommend start cleaning the outside of it.
would do good to open it up and start cleaning too on the backside.
ashen spindle
a dead pixel doesnt smear to the pixels around it
junior ore
it might if it was more than just one and the 'smear' was light bleeding, or such. Though when I say dead I mean 'off' rather than 'wrong color'
pale sigil
It seems to have fucked off
reef patrol
a dead pixel doesnt smear to the pixels around it
Unless it is in fact several pixesl π
Been there.
reef patrol
Bugs like that have a lifespan of a day or two at most. So it happens real fast π
stark bobcat
That's why I'd rather poison myself with insecticides than have insects in my apartment
reef patrol
Some of us sadly need cool air from an open window.
vocal cipher
I relate to both of you
there are still some inside even though it's literally insect nets everywhere
I have no idea how
latent mural
With a real 4090 tho in the other room it can act like a mobile 4090
wait when has there been 4090's?
ashen spindle
there hasnt
I just said that to make sure its clear a steam deck itself isnt powerful enough to reach limits of hdmi 2.0
at least not in any relevant form
astral haven
wait when has there been 4090's?
Since late August this year gosh get with the memo /s
junior ore
Maybe if someone hardware jury rigged it lol
empty wren
Just give in to hairspray tony
cursive summit
The Radeon Raytracing Analyzer (RRA) is a tool designed to help improve the raytracing performance of AMD GPU's that support raytracing. The tool thus far focuses on the visualization of the Acceleration Structures, which consist of Bounding Volume Hierarchies.
Game developers are responsible for creating the acceleration structures and so need a method of visualizing these acceleration structures and how they can affect performance.
RRA allows the developer to visualize the bounding box hierarchies, and related scene geometries, via a standard rasterizer renderer or using a traveral counter view which will quickly hightlight areas of concern. Once identified, the developer can revisit their BVH generation strategy to reduce performance bottlenecks.
cursive summit
Β£749.99 for 6900XT is really solid
Ngl sub-1000 for a watercooled top end GPU is also kinda nutty
junior ore
oh wait wait, with a watercooler already included? yeah thats a pretty insane price.
is it new?
ashen spindle
reminder one euro is not one pound
ashen spindle
the point is its above 1k in non-brexit currency
cursive summit
That... is still really good pricing
https://www.gizmochina.com/2022/07/25/samsung-poaches-apple-chip-specialist-to-allegedly-work-on-galaxy-exclusive-socs/ Anyways git fukd Apple 
wheat plume
No
cursive summit
Oh thank god
cursive summit
There still is a hope in this world
Tf do I know what you mean by that, I thought you flashed some fancy ass new OS on your 6A
I'm guessing you are using bluestacks or whatever
wheat plume
I found an unofficial version of twrp for my phone and installed an unofficial version of pixel experience
Got to get the files from telegram....I hope this is safe xd
I love the UI design
It's so nice
shadow minnow
Hmm ngl this UI looks quite nice
stark bobcat
I love the UI design
Ye it's pretty good first thing that really stuck out to me on the 4a
shadow minnow
The top icons arenβt just bad but the rest of the UI is better, the top icons are ok
amber marsh
gigabyte rtx 3070ti eagle - 679β¬
aorus rtx 3070ti master - 769β¬
gigabyte rtx 3070 eagle - 595β¬
aorus rtx 3070 master - 659β¬
currently still have an rx480 8gb (lmao)
not sure if i should upgrade now or wait till 40series ; mostly only play valorant lol
ryzen 7 5800x ; aorus x570 ; 16gb 3600 (might upgrade to 32); seasonic px 750 ...
build that pc january 2021 lol.. just haven't upgraded the gpu cuz they where always out of stock ..
latent mural
hmm, 30 series will do just fine for valorant
amber marsh
ye, i mean the rx480 also works.. i play lowest settings possible; consistent 500+ fps (cpu carry)
latent mural
I'd recommend 40 only if you are willing to wait a few months and play at least 1440p with good graphics
yeah, with low settings 30 series is almost overkill
amber marsh
1080p 240hz rn
amber marsh
yeah, with low settings 30 series is almost overkill
i even with a 3080 i would never play on high settings
low settings are just so much better
latent mural
yeah I completely agree
the smooth gameplay and consistent frametimes are a necessity, anything else is extra xd
amber marsh
yee xD
also high graphic settings make me feel dizzy; don't like flashy effects n stuff
aorus rtx 3060ti would be 574β¬
latent mural
I'm ordering components for my first ever build soon
amber marsh
aorus 3060 499β¬
amber marsh
I'm ordering components for my first ever build soon
nice
latent mural
I would have gone with 3070ti, but amd cards have a huge discount at my retailer rn
so rx 6750 xt it is
amber marsh
nice - here they are more expensive then nvidia
latent mural
yeah here normally as well, it's like a 100β¬ discount, couldn't have been a better timing
amber marsh
ye true
cursive summit
How massive is their metaverse department if they are reporting losses bigger than some big corps
frozen ingot
its kind of marks pet project, so far he doesn't seem to care if its finacially hopeless
mild dome
I think Marky believes his Metaverse thing IS the future, and think it will eventually pay off with a new social media platform
Too bad for him VRchat and programs like already exist
fair gull
hes a robot ofc the investment into that will be whatever it takes
reef patrol
Book. It was and is a book first. π
ashen spindle
damn the intel HDR testing device is really good https://twitter.com/IntelGraphics/status/1552413397500698624
cursive summit
All due to... stupid governments
ashen spindle
guess I'll need to get that game now so I can make sure the HDR tester worked correct as I have the same screen
wheat plume
Odd
No Android 13 Beta for 6A
ashen spindle
when was it released
wheat plume
What?
ashen spindle
the phone
wheat plume
Technically today
ashen spindle
when was the list released
ashen spindle
yes
wheat plume
Idk what these are other than different versions of the os right?
ashen spindle
idk I dont touch custom os stuff
but I imagine googling what they are is giving a quick result
wheat plume
Apparently the first one is Android 11
fair gull
dsu is dynamic system updates i believe
cursive summit
Heh
I don't think their S series is that good but, I guess they are the mainstream android brand
frozen ingot
samsungs poop
cursive summit
That they certainly are
Though the Tab S8 Ultra I have read a lot about
It's really really good 
frozen ingot
literally staring at samsung screen while typing this kek
at least assmung hasn't ruined it with too much of their software
cursive summit
SO MUCH FASTER
10 MB/s
- Lana
wheat plume
?
cursive summit
You do realize that simply running a ROM won't increase download speed
fair gull
tmw lana still doesnt use tethering
wheat plume
then why it fasteR?
cursive summit
You are literally emulating, if anything it should be worse
final flame
then why it fasteR?
probably a driver
that's the only logical idea
or your isp is just inconsistent in speeds
cursive summit
I think we are going to learn that Lana's internet is actually like 1 gigabit but she's running one of these as router
fair gull
I think we are going to learn that Lana's internet is actually like 1 gigabit bu...
shes using her phone
wheat plume
I think we are going to learn that Lana's internet is actually like 1 gigabit bu...
you know my phone is my only wifi source, right?
fair gull
ngl idk how that would work
wheat plume
it is wifi, cause I connect to the phone's hotspot over wifi
on my phone I call it the data speed
fair gull
wifi doesnt imply internet access
wheat plume
this rom uses the google shit for hotspot, its a stock rom
maybe its more optimised?
cursive summit
Imagine not using 1.1.1.1
Why use a hotspot though, get a proper 4G or 5G if available router
cursive summit
Routers don't cost that much, lad
fair gull
i thought three isnt capped
cursive summit
I had one, I know
fair gull
lana u realize u can use ur current provider in a 4g router right?
cursive summit
wheat plume
o.o
cursive summit
My data plans are fun
fair gull
yes but she said capped
just saying that this isnt the case
also lana wouldnt pay double
as she only has the big ass plan because she uses her phone as a make shift router
wheat plume
yeah, its why I picked this plan, unlimited data
cursive summit
Yeah it could be possible, perhaps even cheaper, to just get 2 separate plans on 2 different sims
cursive summit
That's not half bad
wheat plume
yeh, its a good plan for sure
cursive summit
That's including calls and sms?
fair gull
its also only unlimited in ireland
wheat plume
That's including calls and sms?
calls and texts for free to my network
texts for free to any other network
fair gull
exactly
wheat plume
i pay for calls to other networks
cursive summit
That's a fair plan
fair gull
so she can just get a cheaper plan for her phone
and get the unlimited for a 4g router
wheat plume
can get this but their signal reception is known to suck in places that are not towns and cities
wheat plume
3
cursive summit
3
wheat plume
Gomo is some independant billpay plan from a company called Gomo
fair gull
3 <:thonk:568526682110296066>
cursive summit
They literally called themselves Three
cursive summit
Tf
cursive summit
Is that even a surprise
fair gull
not really
cursive summit
Lana doesn't function, that's a well known fact
Can't say I like that carrier
The plans seem limited
Or the selection of plans
wheat plume
I do love the 18GB roaming data, I used that last month in Norway
and when we went to Romania xd
wheat plume
but do they throttle the data speed after a certain amount of data is used?
cursive summit
No?
Idk your carrier seems to heavily limit what you can actually get from them
Either get a bundle or not
Not a thing
wheat plume
I really hate those service plans
cursive summit
You people stupid or what
wheat plume
how do they know what apps you are using?
cursive summit
12 euros for unlimited data, 20x less for just specific apps
If you don't need data but want a service, they give you an option
That's actually not bad
vocal cipher
we had those service plans for spotify, which frankly makes good sense
... they monitor without a service plan too
final flame
vocal cipher
yeah
wheat plume
then if you change your phone's DNS provider, will they no longer know?
vocal cipher
even if you use vpn
wheat plume
o
ashen spindle
they own the lines your data comes through, the dns servers you use and the nodes it travels, I wonder how they could know
vocal cipher
ISP will always know what query outputted
wheat plume
right, cause the SIM card tells them
cursive summit
I mean the data itself is encrypted
wheat plume
I always forget a SIM card is a whole ass computer basically that does its own shit in the background
cursive summit
They just know where it came from and from which thing
vocal cipher
they wouldn't bother unless you are a wanted person with a warrant
but yeah, they can always trace back...
final flame
even if you use vpn
if you use a vpn they just know data is passing but just won't know what it is
cursive summit
They shouldn't know what it is in general
vocal cipher
if you use a vpn they just know data is passing but just won't know what it is
vpn should be encrypted too
and tbh they even trace back tor network
cursive summit
Data packets are always encrypted I'm pretty sure, they can just view the signature
vocal cipher
I don't know the exact details
but they can
they wouldn't automatically do that
they need to put extra effort
ashen spindle
anyway if you dont want your carrier to know what you do just dont pay for a services packages, not really hard
fair gull
ngl iTs kinda funny seeing people question how an isp know what service they use and such when the same people dont know how network packets work
cursive summit
wheat plume
I really love the HarmonyOS project :D
cursive summit
Literally stolen off of iOS
ashen spindle
thats not what he said is funny
wheat plume
iPadOS 16 finally lets you use an external display with the iPad
wooooo
lets go xd
cursive summit
I mean, service providers spying or at least knowing what you do is literally unavoidable
Pretty sure IP is made that way so you can always read where and what came through from
wheat plume
yeh, cause SIM cards are what relays the data, not the phone
cursive summit
It's more how internet works in general at the fundamentals
fair gull
Pretty sure IP is made that way so you can always read where and what came throu...
correct otherwise a router wouldnt know where to route things
vocal cipher
I might have sounded like I am certain of the things I said, which I tried to avoid, but it's not something I know exactly, just had conversations with people who I respected about the subject -- if that makes sense
fair gull
its basically like using an uber. they know where u go just not why
and onion routing is like chaining ubers to reach 1 destination
each just know a tiny bit
at the end they still dont know why even if the ubers know each other
final flame
Vpn is like taking a uber to a different place and walking the rest of the way there
cursive summit
at the end they still dont know why even if the ubers know each other
They do know who did it, though and where you reside at least
That's about it
fair gull
Vpn is like taking a uber to a different place and walking the rest of the way t...
na more like the vpn goes do shit for you and you go to the vpn
cursive summit
But they probably will rarely if ever know what you actually did yeah, but there are ways to actually break the packet seal
wheat plume
heyo m8
watta got dare???
Google Pixel Buds Pro promotion video
fair gull
But they probably will rarely if ever know what you actually did yeah, but there...
in the modern world of tls and ssl not really unless u use some ancient shit that doesnt encrypt packets
cursive summit
Pretty sure I heard that TLS had its own share of exploits
Isn't there also cases of SSL getting fucked
But yeah it's fairly secure
fair gull
ssl is older than tls1.3
and afaik tls1.3 itself doesnt really have vulns
unless u somehow downgrade the connection
like many of the tls exploits rely on
saddens me to see ssl and tls being used so interchangeably
junior ore
They'll open up if the government says so.
cursive summit
They'll open up if the government says so.
Signal: he doesn't know pepelaugh
frozen ingot
pny brand ssd, yay or nay
frozen ingot
the one am eyeballing is called cs900
frozen ingot
its for an older laptop
frozen ingot
about $87 for a 1tb
cursive summit
From amazon?
frozen ingot
nah computer store chain here
cursive summit
Idk I'd really get an 860 EVO
frozen ingot
amazon se does have a kingston a400 960gb slightly cheaper
cursive summit
Don't touch the QVO ones if you can
frozen ingot
860 evo cost the same for half the storage
cursive summit
If you can get the 860 EVO, Crucial mx500, maybe Adata SU800 or some WD Blue ones, I would trust them more
cursive summit
Ahh
You can't go wrong with the 860 or 870
Just for the love of god, not QVO
Cause judging by cs900 benchmarks, it's not that good to be fair
frozen ingot
don't really need anything super fast or lasting a decade for this application, bf just wants to fit some more games on his crappy old gaming laptop
cursive summit
I'd still go with Samsung
amber marsh
samsung ssds are usually good ; have an old 750 evo as external hard drive and 970 as main rn
cursive summit
You pay marginally more for a far more trustworthy product
frozen ingot
I threw an a2000 1tb m.2 into my desktop
cursive summit
Anything Samsung with QVO in its name is probably ass
junior ore
100 bucks for 1tb?
frozen ingot
for the right price I'd consider it
junior ore
Though yeah, my samsung solid states are still running fine.
cursive summit
MX500 is pretty much as standard as it gets
junior ore
Just avoid adata
cursive summit
Don't
Adata is fine
Their super budget stuff is crappy
But their average stuff is fine
ashen spindle
as with anything ignore brand names and look at the product itself
cursive summit
Brand name carries weight
Mostly for Samsung though
Anyways nightman MX500 is about the same price you mentioned and is a more trustworthy product than the PNY's one
ashen spindle
the local shop also has the benefit of you not having to use amazon so thats a plus
cursive summit
Amazon is as cheap as it gets
frozen ingot
I typically look at either crucial or kingston for cheaper midrange storage and its worked out fine so far
ashen spindle
yeah but amazon is also a terrible company so not using it if you have something local is good
cursive summit
When price matters, price matters
frozen ingot
amazon has a kingston 960gb slightly cheaper than that pny, but I'd prefer to avoid amazon if I can
can probably find something equivalent
cursive summit
What country are you from
frozen ingot
sweden
cursive summit
Sweden eh
frozen ingot
amazon launched here not long ago
frozen ingot
doing okay-ish I suppose but there already was plenty of competitors in their field
ebay isn't as branched out here domestically, its pretty much all international sellers
cursive summit
Most likely still cheaper than what your local chain can offer
frozen ingot
yea maybe
frozen ingot
yeah might settle for a 500gb
final flame
do any of ya'll have any experience with western digitals ssds? I was looking to get one of their external ones
cursive summit
Idk I find 500GB always low
frozen ingot
sure storage can be migrated but still don't want to splurge on a crusty old laptop
cursive summit
do any of ya'll have any experience with western digitals ssds? I was looking to...
External as in, portable?
frozen ingot
same but he thinks it'll be enough, I won't settle on that until I've exhausted all the vendor options for a 1tb tho
there's a wd blue 1tb for about $92
bit steep for a sata
wd reputable tho
cursive summit
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08F27QGHX/ref=ox_sc_act_title_5?smid=ATVPDKIK...
Ah as SSD
cursive summit
wd reputable tho
WD is a dark horse imo
Either they are best in class, or underdeliver
final flame
ik their hdds are good Just don't know about their ssds
cursive summit
Actually, I'd never get a portable HDD
So slow it's unbearable
Performance seems alright on this one
final flame
they're not bad, I have a 5tb external wd HDD, about 100MB/s
cursive summit
Hmm
Seems like it struggles with stress tasks, probably due to lack of cache
Actually the first thing I see when I open up external SSD
final flame
I have trust issues with san disk because of their flash drives
overheating and getting slower and unusable in about a month
sd cards are fine, don't know about their ssds
frozen ingot
yeah budget portable usb hdds can barely play mp3s off its drives without having to halt and read occasionally
final flame
cursive summit
WD and SanDisk seem to go toe to toe when it comes to externals
final flame
This is what I have, Haven't had issues with it
even playing mkv flac audio movies on it
cursive summit
Meh WD is fine for this price, I don't see much negatives about it
Seems that some of em failed, and it's near impossible to recover data
frozen ingot
to my experience most brands fucks up and puts out a bad run of drives on occasion
astral haven
And expecting hard drives to be reliable is just plain misguided
cursive summit
We were talking about solid states
junior ore
Hard Drives are reliable, its just a matter of lifespan and fragility. Whether it was badly manufactured is a separate matter.
But, obviously, comparing those two factors to a solid will make them look trash.
frozen ingot
ended up getting the wd blue 1tb
frozen ingot
had a decent price for the size/specs, and most pages on google results seemed to regard it favorably
cursive summit
Which one is it?
Most likely not an SN model
Those are all afaik really good but M.2 only
frozen ingot
WD Blue 3D NAND SSD 1TB 2.5"
cursive summit
Well that's a generic name
frozen ingot
WDS100T2B0A product no
frozen ingot
seems about as fast at r/w as a sata ssd gets too
cursive summit
If it hits the R/W as advertised, that's fine
@reef patrol DallE2 is honestly amazing
I have been looking up picks that were made by it, it's shocking how good AI is now at doing this sort of thing
reef patrol
I know! I've been using a Dalle2 avatar for weeks π
reef patrol
Very limited sign up list for the time being.
cursive summit
Once a day, has to be confirmed by devs, paid usage, etc
I heard that you can't prompt it specific things
And it has to be manually confirmed
Although idk the specifics
frozen ingot
apparently you can put an m.2 in these laptops but you have to hax the bios with a 3rd party version to make it support nvme protocol
astral haven
Hard Drives are reliable, its just a matter of lifespan and fragility. Whether...
That is absolutely a lie
ashen spindle
I mean if you look at the backblaze stats, there are a lot of 0 failure drives, they just have an age of a month and not longer
junior ore
That is absolutely a lie
Not a lie, it is a matter of life span and fragility for it is mechanical in nature. Wear and tear. It's reliable in the short term if there isn't a manufacture defect and not mishandled.
cursive summit
It's also known that if you as much as drop the thing, or really any kind of shock would kinda fuck it
SSDs are far more reliable
junior ore
it could, yeah. though recover is possible even if damaged.
I agree
SSDs are far better
cursive summit
Then again
Why are we talking about mechanical hard drives, the talk was about solid states
frozen ingot
the first gens of SSDs were quite dodgy tho
junior ore
it's about relative perspective here. There's nothing wrong with a hard drive in terms of it's usability and functionality within the appropriate usage and time span. But, yes, the life span is no where near as long as a solid state.
astral haven
the first gens of SSDs were quite dodgy tho
*consumer
frozen ingot
coonsoom product
true quest
junior ore
certainly wont be playing games at that resolution though, except for menus or such
ashen spindle
huh
cursive summit
huh
thick elk
It's just Sony being a Japanese company, and japan doesn't know the pc market all, nor do they know about people hooking consoles up to monitors.
A hardware limitation would make little sense.
astral haven
certainly wont be playing games at that resolution though, except for menus or s...
Default render resolution for checkerboarding is 1800p
astral haven
A hardware limitation would make little sense.
'specially considering it's a Navi video engine
chrome estuary
I would be happy for 1440p since my main monitor is 1440p144
ashen spindle
well its a custom thing maybe they just didn't add chuks that were needed idk
like its some rdna1-3 mash and not regular apu
thick elk
As far as I know most gpu's can basically output at arbitrary resolutions / refresh rates as long the bandwidth checks out.
astral haven
Yep it's just pixel clock
formal vortex
https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-i7-13700k-and-core-i5-13600k-tested-highe...
244w .. they have lost their mind 
cursive summit
So many pings today
ashen spindle
that's basically just the same tdp as alder lake so nothing really changed
ashen spindle
no 244 is the peak
and its during a stress test that is not something you ever run unless you do simulation work or similar
formal vortex
something high end like be quiet dark rock pro 4 has theoretical 250w tdp. that shit will be 95 degrees most of the time
ashen spindle
in what workload
cursive summit
I kinda hate that I'm forced to get at least an 800W PSU for this and ever more so, next GPU and CPU gen
ashen spindle
in games you wil pull like 100w more like
formal vortex
and btw i was talking about the 13700k .. 12700k has 190w tdp
13700k is given with 244
ashen spindle
and 12900k has like 245 or so
formal vortex
241 vs 253
ashen spindle
also the 12700 is 8+4, the 13700 is 8+8 cores
formal vortex
probs needs an AIO now to be cooled
like a beefy one
and it will still thermal throttle
ashen spindle
again, not when you are gaming
formal vortex
who buys a 16-24core cpu to just game?
astral haven
Me
formal vortex
im absolutely baffled by these numbers
astral haven
Tho I also just bought a 4 core CPU just to game
ashen spindle
there, single thread doesnt even reach 100w without OC
like yea its funny memes but PL2 value is not the average power draw lol
astral haven
The long term power limit is exactly equal to the tdp
It only uses more power in short bursts
So technically the tdp isn't a complete lie unlike amd...
ashen spindle
its even better than amd in some cases for gaming
thick elk
It wouldn't surprise me if in a future system I will downclock my cpu / gpu. You can save a lot of power for farily little performance loss.
astral haven
Very little average
But you do lose alot in the percentiles...
thick elk
thing is frequency does not scale linearly with power so a small decrease can have a significant effect on power / noice
astral haven
Yes
But if you are setting clocks (which is what you need to do with amd or Intel) you lose out quite a lot on max clocks
And if you limit power directly the frame times hurt baaaad
Hopefully both will start providing offset clocks
And improve their boost algs
ashen spindle
hahahahah oh god poor intel
Intel Q2 2022 Earnings Are a Disaster as Revenue and EPS Miss by Double-digit Percent
15 minutes till earnings call, this gonna be fun
astral haven
Oh what a disaster they will make less money this quarter than amd made last year
What a disaster /s
ashen spindle
well the stock is tanking hard
astral haven
Yea Intel is throwing short term investors under the bus
thick elk
Time scales matter here
ashen spindle
the problem is they have been doing that for a while and as much as I agree with that being the right strategy so far its not paying off
yes thats today
astral haven
the problem is they have been doing that for a while and as much as I agree with...
That's not true
Gelsinger was put in place about a year ago
ashen spindle
after market hours are only shown in the daily trend
astral haven
The semi product cycle is 5 years long
thick elk
I do expect intel to spin off its foundry business in time.
ashen spindle
for comparison its the lowest its been at for >1 year
astral haven
Yea
ashen spindle
2017 was the last time it was lower
astral haven
When you kick out a financial > engineering person the stock will go down
thick elk
Also to make matters worse you are looking at it in euro's
so the drop of the euro also factors in in the other direction
ashen spindle
ehh not really
thick elk
It definitely matters looking at the two imo
astral haven
It doubled the drop...
ashen spindle
I guess, but in terms of when it was last that low its same timeframe more of less
the one day view was dollars btw
shadow minnow
Why do I get eye strain from my 27β monitor after one hour while my MacBook or phone are okay for even entire day
ashen spindle
mild dome
Why do I get eye strain from my 27β monitor after one hour while my MacBook or p...
Too much blue?
shadow minnow
Why would it be any different from any other monitor? But gonna try mode to reduce blue