🔌│tech

[astral haven]

No

[stark bobcat]

hifiman cables are also the bottom of the barrel so that doesnt say much

[cursive summit]

That's why that comparison was made...

[astral haven]

But the cable rubbing on the edge of my desk sounds like someone is caressing my eardrum with cotton

It's distinctly unpleasant

[cursive summit]

Ahh cause it's one of those shielded cables?

I really like that to be fair

[astral haven]

🤷 dunno

It's not braided and it's solid rubber coated

[cursive summit]

Huh

[astral haven]

It just transmits vibrations almost as well as electricity

[cursive summit]

That's kinda weird

Well I only ever use my closed back when going to sleep

So I don't move that much

And rarely mid-day

[astral haven]

I've noticed it in bed too...

[cursive summit]

But I love the 702s all too much to use closed backs

[astral haven]

Also it's a hotswap cable so you can fix the problem with money

[cursive summit]

I have a bit of an AKG addiction for now, been thinking of 872s, 712 Pros

712 Pros definitely look like an upgrade since they are essentially 702s with a better driver

The sound might be inferior I heard, but with an EQ it should be just better 702s

[astral haven]

Tbh it hasn't bothered me enough to actually bother switching cables so it must not be that bad practically

Oh and I'm a super sweaty boi and the ndh20 don't actually cause ear sweat
Dunno how but they aren't actually that hot

[cursive summit]

Likewise

Also I have far too many earwax issues

My earwax generation is like 10 humans combined

One of the main issues why I hate IEMs

[astral haven]

Ya
I go through qtips like mad to keep my ears and iems cleanish

[stark bobcat]

u re not supposed to use qtips

[cursive summit]

Glue the phones to your head

[astral haven]

You just don't want to push the earwax in and it's kinda hard to do

If you are careful and follow good instructions, it's ez to clean your ears

[cursive summit]

I don't use qtips

I have this japanese ear spoon

It goes in deep and can scrape off all the things really easily, from outer to inner ear

Extremely effective

Worst thing: I have to do it daily basically

[cursive summit]

https://neurosciencenews.com/ai-mental-health-21092/

[cursive summit]

https://www.techpowerup.com/297148/lg-launches-curved-49-inch-5120x1440-display-with-144-hz-refresh-rate

[cursive summit]

https://mobile.twitter.com/kopite7kimi/status/1551619750572457984

kopite7kimi (@kopite7kimi)

"the beast"
PG137-SKU0
AD102-450-A1
18176FP32
48G 24Gbps GDDR6X
total board power ~800W

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Twitter · Jul 25, 2022, 5:25 PM

What the fuck

Are these specs

This isn't no RTX this is a full fledged super Titan

https://www.theregister.com/2022/07/25/mediatek_chooses_intel_not_foundry/

[mild dome]

I had a thought, what if manufacturer's are upping TDP to account for power spikes? It's been an issue for a while that graphics cards will have sudden and massive power spikes (up to 3 times baseline) that have a tendency to trip overcurrent protection (or drain the capacitors) of PSUs. Although GPU manufacturers have always blamed PSUs for not following spec I imagine they might just give up, and just say "Yeah make sure you got a 1000W power supply to handle power spikes"

but I ain't no genius expert man on silicone corn chips

[astral haven]

LOL

[slow garnet]

Can anyone explain to me how mdadm fixes I/O errors? I have setup dm-integrity below it (as this is apparently supposed to resolve bit rot, as per RedHat's documentation), yet, after purposefully corrupting a couple bytes on a drive, it does not seem to want to correct the error (sync), even if it detects it (mismatch_cnt is > 0, I/O error trying to read it, dmesg complains). This is RAID 1, which from what I've read should be supported.

[astral haven]

how could it possibly fix an error in raid 1?

[slow garnet]

My understanding from reading the documentation is that it would return an error, which in turn would tell the array to resolve it by taking the other information from the other drives. Or at least, that's my understanding.

dmesg clearly shows that corruption has occurred, instantly (after editing a drive's data). integritysetup returns failures, yet mismatch_cnt returns 0 until a check is done. However, there is no repair done (echo repair). Either I'm completely misunderstanding how the hell this is supposed to work, or I've fucked it up.

[astral haven]

how would it tell which drive is the one that errored

[slow garnet]

I don't know. Regardless it seems the documentation is misleading. I've found something on a mailing list that appears to make sense now.
https://listman.redhat.com/archives/dm-devel/2017-September/032229.html

Or well, makes sense until I actually try it.

[astral haven]

the long story short is raid 1 doesnt do that

[slow garnet]

Well clearly the documentation is full of shit then.

[astral haven]

?

where does it say that you can correct media errors in raid 1?

[slow garnet]

One sec.

"For this, data should be stored multiple times, for example with dm-integrity directly on top of disks, and on top of that RAID1."
https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/what-bit-rot-and-how-can-i-detect-it-rhel
My english must suck ass if I'm not understanding this correctly.

[astral haven]

"Detecting bit rot solves half the problem - but it's more than half of the work. What's left is to build an automated way to use RAID to fix corrupted data by using a known good copy (that is, one with a valid checksum) to recreate the corrupted segments on a different part of the disk. This part is still being worked on, with Red Hat and in the upstream communities."

[slow garnet]

Right, and my understanding is that by forcing a check, that mdadm or whatever the hell it's called anymore would resolve it.

dm-raid, whatever.

[astral haven]

"This part is still being worked on"

[slow garnet]

https://gist.github.com/MawKKe/caa2bbf7edcc072129d73b61ae7815fb
So I must be retarded as hell then, right?

[astral haven]

I have no idea what you are trying to say

[slow garnet]

I'm saying I'm a fucking retard here, or that the documentation on this is so fucking poor that my understanding of it is worse than an apple.

Either way, I'm trying something else right now, and will see if I get what I'm thinking of.

[astral haven]

whenever you are dealing with linux, the documentation will be a very large weakpoint

[slow garnet]

Yeah, I don't disagree there.

It's unfortunate since sometimes the documentation can be great, but for most niche stuff or commercial stuff that has been integrated into the kernel or even software, it's null.

[astral haven]

low effort linux venn diagram

[slow garnet]

Too true.

[crimson wigeon]

JuSt UsE bTrFs

[slow garnet]

I would, if I hadn't already gotten bitten by it :/

[slow garnet]

Ok so far, it seems like (although I am not certain), that by setting up dm-integrity on the devices, and then using them (when opened) as devices for mdadm, protects against bitrot. Or so it seems. I'll have to test it further.

Hexediting a device returns two instances of the hex search (something identifiable), and even if both are replaced with bogus data (and sync'd afterwards), I still receive clean data on the mounted dm-raid. Upon running a check (via echo check), dmesg states that a checksum failed, and upon hexediting the device again, both instances of the hex that was previously searched have returned. I'm not entirely sure how mdadm was able to determine which device had the correct information and which one didn't, considering there are only two devices.

Even if echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches is done after hex editing, some bloody how mdadm is still able to tell which disk contains the right information, and I'm still able to access the file without I/O errors or bogus information. What fucking wizardy/sorcery is this?!

[slow garnet]

Ok so, as far as I can tell, by extraordinary luck, the two hexes were a complete coincidence. If both drives have bit rot on the same exact file, the file is lost. No I/O error occurs, but the chances of both drives having bit rot at the same exact locations at the same time are likely almost null, and dmesg complains, which is good enough for me. If I had to guess, the overall look of how this works is something along these lines:

I'm also assuming that dm-integrity in turns eats some of the available space of the device, but likely it is minimal (just hashes). So bit rot can be defended against (without btrfs or ZFS), but the documentation for this type of shit is null.

Regardless, success. Fuck FOSS

[pale sigil]

@ICantActuallyJoinDiscord#3890 morning

[pale sigil]

Wtf I can't tag you

[shadow minnow]

Hmm 12GB 3080 I wanted with waterblock included for less than 1000€

But next gen

But what if next gen not better

Hard to decide

And how long till the waterblock version I want is out

Well if I am ever getting a this gen GPU it’s now or I am getting next gen

So

Opinions please

[pale sigil]

Don't do it

[shadow minnow]

Why?

[pale sigil]

Wait for next gen

Plus you never use it anyway

[shadow minnow]

Well rn I would use it

And well

[pale sigil]

Rn for a very little amount of time

Prices will go down

[shadow minnow]

Well I don’t think it will go lower than this

[wheat plume]

If the lockscreen ads that Google are planning to add to android arrive
Then I'mma switch back to a fucking flip phone

Imagine you are in a situation where you need to quickly access your phone but nope! The ads on your lock screen say differently and you got to wait 5 seconds to unlock your phone so you can skip the ads

[frozen ingot]

laughs in iphone

[formal vortex]

maybe on cheap subsidized phones, similar to what amazon is doing with their Fire tablets. No way they will put this on any flagships

[wheat plume]

No....
They are

[ashen spindle]

the ads that so far in any render have been ads that you see on parts of the lockscreen? the ones that dont make you wait 5 seconds to unlock?

[wheat plume]

They take the entire screen from renders I've seen

[formal vortex]

well then its good i switched to an iphone after all these years 🙂

[wheat plume]

Those are the Samsung ones right?

Not the ones Google want to add

[ashen spindle]

idk its a google result about it

even if its the entire screen, how tf did you arrive to having to wait to unlock

most ads on sites/apps are not like on youtube

[wheat plume]

It also suggests that the subsidiary is evidently in talks with the carriers in the U.S for new collaborations. It is aiming to launch smartphone models by next month, the report implies, citing sources familiar with the matter. The report also suggests that the service is focusing on developing a "premium product" for the U.S. market, implying that most people pay for digital services in general.

Hmm.....
Working with carriers makes sense I guess

[frozen ingot]

imagine paying like a grand for a flagship device and still getting cucked by ads

[wheat plume]

THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE A GOOD THING LOL

The service utilizes AI to offer a personalized experience in replacing your dead-looking lock screen with local relevant news, stories, or casual games, for that matter.

[shadow minnow]

Ngl that just looks annoying

[wheat plume]

Do they play audio too??

Will you get blasted with generic music and overly enthusiastic ad narration whenever you wake your phone?

[formal vortex]

amazon fire tablet has lockscreen ads, its not bad. but i wouldnt accept it on a flagship phone

[final flame]

*blasted with NCS music

[shadow minnow]

No matter how easy they are to skip or if they play music it’s just dumb

Like if they tell you in advance and it’s a cheap phone

But if they add it to phones people already own

[final flame]

candyland by tobu starts playing

[shadow minnow]

Time for more people to join the apple cult

[wheat plume]

Every fucking ad in Ireland uses generic guitar music or a song with whistling in it

[final flame]

https://youtu.be/IhchfhxvPKI

[ashen spindle]

again, not every ad is a youtube video ad, in fact I would bet most are not and dont even have sounds

[formal vortex]

yeah the lockscreen ads have no sound

and they arent videos either

its some html slides

[shadow minnow]

Well yes but it’s annoying unless it’s only on new devices where you clearly know it’s gonna be there in advance

[ashen spindle]

and where have I said anything about them not being annoying?

[shadow minnow]

Where have I said you said it’s not annoying?
Just saying more in general

[ashen spindle]

all I'm saying is they wont be your unskipable youtube ad

[shadow minnow]

Yeah, I mean, better than if you couldn’t unlock your phone until 15 second ad is over

[wheat plume]

They are still Fullscreen ads

You got to click out of them to unlock your phone

[shadow minnow]

Oh you wanted to call emergency services? Please watch this 30 second ad first or purchase Android premium (/s)

[ashen spindle]

or the unlock is simply above the ad layer so nothing changes aside from you seeing the ad

[wheat plume]

I hope that one's the case

Imagine trying to tap a very small x to close the ad .-.

[ashen spindle]

idk I dont care I just dont go around complaining about a fact that I dont know is a fact

[wheat plume]

Still shouldn't be happening

Especially if it's a flagship phone

[wheat plume]

if they are talking about the setting I think they are, why would it get removed???

This one

[formal vortex]

https://youtu.be/JXhT13oZchA?t=272 hall effect joysticks for a steamdeck

[wheat plume]

uwu

[cedar stag]

I recently bought the Gameball trackball, this basically has become my main desktop mouse.

[cursive summit]

Oh lord it's been years since the last time I heard Candyland

[cedar stag]

it's the tutorial song

[cursive summit]

Eh

For what

[cedar stag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKfS5zVfGBc this was another song I clearly remember used

[cursive summit]

What are we talking about wtf

[cedar stag]

okay, let me make a picture real quick

this?

[cursive summit]

Ah weird youtube tutorials

Yeah I don't remember watching those

[cedar stag]

I always liked how cluttered people's desktops were and you would sometimes see them using rainmeter or custom cursors.
If you are really lucky you came across a full riced windwos system.
Now the jackpot ws custom cursors, taskbar, desktop

[final flame]

or typing in notepad with the zoomed in text

[cursive summit]

I might be guilty for one of those

[cedar stag]

and the spelling miskates, dont forget them. Plus the person typing would be doing it REALLY slow.

I remember seeing a few people do tutorials with a desktop like this. You know who you are.

[wheat plume]

🤔

this is hideous

nano > vim
;)

jk lol

[cursive summit]

That looks ass

Is that Win Vista?

The weird secondary toolbar in the lower centre reminds me the weird ones Vista had

[cedar stag]

meanwhile me with my desktop

[final flame]

I still barely understand how to use vim, Just a skill issue ig

[cursive summit]

Korzina?

[cedar stag]

Да

[cursive summit]

That's not russian is it?

Ukrainian?

[cedar stag]

It is Russin.

[cursive summit]

Ah

Fair enough

Izvinite

[cedar stag]

before you ask, I play CS:GO

[cursive summit]

I can assume so

Tanks?

2 russian gamer stereotypes: they like their shooters, and they like their tanks

[wheat plume]

my desktop

[cursive summit]

(Even though russian tanks are genuinely ass)

[cedar stag]

no

[cursive summit]

Fair enough

Too many russians play mir tankov

[cedar stag]

I do not play tarkov. The games I play most are: CS:GO, Xonotic, Quake 4, Unreal Tournament 99, Splitgate, Space engineers, Factorio, Mindustry and a few others

[cursive summit]

Well I have to ask

Shto vy dumaete ob voinu v ukraine

[wheat plume]

I need to play Splitgate more, its so fun

[cedar stag]

I don't care about the outcome, I just want the sanctions lifted because I do want to come back to Russia eventually.

[cursive summit]

I suppose that's fair

[misty saffron]

literally nobody calls it that

[cursive summit]

I mean it's prolly just WoT

[misty saffron]

no it’s just tanks

[cursive summit]

Too broad

[misty saffron]

no

[cursive summit]

Multiple games are included in that category

Thunder, WoT

[cedar stag]

there are two version of tanks, also some Russian players play warface and calibr

[misty saffron]

war thunder is war thunder

[cursive summit]

Did you just mention caliber?

Russians actually play kalibr?

[cedar stag]

yes, that beta game by 1C

[cursive summit]

I thought that game died

[cedar stag]

I happen to work as a AC dev so I know more about this game than I want to

[misty saffron]

i wonder how shit their eac build is

[cedar stag]

because of my job I found out about and got to play games like Gears 5, BF2042 and world war 3

[cursive summit]

I am very sorry for your dusha

[cedar stag]

last time I checked they did not implement heartbeat so you can just kill the AC process and have fun since server trusts anything client sends to it

[wheat plume]

LOL GG

[cedar stag]

LCAA hovercraft be like: walls go brrr

[misty saffron]

lmao eft did the same when they migrated to unity 2019

they only checked for ac at launch

forgot to comment out heartbeat shit i guess?

https://www.unknowncheats.me/forum/escape-from-tarkov/481919-battleyent-play-offline-raids-battleye-live-version.html

[cedar stag]

EFT uses BE

[misty saffron]

yes

[cedar stag]

RS6 did the same thing sometime

[misty saffron]

i was surprised after somebody posted that you can play online without be running at all

[cedar stag]

you will be surprised what people in games go to and try to break the game

[misty saffron]

i won’t

[cedar stag]

splitgate players getting themselves stuck in the map with the objective be like: free vicotry

[cedar stag]

remember when EA (respawn) forgot to list the launcher as a protected binary so people were renaming the client binary and blatantly aimbotting in apex?

[shadow minnow]

Well I would disagree with not caring about outcome of such a thing being fair

[final flame]

Burrito icon

[misty saffron]

too many companies kept fucking up like that i lost track

[cedar stag]

IKR

bruh p2w af

maybe I should put in the money and do a little bit of trolling

[fair gull]

i dont speak spanish im sorry

[empty wren]

Cyrillic*

[ashen spindle]

sarcasm*

[empty wren]

never heard of it sorry

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/SMZt2PHv3fk

[final flame]

https://youtube.com/watc?v=SMZt2PHv3fk

[wheat plume]

xd

[vocal cipher]

is that some message that gets to your subconscious? Am I gonna do something bad?

[fair gull]

next time u link https://old.reddit.com/r/dankmemes/comments/w68nhm/dont_enter_the_link/ihdqlm9/ and i dont have to watch some video for a 20second read

[wheat plume]

he explains how it happens in the video too

and shows off glitch channels

[fair gull]

ok i dont see how its a rabbithole

[misty saffron]

there’s somebody in comments who explained it most believably

[fair gull]

basically a longer explanation of what i linked

or more spaced

[ashen spindle]

tl;dr: changing argument strings causes different behaviour

[fair gull]

so i dont see a rabbithole here at all

idk why this is worth an 11min vid

also curiously stretched to over 10mins

for that sweet ad revenue

tldr people dont understand how yt works

[vocal cipher]

it's more fun when you don't know how it happens

[reef patrol]

Just looked at my IP reservation list on my router.

My new phone has over a hundred entries.

... because I forgot to turn off random MAC on my wifi.

[shadow minnow]

[fair gull]

i have random mac on but its per wifi

[misty saffron]

uhhh

why would it create a reservation automatically

[fair gull]

dynamic leases are also reservations

just not static ones

[astral haven]

They are called leases not reservations

[fair gull]

u see

static leases are also leases

[misty saffron]

what

[wheat plume]

UwU

2 devices connected over KDE Connect

[reef patrol]

Because of a little something called DHCP and me setting my network up to always hard-reserve. Cause it's password locked 😄

But since the phone HAS the code and generates a new MAC every time I come and leave... well

[misty saffron]

another question is why your rom’s developer thought random mac addresses every time is beneficial

[reef patrol]

Anonymity.

[astral haven]

That's stock android now afaik

[misty saffron]

one mac address per network is already anonymous

[astral haven]

Nope

[reef patrol]

What? No it isn't.

[astral haven]

You can then correlate the user with the Mac address by the time they arrive on prem

[reef patrol]

If I connect to a public wifi in say a big supermarket with the same MAC over and over, that's a GREAT way to track my shopping patterns.

[misty saffron]

so, they know when somebody goes to a supermarket

[reef patrol]

Welcome to the modern world of shadow profiles and patterns.

[astral haven]

The same person

[misty saffron]

i don’t see how this could be useful

[reef patrol]

This is literally how Facebook and everyone else operates. What they can't track directly, they track and correlate indirectly.

[misty saffron]

yes but what does arrival and departure time give you though

[reef patrol]

This is just one of a million examples.

[misty saffron]

of somebody whom you can’t track

outside of that given supermarket, that is

i really don’t see how this could be used

[reef patrol]

Because you CAN track them.

[astral haven]

Even if you use cash they can then correlate your shopping habits via checkout time

[misty saffron]

well, the shop might as well use cameras in checkout zone then 😛

[astral haven]

They do

But a picture of you doesn't really matter much

[misty saffron]

random mac addresses each time is too much for too little

[reef patrol]

It's literally automatic and a simple part of the fight for anonymity.

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-shrug-idk-i-dont-know-elmo-gif-16565594

Apple does it too.

[misty saffron]

no, apple is per network

[astral haven]

It's beyond easy to implement and only has downsides for businesses trying to track you

[reef patrol]

Oh now we're getting into dumb pedantic shit I see 😄

[misty saffron]

too bad free wifi landing pages force you to disable that

[reef patrol]

Enjoy.

[astral haven]

That is incorrect

[crimson wigeon]

Why would you connect to random open networks anyway

[astral haven]

By default it will randomize per connection attempt

[misty saffron]

that is the behavior i’ve noticed

if you want anonymity you just don’t connect to public wifi

we live in a world of fucking malls having cell towers on them

but then again, you’ll just have cameras with facial recognition doing a great (and much better) job tracking you

[astral haven]

The reason I know that's not the default behavior is that at work we have had alot of problems
So we use radius, and users will use their domain password to sign in
That means that users can lock their account by attempting too many times to log into WiFi (security requirement)

Users will save their passwords, but their password is required to change every 90 days

So the phone has an old password, makes 3 connection attempts and locks their account.
Because of that we set up a system that notifies us when that happens so we may quickly Mac ban the devices and stop them from calling in to unlock their account.

After the release of ios 15 I think it was, they changed the default behavior to new Mac daily and a dozen users would get their account locked daily and there was nothing we could do about it really

[misty saffron]

so it’s a new mac address daily if no connection attempt was successful

i mean, that’s practically still one mac address per network

[astral haven]

Nope

It's a new Mac address per day

[misty saffron]

oh i’m seeing it

“forget network” resets the mac address

[astral haven]

It requires no user interaction and the mac address will automatically change

[misty saffron]

not what apple says

In some cases, your device will change its private Wi-Fi address:
If you erase all content and settings or reset network settings on the device, your device uses a different private address the next time it connects to that network.
Starting with iOS 15, iPadOS 15, and watchOS 8, if your device hasn’t joined the network in 6 weeks, it uses a different private address the next time it connects to that network. And if you make your device forget the network, it will also forget the private address it used with that network, unless it has been less than 2 weeks since the last time it was made to forget that network.

[astral haven]

Oh wow apple is lying about privacy settings what a shocker /s

[misty saffron]

uhm.. why would they lie about the behavior of this out of everything

also, might wanna use this at work: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT211949

[astral haven]

My work phones mac address has changed multiple times and the phone is connected to the private connection that doesn't use radius

[astral haven]

It's not a problem for company devices
The problem is for personal devices...

[misty saffron]

i don’t think my reservation by mac address ever stopped working

[fair gull]

samsung is also per wifi network

[misty saffron]

at least before i pressed on forget network, lol

[fair gull]

my static lease also still works for my phone

[astral haven]

Because it is legacy adopted into your phone

It probably will start changing your Mac address alot more frequently now that you have forgotten and readded it

[misty saffron]

i changed my ssid like 2 months ago

[astral haven]

🤷‍♀️

[misty saffron]

when i found out apple lets me use cyrillic in ssids

the fucking stupid smart bulbs don’t though, had to create a guest network for them which is i guess a good idea

[astral haven]

If I knew how to type that out I could probably exactly pinpoint your location now

[misty saffron]

pionerskaya 16

i’m kinda lonely anyways

[fair gull]

1 quick google search and i read that the daily randomization was a beta thing

[astral haven]

🤷‍♀️ I don't own an iPhone, I only have the work phone
That work phone isn't allowed to receive beta updates only full releases that are whitelisted
And it has changed Mac address on our wifi

Maybe it's because it sees the same wifi network in multiple locations?

[misty saffron]

well, for the work phone you can also disable it in the mdm profile

[astral haven]

Don't need to because the apple mdm devices are on their own private network

[slow garnet]

Morning to you too. I was awake way, way, wayyy too late.

[cedar stag]

this is Russian

[ashen spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-dumb-you-gif-8906255

[cursive summit]

https://www.macrumors.com/2022/07/26/apple-replaces-intel-component-in-macbook-air/

[reef patrol]

Sad state

[crisp granite]

nice

wait that means my 14" MBP 2021 has some intel parts

[cursive summit]

I would much rather have Intel than Apple parts

Intel's tech is not bad

Most of it is just their owned companies anyways

[shadow minnow]

And what’s so bad about apple tech?

Hateboy

[cursive summit]

It's rarely ever compatible with non apple devices

It's pretty damn bad

Also I kinda doubt it's as good as Intel's anyways

[ashen spindle]

the bad part about apple tech is that it is made to only really work inside the apple ecosystem without any benefit coming from it

[cursive summit]

Shush fanboy

I did a little bit of research on your favourite apple dongle

Apparently not only they scuffed the european version

The proper one doesn't even work in half android devices properly

Some peeps are reporting really shit volumes on it

Not to mention from what I heard Apple's dongle apparently takes over your device's volume settings or something

[shadow minnow]

Well idk about the apple dongle

[cursive summit]

So you are at the mercy of the dongle for good volume

[shadow minnow]

Many people say it’s good but I don’t, I don’t use it

[cursive summit]

And half of the time it won't work on anything not apple

[shadow minnow]

Maybe used it once in my life or twice

[cursive summit]

Also it's not even that great compared to other dongles

Samsung, Google etc and many others have as good and as cheap dongs so yeah

[shadow minnow]

But I use other apple devices and really can’t convince me m1 pro isn’t good

[cursive summit]

I couldn't care less if M1 Pro is good or not

Don't care, don't need it

Now I'm wondering why did Qualcomm fuck up Snapdragon 8 gen 1 so much

[shadow minnow]

Couldn’t even make it perform as good as apple SOCs

[cursive summit]

Look at you mr. proprietary hardware

[shadow minnow]

I don’t care really but I do see how it sucks for many

But since apart from gaming I only use apple devices

Doesn’t affect me much

[cursive summit]

It's an unfriendly ecosystem from an unfriendly company

Frankly I don't really care so whatever

I don't even like half the android companies

[shadow minnow]

Well it’s not like other companies were much better lol

[cursive summit]

Was about to say

[shadow minnow]

Companies are companies I am afraid and with public companies hard to find exceptions

[cursive summit]

Is Sony's divisions separated from one another I wonder

[ashen spindle]

doesnt change the fact you wont find any other company making it locked to one ecosystem so hard

[shadow minnow]

Yes but some are worse in other ways so it depends

[cursive summit]

Cause for some reason Sony phone division is pretty good compared to things like sony consoles

LG is also separated, they closed down their phones business, but their panels manufacturing is doing god's work

[shadow minnow]

I just like the convenience that comes with apple ecosystem so other devices being less compatible than norm doesn’t affect me tbh that’s why I never cared too much myself

To be fair I wanted to switch from apple devices more

Wanted to get a windows laptop too

But changed my mind

[ashen spindle]

all the convenience could still exist without them locking down stuff is the point

[cursive summit]

I really don't get what can you do with Apple that you can't do with virtually any other device

[shadow minnow]

Yes I am not saying it couldn’t

[cursive summit]

That sounds like a 2015 mentality

[shadow minnow]

I am just saying it being locked down doesn’t affect me much that’s why I still get the devices, but I see why some don’t get it for that reason

[cursive summit]

Android has progressed a lot since then, as have other hardware sectors

I sincerely doubt other than raw performance apple does anything else better than competitors

[shadow minnow]

Well what does raw performance mean

Does that include efficiency

[cursive summit]

Even their raw performance is half marketing, stuff has to be written specifically for apple's hardware to even meet their fancy numbers

[shadow minnow]

Battery life

Or speakers?

[cursive summit]

I still remember something like Tomb Raider running on like 20 FPS before it got a specific apple optimized port and then it could run in like 100+ FPS

It's predatorious and unfriendly to developers to ask of them specifically to optimize stuff just for their hardware

As if devs don't have like a 1000 and 1 things already to take care of

[stark bobcat]

M1 chip is pretty impressive in perf per watt and in apple optimised apps performs incredibly

I can see why people would want it

[shadow minnow]

Ngl apple laptops pre m1 I had very bad experience with

Now my only complaint is app compatibility

[stark bobcat]

Well they still have plenty of things I find horrendous like replacement chips not being available for 3rd party repair companies

[cursive summit]

I don't like my foreign hardware in my Apple stuff
But I don't like the apps being incompatible either

[shadow minnow]

I mean so far I luckily didn’t need getting anything repaired

[cursive summit]

Why can't we just have a consortium of sorts to make a single unified ecosystem at this point

[shadow minnow]

I don’t mind foreign hardware

[stark bobcat]

When it comes to right to repair apple is absolutely the worst

[shadow minnow]

I just wouldn’t call it better just because it’s not apple

[ashen spindle]

m1/2 gave them a one time leap in efficency, you can already see they are stagnating if you look at what the m2 does over the m1 so worst case it might be back to x86 on apple laptops in a few years so its just a mess

[cursive summit]

I want snapdragon to kick Apple's ass for once

Tf are they doing

Why are Qualcomm's yields so average

[shadow minnow]

Well yes but I mean in general also the new display and speakers that came on MacBook pros are great. And even if the efficiency doesn’t last for next gens, rn it’s very useful for me.
Apparently the speakers are the best from any laptop.

[stark bobcat]

Idk I think Qualcomm is just mid

[shadow minnow]

And also I have to admit the HDMI and SD card being added back is nice

Used both recently

[cursive summit]

Ngl at this point something like Unisoc, Mediatek or Kirin might even overtake Snapdragon soon

[stark bobcat]

Also apple is always going for bleeding edge process nodes so they get a nice boost there

[cursive summit]

Leeching off of TSMC cause their own plants suck

[stark bobcat]

I don't think apple has any ambitions in the fab territory

[ashen spindle]

apple would be stupid to make their own fab

[cursive summit]

Apple is no longer tied to Arm right?

They make their own stuff now

[ashen spindle]

are you drunk

[stark bobcat]

?

[shadow minnow]

Yes

[stark bobcat]

They still use arm ip

[cursive summit]

Didn't they move off of ARM chiplets

[stark bobcat]

And will continue to do so

[ashen spindle]

what are you talking about

[pale sigil]

aren't they one of the reasons nvidia x arm got blocked

[ashen spindle]

nope

[stark bobcat]

No

[pale sigil]

Apple be no happy along with other companies in protest

[stark bobcat]

They make their own arm designs

[ashen spindle]

apple have an core arm license they dont care what happens to arm the company

[stark bobcat]

Also chiplet is a specific term that doesn't just mean chips

[shadow minnow]

Well soemetimes. But they codeveloped the tb standard with Intel and few more companies

[ashen spindle]

what

he was talking about the arm nvidia deal

[shadow minnow]

Oh nvm I misread that

[cursive summit]

Like what I meant is. something like Snapdragon 8 gen 1, Dimensity or Exynos uses ARM's Cortex

And I was wondering if Android perf is handicapped by ARM's core tech cause Apple makes their own

[shadow minnow]

Apple uses more customized arm stuff afaik but still arm

[stark bobcat]

This

[cursive summit]

Like yeah the microarchitecture is definitely Arm but I don't think it's tied to what CPUs can Arm themselves produce

Unlike Android stuff

Which is why it's been overtaken recently by a country mile

[ashen spindle]

qualcom, snapdragon etc. could also all do what apple does

[stark bobcat]

Indeed

[ashen spindle]

apple just had better engineers and didnt have to make it a chip that works for everyhing and their mother, just for their few products

[pale sigil]

@slow garnet help me fix my arch issue

error: kdiskmark: signature from "farseerfc <[e-mail]>" is marginal trust
:: File /var/cache/pacman/pkg/kdiskmark-2.3.0-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst is corrupted (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature)).
Do you want to delete it? [Y/n] y
error: failed to commit transaction (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature))
Errors occurred, no packages were upgraded.
^[[Aerror installing repo packages

[slow garnet]

I haven't used it in years

[pale sigil]

tf do you use now

[ashen spindle]

no excuse, go fix it

[slow garnet]

Gentoo.. I've been using it for over 4/5 years now. Regardless, from what I can tell, your signatures are fucked, or you're trying to install something that requires an additional signature.

I'll look into seeing if I can guide you but I really have not used it in years.

[pale sigil]

this shit worked fine before steam os update

[slow garnet]

https://archived.forum.manjaro.org/t/issues-with-signature-is-marginal-trust-or-invalid-or-corrupted-package/33268

Yeah well welcome to the world of Linux

Or just operating systems in general

The less you update, the less shit breaks in general.

Anyway try that. Ignore the manjaro shit if the steam distribution isn't based on manjaro

Alternatively if you can't be assed, as far as I can recall, there used to be a mode to completely ignore the PGP keys, but I don't know if that exists anymore.

[cursive summit]

https://www.oculus.com/blog/meta-quest-2-pricing-changes/?utm_source=tw&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=1-aw-barkerus-202207%2F26&utm_term=1

[shadow minnow]

Did you know beat saber was czech?

[wheat plume]

was

huh?

[cursive summit]

Prolly a dead game

[astral haven]

It's very much not yet

[shadow minnow]

Idk if it didn’t get sold or if it’s still czech

Quite often games developed by czech devs that get successful get sold

[astral haven]

It's owned by Facebook now ofc

[fair gull]

correction

quiet often indie games by anyone that get successful get sold

[junior ore]

bad wording honestly >.>

successful games get sold on virture of... being successful .

[pale sigil]

wow that is a huge increase

[cursive summit]

That's literally how much I bought it for

I don't remember it ever being less than 400

[pale sigil]

Amazon literally ran out of stock

haha

tempted to get one now

[wheat plume]

I assume the storage is expandable somehow?

[pale sigil]

no

[wheat plume]

o.o

[pale sigil]

you wont use it anyway

games are like 5gb

[wheat plume]

hmm

i see

[shadow minnow]

The 28-70 f2 lens is so tempting ngl

[ashen spindle]

you already experienced much better vr hmds

and next gen is coming soon-ish

granted there wont be a new headset for the price of the quest 2 in any lineup for at least 3 years is my guess

[pale sigil]

ill prob wait till next gen

But gone have the days of dirt cheap vr

isn't really a surprise as it was bound to come

[astral haven]

Hgnn
why must the price increase
Not enough app store revenue?

[ashen spindle]

maybe they think they dont need to compete super low end anymore and go far below production cost since other options are mostly for high end market

maybe they feel they offer enough software reasons in the near future that people are still going to be interrested enough

[astral haven]

Or they think that announcing the price now will boost their q2? Sales figures

[ashen spindle]

the costs to make and ship our products have been on the rise

[astral haven]

Might work for me not gonna lie

[ashen spindle]

I mean, I dont even doubt that part, they are selling below cost and stuff is costing more

[pale sigil]

That's why the become so dominant

The pricing was just to good

Its still good at $400

[ashen spindle]

btw https://blog.playstation.com/2022/07/26/early-look-at-the-user-experience-for-playstation-vr2/

[pale sigil]

Most people wont pay $1000+ for the Index

[ashen spindle]

wonder how they will price the psvr2

[cursive summit]

At least 5$

[pale sigil]

Its to much for casual play, the Quest 2 can fit pretty much everyone's use, even my die hard friend who had a huge boner for valvce for years uses Quest 2 and his Vive for one game lol

He returned his Index

[astral haven]

2kx2k hdr at 120fps
That's pretty darn sweet

[pale sigil]

Gotta hate that a console VR headset are the only promising headsets atm

[astral haven]

Deckard

Cambria

[ashen spindle]

pimax

[astral haven]

Pimax QLED and crystal

[ashen spindle]

[pale sigil]

Valve so im meh about it

[astral haven]

What

[pale sigil]

eh i forget about this one since it pops up every now and then and goes quiet again

[pale sigil]

I didn't like the Index much

So Deckard will prob be overhyped too

[astral haven]

?

Have you used a cv1 or vive og?

[ashen spindle]

what dont you like about index

[pale sigil]

ye

[astral haven]

Like the index is now 4 years old

[ashen spindle]

its not like deckard is supposed to be similar in any way lol

[pale sigil]

i had the cv1 for a while

and valve i used multiple times

[astral haven]

I've had a chance to a/b them
And besides the weight the cv1 is just annoying to put back on after using the index

I mean I can go get my cv1 now

Like
Besides price (which is going to keep increasing for pcvr) and weight (which was nescessary 4 years ago) what's wrong with the index?

[ashen spindle]

all that index and deckard are supposedly to have in common is the name valve

maybe audio I guess

[astral haven]

They are supposed to only minorly change the audio yea

[pale sigil]

I meant the overhype

[ashen spindle]

that doesnt explain why you think based on the index you wont like deckard

[pale sigil]

idk, i dont think itll be as good people are expecting it to be and will probably be not much of a bump if at all.

[astral haven]

Imo the index was under hyped
Hla was what was hyped
Think the deckard should be about right if not a bit overhyped

[pale sigil]

And i feel like its going to be another round of hmm spend 1000+ or spend 300-400 for an almost equal experience

[astral haven]

Except that wasn't the round?

[ashen spindle]

ok do you even know what deckard is supposed to have if you think its not much of a bump lol

[astral haven]

Remember the quest 2 is aloooot newer than the index

[pale sigil]

Quest 1 was a thing

And had OLED

[astral haven]

Q1 was atrocious

[frozen ingot]

quest 2 is a more complete and better value package, but index control handles are way more advanced

[astral haven]

And it also was released later

[pale sigil]

but for most users its not something worth handing over 650 for

[astral haven]

🤷 yes and most people aren't going out and buying a c1

But the jump in quality will be more like from quest 1 to 2 going from index to deckard

And while the price will be mostly unatainable, it will be a crazy experience

[ashen spindle]

it also depends on what you want to do with it

if its just beat saber, yeah wirless is nice but the price wont be worth it for that game alone

[junior ore]

wait pretty sure Index was like 800 bucks. since when was it 1K plus?

[ashen spindle]

the rest is comparable just like 240hz vs 60z on pc is comparable for some and for some not

[astral haven]

It was always exactly 999 for the full set

[junior ore]

okay yeah i was remembering Vive prices, my bad

do people really not notice a difference between 60hz and 240hz? or is it 60fps and 240fps?

cause anyone that says 240fps is same as 60fps... probably only has a 60hz monitor.

[astral haven]

I had a friend who I could switch his monitor between 144 and 60 and he wouldn't notice

[ashen spindle]

not what I said, I said some call it a comparable experience, not that its the same for them

[junior ore]

comparable, meaning?

[shrewd thicket]

At least it's not "well maybe you'll get it this year"

So unfair, it's in stock in other countries

With deliveries as soon as 1 oct

[ashen spindle]

its just an estimate anyway

so could be sooner

[astral haven]

But the moment I told him I switched it he would be like oh wow I see now it's alot smoother

[shrewd thicket]

Oh no, it'll definitely be later than sooner

I'm still debating if I wanna get an Alienware

[ashen spindle]

nah after the first sets of delays I got it sooner than the estimate

[shrewd thicket]

MSI announced a QD OLED UW but I would never buy anything from MSI lmao

But apparently there's been leaks that Samsung is also making a odessey g8 QDOLED

Now that interests me

[astral haven]

Gimme brightness any day

[shrewd thicket]

My MacBook has sustained 1000nits and it's plenty for my eyes

[astral haven]

VA with solid dimming is bae

[shrewd thicket]

I usually keep it at half brightness even at the office where I have no control over lighting

[astral haven]

No monitor can hit that

[shrewd thicket]

I'm pretty sure there's monitors that have 1400 sustained

[astral haven]

There are a few tbf but peak brightness just doesn't happen often

[shrewd thicket]

There's this 32", lemme look it up

[shadow minnow]

Ngl on a desktop monitor I find even like 400 or 600 enough but on laptop 1000 is useful

[astral haven]

Like my monitor can sustain 2400 nits technically
But if you have a full white screen it drops to 350 (which is a bit low for this type of dimming)

The big problem is visible abl

[pale sigil]

Hmm

[shrewd thicket]

ASUS ROG SWIFT PG32UQX

[pale sigil]

IPad Pro or QDOLED Monitor

[astral haven]

And you won't really get that with an lcd

[shrewd thicket]

Not sure about sustained but it definitely does 1400

[shrewd thicket]

Those aren't even close to being the same thing

[shadow minnow]

iPad Pro

[pale sigil]

Never said it was.

But i can only get one atm

[shadow minnow]

I would wait with monitor a bit more

[pale sigil]

Soooo

[astral haven]

Not even close to sustained
It can do about 500 Fullscreen?

[shrewd thicket]

But it's a weird choice selection

[pale sigil]

Not really

[shrewd thicket]

Yes it is

[pale sigil]

its two desired items right now

And i can only choose one

[shrewd thicket]

Why not both

[shadow minnow]

Like QDOLED is nice atm but it can still get better

[pale sigil]

Because i cant get both atm

[shadow minnow]

Soon we may have 4K 240 for example more widespread

[astral haven]

I have to chose between a new monitor arm and a digital mixer lmao

[pale sigil]

Problem is i dont use my computer much anymore

[ashen spindle]

if soon is a few years at a much higher prices, yea probably

[shrewd thicket]

I'm buying a new monitor together with a new pc, im just waiting for the 4080 to drop so OEM's still have time to make a QD OLED monitor I'd be interested in hehe

[shadow minnow]

@pale sigil What monitor do you have rn?

[shadow minnow]

Then get the iPad

[pale sigil]

1440p/144hz

Unless you want specific model

[astral haven]

I already got the monitor I'm gonna use for my 4090 lel
4k240hz is sweet

[pale sigil]

Oh and IPS

[shadow minnow]

I do

But yeah especially if you don’t use pc that much imo iPad is more worth it

[astral haven]

Ips is garbage, I'd recommend the monitor first

[shrewd thicket]

New odessey?

[pale sigil]

Acer VG271U IPS 1440p/144hz

[astral haven]

Yeboi

[shrewd thicket]

My current monitor is a fucking joke

[pale sigil]

Its not garbage lol

[shrewd thicket]

Mf almost a crt

[pale sigil]

Sure if you compare it to OLED/QD etc everything is garbage

[astral haven]

Ips is as bad as it gets for monitor tech

[shrewd thicket]

1440p@100hz

[astral haven]

TV? Sure

[shadow minnow]

Well

[astral haven]

But both tn and VA slaughter ips for monitors

[pale sigil]

IPS is great

You're just an elitist

[astral haven]

??

[shadow minnow]

All of the types have their advantages and disadvantages

[pale sigil]

I always avoided OLED for a reason.

I want QDOLED tho

🤤

[astral haven]

The disadvantage of ips is the image quality

Just in general

[shrewd thicket]

recent va panels have been getting surprisingly good, I'd still say if you're not gonna game get a IPS but I'm surprised by modern (high end) va panels

[shadow minnow]

Ngl I plan to wait for QDLED (ik that’s not the proper name)

But also glossy monitors would be Pog

Wish more companies made them

[shrewd thicket]

QLED is quantum dot technology

[shrewd thicket]

This!!!

Glossy makes all the fucking difference

[shadow minnow]

Yeah I don’t mean just that, I mean quantum dots being self emissive

[astral haven]

If you want cheap, get tn, slightly better iq at everything but off axis
For expensive go VA because it is significantly better iq tho with the same axis restrictions
Ips for tvs because axis does matter

[astral haven]

All quantum dots are emissive

[shadow minnow]

Yeah. I have two matte monitors and they just released a glossy version of them recently:(

[shrewd thicket]

Oh shit

[shadow minnow]

I mean purely just quantum dots with no backlight

[astral haven]

Qdel is not gonna happen for a while

[mild dome]

Can that even work everything I have heard they require an external light source

[shrewd thicket]

I have a pantone color calibrated Asus ROG zephyrus laptop with the top 240hz panel that has pretty much perfect color accuracy but it's nothing next to my 2021 MacBook Pro screen

Just because it's matte it looks so dull

[astral haven]

And I highly doubt it will be better than qd OLED or qd microled

[shadow minnow]

Unfortunately but I don’t plan to spend that much money on monitors until it’s out

[astral haven]

Good luck

[shrewd thicket]

1 zone per pixel

[shadow minnow]

Yeah I have a well calibrated IPS and it sucks compared to MB pro

The mini led display is great at everything but speed

[shrewd thicket]

It still mind boggles me how perfect color accuracy doesn't mean pictures actually look good

And that a different panel can still make them look better

[shadow minnow]

Yeah

Funny thing with color accuracy is when you have really color accurate content like photos that are well edited and then the end user who received it uses a monitor where everything looks terrible.
Because well most people don’t have that well calibrated monitors

[shrewd thicket]

Same thing with how music producers are literally producing on airpods pro/max cuz that's what the masses use anyways

[shadow minnow]

It’s annoying that despite my monitors being rather expensive they get beaten by so much by the MB
Wish they were glossy but then they would cost me way more since I saved a lot of money by being a prototype tester
Tbf the prototype one isn’t as well calibrated

[astral haven]

Lights can be 95% gamut coverage but your skin can still look cancerous just because one color is off
Monitors generally aren't that extreme but it can happen

[cursive summit]

The hell did I just read

[shadow minnow]

lol

[cursive summit]

"music producers producing on airpods pro/max"

Are you okay

[shrewd thicket]

That's what I'm wondering too

[cursive summit]

Like you have any source to back up your claim?

Cause that is 99% bullshit

[wheat plume]

Me: Connects our new TV box with my wifi network
TV box: none of the other devices connected to my wifi had internet access while the box was connected
Me: never connected the TV box to wifi again

[shrewd thicket]

Long reddit thread

[cursive summit]

[shrewd thicket]

Maybe I saved it and I can find it

[cursive summit]

Alright bud

Safe

[shadow minnow]

I mean I can imagine AirPods Pro being a good device to check but to produce maybe for smaller scale artists

Still with how popular AirPods Pro are it makes sense to make songs sound good on them

[cursive summit]

You people know that music production needs accuracy?

[shadow minnow]

So may be about that

[cursive summit]

Apple buds are literally trash for musical accuracy

[astral haven]

Producers != Mixing and mastering engineers

Only some parts of the chain need quality

[shadow minnow]

Some actually are good to check on less quality more popular devices I suppose

[astral haven]

Yep

But mixing engineers can't do that

[cursive summit]

I can only see them being used by performers while recording, but even then I have seen a lot of clips of that happening and it's overwhelmingly hi-fi stuff

Studio headphones are studio headphones for a reason

[astral haven]

Mixing engineers will use terrible audio gear sure
But they use harsh insanely revealing gear that anything would sound bad through just to find the flaws

[cursive summit]

Regardless, airpods are not good for audio playback

[shadow minnow]

But they are good to check your music on

[astral haven]

Artists will listen to the finalized masters on consumer gear before greenlighting it

[cursive summit]

Why would you check music on a V shaped headphone the hell

[astral haven]

They will not make edits based on how they sound while listening on a Bluetooth headset

[cursive summit]

The important part is mids why would you listen on a bass inflated headphone that's also limited by wireless codec

[astral haven]

So that you know that itll sound good for the folks listening

[shadow minnow]

You should check mainly on devices most people are likely to use

No matter if they are good or accurate or not

[astral haven]

Like the airpods are as revealing as velvet
If there is still harshness coming through you KNOW there's a problem

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-teases-ryzen-7000-cpu-series-annoucement-in-august

Wait wait, August?

Not September and October launch?

[ashen spindle]

no not august

[cursive summit]

So I suppose we are also getting RTX 4000 announcement in a few weeks then

https://appuals.com/rtx-4000-rx-7000-registered/

RTX 30 Super series I don't see happening

[latent mural]

rtx 4000 is apparently massively delayed

[ashen spindle]

no its not

[latent mural]

the first high-end models are going to release soon enough

but the lower end is gonna have to wait

[ashen spindle]

that is not a delay that is how it has always been

they wont delay it and just give amd free wins

[latent mural]

it is, but I've gotten the idea that it's gonna be over half a year

[cursive summit]

How is it delayed if it's launching in like next 3 months

[latent mural]

• I don't think 4000 is going to be nearly as budget friendly as 3000, even without the shortages

[cursive summit]

Supposedly October

[ashen spindle]

the 3060 was released in february after the top cards were out in october

so again, nothing delayed just normal that lower end comes later

[latent mural]

you could very well be right

[ashen spindle]

they might have a month "delay" at most due to inventory stock of 30 series

[cursive summit]

That apparently might also not be true either, it is likely that Nvidia will ditch shit pricing and their 4090 might be cheaper than 3090

[latent mural]

yeah this is the main reason I'm worried

[cursive summit]

Btw the 4090 launches first, 4090Ti "Titan Quadro monster" later

[crisp granite]

eh, might also maintain the current price, cite inflation

wouldn't be that bad

[ashen spindle]

its the same as it was with 20 series release when 10 series was overstocked due to crypto

wasnt more than a month there either

[cursive summit]

That is the sad part

[latent mural]

high end maybe, but the more budget options won't quite be as cost efficient

[ashen spindle]

and the latest big delay "leak" comes from J2C who has no clue what he is talking about, nobody else mentions delay anywhere

[cursive summit]

4070 should not cost more than 600

4080 always fit pretty well into 800

I wouldn't be surprised to see 4090 for 1199-1299

[crisp granite]

I'm gonna skip this gen so I'm gonna tune out of these convos

[cursive summit]

Tf

[crisp granite]

bring me in when it's the gen beyond this

[cursive summit]

What's your card

[crisp granite]

3070

[cursive summit]

Ah fair enough

[crisp granite]

shit's plenty for my 1080p adventures

also the occasional VR game

[cursive summit]

Cause 2x supposed uplift is great

But yeah 3070's still sick

I am planning to snipe some cards off of ebay during conferences

Like when 2080 Supers were sold for 500$ when 3000 series conference was airing

I saw some for 300$ even

[latent mural]

yeah I'm pretty sure no-one with 3060ti + has any reason to go 4000

unless they were planning to upgrade anyway

[cursive summit]

I am in need for a new rig so this gen will be great

I can't be bothered going team green, so I want to see AMD's raytracing performance gains

RTX is shit and all but minecraft RTX is kinda cool

[junior ore]

my 5700xt is way plenty for games and VR still. but it's older than the 3000 series and I wanna upgrade to push it above 144hz more consistently.

[fickle ore]

@ashen spindle Is there any info what uses less power, next gen AMD or NVDA?

[cursive summit]

Obviously AMD?

[ashen spindle]

what price bracket

high end amd but lower end scaling we dont relaly know

[junior ore]

when has AMD ever used more power than nvidia? (stocks)

[ashen spindle]

likely still amd but ada could be doing very well undervolted for example

[cursive summit]

R9 295X2

[ashen spindle]

Vega?

[cursive summit]

Vega's cute

Radeon VII was also cute

[fickle ore]

Eh.. Varied by nm used

[cursive summit]

Nowadays it's AMD with great power efficiency

[junior ore]

okay yeah the Radeon VII

that fucker of a card

[cursive summit]

This gen should be another +50% power per watt for AMD

[junior ore]

I hated using the Radeon VII

[cursive summit]

Great for mining that card

[junior ore]

fuck no lol

that thing would explode if used for mining

[cursive summit]

How is it fuck no if it's literally one of the best cards for mining

[junior ore]

fucker funs too hot and the fans are jet turbines.

[cursive summit]

Or used to be like a year back

[astral haven]

But also +70% performance

[junior ore]

more like two years back.

[astral haven]

So overall power ^^^

[junior ore]

cause yeah it was a beast but it was a pain in the ass card

with lots of defects

and driver issues

and hardware issues

and firmware issues

[astral haven]

And no it was ultra populat for mining

Was the most profitable card for a while

[junior ore]

I had to warranty return mine 2 times

[cursive summit]

R7 was sold out for years

Idk if it's even available rn

[junior ore]

i get it if it flash it or whatever and make it into a mining card, yeah

but i'm saying for normal usage

[cursive summit]

AMD churned out that card and kinda forgot about it

[junior ore]

normal usage : it was complete ass

[astral haven]

Lol you bought one? Ooof

[junior ore]

YES AAAAA

[cursive summit]

It wasn't that bad of a card though

[junior ore]

it was

[astral haven]

LMAO

[junior ore]

I had to RMA the Radeon VII multiple times.

[cursive summit]

It was a half assed attempt at top end perf but I suspect nowadays with all the driver patches, it's pretty alright

[astral haven]

What a comedian

The card was physically broken first of all

[junior ore]

it was an experimental card

yes, thank you Carmon

[astral haven]

And second of all amd already dropped support for the card

"security fixes only"

The only amd GPU with even a similarly short driver cycle was Vega m
But even Vega m lasted over a year

[cursive summit]

I really wanted one of those AMD - Intel collab NUCs

[shrewd thicket]

AMD cards and their reset bug

Hmm yes

[astral haven]

Tho Vega m isn't even getting security patches so I dunno

[ashen spindle]

they didnt really drop support since latest adrenalin still supports it?

[astral haven]

Yes but the driver itself is unchanged

[cursive summit]

It seems that Radeon VII still sucks in 2022 for gaming

[astral haven]

You know how different GPUs have different drivers, well back in 2021 I knew a guy with one who was using it to drive a pair of zisworks (because that was all that ran) and he kept checking for any updates to the actual driver itself and nothing

The driver that was basically only for the vii didn't get a single update after the announcement

He ended up running Radeon pro drivers for it because those did at least get some changes

[stark bobcat]

R7s are dying

https://youtu.be/1T0npiqjEWQ

[cursive summit]

Well the answer is yes

Typically mining cards are kept quite well, undervolted and take care of

I don't see much harm in mining gpus

https://videocardz.com/newz/amds-new-driver-features-noise-suppression-technology-and-up-to-92-better-opengl-performance-in-minecraft

Tf is minecraft opengl

[junior ore]

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[cursive summit]

Wait the new patch increases minecraft perf 92%???

[ashen spindle]

yeah what is minecraft

never heard of minecraft

[cursive summit]

I wasn't sure what the opengl version was

Like some kind of web based one or what

Apparently that's the java edition

[junior ore]

no there's two different minecrafts

there's Java and then the WIndows one, which is C++

[cursive summit]

Yeah Java and bedrock

Java utilizes OpenGL

[junior ore]

but yeah, minecraft uses OpenGL

[cursive summit]

Which is incredible considering 2x perf

Like what

[ashen spindle]

no its 2x because up till now performance was garbage

now its probably on pair with nvidia

[junior ore]

I never had issues with minecraft on my AMD card

in both windows and linux

[cursive summit]

Bedrock doesn't use OpenGL apparently

DirectX

[junior ore]

yeah cause microsft hates non-windows

[cursive summit]

So they boosted Java version perf by 92%

What the hell

That's ridiculous

[junior ore]

See, microsoft cheats here

they have a fancy smancy fast language thats really optimized version of minecraft

but give it directX restricting it's ability to be put on other platforms easily.

[cursive summit]

Ngl Bedrock would be superior if only it was a carbon copy of Java

[junior ore]

and then you have Java which is................rather high end language if memory serves. it's gonna be chunky.

[ashen spindle]

almost like all their devs would have a lot more experience with directX and would be able to make it run best on directx

[cursive summit]

You can put all of those marketplace stuff

But for the love of god, mod support

[junior ore]

almost like what happens if you run a monopoloy 🤔

or a company town 🤔

hint : it's not a choice.

[ashen spindle]

almost like they were the only ones doing a good api for years and its kinda weird to expect them to switch now that vulkan is not hot trash

[junior ore]

DirectX is not a good API

[cursive summit]

Vulkan was trash?

I always though Vulkan was the better DirectX

[ashen spindle]

it started out as mantle and was really bad

it didnt start out as a good option

[junior ore]

it didn't have a good start

which, yeah. teething problems.

[cursive summit]

It did tout pretty good perf the past few years

[ashen spindle]

an compared to the non existing other options for years, directx was a good alternative

[junior ore]

Vulkan's older than a few years

[cursive summit]

Yeah I first started being interested in tech like 2018

So Vulkan's a bit new to me, and quite solid

Underused though, it feels

[junior ore]

although

Vulkan isn't Mantle, it is derived from it

[ashen spindle]

directx is like 20 years older than vulkan

[junior ore]

Vulkan came out in 2016, and Mantle 2013*

[ashen spindle]

so I would say there are logical reason why people are more familiar with it and why they would use directX due to that

[junior ore]

but this is a microsoft product we are talking about. Direct X is forced within their studios.

it doesn't matter if it's 2004 or 2020

[ashen spindle]

and all I'm saying is that even without it there is a high chance they would have used it

because they have people with 20 years DX experience

[junior ore]

when has OpenGL not been a good option?

it's has basically all the compatibility

[astral haven]

It's not compatible with amd except for perhaps these last few years

[junior ore]

if we go back a bit in time, you were forced to keep multiple version of direct X, and have them updated ( if possible). If you get some fresh new game that DIDN'T have a direct X installer included you were just boned unless you had a decent internet ( which was iffy ). Though majority of games forced an inclusion of a DX installer. which blaoted the size of the game.

[astral haven]

And it behaves very differently on all hardware

[junior ore]

oh?

when?

[stark bobcat]

This was relating to the R7 since he talks about how many are dying

[astral haven]

When you make code that doesn't compensate for hardware?

[junior ore]

I mayhaps am missing something, or forgetting something, or both and/or could be completely ignorant. I don't exactly follow.

[astral haven]

You write a shader that runs a few operations but ends up at a fixed pixel value
Compile
Run on an Nvidia system, an amd system, and an Intel system and you will get 3 different color pixels

[junior ore]

like I don't think it needs ot know every exact hardware?

okay where can I get this info and such?

[astral haven]

Various developer forums

[junior ore]

rather vague

[astral haven]

Well yes

[junior ore]

so it doesn't exactly answer my question >.>

[astral haven]

I don't remember all the exact YouTube video urls I watch

[junior ore]

I too would be unable to, sadly.

i can't remember things for dick

[astral haven]

And as I will never program in opengl, I will never spend the effort to go out and find those

[junior ore]

and yet how can old games run with their old code on modern hardware?

[astral haven]

They don't always lel

[junior ore]

not stopped me lol

[astral haven]

Ever wonder why alot of games don't run on Intel?

Well Intel wasn't really relevant back then

Generally within a company the implementation stays the same for the same version of opengl

[junior ore]

depends on which thing exactly. If you mean in the 90s, they did run well when they paid the devs like ID extra to make it run better. but if you mean to run, say, an openGL game in early 00s when their intel graphics didn't support the specific OpenGL version... then oopsie poopsie it dies. but thats a fault on intel's part, not OpenGL

[astral haven]

No I mean games from the 2010s

[junior ore]

Can't say then, for I wasn't using Intel at that point.

my usage of intel died with a laptop.

[astral haven]

I mean ofc this problem isn't specific to opengl
Opengl just has the most obviously different colors when going between different hardware

[astral haven]

Intel GPUs ofc

[junior ore]

"accelerated graphics"

XD

best you can do is web applications and video playing.

[astral haven]

But hey
They were the best at that lol

[true quest]

abandoned that ship after their first update as a f2p

[mild dome]

According to an old it support engineer I met, during the days when DirectX was being introduced he found that installing DOOM which came with a DirectX package often fixed hardware compatibility problems.

So the customer would have their issue fixed by having DOOM and thus DirectX installed

[junior ore]

which doom?

also lmao, couldn't jsut get the directX installer individually?

it's somewhere in that CD

I'm also assuming DOOM 3*

[slow garnet]

Anyone having issues with some webpages taking forever to load? I'm wondering if this is an issue with my ISP and not a global outage somewhere else.

[vocal cipher]

which one would you use for your DNS, cloudflare or quad9?

[slow garnet]

"You must enable DRM to view this video or audio" and other funny jokes you can tell yourself.
(running the m3u8 stream in mpc-hc runs fine, and no DRM is involved).

[true quest]

mine is starting to struggle

websites and games

y'all's steam working?

[astral haven]

Steam went down just a bit ago

They are coming back up slowly

[slow garnet]

hmm

haven't determined what's the outage yet though, looked around. if I had to guess it's probably cloudflare

[astral haven]

highly doubt it

[slow garnet]

i mean both disc and steam use cloudflare, and both are slow as shit for me ¯_(ツ)_/¯

regardless there's an issue somewhere

[astral haven]

i use cloudflare as a vpn lel
all my traffic goes through them and i dont have anything slow

[slow garnet]

[astral haven]

Welp
there goes 600 on audio gear

and thats just because im too lazy to switch inputs and get spotify on all my devices

[fair gull]

dont they only tunnel dns requests?

[astral haven]

if you are a normal user yes

but my domain is on cloudflare so i get extra perks

[vocal cipher]

cloudflare supposed to be fastest

not fastest but faster than opendns etc.

quad9 said to be safer as they supposed to be constantly updating their blacklist and never store your ip etc.

but don't know if that's true or if someone has real experience with both of them

I changed to quad9 and will try to see if the speed is a problem

[fair gull]

cloudflare iirc gets regular audits done to their policies of no data stored

[vocal cipher]

I wanted to try tor network for dns resolving, but ISP would still have the data and it would probably be noticeably slower

does anyone have tor set up for system-wide DNS?

[vocal cipher]

I changed to cloudflare now that you said it 🙂

[fair gull]

i use pihole for network level dns