🔌│tech

[shrewd thicket]

could also be a crappy polarizer

oled's are game changing

but my 2021 macbook display also looks extremely good and i recently installed a high end samsung qled at the office and i have to say those are also very tempting

[wheat plume]

Made in Vietnam

interesting

[astral haven]

Holy crap just stop looking at the pixel

[wheat plume]

LOL

[shadow minnow]

Well mini led with enough zones is solid

[shrewd thicket]

im waiting for the aw3423dw to come back in stock here in the netherlands to swap my pc monitor

[shadow minnow]

It’s not OLED but the way higher brightness

Actually on a laptop I would take mini led over OLED because brightness

[astral haven]

Lol miniled phone

[shadow minnow]

On normal monitor I don’t care

[shrewd thicket]

the macbook display is so good its insane and the 1600nits area peak brightness is stunning

[shadow minnow]

Yeah

[astral haven]

Actually an inch thick

[shadow minnow]

Unfortunately OLEDs on laptops don’t go that high yet

[ashen spindle]

are you sure its not just on backorder? its like 2-3 months waiting time in germany but they are being shipped

[shadow minnow]

Why though?

The MacBook Pro screen is extremely thin

[wheat plume]

Apparently the fingerprint scanner unlocks from random fingerprints, not just the ones registered

[shadow minnow]

Despite being mini led

[wheat plume]

....dafuq?

[shadow minnow]

[astral haven]

Cooling

[shadow minnow]

That’s not the best security feature ngl

[shrewd thicket]

only store other than dell here in the netherlands

dell has similar message

[shadow minnow]

Well somehow on MacBook Pro 16” it works despite it being very very thin

Idk how too

[astral haven]

The MacBook can't hold 1600 or it overheats

It's 1600 flashes

[shadow minnow]

Well yes 1600 is peak

[shrewd thicket]

its thin but way thicker than lcd or oled

[astral haven]

Or tiiiiny portions of the screen

[shadow minnow]

But sustained is still high

[ashen spindle]

hmm dell de you can just order it and wait

[shrewd thicket]

same as waiting then order

[astral haven]

It's not as high as a normal OLED phone

[shadow minnow]

Or really want to see QD LEDs ngl

[astral haven]

Remember OLED phone tech is different from OLED tv tech

[shadow minnow]

Yes but idk why, no laptop has that

[ashen spindle]

not really because if you order now you get it september, in stock might not be this year

[astral haven]

It costs like 10x as much per area to manufacture...

[ashen spindle]

they make it and ship it, in stock would mean they catch up on all orders and then have more

[shadow minnow]

Well mini led isn’t much cheaper than OLED

It needs quite an expensive chip to control the zones

[shrewd thicket]

true but im not personally a fan of buying and waiting

[astral haven]

$70 for a phone screen is alright
But $1k for an OLED panel alone for a laptop? Heck no

[ashen spindle]

fair, you'll just have to wait a lot longer then

[shrewd thicket]

well

im checking dell

[astral haven]

It really doesn't lmao

[shrewd thicket]

i dont see any message about availability

[shadow minnow]

Well maybe the times have changed

But apple XDR display used a very very expensive chip to drive the display

From what I know

[astral haven]

The zone control can be done by a $3 fpga or a $0 (approx) microcontroller

[shrewd thicket]

the fucking "check availability status" button doesnt work

great dell

[astral haven]

The hard part is the power delivery

And the backplane

[shrewd thicket]

nvm

says

"order now, receive later this year"

welp

[astral haven]

Both of which are hawt and super easy to screw up

[shadow minnow]

Well it used to cost way more. I knew the price for the apple xdr panel + controller and it was not low

[ashen spindle]

it show a shipping estimate on the german site only after entering zip code, likely the same for NL I guess

[shrewd thicket]

i already signed up for a availability email for the webshop

[astral haven]

Apple made a custom controller then probably

[shrewd thicket]

not the dell site but the electronics site here in NL

[astral haven]

Or they just used an fpga

[shrewd thicket]

which doesnt take backorders

[shadow minnow]

I think it may have been an FPGA

[ashen spindle]

ah, well, gl I doubt its happening this year

[shrewd thicket]

actually it does

omg

[shadow minnow]

But I don’t remember all the details and didn’t get as many anyways

[astral haven]

But they definetly bought the wrong fpga because the gsync module fpga is in $400 monitors and supports backlight control...

[shrewd thicket]

well im building a new pc when 4080 releases, until then i'll still use my ol 34" AOC agon

which looks awful compared to my macbook which sits right beside it

[ashen spindle]

I dont think its in stock when next gen comes out lol

[astral haven]

They might have intentionally avoided altera because they were pissed with Intel but that's their fault, not a tech problem

And there are now Asics for that

[shadow minnow]

Well yes but how many zones does it support?

[astral haven]

Infinite

[shrewd thicket]

um

[astral haven]

Response just gets slower the more zones

[shadow minnow]

Well yes but how many with reasonable response

[astral haven]

Millions

[shadow minnow]

Well still QD led or whatever, was supposed to be called QNED before seems like the best thing if it ever gets out

Emissive quantum dots

[astral haven]

No

Qdel

[shrewd thicket]

Well i hope so, i actually hope other manufacturers will also make QD ultrawides because not the biggest fan of AW (or msi who announced one too)

[shadow minnow]

Did they seriously change the name again

[astral haven]

Electroluminescent quantum dots

[astral haven]

No you are thinking of the wrong tech

[shrewd thicket]

hoping ASUS ROG would make a qd uw but highly unlikely

[shadow minnow]

No I am sure it was referred to as QNED before

Maybe the video I watched just missrefered to it

[astral haven]

Also all quantum dots are emissive

[shrewd thicket]

current qled tech looks really good already

[astral haven]

Qned uses an lcd behind them for brightness control

[shadow minnow]

Well yes but I mean well one for each color in each pixel

[astral haven]

Yep

Already is the case

That's how quantum dots work

[shadow minnow]

Well I mean to the point where you need no backlight

Just the quantum dots

[shrewd thicket]

imo a high end samsung qled looks better than a LG G1 oled depending on the use case

[shadow minnow]

Eh idk

On laptop sure

[shrewd thicket]

i compared :D

for movies

[shadow minnow]

But I don’t need that much brightness on a desktop monitor or tv

[shrewd thicket]

yes oled

but meeting rooms

qled any day lmao

[shadow minnow]

Well okay but for meeting rooms just use cheap lcd lol

[shrewd thicket]

nah

[astral haven]

That's called qdel
Quantum dots, electroluminescent

[shadow minnow]

I am sure I heard someone referring to it as QNED two years ago

[shrewd thicket]

why dont we just make a high refresh mastering monitor, massproduce to reduce costs and call it a day

hmmm

[shadow minnow]

Because multiple reasons I am too lazy to say

[astral haven]

Because mastering monitors can use kw of power with no complaints?

[shrewd thicket]

/s ofc xD

[shrewd thicket]

pretty sure both the qled and oled we have at the office have a G energy rating

...

[shadow minnow]

I mean common monitor wouldn’t be the worst idea for some stuff tbf

[astral haven]

Doesn't mean jack

[shadow minnow]

Especially regarding color accuracy

[shrewd thicket]

ima play some minecraft before it turns midnight

[astral haven]

They measure power usage with test equipment and that test equipment standardizes signal

[shrewd thicket]

fell asleep on the couch earlier so i wasted my free time lmfao

[astral haven]

Basically means not hdr

[shrewd thicket]

cya

[astral haven]

There are very cheap monitors that are highly color accurate
What is expensive is constant sustained high brightness

[shadow minnow]

Well yes but when most people have monitors with bad colors it doesn’t matter

You can make color accurate content but at the end of the day when the consumer sees it totally differently anyways

[astral haven]

I mean standardizing on one monitor wise

It's super ez to make a monitor with a thousand dimming zones
It's hard to output 2000 nits from one single zone where your entire monitor only has enough power to power a few of them

[shrewd thicket]

just make the monitor the size of 1 zone

problem solved

[astral haven]

Yep
Why were we even creating these problems intentionally...

God VA is so good for miniled
4k:1 contrast pixel 2 pixel, less retroreflective than OLED, peak brightness a tiiiiny but better than ips and average faster response times too

[fickle ore]

new mousepad smells bad

[reef patrol]

Yeah the good ones always smell a bit fishy at first.

[fickle ore]

wheres the smell from?

mby I should give it a wash

[reef patrol]

It's the material.

[fickle ore]

the plastic cloth weave or the bottom rubber tho?

[wheat plume]

labour intensive tasks such as music streaming
what?

[reef patrol]

You know - It taxes the labour party really hard when people stream music.

[wheat plume]

🤔

[junior ore]

can't tell if sarcasm or what

[ashen spindle]

idk how you can miss the sarcasm there

[wheat plume]

:P

[ashen spindle]

like thats more than just sarcasm when said in certain tone, that sarcasm has a stick and is poking your noise with it

[shrewd thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-dumb-you-gif-8906255

[ashen spindle]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/07/the-new-macbook-air-runs-so-hot-that-it-affects-performance-it-isnt-the-first-time/ what a shocker

[astral haven]

Wow it's almost like we knew 10 years ago that putting an ihs on makes chips hot

[reef patrol]

[astral haven]

On the other hand that is a shocking number of caps
And they are mostly mlccs

[shadow minnow]

Oh no when a device only boosts for a time and goes to lower frequency when fully used for a longer time how unusual

[astral haven]

Apple: Intel is so hot
Apple 5 minutes later

[shadow minnow]

Well what matters to the end consumer is how hot the device they are holding gets

Which tbf fan would make it colder

But power consumption matters a lot too

[ashen spindle]

ah yes the -check notes- 1Watt fan is gonna kill my battery so I'll rather have it toast my legs

[astral haven]

1 watt fan?
Fan go brrrrrr

[shadow minnow]

Tbf no ram doesn’t make too much sense

Like it’s not like fans had to run load

With m2 they could still make it quiet as air

Even m1 pro most of the time is

[astral haven]

Also the lower the temp the more efficiently everything euns

[shadow minnow]

But I suppose it’s about intentionally limiting performance to some extend since it’s not for the pros

[ashen spindle]

also its not just fans, the article says that just thermal pads alone made a big difference

[astral haven]

You can easily make back a half watt out of a 20+ watt device...

[shadow minnow]

That isn’t entirely true but mostly true

[astral haven]

No it's entirely true

[shadow minnow]

Yeah I think it’s really just limiting performance since pro exists

[ashen spindle]

no apple could that much easier via software or anything lol

[shadow minnow]

There are things that get more efficient when they get hotter at least to some extend

[ashen spindle]

you dont limit performance on your product by having it run on thermal limits lol

[astral haven]

Including silicon pmos and nmos transistors

[shadow minnow]

Well it makes it cheaper

Why do it on software and spend money on extra construction

[astral haven]

The only thing that consumes more electricity is the fan

[ashen spindle]

how does it make it cheaper having to engineer it becoming hotter rather than just limiting it in a setting

[shadow minnow]

No fan or heatsink

[astral haven]

Throttling more is free

[shadow minnow]

But well idk may be the case but I have no clue why does apple actually do it

With m1 it made bit more sense

But now that it eats more watts

[junior ore]

just because something runs colder doesn't mean it runs better. It's not going to change it's limitations. Cooling better just means you can make it push and run harder before its too hot but there's going to be a hard limit.

[astral haven]

It's actually super dumb
They should have run the chips at half the power limit just to demonstrate how cool it can be
It would only be like 10% slower

[astral haven]

The lower the temperature the more efficient it gets
Period

[shadow minnow]

Not period

There are exceptions

But usually true

[astral haven]

Not for silicon

[shadow minnow]

95% of cases or so

[junior ore]

I do wanna hear examples

[ashen spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g94rNe4XSGU

[astral haven]

Silicon transistor switching losses increase with temperature

[junior ore]

right

but is there anything that this doesn't apply to?

[astral haven]

Not silicon?

[junior ore]

no i mean whatever it is ping mentioned.

they mentioned some 5% of some cases where it doesn't apply, so am curious on the example.

unless, like, it's refering to some super old stuff from the 60s or sumthin like rope core memory 👀

[astral haven]

I have no idea what they are referring to

[wheat plume]

Oo... The YouTube popover menus float now
I like this change

[shrewd thicket]

still hjate the icons

[final flame]

they're google stroke icons, the same as the old icons just in a stroke instead of fill

[ashen spindle]

nand flash is usually made so that it operates best at a certain temperature and doesn like cold but cant think of anything else

[astral haven]

Yep
But energy usage doesn't really change much

And that's only when writing data to the cell
When just in storage, colder is better

[ashen spindle]

yeah and the controller does like cold so always fun to see people try to heat or cool the entire ssd lmfao

[astral haven]

Yep

Optane poggers
Just cool it

[ashen spindle]

nah, optane heats up your money so it evaporates

[fickle ore]

Pogtane

[astral haven]

Evaporative cooling

[ashen spindle]

cooling by using the tears the of the buyer rather

[astral haven]

Tears of joy

[junior ore]

wait, like, someone purposefully heating an SSD?

[cursive summit]

Never heard of hot served data?

Something something tech works better if it's heated up

[ashen spindle]

well, removing included heat sinks usually but yes heating up sometimes too

on a more useful note, I just realized if intel ever releases a nice userfriendly tool https://twitter.com/aschilling/status/1550507492266098688 that shows this, we might be getting something that can automatically tell a person if they have a cpu or gpu bottleneck in their game

Andreas Schilling 🇺🇦 (@aschilling)

Tom Petersen showed this graph in a briefing and in a video @GamersNexus

Each beige bar is a frame. But it’s not only frame time, it’s also giving more info on how the pipeline works. The dark small line is gpu render time. The blue dot represents the frame ready for output.

Twitter · Jul 22, 2022, 3:46 PM

[astral haven]

Someone Photoshop a pic of someone torching a ln2 pot but replace the pot with an m.2 ssd

[cursive summit]

Is this good enough

That's as good as it will ever get for my paint skills

[astral haven]

I wouldn't call that an ln2 torch but it's funny enough

[wheat plume]

OMFH lol

That's perfect lol

[astral haven]

No @wheat plume, don't buy a bad phone because of some nice stickers...

[wheat plume]

:')

[frozen ingot]

disregard sensible opinion, acquire google trash

[final flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILa3d87Wc7Q

[vocal cipher]

very interesting

[final flame]

Kinda tired of this guy, Keeps on missing features on things. This monitor is 8 bit + frc and yet in the video he doesn't actually check in nvidia control panel to see what it actually is, instead saying it's just 8bit and saying it's 10bit with hdr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V5Ti9hiq0g

They're also the same one who covered the wooting two and I'm sure y'all remember what they missed

[astral haven]

it doesnt do 10b when overclocked apparently?

[final flame]

10bit doesn't enable itself automatically as far as I know

and you can't change it in windows settings

only in your gpu control panel

[astral haven]

the monitor can change it

[final flame]

I had to manually change it on my ultragear 850b

by default this is set to default color settings

[astral haven]

both of these are incorrect

so i blame windows

[final flame]

tbf windows has always sucked when it came to monitor settings

[astral haven]

closer

[final flame]

the reason why so many people don't use 144hz because they never changed it and it wasn't enabled automatically

[astral haven]

yea

microsoft did intentionally chose to set the default to 60 tho

also yes we need labs for this

[final flame]

The issue I have is short circuit is supposed to be basically a quick review and for some people that will be all they will watch

[astral haven]

yes

[final flame]

doesn't help lg also markets the bit depth like this

https://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-32gq950-b?cmpid=HQUS_BS_2022_MNT_IRM_UltraGear_32GQ950_PS_YT_ShortCircuit_PDP_Review_&utm_source=IRM&utm_medium=YT&utm_campaign=PS|ShortCircuit

[ionic storm]

Guys, did you remember to put your router in a Faraday cage today? https://a.co/d/j8ghC4t

[mild dome]

Someone actually asked me for one of these when I worked retail. Thought wifi was killing them

[timid chasm]

I'm gonna need a trustworthy tech tuber to review this for funsies

[final flame]

I hate the fact that exists, Even worse the fact people buy it

The fact that people also think 5g and wifi hurts them is also painful

[junior ore]

now, truth be told : some people want the router and its features but not the wireless that is basically forced into everything

wireless is a rather large entry point for attacks depending on how it's set up, or what attack method is used.

and there are cases where even turning off wifi settings just doesn't do it.

[final flame]

how many of the people buying it do you think are buying it for security reasons?

more likely if someone does need a faraday cage it's going to most likely not be one of these solutions

[crisp granite]

to be fair
if you lived next to a functional and busy 5G tower and are sensitive to it, it can harm you slightly

but that's already stupidly rare
most don't even notice and it's just perceived

so people go nuts and start throwing hamster cages on their routers

[ionic storm]

I'd link you to LTT's review but you said "trustworthy"

[ionic storm]

Every worthwhile modern router allows you to turn off all antennas in settings

[ionic storm]

?

[stark bobcat]

Do you have a source on that not doubting you but I'd like to know more

[crisp granite]

wait...nope

I'm a dumb dumb

it's lower frequencies that are more dangerous
so 5G is technically the safest it's ever been

but, still, electromagnetic radiation does not nice things if it manages to penetrate the skin which shields us from most

but the general electromagnetic radiation shenanigans do have some validity, although you'd need to be hypersensitive to even notice a slight difference

maybe next to a 2G tower more likely, but at that point, you're probably swigging moonshine and sleeping with your third wife who also happens to be your second cousin

[astral haven]

well no
very high frequencies are ungood

but think more 5000000000g rather than 5g

[misty saffron]

well

it's just facetime now instead of cell calls

[reef patrol]

Mansen's tech tales continue. So I did more google late last night to get rid of that fucking notification - found an app that people claimed would intercept and hide them. It did not... or actually.

So when I had it installed and set it up, it did shit all - even after a reboot. I then give it 1 star and remove it... and guess what suddenly doesn't appear any longer hours later.

https://tenor.com/view/twilight-zone-nigtmare-gif-5445538

[misty saffron]

android!

[mild dome]

Microwaves operate at 2.4ghz, and routers only output 5ws of microwave radiation.

You would need to ear your router to suffer peoblems from it

[shadow minnow]

There are always so many mushrooms to cellular towers

But tbf someitmes it gets a bit weird, like next to one tower most of the trees that were really close seems to have a little bit different color lol

Genuinely though, once found so many mushrooms around a tower

[shrewd thicket]

Yeah he's like the new version of Taran imo, don't like neither, this guy gives me the feeling he's pretending to know stuff and definitely reading a script

[reef patrol]

Because he is? They all are.

Presenters are not necessarily the ones in the know - the writers are.

[shrewd thicket]

Yes but you can read a script like you're reading and you can read a script as a natural

All other hosts on LTT are natural and they don't FEEL scripted

[final flame]

Taran is actually good, He does tons of research on his own time

[shrewd thicket]

As an autist myself Taran annoyed me so much

His Intel upgrade video annoyed me so much on so many levels lmfao

[reef patrol]

And that comes with practice.

Anthony was stiff as fuck at first. Couldn't present to save his eternal life.

[shrewd thicket]

Yes but that doesn't change the fact it feels scripted right now

[final flame]

https://www.youtube.com/c/TaranVH/videos
should maybe look at his own videos

[shrewd thicket]

Is that that a dutch last name

[final flame]

a great resource if you want to learn premier

[reef patrol]

You literally have the answer to your own reply right there.

[final flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFvZDKgUF5Q

[shrewd thicket]

No I'm saying, the fact it feels script right now makes me dislike.him as a host

And as Galaxes says

Keeps missing features or badly explaining them and stuff like that

[shrewd thicket]

Also imo if u consider this just get the Samsung g8, unfortunately it's curved but it is what it is

I like curved but only on uw's

[shadow minnow]

For some reason my 27” monitors cause me way more eye strain than my laptop or phone

[final flame]

I'm not in the market for a monitor rn

[shadow minnow]

Sometimes even after an hour I have to take a break

I wonder why

[final flame]

Just simply pointing out the flaws in the short circuit vid

[shadow minnow]

Maybe it’s FRC
Probably not but what else, don’t have backlight strobing enabled

[final flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIaczt4F2D4

Very good video
Taught me a couple nice techniques that I would have never learned otherwise

[shrewd thicket]

@final flame the monitor is actually 10bit according to specs tho

[shadow minnow]

Specs sometimes don’t mention FRC

[final flame]

it's 8bit frc according to displayspecifications

[shadow minnow]

they just call it 10 bit

Even though it’s 8 and frc

[shrewd thicket]

I've never heard of 8bit frc

What's the difference

[shadow minnow]

Most LCD “10 bit” monitors are 8 + frc

[final flame]

frc is a form of dithering

[shrewd thicket]

Oh I see

[final flame]

Here's a 24 bit gradient to see the difference

discord only shows stuff at 8bit

you'd have to open it in something that supports higher bitdepth

[shrewd thicket]

Looking on a high-end oled phone I don't see the difference lol

It's hosted on the discord cdn, does it not get compressed

[final flame]

it doesnt

[shadow minnow]

I had discord compress a 60mb image into 5

[shrewd thicket]

Both are striping

[shadow minnow]

Despite having nitro

[shrewd thicket]

Maybe it's the new discord mobile client

[shadow minnow]

Not when it fully loads

[shrewd thicket]

It just displays the best version already

[shrewd thicket]

When I open in browser

[shadow minnow]

For me I first see this

[final flame]

SHA256: 60D254C06CC6C62B6434A56D3A88F5021889930909F6B770439192A5918CAC7F
Here's the checksum of the original

[shrewd thicket]

I view it here

But I see striping

[shadow minnow]

But then it loads and looks different

[shrewd thicket]

It's done loading

[vocal cipher]

won't you have the same artifacts the moment you convert to srgb?

[shadow minnow]

At least for me the striping goes away after few seconds

[shrewd thicket]

I have gigabit internet it loads instantly

[shadow minnow]

Like in preview the image has striping

[final flame]

he shows it in the video

[shadow minnow]

But when I click on it it doesn’t

[final flame]

you can convert it back just fine

[shrewd thicket]

My phone might be 8 bit tho

I'll check a little later on my MacBook

[vocal cipher]

I fast forworded it and he talked about just converting it before exporting but didn't hear any comments about the artifacts

ok

that's weird

[shadow minnow]

Okay this is weird

When I do a screen recording

The striping is still visible

[final flame]

go to 4:20 in the video

[shrewd thicket]

Screen recording in 8bit duh

[vocal cipher]

I mean it's just holding the lightness value intact so the changes are just done different way

[shadow minnow]

But it’s actually not visible for me once I open it

[vocal cipher]

so it makes sense in fact

[shrewd thicket]

Bruh

[shadow minnow]

Yeah probably

But the image loads as 10 for me when fully opened

[shrewd thicket]

I've never seen any recording software defaulting to 10bit

[vocal cipher]

thank you for sharing though, it's really interesting...

[final flame]

figma is cool too, Very fun and easy to use

a lot easier than illustrator

[cursive summit]

Anyone own a Galaxy Tab S8 Ultra?

Or the S8 in general?

I've been really interested in that thing, unlike most Samsung products, the Tabs look genuinely really good

Anyone tried out the DeX mode?

[thick elk]

Personally, never bothered with adobe stuff and just use inkscape for vectors

inkscape works perfectly fine and has improved quite a bit + having svg as it's working format can be quite useful.

[halcyon moss]

i feel like inkscape hasnt changed in 10 years :p

[wheat plume]

how do I convert data speed from Mbps to mbps?

a job listing requires at least 30mbps download speed

[reef patrol]

Those are the same unit of measurement.

Also speedtest.net

[cursive summit]

They are not

Capital M typically is megabytes, m is megabits

Conversion from bytes to bits is afaik 1/8

So just divide by 8

[shadow minnow]

Isn’t B/b what matters?

[ashen spindle]

yes

[wheat plume]

o.o my data speed is no where near that fast

fuck

[ashen spindle]

the M capitalisation doesnt matter

[cursive summit]

For whatever reason here the fuckers never write capital B, it's the M that matters

[reef patrol]

bit vs Byte

[cursive summit]

25 mbps is slow af

[ashen spindle]

and what do you have

[wheat plume]

mpbs

[cursive summit]

Just 1?

[wheat plume]

wait, did they fuck up?

[cursive summit]

1 mbps sounds like dial up era speeds

What does your speedtest say

[wheat plume]

but this says "mpbs" LOL

[ashen spindle]

lana

[wheat plume]

they did an oopsie

[ashen spindle]

what download do you have

my god

[cursive summit]

Show speedtest results

[reef patrol]

30mbps is perfectly normal for whf.

[cursive summit]

@wheat plume@wheat plume@wheat plume

https://www.speedtest.net/

[wheat plume]

44Mbps

[cursive summit]

Then you are fine

[ashen spindle]

then youre good

[wheat plume]

10Mbps up .-. LOL

[cursive summit]

Up rarely matters

Not when browsing

When you are gaming then that's a bit of a latency magnet

[thick elk]

How, there are quite a few major changes, file compatibility is a lot better, the ui changed quite a bit, hell 10 years ago it didn't even have a checkerboard background. and until 1.2 it didn't have multi page documents.

Also it works a lot more stable than it did 10 years ago

[halcyon moss]

yeah true. it works well thouhg

[wheat plume]

this is the good implementation of a hole notch
equal padding on the top and bottom of the notch in the status bar

ive seen a lot of phones with these notches make the status bar flush with the bottom of the notch and its so awful and off center looking

[shadow minnow]

I hate the bezels so much

It’s like the curvature of the casing of the phone was different than the screen

Something about it just looks so weird

[thick elk]

I personally do not mind bezels much

[shadow minnow]

Like on this case I just hate this bezel

Something about it makes me hate it

Idk what

[thick elk]

on the sides you hold your hand over them often and on the top / bottom its often no big deal, compared to the size of the phone, besides I don't care about the vertical space anyway.

My poco x3 pro is fine in that regard

Just wish the phone was a bit shorter

[wheat plume]

I love how Poco name the phones based on what features the phones have

Poco X3 NFC

Poco X3 5G

kind of silly but it makes sense for this price bracket

🤔 Xiaomi.ie

Is this site legit???!

[misty saffron]

why exactly wouldn't it be

[wheat plume]

oh, it seems to be a reseller

Or licensed reseller I assume

[misty saffron]

if you see brandname.ie/any other big country top level domain name it's 99% legit

[wheat plume]

hmmmmmmmmm, that nickname LOL

[shrewd thicket]

Imagine having a obstruction in your screen

[wheat plume]

I honestly dont mind the notch on my phone

[shrewd thicket]

Notch is better than punchole imo

All screen above the punchole is wasted

Just push that dot up to the top of the phone

[wheat plume]

it doesnt impact videos cause videos tend to be 16:9 so that area of the screen is black anyway
and in games.....I dont play games on my phone so it doesnt matter

[misty saffron]

are you one of the people who's gonna hate on apple's pill and hole design?

[shrewd thicket]

This was the statusbar can be smaller

No because the pill won't increase the size of the status bar(could've decreased it but wtv)

[wheat plume]

I fail to see how the space above the notch is wasted? no app can use that space anyway, so on most phones its not used space regardless of notch or not

the only thing that dills that space might be notification icons

[shrewd thicket]

But imo just push the punchole up to the top of the screen and make it a "notch" so the statusbar can be thinner and I get more screen underneath it

[wheat plume]

may as well have a nipple notch at that point

[misty saffron]

for some reason almost nobody realises apple decided to go with the pill and hole because they wanted something unique

and one big pill is just any other android phone

[wheat plume]

yeah...that shit is janky

[shrewd thicket]

Pill looks good

[wheat plume]

nah

the empty space between the cameras sucks

[shrewd thicket]

I think iphones look good

And the pill design too

[wheat plume]

I cannot stand the wide ass iPhone notch

[shrewd thicket]

Pill isn't wide anymore

[wheat plume]

makes the status bar even more useless on iPhone

[misty saffron]

iphones are genius design once you realize they make it look like no other phone

[wheat plume]

yeah

but the wide ass notch and the thicc bezels make the screen feel surrounded and small

[misty saffron]

the bezels are the same size from all sides

i'm willing to forgive them just for that

also, they're not even that big starting from iphone 11

galaxy s10+ for example is complete jank

[wheat plume]

what iPhone was it, the smaller model, it had really big bezels compared to the more expensive versions

[misty saffron]

look at this shit

[shrewd thicket]

S21 is most beautiful phone imo

[shadow minnow]

Ngl I am really not a fan of unequal bezels

[shrewd thicket]

Just needs curved edge and no punchole

[wheat plume]

Nah

[misty saffron]

just needed actual bezels of the same size

[wheat plume]

Xiaomi Mi 11 is gorgeous

[shadow minnow]

No why is the bottom bezel bigger

[misty saffron]

actually it is

yuck

[shrewd thicket]

Hope you're joking

[wheat plume]

cause most Android brands dont bother to curve the display to make the bottom bezel smaller like Nothing Phone and iPhone

[misty saffron]

xiaomi just makes apple design clones

[wheat plume]

no they dont xd

[shrewd thicket]

Nothing phone display bezels are really good

[wheat plume]

^

all even on each side

<3

[shadow minnow]

Well yes nothing phone has nice bezels

They got quite inspired from iPhone 12 it seems but well that doesn’t mean it’s bad

[shrewd thicket]

Yep

[misty saffron]

the front camera placement though...

[shadow minnow]

Yeah

[shrewd thicket]

What?

What's wrong with it

[shrewd thicket]

It's good?

[shadow minnow]

If it was at least same distance from side as top

[shrewd thicket]

In the center is way worse

[shadow minnow]

But it would be way better if it was same distance

[shrewd thicket]

Nah that would ruin usable realestste

[misty saffron]

how

[shrewd thicket]

By making the statusbar taller

[misty saffron]

no

[shrewd thicket]

Um

Yes

[shadow minnow]

Why not just move it to side?

Instead of bottom

That would increase usable real estate

[shrewd thicket]

Because center sucks

[shadow minnow]

No

[shrewd thicket]

Time should be in the center

[shadow minnow]

I mean something else

[thick elk]

The drawback of a top-left corner front camera is when you actually use it, it wil lbe off-center

[shadow minnow]

Just moving it bit to left

[thick elk]

if you don't care much about the camera, behind the screen is the better option

[misty saffron]

then just make phone ever so slightly less round

[wheat plume]

custom rom?

[shadow minnow]

Underdisplay camera that sucks in quality is a bad decision by the manufacturer

[wheat plume]

ive only seen a few roms offer the time in the middle

[shadow minnow]

Reason being teenagers

Care more about front than rear camera

I had someone wanting to buy my iPhone just because it’s an iPhone and not caring about rear camera being broken as long as front works

[misty saffron]

totally love how it looks almost exactly like an iphone 11 without a notch from the front

[wheat plume]

I really want a phone with an underdisplay camera

I dont give a fuck about selfies so idc

[wheat plume]

Ah nice :D

[shrewd thicket]

I'm a teenager and I never use my front camera

Barely

[misty saffron]

so not sending nudes yet

fair enough

[wheat plume]

I use it for sometimes using snapchat filters once a year or so LOL

[shadow minnow]

Well obviously this is not the case for everyone

[shrewd thicket]

I don't have a wide-angle front camera

[shadow minnow]

Just many/most

[shrewd thicket]

Exactly this

[thick elk]

I have only used it once but I can see it being useful for video calls

[shrewd thicket]

But not filters

Just snaps

I hate filters

[shrewd thicket]

Stand up in the bus at 9am each day 🤣

[misty saffron]

how come

it's a feature in most newish phones

[empty wren]

So zte or fold

[shrewd thicket]

Pop-up camera

[misty saffron]

yuck

[shrewd thicket]

Lmao

Ur retarded if u think a popup camera is bad, it stood the test of time perfectly

[empty wren]

I wish those stuck around

[wheat plume]

Pop up is the best option

No notch
Camera physically unable to be used until you need it

Don't got to worry about the mechanism breaking cause I won't use it anyway

[misty saffron]

no i just want a phone without a wart on it

that grows on demand

[thick elk]

if you hate the hole in the status bar, just use your phone upside down

[wheat plume]

Mi Mix 4?

[shrewd thicket]

Under display cameras will also be pretty good for privacy because they'll only really work when the screen over it is black

[wheat plume]

What?

[empty wren]

Are you smoking or something

[wheat plume]

That's not true

They can work anytime

[empty wren]

Once they get good enough they will be everywhere

And you will not know

[misty saffron]

privacy with 3 more cameras on the back and 3 microphones... k

[wheat plume]

The only true option for privacy is popup camera

[shrewd thicket]

Yes but it'll be badly visible

[thick elk]

Just for fun

[shrewd thicket]

It only becomes decently visible when the pixels are off

[shrewd thicket]

I want to die

[wheat plume]

Android Gore

[empty wren]

It has already gotten better

[thick elk]

the camera hole is under the home button here

[shrewd thicket]

Lmao please I want to die

Don't make it worse

[wheat plume]

Wat

[misty saffron]

"z"

@ashen spindle stop supporting the war

[ashen spindle]

sorry reflex to support it

[misty saffron]

i know that feeling too well

[shrewd thicket]

I think I found a bigger troll than myself

[thick elk]

As for actually doing it, I really wouldn't use my phone with the volume keys on my left hand

[wheat plume]

Yt Vanced is back!

Different people though

[shrewd thicket]

Don't think that'll be your worst problem

[shrewd thicket]

I just bought premium instead, cba anymore and I mainly watch on tv anyways so

[misty saffron]

living in russia is the better alternative to yt vanced

no ads

[wheat plume]

Xd

[shrewd thicket]

No ads, cuz no internet

Also no McDonald's

[empty wren]

Yeah but aretcha stuck to low resolution

[misty saffron]

i'm pretty sure i have better internet than 99% of the usa

so not true

[wheat plume]

Once I get a reliable income, same

[shrewd thicket]

Also putler

[misty saffron]

no lol

[thick elk]

My workflow when I use youtube on my phone is as follows: open youtube link > download with newpipe > watch in mxplayer

[empty wren]

Alright

[thick elk]

as newpipe distorts sound at higher playback speeds and tops out at only 3x

[shrewd thicket]

I dropped out of college but I can still use my student discount

Pro tip

I use it for Spotify too

[shadow minnow]

But you can’t (officially) get wooting

[wheat plume]

I used it for Spotify a few years ago

I've switched to yt music though

[shrewd thicket]

Eh

I tried

But I have a Million playlists of carefully sorted music

I will never have the time to migrate

[shadow minnow]

I switched to Apple Music from Spotify

It Pog

[misty saffron]

yeah that's kinda unfortunate

but!

[shrewd thicket]

Also

[misty saffron]

😎

[shadow minnow]

o.o

[shrewd thicket]

Check my discord description, i love spotistats

[thick elk]

I just stick to a local library both on my server and on my phone

[misty saffron]

they still don't cap upload...

[shadow minnow]

I have 120 down 800 up ping lol

And like 60/12 speed

In sk

In UK it’s like 10/1

[shrewd thicket]

Yes but putler

[misty saffron]

i don't have energy to troll

just pretend i am trying to defend him

[shrewd thicket]

Yes

Big daddy on big horse

[thick elk]

I don't need energy to troll, the moment I paste any screenshot people complain about me strongly prefering light themes anyway.

[wheat plume]

I prefer light theme on my laptop

[shrewd thicket]

For me is opposite. When I don't have energy I'm a troll, when I have energy I act normal

[wheat plume]

The status bar text isn't centered.....
Oh gosh

[shrewd thicket]

Relatively normal*

[shrewd thicket]

It's centered you baboon

[misty saffron]

check out miruky's 1000 gecs remixes

[wheat plume]

No...the padding is less on top than below the text

[misty saffron]

https://soundcloud.com/nedostupnost/sets/100-gecs-1000-gecs-miruky

pretty refreshing

[shrewd thicket]

Curved corners

Also half scroll

[wheat plume]

What do round corners matter?

I'm talking about vertical padding xd

[shrewd thicket]

Yes

The corners extend so the statusbar fills the height of the curvature

I'm talking about vertical height

[wheat plume]

The status bar icons and text is centered to the vertical center of the status bar for me

Your icons and text are too high up

[shrewd thicket]

It'd because of the corners, text is to the top because of how android 12 design is. Hard to explain but it makes sense once you use it

[wheat plume]

The corners of my screen are rounded and curved edges xd

[shrewd thicket]

Same

[shrewd thicket]

Like this it looks good

[wheat plume]

Unless the status bar ends on the red line?

[misty saffron]

android devs have finally realised people use phones with one hand

aha

[wheat plume]

Huh?

[misty saffron]

the blank space at the top

[shrewd thicket]

Best way I can show ig. The statusbar extends to the bottom of the corner

And when using apps normally the color extends over to the statusbar so it looks clean

[wheat plume]

Yeh
So I'm right

The icons and text are too close to the top of the screen a

[shrewd thicket]

Yes

[wheat plume]

It's off center

[shrewd thicket]

No

[wheat plume]

Yes
It's too high up in the status bar

[shrewd thicket]

No

It's perfectly positioned

[wheat plume]

If the bottom of the status bar is going across where the round corners end
Then the text is not aligned in the middle of that vertical distance between the top of the screen and the bottom of the status bar

If I could photo edit, I'd show you

[shrewd thicket]

Photoshop has a webversion now and it's free afaik

Anyways

I understand what ur trying to say

There's a "padding" below the text

But designwise it makes sense

[wheat plume]

Yeh
That padding is too large compared to the padding above the texy

[misty saffron]

best alternative to adobe products is cracked adobe products

[wheat plume]

^

[shrewd thicket]

Actually no

Affinity designer and photo are both really good

[misty saffron]

their creative cloud shit is at least 50% of the pain

[shrewd thicket]

Yup

Affinity is standalone productd

No random software bundled

And no subscription

[junior ore]

depends on which type of software ye want

[shrewd thicket]

Affinity designer = ai
Affinity photo = ps

[misty saffron]

if only it was as powerful as photoshop

[junior ore]

I use paint.net for my photoshop alternative, or did when I was running windows. I preferred it over GIMP honestly. never tried Affinity

[shrewd thicket]

I used gimp but it's nothing like ps or affinity

[wheat plume]

I don't like gimp

The name and the UI is a piece of shit

[junior ore]

lol

[misty saffron]

gimp ui is the definition of open source ui

[wheat plume]

Not anymore xd

[junior ore]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[shrewd thicket]

It is 90% there, for a fixed price of $50 and no random cloud bs it's really good

[junior ore]

the nature of it is : find a different software and go with what you like

[misty saffron]

wait until they pull a teamviewer

[empty wren]

Old Photoshop exists too

[shrewd thicket]

U can pirate btw

[misty saffron]

but at that point i'd rather pirate photoshop

[shrewd thicket]

Imo no

[junior ore]

I sitll got me old CS4 adobe software, legally purchased.

[shrewd thicket]

Affinity has some key features which improve upon ps

Which I really like

[misty saffron]

do they have an alternative to lightroom?

[junior ore]

which key features it has?

[misty saffron]

lightroom is what is really painful to use

[empty wren]

Any chance you got a Photoshop cracked exe👀

[shrewd thicket]

No I don't think so

[misty saffron]

yesa

i don't delete anything i downlolad so highly likely

[junior ore]

i think with modern adobe piracy you have to do some registry editing

[shrewd thicket]

https://youtu.be/SGojM3A5t-g

This video explains perfectly

[junior ore]

not simply droping a exe, me thinks

[empty wren]

I broke one version with an exe

But cannot now

[shrewd thicket]

Might be a bit bias idk but it does a great job at explaining

[junior ore]

aye, I was saying modern as in current.

or around current*

they've changed a bunch.

[wheat plume]

this damn laptop has a hardware problem where built in speakers doesnt work after the OS comes out of sleep mode

I know its a hardware problem

cause it happens on any OS I installed so far

[junior ore]

does it crackle?

[wheat plume]

no

just no sound

[junior ore]

so it sounds perfectly normal, until sleep mode, and then it stops once the OS wakes up?

[wheat plume]

no, I got to reboot to make the speakers work again

headphones work if I plug them in though

so its not an audio server issue

[junior ore]

right but I was saying they work until sleep mode? like, is there a time that they work?

[shrewd thicket]

What laptop

[wheat plume]

Speakers work

**Sleep mode on **

sleep mode off
Speakers do not work

[wheat plume]

its from PC Specialist

really thin and light and I love it

[junior ore]

Eurocom?

[wheat plume]

huh?

[shrewd thicket]

Open it and reseat the speaker connector on the mobo

[wheat plume]

PC Specialist are from the UK, so def not Euro

[junior ore]

super laptop specialists*

that was name of their company

[wheat plume]

I dont think they are loose

[junior ore]

but if not them, hmm.

[shrewd thicket]

Clean the pads

[wheat plume]

cause the speakers work fine until I put it to sleep and resume it again

[junior ore]

so it's a custom laptop?

[wheat plume]

Yeah, you can customise the ram and storage capacity on it

[shrewd thicket]

Could be that somehow enough power is lost by a bad connection to "lose" the speakers or something

[wheat plume]

not too sure

[shrewd thicket]

During low power sleep mode

[junior ore]

like, could you send us a link? are you able to open up the laptop? what kind is it?

[shrewd thicket]

Not very custom lol

[wheat plume]

you saying it might not push the power back to the speakers?

[shrewd thicket]

That would mean my MacBook pro is also custom

[wheat plume]

they no longer sell it on their website and I cant find any other reseller with this exact case

[junior ore]

when did mac laptops start using non-soldered ram and storage?

[wheat plume]

never?

[shrewd thicket]

You mean stop

Pretty sure 2018/2019

[wheat plume]

^?

[shrewd thicket]

I know 2017 models can replace the SSD and ram

But the SSD is non standard

Actually idk about ram tho

I know the SSD used to be swappable but it's a non standard format

[wheat plume]

and the new ones, you can take out the SSD but the controller is on the mobo itself

[junior ore]

so you are saying it has no model name or number? how do you find bios update software or anything?

[shrewd thicket]

Mac studio only

[junior ore]

who's the manufacturer?

[misty saffron]

there are adapters

[shrewd thicket]

They suck

[wheat plume]

the model number is M14517

[misty saffron]

how can a braindead pinout adapter suck

[junior ore]

Remember when Apple made a proprietary DVI port so they can power big ass monitors through it

[shrewd thicket]

Because adapters suck

[shrewd thicket]

Yes

I don't remember because I didn't exist then

[wheat plume]

O.o wait they have an Irish version of the website now

[shrewd thicket]

But I do know about it

[misty saffron]

well, it was ahead of its time

[shrewd thicket]

Old Mac cinema display

[misty saffron]

now apple powers monitors through thunderbolt

which i WISH all monitors did

[junior ore]

I don't know about "ahead of its time". it made things look nice being one less cable but at a bigger cost to the consumer.

[shrewd thicket]

With leprechauns?

[wheat plume]

xd

perhaps this laptop is too thin?

the USB port is falling off LOL

[shrewd thicket]

That or USB c DP

[misty saffron]

wasting another 220v outlet in my extension cable is just annoying

two if two monitors

[shrewd thicket]

I use USB c DP alt mode daily

[junior ore]

right but that wasn't the case with the Apple-DVI

[misty saffron]

literally have an extension cable plugged into an extension cable because i have pc, 2 speakers, 2 monitors, dac+amp

all needing a 220v outlet

[shrewd thicket]

That's not too crazy

[junior ore]

@wheat plume you are gonna have to find some way to get identification of the laptop to get any help for it. maybe can find manufacturer in the BIOS settings if its not labeled on the bottom or such.

[shrewd thicket]

System info on windows

All u need

[junior ore]

assuming they run windows

[misty saffron]

wonder at which point i'm gonna overload the circuit of this 50s built house 💀

[shrewd thicket]

Just send a screenshot of the main sys info window

[wheat plume]

I found the chassis OEM's website

[shrewd thicket]

Most people do

[junior ore]

okay what is it?

aye, most people do indeed

[shadow minnow]

Oh I remember overloading circuits here

Was fun

But what if caused was a ceramics furnace

Quite a few kw

[misty saffron]

there are 2 circuits: one for the room and one for kitchen and bathroom

literally have to plug in the vacuum in the kitchen

otherwise breaker trips

[shadow minnow]

lol

[shrewd thicket]

Sounds like living the life

[misty saffron]

wanna see the epic soviet breakers?

[shrewd thicket]

No

[wheat plume]

I cant find the chassis on the OEM site ... hmm

[junior ore]

whats the OEM?

give name

[shrewd thicket]

What os

[junior ore]

you can always WayBackMachine

[wheat plume]

Donguan Iproda Tech LTD in China

[misty saffron]

MADE IN RUSSIA

[wheat plume]

and PC Specialist made a laptop from it

with their own SSD and shit

[shrewd thicket]

Do I see exposed copper wire

[junior ore]

wait, are you meaning just literally only the chassis?

[misty saffron]

no it's not exposed

actually

nah not exposed

[shrewd thicket]

Um

[misty saffron]

it's clear plastic

[shrewd thicket]

Ah I see

[shadow minnow]

My father had a rather bad experience with electricity once

[misty saffron]

it's amazing how clearly they're so old yet still work

like, i know it trips

💀

[shadow minnow]

But luckily he survived

[shrewd thicket]

I had a bad experience with humanity once

[shadow minnow]

Few seconds of 240v

[shadow minnow]

Just once?

[shrewd thicket]

Actually many times

[wheat plume]

I had to ask customer support to send me the drivers for the touchpad and SD Card cause when I reinstalled Windows, those didnt work
I had to yank my mouse from my PC to use on the laptop until I got the drivers

[misty saffron]

though a dying incandescent light bulb somehow tripped it once

[shrewd thicket]

I forgot what matters, volts, amps or watts.

[misty saffron]

how has the fucking light bulb pulled 16 amps

[shadow minnow]

Well it was a wall outlet I think or sth similar so amps were also rather high and so were the watts

[misty saffron]

all of the above

[shrewd thicket]

With enough of anything ues

[shadow minnow]

Well

Not entirely

[junior ore]

Volts and Amperage being the important ones

[shadow minnow]

VA=W

[misty saffron]

resistance of the body matters

[junior ore]

mostly Volts

[wheat plume]

its a solid AF laptop

[shrewd thicket]

Yeah that's what I thought

Wattage doesn't mean much I guess

[shadow minnow]

So if you have 0.0001v then lot of amps won’t kill you probably

[shadow minnow]

Wattage is just volts * amps

[junior ore]

ye

[shrewd thicket]

I know

[misty saffron]

"wattage"

power

[shrewd thicket]

No motherboard?

[junior ore]

good for marketing to quickly go "yeah this shit powers your crap faster"

[pale sigil]

Just get a steam deck

[wheat plume]

laptops dont tend to specify mobo LOL

[wheat plume]

SHUSH ;-; THATS 3 MONTHS AWAY :-;

[shrewd thicket]

Yes well usually the mobo is chassis lineup specific

But yours seems a little "special"

[misty saffron]

because highly doubt anyone would be interested in "it's uhhh quanta kjsvkjsdfnvu9rf"

[shadow minnow]

But well let’s say the electricity wasn’t nice though luckily no long lasting major injuries still a bit weaker fingers on the hand and such

[wheat plume]

yeh xd

[junior ore]

I def don't recommend getting them if it requires contacting support to get drivers and such. that's super bad.

[shrewd thicket]

Yeah

[wheat plume]

the link was time limited too, but I saved the zip file ... in the unlikely event I install windows on here again

[shrewd thicket]

Honestly if you need a laptop without a GPU I'd just get a HP or Lenovo

[junior ore]

most conventionally manufacturers include all th8e software and stuff on their website and you just freely go to it and find it via model/name of the laptop, motherboard is assumed because its tied to the specific laptop model.

[shadow minnow]

MacBook

[wheat plume]

fuck HP and their stupid amounts of bloatware

Lenovo, maybe though

[junior ore]

you can uninstqall all that or reinstall windows and not have the bloatware.

[shrewd thicket]

Well yes but those don't run windows. I do love my MacBook more than any other laptop ice ever touched and I used to sell a lot of high end laptops

[junior ore]

or Linux it.

[shadow minnow]

Well they do run windows for arm

Just still don’t run many apps because of that

[shrewd thicket]

Their bios is incredibly good and with a single clean install the HP+Windows experience is actually really good

[wheat plume]

the order also shows me when they built the laptop

cause you had a choice of CPU, RAM and SSD sizes

[junior ore]

if you want custom built laptops, check here https://eurocom.com/ec/main()ec

RAM and storage isn't 'custom'

[wheat plume]

nah, im happy with this laptop

[junior ore]

but this, this is everything custom

[shrewd thicket]

That's what I said

[shadow minnow]

Sad how no matter which laptop you chose you won’t get as good speakers as on an MacBook

[shrewd thicket]

I guess I have a very custom MacBook

[wheat plume]

hm?

[shrewd thicket]

With custom ram and storage

[junior ore]

and thats fine if you are happy with it. but if the manufacturer and support sucks... well... when you have issue like speakers not working properly you are shit out of luck

[shrewd thicket]

Not outta luck he just needs to open system info and get mobo info and update bios/drivers/windows or maybe it's a hardware issue then ur fucked

[junior ore]

you need support to get said bios update and thats assuming they will give it to them, considering they don't have it open for public.

they might not*

[shrewd thicket]

@wheat plumethis one please

[junior ore]

also yeah. since its not standardized... you aren't exactly going to find a replacement part easily.

[wheat plume]

im on Fedora LOL

[junior ore]

I told you to not assume their operating system

also they mentioned before their preference for linux

[shrewd thicket]

settings -> about system on gnome afaik

[wheat plume]

M14xxM

[shrewd thicket]

what a shit company

[wheat plume]

hm?

[shrewd thicket]

drivers are locked behind a login on the site

[junior ore]

yeah wtf

i think the height of appeal is payment plans for this

[shrewd thicket]

but im assuming it'll just show you your purchased products and the correct drivers for them

[wheat plume]

Drivers are locked behind contacting support on your specific order number

[junior ore]

yeah : shit company

[shrewd thicket]

i've had shit experiences with first party driver sites

but holy shit

this is next level

[junior ore]

no next level is havign to pay for drivers

[wheat plume]

^

ive never seen that though

[junior ore]

but this is still atrocious

[shrewd thicket]

next level is shipping outdated firmware and telling the customer "our firmware is proprietary and we do not disclose it to our customers" (aka u can't update)

aka that one light switch company linus bought switches from

[junior ore]

if you need another computer again : don't buy one from these guys

it just screams loanshark but hardware

[wheat plume]

My friend bought a gaming desktop from them
He really likes it so far

[shrewd thicket]

hell no never buy from "pc specialist"

[shrewd thicket]

bruh

[wheat plume]

And it shipped in very well protective packaging

[junior ore]

so?

thats standard

[shrewd thicket]

...

[junior ore]

tha'ts not to be amazed by

[wheat plume]

Yeah
But I've seen companies not protect the GPU

[shrewd thicket]

ima start my own company if its that easy to satisfy a customer

[wheat plume]

The GPU was just wobbling and shit while installed on the Mobo

[shrewd thicket]

extra packaging guys. shit how did i not realize thats how elon became a billionaire

[junior ore]

to be fair on Lahnah, i've seen people with lower demands of expectations

[wheat plume]

Xd

The PC is working good though
That's all you need

[junior ore]

yeah thats why you don't buy prebuilt

[shadow minnow]

It is when they don’t know any better

[wheat plume]

And pretty well cooled

[shrewd thicket]

ive never seen a "good" prebuilt

[junior ore]

aye

[shrewd thicket]

i know lol

[shadow minnow]

Remember how popular beats were?

[junior ore]

gotta get that tax payers money

[wheat plume]

🤢 beats

[shrewd thicket]

beats used to be good

didn't it

[wheat plume]

no

[shadow minnow]

Sound quality was not the best for the price

It was just extremely popular

[wheat plume]

and too much emphasis on bass

[shadow minnow]

Because it was released by some musician I think or someone popular

[shrewd thicket]

thats more recent beats

[shrewd thicket]

dre