#๐ŸŽฎโ”‚game

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fading spade
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AND BONE

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THOSE ARE OART OF ITEM NAMES IN THE FUCKING GAME

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HOW TF YOU GET BONE MEAL THEN?

small comet
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i love how unreasonably upset you get over a childrens game

fading spade
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im upset cause this system is shit

small comet
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and its not out yet

fringe salmon
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didnt you complain about the exact same list last week already, pretty sure that link had the list

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I agree its a joke but like, its nothing new since then I think?

small comet
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correct

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also still could change

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not like they had banned words in the game for years

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they wanna move in the right direction and i respect that

nimble current
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night is on ban list too, so how do they even explain their day/***** cycle

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microsoft has officially gone full retard with this system

fading spade
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/time set not_day

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or use the number value

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/time set 15000

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your name cant be said in minecraft anymore @nimble current

nimble current
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that's okay, microsoft stole my copy anyways

fringe salmon
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aside from the point its most likely just a generated list oder taken from stackoverflow, a command wouldnt worry about it since it filters chat not input..

nimble current
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I had the java version and for some reason all ms services refuse to acknowledge it

fading spade
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hhm

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Luckily, the migration process worked fine for me
Although I notice in the Xbox app, I have literally all the versions of Minecraft on the MS Store

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LOL, idk how

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Minecraft Java + Bedrock bundle
Minecraft Bedrock + Minecoin bundle"

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hmm

nimble current
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I tried converting to ms version, ended up with my java version being inaccessible as well and ms store wanting me to buy the games again

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thank you microsoft, very cool

fading spade
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can you dig up the purchase email for Java and contact support?

nimble current
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I tried contacting their support about it but they were too retarded to even understand the problems I was having

fading spade
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o.o

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Try Mojang's support?

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Hey , KingPoop673848384, do you have some <piece of skeleton> meal I can borrow? I need some to make a would farm

Minecraft chat in 2022
other player comes along to report player for bypassing the word ban by using would instead of wood

player gets banned from multiplayer and singleplayer

fringe salmon
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yeah definitely

fading spade
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hacked clients devs have already said they are working on an automated report feature to send reports about all players online

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and if you can find a way to abuse the /tellraw command, you can make any player say anything you want and report them

fringe salmon
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yes and we really dont need to have the same discussion multiple times before its even released...

small comet
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we dont even know whats sent

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also tellraw would appear as such in logs

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also theyd notice a single person reporting however many people in a second

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also pretty sure singleplayer wasnt affected by bans

fading spade
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they dont get logs, they get the chat message

fringe salmon
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how do you know what they get

small comet
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cause lana works at microsoft obviously

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    Multiple chat messages can be selected for reporting โ€“ additional context of surrounding chat messages will also be included in the report. 
    The category of the player report is selected from a list of Report Categories. 
    Additional comments can be entered to provide more details and information regarding the report. 
    Evidence of the authenticity of the reported chat is also included with the report.   

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id assume evidence means logs

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on the ban hacked client thingy

You are responsible for the reports you submit. Knowingly sending incorrect reports to try to get another player banned, excessively sending irrelevant reports, or otherwise abusing the player reporting system can lead to repercussions for your account. Do not incite others into using the player reporting system for your sake. 
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so idfk what youre smoking lana but give me some

fringe salmon
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some grad a potato blunt

small comet
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also knowing microsoft theyll most likely not just use a wordlist in future releases but smarter filtering

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maybe even AI like features

fading spade
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maybe

fading spade
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Bone

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Is in the list

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Can't say bone meal

small comet
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u can

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it just gets censored

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unless it autoreports

fading spade
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You got any ****meal?

small comet
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how many other items contain meal

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like

fading spade
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you got any ****meal?

small comet
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0

fading spade
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Kids are going to be like "wait..why can't I type this word?" And then go look it up online anyway to find out why it's supposedly bad

fading spade
bleak pike
fading spade
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probably

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I know for certain its in the UK

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Cause that is where Elliot lives

bleak pike
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was taken in liveprool not long agfo

fading spade
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that ones cheaper

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hmm

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also, no carry case??

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why not, they come wuth the Deck

bleak pike
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carry case would be behind the counter

fringe salmon
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or the person only sold the deck

fading spade
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true

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but what can you do with a custom shaped case designed for a console you sold?

small comet
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prop up smth

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burn it

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fill it with yoghurt and try to sell it

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theres lots u can do

fringe salmon
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carry anything same size or smaller

small comet
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i could carry my dick in it

feral ferry
bleak pike
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PC in 2 years

feral ferry
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I don't really see the hype though

bleak pike
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part of me wants to play it on my ps4 but 30fps

feral ferry
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The remake or remaster or reimagining or whatever you call it of the series

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The one that was recently released

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It wasn't even that good?

bleak pike
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I personally enjoyed it a crap ton

feral ferry
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Like it's literally a basic barebones straight out of vocabulary beat em up

orchid prism
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It doesn't deserve to be called god of war honestly.

feral ferry
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What's the appeal

bleak pike
orchid prism
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Completely different gameplay - They could have made a new character and universe and it would have worked so much better.

feral ferry
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There's been hundreds of games that are exactly like God of war

bleak pike
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Great storytelling, great combat, great graphics, great everything.

feral ferry
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great combat

bleak pike
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Nice balance with skill tress too

feral ferry
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People who played the game would disagree with you lul

bleak pike
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Find me a game like GoW

feral ferry
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One overarching negative is that the combat is boring

bleak pike
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That has similar combat

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i know, most og fans moaned.

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As it wasn't like og GoW hack and slash

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idc, that never appealed to me personally.

feral ferry
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Souls games have similar combat

bleak pike
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No it doesn't

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Souls is much harder and way to much effort.

feral ferry
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Well I didn't play the game so don't really care that much

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But I did watch a walkthrough and read a bunch of reviews to form an opinion

bleak pike
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Souls games are effort to play and aged like shitty wine

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Souls is fine for people who like like ofc

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but souls isn't for me

feral ferry
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Sounds like someone who can't beat Iudex Gundyr to this day lul

bleak pike
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GoW i enjoyed a lot, combat felt fluid amd mechanics.

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Mate i suck as souls lol, but i also just dont like the combat.

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Its slow and sluggish but again thats JUST ME.

fringe salmon
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souls games great, gow great, not similar combat

bleak pike
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^

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not similar

feral ferry
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kay then, Ghost of Tsushima

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Or that other Japanese looking game, Sekiro

fringe salmon
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nah

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sekiro is even further away from either of them

feral ferry
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Actually

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Now that I think about it

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Witcher has very similar combat

fringe salmon
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ehhh

feral ferry
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Well regardless

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It might be an alright game

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And a staple for Playstation games as far as combat games go

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But it's not anything amazing nor inventive

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I really fail to see the hype for the series as far as the reboot goes

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Originals were fairly interesting though, I played one of them on PSP

fringe salmon
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yes its basically two trilogies that just share the lore

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so some people wont like it some will like it that didnt like the old ones

orchid prism
fringe salmon
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yeah that whole situation was a massive shitshow

feral ferry
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What's up with this shilling for streamers

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Mansen out of all people, I never expected you to SIMP

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You sold out the boys for thots!

orchid prism
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I don't simp. Zepla is genuinely hilarious. She just happened to post two videos today I found funny. ๐Ÿ˜›

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And this - the latter is mostly for context.

fading spade
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ERP?

fringe salmon
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extreme raid progression

fading spade
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huh??

fading spade
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wtf

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hah now chat dum

feral ferry
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Yeah never heard of ERP either

fading spade
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ERP: Enterprice Resource Planning

orchid prism
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I am fully convinced Vexx has never played a video game at this point, and is just an elaborate troll.

fading spade
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if its an MMORPG thing then yeah...thats why IDK WTF it is

fringe salmon
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already said it's extreme raid progression havo

fading spade
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oh

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final fantasy damn it

feral ferry
fading spade
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SAME

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I DONT PLAY THAT

fringe salmon
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not an FF term

fading spade
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this website only works on Windows, Mac and playstation 4 ๐Ÿค”

orchid prism
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Aka. the platforms the game runs on.

fading spade
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TIL playstations have a web browser

orchid prism
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Since PS3 in fact. (You literally use the PS3 browser to jailbreak it)

fading spade
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can users actually use it like a normal browser?

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or is it just for ingame and in app shit?

orchid prism
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Proper browser.

fading spade
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oo

trim rock
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Yes, it's a good source for exploits to run your own softwares ๐Ÿ‘€

fading spade
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yeah, I bet xd

orchid prism
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Same with the Wii.

fringe salmon
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also extreme raid progression was a joke I didn't think that wasn't obvious..

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I share mansen's sentiment now, has to be a troll

fading spade
orchid prism
fading spade
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cause I had a data limit of 15GB a month that I was very scared about breaking

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fuck ireland and its shitty internet plans .-.

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Unlimited
Yes, before you throttle the speed dramatically after using like 30GB

fringe salmon
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enough data for lots of ERP

feral ferry
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How are we exactly supposed to know an inside joke of FF community

fringe salmon
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its still not a term from FF...

feral ferry
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I googled the term and top searches are literally FFXIV

fading spade
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^ same for me

feral ferry
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So it's an RPG term or something

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I don't play those either lul

fading spade
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I assume MMORPG term

orchid prism
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It's fucking erotic roleplay you trolls ๐Ÿ˜›

trim rock
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I only know it was a more involved kind of RP

fading spade
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๐Ÿ‘€

fringe salmon
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of course it doesnt show up when you dont google ERP but my joke words..

fading spade
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ah yes, makes sense now!!

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LOL

fringe salmon
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also if you click on those search results it still would be explained..

feral ferry
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Ah so it is an inside joke lul

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I sure af never heard of that for any other MMO game

fringe salmon
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erp has been used as a term before the game even existed...

orchid prism
fading spade
feral ferry
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I sure as hell don't want to see that

fading spade
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yeah....

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no

feral ferry
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And no I never played WoW or AC lul

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To be fair now I realize I barely play anything in multiplayer

fading spade
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^ or FF or Yakuza or Persona

feral ferry
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Even multiplayer I play singleplayer thonk

fringe salmon
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where do persona and yakuza suddenly come from

feral ferry
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No clue

fading spade
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cause its an RPG basically

fringe salmon
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what

feral ferry
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And neither are MMO afaik

fringe salmon
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im totally lost

fading spade
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nvm

feral ferry
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Yeah that's just your Lana moment

fringe salmon
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the rp part in erp doesnt mean an actual role play game with those elements...

fading spade
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I know

solid bough
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i have returned

solid bough
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ERP is not a FF term.

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and it's something that is against the rules to discuss here in this discord

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and also not exclusive

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it is a type of roleplaying, either vocally/physically or entirely by text

feral ferry
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What are you talking about now

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I've grasped ERP by now thank you, I've done it before

solid bough
feral ferry
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Nobody even talked about it being nsfw

fading spade
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I bet you do grasp it, ey

solid bough
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no worries, then ๐Ÿ‘Œ but other people might not know and such

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pffft

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hahaha

feral ferry
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Sexting is quite fun lul

fading spade
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Yes....xd

solid bough
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i can't comment my opinion on it due to this server not being designated as a 18+ only and anyone can join in.

feral ferry
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Jeez nobody's going to mind as long as it ain't images

fringe salmon
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oh you can comment on it just dont start erping in a channel xD

feral ferry
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Or.. descriptive stuff

solid bough
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lol

feral ferry
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Nobody wants the detailed description of your grandpa's shriveled fat bock

solid bough
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I mainly don't want to piss off the moderators here.

feral ferry
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You have already achieved step 1 there, furry

fading spade
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Lol

solid bough
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lol

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i've done nothing wrong ๐Ÿ˜›

fading spade
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filled with a hundred man children
Wat now

solid bough
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yeah. a bunch of people in a space station hitting people with toolboxes

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Space Station 13

fading spade
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Hmmm

solid bough
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aka : try not to die horrible simulator

fading spade
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Sounds about right

fading spade
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Dumb ways to die
So many dumb ways to die

solid bough
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tis how i got into role playing in general. a really cool game

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besides dnd*

fading spade
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Never heard of this xd

solid bough
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okay so, you old enough to have seen the show SeaLab 2021?

fading spade
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Also
This is what Vexx was referring to xd

solid bough
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whos vexx?

feral ferry
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Oo people still read channel descriptions

fading spade
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Yes xd

feral ferry
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I assumed that was a lost art

fading spade
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Nah

feral ferry
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Tbf

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Idk when was the last time I clicked on the channel pins

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Like, 3 years ago or something

fading spade
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Oh yeah...pins exist

feral ferry
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That feature isn't emphasized enough

solid bough
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typically yeah some people in the furry community are on the very lewd side. plenty are not.

fading spade
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On my sisters DMs
We already reached the pin limit ;_;

solid bough
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and, fo course as with any grouping or community : there's always drama somewhere.

fading spade
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Why is there a gif of a protogen being smacked by a tennis racket in the pinned comments in #๐Ÿธโ”‚memes ?

severe compass
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Because it's funny

solid bough
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anyways : Space Station 13 is Sealab 2021 but in space and theres about 100 people running around with various jobs and responsibilities that, ultimately, will sometimes just NOT human correctly. You'll have plenty of Captain Murphy.

fringe salmon
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cant tell you, had that channel muted for over a year now at least dogekek

solid bough
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protogen? where?

fading spade
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Lol
Fair enough quin

fading spade
solid bough
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oh!!

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Boneworks VR

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yeah thats hilarious lol

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i love protogens, always cute techy things

fading spade
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Hmm
I was so tempted to get a quest 2 while it was on sale

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But I refuse to use Facebook

solid bough
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exactly

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don't give in

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save up for the index

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its worth it

fringe salmon
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buy it and dont buy anything from them and it hurts them more

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quests are sold at a loss

fading spade
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But I want games to play on it

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So I'd have to buy from them

fringe salmon
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so buy them on steam and use a cable

fading spade
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O

solid bough
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get a used Vive instead or such

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avoid th8e quests

fringe salmon
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even used ones cost a decent chunk + costs for lighthouses

solid bough
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aye but it's still less restricted\

severe compass
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For a sci-fi campaign I was inspired by the protogen's LED faceplate, but the robot character I made was primarily based upon an archaeopteryx though upsized

fading spade
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The irregular shape of my room ceiling won't make for good lighthouse placements

solid bough
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you aren't tied to facebook

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with the quest : you're fucked

fringe salmon
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how cheap was the quest when it was on sale for you?

fading spade
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โ‚ฌ230

solid bough
fringe salmon
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yeah so a used vive with lighthouses would still be double the cost xD

solid bough
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maybe? lets check

fringe salmon
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thats what I just did

fading spade
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Triple probably

fringe salmon
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yeah depends on how lucky you get

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but couldnt find anything below 420โ‚ฌ on ebay thats somewhat recent

solid bough
fringe salmon
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us market doesnt matter we're not in the us

solid bough
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i don't know your exact locations /shrug

fading spade
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So much cables and shit

solid bough
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i'm just saying there's methods

fringe salmon
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if she posted a price in euros it's most likely in euro land ๐Ÿ˜›

solid bough
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thats still a bunch of countries. also I was jsut quick searching so it defaulted to me

fading spade
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Steam deck is so big you feel self Conscious pulling out out in public apparently

solid bough
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thats a....their problem?

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like

fading spade
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Xd

solid bough
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why would they even need ot report that?

fading spade
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Bish idc how large it is! I can play oc games on the go

solid bough
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its like they are purposefully trying to find any excuse to shit on the steam deck

fading spade
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Yee
A lot do

solid bough
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it's like the asshole that said steam deck was gaming for adults.

fading spade
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One guy went as far as saying that the Switch offers a better gaming experience than it :')

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Ah yes
I love barely 30fps in switch ports
Best experience ever

fringe salmon
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how do you get to "big" when that snippet said the concern was the noise it made...

ashen lark
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Well itโ€™s subjective

fading spade
fringe salmon
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...

fading spade
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Also
Loud as in not discrete

solid bough
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its not that loud unless they clogged it with dog/cat hair

fading spade
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You got one already, von??

solid bough
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i wish

fading spade
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Same ;_;

ashen lark
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Depends on which fan you get too

fading spade
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Mines October or after

solid bough
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i've studied the noises of it though, with multiple types of fans

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yeah

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they apparently changed fans

feral ferry
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Deck's impressive

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But I find it useless for most gaming needs

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Battery sucks, performance isn't on par with desktop

fading spade
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They didn't change fans
More so, they get them from two different places at the same time so it's random what one you get

feral ferry
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So yeah not really quite there to rival desktop

solid bough
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it is two different fans

fading spade
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Ye

solid bough
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same fitting but

severe compass
ashen lark
solid bough
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different manufacturer

fringe salmon
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they have a secondary supplier that they didnt use for review units so nobody expected a different fan

feral ferry
feral ferry
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It's not really meant to replace a desktop I don't believe

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But nothing beats that comfortable seated multi display 1440p gaming on ultra

fading spade
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No it's not
Unless your desktop is less powerful

severe compass
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Thank!

fading spade
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Then it can

fringe salmon
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steam deck is just a neat beta product, I'm personally waiting for the second iteration and see if they use a good screen, might get that one then

solid bough
# feral ferry Battery sucks, performance isn't on par with desktop

same as the launch switch battery life. you're getting 4-8 hours, and its possible to stretch it with configurations which you can do on this device unlike others.
Performance is on par with desktops. Not yours maybe but this thing legit can get proper game framerates and is literally a computer environment. Now, of course it's not attached to a 4090ti, lets be real here.

feral ferry
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"performance is on par with desktops"

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With iGPU desktops, sure lul

fading spade
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I just love the fact it's running on Arch Linux ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ’œ

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And the amazing plasma desktop

fringe salmon
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yeah if I put my monitor to 800p its not really hard to get desktop performance...

solid bough
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way to ignore context

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and to ignore rest of the sentence.

feral ferry
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That was your argument

solid bough
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quote mining isn't exactly honest.

feral ferry
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It's nowhere near on par with desktops

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Not on performance, not on stability

solid bough
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you say that but it literally plays games liek fucking elden ring. without performance issues. how is that not "desktop performance"

fringe salmon
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yeah it's not on par with most desktops based on the steam hardware survey

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because 800p screens are not "desktop performance"?

solid bough
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it plays the game

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yes it is ๐Ÿ˜„

fading spade
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All the Switch gamers can finally experience the incredible portal games ๐Ÿ’œ

feral ferry
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Would be lovely to see how it'll perform docked

solid bough
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thats, like, your opinion, man

fading spade
feral ferry
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I'd also really love to have a battery life of sub 4 hours and then melt the device down while charging

solid bough
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thats liek saying computers of the 90s aren't game systems when you put in the voodoo graphics card

fringe salmon
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I mean if comparisons are based on opinions now I could just get a <720p screen and I outperform every desktop, I dont think thats a valid comparision

solid bough
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guess what : that shit aint playing 1080

fringe salmon
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yeah but if we compare it to what the vast majority has based on the steam hardware survery

solid bough
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there's nothing wrong with using 720, that's the thing.

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you think it's some horrible aspect.

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but if it works

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it works

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it worked for us on the playstation

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and other consoles

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it worked for gaming in the past

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it still works now

fringe salmon
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sure if you say you define desktop performance as desktop performance in a random point in time

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but thats a bit disingenuous

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most people would use that term to use it for current year desktop setups

solid bough
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I'm defining desktop performance as playable

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you are the one saying its not desktop performance.

severe compass
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Mang I only want a Switch 2 with Metroid Prime 4 ;(

solid bough
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whats your definition of desktop performance?

fading spade
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Imo desktop performance should at least be 1080p 30fps

solid bough
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it can do that too if you hook up an external. of course, not for elden ring lol

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depends on the game of course.

fringe salmon
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something that the vast majority of user based on the hardware survey has would be one option I could work with

solid bough
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so, an array from the hardware survey?

fading spade
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I haven't seen the new survey results

solid bough
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what would those specs be?

fading spade
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What's the most used GPU?

solid bough
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yeah I'd want to see that.

feral ferry
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It's been the same for years

fading spade
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1060?

feral ferry
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What else

solid bough
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wasn't that long ago the 1050ti was the hot craze because availability issues and whatnot.

fading spade
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1660?

feral ferry
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Although 1060 might lose its spot any month now

fringe salmon
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yes the 1060 is still the most popular but that doesnt mean its the average performance anymore

solid bough
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yup, the 1060

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hmmm... okay lets see what the 1060 can do, then

fringe salmon
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no, it being the most used with 6% would not mean majority have just 1060 like performance

feral ferry
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This is honestly still sad, but impressive that AMD clawed back so much market share

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Now this is a travesty

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AMD really should properly step up on driver stability and marketing

fading spade
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Other?

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What other GPUs are there?

feral ferry
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Arm and stuff

fringe salmon
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that doesnt change anything when they literally cant make more hardware

feral ferry
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Old voodoos

fading spade
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Ahh

rancid hearth
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ati ๐Ÿ’€

solid bough
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pffft

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Quadro

fading spade
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That's still AMD

feral ferry
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That'd count as AMD, probably

solid bough
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maybe but never know

feral ferry
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0.23% inclines decent market share, so most likely Apple

solid bough
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there could be some crazy guy running some.. whats it called...

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the servers usually have it...s tarts with M

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anyways

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if the current average standards is 1060 : I am pretty sure the chip in the Steam Deck can match up to something 6 years old

feral ferry
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HAH

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You sure as hell are overestimating the Deck then

fringe salmon
#

again, 1060 being the most uses does not mean its the average..

solid bough
#

thats. thats literally what average means.

fringe salmon
#

6.x% does not mean it represents what most desktops can do...

solid bough
#

no thats a different thing

#

we aren;t talking about max performance here

fading spade
#

How much better is a 1060 vs 860m?

solid bough
#

or what the most a computer can do

feral ferry
#

That 6% would kinda indicate it's more likely to be median

feral ferry
solid bough
#

like, dude, theres hundreds of GPUs

feral ferry
#

1060 can still reliably 1080p high

solid bough
#

can it?

fading spade
#

Isn't it better than the 1660?

feral ferry
#

What

#

Lana what are you talking about

fading spade
#

I saw a comparison that the 1060 is better

feral ferry
#

?

#

No?

#

It's aged definitely, not as great as it used to be

solid bough
#

RDR2 is pretty intense fo a game truth be told.

#

it honestly depends on which

#

but yeah

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6% may seem small

#

but

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thats huge when other numbers are smaller

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because there's so many other GPUs

fringe salmon
#

yes but in theory that could still mean it has the most individual users but the other 94% are all using a better gpu...

solid bough
#

Maybe!

#

but

fringe salmon
#

and then obviously it would be the 1060 that would represent a desktop

solid bough
#

thats not what we were talking about

#

and we don't have those numbers of that maybe.

#

we have the aactual average, being the 1060

fringe salmon
#

we do.. its the steam hardware survey that has the info on other cards...

solid bough
#

oh? lets check it then

fringe salmon
#

and its still not the average...

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it's the single most used card

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not any average

fading spade
#

Isn't average most used

solid bough
fringe salmon
#

ok, hypothetical, lets say the other 94% are all using a 3080 class performance

solid bough
#

it is Lahnah

fringe salmon
#

would you still say the 1060 is the average gpu

fading spade
#

No...

solid bough
feral ferry
#

These peeps have no idea anymore

fringe salmon
#

yes I corrected it since it obviously cant be all one model

solid bough
#

Quintosh.. if 94% of people were using 3080... it'd be the average, yes :V but its not.

feral ferry
#

Quintosh honestly, don't bother lul

severe compass
#

Most used is the mode not average reeeeeeeeeee๐Ÿธ

feral ferry
#

It's Lana and Lana 2, you ain't winning that fight

fringe salmon
#

no in theory those 94% could all be having a share of 5.x% and are 3070, 3080, 3090, 3090 ti etc.

#

it could be the most used card and 3x slower than literally anything else hypothetically

solid bough
#

well in your theory, the average performance would be the 94% because thats the majority.

#

the average is the majority.

feral ferry
#

That's not how that works

solid bough
#

it literally is

severe compass
#

We are going to need a normal plot aint we

solid bough
#

Average : most common.

severe compass
#

Most commonly it means the mean

solid bough
#

yes, thank you

severe compass
#

As in almost everyone means mean when they say average, not mode

feral ferry
#
  1. 1060 - 6%
  2. 1070 - 5%
  3. 1080 - 5%
  4. 2060 - 5%
  5. 2070 - 5%
  6. 2080 - 5%
  7. 3060 - 5%
  8. 3070 - 5%
  9. 3080 - 5%
fringe salmon
feral ferry
#

Which one is the most common out of these

fringe salmon
#

it means that it most commonly refers to the mean, not that average means most common..

solid bough
#

okay true but none of us are going to add up all these.

fringe salmon
#

we also cant just add them up since that wouldnt make sense as they are gpu names not performance numbers in the list

solid bough
#

aye

#

what it is is is the percentage amount detected from steam of the user's hardware. and 6 percent of those within the survey, a higher percentage than all others : is the 1060.

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and all i'm saying is the Steam Deck just has to beat that.

fringe salmon
#

I mean I disagree but we can go with that and it still doesnt really do it since van gogh is more or less on a 1050-ish level

feral ferry
#

Steam deck isn't beating that

solid bough
#

beat it performance wise*

feral ferry
#

Idk what you are really smoking if you think the Deck can actually touch the 1060

#

That card is very capable for its time, and now

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iGPUs can't compete, for now

#

Now in theory if you slap 24 graphical CUs

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Into an APU

fringe salmon
#

oh they can, just not in that form factor with that thermal envelope

feral ferry
#

Now that, is a whole another type of beast

severe compass
#

One issue with the survey is that includes a lot of laptop gpus

solid bough
#

we'll see. I haven't seen shitty performance, nor have I seen performance that have gone below or past my expectations.

feral ferry
#

Laptop stuff is always fun

solid bough
#

my laptop stuff was not fun >.<

feral ferry
#

3060 laptop is like desktop 1050 lul

#

Obviously it's not but

solid bough
#

intel breaking nvidia drivers

feral ferry
#

Boy laptop market is scuffed

fringe salmon
#

not reaching desktop performance also doesnt mean its shit performance since you need a lot less to drive something thats not even full hd

fading spade
feral ferry
#

I am having second thoughts about actually switching to Linux nowadays

#

All of the weird people are running Linux

fading spade
#

Xd

feral ferry
#

I hate Win11 but I'd rather use Windows than adhere to the weirdos

fading spade
#

Duh

#

Ew

solid bough
#

yeeeeeeeeeeeee same here. i have a boot of windows on the side for a couple stuff though. but I run my laptop and desktop with an arch build.

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linux isn't weirdo.

fading spade
#

I meant in using a distro that's Arch but some extra repos xd it's called ArcoLinux

solid bough
#

where do you think your windows or dos came from if not from unix? ๐Ÿ˜›

fading spade
#

Wat

#

Well
Maybe inspiration

#

NT kernel is freaking old

solid bough
#

Unix goes super way back. legit 60s.

fading spade
#

Wait
Dos kernel cane before that

#

Yeh...
Unix is old boi

solid bough
#

well, technially 60s*..... 69 counts.

fading spade
#

Nice

fading spade
feral ferry
#

At least windows furries don't make themselves known as much as linux ones

#

You give linux a bad image lul

solid bough
#

Furries run the technology infrastructure.

fading spade
#

:')

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That's a windows only game

solid bough
#

hey i was a furry long long before i even touched a linux OS

#

also how am I giving anyone a bad name? I haven't done anything bad.

feral ferry
#

VRc is a containment chamber

fading spade
#

Xd

feral ferry
#

As long as they remain there, they can't hurt anyone

fading spade
#

Year.. At this rate

fringe salmon
#

oh btw the steam deck also has less than half the pixel count a fullHD screen has, so clearly it can get the same done in terms of frame rate with a lot less power

fading spade
#

Less that half of 1080?

fringe salmon
#

yes

feral ferry
#

It's called 720p, lana

fading spade
#

1280x800

solid bough
#

you didn't know the screen wasn't 1080?

fading spade
#

That's over half

fringe salmon
#

its 1200*800 not standard 720

fading spade
#

Yeah?

#

More pixels?

solid bough
#

i am pretty sure 1200x800 is within the correct aspect ratio. but I'll check.

feral ferry
#

Idk man

feral ferry
#

It looks like 1080p has more pixels

#

More than double

fading spade
#

Duh

#

Oh

#

Wait

#

Area

#

Nvm

#

I'm stupid af

feral ferry
#

We know that, don't worry

fading spade
#

Yes

feral ferry
#

Everyone embraced that by now

fading spade
#

I'm aware

#

I'm waiting for portal 2 to download

#

I wanna play but I can't until tomorrow night

#

;_;

solid bough
#

original HD back in the 90s/00s was 1280x720, 16:9. what the deck is using is WXGA, 8:5

#

now in comparison....

fringe salmon
#

can you no longer see old steam surveys

#

was going to see how much that 800p resolution usage jumped since deck release

#

currently its not a lot

fading spade
#

0.93% on ultrawide

fringe salmon
#

what

#

thats not the only ultrawide resolution

solid bough
#

it still checks out, its still proper hd resolution. i'ts not 1080 super hd but still proper 720 hd

fading spade
#

I forget the other resolution

solid bough
#

yeah there's not much sense for people to stick to old monitors. unless theres nmot much choice. there's so much cheap 1080 screens.

fading spade
#

I miss my 21:9 display
Mostly for playing Minecraft
16:9 Minecraft is so cramped now

solid bough
#

i'm part of the my screen is too wide i regret crowd

fading spade
#

32:9?

#

Xd

fringe salmon
#

ah found january

solid bough
#

3440x1440, ye

fringe salmon
#

so about .3% more in the steam deck resolution lol

solid bough
#

why an older one?

fading spade
#

Use a tiling window manager
Easy and efficient use of wide af screen

fringe salmon
solid bough
#

oh.

#

that number isn't going to go up much because the deck isn't as widely available

fading spade
#

Yeah....

solid bough
#

you'll have to give it time

#

and also include Switch stats

#

since thats a 720 screen

#

which

#

sold shitlaods

fringe salmon
#

since when is steam on the switch

#

what

solid bough
#

its a gaming device that uses a 720 screen

fringe salmon
#

??

solid bough
#

it is viable.

fading spade
#

Valve: release a gaming device that runs Arch linux to millions of people who don't even know what linux is

Brave move....

fringe salmon
#

its the STEAM hardware survery

solid bough
#

thats why i said add

#

if we're to go with 720 popularity

fringe salmon
#

but why would I want that if I want to see desktop/ desktop like things where the switch clearly doest belong in?

solid bough
#

then don't.

fringe salmon
#

if I would want all gaming devices I'd have to add xbox and ps too

solid bough
#

but if we want to look at 720p game viability, then it's valid to consider it.

#

sure but I doubt you'll find much stats for those, maybe.

fringe salmon
#

oh those are easy stats to find

solid bough
#

majority of those are going to be 720, 900, and i guess nowadays titles trying to bring out 1080. btu thats if we're trying to determine popularity or viability of resolutions.

fringe salmon
#

anyway back to the original point, steam deck 2 is probably using little phenoix aka zen4/rdna3 and that is going to be a massive boost that should make it a lot better for a nice screen

#

and would show valve wont do a google and abandon a project heh

solid bough
#

now i think valve suggesting a deck 2 so soon is def not a good thing.

#

it's gonna Osborne Effect so damn hard

#

its extreme bad, especially since they are selling it at a loss

fringe salmon
#

oh valve aint saying anything about that lol

#

I'm just looking at what the next APU is that would be able to replace it and what would make sense, valve isnt confirmed to be buying that etc.

solid bough
#

ah. i'd imagine the proper move would be to wait for the one after the that or two gens laters.

#

depends on the overall success of the deck.

#

extreme bold move.

#

which... a move they can actually afford honestly.

fringe salmon
#

nah wont make sense to wait even longer, they cant do a switch and let it run on super old hardware for years

#

keep in mind steam deck already is just running zen2, so the next APU already is 2 cpu gens ahead

#

and cpu is the main part you want for low resolution

feral ferry
#

Speaking of games

#

I guess Armored Core is pretty much confirmed at this point

solid bough
#

honestly i think the biggest fault was, and i can't remember the exact terminology, was an issue with some kind of conflict with the cpu aspect and the gpu aspect of the chip fighting over the same memory and not getting along.

fringe salmon
#

no thats shared memory and that is a good design

feral ferry
#

Someone when updating from's site forgot to update the title

fringe salmon
#

its the same consoles do

solid bough
#

yeah when they share but there was an issue where they weren't sharing. maybe they fixed it or i am misremembering.

feral ferry
#

Armored Core seems like an interesting game for 2022-2023

fringe salmon
#

I think you are misremembering or mixing it up with something else

#

and yea an AC remake could be a weird game but I trust from

#

metal wolf chaos remake when

solid bough
#

true, me thinks I am misremembering

severe compass
#

Remember the valve steam machines? I don't

fringe salmon
#

you could say they are.. an Artifact

solid bough
#

those were by third parties. do you expect alienware to put out a decently made product? dies of laughter

fringe salmon
#

nothing stopped valve from making clear rules on how/what they have to be like

#

and if the first product wasnt decent they shouldve just no launched it

severe compass
#

The idea was fairly half baked
I remember the claims
"Like a console, but upgradable! Xbox killers!"

Running Linux of course so you would immediately need to get Windows running as you can imagine Linux game compatibility was way worse back then. And all these """console killers""" were priced 3 timed higher with half the performance.

I feel like Valve got swept up in their own hype and didn't have an honest look at their product.

The steam deck is a much better product, but given how Valve's interests seem to change with the wind I am worried a Steamdeck 2 won't make an appearance

fringe salmon
#

It depends on what they end up doing with the deckard

#

I feel like that is what decides how they continue the deck more so than the deck itself

feral ferry
#

Deckard is their way of running Alyx on the Index lul

#

Slap a deck, dock it into Index, boom, Deckard

fallow bronze
#

yeha.. i dont think the deck would be enough to push a index at alex levels

fringe salmon
#

well, keep in mind there are quite a lot of leaks that point towards it being split workloads with more than 1 chip so it could work

fallow bronze
#

so.. 2 deck belt to drive alex on an index?

fringe salmon
#

nah as in an XR2 and a separate x86 chip potentially

#

or maybe it will only use the future deck as standalone part, there are a lot of things that could happen, but it's likely more like the pimax that already announced split rendering for the 12k

fading spade
fringe salmon
#

steam sale ends in an hour btw

fading spade
#

o

trim rock
#

Oh

small comet
fading spade
#

oh oh

#

owo oh

fading spade
#

all you xbox bussy players, its not too late to have access to the greastest gaming console of all time, the PS5

#

๐Ÿค”

#

I dont even brush my teeth, I just look in the mirror and say "ps 5 ps 5 ps 5 ps 5 ps 5" and my teeth just get whiter

#

we are floating above our games, xbox players cant see them cause xbox gamers cant see games, cause they dont exist on xbox

solid bough
#

that person whack

fading spade
#

then we got the PC peasents that wait 4 years to get their games

#

4 years for horizon
4 years for god of war
4 years for spiderman

fringe salmon
#

once again, wtf are you quoting

fading spade
#

idk what yall (xbox users) have, yall got pathways to bussy, we've got pathways to games
this guy really seems to like bussy.... and talking about painting nails

Maybe hes hiding something ๐Ÿ‘€

#

maybe hes closeted and in denial

#

HES GOT BUSSY ON HIS MIND

#

:')

solid bough
#

"PC Peasant" pfffft. yeah nah. we aint waiting 4 years for any game.

#

as if these exclusives are the be-all endall of all games that everyone has to play.

#

man I hate elitists like that.

#

and I'm someone that plays PC craploads.

fringe salmon
#

yeah that definitely sounds like a ps elitist and definitely not like a troll

solid bough
#

its near impossible to tell.

#

Poe's Law

fading spade
#

Leadhead always asks the real questions in video games <3

solid bough
#

there shouldn't be exclusivities anyways

#

the concept fo the Killer App dates back more than 50 years ago, for a problem that doesn't exist today.

fading spade
#

It pisses me off that Epic battle Apple over exclusive use of their payment method on apps in the play store,
yet Epic literally ripped Metro from Steam right before its release and you cant get it on Steam anymore

solid bough
#

the thing with apple and google regarding fortnite was Epic was trying to go AROUND the payment stores of those two for micro-transactions and stuff in-game which breaks their rules for their app stores.

fading spade
#

yeah....

#

Epic dun goofed

solid bough
#

for greed

fading spade
#

Epic are the only PC company that want exclusive games

solid bough
#

oh yeah and they got into a cerfluffal with that steam thing. steam immediately changed policy to where you can't use steam to advertise your fucking game before pulling it to a different platform.

fading spade
#

Pretty much every one else are fine with allowing players to get the games from Steam, even if they must use another launcher when they run them

solid bough
#

er, i wouldn't classify it as a "PC company"

fading spade
#

well, game dev company?

#

ah better name "windows games company"

solid bough
#

at this point its multiple thing but we can go with studio.

fading spade
#

(nah, fortnite works on Mac too)

fringe salmon
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solid bough
#

no wait. Publisher is what they are now*

solid bough
fringe salmon
#

I know

solid bough
#

so, yeah.

fringe salmon
#

but lana said you cant get it on steam

solid bough
#

oooohhh.

#

they might not have noticed it came back.

small comet
#

nono lana often makes statements without researching them adequately

fringe salmon
#

I dont like how epic are doing things since the base idea is something thats actually helpful for consumers so I am critiquing what I dont like I just hate the constant epic hate for reasons that are not or no longer accurate

solid bough
#

maybe but i'm not gonna assume the worst of someone.

#

they pulled some extreme shady stunts.

#

and are connected with TenCent

fringe salmon
#

yeah and so is riot, blizzard, ubisoft etc.

#

yet that argument is never brought up for them usually

solid bough
#

oh I 100% do.

fringe salmon
#

instead its some idiot who cant use wireshark correctly and thinks epic isnooping in all of your files lol

solid bough
#

fuck Activision-Blizzard in particular.

#

lol i remember that debacle.

fringe salmon
#

thats how we end up with false complaints about them instead of valid ones that could be changed if people complain about them instead

solid bough
#

which country is EPIC Games listed under? I'm sure either US or Europe : they'd get their ass widened by laws if they were found selling info. maybe. hopefully

fringe salmon
#

idk doesnt matter

#

GDPR doesnt care where you live to fine you to death

solid bough
#

I wish we had better control over here. Loot boxes is 100% gambling and its sickening that its not viewed as such.

#

we had fights over whether trading cards were considered gambling and the only reason it wasn't legally was because it had physical value and was tradable. can't do that shit with digital items that you see this deployed with.

#

we almost had video game regulations here in the states

#

but then lobbyism convinced them "self regulation" was the best course. and it's gotten worse since.

fading spade
#

I just realised
the new sculk sensors are basically people on twitter
easily triggered
unless you sneak by them

solid bough
#

sculk?

fading spade
#

the new thing in the Deep Dark

#

that detects movement and sound

#

so you got to sneak by them so they dont detect you

#

LOL DOC

solid bough
#

oh, minecraft

fading spade
#

thats the warden

#

kills yuo with two hits

#

always

#

ignores armor

bleak pike
#

@fading spade any weakness?

fading spade
#

nu

#

well

#

if you spawn them via triggering skulks with arrows you can make them spawn where you want them and kill them by luring them inti a pit

#

HEK YEH!!!!

orchid prism
fading spade
fringe salmon
#

pretty much that, it's just a shame epic are doing some other very dumb decisions on top of it

fading spade
#

Yes
but the other launchers dont force you to get the games exclusively from them
Every game I have on every other launcher other than Epic, I got through Steam

#

Epic makes it ONLY on Epic

fringe salmon
#

meanwhile origin going back to steam, like you dont need it at all anymore for apex etc. is only as a result of epic store existing

fading spade
#

huh?

fringe salmon
#

if epic wasnt around you can be sure all of them would have slowly started to separate themselves

fading spade
#

?

fringe salmon
#

EA only started to go back to steam when epic forced steam to cut sales tax to 20% for the top selling games

fading spade
#

oh

fringe salmon
#

also from the beginning every exclusive was timed exclusive

#

only some few are not like rocket league but thats also because they literally own the game

fading spade
#

the Marching of the Wardens

#

๐Ÿค”
TIL Docm77, the metalhead, went to an Alicia Keys concert last week

#

Not who Id expect him to listen to xd

solid bough
#

Simply not true. Pc gaming has existed in multiple playforms for a long time, from magazine catalogs to brick and motor to digital.
The issue is the HOW Epic Games does their exclusivity.

Steam simply did it better than others way back.

fringe salmon
#

not sure how the situation back then is an argument for why it's not like that today

solid bough
#

Because its not like that

#

You have a plentitude of platforms

#

Steam is simply the mpst popular

fringe salmon
#

what else comes even close

#

others existing doesnt really mean its a viable alternative

solid bough
#

Does that matter when you have other options?

fringe salmon
#

yes because other options existing does not make them relevant

solid bough
#

GoG is most assurdly relevant

#

As well as Microsofts store

fringe salmon
#

yeah thats why they are so far in the negatives because they have so many users..

solid bough
#

Especially microsofts game pass.

#

Its stupidly popular too

#

How can you dismiss that one?

#

So far in the negatives?

#

Steam has negatives too.

#

Whats going on with GoG that it can be dismissed as a platform entirely?

fringe salmon
#

steam is not in the negatives with how much money they make lol

solid bough
#

You didnt say negatives fina cially or popularity. But we were talking avout popularity or viability. Which is it?

fringe salmon
#

im saying gog is financially in the negatives becuase they dont have enough users lol

#

if the entire profit for the year 2020 was less than 30kโ‚ฌ I cant see how they are big enough to be a relevant alternative

solid bough
#

Did they say thay was an amount that put them in the red?

#

Also either way that doesn't change the validity of the platform.

#

Thats just popularity in regards to old games that people mostly get free elsewhere

#

Its still a PC platform os a niche

#

Now address the microsoft one

fringe salmon
#

The storefront saw a slight increase in revenue but a net loss of around $1.14 million in the last financial quarter

#

from november

#

and sure it might be a niche but then it cant really be an alternative otherwise it wouldnt be a niche product

solid bough
#

You aren't the owner

#

So this doesn't mean anything relevant to the argument

#

You, as a customer, can freely use it at your descretion as an alternative to steam for certain games

fringe salmon
#

also ms store also started with exclusives..

#

yes but me being able to do it and people actually doing it is a difference

solid bough
#

Not sure what you mean

fringe salmon
#

his argument was people arent looking at other stores and 99% or whatever the number is are not looking at gog, doesnt matter if they could use it or not

solid bough
#

You know you can buy games there, right?

#

Its not all subscription

#

I don't know how you dont know that

#

Unless you never once looked at it

#

Which means you never tried

#

Eitherway, whatever

fringe salmon
#

and since the argument started with exclusives, they also have/had them

#

its only recent that they added halo and such also on steam

#

sea of thieves came to steam like 2 years after release

fading spade
#

Doc's losing his mind at this part of the video xd

bleak pike
#

Such a disappointment

orchid prism
#

Oh?

#

I'll have to watch for sure then

#

Hohoho... HOTS officially legacy game now.

trim rock
#

I thought it already was

orchid prism
#

Blizzard had better strike platinum with Overdoge 2, or they're going to have to scrape another layer of the barrel. pepeLaugh

bleak pike
orchid prism
#

Doesn't look it. No more than No Man's Cartoon Pirate Game.

#

Not that I give a shit - It's another always online game from Ubi. Not touching it with a ten foot firepole.

#

I'm appalled that there appears to be zero character combat though - They literally took out some of the best things from AC4 and made it into an MMO.

#

AC4... another Ubi game that will be impossible to 100% when Ubi kills the servers.

barren pewter
#

for good reason or not so good reasons?

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if there's multiplayer achievements, that makes sense

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if it's the Mad Max scrap crews again, then I'd be pissed

fading spade
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๐Ÿค”

ashen lark
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Windows mm

fringe salmon
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should I now post the console showing I cant enter a directory in linux where I removed rw access?

fading spade
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im so confused

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why does Genshin have printer support dlls?

small comet
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probably cause it has agb/tos u can print

fringe salmon
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still cant transfer servers, new servers still overloaded havo

small comet
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mainly not fucking it up, cheating and in general modding gamefiles

fringe salmon
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ik I meant that as it being as normal on windows as its on linux that you can remove access or have it set up wrongly

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aka nothing special

feral ferry
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Kojima needs inspirations for his next game

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Up next: assassinating the PM

fading spade
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Apparatus

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seriously

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why tf is using arrows to guide players in video games COPYRIGHTED?????

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how can you gett away with copyrighting a fucking arrow?

fringe salmon
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what are you even talking about

bleak pike
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Fuck Nvidia

fading spade
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Sega copyrighted the use of arrows to guide players in video games

bleak pike
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Also fuck Nintendo

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But also that was meant for tech talk oops

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Anyway fuck nintendo for local saves only, im scared of losing my AC saving rn

fringe salmon
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are you talking about that thing from over 20 years ago...

fading spade
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did you not enable the ingame cloud save?

fading spade
bleak pike
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That costs you money hun

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Not everyone is on their family's nintendo

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๐Ÿ˜‰

fading spade
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go the game settings and activate island recovery or whatever tf the option is called

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oh...

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also

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its not MY family's plan xd

bleak pike
fading spade
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its my friend's family's plan xd

bleak pike
fringe salmon
fading spade
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hmm , idk how long they copyrighted it for

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lemme search

fringe salmon
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couldve just said yes or no

severe compass
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Thankfully patents unlike copyright, expires

orchid prism
severe compass
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Don't think I can say copyright expires if everytime Disney's work is about to go public domain copyright gets extended yet again. If my great grandkids are lucky cartoons my dad watched as a kid might hit public domain

orchid prism
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They're running out of extensions.

rancid hearth
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////.........zxzxzxzxzxzxzxzxxzxzxzxxxxzzzthis is a teson the wooting 50 he

orchid prism
rancid hearth
fading spade
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Microsoft: Uses RTX shaders in Minecraft on Xbox Series X ads to sell the console
Also Microsoft: Does not allow players to use RTX shaders in Minecraft on Xbox

fringe salmon
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there is no rtx on console

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rtx is an nvidia term

fading spade
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nevertheless, they used shaders on their trailers and ads for the console

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yet you cannot use shaders yourself in the game

fading spade
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o.o

bleak pike
fading spade
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the problem is, does he take part or go to stare at them ...

bleak pike
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I remember theories about them bringing back pc on purpose

fringe salmon
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yes its just the first example that came to mind from more than a few years ago

bleak pike
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Aye another one that is better is rainbow six

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Siege

fading spade
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<3 <3

fossil solar
fading spade
fringe salmon
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but why

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put a controller on pc and you get the same pain trying to do anything

trim rock
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Dev anywhere

fading spade
feral ferry
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Poor BB

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BB got canned

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By a PM assassin

nimble current
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is this some qanon shitpost

fringe salmon
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that one is older but its related to people picking up the false name of the guy who killed the ex minister of japan

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so basically kojima after making games that 20 years ago said misinformation from the internet is really really bad is now the living example of it

solid bough
fringe salmon
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have you looked at what the video is about

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as in watched part of it and not just the thumbnail

solid bough
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does that change that you can still plug a keyboard, mouse, and monitor into it?

fringe salmon
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yes

solid bough
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WOW

fringe salmon
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because thats not what its about

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its not about using the deck as a tiny pc

solid bough
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I already stopped stopped engaging because of the answer to the question. just wow.

fading spade
fringe salmon
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ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

fading spade
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I said he uses keyboard and mouse when I linked the video

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waitm that was in the other server

fringe salmon
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but you said nothing when you linked it..

fading spade
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yeh

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I didn in other

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nvbm xd

fringe salmon
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then when I skipped though the vide(as there was no context) I guess I just landed on the parts where he only used the deck controllers

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but then

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its even less interresting

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at least that would've been something unique

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now its just the same as a laptop or using a NUC with screen

trim rock
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Yes I do want to type out a lot of code with dual trackpad typing mmmmm...

fringe salmon
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well I imagined it would be by using visual scripting and all that and not a text editor for scripts

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it would work, you would get clicks, I would still call it dumb but at least it would be something else lol

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now its just "can you use this pc to do pc things" xD

fringe salmon
ashen lark
fading spade
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you can even listen to Daughter on it!!!

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amazing!

ashen lark
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It indeed is then:D

solid bough
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and thats why I asked the question that I asked

fringe salmon
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yeah or you couldve just pointed me to the video timestamp he used mouse and keyboard since I misunderstood it..

solid bough
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I didn't have to as my question didn't require it.

fringe salmon
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or said anything in that regard

solid bough
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it seems you maybe never even read my question.

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heck, I asked two questions

fringe salmon
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you question seems to be not even about that the video showed something else than I thought but about a completely different point..

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but idk what rubbed you wrong today so I'll just drop it here

solid bough
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The point with question 1 was : you weren't aware that you could plug in peripherals into the steam deck given what you said, which was : "put a controller on pc and you get the same pain trying to do anything" in regards to gamdeving on it, as if it could only be done with gamepad controls on the steam deck.

fringe salmon
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I was aware that you can do it but that was not the point of the video or so I thought at that point

solid bough
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question 2.. we don't even need to address it : you yourself admitted to not even watching it but wished to admonish me for just looking at the thumbnail.

fringe salmon
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no that was an actual question since I at that part did not fully watch it so I just wanted to make sure we're on the same point

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ofc if you then reply in a way that basically implies you did not watch it, I cant really assume that the video then was about something else..

solid bough
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the entire thing wasn't hinged upon me watching it or not. I knew that one could indeed plug pherhiphals into it and do computer things because... its a computer :V and your beef wasn't about performance. it was about... it being more of a gamepad. which was ridiculous.