if that debt becomes worthless
#🎮│game
barren pewter
everyone is fucked
same with the US dollar
it's used for trading because it's stable
if that changes
everyone is fucked
@proper cargo make some sense?
proper cargo
Air is needed to breathe
barren pewter
really?
proper cargo
Yes.
barren pewter
I explain some basic economics hyper simplified and you talk aboot air?
proper cargo
You asked me to make sense
proper cargo
Ofcourse i do
barren pewter
I was worried for a moment there
fallow bronze
~7 days till creeper world 4
barren pewter
~14 days till 2077
fallow bronze
im way more excited for creeperworld 🙂
fallow bronze
i'm more excited for the vaccine
ashen lark
bleak pike
shell willow
Square lost 7 billion yen this year because lol Avengers
novel umbra
idk what they expected
novel umbra
lol
orchid prism
Don't trust anything that hasn't already been announced from the leak.
fringe salmon
Hades 
barren pewter
nice
fossil solar
I’m just gonna nominate teardown for everything
orchid prism
Uh oh.
keen urchin
Tbh, I would have nominated Factorio for almost every category
Gameplay, art style, support, community
It's just one of the best games ever in almost every aspect
proper cargo
No, nominate Friendship with Benefits
Its the best erotic visual novel ive ever seen. Beating the sakura games by a long shot
proper cargo
Aaaand mechwarrior 5 also postponed their steam release due to cyberjunkie
feral ferry
Factorio does NOT win art style
Or gameplay I'd say
Too repetitive
Art isn't even comparable to Hades
Hades is just on another level
Gameplay is also, shallow
orchid prism
Given how I have three choices... Factorio definitely gets Art here xD
As well as innovation.
...ffs
My awards didn't save.
Thanks Obama. xD
feral ferry
Wait these aren't the Geoff Keighley's game awards we are talking about?
slim token
then just dont lmao
feral ferry
It'll be spoilered so it's at your discretion
||New character "Rose" is introduced, either Ethan or Chris will suffer from mutations, later Chris will kill Ethan and you'll play as Chris, Chris will later persuade Rose to suicide and she'll explode herself, while escaping on a helicopter||
Posting the WHOLE plot line found in code
orchid prism
I can read it - Cause I don't care about RE xD
feral ferry
||
!Cars collide, Elena and 2F Secondary / Heading to Elena and the Attic_Secondary / Miranda killing Urien_secondary / Mrs. Dmitresk's Threat_Secondary / Mrs. Mutation in the Tower_Secondary / Resolve the misunderstanding with ChrisSecondary / Resolve the misunderstanding with Chris (second half) / Miranda appears and Ethan dies secondary / Chris edition start_secondary / Giant Kadu Bomb Installation_Secondary
Giant Kadu Bomb Installation_Director Check / Mia rescue_secondary / Confronting MirandaSecondary
Defeat Miranda Entrust Rose to self-destruct secondary / Chris and Mia _ Secondary to escape with a helicopters!<
||
This is the whole plot
So ||Miranda|| is a ||secret antagonist here||
fringe salmon
so you devide to do a massive spoiler text
then just spoil shit without it
?????
just put it all behind spoilers
feral ferry
Eh you make sense
bleak pike
Lmao
feral ferry
And ||Mrs. Dmitresk as previously rumoured, is a member of the Connections, group similar to umbrella that make highly advanced viruses||
Honestly, sounds good
Bit simple, but good
fossil solar
Hades is definitely pretty great
fringe salmon
yup, got a nice 73 hours from it to do all of the story, gonna wait for some update that adds some changes or so to finish side quests/challenges
orchid prism
It's that diablo esque game with the Greek gods yes?
fringe salmon
ya
not that extreme in hack/slash in terms of numbers of enemies as diable can go though
also more of a rogulike with boons you get for the each run only, not permanent gear (you get some weapon upgrades etc. too ofc)
gloomy prawn
@proper cargo this person's videos are making the rounds lately, but the one that is the weirdest is this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np2Jog1LAAQ
To whomever watching this, if you get enough of the death threats in this video, just skip to 3:12, I don't think you'll see it coming.
fading spade
feral ferry
It is an old game
That they repurposed for tank simulator battles
Dunno I could only think of these
My nominations would change if shit wasn't epic or console only but eh
bleak pike
proper cargo
ayea but
il-2 sturmovik was made by gaijin right? and is running on an engine similar to war thunder. so changing il-2 to tank combat doesnt seem like that hard
feral ferry
Il2 sturmovik has nothing to do with Gaijin afaik
Il2 sturmovik predates Gaijin by many years
orchid prism
They made birds of prey.
But they aren't the originators of the series.
IL2 isn't just a series so to speak. It's the name of a plane.
Can't copyright that.
Trademark*
feral ferry
Mansen, we all know what Il-2 Sturmovik is
orchid prism
Well apparently not 
😆
feral ferry
I see nothing to suggest that I don't
Funny thing was the sturmovik, the thing had so much armor germans hated it
Then Soviets also mounted rockets on it
proper cargo
it was also slow and anti air had more time to place accurate shots on it. the only reason why they continued using the plane was because it used the same engine as the BT tanks, which were all scrapped
they had to use the engine for something
orchid prism
My point is - You can't trademark Sturmovik. EA/Dice could decided to do a game called "IL2 Sturmovik : Electric Boogaloo F to Pay Respect" and it'd be fine.
So... Gaijin's game didn't have to have anything to do with the originators.
feral ferry
It's part of the official series
proper cargo
feral ferry
1C prolly just outsourced the game to Gaijin
orchid prism
Seems like yeah.
feral ferry
Now we'll enter the magical world of pirate bay @proper cargo
proper cargo
still need the original
feral ferry
If you want a good air sim, that's a great place to start
Dam can't wait for DCS and Ace Combat 7 in VR
proper cargo
i tried koikatsu party. wasnt really interesting. maybe for the true waifu freak, not me. thought it had a story or something but its hardly something.
ghostrunner seems like fun
if only they were positive when the game released
ME Andromeda
orchid prism
Ghostrunner is crazy fun if you like instadeath mechanics.
It's all about execution.
proper cargo
il just play on baby mode :p
orchid prism
Like... Meatboy style games meat (huehue) something like
Uhh... what was the name of that Shadow... warrior? dragon? Forgot
proper cargo
never did play that
orchid prism
It's like Doom, except you do parkour and you're a cyber ninja 😄
orchid prism
Kick it up a notch. You're constantly running on walls and bouncing off of stuff 😄
proper cargo
didnt like that in call of duty advanced warfare. probably wont like that there either
orchid prism
Since one hit is death. So you really exploit the dimensional aspect to get above/beside projectiles.
proper cargo
im more of the shotgun to the face kinda guy
orchid prism
Katana to the face good enough? 😄
proper cargo
can it shoot blades? 😛
orchid prism
You DO unlock some ranged stuff iirc.
But your katana is the main weapon for parrying timed attacks and returning a favour 😄
proper cargo
avengers
buy an i7 10900k with avengers box art (game not included)
seriously. great marketing
feral ferry
If you like running around wrecking shit, My Friend Pedro recently released on steam
proper cargo
maybe i will install the outer worlds again
feral ferry
Outer Worlds was so bad..
proper cargo
played worse. didnt think it was that bad
proper cargo
sakuna of rice and ruin. listening to that dub. just aweful cringe
feral ferry
Dunno that's the only game I could think of that wasn't already on the list
bleak pike
@proper cargo tbh....
credit were credit is due
it looks a lot bewtter than most games on steam in that genre
xD
slim token
anyone know how to cap Superliminal without vsync
bleak pike
@slim token nvidia control panel
proper cargo
that game, haydee 2
it has some uhh....
interesting in-game art
great idea's for games
bleak pike
Love it
fading spade
GG Origin
proper cargo
ah yes. i always love to ":%@#$&$@:LplayL&@#,:;"#$ my games
frosty dew
guess some format got changed, and someone forgot this part of the text
though tbh, origin client is kind of bugged and messy for some reason due to seemingly bad coding of a website/browser implementation into it
ripe tendon
How does water work in Ireland?
frosty dew
water works?
ripe tendon
yeah, wages are low though
bleak pike
@fading spade I mean, it’s a simulation
orchid prism
Was about to say... Lana. You're in the Matrix to TRAIN 😄
That's not how it works normally.
fading spade
LEL
fading spade
This game is fun :D
The level I am on now is so neat, you have to parkour on platforms and then fight when you land
proper cargo
fired up the outer worlds now. started a new game. i dunno. its still fun. i remember it as fun. 😛
placid garden
I only did one playthrough but it felt so short
proper cargo
i played it once when it released. didnt think it had the same hold as fallout 4. i mean, i started a new game in fallout 4 over 5x before i actually finished the story line. there was always another answer i wanted to try, a different outcome that could have gone better XD story didnt interest me in the slightest. but with outer worlds i thought it had a good story. went through it once from start to end and that was it. didnt had any insentive to start a new game or anything.
now im playing a new playthrough simply cause im bored till cyberjunkie releases
WHICH I WANTED TO ENJOY ON HIGHEST GRAPHICS IF I HAD A NEW CPU AND GRAPHICS CARD TO ENJOY IT WITH
fuck 2020
placid garden
what cpu and gpu you have anyways
proper cargo
3600 with a 2070 non super
placid garden
eh you should be fine, I have a 3700x and a 2070 super
unless you’re playing on a higher resolution?
frosty dew
idk. i was kind of hopeful for outer worlds, considering those were the same fools behind new vegas, which i replayed quite a lot.
on and off steam. on computer and console.
...
idk. it kinda didnt have the same appeal?
i mean sure it was written beautiful, but i guess there is something i cant put into words right now that bothered me. lol.
what reso, jeru?
resolutioon
frosty dew
maybe the issue is that it's too close to the actual situation irl atm...
compared to a bit more of a slowed down pace
and i do think the places are a little bit shallow, if you really think about it
or at least, not that much connected?
idk
there is something that feels off
like
distanced?
not sure
placid garden
yeah there’s no like
synergy with the other maps
I didn’t really like the combat system too much either
frosty dew
combat felt a little clunky, i agree
i mean, fallout 3 or new vegas neither were that good at combat
but i guess it inserted itself more neatly?
and yeah, i think the different maps and places werent that greatly exectued, though i admit the idea behind it isnt really bad
but i guess they felt a bit too small, narrow and constricted than what we are used to with the massive open worlds.
like far cry 5, horizon zero dawn, rdr2, etc
orchid prism
Outer Worlds was just so... linear and short.
proper cargo
unless you’re playing on a higher resolution?
i wanna play 5120x1440p on that ultra ultra wide screen of mine 😛 im gonna need a 3080 or a 6800xt
orchid prism
14 hours. 14 ... hours.
frosty dew
i mean, dishonored 1 and 2 also kind of have the same thing, with narrow, small areas between stuff. but it was still kind of exciting somehow
orchid prism
Yeah no - I did more than enough of them.
frosty dew
i think this linear was also the biggest issue, you're right mansen
feral ferry
Outer Worlds marketed itself as being deved by the people who made New Vegas, but the game had nothing to do with it
orchid prism
It wasn't marketed as though it did.
It was all about the way they wrote dialogue and world built.
feral ferry
I'll give them the story and dialogue thingy
proper cargo
Yeah no - I did more than enough of them.
feral ferry
But the world was boring
proper cargo
no you didnt
if you did ALL the side missions, you would have atleast a day of fun :p
orchid prism
Hahaha
frosty dew
i really really hope i can sink a lifetime into CP77
feral ferry
CP77 is at least 100 hours of pure fun
Though recently I heard it'll be same shit as Witcher 3
proper cargo
yea i mean, i just started a new game and a freaking ball on a stick 2 hits everyone out here XD
feral ferry
Combat isn't their primary concern
placid garden
ngl I might just wait after reviews come around
feral ferry
And combat in Witcher wasn't that good
Reviews are out already though
Well pre-reviews
frosty dew
have you played witcher 1 or witcher 2? 
feral ferry
No
frosty dew
i tried
feral ferry
Cause when I wanted to, my A4-5300 APU set itself on fire
frosty dew
and trust me when i said, i tried.
feral ferry
On 1 FPS
placid garden
orchid prism
Outer Worlds came pre-broken. Charisma and... science? completely ruined combat to the point where anything would die in single hits.
proper cargo
sadly, i cant wait. im one of the lucky guys in the netherlands that was able to snatch a cyberjunkie 2069 deluxe edition for 200 quit 😄
once it arrived, i have to play it
feral ferry
You can already steal it from stores
frosty dew
you mean like with all the bonus stuff and this figurine thingy?
proper cargo
ITS AN ACTION FIGURE
frosty dew
where do you live? 
orchid prism
The CE figure is shit. Gimme that original press figure.
proper cargo
where do you live? <:GWvictoriaMeguFace:371323891626541057>
one night stand and u can have it, no regrets
placid garden
woah there
feral ferry
11 - 23, De Wallen, Amsterdam, Netherlands @frosty dew
proper cargo
frosty dew
half of me is intrigued.
feral ferry
Ain't that true though?
frosty dew
the other is not amused
proper cargo
yes, send her to the wallen
proper cargo
and they are doing overtime. with more people at home being depressed n shit, those ho's are doing good business
feral ferry
Oof
feral ferry
Tbh if I as much as look at one of the windows, my wife would smack me
frosty dew
i'll rather just steal it from you.
placid garden
🤔
feral ferry
But that means you getting close to him though
proper cargo
you can steal it from me, but if i caught you, im gonna have me some fun 😛
placid garden
what’s in the windows
feral ferry
And Jerry is a convicted serial rapist
frosty dew
... you say that like it is supposed to scare me off
frosty dew
🤔
proper cargo
saki rape fetish confirmed
frosty dew
uh, there might be at least two other guys who'd want a word with you...
proper cargo
an orgy. kinky
frosty dew
... not quite sure they are into that
proper cargo
fine by me, they can watch while im giving you the time of ur life 🥰
feral ferry
Talk about cringy
placid garden
😐
feral ferry
Bruh that was so corny I want to leave
frosty dew
i'm leaving now.
frosty dew
I'm sorry, but your princess is on another server.
proper cargo
wait, aint quin there as well?
feral ferry
Might take a peek into what Quin is doing yeah
placid garden
🗿
frosty dew
yeah okay, leaving def. is the best option now.
i think i still have some stuff for cake
proper cargo
well, have fun with the cake
feral ferry
His attack is innefective!
Saki drops the pics on Jerry
Jerry was caught in confusion!
It's super effective!
That and more, on WootiMon, got to catch them all
novel umbra
oh boy this brings 2014 back
orchid prism
Don't be silly - Skyrim was released in 2017
feral ferry
Skyrim is a game none of us ever deserved.. it doesn't even exist until we need it the most
It materializes out of nothing, breaking space-time continuum at the will of the God himself, Todd Howard
ornate cedar
Ready to be played on the breadtoaster
novel umbra
humanity has done a lot of awful things
but surely we're not so bad as to deserve that
novel umbra
https://github.com/derrod/legendary in case anyone else uses epic or have friends who do, but don't like the shady stuff epic does, than this is a great alternative launcher that solves (almost) all of those issues
the only thing it can't solve is you still need an online epic account for the transactions and for online play, and since it wouldn't be able to function without that, then that's a compromise I'm willing to take
fringe salmon
man people really just have too much free time
you still pay them, they still get all the same data that matters, you just have a custom UI
sure, for linux it might be nice, idk how easy it would be to set up wine with regular egs
novel umbra
ok, obligatory https://reddit.com/r/fuckepic
novel umbra
sure, for linux it might be nice, idk how easy it would be to set up wine with r...
physically impossible
and that's it's main goal
fringe salmon
if you don't like epic, just don't use it, saying fuck epic then still give them your data and paying them money, what does it change lmao
novel umbra
but a lot of things, (like constantly stalking your PC, always taking up an inordinate amount of performance in the background, and *not having a f**ing shoppping cart) are solved this way
I agree that it's much better to just not use it
but if you're going to anyway, then you might as well use a better one
fringe salmon
it's not stalking my pc, it's taking barely more performance than steam, I can guarantee you everyone complaining about shopping cart might have a point but maybe 5 out of all of them would actually use one.
like yes it's something they need at some point, but how can you complain in the same post, that you only buy whats limited to EGS at the time, and also act like you buy dozens of games at once?
novel umbra
look, dude, I'm not trying to convert you to a new religion, if you don't like it don't use it, but epic is constantly doing shady stuff with their launcher, so if you're using epic anyway, it seems to me like you might as well use one that can't do shady stuff
if steam had something similar I'd use that too
open source just makes more sense for this kind of thing imo, there's no reason a game launcher of all things needs to be some proprietary secret sauce thing
fringe salmon
I dislike a lot of stuff about egs and criticize them for it, but I'm not down for throwing year old false statements at them, that come from rage posts from a guy who doesnt understand how to use wireshark
feral ferry
Oof he wiresharked you
What follows must be an insane rebuttal or this battle is finished
novel umbra
I posted the subreddit as resource, sorry that I'm not a trained debater with all my resources listed off the top of my head like apparantly everyone else on the internet is
feral ferry
Epic can go fuck itself just cause Tim Sweeney is the CEO
novel umbra
it was a suggestion and a recommendation, what I got back was heedless mockery and one other tool that isn't a be all end all
feral ferry
The guy's a pathological liar
novel umbra
so apologies if I got a little cheesed
feral ferry
Not to mention EGS started distinctive market segregation that inconveniences everyone
Although indie devs got paid more, so that's good
fringe salmon
I wasn't mocking you, I merely was surprised by how much time people invest into stuff they hate instead of just not using it, then I pointed out that one point of your argument wasn't really accurate 
feral ferry
Though when it comes to background processes, Steam isn't innocent either. It runs a shit ton of background things
proper cargo
wtf...
To everyone who purchased BL3 on the Epic Store, please be aware. The below is an email I received in response to my inability to buy the Season 2 Pass. The names have been removed to avoid potential harassment:
Thank you so much for getting back at Epic Games Player Support! This is **** *****, I will be stepping in behalf of my colleague and I will be assisting you for today.
I do understand that you are writing in because you are not able to purchase the Borderlands Season Pass 2 in the Epic Games store. Thank you for bringing this up to our attention and we are sorry for any inconvenience this has caused you. I completely understand why you’d want that; I'll be happy to shed some light on this matter!
We just want to let you know that the Epic Games Store team has set up offers in the Store with rules that don't allow players to purchase a Season Pass, version of a game, or any content that includes something that a player already own.
Players who own the Season 1 pass for Borderlands 3, (which includes players who own the Deluxe and Super Deluxe editions) cannot purchase the Season Pass 2. We apologize for the inconvenience but for now, you will have to purchase each new DLC separately.
feral ferry
What the fuck
proper cargo
you cant buy bl3 season pass 2 on the epic store
novel umbra
I wasn't mocking you, I merely was surprised by how much time people invest into...
because they keep buying up legitimately good games, and some people still want to be able to play those without supporting a company they hate?
fringe salmon
wtf wall of text are you copy pasting
feral ferry
@novel umbra Look at Sony
proper cargo
quin, clearly you are the most intelligent of us all. i dont have to tell you how to read
feral ferry
Sony is what we call anti-consumer monopolism
Yet they are unscathed at all by the FTC
Oh wait Sony's Japanese
proper cargo
however, you are also a furry so...meh
feral ferry
No international laws are against monopolism to my knowledge
fringe salmon
because they keep buying up legitimately good games, and some people still want ...
I mean, if they still buy it from epic just via a different launcher, they are still giving them money? and epic still gets basically the same data
feral ferry
So yeah Sony will remain shitheads
Bear with us lads, we're entering some capitalistic territories
novel umbra
I mean, if they still buy it from epic just via a different launcher, they are s...
not the case, having an email and an IP isn't nearly the same as having ring 0 permissions on your PC
feral ferry
Just run it in a VM
novel umbra
it doesn't run in a VM
feral ferry
Lol what
novel umbra
it knows it's sandboxed and kills itself
feral ferry
?
novel umbra
last time I tried it anyway
feral ferry
Epic games is VM-proof?
How does that make sense
If that isn't proof that Epic is data hoarding Facebook-like evil corp, then you must be ignorant
novel umbra
yeah, it's supposedly so that you can't cheat or whatever, but I'm relatively certain it's just because they want access to the host machine
feral ferry
fringe salmon
btw that nice wall of text from you jeruza is bullshit
fringe salmon
To everyone who purchased BL3 on the Epic Store, please be aware. The below is a...
like, that is just false lol
feral ferry
Dunno seems like that's something he copied off reddit
proper cargo
dude contacted epic customer support. they tell him you cant buy season pass 2 on the epic store
instead, they tell him to buy the dlc's individually, which eventually will end up costing you more
fringe salmon
yeah its just false lol
proper cargo
how so?
fringe salmon
because I was able to buy it lmao
novel umbra
2k*
proper cargo
hmm
novel umbra
gearbox is fine, 2k ruins it for them
fringe salmon
I enjoy borderlands enough that it's worth it for me
proper cargo
ur right. just checked. can buy it just fine
proper cargo
then wtf is this redditor complaining about...
novel umbra
idk
fringe salmon
randy is a giant dickhead and can fuck off, I still love the game
mild perch
might be a regional thing. Or just person be unsmart
proper cargo
the pedophile
novel umbra
I just know every time I see something that 'gearbox' does it's just 2k pointing fingers at them
feral ferry
He does kids?
fringe salmon
could also be the classic "me hate epic, me make epic hate post when I fucked up"
novel umbra
possible
fringe salmon
2k aint great, they are also the culprits for making GTA V the microtransaction hell it is
proper cargo
i think it was hte first time i heard about the guy. he was getting sued for having a usb stick with child porn on it, however, the stick got lost somewhere so...no evidence
feral ferry
Who's claptrap?
fringe salmon
not a great boss, there was some taking money stuff going on etc.
mild perch
actually, maybe it was an error when it first came out? @fringe salmon When did you get it?
fringe salmon
well, uh, let me double check, but based off of the date from the reddit post
I think I did it before the post was made lmao
proper cargo
post was made like 3 days ago?
mild perch
12 days ago
feral ferry
Wait what
fringe salmon
think I got it the day after it came out or so
feral ferry
Lawsuit alleged that Pitchford had left a USB drive containing sensitive Gearbox information and "child pornography" at a restaurant in 2014. Pitchford stated that he had saved the pornography for the purposes of studying what he claimed to be a "magic trick" performed by the female actress.
I can't begin to comprehend this sentence
fringe salmon
he did work as a magician before going into the games area or smth like that iirc
mild perch
thus, a great, ahem, "great", excuse
feral ferry
Pornographic magic? I'm.. interested
fringe salmon
yeah idk about that case, it's just not a completely random thing out of nowhere
it got dropped so we can't really know what really went on, no point blaming him if it was fake or vice versa
but yeah, main point, that reddit post is just some guy posting bullshit for attention it seems like
that's what I hate the most about the epic thing, so many people claiming false issues ( like that wireshark thing at the start where the guy was just stupid and didnt know how to use it) so that the actual legit complaints get drowned out
mild perch
easy solution, just dont use reddit for info
fringe salmon
no shopping cart? valid complaint.
it spys on everything on your pc? much bigger talking point, turns out to be false, causes people to ignore they didnt add a shopping cart, bc they wasted time to complain about false shit
and sadly that isn't the only case where that happend
feral ferry
Reddit's a good place for info, just turn your brain on and think about what's right or wrong
mild perch
barely, reddit is the perfect place for a bunch of info that's false. See it all the time
90% of the stuff that's true for controversial stuff people think "nah, he said it isnt so it isnt" and downvote the heck out of said post
fringe salmon
anyway, my stance: egs got lots of issues, for linux users this seems like a nice thing, otherwise it's just useless bc your payment info etc. is the data that's worth more than what they could get on your pc, so imo the rest is just tinfoil conspiracies
and if you only use steam anyway you should also like it, EA would've never come back like it did now if EGS wasn't a thing
mild perch
I been using steam for a long time and just want to stick to one thing. Dont want to have a bunch of launchers to worry about in trying to only run on at a time (esp on a laptop, more for making sure nothing is running to get good battery life)
Some issues seem fair to complain about, other then that Im just "let me stay one one damn store please", basically - screw exclusives
fringe salmon
gog galaxy is a nice project in that regard tbh, would be nice if most issues can be solved via that
novel umbra
man I wish gog was the dominant player tbh, I just like them more than anything else
tho I still use an alternative launcher for them actually
fringe salmon
Powerusers can always do something else anyway, and the way gog galaxy is set up, it’s the one way I don’t mind a „monopole“. Where the monopole is based off of different options and not a true monopole
novel umbra
for sure
and the lack of DRM means you can still play the games even without the launcher, though it's not plug-and-play, which is also a huge plus if you're short on storage, or if you're only there for one game or smtn
also it means that every game on gog runs nigh-on perfectly in linux
fading spade
hollow sphinx
fading spade
is that still grip?
keen urchin
Starbound still lags like hell and I can't seem to find a fix
fading spade
fading spade
this is taking forever....
novel umbra
nice benchmark lol
fading spade
huh?
barren pewter
they've been doing that for months now
every time I open Battlefield 1 on my xbox, that message pops up
and it annoys the fuck out of me
fading spade
the UI for Origin launcher is so shit
but the UI in the game is really pretty
GG EA
the first time I played multiplayer since 2017
and im still terrible at it
fading spade
Whoever told me that the titanfall 2 campaign is short is lying to me
4 hours into it and I've but finished it yet
IDK how much is left actually
placid garden
maybe some people just speedrun that shit
fading spade
I love how you joke that your titan should have thrown you instead of shooting up a grappling hook
And then later, it does actually throw you
placid garden
yeet
orchid prism
😆
bleak pike
@fading spade its like 6-8 hours which is short
fading spade
Short
Sure zd
bleak pike
That's very short
fading spade
Wow
fading spade
frosty dew
often be like that. lol
fading spade
fading spade
says 4-5 hours
also, I just played a few minutes of the opening mission
HOW TF am I getting constant 60FPS ona GTX 1660?
im amazed :D
at ultra settings @ 21:9 but motion blur turned off cause fuck motion blur
trim rock
Because the Battlefield games are very decently optimized
feral ferry
There's reason why BF1 and BF5, while being shitty games, are good benchmark tools
fringe salmon
its not a brand new game and obv a multiplayer game has to run quite well even on lower hardware
and uses an engine thats not new nor is it a new settings with the engine
novel umbra
huh?
I just meant that I've only seen people play battlefield to benchmark their PC, don't think I've actually seen anyone play it for the game
placid garden
fading spade
my gosh.....
unless your internet connection can download it in like an hour then thats dedication
fringe salmon
most of the world has better internet than you have tbf
feral ferry
Of course getting that sort of speed even in Steam
@fading spade My internet is all yours
Assuming you can reach it
placid garden
fading spade
:')
feral ferry
Yeah I bet she's small and couldn't reach it if I held it far up
fading spade
im 6 foot :')
fading spade
wow
placid garden
5’9 🗿
feral ferry
I still don't know why you use feet and inches
When it's just inferior to metric
Damn my wife's 5'6
Well close to 5'7
young crow
they use feet because feet are nice
young crow
you are on my disrespect list
placid garden
I feel short but I’m taller than my family
then there’s my cousins who are around your height
frosty dew
i'm around 5'6
or, close to 170cm
barren pewter
tall person
frosty dew
still a mystery to me why the people from the ID office put in 173cm on my ID, when i barely can reach 170 at the doctors office XD
frosty dew
shut up
I'm insecure about my height...
feral ferry
Technically the taller you are the worse
barren pewter
mhm
feral ferry
For women that is
frosty dew
i was about to say... i wanna be shorter.
barren pewter
and I hate it
feral ferry
Plus my gf's 173 and she loves being the lil spoon and hugging my breasts when doing a standing hug
Which is weird but it is what it is
frosty dew
but in return... i'm still too small for like 80% of motorcycles
young crow
i keep hitting my forehead on my car when getting in :(
barren pewter
same
feral ferry
I can't even fit in a car
young crow
regret getting a pretty low car just because of that
frosty dew
only thing i hit myself in a car was the backdoors of my current car. didnt expect the upper part of my second line doors to hit my chest this well the first time i opened it. 
placid garden
I’m glad I’m not that tall where I have issues getting in and out of my car
bleak pike
Ha
Oml
I’m so numb to hitting my head at my grandparents when walking down the stairs
It happens that much
young crow
"oml" implying you're short?
bleak pike
Oh my lord
young crow
don't ruin it...
fringe salmon
yes how may I help you?
frosty dew
one of my friends bathroom doors is actually quite short. he always has to bend a little to go into his bathroom. i barely fit in going through casually XD
bleak pike
How tall are you
placid garden
🤔
frosty dew
i'm around 5'6
or, close to 170cm
see this
placid garden
who built that doorframe
frosty dew
it's an old house that was built pre ww
bleak pike
Oh Christ that’s a small door
frosty dew
mhm. dont you love it? opening a bag of potato chips, and the instant you grab into it, you can feel the grease on the wall of the bag as you grab one side of the open end, to grab some?
spoiler: || i dont love it ||
placid garden
how do you open your bags
bleak pike
barren pewter
my entire hand gets dirty just by putting my hand in for one fucking chip
bleak pike
I can’t eat crisps with my fingers
placid garden
weird, I never felt the grease when eating chips
bleak pike
I just let them drop into me mouth
barren pewter
I tried
placid garden
chopsticks are fun to use
bleak pike
I can’t stand touching crisps
barren pewter
the chips just break between the chopsticks
bleak pike
Hate it 😭
placid garden
well, my family expects me to use them a lot anyways
frosty dew
i use my chopsticks to eat our rice and all
just cant use them with potato chips 😅
placid garden
why not just pour them in a bowl and eat them 🤔
bleak pike
You guys wanna know something weird about me?
bleak pike
Like really really weird
barren pewter
sure
placid garden
go ahead boss
frosty dew
why dirty a bowl unneccessarily that i need to clean afterwards?
fringe salmon
just eat the entire bag in one go, dont even open it 
bleak pike
If I have some spare latex gloves and I’m eating food with my hands I’ll use them.
Spare as in a box ofc lol
frosty dew
lol quinty, i am not that hardcore
barren pewter
why dirty a bowl unneccessarily that i need to clean afterwards?
sounds like extra work
placid garden
that’s just called being fancy
and you clean your hands and the bowl afterwards if you put it in a bowl 
bleak pike
I hate touching food with my hands
frosty dew
have you looked at me?
I'm anything but fancy 
barren pewter
and you clean your hands and the bowl afterwards if you put it in a bowl <:thomp...
that sounds like extra work
bleak pike
No matter how much I wash my hands I just can’t stop feeling shit on my hand
placid garden
sometimes I like extra work
bleak pike
Like, grease sort of feeling
placid garden
you need some better soap
bleak pike
Even if o wash my hands 10 times I feel like everything around me is greasy now and my hands are.
Nah I just need a better brain
placid garden
oh you just feel it regardless
bleak pike
Yes
So like even if I grab a crisp at the very end of my finger
My entire hand feels dirty
And then everything I touch suddenly becomes greasy
I even wipe down my mouse knowing full well it’s already clean 
placid garden
well at least you can keep things clean
placid garden
yeah it must be a pain though
bleak pike
It’s not as bad as I put it but it happens to me at least once a day
I used to multi pack buy wipes
placid garden
that sounds concerning
bleak pike
It’s just weird, like it just makes me uncomfortable more than anything
Doesn’t actually cause me any sort of real issues
I also don’t like drinking out of glasses because of a similar thing
placid garden
so.. you drink with a straw?
frosty dew
sounds like some kind of ocd tbh
bleak pike
I drink with a metal draw or use mugs
If it’s my own glass I’m comfortable with it but I’ll only use that glass
placid garden
reminds me I should invest in a metal straw
young crow
wash your glasses
placid garden
brains are weird
bleak pike
Oh I also hate stickers
I have a phobia for them
Or well, when they are on me or people try to
bleak pike
I have loads of wooting stickers I very much dislike having 🤣
bleak pike
so adhesive bandages are a no-go?
Nah they are fine.
placid garden
that must suck though
bleak pike
Just another thing to add to a list 
novel umbra
Kill me
barren pewter
wait
belle delphine armour in the outer worlds
time for a replay
also gotta check out the new dlc too
fading spade
I press Play in origin for BF1
it opens steam
and tries to launch it from steam
.-.
cause I got the game folder from my friend who got it from steam :/ how do I make it just launch the game?
fringe salmon
.. open it from steam then?
fringe salmon
uhhh so you downloaded half of it then got the files from a friend instead?...
fading spade
yeh cause my wifi is shit and would take 9 hours to download the rest
I kept a copy of what I had downloaded
fringe salmon
well uhh, remove anything that looks like it's realted to steam, run "fix files" or whatever it is on origin and hope it works
otherwise download it overnight
fringe salmon
deleting steam files and repair it not work?
fringe salmon
did you try the repair after you deleted some files?
fading spade
Im copying back what I had downloaded already
fading spade
did you try the repair after you deleted some files?
Yeah
fading spade
mild perch
Try keeping all the large files first tho, might allow those as they are probably game archive files for assets
placid garden
weendows
fading spade
hot tartan
Any game DEVs here know how games work? I’m curious how Low vs Ultra graphics REALLY difference. Say resolution is the same, but Model Texture Low vs Ultra, does the Ultra version has higher asset resolution? Add more details? How does that work?
fringe salmon
well you'll need a specific example, stuff like that heavily depends on what game, what engine etc.
even within the same engine those features can do different stuff
hot tartan
Ideally I wanna learn about League of Legends but info about that game is as much as 9/11
bleak pike
Some games don't reduce textures
Some games just reduce res
Some games actually reduce textures or use different ones
Most games high vs ultra isn't about textures
It's more about lightning and other stuff
Higher res usually just makes textures sharper and not higher too
hot tartan
I try to focus on the model and SFX specifically. In competitive settings you look at those the most
bleak pike
Unless a fake specially designs it to use different textures, eg HD pack downloads
fringe salmon
you could look at the Unity/Unreal documentation and see what they adjust with the default options that they ship with
think thats as close as you can get without a specific example
hot tartan
For example League of Legends make skillshots in Low setting looks smaller (misleading hitbox) than Ultra (that adds Bloom/Distortion)
fringe salmon
particle effects usually get reduced/removed/simplified on lower settings as they can be quite taxing on performance
but that can be either some automated settings, some manual categories for each effect, or a system similar to LOD for complexity etc.
bleak pike
Shadows is where ya performance ranks
Tanks
I always set to medium or low 😂
But im on 1440p with a 1070ti so it's a struggle in general
fringe salmon
then there are more extreme tricks like replacing the lowest LOD option with a fake 2D image so you don't even render a 3D model any more etc.
hot tartan
Does blob shadow affects your performance that much tho. I always thought it’s the “mirror” shadow that tanks your performance
bleak pike
fringe salmon
depends on if it's stencil shadows vs shadow mapping, what gpu you have as different architectures have different areas they can do good/not good
hot tartan
But yeah I started thinking about that from input latency perspective. So if you put FPS (which directly ties to latency) aside, image processing always increase latency
Which setting is the most “native”
As in there’s no image processing to lower asset resolution (Low), or add details in (Ultra)
fringe salmon
that is generally done at compile time not at the time you actually run the game
so if it's a game that has not de-coupled input from frames, there is no hidden latency that you don't see in fps/frametimes
I think I know what you mean with native, but in most cases there either isn't such a thing, or it doesn'
t add any latency
hot tartan
Cause I just found a white-paper by NVIDIA about FXAA
It does in fact add under 1ms of latency
AA in general is known to not add latency, just performance tank
trim rock
Uh it's just another render step of course it's gonna add to rendering time
fringe salmon
yeah, it's a post process effect, so it changes the picture after it's done, thus causing lower fps, but not same fps with a hidden lower latency
hot tartan
So AA and AF are both post-processing
While model-texture settings are compile time
Model filtering = post-processing
fringe salmon
basically, if you have 60 fps, you have 16ms frametime, if you have FXAA or whatever, if it still manages 60 fps, you still ahve those 16ms, not more or less
there is not 60 fps but 20ms latency option
hot tartan
Yeah because FXAA adds under 1ms of latency
fringe salmon
yes if it were to add more it would reduce your fps
fringe salmon
uhh, depends, but I'm getting the feeling you're mixing those up with something they don't do
hot tartan
Same xD
Well by shadow I mean the thing below your character’s feet
SFX are spawned as new objects
Particles
fringe salmon
well, can be, doesn't have to be xD
hot tartan
And shadow have to constantly update
fringe salmon
Reduces visible aliasing while maintaining sharpness and keeping within a
practical ms/frame cost for a typical game engine. Cost to process a 1920x1200
frame on GTX480 is under 1ms for FXAA preset 2.
I think we need to just go back to that part of the whitepaper
hot tartan
What about it
fringe salmon
what that means is the <1ms is in the frametime, while it is called post-processing, that doesn't mean the frame is done and further work no longer counts to frametime
if you had a seperate hardware part, yes, you could make it that way, finish the frame, send it to there, that does the image effects, then send it to the monitor, while the gpu/cpu only use the parts made till then
but thats not how it works
I think you have some misconception from that
hot tartan
So you mean <1ms for a frame
But it essentially doesn’t stop there. 60fps = 60* <1ms
hot tartan
Oooo
fringe salmon
that means you increase your frametime and you get, idk 47 fps or something like that
you dont stay at 60fps with 21ms latency
thus there is no multiple options of 60 fps where you need to find the native setting for best latency
hot tartan
So uhh I tested frame time with Valorant
Capped at 300fps?
As soon as something spawns it spike frame time and reduce FPS
Same thing to League
Is what you’re thinking I think
And that’s why to me it’s impossible to get “stable” frame time
fringe salmon
that is coming from playing at cpu bound settings
hot tartan
Even with every single setting on Low frame time WILL spike as soon as something pops up
fringe salmon
if your cpu is busy to deliver max framerate, then something new gets added, ofc you need some cycles to deal with that in addition to the rest
hot tartan
In my case the training Bots
hot tartan
that is coming from playing at cpu bound settings
League is generally CPU-bound? But at this point I’m using i9-9900K and is pretty sure the game just can’t take advantage of recent hardwares
Even Valorant
Is probably CPU-heavy game
fringe salmon
yeah they are, a better cpu thus delivers better frametime
and thats why changing your gpu especially at low settings might not even change anyhting
hot tartan
How do you even stable frame time then
fringe salmon
either you cap it, or use some form of adaptive sync
or you crank gpu settings up till you are gpu bound
bc if you are bound by gpu, it wont make a difference if there is a spike in usage for the cpu, as that won't dip below what it needs to be to feed the cpu in consistent cycles
hot tartan
Meaning you intentionally try to increase your frame time until it’s so high you no longer see the spikes? 😅
fringe salmon
well you can't really control the spikes appearing since you want max performance all the time
so you need to adjust something else
you can't use all of the cpu and then expect it to still have headroom when you suddenly throw more at it
hot tartan
I would like to clarify “use all of the cpu”. League of Legends never once pushed my CPU load over 30%
fringe salmon
yes, that is correct, due to how cpus work and how software reads useage
let me find a picture that should help
hot tartan
Kk
fringe salmon
just look at the red part
there are 6 integer schedulers
(going to keep it super simple for anyone else reading it, this is oversimplified to not make an essay out of it)
so you can have 6 integer operations at the same time
but some are more complicated and take longer, some are instantly done
so some use only one part of the options it has to do the math
others use every single instruction option and use 100% instead of lets say 10%
so it's not fully used, but you also can't use more, as you only have 6 open slots, and for the slot it doesnt matter if its 1+1 or 434235^323423^3243 sorta
soo full useage =!= full useage
but if you now get more stuff to do
you need more rooms, you can't fill in more of it in the same room
so new object = needs to wait for the regular stuff to be done, can't be done at the same time bc the first one is occupied with 1+1
that made sense?
hot tartan
So you meaning all 6 slots were being used to achieve maximum frame rate
So how does creating more GPU loads create more space?
fringe salmon
because now you have time to use all 6 slots twice, before you need to be done to send data to the gpu in time
so if you go through the 6 slots once and wait, or go through them twice, makes no difference
hot tartan
Latency time-wise we’re creating a delay
Basically buy time for the CPU by decrease best-case scenario
fringe salmon
well yeah, if you use an input tied to fps, that is going to happen if you want maximum performance but also smooth times
the only way around that is to have it not depend on frametime
otherwise you either need spikes for minimum latency, or deal with higher latency for consistent frametimes
hot tartan
it can be simply done by turning off NVIDIA “Ultra-Low Lantecy” mode
Basically renamed maximum pre-rendered something something
fringe salmon
uhh, what can simply be done with that?
I know what it does but im not sure I got what you meant with it here
hot tartan
“The Max Pre-rendered Frames setting controls the size of the flip queue.
For each frame rendered, the CPU has to create a command buffer - which is then fed to the GPU. The Flip Queue is a queue of such command buffers.
Why a queue? Because sometimes the CPU might not be able to create a command buffer on time (maybe it got interrupted by some OS task ... etc.) the queue would give a buffer of sorts and the GPU can continue to knock out frames - the CPU can then try to "catch back up" to keep the Flip Queue full.”
fringe salmon
were you saying you thought you can de-couple input from fps with that?
hot tartan
No I was thinking of what do to you buy CPU “time”
And that basically set a “buffer” period for the CPU
Would that solves the CPU-bound problem?
fringe salmon
errrr no? you'd still be bound by cpu but now you see the frames later, so depending how it's implemented you either have the same latency with missmatched frames, or you increased your latency if you disable that lol
hot tartan
Yikes
fringe salmon
as long as your input is not a seperate thing, you can't "solve" being cpu bound
hot tartan
Wait I thought NULL can have its downside
Cause some benchmark shows it actually increase input latency if you’re enabling it without being GPU-bound
But the other way around didn’t work
fringe salmon
well amd anti lag (the thing nvidia copied and called ultra low latency) is to reduce stored frames, so in turn reduces latency since you get the actual picture sooner than you otherwise would
so not activating it, will just keep it more consistent generally
hot tartan
What do you mean more consistent
fringe salmon
well the usuallt the stored frames act as sort of a buffer right? if you dont have a buffer and try to display a new frame when it's not there yet, and you removed the buffer, that's the case where it's not working nice
hot tartan
Hmmm so when it’s turned off. The CPU waits until it receives a frame and then display it
When it’s turned on. The CPU tries to display a frame whether GPU is ready or not
But that has nothing to do with how busy the CPU currently is?
fringe salmon
from my understanding it doesnt change what the cpu does ye
hot tartan
Kk thanks for clarifying Quintosh
fringe salmon
thought the whole idea about anti-lag/NULL was that it sets it to 0?
young crow
i understood some of these words
proper cargo
Makes sense to me
unique bane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSs0_PBGiLs looks good, coming to PC early 2021
unique bane
?_?
fringe salmon
its on epic since august
unique bane
ohh so its available for PC?
fringe salmon
ye
placid garden
yeah 🗿
unique bane
fucking epic store
fringe salmon
I assume the early 21 is steam and co
but some people think it's super clever and funny to list a non-epic release as "pc release"
unique bane
I wasn't aware, I dont check epic store
proper cargo
only 116. those are rookie numbers. gotta boost em
feral ferry
Go on then show yours
proper cargo
FUCK YES THATS AN ACHIEVEMENT
barren pewter
the trick is the few mb fixes and patches
feral ferry
Yeah but my mods always do important shit
feral ferry
Mod is useless unless it adds a shit ton of stuff
barren pewter
fixes and balancing are what I like my mods for
proper cargo
hell, every mod is only an improvement to vanilla fallout 4
feral ferry
I never checked how much the ARMA3 folder weighs
proper cargo
barren pewter
hence why I have over 100 mods installed for fallout 4