haha
#🎮│game
rich parcel
orchid prism
😆
There is literally a micro transaction skin that turns your village into garden gnomes.
proper cargo
jesus christ it keeps scaring the living hell out of me
every time you level up. PROMOOOOTEEEEED!
XD
best mod ever
rich parcel
Pretty sure the new controller doesn't have haptics
It's pretty much the same as the Xbone controller, just sculpted ever so slightly different, textured grips, and textured triggers.
Oh and USB-C, and obviously the D-pad.
feral ferry
@rich parcel The new controller has haptics
That's literally the whole point of the new controller generation
fringe salmon
no thats a ps5 thing
fringe salmon
nope
they have something in it since the x one controller but not tot he degree sony have
and x/s controllers didnt add more
feral ferry
Well
fringe salmon
what they might've done is add a stronger feedback motor
feral ferry
My expectations are ruined and the disappointment is immeasurable
I am still waiting for the news for some kind of Windows capability
With maybe some sort of CFW
Otherwise Xbox SX is dead to me
PS5 I don't want to support at all, but if they keep acquiring companies, there's nothing else you can do other than to enter their ecosystem
bleak pike
Im famous mum https://youtu.be/FPLEt0wulmI
frosty dew
colonel 100, is still having PTSD from the "promoted... proomooooteeed..."
"i can still hear it... promoted... pro-mo-ted..."
obsidian monolith
that shit still gets me after all this time when ever i see it
hot tartan
Idk why Sony go for immersive takes with their new controller when they have a massive competitive fighting community
Meanwhile Microsoft trying to yoink those people away with better d-pad for fighting and latency cut
rich parcel
Who knows. They probably wanted a clean looking controller packed with features, and are leaving stuff like a special d-pad for fighting games up to 3rd parties.
placid garden
huh there's a way to turn it off for solo
hot tartan
I dont really think adding 2 gimmicks only useful to ultra casual players qualifies “packed with features”
proper cargo
are you saying a casual can use those gimmicks better than a non casual?
hot tartan
For example vibration gets in the way more than they help.
I had it on for NBA 2K, at free throw line the controller vibrates to mimic tension. Honestly it just gets in the way. Why would you leave it on if not for the “immersion”
And don’t think controller vibrating during driving will help you drive better
Not that a casual can use those gimmicks better. But they choose so because they don’t care if they miss a free throw due to the shake
placid garden
i turned off my vibration so my controller didn't drain the battery faster
orchid prism
Guess there's a reason why vibrating mice never caught on.
Imagine having to fight recoil while shooting 😄
frosty dew
i actually do disable vibration on my controllers quite often when possible
proper cargo
vibrating....mice?
frosty dew
i dunno why i started doing that
frosty dew
guess i didnt like it when i put down the controller in my lap or on a desk while playing
placid garden
controller falls off desk
orchid prism
Yup. I remember Logitech used to make a mouse with force feedback.
Never caught on.
Black & White 1 had a special mission that would only appear if you plugged it in.
proper cargo
technologies we are glad that didnt caught on. vibrating mouse XD
placid garden
i think there's a vibrating mouse for sale
orchid prism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9spUY9Y75T4
Oh god - Icemat tried to make one recently as well xD
placid garden
yeah it's that
frosty dew
love how it's a reoccuring "novelty" that hasnt really caught on once afaik. 
hot tartan
Nah
Their main targets are kids
Back when I was baby-Skyrst
I got to try the OG Xbox for the first time coming to my friend’s house
And his controller vibrates
I was like THATS SO COOL
hot tartan
I don’t think that’s a thing my guy
Back in the day men had to do heavy lifting work so their hands are all worn and shit
proper cargo
oh im sorry, but how many female welders do you know of?
hot tartan
Nowadays check a male office-worker’s hand it’ll be as smooth as your lady
proper cargo
construction workers?
hot tartan
Yup
hot tartan
Also
proper cargo
sure, in the office maybe the relation is more 50/50, but anywhere outside of jobs that need any kind of physical strenght more tiresome than lifting fingers over keyboards are still a men's job
hot tartan
Their are female electricians now
Females can have tough hands just like males
Depending on what they do for living
frosty dew
the guys in the storage all use handlotion like a religion. lol
placid garden
👀
frosty dew
working with cartons makes your hand really dry apparently
placid garden
no gloves?
hot tartan
Depends
frosty dew
smaller stuff isnt as easy to grab with gloves
proper cargo
you got thin working gloves
frosty dew
that then get ripped after like 5 minutes?
placid garden
🤔
hot tartan
It’s also a hassle to put on and off
proper cargo
well, a co worker of mine sure needs a new one every other day, but mine lasts for atleast a month
hot tartan
If you carry wood stuff around gloves are must
frosty dew
oh i got a pair of these as well, but no feel at all with these, and i still get splinters in my hands XD
hot tartan
Don’t want those tiny suckers get under your skin
proper cargo
i prefer metal splinters over wood. got the feeling those are removed more easily. and the wounds arnt infected for as long.
orchid prism
Anything over glass.
I literally had a shard of iPhone glass under my finger for two weeks and I didn't know.
Just thought the wound had trouble closing.
slim token
gonna need a vibrating keyboard to go alongside it as well
also use gloves when working cardboard and papers in general
did it once for a day, still regret it
work without them, that is
proper cargo
honestly, the weirdest thing i had was a gaming mouse with a fan attached to it
returned it cause the fan didnt work. like, it didnt spin fast enough for even a breeze
placid garden
just buy a desk fan
ornate cedar
Industrial fan would work aswell
lone oasis
i prefer metal splinters over wood. got the feeling those are removed more easily. and the wounds arnt infected for as long.
@proper cargo metal splinters can actually bore deeper into your skin over time and depending on the size, they can end up in your vanes . besides that, they can spike nerves and tendons which is excellent of course. and because the body can "sterilise" metal better than wood, it might not get infected and less inflamed.
ow btw, an MRI scan can be fun as well 👍
ornate cedar
Atleast the immunesystem wont flag it and inflame
proper cargo
@lone oasis yea, but most metal splinters are from, like, angle grinder discs, which are rough splinters. if you get one in your finger, mostly you just whipe over it with another finger and it hooks on and releases. atleast, thats what i do when i got a small metal splinter, i just rub heavily on it and its gone
young crow
It's pretty much the same as the Xbone controller, just sculpted ever so slightly different, textured grips, and textured triggers.
@rich parcel the haptics on the new controller are most definitely better
doesn’t feel like a cheap android phone anymore
hollow sphinx
For some reason that version of proton makes my games run super slow
trim rock
Works fine for me 🤔
young crow
sigh
it fucking hates my tv
first it draws this glitchy line
then it says apparently my tv doesn’t support 4k 120hz (WHICH IT DOES AND DID UP UNTIL NOW)
then i manage to switch it to 4k 120hz and it doesn’t draw half of the screen
and only then after a reset it works fine
ladies and gentlemen
the hdmi cable that came with it is borked
fringe salmon
that seems to be a common trend
friend got a new monitor, hdmi cable cant do the specs of it
young crow
nah, it’s supposed to be hdmi 2.1 spec
but it just doesn’t work well
just tried my known good cable and it works perfectly
do i care enough to complain to the store about the cable being all sorts of fucked?
i’ll just get another philips cable, whatever
proper cargo
lol
feral ferry
On another news
I managed to make my MiG-21 travel at SR-71 Blackbird's speeds
And also enter the space
Too bad there is no space in ArmA
unique bane
How is Godfall??
unique bane
Yeah that was my worry
feral ferry
Is it free?
feral ferry
If you want to try it out online for now before it gets patched, it's free
Just get the ripped files from some torrent site and apply the online fix
Free Godfall, completely for free
Although it's not a crack, merely a fix
So they'll patch it out soon
Enough for a first impression if you want to buy it or not
unique bane
is it good or better online than SP?
feral ferry
I don't know, why you asking me 
Godfall's prolly one of those games that are multiplayer only
unique bane
Oh
fringe salmon
why would it be MP only???
unique bane
Where ya got a key?
feral ferry
Prolly given away online with some purchases
unique bane
gief free plzzzzzzz
feral ferry
I bought an ASUS router and I'm getting Cyberpunk for free with it
orchid prism
Ugh... it's locked to a 5700XT based PC xD
proper cargo
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feral ferry
You can't possibly crack something that requires to have an online connection at all times
And yes fucker, I know
proper cargo
there is a difference
feral ferry
How'd you know what happens in Bungie's servers?
proper cargo
between a game that needs online authorization, and a game taht needs data from an off-site device
feral ferry
There's prolly some internal verification system to check if you are able to play
orchid prism
Welp - Guess I won't be playing Godfall or the upcoming WoW expansion anytime soon. Cousin who has the 5700XT I needed to get the codes is away 😄
proper cargo
"Sure, the boys in Ryan's lab can make it hack-proof. But that don't mean we ain't gonna hack it."
unique bane
@feral ferry where dat multiplayer online fix
proper cargo
all we need is a way in. and there are many ways in. however, the biggest issue is doing it undetected. once detected, developers from games like destiny, world of tanks or world of warcraft are fully comitted to close it as soon as possible.
unique bane
60€ for games is just outrageous
proper cargo
yes!
fringe salmon
then dont buy it
proper cargo
@unique bane do you know about cd key purchasing? 🙂
unique bane
most games are bad, who wanna waste a 60€ for 99% chance that the game sucks anyway cuz devs make bad games
proper cargo
it will save YOU money in the end
feral ferry
Oh the whole repack's here
fringe salmon
then look for a game review or demo before you play it or anything
proper cargo
or one of those many lets play dweebs
fringe salmon
or decide in the first 2 hours if you want to refund it if its not fun
unique bane
cheers
feral ferry
This is important
Patch has already come out, but the thing appears to still work
So you have a few days at best prolly
unique bane
Fuck it, game probably not worth all that effort and its gonna get patched soon. Tnx tho
feral ferry
The fuck you on about
unique bane
After reading that guide its too much effort xD
feral ferry
Just download it and enjoy your financially free trial
bleak pike
feral ferry
Cold War zombies?
fringe salmon
coffin easter egg
feral ferry
proper cargo
nice
ripe tendon
Godfall aint terrible but it runs terrible considering its visuals, imo
hollow sphinx
placid garden
ornate cedar
human(2020)
keen urchin
@unique bane Godfall seems to be great for 12 hours, as long as the campaign lasts
After that, you'll only want to be play for the gameplay's sake, there isn't any real content, but if you like the gameplay, you'll get more. Gameplay seems to be quite good though, but the difficulty seems to be way to easy, even at the highest level.
Graphics are absolutely gorgeous, I must say.
orchid prism
It really is - Stumbled on one of her Warframe videos and figured I should try it out 😄
feral ferry
Her vids are insanely good 😄
small comet
ah yes
its already a perfectly balanced game with no exploits what so ever
"i will show you how to generate infinite money by simply becoming an alcoholic"
damn
this game is realistic
small comet
he did kill power level 220 enemies at power level 50 or some shit ¯_(ツ)_/¯
orchid prism
You need some unique collectibles ( ingots ) to upgrade an item to the next tier, which lets you upgrade it more times.
he did kill power level 220 enemies at power level 50 or some shit ¯_(ツ)_/¯
@small comet Yeah you can do that.
Without cheats.
small comet
not a cheat
orchid prism
They just hit you like a goddamned truck.
small comet
he didnt even get hit
orchid prism
I'm saying... you don't need Spiff to do that 😛
orchid prism
Yes.
small comet
yes
proper cargo
and spiffing brit breaks the game
orchid prism
OMG
Again - Infinite money will get you "levels" faster, but you're still locked to a set range of "levels".
Example : The base items have a grey quality. They can be upgraded two levels and the base resources for this could be bought with infinite money.
However - After that you need to find the ingots needed to upgrade the tier. Can't be bought.
And yes - I am killing 260 enemies as a 30-50 pleb just fine. The key is not getting hit.
small comet
still not a cheat
and yes
the key is not getting hit
key is also killing them in less than 10seconds
and not 20minutes
orchid prism
Again - Don't need infinite money to do any of that 😄
I literally pointed out that money doesn't help you in this way.
small comet
ya just infinite time to farm
orchid prism
Nope.
small comet
u can easily bring resources into hunter shits
and i think they also give ingots
so yes u can easily just buy shit
small comet
that was never even part of the discussion lol
orchid prism
Yes... yes it was.
small comet
not to mention that it takes a good 4-5hrs ot unlock the drinking
and no
this is about
infinite money
orchid prism
INFINITE MONEY GIVES YOU GEAR TO KILL SUPER ENEMIES
My retort was simply : No - Because money isn't the gatekeeper. Ingots are.
orchid prism
You can't though.
willow quiver
what game
orchid prism
Holy christ xD
orchid prism
Play the game ffs 😄
small comet
3 or 4 tiers the shit has u get by the point u unlock drinking
orchid prism
I give up. You haven't played the game. Money is inconsequential xD
small comet
ure right
i played it for what
an hour or so
got like 2 silver
and then uninstalled
cause i couldnt give 2 shits
orchid prism
See this shit? Notice those bars in the middle? You can upgrade it as far as four times here with resources paid for by your infinite money.
And then... nothing. You need ingots to unlock further ones - which are generally only possible to find through looting and progressing the game.
orchid prism
Except literally not 😄
small comet
ok lets try this whats the easiest way to upgrade this
infinite money?
or hours of farming
small comet
ah right u just spawn it into ur inventory
orchid prism
"Farming" - Aka. actually progressing the campaign xD
orchid prism
I am drowning in resources and haven't bothered with even a minute of "farming" anywhere.
small comet
people cant have fun in games
and have to only play story
do nothing else
be mindless
do as game says
orchid prism
Oh stop being sulky cause your argument was flawed 😛
small comet
its not
i can easily imagine what u think progressing the story means
and what it actually is
going of the road and doing some enemy camps
isnt progressing the story per se
orchid prism
Except... no.
small comet
thats what id call farming
orchid prism
Haven't bothered with anything that isn't relevant to plot.
small comet
i wanna see that video taped
even if i have to pay 300€ for that
u only doing plot relevant stuff
literally only that
and then drowning in resources
orchid prism
You need to raid a ton of English churches just to progress the story. And guess what they have lying around in chests as though it's a goddamned winter forage.
small comet
cause the tiny time i spent in the game was utter garbage
orchid prism
Your inability to enjoy the game doesn't invalidate my points however. Norway in the beginning is pretty meh.
Game doesn't pick up till you make it to Mercia.
small comet
so my inability to powe through a shit part instead of playing an all over good game
make the game better?
orchid prism
As far back as... 3? I want to say. I genuinely don't remember the first two anymore.
small comet
yes but 1 and 2 didnt
orchid prism
To be fair AC1 is an eternity ago xD
orchid prism
small comet
anyway point is i wont ever be able to spend more than an hour or two in newer ac games
they have just fallen so far imo
same for far cry
and other good games
orchid prism
Okay sure. Still doesn't have any relevance to the discussion you're trying hard to forget about 😄
small comet
that once stood rather high
orchid prism
But you do you.
orchid prism
Well...yes. Because that is the crux of the whole "infinite money helps!"
Because... it really doesn't
small comet
how does it not help
orchid prism
I had Tier 4 gear before I left Norway.
England starts at power level 20.
Given Spiffs infinite logic (aside from a very specific arrow sniping build), I could fight those 260 enemies just fine at that point. Zero farming, zero cheesing.
But sure - Get drunk for half an hour to buy stuff... you don't need 😄
small comet
nono
answer my question
dont navigate around it
how does infinite money not help
orchid prism
You can't buy fucking ingots with money.
small comet
so
in ur eyes
money only good if it can buy ingots
otherwise its shit cause while it CAN buy other shit
it cant buy ingots
small comet
well reallife money also does not help and is inconsequential cause it cant buy me world domination by that logic
orchid prism
Mnope.
orchid prism
Yes.
orchid prism
I give up. You're not listening and it is hilarious.
small comet
reallife money cant buy this 1 thing so its inconsequential and does not help
literally the same point you made
even in the same context
feral ferry
New bypass for Godfall has come out
@unique bane I think you wanted to play that shit
bleak pike
Bypass?
feral ferry
Not this one
New one's here
But yes it's a bypass
Not a crack
Crack'd be something entirely different
small comet
whats the difference
feral ferry
You can "bypass" Godfall's check if you have the valid product or not and play online
Crack is when you just can't play online at all
young crow
so you can play online with a pirated copy
feral ferry
Yep
young crow
incompetency/10
small comet
isnt that up to how good the crack is?
young crow
how clean is the crack
feral ferry
That's just due to how cracks work, usually it completely removes the verification
Which automatically makes you ineligible to participate in game servers
Also no authorization with the game database, yada yada
That's a crack
young crow
that’s not really the definition of a crack
small comet
so what youre doing is even worse
young crow
a crack is anything that tricks the app into thinking your license is valid
small comet
Software cracking (known as "breaking" in the 1980s[1]) is the modification of software to remove or disable features which are considered undesirable by the person cracking the software, especially copy protection features (including protection against the manipulation of software, serial number, hardware key, date checks and disc check) or software annoyances like nag screens and adware.
Yeah it basically disables copy protection
And that results in no online multiplayer in overwhelming majority of cases
LAN works fine for most games afaik
small comet
the question is does the bypass modify the game or not
feral ferry
No
Lemme find the new one
Basically the new bypass is simple
Download the game, do as the installation thing says
trim rock
That's the same hto
small comet
where does launcher exe come from
sounds like a loader to me
which is just a crack
trim rock
This really just looks like the EGS version of the spacewar trick.. neat!
small comet
and ya thats literally what i posted
the spacewar loader is also a crack tho
but would make it the same concept yes
feral ferry
Whatever this person said
feral ferry
But it is in the fundamentals
I mean you aren't patching out the existing cracked version
The updated game might use an updated DRM, and therefore you need to crack it again
small comet
but youre using a laoder to modify program flow and make the game tell egs its the HNMK
not just updated drm
games can have other crack protections
feral ferry
Like.. connection to the game database and verifying your copy?
small comet
no
just general other checks
take uh
what was the name
ive forgotten the damn name
feral ferry
Eh on another hand, for an "always online" game it could be called a crack
small comet
well my best guess, without loading the cracked game, is that launcher.exe is a loader that modifies godfall on the fly
serious sam
had the dumb scorpion thing
the drm was circumvented but the game still had checks
and then u got the undying super scorpion
feral ferry
I'm not sure if launcher.exe is in any way modified
small comet
thats why its my best guess
just like with the spacewars thing
and the modified steam.dll
small comet
ya
so it is a modified executeable acting as a loader
id call it a rather advanced crack due to the on the fly patching and flow modification of the software
currently around 25k people playing cracked games on steam
feral ferry
Fuck even is spacewar?
small comet
a free game u cant find on steam
orchid prism
😆
small comet
but its easily abused by a modified steam.dll to make a game load as "spacewar"
small comet
so steam is like "ya you own that game have fun"
and thanks to steams nice server framework
u can even abuse the game for online lobbies
thank gaben for this gift
feral ferry
Hol' up you can play anything?
small comet
psure someone even made a custom launcher to dynamically load in the steam dll
feral ferry
And this works on anything that exists on Steam?
orchid prism
Hol' up you can play anything?
@feral ferry Only as far as beating Steam's DRM. The games DRM...no
feral ferry
Ah
feral ferry
Well people have already come up with copy-pastable steam crack
So that's not much of a boon
small comet
ya and if egs doesnt find a good fix
theyll be next it looks like
SmartSteamEmu
thats the one
prob the first widespreak loader for an online store and its online matchmaking etc
small comet
thats mainly due to the ease of access to the workshop tho
hot tartan
@feral ferry might be right. Remember the Comcast Business score the other day? I magically disappeared now @fringe salmon @drowsy anchor
drowsy anchor
lol
hot tartan
Kuuube try and see if they merged you with the normal AT&T
drowsy anchor
can you link it again
ornate cedar
Standard monopolist fuckery
drowsy anchor
is this the thing? because its broken for me now
oh wait nvm apparently just searching it found the euw site instead of the na site
compared to my results last time
drowsy anchor
lol
fading spade
slim token
got me there
fading spade
slim token
this is why i only do iphone gaming
hot tartan
Aren’t iPhone gamers the ones that invest in gaming routers?
young crow
i have a gaming apple router
fossil solar
I mean my router is kinda gamer
frosty dew
wtf is a "gaming router"?
fossil solar
I imagine it’s something like this
frosty dew
... looks like some kind of summoning circle
fossil solar
Yes it summons better ping
fossil solar
Nah it’s 100% guaranteed
You get better ping
And higher fps
And a waifu if youre a weeb
frosty dew
i'm REALLY not sure if you are serious rn
fossil solar
I mean these routers go for $400
keen urchin
Nowadays, 'gaming' isn't primarily about any features, although they're part of marketing
It's mostly about the design
ornate cedar
More antenna's, more ability to yell over the other networks. Or more simutanious comms with the router by setting 1 or more antenna's to some channel and with the other antenna's doing the same and occupy other channels.
hollow sphinx
feral ferry
According to a rumour
This certain install package for PS4 has leaked
And it's none other than CP2077
fringe salmon
yeah and it doesnt contain day one patch, so basically useless
slim token
laughs in f12
feral ferry
70 pounds is a fair price
Nice second joke
Sorry I ain't paying for a piece of likely shitty media that costs roughly the same as a good router
proper cargo
Laughs in cd key price 50%
ornate cedar
Laughs in 50gb update
feral ferry
Laughs in poor
barren pewter
laughs in "WTF, not paying $100 CAD for a game"
barren pewter
no
fair compensation for sony
they give the PRIVILAGE of letting you have your game on PS5
slim token
better if digital, because you dont fully own it
frosty dew
"i dont envy you consolers, pay 350 on console, pay more on games"
well. computer
pay about 500 for a "budget" build.
easily another 100 for an "okay" monitor that's probably just 60hz at about 1080p
pay another 50 - 100 for peripherals like mouse, keyboard, headset. (budget stuff btw)
and THEN the games, which arent that much different than the costs of a console game.
ornate cedar
Razor and blades model
slim token
which is why i always buy on sale
proper cargo
Depwnds pink. You can reduce cost by selling ur old parts.
barren pewter
and deskmats
ornate cedar
You give them the razor you sell them the blades
slim token
never greater than 30 for game
frosty dew
well, budget builds usually dont have a lot of rgb...
barren pewter
that's because not enough of your budget goes to RGB
frosty dew
tbf, i highly doubt anyone is willing to buy my old 750 ti at this point in time.
ornate cedar
rgb leds are like 10 cents
barren pewter
I would
proper cargo
I bought my new system for bout 1500. Sold off my old system for 350, bringing down costs to 1150. Kept the graphics card.
barren pewter
@frosty dew $30 CAD including shipping
frosty dew
CAD? Canadian Dollar?
barren pewter
yup
proper cargo
CANADA
frosty dew
i dont think 30 would even cover the shipping.
ornate cedar
Computer Assisted Design
frosty dew
i mean, i paid for my computer, all i'm missing is a proper gpu, but i'm thinking getting a friends rx580
dude, i'm in germany.
frosty dew
and with that 580 i'll wait out this "no stock" desaster
frosty dew
i'll probably just give it back to the same friend that is leaving me his 580
barren pewter
before the assholes use it for mining
frosty dew
will it be in stock though?
proper cargo
Pink
barren pewter
maybe
fringe salmon
yes, for a few minutes, also no AiB models
fringe salmon
AiB models come next week on the 25th
barren pewter
I'm done too
proper cargo
Well. When nothing is in stock ur done shopping alright
Still waiting for my 5900x
By the time i get it they have announced the 5900xt
barren pewter
still waiting on my 3070 Backorder
proper cargo
frosty dew
i mean stuff like christmas gift that arent computer parts... lol.
proper cargo
Fireworks are now officially illegal in the netherlands
barren pewter
bruh
frosty dew
lol. in this case so far it's booze and household appliances.
proper cargo
They used corona to push through an anti fireworks bill
barren pewter
we let the government become the weed plug, and you guys ban fireworks?
proper cargo
I know right
frosty dew
i mean, for one reason i can see is, that fireworks can cause fire especially in old town parts, where a lot of like timber frame, or even wooden rooftiles is used
though i highly doubt that's the entirety of netherlands XD
ornate cedar
Well, if they are both illegal.. i will use fragmentation granades instead
frosty dew
just shoot into the air with flares. should still be legal. lol
frosty dew
wooden buildings is certainly not a "dutch" problem
barren pewter
that's nice
proper cargo
N stuff
ornate cedar
Wooden buildings are rare.. as they are for poor people
frosty dew
germany for example has wooden timber frame houses in it's old town parts, from like 750
frosty dew
though tbf, american air raids destroyed a lot of the historical buildings
ornate cedar
We have concrete and rebar over here
barren pewter
yup
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We still got homes with straw roofs, but only the rich can afford that
barren pewter
though tbf, american air raids destroyed a lot of the historical buildings
@frosty dew that's a very european/Canadian problem to have
ornate cedar
That is the expected result when you drop megatons of bombs somewhere
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Uhh
ornate cedar
and warcrimes were legal back then. now it is only when reported
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Actually, allies had a non destruction agreement with the dutch government in excile. All allied air raids done on dutch soil were by mistake. Most damage have been done by germans, still.
barren pewter
there were no warcrimes back then
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ornate cedar
The german bombing of Rotterdam was also a mistake
barren pewter
yup
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Yes. It was supposed to be called off
ornate cedar
they forgot to signal the bombers
barren pewter
ornate cedar
because of a technicality the dutch could not surrender without the signiture of the German officer
lol
op pls nerf
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atleast we didnt surrender like the denmarks within...what was it? 2 hours @orchid prism ?
orchid prism
We were supposed to surrender right away actually - Not a chance in hell of holding em back.
That news took a while to reach some troops.
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XD
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only to get their arses kicked at Cean
barren pewter
very nice mansen
ornate cedar
The dutch were very underequipped for war. They lacked training, ww1 era weaponry, severe lack of armour(total: 1 tankette with mg), outdated airforce and lack of professional officers. Plus the whole hoping for neutrality did not help
barren pewter
yup
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actually we had 3 tanks but 2 of them were bogged down in the swamp cause our generals wanted to show our military command that we didnt needed tanks
so we invested in french 27mm anti tank guns instead
which were enough to take down the german panzer 4's at the time
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3 tanks. 2 of them ended up in a swamp
at the end, we really didnt need armor. we just breached some levies, creating artificial swamps and the german tanks were bogged down
plus, due to all the rivers running through the netherlands, all we had to do was defend the bridges chokepoints
and not really sure if you can call ww1 era guns outdated. i mean, rifles at the time were using huge calibers. 1 of those bullets could deal alot more damage than the 5.56mm used in an m16
we were using AK calibers back then 😛
feral ferry
Dutchies had a fairly decent navy
ornate cedar
It did anger Hitler that it went so poorly. Thinking it would be at max 5 days.
ornate cedar
and the machineguns
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though most of our fleet was lend leased to the brits
not like we had any harbors of our own to store them anyways. holland was under control of the germans. indonesia under japanese control
ornate cedar
Most of what remained either became spies or joined the British army
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yea, though 1 issue was that german occupation was actually quite mild in the netherlands. maybe because of our germanic background. but because of this, we didnt saw the germans as big of an evil as, say, the polish. if you look at the difference between jewish being ratted out in the netherlands and belgium, we ratted out alot more jews. jews seriously wernt safe in the netherlands. ofcourse, we had a resistance, but we could have done alot more against the occupation like the french did.
no wait ive read about it. hitler seriously didnt care about the netherlands XD thats why our occupation was mild. plus, we had a facist party, the nsb. they took upon the police role.
ornate cedar
The communism party was a huge thorn. Which was responsible for the febuary strike of 1941. Around 300 000 people joined this strike. This was heavily suppressed by the germans after three days, considered to be the first and only public protest in the occupied lands of Nazi Germany.
frosty dew
how can a gun be outdated?
if it fires a round that can kill people?
boom. i'd call that still effective.
(now i know you mean stuff like, penetrating crazy amount of armor, range, etc etc etc)
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it was hardly outdated. the most used transportation during ww2 were bikes and horses. there wernt enough cars for a fully mechanized force, where ever
ornate cedar
ww1 era rifles are not concidered to be anywhere sufficient even in that time
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no. the rifles were sufficient. it were the bullets. during ww1, some black powder guns were still in use. semi automatic rifles, or even -light- machine guns were just gimmicks that only saw real use at the end of the war.
alot of guns at the start of ww1 were still using stub bullets
it were the germans that started to use the pointed bullets
barren pewter
what rifle were the dutch using during WW2 anyway?
ornate cedar
Geweer M. 95
barren pewter
oh
barren pewter
that wasn't horribly outdated
opaque tinsel
Tf is this chat
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1895
ornate cedar
That is the same rifle
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i know XD
barren pewter
but different
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but mannlicher sounds better than gewehr 95
barren pewter
when you consider thatn everyone except the americans were using bolt action rifles
it's not that bad
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uhh, americans still used them tho
barren pewter
not always
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in the pacific scene
ornate cedar
Germans made use of a lot submachine guns
orchid prism
when you consider thatn everyone except the americans were using bolt action rifles
@barren pewter Germany would like a word.
ornate cedar
mp-40
barren pewter
kar98k
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yea, but the bolt action kar.98 was still the most used rifle
barren pewter
literally half of the german army was equiped with a kar 98k
ornate cedar
estimated 1.1 million were made
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Between 1935 and 1945, about 14,000,000 Kar98k rifles of all variants were built; 132,000 of which were sniper rifles. During the war, Russian and other Soviet troops captured several million Karabiner 98k Kurz rifles of all variants.
barren pewter
and they're still solid, reliable rifles
ornate cedar
Just like the panzer 4
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what like the panzer 4?
ornate cedar
solid, reliable
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and explosive as heck
ornate cedar
any tank explodes when ammoracked
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uhh, no? the german panzer's were loaded to the brim with ammunition, where the american sherman had special stowage bins to store them in. in the panzer 3 and 4, there was an ammorack directly behind the driver. ANY frontal penetration had the potential to make the tank go kaboom in alot more ways than one.
even late in the war
the americans always used stowage bins to store their shells inside. i think somewhere in 1943 they even used wet stowage bins, so a penetration and a hot breech gets put out inmediatly.
orchid prism
I knew it! World of tanks lied to me! 
😆
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the german panzer's were hardly more competent than whatever hte opposition had. all tanks early in the war could penetrate other tanks.
hell, the freaking russians, which had an entire civil war going for them, managed to figure out tanks better than the germans
and hte german co developed tanks on russian soil. they both had access to the information, yet the germans desided to make some design descisions that were both good and bad
ornate cedar
Because of their insufficient armor, the insides of Sherman tanks were prone to catching fire during combat. This problem was compounded when fires ignited shells and other munitions inside a tank. Sherman M4’s were jokingly referred to by British soldiers as “Ronsons”, a brand of lighter whose slogan was “Lights up the first time, every time!”[iv] Polish soldiers referred to them simply as “The Burning Grave”.
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ofcourse, russia equally
and that is positively false panda 🙂
shermans were hardly any more of a fire hazard than a panzer or a t-34
ornate cedar
“The 3rd Armored Division entered combat in Normandy with 232 M4 Sherman tanks. During the European Campaign, the Division had some 648 Sherman tanks completely destroyed in combat and we had another 700 knocked out, repaired and put back into operation. This was a loss rate of 580 percent.”
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also, the sherman had sloped armor. even the early variants with only 50mm of armor, with the slope, had 73mm of effective armor. the later variants with 75mm of frontal armor, had a sloped armor equivelant as the unsloped parts of the tiger
AND
because it was sloped, it had a higher chance to deflect the shell
ornate cedar
Sherman tanks were not nearly as efficient or as armored as the primary German tank, the Panzer IV. This was a fact even before the upgrading of Panzer gun barrels and armor in 1943. Shermans were under-gunned when fighting German Tiger tanks and out-maneuvered when facing German Panther tanks. These disparities are shown in an account of the famous Lt. Colonel William B. Lovelady, commander of the 3rd Armored Division’s 2nd Battalion, retold by Lt. Colonel Haynes Dugan.
“One of his Shermans turned the corner of a house and got off three shots at the front of a Panther, all bounced off. The Sherman then backed behind the corner and was disabled by a shot penetrating two sides of the house plus the tank.”[iii]
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because of the tank destroyer doctrine america was maintaining. shermans wernt meant to fight others tanks.
they had specialized tank destroyers for that
it wasnt until late '44 that a sherman with a 76mm gun was common
hot tartan
Tf is this chat
@opaque tinsel EU WW1 flashback discussion
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however, the rumor that the sherman is known as a burning coffin is false, spread by a disgruntled soldier
all tanks at the time, other than the russian tanks cause they were diesel fueled, had a high chance to catch fire
as i said, the munition of a panzer 3 and 4 was all over the tank. any frontal penetration could blow up that thing
frosty dew
still love how germans were "wait, sloped armor makes rounds potentially deflected?" only with the Tiger 2, or the panther series.
lol.
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ofcourse, the sherman was a design that allowed them to take this into consideration by putting the munition into bins
shermans are freaking huge
dont underestimate that
ornate cedar
They were made to be cheap and mass-producable
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ornate cedar
They would frequently breakdown
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cause there were plenty of shermans around to get parts from
hell, some shermans got canibalized and an extra plate got welded on the front of the tank, effectively turning them into a sherman jumbo but with a worse turret :p
general patton even ordered units under his command to do this so that "his tanks wouldnt retreat and turn tail whenever a house had the same dimensions as a tiger"
happened at le brille, 3 shermans moved up a road and it was raining to vision wasnt 100%. they thought they saw a tiger. turned out to be a shed where a tree had fallen onto, but it looked like a tiger XD
ornate cedar
The M4’s main armament was a short-barreled, low-velocity 75-mm gun, and its armour thickness was a maximum of 75 mm and a minimum of 12 mm (3 inches and 0.5 inch). The tank had a maximum speed of 38 to 46 km (24 to 29 miles) per hour and a range of 160 to 240 km (100 to 150 miles), depending on the series (M4 to M4A3E2).
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ha! you wont beat my years of world of tanks and warthunder knowledge!
nah, im just a pleb at tanks mostly.
feral ferry
What was the talk about? I see 76mm and 75mm gun talk 😄
ornate cedar
Main turret cannon bore size
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hell, the panzer 4 didnt had the 75mm gun till 1942, and even then, small numbers. didnt mass produce them till the H variant
and hte tank itself had only 50mm of armor at the time. sherman by default had a better gun and armor at the time
feral ferry
Which one are you talking about?
The short gun existed for a long time
The long version came later
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i know. the panzer 4 F2 started to have the long barrel, however, these were only used on the eastern front to counter the kv-1 and t-34
and these were converted F1's
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i know, they had to place the gun upside down to make it fit
feral ferry
Cramming a 76mm gun into a Sherman completely overburdened the turret
And the radio got kicked outside of the tank
Seriously conversions are rarely ever worth it
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yea, but the germans needed it. though encounters were rare since russia had a light tank doctrine at the time, whenever they did encounter a kv-1, they mostly had to mass spam it to get some lucky hits in taking it out, or wait for proper anti tank guns to move up
feral ferry
KV-1 had good armour, that's about it
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while german tanks were more mobile and had a better internal layout, the russian tanks were well armored.
feral ferry
Other than that it was unreliable as hell
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i know. most of hte time they couldnt use the highest gear cause then the gearbox would give out
tank was too heavy
feral ferry
For a moving bunker, it did its job
Though I'd say even the long 75mm would suffer against a KV-1
Too much raw armor
Iirc most shells on the long 75mm were like 110mm of pen at 500m 🤔
Make that 120mm actually
And up to 150mm with APCR at 500m
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which was really hardly used due to material shortage
feral ferry
True, Germany had a significant shortage of Tungsten
Which was a key component in high velo shells iirc
That's why their squeeze bore solution is actually quite genius
Even brits did the squeeze bore thing with the Matilda
Using the little john adapter
I think that Germans realized that due to material shortage they were forced to make really damn long barrels
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the littlejohn adapter was used for generally every 6 pounder but i dont think it had much use
feral ferry
It was actually quite effective
Combat history, I am unsure about
I know Aussies loved it
But as an invention it was bloody genius and incredibly effective
Germans were the primary operator of squeeze bore guns
And they were quite great tbh
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The adaptor was chiefly used on British armoured cars, e.g. the Daimler, which had been designed and built earlier in the war and could not be readily fitted with a larger gun. As an adaptor to the existing gun it could be removed so that normal rounds could be fired. This offered increased anti-armour effect but with obvious drawbacks in combat conditions. When crews discovered the special 'squeeze bore' ammunition was more effective than the standard 2pdr AT round even when not 'squeezed', the usual practice was to store the adaptors rather than have them fitted.
XD
the special ammo for the adaptor was effective without the adaptor
the power of apcr
feral ferry
APCR never went away, merely evolved
Though I am unconvinced that a metal slug that relies on shrapnel can be effective
Personally I'd rather make gigantic cannons in diameter (152mm) or so
And rely on the shell size for penetration, but also include HE filler
APHE shells essentially
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well, though not directly used for that function, they were used in that function where su-152's were brute forcing damaging other tanks. i mean, a huge HE shell hitting anywhere will severely dent the armor under it
it wont breech, but imagine such a shell hitting the side of a turret, it could bend the metal inwards, effectively disabling the turret cause its lost hte ability to turn
feral ferry
It's still effective nowadays albeit less
HE mainly hoped for shattering armor due to impact on the other side and again, shrapnell
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i mean, thats how most tanks were disabled. shoot the tracks. aint no1 got time at hte front lines to repair their track. that stuff takes time
feral ferry
Yeah in tank combat it was who blinks first usually loses
First shot off was a killing shot especially in western europe theatre
In eastern theatre there was a whole lot more emphasis on armor
Not to say that Churchill tanks were ineffective, they absolutely were.
But going full armor is a big no no
Although even repairing tracks doesn't take that long actually, at least for the track itself
Really depends on what tank you are shooting at
Some tanks were just built from scrap they were easy to maintain, like Sherman or T-34 afaik
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i think the churchills were actually fairly effective tanks, however, they were too damn slow making them easy targets for anti tank guns
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speed
feral ferry
What speed
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churchill was literally an evolved mark 4 :p
feral ferry
T-34 showed that universality was a very important factor in tank warfare tbh
Ever since then tanks were very universal
Although from 1950s up until 1970s you could debate armor was relatively meaningless
ornate cedar
T-34's had very thick very sloped armour with an powerfull cannon on top. Just the build quality was sheite, that is why molotovs were effective against it.
feral ferry
T-34's armor wasn't thick
45mm iirc
All around I believe
The angle is what did the trick
Thing is in theory the best tank is the one with the most insane slope
ornate cedar
ding
feral ferry
But you are sacrificing so much space inside the tank that it's countereffective
Something like the Panther's or T-34's slope is prolly the most effective type
Without sacrificing too much interior space
Strv 103 is a great showcase of how slopes can define a tank
Though the tank was relatively long I believe
ornate cedar
The Panther was upgraded to match the T-34. Ended up being a bit more battle effective than the t34. But soviets could make theirs a lot cheaper
feral ferry
Germans always overengineered tbh
T-34s had gaping holes inbetween armor plates
They were built in a rush
And could easily be field repaired
feral ferry
Panther's had to be sent back to the factories for most repair cases
I would argue that molotov's weren't that effective tbh
They had their purpose, but what really made the difference were AT mines
frosty dew
know what really made a difference?
nagasaki, hiroshima.
ornate cedar
Anti-material rifles would also be effective
feral ferry
Against tankettes and light vehicles prolly
For tanks you could prolly aim at the vision ports and completely impair the tank
Tanks weren't that useful back then when you think about it
Infantry and air aviation did most of the job 😄
ornate cedar
An tiger would easily flatten an infantry platoon
the machinegun would do most of the work
ornate cedar
And you would also aim for its track with the anti-material rifle. No track no movement
feral ferry
Ehh you'd have to provide me historical sources about a 14mm round being enough to break the track connectors
placid garden
at least in my other country using a tank is pointless
don’t take tanks into jungles
ornate cedar
Not if it is a warcrime on wheels and throws fire/gas
placid garden
ah right
they used defoliating agents there
glad I don’t live there cause that shit is still nasty
ornate cedar
If it harms the plants, it will probably be not good for me.
frosty dew
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sarcastic jerk XD maybe the one reason why i play fallout 4.
going to voiced protagonist was their best descision ever
quick frigate
Speaking of voiced protagonist, they voiced all the characters for 999, including Junpei, in the remake (not voicing them in the DS version was understandable), but they didn’t give Sigma a voice in VLR, which I thought was disappointing.
wheat kraken
oh uh... Terrifying Presence in FO:NV was great
Like while talking to Vulpes for the first time "I'm going to wear your head like you wear that dog's."
willow quiver
has anyone tested the analogue functionality of wooting on dark souls 3
ik some spreadsheet says that it can pick up kb+m and gamepad inputs simultaneously but i wanna see if someone with a woot tested this already
feral ferry
weak cypress
That went from east coast to west coast real fast.
feral ferry
I am more upset about las venturas being in the middle of the map
And Los santos in the most western corner
That does not make me happy
Just take the San Andreas map, remake it, 10x size it, and slap Liberty and Vice city somewhere
And you've got a good map
weak cypress
True.
You can even say some president or another just removed the flyover states, because it's GTA and that sort of stuff just happens.
feral ferry
The biggest bummer here is where Mount Chilliad is historically always placed, now is Los Santos
I mean what? 😄
Southwestern corner should always be dedicated to Mount Chilliad
fossil solar
SA had a great map
feral ferry
16x the penis detail
lone oasis
anyone want to do some APEX 😄
orchid prism
About to go shop. Maybe later tonight.
lone oasis
lies, you never play with me anymore 😢
orchid prism
You never ask when I have tiem 😄
lone oasis
you never have time though :p
orchid prism
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Mansen. Stop neglecting ur friends
lone oasis
you got one @orchid prism ?
hot tartan
Wait I thought Nansen hated AMD
fringe salmon
nah he juste hates Math :p
aka
he just didnt believe me when I said it will be better :p
well yeah, I also have no clue what next gen amd or nvidia will be like so without any info it's not wrong to expect it based on previous gens
but that was at a time where we had data already :p
hot tartan
Nah
Everybody feel free to go wild for AMD
Intel = PANIK
Either step up their game or lose
I like this
orchid prism
he just didnt believe me when I said it will be better :p
@fringe salmon I've also said repeatedly that I -want- them to succeed. I just didn't expect them to based on recent failures 😄
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gib me ur 6800!
fringe salmon
Yes, as I said, I didn’t base it on trust or hope, I based it on math which you ignored 😛