🎮│game

[feral ferry]

He says "fiscal", not physical

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiscal_year

Typical company speak

[severe compass]

If Joe Rogan is in GYA6 I ain't buying
I mean I wasn't going to buy it anyway, but fuck that guy

[feral ferry]

What's the typical consensus on JR nowadays?

What's his political compass

[tired knoll]

based asf

[feral ferry]

That's the only adjective in your dictionary?

[trim rock]

No idea, the only JR I've heard is some AI memes

[feral ferry]

He seems very mixed from first glances

Didn't he go anti-vax during covid?

[tired knoll]

I feel like he gets a lot of bad rep.

[tired knoll]

yes

[feral ferry]

"In an interview with comedian Bill Burr last week, Rogan implied that people who wore masks outside during the coronavirus pandemic – in accordance with CDC recommendations – were “bitches.”"

You know, I get the whole vaccination controversy, or at least both sides of it

[fringe salmon]

I see him like a less brain dead version of alex jones

which is still not a great look

[feral ferry]

You must be a special breed to think that masks are also a problem

Yeah I hope he doesn't get any limelight on GTA6

A reference, or parody would be good

[severe compass]

Like at best: Dude gives an uncontested platform for all kinds of nasties and con artists. He'll say invite on a snake oil salesman, and then allow the dude to rant for 6 hours with no pushback from Joe. Next thing I see articles on how Joe's viewers stopped taking their medication in favour of snakeoil and died from their diabetes.

[tired knoll]

well it's their fault for blindly trusting someone on the internet for something as serious as diabetes

[fading spade]

why do all the other gaming handhelds have such ugly gamer-style UIs?

its so ugly

[fringe salmon]

really? could have told me that's the current steamdeck ui and I would have believed it

[fading spade]

even the ROG Ally's UI is garbage looking

this is steam deck's sidebar....though the old version, the tabs are vertical on the side now

[quiet vault]

if phone manufacturers can't make good ui

why would those be able to

[fading spade]

I like Samsung OneUI style, except the icons and status bar

and I love LOVE Pixel style

Stock Android Material You theme <3

[quiet vault]

i hate the grey they use in one UI

[fading spade]

Yeah....OneUI in better in light theme

[quiet vault]

so sad that samsung doesnt go close to pixel

[fading spade]

Yeah... that being said, Pixel doesnt use AMOLED Black anymore in dark theme

its tinted by your accent color

[quiet vault]

hmm

[fading spade]

my accent color is lavender

it tints the background lavender also

[quiet vault]

more aesthetic then black

[fading spade]

If you have the right color yes

I don't like this one

Only the quick toggles use AMOLED black

[quiet vault]

hard to combine black with colors

[fading spade]

Light theme xr

[orchid prism]

Ughh... why is ANNO so... ANNO

Every try I jump back in they launch more DLC that doesn't fix things, just add more mud on top 😄

[feral ferry]

Welcome to ANNO

[orchid prism]

It's just 1800 specifically that annoys me to no end.

[feral ferry]

1800 has feature creep

It's just way too many things to do

[quiet vault]

fixing doesn't give money

[orchid prism]

It's more that feature stacking.

[feral ferry]

Each feature makes others more annoying

Build one thing, you need more wood, coal, steel, oil, etc

It's just lines upon lines of resource prod

Idk, it's a lot of content but it can be alright

[orchid prism]

I gave up after reaching Artists.

Airships help with trading, but they are super high upkeep, and moving stuff between maps is always a disaster.

And the super limited range of things. Like a powerplant that can't even carry a block wide.

[quiet vault]

U can buy airfreight for faster shipping

[feral ferry]

Ngl absolutely horrendous performance aside, I had to switch to gaming on my secondary FHD monitor cause my QHD was really struggling

Starfield is.. a beth game through and through

Ragdolls flying around, props glitching out

But also rather smooth

Definitely an improvement, with all the jank that should be there

I hope they patch the performance cause it's *really * bad

[bleak pike]

Didn't you say perf was fine lol

[feral ferry]

I never said that

All I said is that 40FPS is playable, and considering I am playing the game rn on what feels like 25FPS and can have fun, 40FPS continues to be playable

If I'm anything, I am not delusional, and this game is horrifically unoptimized and shouldn't have launched at this state, even I can see that

[fading spade]

playing doom at 40FPS on Deck and it silky smooth

[feral ferry]

Ah, a person that isn't entitled and can genuinely admit that 40FPS isn't as bad as most think it is

[fading spade]

yeah, I was actually really impressed by it

[feral ferry]

40FPS is very easily playable, like, there's no conversation to be had there, but it can always be better

[fading spade]

especially in games that just feel smooth anyway like Source Engine games and DOOM

[feral ferry]

25 or so I'm playing at rn is tolerable, but really detracting

[fading spade]

wtf game you playing at 25?

[feral ferry]

Starfield

[fading spade]

o..

[feral ferry]

On desktop hardware

It's pretty bad

[fading spade]

oh

wow

[feral ferry]

Imagine even hoping that Starfield was going to run on anything handheld

[fading spade]

ikr

[feral ferry]

https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/square-enix-confirms-final-fantasy-16-pc-version-and-dlc-plans/

[fringe salmon]

wtf do they mean "confirms" pc version

[feral ferry]

Although I think Beth could 300%+ the current PC perf over multiple patches

Like, I don't really see what's so hard to run about this

300% being 25FPS -> 75FPS

A reasonable expectation, I hope

[fading spade]

anything above 60 is reasonable for me these days...

on desktop

AAA games are unoptimised af .-.

love retro games, 60FPS stable was their target

at minimum

[fringe salmon]

bethesda performance is not the norm for AAA optimization

[fading spade]

https://youtu.be/FCftcNO3-B4

[feral ferry]

What do you exactly mean by that?

[fading spade]

.-.

fucking hate this garbage

needing to be signed into an online account to play a SINGLE PLAYER GAME

[fringe salmon]

I mean 1080p needing a 4090 nearly is not normal and just a starfield special

[feral ferry]

I mean, the overexaggeration aside, you are right

[fading spade]

idk wtf specs the click has but hes not lagging yet

[feral ferry]

This is just really really shoddy optimization

@fringe salmon is it easy to optimize a game?

[fringe salmon]

depends

whats the target, what is the stuff happening on screen and what is the starting mess you have

[feral ferry]

I know that Unity has this thing that showcases what consumes the most latency or something

Like, what takes the longest to load, most demanding modules

[fringe salmon]

profiler yeah, you can see what function takes how many ms of a frame etc.

[feral ferry]

I hope they have something like that to even have any bearings where to start optimizing

[fringe salmon]

oh yeah thats default for anything

and then you have amd/nvidia insight stuff to see how it runs on the gpu

[fading spade]

damn boi, dem eyelashes looking FFFIIIINNNNEEEEEEEEE

[hot spire]

so

i found "luxury" crew quarters

they are 1x3 but only hold 2

why so many chairs!!

[fading spade]

LOL

[hot spire]

they could if fit 2 cabins in there with out so many chairs

[fading spade]

its not the best choice, its spacer's choice

gosh damn I enjoyed that game

[hot spire]

4 tables, a bar, and 2 couchs

for 2 peopel

[fading spade]

yeah...not good space optimisation xd

[hot spire]

same with the capians quaters from this manufacture

'

2 desks

and a meeting table

the 2x3 brig has a amazing office though

[feral ferry]

I just saw a thing about Starfield's environments

[hot spire]

and the big mess hall is massive

[feral ferry]

https://www.eurogamer.net/bethesda-hired-the-creator-of-a-skyrim-clutter-mod-to-design-starfields-lighting-and-clutter

[feral ferry]

The environmental livedness is really really good

Tons of props, meticulously placed

Places genuinely look like they have been used for something

Now if only performance wasn't a letdown, I'd have a lot more fun with this game

[hot spire]

why did you think it would run good

nothing from bgs has been easy to run at launch

[fading spade]

now im very curious what specs he has....

his game is smooth rn

while streaming

[feral ferry]

Never really played any of their games on launch tbf

[fading spade]

I dont understand the mission UI, and the map

[feral ferry]

Cause you're not playing the game

The UI is a bit unintuitive, but easy to understand

[fading spade]

I couldnt figure out the missions and navigation UI in Destiny 2 and I played that for hours

[feral ferry]

Uh, Lana, doesn't that speak more about you?

[fading spade]

yes

ok nvm I got it now

its very tedious looking

picking a location along the route of the place you wanna get to, then holding shift to charge up and then waiting for the scan to finish and repeat until you get to where you want to go

[feral ferry]

It's.. really not tedious

The only things that annoy me is the trade menu, where you have to constanly shift between your and the person you are trading with menus, instead of them being side by side

[fading spade]

o..

[feral ferry]

And that the ship storage requires like 3-4 menu clicks to access

Other than that, it looks good

[fading spade]

no wonder click likes Starfield
Hes the biggest fan of No Man's Sky

[feral ferry]

And I find myself WAY more encumbered in Starfield than in any other BGS game

Like, holy cow there's so many things to pick up

[orchid prism]

So uh... Can you play Starfield as anything other than a mass murderer? Or are you stuck plowing down hordes of nameless NPCs with no alternate routes or solutions to everything?

[feral ferry]

Stealth exists, diplomacy exists

Although tbf

[orchid prism]

So you can choose rarely to use a gun?

[feral ferry]

The very first quest after the initial intro is "kill a bad guy"

[young crow]

stealth makes it not a murder

life tips

[feral ferry]

So, assasination quests still exist

[feral ferry]

Or just sneak past people and ignore them

But some have to die cause, story reasons

[orchid prism]

Thesda' aren't exactly known for "something other than combat", so I had to ask.

Just look at Fallout and Skyrim.

[fading spade]

Game: "Abandoned Outpost Found"
Also Game: The entire Outpost was being used by Spacers

THATS NOT ABANDONDED

we had to kill them all to get into the Outpost

[orchid prism]

Something can be abandoned and yet in use. We call that squatters.

[fringe salmon]

abandoned outpost that now houses bandits

oldest thing in the book

[fading spade]

Spacers are bandits

got it

[fringe salmon]

idk but it sounds like it

[orchid prism]

Are they the original, legal owners of said outpost?

[fading spade]

who knows xd

[orchid prism]

I'll have to test the game and see if you can play it as a near pacifist. Without having "279 bandits killed" after a handful of hours.

[fading spade]

if you shoot someone with this gun, they have a chance to be demoralised

i mean yeah....

[feral ferry]

I wish I could answer that question, but I am too busy rn cause I wandered off to find abandoned outposts on a starter planet

So far in tutorial I had to 1) Kill a bunch of pirates that tried to attack a friendly outpost 2) Destroy 3 pirate ships cause they really don't like you and force combat 3) Get a quest that literally says "kill pirate leader"

But I'm too busy hoarding items to do that 3rd point

Exploration is more important than quests

[fading spade]

lets go Demoralise them, with bullets
The Click - 2023 - Starfield

VODKA IN A JUICE BOX OMFH

[feral ferry]

Alright, this is why I love Beth games

[orchid prism]

I walked around on a space station with a 5000 credit bounty, and not a single guard cared - until I literally walked up to them and said hi.

[feral ferry]

Like I just love things ragdolling out of control, people glitching into walls and physics freaking out

The most fun you can have

[orchid prism]

Can't wait for the inevitable "build your own house" but as a spaceship mothership, DLC.

[feral ferry]

You can build an outpost and furnish it

[orchid prism]

(Only for it to be so rudimentary and shit, that mods will keep mocking it for years to come, hi Skyrim)

[feral ferry]

Also there are houses for sale, one of the "starter perks" is that you actually start with a luxury house

... which comes with a weekly rent of 125.000 currency

[orchid prism]

It's space. Why would you ever settle on a planet.

That's every open world space game ever.

[fading spade]

Im guessing enemies ignore Sarah during stealth attempts?

[feral ferry]

Like, I am not sure why you would pick that luxury house starter perk, cause I've been going about looting outposts

[fading spade]

or do you get spotted if they spot her?

[feral ferry]

125k is a lot more than 6k I managed to find

And that's per in-game week

You'd literally be constantly bankrupt with that perk

That sounds insane

[fringe salmon]

dear god no

mortage is the total thing not the monthly cost lol

[feral ferry]

Ohh

I knew 125k is insane

125k in total with 1% weekly is fine I guess

[orchid prism]

Vex...

[feral ferry]

Sorry alright, I totally misunderstood

I saw "125k" and "paid weekly" and really didn't like the sound of that

[orchid prism]

D'aww... there's a trait where you send your parents money every week, and you can visit them 😄

FINALLY a Bethesda game without daddy issues.

[feral ferry]

Right I found a broken weapon right off the bat

The very first gun you get is basically 10mm from Fallout games, has good damage but ammo is uncommon, deals 11 damage

[quiet vault]

🤨

[feral ferry]

I just got a 40 damage dealing .27 caliber sidearm

That's a really busted pistol

[feral ferry]

Not parents, children

[orchid prism]

wat

[feral ferry]

Wait lol I misread even that

I thought that adds your children as NPCs

[feral ferry]

Fam I need some reading comprehension, what am I doing

[orchid prism]

First Thesda' game where you're not necessarily an orphaned, namesless, identityless criminal 😄

[feral ferry]

I read that, and thought that it basically adds your children or something

[orchid prism]

A shame you can't seem to combine it with dream house, and just have them live with you.

(mods when)

[feral ferry]

Oi, Fallout 3 you literally see your pops at beginning raising you happily

[orchid prism]

Fallout? Never heard of it.

(SHAUN)

[feral ferry]

Might be able to enlist them to your crew

Then deposit them into a outpost

[orchid prism]

That would be hilarious. Have your mom as the ship chef, and your dad as some kind of engineering post.

[feral ferry]

Kick them out to some barebones ice planet outpost cause you never liked them anyways

[orchid prism]

[feral ferry]

There's 1 trait that's a must-pick

One thing really impressive is the large amount of firearms

A lot of cool looking guns

[hot spire]

so

i found a perm stat mag

i didnt think they were in this

that took forever to find one

[feral ferry]

Found one in the very first planet where you have to kill the pirate leader

[feral ferry]

AYO

The forbidden nugs

[hot spire]

the real forbidden nug

[feral ferry]

Yeah that one's also concerning

The fact it's edible is..

[hot spire]

my fav

juice box wiskey

[feral ferry]

Is it bad that we have something similar here locally?

This shite

Vodka in plastic jello jars

Haven't seen them for a while

[hot spire]

why is it censored

was it overed in japanese penises?>

[feral ferry]

Brand or something, it's Cento

Which literally means "Penny"

Cause it was like 40 pennies for a jar

All the drunks hoarded em

[hot spire]

nice suit

[feral ferry]

What firearm are you maining?

[hot spire]

2 better stats and i have the upgrades

[hot spire]

boncing betty shotgu

[feral ferry]

I found this and the stats are insane for a starter weapon

[hot spire]

kills even level 70s in single hit

becasue the 76/4 bug for exploive weapons exists

thing wrecks

[feral ferry]

I got a coachman but it does nowhere near that

[hot spire]

mods

hornets nest is op as fuck

but has a 20% chance to one shot me

[feral ferry]

It's a Beth game, there was never any balance

It's just have fun

[hot spire]

so its a engine bug in fo4

explosive thrown or rockets only damage one part

[nimble current]

why have balance when it just works

[hot spire]

explosive bullets hit every limb for the same damage

[orchid prism]

Pfft... reading makes you carry more. Completely unimmersive.

no gains, no swole.

[hot spire]

so this will do 219 on hit

but the explosion hits all limbs for 50

so head+torso+larm+rarm+lleg+rleg

so 6x50 extra damage

for every explosion

well after the 50

it dose a second 5 explostions that do 10

so 219+6x50+6x10x5

[feral ferry]

Ah, first tactical weapon

Looks hella cool

[hot spire]

so 219+300+300

[feral ferry]

The fact I am only level 3 and my gun does 40 damage, and you are fighting level 70+

[hot spire]

tesla pylons are dope

you shoot 2 of them

[feral ferry]

The damage scaling seems off

[hot spire]

and they connect with lightning

which dose damage

[orchid prism]

No Man's Outer Worlds Syndrome

[hot spire]

how so?

im lvl 30

and i can one shot 70s

[feral ferry]

That's still weird

[hot spire]

but 70s one shot me

also my numbers migher be high because of skills

[feral ferry]

I am level 3 with a 40 damage pistol, you have an "epic rarity" gun does 85 at level 30

Like, there's something wrong with that stat scaling

Should be a lot sharper

[hot spire]

its modded

also fo dosent have that

the way armor works

niether dose this

as its using the same armor system

[feral ferry]

And just as I said that, I found a first legendary

[hot spire]

reflect ios dope

[bleak pike]

@feral ferry https://twitter.com/CaptainMal77/status/1698034492026360079

Captain Mal Seventy-Seven 🇺🇦 (@CaptainMal77)

I am not going to swamp y’all with #STARFIELD content, but when I saw this I laughed so hard I thought I was going to actually pass out. The very best part of Skyrim has made its way to the stars. 😂

Likes

5007

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Twitter · Sep 2, 2023, 6:05 PM

[orchid prism]

Murrca

[bleak pike]

what are the chances for a patch at launch xD

[hot spire]

lmao

this gun fires in a grid

left to right

top to bottom

[orchid prism]

Call it the Scanline.

[hot spire]

omfg

the 2x2 hab has NO beds

and sleeps 3

[orchid prism]

https://twitter.com/QuiteShallow/status/1698389048476233831

ˢʰʸ (@QuiteShallow)

so legendary ship kickd my ass several times really hard
but then i realized wait a minute this star destroyer looking ass has a tiny design flaw
all of its guns are on top its structure
so i uh

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Twitter · Sep 3, 2023, 5:34 PM

[hot spire]

how do get that mission?

[orchid prism]

Apparently like in AC4 there are some unique, super tough ships just out there waiting for you.

As a challenge.

[feral ferry]

How exactly do you even board ships

Tried to board a few after they were critically damaged, didn't let me

Is it like an unlockable feature by a skill/challenge?

[orchid prism]

You can capture ships, yes

[hot spire]

fyi

https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/350

10/10

[orchid prism]

[feral ferry]

What's the point of a 60 FPS UI when the game barely runs at 30FPS

[still spire]

lol

Can't wait for PC release yeah

[hot spire]

its so annoying you can move parts from ship to ship

a place will sell a ship with a part, but not the part

[tough jay]

The point of a 60fps ui is that it really doesn't matter performance wise, and depending on the ui animations on it may still look smoother at 60

[hot spire]

the ui dose

[orchid prism]

[orchid prism]

Oof.

Starfield with a 3080 at Medium is... rough 😄

Also - God I hope someone mods in controller + mouse.

It is PAINFUL to have to walk, stop, walk, stop to follow someone.

What a rookie pilot. Having the thrusters on AFTER the ship is already solidly on the landing platform.

[vital wyvern]

I wonder why they make player character walk so much faster than NPCs in so many games

like literally the only reason to have a walking toggle is RP purposes

and if you can't walk with people, what's the point

[orchid prism]

To let players catch up. Such an outdated approach

[hot spire]

its worst in bgs games

[orchid prism]

It works fine on CONTROLLER.

[hot spire]

the player is slower walking

faster running

[orchid prism]

But when you port something to keyboard controls...yeah

[hot spire]

and you can sprint

[orchid prism]

Here I do both faster.

Constantly have to stop while WALKING

[hot spire]

i would imagine there will be a patch for dual controls

the wooting mod for fo4 works amazing

[orchid prism]

Are you KIDDING me. Can't even set ironsights to a TOGGLE

[hot spire]

yeah you can

its in the options

[orchid prism]

. . . Why is it in ACCESSIBILITY

I swear to Todd.

[hot spire]

that i dont know

maybe someone on dev team is missing a finger

[feral ferry]

Ngl, you must be really really weird if you do set it to toggle

So accessibility options menu fits

https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/373?tab=posts hmm

Tessellation is very taxing afaik

[orchid prism]

Why the hell would I hold down a button for prolonged scoping?

[feral ferry]

Why not?

[orchid prism]

Like it's some weird endurance test.

HOLD SHIFT TO BREATHE

[feral ferry]

Yes

Idk it makes no sense to toggle it

[orchid prism]

https://tenor.com/view/gina-brooklyn-99-hard-no-gif-18998037

And oh god. That 30FPS UI really hits hard.

[feral ferry]

It'd be like 2 decades of muscle memory of holding down right click for iron sights

[orchid prism]

No wonder people have been so keen on midding the shit out of it.

[orchid prism]

Two and a half decades of toggle you mean.

[feral ferry]

Pfft, peasant

I was in the U.S marines and we trained for days to hold down the right click

[orchid prism]

I love how the game gives you the choice of going "Yeah hell no. I'm not going on some weird adventure", and then everyone promptly ignores you.

[feral ferry]

Tbf, that's how the game should be

"Yeah lad, you are special, you are coming with me"

"No"

"Ok, have a good day"

[orchid prism]

Why even include it, if you give the player zero advocacy

shudder

It has that "your name is in the database, so we'll say it" thing from Fallout 4 😄

[feral ferry]

I mean, that's your queue to create your character

Some games choose to do it right off the bat

Beth do it a bit later

Oh yeah to Starfield players

Be extremely careful with autosaves

Some peeps have gotten saves corrupt cause of autosaves and whole game has broke

[orchid prism]

HAHAHA even the ship flying UI is a stuttery mess.

That aiming circle is visually stuttering when moving it.

[feral ferry]

Sometimes I feel we play different games

You sure that's not intentional?

After all, FCS (fire control systems) aren't supposed to be smooth

[orchid prism]

Oh no it feels VERY accidental.

This fucker feels like it's at 5fps. If I move the mouse around even remotely fast, I can make it appear in three places at all.

Ughhh... what is this control scheme.

Gotta hold spacebar to adjust X and Y axis directly.

Goes back to X3 in utter disgust

[hot spire]

its console flying

like battlefront lol

[feral ferry]

I am with you on that one tbf, the ship controls are very disorienting

But tbf I have the same problems with War Thunder air battles

[hot spire]

you know its a dragon with a hat right?

like fallouts subway is a dude with a hat

[feral ferry]

Any game with 360 degree field of view just confuses my brain

[hot spire]

you have to unlock strafing

even thoughj it isnt useful

[orchid prism]

I can hold down spacebar and get the movement I want. But I can't BIND those controls.

SMH

[hot spire]

thrusters is a skill lol

[orchid prism]

I can already use them in the tutorial.

But I can't BIND those keys that holding down spacebar unlocks, directly.

[hot spire]

they arent usefull

ships dont fly that well

and there isnt like tight places to fly

[orchid prism]

They are to me.

Also why on gods green earth does the game expect me to use ARROW KEYS while flying.

[hot spire]

the power thing is like other games

[orchid prism]

Not via ARROW KEYS it aint xD

[hot spire]

yeah it is

[vital wyvern]

btw, is it one of those games where you cannot rebind some things

[orchid prism]

Alright - Space flight is impossible. It's stuttery and jerky. I'll have to shelf this for some performance patches.

[orchid prism]

YES

(See above rant)

[hot spire]

you can

[vital wyvern]

grumble grumble CP2077

[hot spire]

in text

[vital wyvern]

oh right, perfect lol

why let the player rebind any key when you can spend more effort hardcoding it in

fantastic

[orchid prism]

[hot spire]

i forget what spae game it is

but it has literally the same power system

[orchid prism]

I should be able to just hold ALT and adjust them quickly with you know... my mouse.

Instead of moving my hands away from the main controls.

[hot spire]

isnt it freespace?

[vital wyvern]

pishposh, what nonsense! you play in the order and to the magnitude as we see fit, over here at bethesda game studios!

[hot spire]

i think its freesapce that has the power system

[orchid prism]

To adjust my power - while fighting, I have to take my hand off of the flight controls completely, and fiddle around with stuff.

[hot spire]

i mean

w and s is just set speed

so you left hand

[orchid prism]

And roll and... and

Also that is an ungodly uncomfortable movement

[hot spire]

the FlatFuck-C dosent roll well so i ignore that lol

[orchid prism]

UI scale is also all over the place.

Some popups are like FOUR TIMES THE SIZE of everything else.

[orchid prism]

[feral ferry]

the pear conspiracy

Food is really really bad in Starfield, as a healing item

You are forced to use medkits

A bit of a departure from previous games

[hot spire]

yeah no eating 50 cheesewheels

[barren pewter]

#BringBackBlackBloodSausage&ThickRedPaste

[hot spire]

Iguana-on-a-stick

[barren pewter]

strange meat

[hot spire]

"Iguana" bits

[barren pewter]

[hot spire]

i love Iguana Bob's Iguana bits

taste like real Iguana

[barren pewter]

mmmmhm

sure

[orchid prism]

I've eaten a fridge full of various snacks so far from fighting a couple of pirates.

It might not be cheese wheels, but the SNACC is there.

[orchid prism]

[hot spire]

then burn the box

[hot spire]

i found the limit 😦

[orchid prism]

[still spire]

So the guy who makes that DLSS Mod that was just cracked

His patreon is up to 600K a year right now

[orchid prism]

Why crack it, when you can just add it yourself? Took me 2mins.

[hot spire]

where di you get the dll from?

a little close with the camera

[orchid prism]

Uhh... Some tech website.

I'll grab you links when I officially wake up in a couple hours

[willow quiver]

Fair reaction

[still spire]

Huh?

[barren pewter]

do send it my way as well

:)

[still spire]

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1698383062558507009/pu/vid/1280x720/hu71RBrrssFGRH41.mp4?tag=12

lmao

[hot spire]

best part he actually leaves for good

[still spire]

I mean yeah

That's fair

[feral ferry]

You can't easily add frame generation

We discussed it with Quin, you can add the DLSS 3.5 updated upscaler version

But not frame generation or the brand new ray reconstruction thing

So the FG mod being cracked is pog

[barren pewter]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/236848993223573515/1108088834073305088/afbd8d1dc9c14eccbb7e34535bd70c0f.0.gif

[orchid prism]

Who the fuck wants fake frames.

DLSS is all about the upscale

[feral ferry]

Actually, a lot of people

[barren pewter]

people who can't get enough frames to begin with

[feral ferry]

I tried the fake frames thing

It works really well

[orchid prism]

https://tenor.com/view/ew-yuck-gif-13390919

[barren pewter]

it's...unfortunately the new thing

not only AI upscaling

but now...extra frames...guesstimated

[feral ferry]

For Starfield the extra frames is very much a necessity

[barren pewter]

honestly I'd give it a stab, but my brain just thinks upscaling alone is the way

[feral ferry]

When you can barely get playable frames

[barren pewter]

if you're a poor who doesn't have two 4090s in NVLink and running the game at 720p

[feral ferry]

Very funni

[hot spire]

if only

no nvlink

[barren pewter]

...holy shit

even the top end cards don't get that anymore

wow

[orchid prism]

Considering how poor the fake frames look... Yeah I'd just play something else.

But again your choice. I use 3.5 for upscaling only, and that's all I can offer

[barren pewter]

like SR 2022

[feral ferry]

Wait wait wait

This is the funniest thing I have ever read

Cause Starfield HDR is absolutely fucked

People are renaming Starfield.exe to farcry6.exe to trick Windows AutoHDR into working

[orchid prism]

[barren pewter]

wow this game is an absolute clusterfuck and it hasn't even come out yet

[feral ferry]

You know the weird thing is, for an AMD sponsored title, they sure are making me consider buying an RTX card

DLSS3 and 3.5 are pretty good man

But I have no intent on spending 1200€ on an RTX 4080

[barren pewter]

filthy poor talk

honestly though, yeah
2-3 months of rent or a gpu...
easy choice

[still spire]

https://imgsli.com/MjAzMDQx

That's some cheap rent

And this is Starfield with the color filter removed

[barren pewter]

Vexx lives in a much more...affordable country

what a weird thing to say
"affordable country"

like yeah man, you can actually earn a decent living here
woah

[still spire]

Yeah in the US, 1200 Euros wouldn't even get you a one room apartment

[tired knoll]

4090 > rent

[feral ferry]

House rent is like 70$ here

Gone up, used to be a lot lower usually, fuck inflation

[barren pewter]

here that won't even get you a one bedroom flat with a roommate
you'd need at least two roommates to stretch that much to cover on that money

✨ I hate it here ✨

[still spire]

My sister just got an apartment in a bad part of town. It has one bedroom, technically two, though the second one is much smaller, and it's 2000$ USD a month

2050$* to be exact

[barren pewter]

...bruh

that's a steal

[still spire]

Pathetic that it is

[barren pewter]

I'd be running over people to get a two bedroom flat for less than 3k

[still spire]

lol

[barren pewter]

[feral ferry]

3k is pretty insane for a flat

You can rent a luxury one here for 700

[still spire]

and his 3K flat probably has rats

[barren pewter]

...sigh

*their

[hot spire]

i pay $1000 for 20x20 house lol

[barren pewter]

and yes, rats

commonplace in units at that cost

or roaches

or gypsy families stealing your internet and electricity

it's like a bingo sheet of shitty situations
the worst part is that it's rare to not get a bingo

[hot spire]

ships bugged so it idnt add doors inside

so whole crew in the cocpit

[feral ferry]

Ngl I love beth for the little bugs like that

As long as the game is just being silly and a bit jank, but not gamebreaking, it's fun

[orchid prism]

https://wccftech.com/starfield-dlss-3-5-mod-now-available-on-pc-upscaling-outshines-native-resolution/

This is the DLSS guide I used btw.

Uses reshade?

[fiery zephyr]

Yeah saw that lol

[feral ferry]

Doesn't give you frame generation

But eh if you don't want FG, this actually works a lot better than the Nexus mod for DLSS, cause 3.5 has better DLSS performance than 2

[feral ferry]

Reshade is heavily recommended

Starfield uses colour filters again, seems they went with green this time around

Reshade removes that shit and brings vivid colours back, I really like this one https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/216

Then there are a lot of texture mods for performance, like https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/585?tab=posts and https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/510

[still spire]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5HK3jJW8AAYMAC?format=jpg&name=medium

[quiet vault]

damn

[still spire]

https://youtu.be/WUmaRU5o1ug

[feral ferry]

Ayy FOSE and SKSE equivalent is out https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/106?tab=posts&BH=0

https://sfse.silverlock.org/

Not really sure how these script extenders work

[orchid prism]

They inject into the game as DLLs.

Been a thing since... FO3?

[feral ferry]

I am very aware what they are used for

But just really not sure why virtually any meaningful mod requires script extenders

[orchid prism]

You asked how they work, I explained very briefly 😄

[feral ferry]

Yeah I wonder how the code inside is done

[orchid prism]

Triggers, more complex scripts and so on and so forth.

[feral ferry]

Although it seems it's hosted on github

Should be open code

Right this is complicated

[novel umbra]

I assume you just are not bound to the built in scripting language and engine?

[orchid prism]

Yes.

[feral ferry]

https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/588

Starfield HDR fix, for most part

[deft bloom]

bethesda small indie developer, unreasonable to expect working hdr (or sdr) on release

[quiet vault]

be happy u see something duh

[fading spade]

Starfield Deck updates

[orchid prism]

Imagine trying to run Starfield on a deck.

Portable minecraft furnace.

[fading spade]

Yep lol

[feral ferry]

Installed a bunch of performance mods, and they really do help

With the adverse effect of my game becoming Death Stranding

I guess some mods really didn't like being merged, might disappear upon cell reload

[tired knoll]

garbage aim

[orchid prism]

Note: There's a difference between discussing piracy and going "yeah so I pirated this game".

Know the difference, or you'll know the consequences 😄

[feral ferry]

Tbf even saying you did isn't really illegal?

[deft bloom]

consequences will never be the same

[feral ferry]

It's the action that's illegal, if proven

Flaunting isn't illegal

[orchid prism]

It is against TOS, and I will 100% enforce that with a heavy fist 😛

[fiery zephyr]

Ah okay sorry

[feral ferry]

I need to look that up cause that doesn't sound right

Discord ToS I assume

[orchid prism]

TOS, Server rules. You received the message. Follow it or don't.

[fiery zephyr]

Well now I know, never was my intention toe vade rules

[orchid prism]

It's fine. Vex is just trying to push boundaries as usual 😛

[tired knoll]

lmfao

true

[feral ferry]

Fuck off Mansen, I'm not pushing anything

[tired knoll]

woah

[orchid prism]

[fiery zephyr]

Pushing Mansens buttons

[feral ferry]

If you say something that doesn't sound right, I will ask you about it

Is it wrong to ask

[fiery zephyr]

No

[orchid prism]

yes

[feral ferry]

Not in Mansen's server

[fiery zephyr]

Honestly I prefer to ask everything

Be that one guy that questions every single thing

[feral ferry]

If you don't doubt everything, you ain't living

[deft bloom]

doubt it

[fiery zephyr]

[feral ferry]

Yeah Discord ToS it seems explicitly states that transmission, or making stolen files available, is what's illegal

Not really discussion

But if Mansen's ToS says you can't speak about it then so be it

[fiery zephyr]

Lol

Discord has that due to military doc leaks

[feral ferry]

Uh, no

If Discord hosts illegally distributed anything, they will get sued to hell

[fiery zephyr]

True

[novel umbra]

how many illegal copies of morbius do they hold though

[feral ferry]

At least 1

[still spire]

https://i.redd.it/8mikrqttlqt41.jpg

[feral ferry]

https://youtu.be/BKjkS9JyIwY

When mom says you have Final Fantasy XVI at home

[deft bloom]

flying man punching air the mobile game

[novel umbra]

why does it look so funny

[orchid prism]

And every - single - time Y'all have a discussion where someone admits to it, they start sharing links and other stuff which IS absolutely no no. So yeah. No 😛

[feral ferry]

Man how come a single guy can carry 130 units of mass

But a fuckin entire spaceship only 450

I NEED TO HOARD MORE

[deft bloom]

take it to the gym

[feral ferry]

Okay Starfield is 2023 GOTY

They actually figured out how ladders work

You can finally climb ladders

[small comet]

but

theres a lot of games with working ladders

like

[novel umbra]

I think it was a joke

[small comet]

minecraft

[orchid prism]

I haven't seen a single ladder I could climb yet. All doors.

[feral ferry]

Nah this one's ladders are more special

They.. work

Just work

[orchid prism]

[novel umbra]

island peril had ladders

that you swam up

[small comet]

video proof

[novel umbra]

what even was the first 3d game ladder

[small comet]

doom?

[novel umbra]

didn't have ladders

just steep staircases

[small comet]

ohhhh right

misremembered

[novel umbra]

dark forces maybe?

nope

also stairs only

[orchid prism]

Halflife 1 had them.

Jedi 2 maybe?

[novel umbra]

island peril was 96

and had "ladders"

which was pre hl1

[small comet]

maybe tombraider

no thats later isnt it

[orchid prism]

Don't think it had ladders in the first two games.

She just did "hop up and grab a ledge above"

[novel umbra]

ffs

if island peril wins the "first 3d game with ladders"

[novel umbra]

not even real 3d but whatever

[fringe salmon]

Mansen whenever we get wootbot back please add that people can’t just type a single letter or dot as their first message

[orchid prism]

[lucid brook]

.

[small comet]

yeah mansen add it to the bot

[orchid prism]

#C intro courses flash past eyes

[still spire]

Half-life Ladders are a death trap

A glorious deathtrap

[small comet]

c# but almost

[orchid prism]

Ah fuck.

[novel umbra]

island peril is a deathtrap

entire game is horrible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJKBM661tYw

oh no

💀

tekwar had ladders

also was earlier

[orchid prism]

#LadderLore

[novel umbra]

yea I think it might be system shock

[still spire]

Ahem

Mario had ladders

[novel umbra]

yes

I was talking about 3d games

because 2d ladders are easy

[still spire]

Lol

I legit remember hating half life ladders so much

[novel umbra]

understandably so

[still spire]

You could just be launched into outer fucking space like nothing

[novel umbra]

they are finnicky

and messing up is an instant kill

[feral ferry]

I wish I could, but my Radeon recording software decides that a 30 second clip is 105MB big

So not on Discord

But yes, after 25 years, they figured out how ladders work

[orchid prism]

👀

A ladder that isn't just a teleporting door. This is truly the brainchild of the Todd.

[feral ferry]

Maybe Creation Engine 2 wasn't so bad after all

[still spire]

Until you find out this is somehow, actually, Unreal Engine (3).

[nimble current]

they're not that bad

but yeah goldsrc is fairly janky in places

[feral ferry]

It feels like they have definitely been working on this game for years

Some people look a bit plastic

Others are pretty damn good in terms of lipsync and just expressions

[novel umbra]

duke nukem forever moment

[bleak pike]

Pre rendered

[feral ferry]

What's pre-rendered?

[bleak pike]

The picture

Nothing just works from Bethesda :p

[feral ferry]

Ah, thought it was your brain, thanks for the clarification :p

[bleak pike]

Need video proof :p

[feral ferry]

If Radeon wasn't annoying, I could tbf

But not sure why a 30 sec file is over 100 mb's

[fringe salmon]

quality settings

[feral ferry]

Yeah... I went to look

It's recording at 1440p 60FPS

[still spire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCnHn-mK278

[feral ferry]

"Starfield is the worst looking game"

Alright you already lost my interest just from that

It doesn't look bad at all, a lot of models look great

But certain textures are really bad quality

In general it does look appealing

[orchid prism]

Yeah I don't mind the look at all.

There's the colour grading - which I'm torn on. And some texture and animation work.

But it's not BAD

[feral ferry]

Reshade

[orchid prism]

I hope we get better colour grading that matches the FEEL of each planet.

A planet bathed in the red glow of a red sun needs to match that, not feel like you're walking around in a lush, green and blue landscape.

[feral ferry]

I am running a reshade preset, and low quality textures mod

It's.. fine

[bleak pike]

I mean tbh it does look pretty bad in a few areas

[orchid prism]

Such as?

[feral ferry]

This game really needs patches though

Performance patches, to be exact

I hope they launch one in 2 days, for the Starfield official launch

[bleak pike]

Water is baddddd

[orchid prism]

Haven't seen much water. Only a couple of springs in Atlantis?

[vital wyvern]

oh can someone answer me this though

is the writing decent

[feral ferry]

It looks fine?

[bleak pike]

Vegetation

[orchid prism]

No idea. I only just made it to the first post-tutorial location, where you have a chat with some explorer types.

[bleak pike]

Always been bad on Bethesda games

[orchid prism]

So far I haven't heard any bad, bad conversations in passing though.

[bleak pike]

Looks ass

[feral ferry]

Seems normal so far

Main story I heard is pretty good

[bleak pike]

Now fo into it

*go

[feral ferry]

Remember that I am running texture degrading mods, btw

[bleak pike]

I've seen clips

[feral ferry]

This tree is weird

I think one of my mods forgot to degrade the textures on the roots

Cause tree itself is pretty bad

Rock is pretty bad

But roots have a lot more texture

Did they model the roots separately and just copy pasted a tree skin on it?

[nimble current]

shores look pretty awful, other than that decent

[bleak pike]

Them rocks

[feral ferry]

Like, alright, it looks bad, but what function would they even serve if they had 4K textures

You'll never really stand next to one in normal gameplay to even notice the bad texture, and in distance it all blends in

[bleak pike]

It looks like a game from 2016, it's fine but like, performance doesn't make sense for a game that looks old in a lot of places

[feral ferry]

Game looks fine to me, I just need the performance fixed before I do anything to make textures look good

[bleak pike]

Lol

What's going on here

[orchid prism]

Is this with FSR/DLSS?

[feral ferry]

Yes I am using FSR

[orchid prism]

Would be fairest to compare apples to apples for screenshots then 😄

[feral ferry]

Like I did say

My game is modded with shit performance enhancing textures, a custom reshade, texture tweaks like 4x worse shadows, FSR, 90% resolution scale

And it looks fine even after that

Still runs bad but it's playable

Also most settings are on medium lol

[bleak pike]

I'm just glad it doesn't look as ass as fallout 4 did

[feral ferry]

But these don't matter much cause I custom tweaked the .ini files so, my setup is a lot worse than the settings menu allows you to make it look

[fading spade]

as ass as, that sentence gave me a stroke

[bleak pike]

Same

To this day idk how fallout 4 was acceptable to release

[orchid prism]

Let's see what I'm using... 110POV at 21:9 1440P
Everything is set to high except I disabled motion blur, and upscaling is set to 67% (Quality) and DLSS.

Can't feel stuttering on Atlantis.

[bleak pike]

I'll probably play the intro and not play again till patches

Like Jedi survivor 😅

[orchid prism]

Tutorial is all combat.

Not really representative.

[bleak pike]

Ok I usually mean like

The prologue

[still spire]

Garfield better be in Starfield

[feral ferry]

I wish I could disable all the texture degrading mods and play at 40-50FPS at least without FSR

Come on beth, just one good patch to start things off with

[bleak pike]

No such thing as a good patch with Bethesda

Did you not learn from F76

[feral ferry]

The game that launched in a really shit state but is now alright?

[bleak pike]

Took years

And isn't in a good state

[feral ferry]

Like, I know it's fun to hate Beth, but be reasonable and don't grasp at straws

FO76 runs fine, it's just the game design is not fun

[bleak pike]

But it looks so assssssssss so Id hope it runs fine

I genuinely despise Bethesda

[feral ferry]

oooh no, I found something I really dislike

"Activities" as far as I'm getting is basically sidequests

And you can only have one active at a time

I have multiple and want to keep all of em active in case I pass by, but you can only have 1 active at a time

[fading spade]

https://youtu.be/V6X2BHpeLww

[feral ferry]

Kind of impressed by the faces of people this time around

Hair is fucked cause of FSR but

They look actually like humans this time around

[hot spire]

The animations for faces is meh

[still spire]

YEah wow, that person almost looks human

Impressive for Bethesda

[bleak pike]

Again I don't get why you're impressed haha

[orchid prism]

Looks just fine?

So where the hell are these supposed kiosk interfaces where you can grab trading missions? Feel like I've visited every place on Neuvo Atlantisss

Ughh... found it tucked away in a corner in a BAR of all places.

[hot spire]

Bars

[feral ferry]

Haven't found that one

All kiosks are found either scam me from my pennies for food, or just act as sell vendors

[hot spire]

Every bar near a spaceport in the game has them?

[feral ferry]

Hm, haven't noticed

[orchid prism]

So uh... do you just not fly anywhere? I can set a port as a destination, but it won't appear on my hud at all. But I can fast travel there.

[quiet vault]

my Minecraft skin looks more human

[hot spire]

You have to fast travel between systems and for landings

You fly to things to dock though

[orchid prism]

So each planetoid is a local area?

Gotta fast travel between em?

[hot spire]

Yeah

You can't fly the ftl

[still spire]

Hopefully one day Bethesda will make a good game again

[hot spire]

The in universe lore is it's all computer controlled

[still spire]

[hot spire]

TBO the only thing I think is missing from game, is mining astroids

You can goto belts

And there are zero grav missions/locations

[feral ferry]

Did they release the new creation kit yet

Didnt see any news on that so I assume not

[orchid prism]

This game sure feels dead in space.

[feral ferry]

Hmm

Dead in space sure sounds negative

[orchid prism]

Nothing like a typical Bethesda game where you can go from A to B and explore. No no. Fast travel from A to B, B to C.

[feral ferry]

Is that really a major problem?

I spent 6 hours on the tutorial planet lol

Just moving from one structure to another

A lot of loot

[orchid prism]

I don't want to explore generated barren planets.

I want to explore SPACE.

It's called starfield, not planetside.

Thus far the most exciting thing I've seen in space was a party boat of drunk spacers who invited me to board. And promptly take all of their very expensive alcohol.

[feral ferry]

There are space encounters from what they showed

[orchid prism]

You won't encounter them unless you hang around in space artificially.

Normally you'd just keep warping on and on.

[unique bane]

ding ding ding, this here

stupid game

[orchid prism]

Dude! Chunks!

[hot spire]

takes a few months

[hot spire]

no you get them randomly flying around

[orchid prism]

Why would I ever fly around randomly? The game is literally pushing me to fast travel everywhere.

[hot spire]

getting to stations and stuff

[orchid prism]

Instant, instant, instant.

[static island]

you don't get random encounters by fast travelling at all?

[orchid prism]

It takes maybe 10 seconds to fly from where you're teleported to, to actually dock somewhere. If you're moving from A to B for a mission, you're in and out of every system before your can say RECHARGE GRAV DRI-

[wary dock]

Gonna try project zomboid today

looks like a really fun game to just immerse yourself in

[feral ferry]

Uhh

@orchid prism https://www.dexerto.com/starfield/starfield-pilot-proves-fast-travel-isnt-needed-after-7-hour-flight-to-pluto-2276939/

I heard that you can literally do this

But since your ship flies at like what, few hundred or so km/h at maximum, it'll take hours to travel

It is literally possible, the space isn't just a small map but a vast space

It's just that you are slow af

[small comet]

or there is some really intelligent loading

like mc chunks

just room-ized

[feral ferry]

Which makes it all the weirder they couldn't even figure out a landing mechanic

[small comet]

what engine does starfield use

creation?

[hot spire]

skyrim+++

well

morrowind++++

[small comet]

quake got it

[feral ferry]

https://vxtwitter.com/Psychobaker_24/status/1698644457803935969/

Ayo what

[hot spire]

?

now ork

yeah it literally tells you on the doors to cut the bolts

[feral ferry]

I did not know that you can actually do that

There was a tutorial on that?

Or just a visual clue

[hot spire]

not quake

[small comet]

gamebryo or smth

[hot spire]

yeah

though

after fo3/nv they renmaed to creation

[feral ferry]

I would never actually try to do it, same thing like an "emergency exit" door not being actually interactable

FO and Skyrim has virtually no interactable environments

[hot spire]

its a door though

its a fo76 thing

[feral ferry]

Didn't really play that much

[orchid prism]

Now THAT is interesting. This means we can mod it.

[hot spire]

you want to fly for 7 hours?

[orchid prism]

I want to be able to fly at high speed without loading screens.

If it isn't hardlocked, that means modders can work with it.

[hot spire]

i mean

you dont want this game then

its always going to have to load on planets

they are different maps

[orchid prism]

Speaking of poor design.

Walked past an abandoned factory, it had an emergency door with four clearly labeled pins to cut to open it.

Could I fucking open it? Nope. Just wall decor.

[orchid prism]

In space.

[hot spire]

cut the pins then

[orchid prism]

Couldn't

[hot spire]

ive found like 5 or 6 of them

[orchid prism]

Not with a fire axe or the ore cutter.