I mean we had a gas giant as a President, so it should be possible 😛
#🎮│game
still spire
orchid prism
I see I see.
novel umbra
also it would just be extremely dark on that surface
still spire
I need to land on this planet of raining diamonds
slim token
deep within the core
novel umbra
basically mariana trench ocean floor *100
still spire
So I can use DIamonsd to make a laser gun to fight off evil monkeys
novel umbra
I need to land on this planet of raining diamonds
neptune?
still spire
novel umbra
I have not played the game, but flying through a gas giant is VERY difficult to achieve
still spire
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jfgWw43Fcuw/maxresdefault.jpg Congo was a good movie and you can't change my mind
novel umbra
might as well build a near surface sun orbiter or something
novel umbra
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jfgWw43Fcuw/maxresdefault.jpg Congo was a good movie and ...
congo is a good game and you can't change my mind
"surface"
novel umbra
"surface"
cassini still was ~10 million kilometers from the surface
no wait
well hard to say how close it got
since it crashed into saturn
deft bloom
astrology
orchid prism
deft bloom
too late
deft bloom
Pronssi is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to
feral ferry
Pronssi is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to
Don't taint that quote with your disgraceful eminence
That quote is reserved for one person only
Sir Ian McKellen
deft bloom
on the internet no one knows you're Sir Ian McKellen
feral ferry
Ayo?
New Anno game leaked by germans
I wonder what the setting will be
Anno is just island hopping
So we can't go ancient
I hope they don't go hyperfuturistic
Anno 2020?
We haven't had an Anno that is proper current era
fringe salmon
That doesn’t have to be anno
fringe salmon
Just talks about something new from an existing IP, just because the ubi Düsseldorf location is mentioned doesn’t mean it has to be something they made there
Idk why you think it’s anno after linking another article that says nothing about what it is
novel umbra
doesn't even say anything about existing ip
fringe salmon
Existing IP is what I said to not translate the entire paragraph about Inhalt
Not super accurate but close enough
Also taxes funding games is nothing special, if anything germanys investment is super small in comparison
novel umbra
yea
was more sarcastical than anything
won't complain about games investment when I also pay for tatort movies 
fringe salmon
Ye was more at vex who asked that
fringe salmon
orchid prism
vapid lintel
Y'all remember No Man's Sky launch? Pepperidge farm remembers
lucid brook
nimble current
come on todd if scam citizen can do it in multiplayer ya'll should be able to in singleplayer ez
lucid brook
this video is too perfect
fiery zephyr
Starfield will ummmm, probably be like "Travel here loading screen" game. No travel like SC or NMS
nimble current
Starfield will ummmm, probably be like "Travel here loading screen" game. No tra...
that seems rather worryingly possible at this point
feral ferry
that seems rather worryingly possible at this point
It will be
And it'll be fine anyways
vapid lintel
It just works
trim rock
I'm sure modders will fix it x d
severe compass
Seeing that it's entirely possible that the tile generation is going to be a problem I can't help but remember that argument I had earlier today with Ion about waiting 24 hours after release to buy the game
fiery zephyr
that seems rather worryingly possible at this point
That seems very possible
And 99% whst we will get
No premade world distances, Also you won't be able to go too far from the ship
True
trim rock
I expected a game that would kill Star Citizen and obsolete it forever!!!
fiery zephyr
No it never will, also Star Citizen is preorder for a reason. ForeverPreorder
feral ferry
What's Star Citizen?
Some ponzi scheme?
Oh yeah did you see the news Aral
A guy that is an ex-employee at Robert's Space Industries has left a big post on how the company is heavily mismanaged
Apparently Squadron 42 has not been worked upon for years, there's nothing there 
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/163yyxh/prior_cig_employee_recently_released_something/ recently fired
Guy worked in marketing side of things, so finances
They have a lot of money, RSI and CIG
Yet how they spend it is appalling
Starfield will literally be modded into a Star Citizen clone before Star Citizen ever releases
nimble current
tbh I'd take such testamonies with a grain of salt since its coming from a place of pretty strong emotions and thoughts on the topic
but yeah cig being poorly managed isn't exactly news
severe compass
IRC Squadron 42 was massively delayed as they didn't actually license the Cry engine for it and got sued. I imagine since then it probably hasn't been touched
nimble current
the narrative for ages has been that they're so busy working on SQ42 that Star Citizen (the online part of the project) takes the backseat on development
but who the f even knows
imo what the game currently offers for the $45-75 or so you pay for a starter pack/ship is def worth it if you're interested in this type of game
severe compass
The narrative in 10 years time is going to be they spent all the money on executive BMWs
nimble current
but don't get suckered into pledging further
vapid lintel
Only game I'll preorder is CS2
feral ferry
Only game I'll preorder is CS2
Counter Strike 2 is free, son
orchid prism
vapid lintel
And worth every penny
small comet
so its worthless?
orchid prism
Eeeeeeey
trim rock
Yeah
feral ferry
They even made this little minigame called cities skylines II so when counter strike 2 gets pulled, they will pretend CS2 was always a city builder
nimble current
I've more or less given up on online pvp games
so much sweaty toxicity and tryhards everywhere these days
not to mention cheaters/hacking etc
trim rock
Yeah I'm sure that game generates some gamer moments
nimble current
I mostly play coop stuff these days
still spire
cold steel 2
severe compass
I played Pseudoregalia, and I want more of it. Just this teensy indie title
nimble current
I did not
feral ferry
@orchid prism
trim rock
Speak of the devil!
feral ferry
Ah, they got em quick
orchid prism
I literally saw it appear on my screen 😄
feral ferry
Don't fuck with Wooting server on a workday
orchid prism
nimble current
these bots need to up their game and plan their spamwaves when most mods are sleeping 
lucid brook
beep boop send random discord invite
feral ferry
I still didn't get a CS2 invite 😦
lucid brook
make your own cs2 in s&box
feral ferry
Sure
Only if S&Box wasn't so annoying to actually get
Have to go through some external service
nimble current
CS2 a roblox original tm
lucid brook
asset party is their hub for everything, you are able to share your creations to other people there etc
want a key? got 5 that i can give away
small comet
Have to go through some external service
no through their facepunch owned website
because its not released yet
trim rock
They just scared of logging into a third party website with their steam account
feral ferry
Why can't they just use the steam betas and closed access features
lucid brook
it's garry
feral ferry
Like, I don't really feel like having to visit some external site
small comet
because they reward people for contributing
feral ferry
It's Source 2 based, just bring the closed access to steam
lucid brook
it's on steam
small comet
the keys arent handed out through steam though
lucid brook
indeed
small comet
as they use their own system for determining who gets keys and how many
lucid brook
you can read their blog on why they do it like that
feral ferry
If you activate the keys, do you get the game forever?
I assume they want to monetize the title
small comet
yes
feral ferry
Giving out so many keys doesn't seem.. financially clever
trim rock
It's a developer preview, alpha, those are usually free
feral ferry
Yeah but will your access be revoked later with full release?
It would make sense to do so
trim rock
Far as I know actual pricing is still undecided
feral ferry
No
small comet
no s&box
feral ferry
Garry's Mod 2
orchid prism
OH
lucid brook
s$box
lucid brook
"gmod 2 but not really" game
small comet
also gmod2 wouldnt be a thing cause we were at gmod 11 last it had numbers
and gmod9 is still a thing for legacy owners
its not a game
just like gmod wasnt a game
its a sandbox
quite literal
trim rock
Yes, developer preview so a lot of the creations are just testing what it can do and such
small comet
actually a lot of stuff already works
small comet
Arma 3 is also a sandbox
has a story mode
lucid brook
you can read more here https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/S%26box
orchid prism
Took me far too long to get the name. Hah
small comet
yeah
but anyway its not a game and gmod wasnt either
it was a vehicle for games made as gamemodes
lucid brook
Took me far too long to get the name. Hah
good job mansen
small comet
i do like them rebuilding all the stuff from 0 and not in lua
deft bloom
sETbox
novel umbra
accurate
lucid brook
i remember this game running like shit on my pc
lucid brook
vermintide 2
feral ferry
Ah
hot spire
S&box is closed beta because the source 2 mod tools are finalized from valve yet
The team has been very open about that
trim rock
ha
orchid prism
small comet
i mean if theres no reviews saying how bad it is people will have to buy last minute if they want EA
vapid lintel
Everything I hear about Starfield solidifies the fact that I refuse to preorder it and that I don't trust Bethesda, or Todd Howard, to deliver what they promise
small comet
i mean its todd howard
still spire
It's also free on Gamepass so
hot spire
crappy console port vs shitty console port
fading spade
LOL
Cyberpunk is a console port??
nah I doubt that
most of the UI must use the joystick as a mouse
trim rock
That's just brain rot caused by Destiny, now all developers have to copy that mouse joystick nonsense
tough jay
If the game supports dpad controls in the menu that seems fine, besides that when playing on my deck I just get annoyed to the same problem as wooting is having more or less, a lot of games don't work with mixed mouse and controller inputs
Forcing me to use keyboard bindings everywhere, which are often a lot more keybindings that need to be mapped somewhere.
feral ferry
MKDEV crack team has published detailed instructions how to crack Denuvo DRM from games
I wonder what will be the ramifications of that
feral ferry
Ah so they did have a collab
Imagine Dragons is really damn boring though
Could have had a lot more interesting people make songs for the game
Damn really speaks how bad the song is when the most likeable part of the song is Inon Zur's piano orchestra segments
Why Imagine Dragons ffs
Task Coldplay with it, they'll make an amazing song
Literally just bias
Coldplay have a lot of amazing songs they have released, recently as well
But the old ones are especially great
Tf is a polyphia
Ngl out of the artists in my playlists
I can find maybe 1 to compose a space epic song
And that's M83
Who, tbf, make incredible soundtracks
M83 is like, ear orgasm territory with how amazing their songs sound
Meh
Do they even have a vocalist?
deft bloom
feral drum
well, i don't wanna say i told you so, but... I TOLD YA!
whoever backs them up has completely lost every connection to reality
Even a former programmer backed up that the CEO doesn't give a damn fuck and prefers to waste money on office furniture and art in the office rather than hiring more people
fringe salmon
big differences between a scam and under delivering/overcharging
hot spire
is SC a bad product by a bad company sure
it isnt a scam
they want to deliver what the promise
they just cant
i dont think its possible with todays tech to be fair
they want eve online size with crazy detail
i dont think its possible right now
nah
you dont relise the processing required on the server side
to sync that all
a modern sim takes full use a of a modern desktop cpu to do one persons worth
sycning in 100s of players dosent scale well
feral ferry
To what?
hot spire
60 hz sim for a dogfight would be shit
that isnt how modern games work
no
sim multiplayers games do everything server side
thats how you make it even
so everyones game updates at the same rate
if you dont have serverside sim then you can peak and such
feral ferry
https://streamable.com/d631hu Not great, typical creation shenanigans
hot spire
you dont remeber 360 era console p2p gameplay
feral ferry
Tbf there hardly is a better engine than Creation for a good open world RPG
An RPG that isn't in space
I have no clue why they decided to use this thing for a space exploration game
But TESVI at least will be rather incredible with all the photorealism, Starfield seems like a prototype of sorts
hot spire
you mean like cs go?
which is all serverside lol
thats how source engine works
which is why cs go going up to 128 hz was a big deal
hit scan is client
bullet sim guns are server side
hit scan are client because the are instant
cs go is all sim
bullets have to fly
derp yeah
i got it backwards
cs go is server side though
even 1.6 was server side
which is because quake was server side
lol
good games use server side
it takes way more cpu on the server
so bigger games lower the tick rate
warzone and apex are like 20 tps
which sucks
makes it feel crappy
128 player modes are 30 tps
fringe salmon
I mean most confirmations checks can only be done by doing the calculation to get there as well
unique bane
good games use server side
server side is ok for games that do not need low latency
hot spire
server side is ok for games that do not need low latency
whats why i said dogfights would suck at low tickrate though for SC type games
its why dog fights suck as in ED
they are p2p
its why eve has time dilation
eve is all serverside and just grinds down to 10% speed to keep ticks even
i love flying in ED
but i wont do pvp
feral ferry
Huh
Baldur's Gate 3 has somehow been ported to Mac
Interesting, I wonder what framerate it will run at, 5 or 10FPS
Probably 7
orchid prism
hot spire
it was annouced for mac same date as ps5
feral ferry
Oo, interesting stats
hot spire
the store page says mac because EA was on mac
fringe salmon
thats not what these graphs really show though
hot spire
because expansions take different teams than new games
fringe salmon
dev teams spans across multiple jobs and if you for example have a larger concept art team that would show as more people even if the project is smaller
feral ferry
Yeah I don't see how that would really be a big factor here
fringe salmon
I'm saying you cant see a priority from these graphs
feral ferry
Polaris is the first title in the new Witcher Trilogy, interesting that they are allocating far more resources there than other projects
fringe salmon
except that isn't necessarily the case
feral ferry
I fail to see any other cases?
It's past the research phase, so active development
Programmers, artists, modelers, etc spring into action
fringe salmon
that still includes concept art and all that, the amount of people working on year long projects at a few snapshots is really not indicative of what priority it has
hot spire
Programmers, artists, modelers, etc spring into action
ea was on apple silicon
feral ferry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7-tpPXV9WQ
Tenno finally got an AK-47
I had to catch up with the lore and
They have done a really good job to establish the universe
I can't be bothered to return to the grind, but the lore seems like they have done a masterful job at
feral drum
ok, since some people said i should give NFS Unbound i tried and refunded it after an hour
feral drum
these comic graphics are just pure pain, the story's a cringe gender shit show and there's no real goal to go for
like beating Razor or Darius i.e.
thing is that most of the Blackbox staff responsible for games like Underground 2 and Most Wanted 2005 back then left EA and made their own thing with Ubisoft, naming themself Ivory Tower. And honestly? The Crew was well made
Not an absolute banger, but it was definitely worth playing, while Crew 2 sucked ass
trim rock
Hell yeah Gordon Freeman's Car Adventures in Carmurica
feral drum
Trackmania with a story lol
k, nvm, seems more like Hotwheels combined with Burn Out
well, definitely looks like a modernized take on Burn Out
still, i wish someone would create something like NFS: World again, but with the tuning depth of Underground 2 and Forza combined, Cops that chase you and a good story
hot spire
still, i wish someone would create something like NFS: World again, but with the...
nfsu2 remake is king
feral drum
the world of U2 is too small for my taste tho
back when it launched it was definitely big, agree, but nowadays it's too small
fading spade
Are 8BitDo the only controller brand that has their software on phone also?
feral drum
EULA in a nutshell: You don't own shit
no need to watch a video to know that an EULA basically is more against the user than with the user
99.99% of all EULAs for games are like: Yeah, you can create an Account, but it's something we just borrow you, you don't own your account. Oh and don't expect anything from us
it didn't offend me
it just feels unnecessary
i got banned once in a game for "cheating", despite the fact that i've never cheated. Didn't use any 3rd party program, glitch or bug. So i've studied the EULA of it to find a loophole and was able to recover the account thanks to that. Literally 2 hours later they've updated the EULA and banned me again
static island
thats tough
feral drum
never touched that game again and they've lost quite a lot of people because of that ban. Many people knew me and they knew i was one of the big whales
severe compass
What game was it?
unreal vault
Which game
fading spade
Wait
Nintendo patented removable controllers on handhelds????
How is the Lenovo Legion Go getting away with it?
Are they paying Nintendo?
severe compass
Often times a company will file patents not to control the technology, but to try to beat patent trolls before they release a product. Nintendo DOES have a filing for removable controllers, but Nintendo is likely aware if they tried going after Lenovo for it, they wouldn't actually gain anything
severe compass
For example, another company called GameVice had a patent on removable controllers for a tablet, and sued Nintendo for the switch's design. The result was that Gamevice had some of their patents invalidated
https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/13/21177309/nintendo-switch-patent-gamevice-win
So Gamevice not only lost a lot of money trying to attack Nintendo, not only lost the lawsuit, but also lost 2/3 patents they held which would've hurt the company's valuation
rancid hearth
They lost because their device bridges the 2 controllers together
severe compass
And because 2 of the three patents in the claim were "unpatentable" and therefore were invalidated. It's possible that Lenovo could defend itself by pointing out removable controllers had existed well before the Switch, and that it was therefore unfair for Nintendo to claim the idea as their own if Nintendo tried to sue them
Patent trolls are a big problem in the tech industry, and they flood patent offices with any ideas they can. Basically a shotgun approach to patents with no plan to actually try to use any of them. One of the big things patent trolls rely on is the hope that some they'll get patent rights on things they have no right to patenting as the patent office would be so overwhelmed they would let through a lot by mistake.
From their the patent trolls start suing any company with vaguely similar products to their patents. In the past these patent trolls operated out of a small town in Texas where they had a pretty strong grip over the judges, which lead to a really bizzare environment where big tech companies were sinking a lot of money into maintaining a friendly presence in the town (there's a video around of a Samsung outdoor ice rink right outside the courthouse at the height of summer)
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/technology/2017/05/23/how-patent-suits-shaped-a-small-east-texas-town-before-supreme-court-s-ruling/
fading spade
...the font be fucked up
hot spire
xd
barren pewter
just beat saints row 2022
and...
holy shit how did the INTRO to any other SR game have more player choice than the entire campaign
severe compass
From what I had seen didn't SR2022 just have dogwater writing? Like for a game series that relied on humour it was just trying way too hard to "what's up my fellow kids?"
lucid brook
tired knoll
https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/30/23852652/call-of-duty-activision-modulate-tox...
not scary at all
deft bloom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPwqwJixmmg nooooo just get this thing back
tired knoll
that first couple of sentences lol
deft bloom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2zfTI5kz34 didn't know the painter played cs
runic thunder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2zfTI5kz34 didn't know the painter played cs
I miss halftime trash talk 😦
bleak pike
Didn't cod have what in one game
Also had the ability to listen in with a perk during matches
orchid prism
Sounds vaguely MW2.
lucid brook
there's proximity voice chat in the current cod
feral ferry
small comet
fuck yeah
orchid prism
At least it's not a sequel.
still spire
runic thunder
Well it's late, 6 years late 😉
novel umbra
remember when they said they couldn't compete with gamepass?
still spire
sudden prawn
Some random person benchmarked with a 3800x and 2080ti at 1440p high for about 45-60 fps
quiet vault
good performance with old hardware
orchid prism
Considering what Skyrim took? EHHHH
sudden prawn
Considering what Skyrim took? EHHHH
But skyrim is also over a decade old....
orchid prism
Compared to hardware AT THE TIME.
Skyrim was never a difficult game to run with decent performance.
worn saddle
anyone else lagging from wooting?
quiet vault
no
orchid prism
anyone else lagging from wooting?
...lagging? You're going to have to be a wee bit more specific there, bud.
feral drum
5800x3d/2080
uh... the 5800X3D is a significant performance lift compared to the 3800X
up to 30% in some games
but on avg. about 20% more
So yeah, you won't see a CPU bottleneck
sudden prawn
uh... the 5800X3D is a significant performance lift compared to the 3800X
I was saying that I'm hoping the person was experiencing cpu bottleneck during the leaked benchmark
Such that I will hopfully see better fps than them
feral drum
very likely. Zen 2 was good, but Zen 3 was way to good
sudden prawn
But I dun wanna spend moneh
feral drum
they're cheap as hell nowadays on the used market
unique bane
Im debating selling my 5800x to buy 5800x3d kekw
feral drum
Im debating selling my 5800x to buy 5800x3d kekw
depends. What clocks are you running your 5800X at?
sudden prawn
they're cheap as hell nowadays on the used market
Probably get a 7800xt anyway
unique bane
I wouldnt buy 6800xt when 7800xt is launching in couple days with antilag+ and some other stuffs.
DP 2.1 too
sudden prawn
Unless they start selling 7900xt at 699 again
feral drum
uhmmm... As far as i can tell the 7800XT will barely be better than its predecessor
unique bane
Unless they start selling 7900xt at 699 again
wud have to upgrade 660w psu
sudden prawn
7800xt should be lower power consumption?
unique bane
uhmmm... As far as i can tell the 7800XT will barely be better than its predeces...
it is, using much less w, av1, antilag+, dp 2.1, etc.
sudden prawn
wud have to upgrade 660w psu
Oof, I luckily have a nice 750w corsair
Rm750x 2018 version
Rm1000e is probably the best value psu to buy atm if you need an upgrade
feral ferry
quiet vault
lol
orchid prism
https://twitter.com/larianstudios/status/1697266279957049491
There's game devs, and then there's Larian.
They barely announced plans for this... and it's here two days later 😄
orchid prism
I did. It's in the tweet in plain sight.
Bish.,
https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/1713?tab=description
In other news - Modders are already trying to fix cut and incomplete content.
orchid prism
I...I think the embargo lifted. YT is flooded with Starfield videos and streams.
sudden prawn
bleak pike
@orchid prism so like, how much sex is in balders gate
sudden prawn
Yes
orchid prism
I keep starting over, so I've seen... one scene.
bleak pike
Ok so now I want it
hot spire
one of your compaions was a rich ladys sex slave for 400 years
and only left because it got boring
sudden prawn
Still no benchmark review of starfield yet
hot spire
reviews are out?
sudden prawn
Yes embargo just lifted
fringe salmon
at least its not locked at 30 on pc too
static island
Damn
fringe salmon
not enough cat in it for ign
sudden prawn
Oof 7/10 ign is basically 1/10
hot spire
Oof 7/10 ign is basically 1/10
"It’s never a great sign when someone recommends a game on the grounds that it gets good after more than a dozen hours"
bleak pike
Seems to run like shit
sudden prawn
Welp at least I'm trying it free on game pass
bleak pike
On PC with fsr
fringe salmon
no suprise there
hot spire
"slow rollout of essential abilities"
fringe salmon
if console cant even be 30fps all the time
hot spire
that all sounds goodf
the worst part of gameplay in fo4 was you got everything cool in the first 30 min
fringe salmon
no fov slider but motion blur can be turned off at least
hot spire
and the biggest complaint ign as about sf is its slow
hot spire
"Those first 90 hours I played were far from perfect, but I've got plenty of reasons to play 90 more."
180 hours of engaging gameplay is 75/100?
sudden prawn
What's pcgamers usual rating distribution
hot spire
they gave d4 85/100
small comet
"Those first 90 hours I played were far from perfect, but I've got plenty of rea...
they never said engaging though
hot spire
plenty of reason to put ANOTHER 90 hours in a game dosent mean engaging to you?
lol they have star rail a 90
sudden prawn
hot spire
kuru kuru > space skyrim
sudden prawn
they gave d4 85/100
Hmm, D4 was petty fun initially but not much replay value for casuals
fringe salmon
man so many people complaining about lack of upscaling when it seems the game is cpu bound
hot spire
https://youtu.be/LlStOHRI56o?si=3hUO2eVxCxpO5QeN
lcoked solid to 30 isnt terrible
better than studder at 60
hot spire
what do you think the amout of people running a 4k vvr on xbox
fading spade
your juices are so tasty, buddy
Rendog - Drinking milk he just milked in Minecraft
fringe salmon
idk and I dont care, it's a feature of the console and adding a toggle to cap it at 60 isntead or whatever isn't hard to add
hot spire
average console player never changes option in games though
fringe salmon
ok still not hard or much work to add and there are people that would prefer more frames
hell I prefer the performance mode in FF16 on ps5 even though that lowers the quality as well
give the series X a series S preset that allows for more
feral ferry
fringe salmon
30fps lock should not be a thing for anything anymore
feral ferry
ACG who usually is pretty honest with his opinions
Seems to dig it
But yeah I agree with the consensus, it should have been a lot more seamless
But that's just cause they used Creation Engine for a fuckin Space RPG
If this was Elder Scrolls 6 it would be game of the decade
sudden prawn
Minimal bugs is the most surprising thing
feral ferry
Why use an engine that can't do proper procedural generation and seamless transitions for a space game??
Well, the game pretty much released as expected
Engine is main issue
Doesn't really matter to be fair, considering Elder Scrolls 6 is the next main game, and that's where this engine will shine
hot spire
es6 with miltiple contiants instead of planets
feral ferry
Scrolls 6 is highly unlikely to deal with more than 2 or 3 countries which will be essentially same as Oblivion or Skyrim
I would be surprised if Bethesda even decide to include transportation like naval stuff
Eh, for the amount of negative titles, it sure has a good rating
fringe salmon
so, appears the game seems fine, early content people seem split upon, performance is a meme
feral ferry
The game was always going to be fine, and I did tell you it was not going to have bugs
bleak pike
Eh, for the amount of negative titles, it sure has a good rating
In denial
It's sad about perf
feral ferry
Again, I was being realistic with the game, I am mostly annoyed that they went with Creation Engine for this type of game
fringe salmon
3080 struggling at 1080p to run 30 while not being cpu limited seems a joke
bleak pike
3080 struggling at 1080p to run 30 while not being cpu limited seems a joke
With fsr
trim rock
The price you pay for 16 times the detail
feral ferry
Why not continue to work on Creation 2 and have a side project like New Vegas remake or Fallout 3 Remake as a demonstrator until you finally properly use it with Elder Scrolls 6, and for Starfield they pick a game engine that can properly handle space exploration, like Unreal
sudden prawn
3080 struggling at 1080p to run 30 while not being cpu limited seems a joke
Where are you seeing this?
fringe salmon
fringe salmon
99% gpu load 30fps lol
sudden prawn
vital wyvern
omegalul and from the shots it doesn't even look nice
feral ferry
omegalul and from the shots it doesn't even look nice
Nah it does look nice, that's the whole point of it
bleak pike
5800x x.x
feral ferry
They went full photogrammetry
vital wyvern
I wasn't interested to begin with but seeing this I'll just write it off to "buy when it's 3€"
bleak pike
Bethesda has always been bad with vegetation
When there was some anyway
feral ferry
I have no clue why the assholes made the data so blurry
feral ferry
Seems that game is meant to use FSR2 just for passable framerate
bleak pike
What a meme
fringe salmon
if they can fix the performance I might try the game at some point
sudden prawn
I have no clue why the assholes made the data so blurry
2080 is close to a 3060ti, not too bad if I got med setting
bleak pike
My friend will probably ignore my concerns and keep his pre ordered deluxe edition and moan about perf 
feral ferry
I wonder what the hell did they do to make modern GPUs struggle
So, VRAM wise even 8GB is alright
bleak pike
Not putr effort into it
fringe salmon
given the consoles are locked at 30 and drop, lots of issues I bet 
feral ferry
What did they do to make performance so damn bad
bleak pike
As with all games lately
fringe salmon
As with all games lately
not all
trim rock
Running worse than Star Citizen omegalul?
feral ferry
I swear if the answer is in photogrammetry, I'll be annoyed
feral ferry
I'm pretty sure cause it's their first time using actual real-world scanned textures and models
fringe salmon
Ok all games that matter
also false
feral ferry
They are hella unoptimized and full of vectors that shouldn't be there
bleak pike
Running worse than Star Citizen omegalul?
Star citizen doesn't run terrible these days?
bleak pike
also false
Ok games that look pretty
fringe salmon
Ok games that look pretty
also false
trim rock
If you have a monster CPU and decent GPU it runs great
fringe salmon
I'm pretty sure cause it's their first time using actual real-world scanned text...
photogrammetry is how you capture it, if you dont make the polycount normal afterwards that isnt on the capturing
bleak pike
Inb4 some game made by a single dude that lasts 2 hours
fringe salmon
FF16
fringe salmon
lies of p has been running amazingly
trim rock
That's a lie
feral ferry
I feel like the benchmarks might need revisiting, cause day 1 patch is going to bring performance improvements, not to mention that AMD driver brings 11% extra perf just with a new driver
fringe salmon
baldurs gate seemed to run fine from what I saw
bleak pike
I heard it's rough to run
feral ferry
BG3 is fine
A bit unoptimized but it runs on my mid-end system
Tbf I heard horrible things about Armored Core and running it on Ultra, it runs like butter
So, mostly low-end hardware gamers are crying
fringe salmon
AC was a fromsoftware game and they didnt cap it to 60 this time that was a surprise
feral ferry
Ah, sorry
bleak pike
Abysmal
feral ferry
Oh lol the IGN Starfield review is a sham
Apparently that specific reviewer gave Prey a 4
Prey, like, that was a really good game
sudden prawn
Lol
trim rock
7/10 too much space?
bleak pike
It's IGN
hot spire
bleak pike
You don't ever take them serious
bleak pike
Looks like I'm not playing
sudden prawn
It's 4k
small comet
insanely bad fps
trim rock
Well at least there's no 60 FPS cap
bleak pike
I only care for 1440p
hot spire
wait
trim rock
Turns out rendering at a lower resolution really helps
hot spire
why is the fsr chart
bleak pike
It's gonna look like a blurry mess
hot spire
have a diff average for ultra than the gpu charty
bleak pike
I remember running it on my 7700k/1070ti pretty well
bleak pike
Jesus
hot spire
yeah
hot spire
gpu chart is no fsr
on the gpu chart no fsr for 3080 is 40.5
on the fsr chart no fsr ultra is 38.8
bleak pike
Good old Bethesda
feral ferry
bleak pike
Finally less buggy but abysmal perf
small comet
I don't feel like just hating americans for no reason but
profile pic says enough
feral ferry
Like, it's an american thing innit
feral ferry
profile pic says enough
Yeah kind of speaks about why that rating perhaps isn't really representative of the game
sudden prawn
Shame, my 5800x3d won't be the bottleneck
small comet
Yeah kind of speaks about why that rating perhaps isn't really representative of...
idk i can somewhat trust the overall rating number
bleak pike
Shit like this does make me want a 5800x3d tho
feral ferry
So, I'm now starting to question the framerate
bleak pike
Still waiting for it to go down
feral ferry
If a 3060Ti can barely to above 40FPS at 1080p
I have a feeling something doesn't sit right here
trim rock
Xbox SeS equivalent maybe
fringe salmon
well they dont say what they expect you to run the game at with the min specs
feral ferry
Maybe they just need to recompile the shaders or something
small comet
i feel like starfield will be a like it but cant love it game
bleak pike
Mhmm
small comet
itll just be fallout in space
sudden prawn
7800x3d dropped in price recently
bleak pike
Waiting for 250
Finding it hard to justify going from a 5600x
It's very low on my list
feral ferry
Maybe day 1 patch will have major performance improvements
Shouldn't day 1 patch be coming out like right now anyways, with early access?
hot spire
hot spire
Early access isn't out yet
8pm est
feral ferry
In 7 hours
hot spire
120 houirs to 100%
small comet
I saw someone clocked 150 and were nowhere near done
doesnt this depend on how much side tracked they get
i can spend 150hrs doing fuck all in skyrim
feral ferry
Well yeah Beth does use radiant quests which is basically redoable quests (go, kill, return)
It's good to know that Todd will probably go on from being known for being a liar and making glitched up and bugged games
To Todd who makes unplayable games cause performance sucks
Either way, an improvement
fringe salmon
also performance is less likely something that modders can fix
so idk if I call it an improvement
feral ferry
also performance is less likely something that modders can fix <:dogekek:1134256...
Uhh, they can I'm rather sure
But, they will try anyways
bleak pike
Very unappealing
fringe salmon
I said less likely because fixing performance if its general issue and not just some code that doesnt start the quest in order is a lot harder
especially without source code access
feral ferry
I said less likely because fixing performance if its general issue and not just ...
Like, thinking about it, does this game even use LODs?
I think that's where the perf went
Somewhere they forgot to optimize for the sake of visuals
Modders can easily tweak that
fringe salmon
what is it with people just randomly throwing out words and think thats where the performance issue is from
you mention LODs another guy on another server is fanatical about cube maps causing issues
trim rock
Armchair gamedevs who have heard those fancy words and like to throw them around
bleak pike
pure bear
what is it with people just randomly throwing out words and think thats where th...
I once saw a post on reddit that claimed pokemon S&V looked like shit because the game has to generate unique pokemons in the background.
fringe salmon
idk creation engine but unity unreal and co have auto lod features since forever
pure bear
funniest shit I ever read
fringe salmon
lmfao
trim rock
Pretty sure it has had some kind of LOD system forever, else the distant land rendering would never work
fringe salmon
always reminds me about the audiophiles that convinced themselves a different version of memcpy() was making sound better
bleak pike
pure bear
always reminds me about the audiophiles that convinced themselves a different ve...
I mean the keyboard hobby has this too
pure bear
people do 500 mods on their keyboard and the sound is totally better guys
especially the baby powder inside the USB housing
small comet
Well boys and girls lets hope starfield is good and yall enjoy it
pure bear
because it's metric
feral ferry
Is empress you?
I would love to be just for the skills and money
Not the psycho shit though
hot spire
xd
sudden prawn
because it's metric <:mm:638142954841833512>
Cuz nato
pure bear
the real joke is that the emoji is called mm
sudden prawn
sudden prawn
pure bear
ok I stop shitposting now
feral ferry
Wdym
"CD Projekt's move from RedEngine - its own in-house development platform - to the widely-used Unreal Engine, was the core factor here"
Why can't you just do 2 expansions?
RedEngine isn't expiring or anything
pure bear
10mm is wildly more powerful than 9mm
Or caliber, where smaller is more. Unless you are talking naval artillery, where it's something different entirely
hot spire
what was the message before that
sudden prawn
Or caliber, where smaller is more. Unless you are talking naval artillery, where...
Wdym smaller is more? Maybe for shotgun shots
pure bear
Wdym smaller is more? Maybe for shotgun shots
shit like this
hot spire
cailber is the LENGTH
pure bear
oh yeah the inverse one was gauge
hot spire
bore is the size inside
sudden prawn
Yeah
feral ferry
cailber is the LENGTH
It's the thicc though
sudden prawn
Shotgun shots are in gauges
hot spire
yeah for big guns
feral ferry
Ah we talking something else
hot spire
cannons where bore x lengh/bore
hot spire
where length/bore was cailber
feral ferry
Man.. they sure are excited
hot spire
which there revese naming replaced bore somehow
idk why
like a canon would be 12inch 8 cailber
hot spire
12 inch bore and 12x8 long
feral ferry
I don't remember a bethesda game that isn't FO76 where that is even feasible
feral ferry
its like that in most es games lol
Uh, no
Elder Scrolls caps out at 150 I think
Similar with Fallout 4
fading spade
.....wat
hot spire
so add all the skill levels
feral ferry
Watch the vid we discussed it here years ago
feral ferry
Lol Starfield apparently has NG+
hot spire
so level 252 was max
hot spire
256, I looked it up
no that actuall max is crazy like 25k
feral ferry
Skyrim is level capped?
hot spire
my bad
feral ferry
You can always use commands
hot spire
65k
FFFF
but there are a total of 251 perks in skyrim
so level 252 gives you all perks
feral ferry
Not all
Very few do
Most have also level caps
I think there was a video ages ago that looked at enemies that have unlimited level scaling
And I remember only one lol
No level cap whatsoever
Which is funny cause magic anomalies were used only once
For a single quest
And never again
hot spire
in morriwind you can tech level for ever
same in obivion too
why you all not link sources
quaint smelt
hot spire
omg
one of my fave small timer youtubers got a copy lol
wow
i thought tk was small to get a copy
borderlands 3 on switch
bleak pike
https://twitter.com/Borderlands/status/1697217677008269810
I'm still trying to buy https://www.thewhiskyexchange.com/p/64944/ballantines-finest-moxxis-bar-edition-borderlands
Rarely ever in stock 
fringe salmon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6YSr25Z_hc you dont actually land on plants but can only do travell???????
bleak pike
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6YSr25Z_hc you dont actually land on plants but...
That's so disappointing
Yet we have no man's sky
Absolutely awesome way of doing it
hot spire
I'm still trying to buy https://www.thewhiskyexchange.com/p/64944/ballantines-fi...
its not good
and its a crappy srinkwrap label
pretty disapointing
bleak pike
I just like the bottle
hot spire
yeah its a shitty plastic srinkwrap
bleak pike
yeah its a shitty plastic srinkwrap
Oh really
feral ferry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6YSr25Z_hc you dont actually land on plants but...
Well, we knew that you can not land on planets yourself
However other players reported traveling by themselves in space between planets
Interesting that this person seems to say that you can't
fringe salmon
wow so you can travel in an empty area and never land
bleak pike
My friend doesn't seem at all phased
fringe salmon
did expect you can at least land xd
bleak pike
If I had the pre order deluxe id be cancelling rn....
feral ferry
did expect you can at least land xd
Tbf, they might be able to
If that spaceship moves at 150 mph..
That looks like several ten of thousands of miles until that planet's surface
I hope it's not just an illusion, need more information on this
bleak pike
No man's sky did it well
feral ferry
No man's sky did it well
And they are wildly different games
bleak pike
Well I think the issue is you can't even get close to planets
feral ferry
One's a sandbox thing, other is an RPG
bleak pike
For a prompt lol
fringe salmon
yeah I didnt follow the game I just kind of expected that to be in since that seemed to be a basic feature lol
if it was known before then people who ordered collectors probably were aware
and thats fine
bleak pike
And the fact planets are sectioned into pieces is lame
fringe salmon
think its just a bit disappointing
feral ferry
Again, I pretty much set my expectations straight with Starfield, I knew it will be bugless, it'll have tons of quests, and it'll be fun to cruise around for a bit with ships, shoot baddies and everything
Shortcomings were also evident
Creation Engine is horrible for this type of job
I have no clue why they used this
bleak pike
Because money
feral ferry
Use it for a remake of sorts if you want to test it out, not Starfield
Unreal would have been a lot better of a choice for Starfield
bleak pike
The only desirable thing for me was the vast system and exploiting it
But it's just another loading screen sim
unique bane
think its just a bit disappointing
super disappointing, not really a space game then
;_;
feral ferry
Btw, peeps that had gaming PCs before the year of 2018
Because that's roughly when I got a proper gaming PC
Was game optimizations and being able to run games a consideration back in the mid to early 2010s?
trim rock
Yes
feral ferry
Obviously it was, but were there outliers were something comes out and it's horrendously bad
hot spire
yes
fringe salmon
just look at techpowerup or other sites reviews and see for yourselves
hot spire
massivly
stuff moved faster then
so getting stuff to run on old hardware was a ton more than lower lod and textures
unique bane
Obviously it was, but were there outliers were something comes out and it's horr...
lol everything ran mostly horribly
high fps gaming is quite new
but talking here about 2000-2010
hot spire
hot spire
2011 was skyrim
feral ferry
2011 was skyrim
Well considering my shitty ass APU ran that at about 30FPS, that seemed easy to run?
fringe salmon
it had to run on ps3
feral ferry
I'm just wondering with this whole Starfield being not able to run at 60FPS with most hardware
Was that a common occurence between 2000-2015 game releases
unique bane
I'm just wondering with this whole Starfield being not able to run at 60FPS with...
dude ur game would explode back then if u tried on highest setting
bleak pike
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSGLgHzSly4
Less gameplay, more sex pls
unique bane
then u needed to put lowest setting
feral ferry
obivion took basicly super computers to get 60 fps at a good res at launch
Lol, was this sort of a Vista thing, where they had to notify people that "You can actually run Vista with this CPU", but on GPU side
bleak pike
I don't remember Skyrim being abysmal to run
hot spire
38 fps with max settings
trim rock
Although Oblivion did scale down pretty well graphically
feral ferry
I don't recognize any of that hardware, hm
hot spire
Although Oblivion did scale down pretty well graphically
yeah it did
bleak pike
When it came out me and my friends were laughing how ugly ultra was
hot spire
it ran on potatos with low
trim rock
Back then many games had high settings that just wasn't feasible on hardware at the time
hot spire
whgats crazy
unique bane
feral ferry
Crossfire and SLI ❤️
hot spire
and the 9600 was mid range
high end in 2008
single card went from 38 to 60
so not terrible
but shows how demanding it was
unique bane
crysis medium gfx XD
hot spire
my 2008 build workstation has a pair of 4K msrp quadros from 2008
and it struggles to play obivion at 2560x1600
unique bane
but yeah it feels like hardware has outpaced software ages ago
feral ferry
Oh yeah funny thing with Starfield
Arc users are absolutely shafted
Prolly won't be able to play at 1080p at all
No XeSS either
trim rock
FSR ultra performance, go!
grizzled bramble
Starfield looks boring from that Alanah video
orchid prism
And they say XCOM math is rough.
hot spire
lol
fringe salmon
for the love of god, what the fuck are you talking about
feral ferry
I have changed my mind, if I ever had any mind, about DLSS3
RTX 4060 mobile with DLSS3 on in Hogwarts Legacy feels like just free frames
fading spade
Elephant Power up is so cursed xd
feral ferry
I thought it would introduce weird artifacts and input lag but
It felt pretty damn normal
fringe salmon
it does introduce input lag though
feral ferry
If it did, it's not noticeable
fringe salmon
just if you have high enough fps to start with its not that noticeable
feral ferry
Yeah I think it ran at about 40-50 or so without frame gen
With frame gen it's still pretty good
fringe salmon
high enough is more like 100
feral ferry
Again just my experience
fringe salmon
if you dont notice the input lag idk, be lcuky I guess
feral ferry
Yeah hogwarts is pretty slow paced
Could help with not noticing
But yeah rather impressive
FSR3 can't come soon enough
sudden prawn
feral ferry
Starfield is an interesting study
Looks great, runs like shit, people complain
Tears of the kingdom: looks shit, runs like shit, people love it
Even though I found it really boring tbf, even from gameplay perspective
fringe salmon
difference between running bad ona switch vs running bad on a top of the line pc
feral ferry
difference between running bad ona switch vs running bad on a top of the line p...
Yeah but still, difference between platforms
Switch peeps somehow are just contempt with being shafted
PC users very much not so
That latest Pokemon game is still just a horrendous example of how bad Switch's hardware is
And people bought it, record breakingly so
fringe salmon
a switch costs like 250, a 3080 alone costs over thrice that
and that card has same or less frames than a pokemon game
see the issue?
feral ferry
see the issue?
Still, the difference between the reception of games that run terrible on both platforms is still different
fringe salmon
yes because the expectation is vastly different
feral ferry
yes because the expectation is vastly different
Tbf I think the expectation in general should be properly functioning games
Not 10FPS dips
feral ferry
Gaijin absolutely smashes trailers lol https://youtu.be/fJrT2vP-mpQ
hot spire
Gaijin absolutely smashes trailers lol https://youtu.be/fJrT2vP-mpQ
nah
this is the best wt trailer ever made
hot spire