Not even counting heist money itself
#🎮│game
young hill
summer of 2020
That is fine
Honestly I stopped because too much toxic people
Even a buddy went on the dark side
barren pewter
I remember just joining random heists and heist setups I got invited to for fun
young hill
And someomr else I thought I trusted
barren pewter
one thing that always bothered me was...
the fact everyone scrambles to join a heist
won't even consider doing setups
and then demands 25%
ignoring that the host puts up 10% up front
young hill
I remember just joining random heists and heist setups I got invited to for fun
I did that in the beginning than I started to get money and ended with just giving out more so long as people behaved competent i even would give them nearly the full.chunk if they would practice the security and prove it
young hill
and then demands 25%
ignoring that the host puts up 10% up front
Yeah
I think they stopped being a thing so much lately
barren pewter
honestly, whenever someone tried that, I just told em they'd get the default cut
more often than not they'd quit
and if they stayed, often the reason we went to the loading screen for a restart
young hill
I handed out 80-85%(low levels) lately and to those that went by word 50%
Cuz really I could make that money back anyways and i still made something anywho time wasting quite often anyways like you said people quit
And people doing dumb stuff
Like they are braindead
Anyways also hella toxic people on there
One battered me on their hosted heist for driving a car that had a punctured tire
Because the cops did so
It was absolute stupid and then months later I meet up with them and they got there mk2
And tryhard tactics
I wreck them bad with the most op car in the game that they end up leaving in the end
Pretty sure they had cheats to find me too
But anyways, speaking of I have trolled griefing script.kiddies as well
Beauty of the orbital Cannon is needs a dead target
So often, these people chill after a while and then can be bombarded by a refundable shot
One time I humiliated one with a shot that they left god mode
750k gone but them too off the lobby
fringe salmon
likely not if it has drops on pc even 
fading spade
it doesnt have any dips really
from my playthrough
its pretty damn optimised for an open world game
though, its like Skyrim in a way, when you go to a new area, you need to load it when you go through a town gate or whatever
fading spade
Its insane how well Borderlands 2 runs on the Deck
I can even heavily limit TDP and GPU clock and it maintains 60
I cant figure out what button I press to trick off ramps and jumps in Mariokart Wii
cause on the Wii, you flick the controller in a certain direction but cant really do that on the Deck cause I cant figure out how to enable motion controls with the Deck's gyro
fringe salmon
yeah its over a decade
fading spade
im just saying cause maxed out on my computer it cant maintain 60FPS in some areas
but so far it maintained 60 on mix of med and low on Deck
bleak magnet
cause on the Wii, you flick the controller in a certain direction but cant reall...
i think on the wii you could also press the b button on the back to trick
but im not sure
barren pewter
i think on the wii you could also press the b button on the back to trick
not that I recall
could test it in a bit
I recall B just being for drift and tiny hops
bleak magnet
yes and iirc you also trick when on a ramp etc
fading spade
tricking isnt activated by hopping, sadly
small comet
its not worth cause its kinda shit anyway
fading spade
irrc it does nopt work on deck anyway
it does
my ping to mineplex is 3786ms ..
wtf
barren pewter
NFS Nitro
novel umbra
Unbound is heat with a better handling model
And better cop mechanics
Now you can actually have good chases
You liked shift
You mean you prefer sims
Which is totally fine
You just aren't the target group for nfs
That being said, giving you the option between drift and grip and still not buffing drift enough after it was a problem in the last game is funny
orchid prism
Yeah Need for Speed has always been arcade af.
No I mean since the first game in the franchise.
small comet
i personally think the new nfs unbound thing is just
too anime
like i was ok with nfs before this title
novel umbra
Understandable
small comet
i dont mind arcade racers if they are done in some belueveable way but wings so your car flies?
slim token
more of a hot wheels velocity x guy myself
small comet
how about we all agree meow motors is the best racer
fading spade
:')
fading spade
how about we all agree meow motors is the best racer
this game looks actually cute af
novel umbra
how about we all agree meow motors is the best racer
Sonic robo blast kart 
ashen lark
That’s one death every 15 seconds
fading spade
Sounds about right....
fading spade
I love how microsoft made a game controller with motion controls six years before Sony made one for Playstation and never made one with that feature since then ....
fading spade
you cant use Kinect to help you aim in FPS games... xd
small comet
ya but you can use kinect for the cheapest full body vr tracking
fading spade
yep!
small comet
also fps aim and motion tracking dont add up in my brain
its like the gyro controls on steamdeck
fading spade
hmm
I only enable it when im aiming down the sights of a gun
its off the rest of the time
hot spire
ya but you can use kinect for the cheapest full body vr tracking
No ps eye is cheaper kol
Pingpong ball+led in coin cell+ps eye
fading spade
Pu Li Ru La is a strange strange clusterfuck of a game
young hill
ya but you can use kinect for the cheapest full body vr tracking
Honestly it is not that great
It is medicocre for that
Vive trackers are better
primal ledge
Just a heads up for anyone that plays gta online on pc
https://twitter.com/TezFunz2/status/1616535689503600640
avoid gta online on pc with a 10 foot pole.
atomic herald
waah
orchid prism
avoid gta online on pc with a 10 foot pole.
So nothing new there 😄
bleak pike
@fading spade just saw someone with a steam deck on the train 
fading spade
bleak pike
<a:blobdance:485173417511878678>
I said "Nice Deck" and laughed a little
fading spade
Did they hear? :')
orchid prism
T...touch decks
bleak pike
To far ha
fading spade
But just the tip of the joysticks
bleak pike
But I was tempted to say something along the lines
orchid prism
https://youtu.be/EptCN53vJ48?t=86
Gotta appreciate commentary outside of a native tongue. 😄
stable roost
Hogwarts legacy 20 days
nimble current
will the dementors be replaced with trans activists? 
trim rock
If not, modders will do it
stable roost
Wtf?
small comet
and here i thought id learn nothing today
i googled trans activists and learned something
stable roost
Pre-ordered deluxe edition! So stoked!
And IDGAF about trans activists
Counting down!
Any case, I don't think there will be dementors. Maybe there will and the devs don't wanna spoil it
We haven't heard anything about dementors
fringe salmon
kickstart sure, preorder I dont see issues with
now that you have easy refund options
small comet
u still get hurt feelings usually cause it didnt meet expectations
wheat kraken
I'm gonna buy it for a friend of mine. I'll probably just ahem it later on
trim rock
First and only game I kickstarted is Star Citizen.
No regrets!
orchid prism
barren pewter
And IDGAF about trans activists
understandable
they don't really have a place in the harry potter universe's media
same as you wouldn't expect some absurd american from alabama coal-rolling britbongs in london with a monstrous diesel pickup
wheat kraken
First and only game I kickstarted is Star Citizen.
No regrets!
Doncha mean no regerts
barren pewter
bought that game early access
absolutely ZERO REGERTS
also I like they added some of my favourite weapons from "Brain Damaged"
wheat kraken
My friend is all excited since she gets to play 3 days early due to the deluxe edition
barren pewter
that's not a reason to be excited
I got access to the fallout 76 "break it early test" or whatever
didn't need to do any work when I started
it was already done so much worse than I could have ever done
wheat kraken
She's excited because she's been waiting for a while to play it and being able to play it a little earlier means the wait is less. Not because it's a pretest or anything
trim rock
Don't really like that kind of early access, just means the real release date is actually a bit earlier but if you're a poor peasant you get it later because fuck you
wheat kraken
Yip
young hill
Exploding kittens is good though
hot spire
I don't think I've ever had a bad Kickstarter for digital goods yet.
Bannerlord 2 is the only one that's close
hot spire
just ban everyone with lots of money, so you miss a lot of hackers and get lots of normies
barren pewter
https://youtu.be/T4suANqWzc8
they really do not give any shits unless it influences their bottom line in a negative manner
of course, if they had a few brain cells to put together
they're realise this is HORRIBLE NEWS and now a lot of players will be pretty skittish about joining their online servers on PC and as such paying for microtransactions
fading spade
They don't care as long as they get that shark card money
grizzled bramble
Forspoken requirements 👨💻
trim rock
What even is that game all I know is that people are excited because ooh DIRECTSTORAGE
mortal linden
That dialogue ruined any hype the game could have had LMAO
It sounds like tumblr users speaking
Yeah and the game hype died that exact moment
There’s no way it’s not gonna flop with all that backlash
Yeah I don’t think anyone is gonna play that 💀
atomic herald
it's like ps2 wwe graphics screams boooring
severe compass
eugh
Marvel type writing was good when it was one movie, but when every Mahvel moovy does it it becomes predictable and distracting, like a fly buzzing around your head whilst you are trying to enjoy an ice-cream, it eventually lands right in there. Ruining the appetite
small comet
i havent even heard of forspoken
novel umbra
I have only because I watch every stupid geoff keighley show
fringe salmon
yeah I think I probably know it from there too
small comet
i know it from here
novel umbra
but damn that animation looks bad
fringe salmon
looks fine to me, if there is no issue apearing on launch I'll probably buy it and give it a shot
novel umbra
also not sure why people blame marvel 
fringe salmon
because the dialog reminds them of it? idk thought that clip was fine
no masterpiece but no rick and morty level either
novel umbra
if it was marvel it would be more stupid jokes
recently watched the newest thor movie with a friend
and it was just painful to watch because EVERY scene needed some stupid joke
fringe salmon
I guess the mocap does remind of the mocap marvel games did recently
novel umbra
maybe ig
the mocap is not the problem though
btw when and why has this "movie game" trend started
I would just blame sony but idk
fringe salmon
dont think forspoken is a movie game sorta thing
just cutscenes that are like this
small comet
btw when and why has this "movie game" trend started <:seentoomuch:6449752311817...
the lego games obviously
such accurate movie adaptations
novel umbra
dont think forspoken is a movie game sorta thing
tbh not sure what it is trying to do
from all I can tell it could be another movie game with soft rpg mechanics
fringe salmon
kinda looks like it yea
I'm just hoping it will be ok, there is a big lack of good magic games imo
novel umbra
I'm just hoping it will be ok, there is a big lack of good magic games imo
fringe salmon
heh fair
I do still have some things in my backlog that are good and I'm looking forward to ff16 in the summer
so this I only want to be fine as a filler for the time
novel umbra
not regretting finally starting with p5r
fringe salmon
oh thats a good one
novel umbra
so far, absolutely
small comet
I'm just hoping it will be ok, there is a big lack of good magic games imo
this is why i pray for hogwarts to be ok
fringe salmon
good point
small comet
no probably just highly optimized for the hardware
so like the nintendo consoles
where the entire ecosystem is fully build in symbiosis
fading spade
If the game takes advantage of ALL the Deck input methods, then it cant be played on other controllers to begin with without some jank controller mapping and whatnot
small comet
and the switch just showed how good nintendo is
fading spade
You can technically play Aperture Desk Job without a Steam Deck, but you are missing out on the back buttons and gyro and the touchscreen
so you have to use the mouse to pretend its a touchscreen for a while
idk what you do on controller
maybe use a thumbstick
small comet
If the game takes advantage of ALL the Deck input methods, then it cant be playe...
no its more like what they did with the deck and aperture desk job
a device and game made for each other
i hope you realize that quote is like 4 or 5yrs old
fringe salmon
didn't someone here recently post a video about how mouse/keyboard inputs limit design and tried to dismiss that as stupid and now aperture desk is already used as an example 😛
fading spade
Yeah, you are meant to play it on Deck but they try to make it work on other controllers that dont have the same inputs as Deck
They also said they had to cut features out of Half Life Alyx that would have used the Valve Index controller features but since other VR controllers do not share the same features, they had to remove them from the game
small comet
kb and mouse has limits but also advantages sometimes
its heavily based on use case really
fading spade
there are plently of games superior on kb&m
small comet
and plenty that arent
hot spire
More like Alex and index controllers
fading spade
I want to know what features they had to remove from that game now ;-;
features onto the Index controllers could use
fading spade
In the dev commentary for the game they said they had to cut features
features that other VR controllers couldnt make use of
fringe salmon
probably just as much as they had to cut from the index not being the product they first wanted to make
since the index is basically the result of vader having to be cut down to be a realistic product
fringe salmon
indeed
hot spire
Yeah I was saying more like they designed the controllers and game so they could add what ever they wanted
fading spade
I hope they do that for the Deck
Have a game flagship to the Deck and using all its controller inputs and whatnot
Like Desk Job but not a short tech demo
fringe salmon
hopefully not before a better deck revision is out
fading spade
We wont get a more powerful Deck for another few years it seems
Maybe another revision but not extra power
novel umbra
well at least they officially stated that it is a consideration to make an upgraded unit
unlike a certain other company
fading spade
yeah, but not more powerful
fringe salmon
heh yea
fading spade
they want to make better battery and screen
novel umbra
deck oled model certainly won't be what people want
fading spade
There are already people saying that the Deck is not powerful enough anymore :/
novel umbra
eh
fringe salmon
but would be a shame to have yet another cool title have to suffer from weak hardware
fading spade
yeah, AAA is not great on it, mostly battery life
fallow bronze
graveyardkeeper is great on it though 😉
fading spade
YOU CAME
orchid prism
Rollcage being horny on main I see.
fading spade
xd
orchid prism
On PS1? Sure.
fading spade
I haven't
orchid prism
wat?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5_YsGMYjAk
That ain't no stinking prequel. It's a completely different genre of racing 😄
orchid prism
I again fail to see the resemblance. Pure is an ATV offroad dirt racer. Split Second is "So we're shooting a Hollywood action movie, and you're a stunt man" 😄
No gameplay relation - Developers can make more than one kind of game.
fading spade
Oooo
I have played that
That games controls suck .-.
You have to press specific button and thumbstick combinations to do tricks
orchid prism
You have to press specific button and thumbstick combinations to do tricks
So like any Snowboard game of the era 😄
fading spade
A + X + left on the right stick + down on the left stick and that Ford a specific trick etc etc
Never heard of it
Wait....these are the people behind Split Second....
Hell
Split Second is my favorite racing game ☺️💜
And it lives on with my Steam Deck....runs like a charm on that thing
Split Second
GRIP
Mariokart
They are all combat racing games
THAT'S SO STRANGE TO THINK ABOUT XDD
orchid prism
Guess you just really like combat racers 😄
Wipeout, Crash Bandicoot's kart racer etcetera.
fading spade
I really love Distance too
But it's not a combat racer
fading spade
Guess you just really like combat racers 😄
I don't like GRIP that much
I can't get used to how it controls
No...but I played that modern game based on it
Forgot it's name though
Yeh it does
Oooo
I reminded myself
I need to install the 60fps patch on Split Second
Found one that claims to not break the power plays
I'll have to download the game on my desktop and patch it there because I can't use noobpatcher on deck
Ass
Booty
Xd
nah I dislike those cars
trim rock
But don't you just love all them live services all the content all the FOMO gotta play it all erry day to not miss out!
atomic herald
fading spade
simple wraith
@flat frost where’d you get that
stable roost
Language @fading spade
fading spade
Yep
He's aware of this
sudden prawn
Oh man I remember this game, except it was called dark cloud 2 in the states
think I still have it
mint sequoia
ehlo
fading spade
y
can
not
resize
riot
launcher
window???????
fringe salmon
because you are supposed to launch the game not use the launcher as a game
think most launcher I still use are around the same size so they probably all cant be resized
never tried it tbh
fading spade
got to use the launcher to get the game ;-;
fringe salmon
yea but like, dont launchers usually start, you start the game and then the launcher isnt in the focus or closed?
orchid prism
I'm just glad we're done with browser based matchmaking. Remember when EA was all over that shit for Battlefield and such?
fringe salmon
minimize it?
hot spire
fading spade
:')
small comet
I'm just glad we're done with browser based matchmaking. Remember when EA was al...
im glad ffxiv launcher isnt ie10 based anymore
fading spade
..... Yeah but I'm stupid
You know this
I could enable secure boot
I'm not dual booting in desktop anymore until I get an AMD card
severe compass
What's the issue with having secure boot enabled? It breaks something?
fading spade
Most Linux distros need it off so that they can boot
severe compass
Weird, I would've thought since Linux is used in advanced shit like exascale computing, it would've already had secure boot added across all distros.
I know it ain't the same thing, but It's like hearing a street legal supercar can break the sound barrier, but hasn't added bluetooth, usb, or even aux for its stereo because they havn't got passed the tape drive
fading spade
Maybe all server distros have it
But not all desktop distros do
narrow epoch
Weird, I would've thought since Linux is used in advanced shit like exascale com...
It's open source, therefore not trusted 😂
fading spade
?
narrow epoch
?
I believe that's the point of secure boot, right? It only loads trusted operating systems, it would not be secure if it was loading an open source operating system
fringe salmon
Yes and signed stuff that works are Ubuntu arch and others so for many desktop versions it can work just fine
narrow epoch
It's because I have Secure Boot disabled .-.
Also for Valorant if you want to run windows 11 you must have secure boot enabled
Otherwise just run Windows 10 without secure boot
fading spade
I believe that's the point of secure boot, right? It only loads trusted operatin...
Open source is more secure cause people can see the code and warn people if something is dodgy looking
fringe salmon
Nah win11 works without TPM and without secure boot
fading spade
Once installed
narrow epoch
Open source is more secure cause people can see the code and warn people if some...
Yes but a motherboard can't scan the entire operating system 😅
That would just mean it would take so long to turn on your PC every time
narrow epoch
Nah win11 works without TPM and without secure boot
Windows 11 does yes, but Valorant doesn't
I think that's his issue
Valorant + Win 11 = You must have TPM and Secure boot enabled
fringe salmon
no you need that with win10 for valorant too
narrow epoch
No, you don't
fringe salmon
when did they change that
orchid prism
narrow epoch
Win 10 never required secure boot or TPM
fringe salmon
I know but the valorant AC is supposed to require that
narrow epoch
People have been bypassing tpm and secure boot to install windows 11 then they can't play Valorant
fringe salmon
yeah but on win10
win10 doesnt need it but the valorant AC itself is supposedly needing that to be on regardless I thought
narrow epoch
I'm on Win 10 right now without secure boot and I play Valorant daily 😅
Vanguard only asks for Secure Boot when Win 11 is installed
fringe salmon
that is odd but alright, if it works it works xD
yeah then just use win10 or get around fixing whatever breaks your linux installs
orchid prism
Arbitrary rules to the rescue and all that 😄
nimble current
first time I hear of a game requiring hardware-level secure boot to run
fringe salmon
since we went over it and other people run the same dual boot with secure boot just fine xD
gray forge
first time I hear of a game requiring hardware-level secure boot to run
vals anticheat is crazy
narrow epoch
first time I hear of a game requiring hardware-level secure boot to run
Vanguard is um.... yeah
orchid prism
first time I hear of a game requiring hardware-level secure boot to run
They're just trying to force standards - for no benefit whatsoever.
narrow epoch
Let's not go into Vanguard 😂
gray forge
vanguard scans things it probably should not
narrow epoch
Indeed
Vanguard is pretty much the only anti cheat of it's kind 😅
Some could say it's like the TikTok chinese government watching you 😂
gray forge
and people still find a way to cheat on val
narrow epoch
Yeah they do for sure but they are usually caught quite quick
A few games maybe, probably 10 max
gray forge
A few games maybe, probably 10 max
yeah thats true
novel umbra
literally only game that I am aware of where you can't really cheat is path of exile
not an fps though
narrow epoch
You can cheat in every game I'm sure, it's whether you get caught or not
And a lot of FPS games have bad anti cheats
novel umbra
no like
at most you can bot in that game
but the client is basically just a fancy irc client
the server just doesn't trust any input you do
fringe salmon
it's more about you can cheat but it differs how relevant it is
novel umbra
not possible like that with fps though
fringe salmon
in any fps any cheat that aims will always be a impactful cheat
novel umbra
ye
and no real way around it
you can set up VMs so they are undetectable as a VM
at that point you can basically do anything
narrow epoch
Hence why Vanguard is the way it is, it's basically scanning your computer from the time you start it up
novel umbra
it still isn't perfect
but there literally is no way to be perfect
on current hardware
narrow epoch
Definitely not
gray forge
Hence why Vanguard is the way it is, it's basically scanning your computer from ...
have you ever checked how much val takes up in storage when someone reports you and it scans pc
fringe salmon
yeah, I dont like it, it probably isn't needed the way it is done, but I fully anticipate at some point it is needed to be that deep
narrow epoch
have you ever checked how much val takes up in storage when someone reports you ...
2TB?
😂
fringe salmon
and also in any competitive game I rather just not deal with cheaters
narrow epoch
Yeah more of a visual glitch than anything I think
gray forge
yeah 100%
narrow epoch
and also in any competitive game I rather just not deal with cheaters
It's kinda impossible though, people are the way they are
gray forge
idk if i can find the ss but one time my friends said it was taking up 20tb
narrow epoch
And hackers want to make money selling their cheats
nimble current
hackers will pretty much always be one or two steps ahead whatever countermeasure put in place
narrow epoch
Yeah they just make new cheat, cheat gets detected, make new cheat, etc, etc,
fringe salmon
yeah for sure, but it will still catch up and at least get people eventually
narrow epoch
But I'm sure Vanguard is probably the best anti cheat, of course not 100% perfect but it's definitely higher than the say 5% of easy anti cheat in games like Apex
novel umbra
hackers will pretty much always be one or two steps ahead whatever countermeasur...
there is literally no way around it
like even if it was just something like stadia
nimble current
making it as complicated as possible at least makes fewer people bother going through the hassle and risks
fringe salmon
not really, since the hassle for the cheat user is usually the same
novel umbra
oh yea absolutely
novel umbra
not really, since the hassle for the cheat user is usually the same
not true
fringe salmon
and just means cheat creator has more incentive since they can charge more
narrow epoch
Most games like COD, Apex, BF, those mainstream games that just don't care they can be hacked with software cheats
Things like CSGO or Valorant require hardware cheats
novel umbra
no
gray forge
Most games like COD, Apex, BF, those mainstream games that just don't care they ...
didnt cod try to do smth on this new game
fringe salmon
Things like CSGO or Valorant require hardware cheats
god I wish that was true
gray forge
yeah val def does not require hardware cheats
narrow epoch
I mean the software will probably be detected very quickly 😅
fringe salmon
yeah and the games are free 2 play
novel umbra
hardware cheats are basically not a thing
fringe salmon
so use a new account and nobody cares if it gets hit
gray forge
so use a new account and nobody cares if it gets hit
val does an interesting thing to counter that kind of
narrow epoch
hardware cheats are basically not a thing
Hardware cheats is like linking your mouse up to a piece of hardware that runs the aimbot
novel umbra
Hardware cheats is like linking your mouse up to a piece of hardware that runs t...
yes
like I said
basically not a thing
why would you do that
gray forge
val hwid bans
narrow epoch
val hwid bans
It's pretty normal
fringe salmon
hwid bans just make it hard for the usual cheater idiot to change that
gray forge
yeah it alteast stops some people from doing it again
fringe salmon
yea
novel umbra
yea also causes that some people get a ban from buying a used HDD
narrow epoch
They are trying their best to stop cheaters but it will never happen fully 😂
gray forge
people will always find a way to cheat in fps games
narrow epoch
Although tbh I would much rather Riot watch me undress or whatever I do privately if it caught another cheater 😅
I'm honestly one of those who doesn't care about privacy when it comes to a piece of software I want to use
Like will I care if Riot has my card details? No, they already have it for skins 😂
What else can they take from me?
It's like how people refuse to download TikTok because it does this or that.... like I don't even use TikTok but I don't care if the chinese government is watching me through it 😂 What are they gonna do?
A lot of people are the same with Valorant, they will refuse to play it because of Vanguard
small comet
idk i thought it was meh
trim rock
Oh boy just a few more hours and then we can hear how great it is for OOOH DIRECTSTORAGE
orchid prism
The dialogue is fine - She's an american teenager isekaised to a universe with a talking bracelet, magic and god knows what else.
The delivery is obviously not stellar, but that's more of a "could have used more voice training and coaching" than "dialogue bad, terrible script, people don't talk like this"
fallow bronze
that game is already so hated it is silly
simple wraith
It's like how people refuse to download TikTok because it does this or that.... ...
I refuse to download TikTok because I don’t want to burn hours of my day getting sucked into the matrix
narrow epoch
I refuse to download TikTok because I don’t want to burn hours of my day getting...
Fair 😂
simple wraith
And privacy is a weird thing, I prefer to prevent the random Russian moron scammer from being able to hack into my email and shit…. But I know that if a resourceful person wants my info, they’ll have it no matter what
narrow epoch
Yeah, you have more things to worry about than huge corporations having your info 😂
fading spade
Yes
Huge corps sellng your info to the highest bidder that will use it for malicious purposes
narrow epoch
😅
For the most part the info is used for things like fintech and martech
Malicious is a bit OTT 😂
fading spade
No, but they can sell it to others who could
narrow epoch
No one cares about you are your PC, there are billions 😅
simple wraith
Yeah I would care
narrow epoch
You are the one who needs to click the link for something to happen in 99.9999% of malicious cases
simple wraith
But I’d also have high level security and what not
Normal people DO NOT MATTER
Neither does our data
fading spade
eh, mostly accurate
simple wraith
Entirely
narrow epoch
Ads is only fintech and martech
simple wraith
Yeah that’s advertisements
narrow epoch
Those things are good
simple wraith
Wanna know the last time I saw an ad and thought “hmm lemme buy that right now”
narrow epoch
It allows for things to be free that otherwise wouldn't be
simple wraith
Never
narrow epoch
I'm all for martech
simple wraith
I’d prefer to see ads for pc parts and cars than tampons and kitty litter
We chillin
narrow epoch
😅
narrow epoch
Wait you don't have a cat? You horrible person
fading spade
I want a cat so badly ;-;
but I cant keep one currently
I dont see much due to adguard DNS
fading spade
nuu.. I want an indoor cat so I can cuddle it :D
simple wraith
They are reallly independent
narrow epoch
There's no need to be protective over ads but it's your personal preference so it's all good
fading spade
its trackers in the ads im more worried about, tracking my browser activity and shit
narrow epoch
nuu.. I want an indoor cat so I can cuddle it :D
My cat was wild, he came to me with a missing paw
He still goes outside to hunt now and then
simple wraith
its trackers in the ads im more worried about, tracking my browser activity and ...
Are you looking up drugs or midget porn?
narrow epoch
But it took a long time for him to be comfortable inside
narrow epoch
You've got nothing to be worried about
The tracking info they use is used for statistics
For MarTech
It's not intrusive, you're literally a number
Just another statistic
fading spade
a long string of characters xd
narrow epoch
They don't care if you're watching midget porn
narrow epoch
😅 That was ripper xD
narrow epoch
But like the whole MarTech industry is cool, maybe look into getting a job in it one day
It pays good
fading spade
im trying to get any job currently, the one I hace is pure shit .-.
fading spade
NUGGETS
mmm yummy chicken nuggies
Why does my phone speaker sound better than my laptop's two upwards facing speakers?
well, technically my phone has two speakers, but one of them is the phone speaker at the top
simple wraith
Why does my phone speaker sound better than my laptop's two upwards facing speak...
I’d bet your phone costs more than your laptop
simple wraith
I mean laptop speakers are notoriously shit but so are phone speakers 🤣
fading spade
Apparently macbook laptop speakers are really good
I havent heard them but id like to
fallow bronze
they are, and have been for quite a long while
barren pewter
Apparently macbook laptop speakers are really good
Yes they really are
trim rock
https://www.4a-games.com.mt/4a-dna/studio-update-exodus-sdk
Ooooh MExodus mods!
novel umbra
orchid prism
Forspoken is EIGHTY BUCKS? Haha fuck that.
orchid prism
<:OMEGALUL:744669965457555616>
Again... she is from OUR WORLD, IN ANOTHER WORLD. Referring to leveling up is entirely on script and appropriate. Jesus people are looking hard for things to complain about 😄
She's from New York!
novel umbra
doesn't make it better
sudden prawn
Wait so it's basically an isekai video game?
novel umbra
yes
sudden prawn
orchid prism
Wait so it's basically an isekai video game?
Yes.
Forspoken follows the journey of Frey, a young New Yorker transported to the beautiful and cruel land of Athia. In search of a way home, Frey must use her newfound magical abilities to traverse sprawling landscapes and battle monstrous creatures.
Not exactly a unique idea - It's been done many times on TV, in games and whatnot.
fringe salmon
the game has issue but people are just looking at everything to make fun of it becuase idk, guess games need to be masterpiece or shit, cant have something inbetween that only some people like
novel umbra
the cutscenes just make me really uncomfortable
vapid lintel
80 bucks for a video game LOL
It had damn well better be a masterpiece with nigh endless replayability for that kind of pricing
fringe salmon
games have to cost more but starting the price increase with a not amazing game certainly makes it a hard sell lol
novel umbra
AAA does not need to cost more imo
fringe salmon
we've had that discussion some weeks ago so I'm not going to repeat it but short answer is even if you reduce the massive boni that EA directors or so get, I still think devs get underpaid then
novel umbra
does the higher price actually result in more money for devs
fringe salmon
just like with gpu/cpu chips, we are currently not at a phase anymore where cost to produce goes down
you need more and more people to make the games people expect and all that
novel umbra
does the higher price actually result in more money for devs
we also still get games with (sometimes multiple) season passes and day one dlc
vapid lintel
just like with gpu/cpu chips, we are currently not at a phase anymore where cost...
Nvidia runs >50% profit margin on most of their products
novel umbra
and AAA specifically either is a flop either way or makes so much money that they could just pay devs more
fringe salmon
I'm not saying nvidia prices make sense
novel umbra
Nvidia runs >50% profit margin on most of their products
- chip production prices just got really high because multiple factors stacked
fringe salmon
I'm saying they have a cost incrase for BoM, it's just they make the margin insanely higher and not just higher by the real amount
fringe salmon
but base line is that covid aside, demand aside, the raw cost is not going down for that because nodes are slowing down in progress and need more advanced stuff to be made
orchid prism
does the higher price actually result in more money for devs
It's Squeenix so I highly doubt actual developers get any money more than regular wages.
fringe salmon
but thats another topic, that was just for comparison
novel umbra
It's Squeenix so I highly doubt actual developers get any money more than regula...
good studio
I am still baffled that the quiet man got released
vapid lintel
you need more and more people to make the games people expect and all that
Not sure if this is really true... Consistently my favorite, most played, and most enjoyed games are from dev teams of ten or fewer people
fringe salmon
yes not for indie games, but for something where people expect massive things like the hogwarts game, the upcoming avatar game etc.
now with FF16 in the summer I think square will have a much better title to justify the higher price no doubt
novel umbra
the market also gets larger and larger
so the potential profit rises regardless of the cost of a single unit
fringe salmon
not really in the same amount, if you look at ps5 sales they are doing good but its not like we suddenly have 50% more ps5 users they could sell to
vapid lintel
I think that AAA studios have been getting "it" wrong with incredible consistency for a solid decade now
novel umbra
not really in the same amount, if you look at ps5 sales they are doing good but ...
don't make your game exclusive to a plattform to a console that didn't do too well in your most important market then
fringe salmon
that was just an example since console market is easier to see as a gamer target than total pc sales
orchid prism
At least they're offering a demo for Forspoken. I can't remember the last time a developer did that.
vapid lintel
I think devs should focus a hell of a lot more on "fun" mechanics and far less on on checking boxes
novel umbra
like I would not be surprised if FFVI doesn't top weekly sales charts in japan because of a big ring fit adventure restock or something
vapid lintel
Maybe if they didn't feel like they needed to check all those silly boxes, their development costs would go down considerably
fringe salmon
uh sure but that wasnt my point
vapid lintel
Yea I'm mostly just having my own conversation next to what y'all are discussing xD
novel umbra
uh sure but that wasnt my point
yes, but my example for square enix doing werid choices
fringe salmon
I didnt mean to say its justified because ps5 market isnt going bigger, I used that to show if that market isnt growing as hard, pc gaming also isn't going 50% gigher
vapid lintel
The gaming market is more than plenty big enough to drive tens or hundreds of millions in sales revenue for a top performer
fringe salmon
ps5 also isn't outselling ps4
novel umbra
ps5 also isn't outselling ps4
chicken and egg problem
vapid lintel
chicken and egg problem
Diminishing returns problem 😉
fringe salmon
¯_(ツ)_/¯ I think stuff costs more and that is without factoring in inflation adjustments so a price increase sound logical to me, we wont really get super accurate numbers so it'll be hard to say who is correct
novel umbra
if they waited with the FFVII remake to make it PS5 exclusive they might have fared better
costs of AAA games are not directly related to development costs though
if you break it down per unit an AAA game would be several times cheaper than an indie game
vapid lintel
Doesn't much matter to me who is "correct," I'm just not going to pay 80 bucks for what is probably (without looking into it at all) a mediocre game
fringe salmon
that is fair, hence why I think it was a big mistake to launch this at a higher price and not start doing that with FF16
narrow epoch
Wait you guys pay full price for games? 😅 Have you not found cd key sites yet?
Like Harry Potter is already $20 off
Hogwarts whatever
novel umbra
Wait you guys pay full price for games? 😅 Have you not found cd key sites yet?
I'd like to actually support devs when it isn't bs
fringe salmon
no because I like to pay money to the people who do work and not abuse fraudulent key scammers
narrow epoch
I'd like to actually support devs when it isn't bs
Still supporting the devs buying a key
vapid lintel
I would consider giving it the time of day enough to think about the possibility of maybe potentially at some point getting the idea of contemplating paying 40 bucks for a game like it
orchid prism
Still supporting the devs buying a key
Uhh.. no. Grey market keys don't give developers any money 😄
Also there's not going to be "half off" keys for a game like this until it actually goes on sale for that a year from now or more.
narrow epoch
Eh, debateable
vapid lintel
Also there's not going to be "half off" keys for a game like this until it actua...
*six months, tops
novel umbra
Still supporting the devs buying a key
realistically you give more money to peopel with stolen credit cards then game devs
nimble current
ask a developer what their opinion of key resellers are
novel umbra
no I don't have statistics on that
fringe salmon
the way I see it with paying for it: if you are poor and cant afford it, go prirate I dont care, if you can afford it, either pay, wait for official sales or dont buy and dont play if you dont think its justified
novel umbra
the way I see it with paying for it: if you are poor and cant afford it, go prir...
basically what I heard from people in the games industry
orchid prism
Way too many outright stolen keys on grey market sites - And also an unhealthy amount of marketing keys sent to influencers, sold on against the agreement.
fringe salmon
yes
novel umbra
pirating hurts less than stolen keys
there is at least the chance for people to buy it if they like the game
orchid prism
(Yes I work with several indie devs, who have plenty of data from their publishers on this)
vapid lintel
There was a game that went on a nice fat sale here yesterday that I saw and almost purchased, let me see if I can look that up
novel umbra
if I know I'm getting a decent time out of a game I am ready to pay for it
fringe salmon
and if you think you are entitled to have a game for cheaper, idk what to tell you, you kinda arent
novel umbra
if a price is bs just don't buy
fringe salmon
yup
novel umbra
loads of other games out there
narrow epoch
You can't guarantee the key isn't bought legit though
It's just speculation
Hence why it's called grey market
novel umbra
You can't guarantee the key isn't bought legit though
that is the point
orchid prism
I can base it on plenty of hard data from publishers personally 😄
fringe salmon
I can guarantee that if on release you have a 20$ discount you either use fraudulent money or abuse something like local pricing that is supposed to help poor places
novel umbra
^
narrow epoch
Or the keys were bought in bulk in a region or country that is cheaper
fringe salmon
so either way you are using scummy methods, so more some less illegal, that's my view
vapid lintel
https://store.steampowered.com/app/361420/ASTRONEER/
Astroneer, that's what it was - 50% off
fringe salmon
yes, I said that, abused local pricing
orchid prism
I can guarantee that if on release you have a 20$ discount you either use fraudu...
"key is actually an account for a freshly created account in Peru"
fringe salmon
you dont get bulk purchase discount for game keys and then resell it and make money on it in any legit way lol
thats working for physical goods maybe
narrow epoch
Maybe, but if the keys were sold officially then reclaimed then surely the keys would be deactivated
novel umbra
not always possible
fringe salmon
no because a lot of times its not possible to track
novel umbra
also costs money to do
fringe salmon
or as I said if its abusing regional pricing it's not illegal, just extremely scummy
orchid prism
Maybe, but if the keys were sold officially then reclaimed then surely the keys ...
Only possible in case of credit card scams, and the publisher and developer is still going to be paying admin fees to chargeback.
fringe salmon
also not like people are aware of it, so you have to deal with people who thought they got a legit key and lost their game now
so more support hassle to deal with that costs time and money
narrow epoch
But you're happy with Steam making 30% off every purchase
fringe salmon
no
narrow epoch
Not some individual reseller
orchid prism
I do believe the conversation topic was about "Are developers getting paid when I buy something on the grey market", not "Do I support a 30% markup by Steam" 😛
narrow epoch
Eh, fair I guess
fringe salmon
I am happy that epic is doing something to push back steams monopoly (I do not think epic is perfect or support all decisions, thats a different point)
but with valve its a legal contract that they signed and are okay with
I think valve making it so you pay only 20% or so cut if you sell million+ copies instead of making the cut higher for the more selling games to make indie and other small companies make more money, is the wrong decision, but lowering at all in response to epic was a good sign
but again, different topic to grey market sites
old article that's still valid and to different degrees valid for other sites https://www.fortressofdoors.com/g2a-piracy-and-the-four-currencies/
no embed so heres a summary image
narrow epoch
I mean... it is still purely speculation, these are digital keys with a signature and a paper trail
In reality they could stop bad transactions
fringe salmon
no there are tons of game devs on the record saying to please just pirate instead of using g2a
they cant just stop bad transactions
sudden prawn
G2a is like mostly stolen credit cards
fringe salmon
other sites have less fraud issues and more just abusing regional pricing, which is as I said not illegal just scummy, and usually they still put a charge on top compared to getting local prices keys yourself
but if there is a discount on a product that just launched, and doesnt have a discount
it should be obvious something aint right
narrow epoch
I mean technically we are in the EU so we get localised pricing over a lot of countries
young hill
it should be obvious something aint right
They could buy a bunch of keys in bulk
narrow epoch
Pretty much everything I order online is imported because prices in Ireland are too high
So is it scummy to buy from Lithuania over Ireland?
fringe salmon
They could buy a bunch of keys in bulk
again, why would anyone give you a bulk discount for buying digital keys
fringe salmon
So is it scummy to buy from Lithuania over Ireland?
yes, you are effectively abusing a system that is in place to make poor countries afford more things
young hill
From a country with lower prices and that may not need so many like yeah it is grey
narrow epoch
yes, you are effectively abusing a system that is in place to make poor countrie...
But they are part of our trade union
How is that scummy?
I don't understand that
I order from Germany all the time
because it's usually 30-40% cheaper than Ireland
fringe salmon
same thing here, physical goods are different from digital license keys
narrow epoch
I mean that's really not a valid point 😅
Why do you think people buy from Ali Express?
I don't, but like.... a lot of people do
fringe salmon
no it is, having to ship stuff around and store it locally, having to keep up with lower demand etc. has costs associated to it, digital goods don't really
narrow epoch
So we should only buy from our local suppliers because god forbid if you find something cheaper on the other side of the planet
You shouldn't buy it
young hill
Digital storsge
fringe salmon
not what I said
fringe salmon
there is a difference if something costs more in your place, or costs less elsewhere, even though from a mathematical standpoint it's the same
ornate cedar
Is this about how steam having different prices depending where you are?
young hill
Oye not everything on there is fake
narrow epoch
No, if FF7 costs $30 in Peru, then import the fuck out of it, then sell it
fringe salmon
if I have a 10$ product and ireland sells it for 15 locally, that is different from me allowing people in syria to buy it for 5$ because they are fucking poor
narrow epoch
Nothing wrong with that 😅
fringe salmon
legally no, morally yes
young hill
if I have a 10$ product and ireland sells it for 15 locally, that is different f...
Could help.syria economy
ornate cedar
Could help.syria economy <:mm:638142954841833512>
Assad needs his funding
narrow epoch
Most companies these days make money by importing and selling goods
ornate cedar
fringe salmon
yes companies also dont care about morals and only about making profit
narrow epoch
Ok, don't go out to some guy that is selling stolen goods out the back of his car
For sure no
bleak pike
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/412020/view/5254045511872508445
Mods?
narrow epoch
That is morally wrong
ornate cedar
Companies only care about morals if it affects their reputation
fringe salmon
and again, not the same if something costs more vs something that is regionally priced to allow more people IN THAT REGION to afford it
narrow epoch
If you know you are buying stolen goods then yes I agree it is morally wrong
ornate cedar
Microplastics are good for the kiddos.
young hill
Companies only care about morals if it affects their reputation
Foxconn college internship making iphones for apple
Not everybody buys fidget spinners locke
ornate cedar
Foxconn college internship making iphones for apple<:mm:638142954841833512>
Buy Iphones to help locals to get an education
fringe salmon
if a digital product like a key costs less in certain regions, it would make sense there is a reason that is not the price for every region yea? really dont know how to make that more clear
ornate cedar
Cleaning the concrete became to expensive for foxxcon to deal with
narrow epoch
if a digital product like a key costs less in certain regions, it would make sen...
I mean how do you know these articles and statistics posted are not from some big top corporate guy forcing moral issues onto consumers just to get more money in their pocket?
fringe salmon
huh
narrow epoch
i.e. they make more profit margins from keys originating in USA than Peru
fringe salmon
you mean there is a conspiracy that they are scamming western buyers and the cheap prices in the middle east are the only money they need to make a profit on the sales?
narrow epoch
No, but how do you know there isn't
fringe salmon
yes they make more from keys sold in us vs a region that is regionally getting lower priced keys, obviously
narrow epoch
You're only going on speculation
narrow epoch
😂
ornate cedar
Dollar Dollar
No more petrodollar
Dont worry about the western business man with a suitcase
barren pewter
Goddamn central banks smh
Devaluing my precious dollars I worked so hard to earn
ornate cedar
This is why I use Wooting Keyboards as currency
young hill
Devaluing my precious dollars I worked so hard to earn
You sure that is not what your country did
That way you work harder
young hill
That makes no sense
But you can destroy a ton of vhs copies and keep one then sell.on enah
ornate cedar
Burning the money, causes the money to devalue and thus your other dollars to become more valuable
young hill
I mean that would be difficult
Cuz so much money in circulation
Gotta burn much more of it
young hill
feral ferry
@barren pewter Something cool happened
No, red cabbage is not the cool thing that happened
Seems that 4A is taking the Stalker approach, full modifiability for community mods
barren pewter
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/412020/view/5254045511872508445?l=englis...
Yeah
I know
Fun notification to get mid lecture
Seriously though, this is dope
feral ferry
Thing is
I doubt it'll get much content
It's a bit late to the party
For example, Kingdom Come Deliverance got full Cryengine dev tools as a "mod thing"
Nobody fuckin used it
Exodus isn't really that big anymore either, everyone has played it once or twice already
I doubt there will be massive conversions starting at all for this game, unlike GAMMA, Anomaly, etc for Stalker
ornate cedar
young hill
Exodus isn't really that big anymore either, everyone has played it once or twic...
Time to put your mom in the game
barren pewter
<a:amogus:876956004674338848>
It do be a great game
Did a tenth playthrough
The twist?
On my MacBook
young hill
I also bought another copy of the game
For Xbox
But it is quite sad many people do not play this
Or prey
barren pewter
Only game in the metro series I don’t have is the original last light
young hill
Not gonna lie but going from them to Exodus feels weird at least with the colonel
He feels best in Exodus
Or looks best
young hill
Only game in the metro series I don’t have is the original last light
I got it through a bundle
barren pewter
colonel has a shaky story in both 2033 and last light
young hill
Well he also looks weird
young hill
He looks like a middle aged person with grey hair he decided to fully color
barren pewter
In the battle for D6
young hill
But in exodus he looks like a stern man
Which plays better in my head
Like his daughter is also in one then at least I think
Hence why it also feels off
Like she feels fine as they are sorta strangers and she still did not initially trust him in exodus
young hill
In the battle for D6
Yeah gotta finish to get there
barren pewter
Like she feels fine as they are sorta strangers and she still did not initially ...
Well
Colonel lied to her face her entire life
young hill
She did not trust artoym though
Remember she thought he was crazy for thinking there were trains
barren pewter
No, she believed colonel
barren pewter
Remember she thought he was crazy for thinking there were trains
No, that there were survivors outside of Moscow
young hill
And she was using his as bait
barren pewter
She was gonna kill
Tasked to her
young hill
Like could it not be possible if paranormal creatures exist that a train could be fixed
And she believed her dad
Even in exodus at first
barren pewter
No proof to the contrary
barren pewter
But he is her boyfriend
Husband and wife
young hill
And could be alone time
barren pewter
By hanza
young hill
She starts acting like he was right all along
barren pewter
She starts acting like he was right all along
Because she finally had definitive proof of Artyom being correct
Specifically the grandmother and grandson in the back of the van
young hill
Yes which proves that she was skeptical of him before
Anywho is does not feel that off is my point
I know the colonel is more defensive in exodus
But he seems to casual in the other games
barren pewter
Artyom kinda…screwed everything up for the Colonel lol
Beforehand it was success after success
barren pewter
My copy of exodus for Xbox actually came with 2033 redux
I played that first
Then exodus
Last light third
Played em in order and it made a ton of sense
young hill
tf this aint the sims
young hill
yeah but what would anyone buy at chinese shop
tf
they had a nzai tatto in the game at one point
yeah triggered a lot of people
it is so nice having fast internet
i remember 60GB would take a 8hrs if not a day since i had to turn it off time to time
fading spade
this is a chunky boi
210 euro
if you do accidently finger it in that area, it gets all greasy and grimy and nasty
young hill
this is why xbox has anti grease controller
sudden prawn
Rip to the Chinese blizzard games player base
fading spade
this is why xbox has anti grease controller
the regular PS5 controller is also not glossy
just this mega expensive one is and idk why
young hill
Yeah but all those icons are bad for dirt and oil
Especially since Sony textured it all over
young hill
just this mega expensive one is and idk why
Software and just a few extras honestly
At this point Xbox core controller is probably the better deal if a elite series controller is not bought on sale
fading spade
Yeah, those controllers are pretty damn awesome
I love the look and feel a lot better than this PS5 controller also
fringe salmon
young hill
Due to what?
novel umbra
First one had a trigger sticking
Second registered multiple presses on the a button
Got a guliking controller recently
Fairly happy with it overall
Although i already had it open to lube main buttons lol
Helps the sound and feel of them quite a bit
young hill
Hmm electromagnetic sticks would help yeah
young hill
Oh
young hill
Right, yeah triggers I thought be better
Interesting that you have sticking, I do have rubbing on my left trigger thiugh
novel umbra
Not an extremely uncommon issue
Had it when playing nfs heat
Which makes that game impossible to play
young hill
Gotta be able to brake and reverse
young hill
Was this on the Xbox one controllers?
young hill
Oh guess I will watch for that then
novel umbra
Multiple a presses in persona also was bad though
fading spade
my One Controller is still flawless
and one of my 360 controllers has no drift either
o.o
the controller still works if you just yeet the rumble out?>
barren pewter
the controller still works if you just yeet the rumble out?>
Why wouldn’t it?
fading spade
I usually turn rumble off in any controller I get
I think most people use an Xbox controller when playing on PC
young hill
I mean you can check steam survey
fading spade
Like my xbox controller does on Linux in Distance
simple wraith
Already had 2 xbox controllers break sadly
Buy the actually good one
fading spade
I must be mega careful with my controllers, only had one break on me ever
willow quiver
v
fading spade
Adding the 8BitDo Ultimate Software to a (pretty short) list of peripheral software that I actually like