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well win98 still had DOS too and that was well past anyone releasing software taking the turbo functionality into account
Win95 is not DOS but it had DOS inside of it, as well as 98 and 98SE.
But yeah there was times where you needed the turbo button still to reduce your CPU speed.
Win 95 runs on top of dos, but independent.
But all 16 bit functions are still handled by dos
That's why 32 bit programs are preemptive multitasked, but 16 are cooperative multitasked.
no you're thinking of Windows 3.1 and earlier
No I'm thinking of windows 95 and 98
let me double check then
okay I checked. And nah. 95 is NT based. It has it running with it, in memory to use it when needed for compatibility but it's not running on top of it like a graphical interface for DOS.
dude its based off of Windows NT 3.51
It's not
or it came after that version*
oh, I forgot about that second part.
perhaps it's a weird hybrid monster of both.
I know the earlier Window series were pretty much graphical frontends but I'm pretty sure the 9x family were not.
Right, my bad on forgetting that one
98 technically requires a 386 but you can get it working on a 286 but it's slow as balls
And you can't run the gui or any 32bit programs
You just get shitty dos
I threw in a 00s AMD CPU lol 2.1GHz or a 2.6, I forgot which.
I think it was 2.1GHz
for my 98SE machine*
I forgot which video card. I got several 128MB and 256MBs. maybe one 512MB but 98Se doesn't support those.
The fastest GPU supported in drivers for 98se is a 6800 ultra with 256mb
Ati side is only a 9800 with 128mb
Though there might be 9800 xt drivers, id have to look
Theres a higher end 9800 that works, yeah
Though at that point you are working with XP games and im trying to focus this build for 95/98 and some DOS games
X850s are flakey at best
9800 xts are rock soild
X850s and newer agb Nvidia cards don't support small resolutions well
And old games just used the CRT to scale things
So games can crash or hang when they goto play videos or display images
I have a 9800 xt and it works fine
I have it in my socket a system
@hot spire oh you gor a retro system too?
Lots of them
I have a xt, socket a and a 939 system for windows/dos
My crown jewel is a voodoo. omen quad fx
But it has a dead cooler and mobo
Finding a replacement quad fx board is basically unobtanium
I have the stock cpus and a pair of upgrade cpus
And 3 GPUs for it
One day
I got a mutt of a machine that works for my 98SE/DOS. but I don't have a running DOS machine yet. The one I want to run fully with for my DOS stuff has issues with wanting to boot up DOS. The other is an IBM 486 PS/2. And the other is an IBM PS/2 486 ....uuuhh... x sumthin? it's the bigger beefier workstation one. Doesn't work though, wished that it did.
other than that : been trying to get a Dual-Disc PowerPC MAC to dual-boot OS9 and 10
which I only got halfway through
but I need to finish up these projects and get a dedicated machine for all the ages.
One for DOS. One for 95/98SE. one for XP/Vista. and then this powerpc mac and that'd be it.
and the old IBMs for everything older.
@hot spire Do you also collect DOS games too? ๐ i got ltos of the big boxes
Nah I never got attached to boxes
I mainly do xp
Which is why I got the quad fx
Quad was the pinnacle of xp.gaming
I got me some big box XP games too
though it's mostly DOS and others
I even have a box of Deus Ex ๐
though my fave one is my Wolfenstein, Fallout, and Daggerfall box.
I almost had a Ultima box. I was so close to a copy of one.
FYI: RimPy is not open source and the dev does not seem... stable.
Is that different to RenPy?
@fading spade RimPy is a mod manager launcher for Rimworld. Written in python.
because people be putting hundreds of mods on Rimworld.
more than skyrim
Ooooohh
what happened to them?
pffff
Average New Vegas load order
lol
mfw when minecraft people tell me they just add mods and don't worry about load order
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Why would you worry about load order
idk about minecraft but in Bethesda games it can make it so your install works or doesn't
yep
especially because a lot of files overwrite the same things
gotta have priority for those overwrites so you don't have...pizdec
yup I was so surprised when I heard minecraft doesn't have to deal with any of that
probably because in minecraft there's not much to overwrite 
Depending on the game and how the dev handle loading in mods : some games require specific ordering and 'layering' of mods. Even in minecraft, blocks have IDs and certain properties and functions and blocks aren't suppose to share those IDs so it creates mod conflicts if you try to integrate both or ham fist them in. Same with with, say, two mods altering the same object.
Or if its a compatibility mod patch or extension of a mod. You want to load the base-mod first and then the mod the depends on the required mod second or at some point afterwards. Or if you want mods that do conflict but can safely co-exist by over-lapping the properties of another in a specific way based on when they are loaded.... if the game allows for the conflicts ( bethesda games )
Minecraft dose worry about that for some mods
aye. you can find plenty that will conflict and cause issues
ESPECIALLY VERSION ISSUES
A lot of mods like to straight up never update to newer versions
honestly I find minecraft modding to be horrendous.
you have to find modpacks that do all the work to patch everything already
Yeah and this 10 different frameworks for shit like power or extra ores
So make them compatible is up to the mod or a third party
@solid bough https://github.com/rimpy-custom/RimPy/issues/79
His method of writing comes off to me as unstable, but ymmv.
Yeah modding supported is a mixed bag.
Built in mod support can either be a good or poor experience. Same goes for external mod support.
O.o The new Modern Warfare has a gamemode that is basically the same as the other game called Zero Hour in it......pretty neat
wait no, youtube fucked what game it said it was
Its not MW
I looked it up
It's called Ready or Not....
The devs ain't messing around though ....
One of the missions takes you to a cp set.....
O.o
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the chair?
STEAM DECK @fading spade 
Better tie that Deck to your hands before on hard concrete it lands
Or just place it on your bed 
Damn
This is big xd
It's really light
Maybea small bit heavier than switch when holding it
First boot
It's really light
The screen looks really good so far
lana dont u have work or smth
They separated Arch Linux updates and steamOS updates
Why's it downloading Proton to launch chrome?
@fading spade no?
Chrome is from discovery
Wait no I think chrome in steam os is via exe proton
Prob just for the users sake
@fading spade flatpak is used but not for proton. Proton is downloaded from steam wheb you start selecting games to use it. Exception is EggRoll version of proton
Also chrome is just within the OS and probably updated wotj flatpak
I made a mistake
Transferred to the SD card instead
So it's transferring so slow ;_;
Odd
SteamOS auto-mounts SD cards
Not hard drives
Damn it
Pixel usb adapter ๐
The speakers are great too
Don't get to use them too often because I only use my deck when I'm not home
Imma use it when I am home
Cause I don't wanna carry around such an expensive device
Unless I'm going to a hotel or so for a few days
It will always amuse me that death stranding is 69gb large
Seems like kojima tried his best to reach that
I am sad to report that the UK plug does NOT fit into the gap behind the case band
Like the US plug does
;_;
Well
You can store it there but it's not laying flat on a table anymore
I don't really have a use for that band. I use a backpack for my EDC
@fading spade be careful with the case, if the deck is in and its not closed and you pick it up, the deck falls out!
O.o
No way what a design flaw!
thats if you don't close it.
I haven't had the issue and the zipper isn't weak/loose so it doesn't open on it's own
but yeah its possible that if you forget it could slip out.
It automatically makes the SD card your default install location
Even though I had nothing on the SSD yet
Interesting
@fading spade You can change which is the default.
Yeh I just did
that the car game?
But - Will it still have the shitt leveling mechanic? xD
I hadn't heard much
But if we have a proper AC in years
It might be alright
Though unpopular opinion
All AC games are boring in some way
The only one I had any fun with was Black Flag
Which they then fucked with Rogue
Black Flag was the best AC game that shouldn't have been AC ๐
Remove the plot and it would still be amazing.
Once again my Steam deck has somehow wiped my save -_-
Stop letting that someone touch your Deck
It must be Lana
Looks like hell (and the beach) froze over.
why the heck is it deleting your saves?
like
are you choosing to use older cloud data or what?
I use offline mode all the time and I have to sit and let the cloud sync up after reconnecting it.
@bleak pike are you on the Stable, Beta, or Preview?
The preview fixed a bunch of Offline Mode issues
Stable
BatteryHorseStable?
Hey Everyone,
Due to the scope of our new game Sons Of The Forest, it has been hard to pinpoint an exact release date, and today we have to delay one last time.
Giving us time to complete the polish we feel is needed, we will release Feb 23, 2023, priced at $29.99USD.
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why complete the polish? make it english god damnit
$30 not bad
Doesnt mention VR on steam, have they dropped that or is steam listing wrong?
Who knows...
But on the other spectrum playing in VR was awful despite The Forest targeting it
Only early access game with good virtual reality in my opinion was Subnautica
Anyone know what that website to get artwork for steam games is?
VR on steam is very strong and still supported.
once you have SteamVR installed in your library, you should have SteamVR as an option to boot it up and such similar to BigPictureMode
VR hardware and game titles also ahve their own category and are always posted and listed
I think they were asking about the game itself having VR support
oh ๐ค that actually could eb the case
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJ3J6R2AZks
Star Citizen the... FPS? This game just keeps adding features I guess ๐
I went to war with the biggest criminal gang in Star Citizen...
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D...
I got Minecraft Bedrock installed
It works perfectly in single player
As soon as I try to join a server
It crashes ...
Anyone know what I could try?
On steam Deck btw
Java has a native linux port
maybe, just maybe
don't expect non-native software through an emulation layer to work perfectly
It does worn perfectly
Except tryijg to join a public server
Well
Tbf
I only tried to join hivemc so far
that issue honestly screams "NO HACKERS" because non-supported OS on a server is nope
just...use a supported OS, or a version of the game that does support current OS
I know it should work
I've installed it on my desktop too
And was able to join and play without issue
On my Arco Linux install
@fading spade try other servers
I also enabled a setting in the profile options to keep shit in the app
Maybe if I switch it back to external
Idk
deck broken, time to refund it
star citizen has had fps mechanics since day one pretty much
These guys are basically playing DayZ in it though ๐
yeah the missions have improved quite a bit
still janky AI though, sometimes they're not responsive at all, other times they headshot you from across the room in a millisecond 
Heh... it even has a prison escape mechanic.
Yeah, but if you get in an empty server the AI is consistently quite dangerous
yeah, I've helped people bust out of jail a couple times
haven't tried it myself tho
if I end up in jail I just log off for the evening 
Welp - Maybe it will be worth the 40โฌ I got refunded in a couple of years ๐
still a buggy mess, but its def worth a โฌ45 starter pack just to get in and mess around
imo
Def worth the โฌ27 I put in during the original crowdfunding period pepelaugh
some people should be locked up in psych wards for the amounts they dump on it though

Yeah and now you have kickstarters where the devs take all the money to gamble on cypto and then shut the game project down cause they lost it all
yeah at least cig/star citizen doesn't do a bunch of crypto or nft shit yet
though they do plenty of greasy fomo stuff still
finally got the third pvp mode, got that was hard when I only play frontline lol
We finally getting an actual assassin's creed game?
We seem to
But it's Ubisoft
They will find a way to fuck it up
Just about the forest game, I know steam vr is not dead haha!
ah
the best valorant player in NA using the 60HE in the biggest tournament of the year ๐
Yeah it's pretty cool.
Imagine if he was in this server though 
or still is 
Well even if they still do, they still got rainbow six siege and trackmania so they aint disappearing anytime soon.
Though would be nice to see a mostly legacy experience of a game with a few modern elements.
Steam voice calls work so much better than discord
latest entry is garbage
trackmania
No you๐
yeah, but we're talking besides the obvious here
Dontxha like build towns
Not sure if someone already mentioned it, but Mafia is free on steam. Although pretty old
https://store.steampowered.com/app/40990/Mafia/
Okay so first time i was in the right
Hmm match xp 30 tier free battle pass coming to halo infinite
why?
also, you can start from a given chapter...
@barren pewter they are having some sort of issue where steam deletes their save files over a cloud sync issue
so its starting from scratch all over again
the fuuuck? since when
Lahnah must have smoked my joint
because she's clearly high and it disappeared from my desk
only logical explanation
You smoke joints?
it's legal and available where I live
I don't see a problem with it
I donโt see a problem with roasting turkey leg over a fire either
Speaking of which cannabis or tobacco
tobellow 
I've tried it twice and it works great
Should I swap to beta channel on the steam deck?
Yes
Oh
Xd that's a confident yes
Should I keep it plugged in while it's installing?
It's at 88% but I don't want to Deck to sleep from being inactive
Sure
I'm assuming if I change the power settings in game mode they won't be changed in desktop mode
Right?
Sure
you are lana, of course you switch to beta
i on the other hand, see no reason to do it :p
Xxd
I do like beta indeed
But there is also a preview channel... Hmmm
Oh
Steam Deck let's you change the hostname
Nice nice
I won't bother though
Need to figure out where the steam deck stores the screenshots
~/.steam/steam/userdata/$yourid/760 and it should be easily discoverable from there
Changing the screenshot location in desktop mode didn't work
@fading spade def go with the Beta
Death Stranding so far
40 minutes of cutscene
20 minutes of gameplay
TBF, the gameplay is sort of relaxing to me
So, a Hideo Kojima game
You mean, you always had a lot of games in development
There are tons of documented games of games near release or abandoned along the way
Just the recent success of your hardware and your games getting received well meant that you finally take it seriously again
I mean valve has a "problem" that they make so much money from store they don't need to make games.
The games that people want the devs at valve don't want to do because they won't live up to the hype so it's not worth the risk.
Unless valve changed its management structure always meant this was a problem, no one was "forced" to pick up a project and finish it as everyone is pretty much the same level and could pick and choose so why would you pick a project like HL3 that is pretty much impossible to match any possible expectations that people have for it.
I would like them to do a much more expanded HL VR as I thought alyx was a good attempt but very safe and didn't really push any boundaries or use radical VR implementations.
not every VR game can be like Boneworks
Valve has he right idea of pushing in the hardware which is most needed to be abel to expand and do more with the VR because that's the bottleneck
prior VR was too mucha gimmick. but then they brought up serious hardware with the software to easily integrate games into it.
and they brought in room scale VR.
And maybe not the first but they are trying to bring in extra detail with finger detection
It was the right call to have a safe game released that's very vanilla, it didn't have to be boneworks but it could be a lot more, I would hope their next one is more pushing the boat out.
They did announce with the index that 3 triple a titles were coming but that never really materialised besides alyx being many years later (or felt like haha)
lol yeah.
but yeah Valve is def coasting very much on Steam's success and not havign the need to focus on developing themself for finances.
They should probably put out a subsidiary that focuses on game deving
Got the artwork sorted out for non-Steam games on my Deck <3 its all looking great now
I don't think valve has really pushed the hardware side that much to be fair.
Expensive and at the time the CV1, Vive and Rift S weren't holding back interactions for VR or what can be done on the medium.
The only good thing they did was the lighthouse but the did that previously with the Vive, it being so expensive didnt help adoption and Oculus managed to make their inside out tech hide most of the flaws and does a very satisfactory job now that I was happy moving back from the index.
Lol actually I was right
Valve bought turtle rock and named them valve south
For game development
They shut down after a few years
I mean it was valve south then turtle rock no? They went separate after
Yeah they split again
That went nowhere
Though turtle rock did make a bunch of great stuff for them
L4D2 iirc
L4d was a great game, I played some back 4 blood but it had none of the staying power that l4d had which was a shame.
Valve's creative power imo has mostly left the company
Because they have no need to do anything, CS go is a loot crate cash cow and the store brings in far too much
Like Mark Laidlaw for some reason not really wanting to work for them anymore
2010s to 2020s was Valve's creative deficit era that probably still continues
After Dota 2, it went kinda silently downhill
A card game, which failed multiple times
A hero arena game was it, the Underlords
That's dead, nobody talks about it
They got their shit together with Alyx and nearly failed
I heard somebody actually pushed internally for the project to release
And it did, to great success
But Alyx nearly failed
Games wise they dropped the ball for the past 10 or so years
Hardware they always had the mind for it, like steam controller, steam machine, etc
But I think with Gabe himself kinda getting into it, he's been pushing them as well to make hardware
And correctly so, Index and Deck are great
What's the next game they will release though? All signs are pointing to a... top down half-life
No they pushed the fuck out of the hardware. They co-developed the Vive with Samsung, as they were interested in AR and VR too at the time, and heavily got the VR market swinging and mainstreamed. After that I don't know if which company focused more on the Vive Pro but the Index was all them IIRC. They've consistently been improving the VR scene on their end and they already have at least 3 patents for new ones.
It didn't help with Alyx that it nearly demands having a 1000 dollar hardware set that Valve has yet to lwoer the price on after 2-3 years
If anything with Alyx valve helped a lot of cheap HMD companies get sales 
Oh I thought you meant like with the index not before games.
The Vive they worked with HTC on which was great and a good competitor with Oculus rift.
They did great stuff but software wise they were miles behind Oculus and were chasing high end when the issue isn't high end product it was the fact the cost of entry was so high.
People can't make games viable on VR due to limited audience as most casuals will spend ยฃ1000 on VR ontop of system cost.
It's fine they stayed with the high end as Oculus covered the entire issue by focusing on cost of entry with frankly incredible inside out tracking that is close to valves fixed setup which is really expensive.
The index needs updating as it wasn't much better than the Rift S but was 3 times the price!
I think valve finally caught up software wise but for years Oculus led the way with ASW and ATW which significantly reduced GPU needs which again vastly reduced the cost of entry.
Arguably valves contributions while significant, pale in comparison to what Oculus and Facebook brought to the medium as really they restarted VR from the 90s and valve joined them to help in the end, they split and they went their own ways of making it a decent medium.
They did great stuff but software wise they were miles behind Oculus and were chasing high end when the issue isn't high end product it was the fact the cost of entry was so high.
Miles behind how?
People can't make games viable on VR due to limited audience as most casuals will spend ยฃ1000 on VR ontop of system cost.
What are you talking about? There's been an influx of VR games and interest for years ever since the market got pushed heavily.
The index needs updating as it wasn't much better than the Rift S but was 3 times the price!
Updating in terms of.... the field of view not being as wide? The tether cable?
The biggest weakness of the INdex had been the need of the cable, the Vive had third parties solve it with adapters to turn it wireless.
YO
The other thing is that the field of view isn't as super wide as others but that's because its flexible and adjustable to accommodate different face sizes, different eye heights, and GLASSES
Let's be real - Quidditch has bullshit rules anyway
Imagine NOT having Quidditch
lol
Quidditch is a meme
It's literally wizard football
90 minutes of intense sports
Lol I got the golden widget that makes us autowin the game, losers
You can't have a game without quidditch
worse than wizard football
when i hear wizard football i'm expecting a ball of elemental magic that they'd be able to change to suit the needs between earth-fire-wind-water and all things going crazy cause magic.
not some flying small orb that has a bias agenda
Just release a squirrel in the stands at a football stadium and have a squirrel catcher on each team and bam quidditch but no magic
but speaking of quidditch has anybody seen Hogwarts Legacy
that games looks like it'll be either really good or really bad
preferably not really bad
Uh this whole thing was about it not being in there
Especially that real life quidditch some people are into is a meme
aha
Lol they cancelled split screen coop for Halo. What are they even doing over there.
discord overlay gives 20ms frame time spikes in osu what a feature
yea
Playing roulette probably
But really unexcused especially since Xbox series x is the most powerful console out there on every item except storage speed
JuSt PlAy OnLiNe
Playing online is fine
But it is cool to have someone come over and play with them there and theb
Also split screen locally has been a staple the franchise
I guess it died at halo 5 with the news made, but that was due to the original Xbox one being an incredible poop house of hardware
except the series S exists so that pulls it down
you cant do anything on the X that you cant do on the S aside from visual fidelity, hence me thinking microsoft shot themselves in the foot
now idc about halo so I wont know if thats relevant either way
Honestly yeah the series s is an odd one shoulda stuck to streaming box
It would be fine since it is more meant for 1080p resolution
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the original Mafia is free to keep on steam until September 5
UwU
Anyone here excited for GOW ragnarok?
might watch a streamer for it or wait for pc release but think its going to be good either way
Oh man for PC were talking about 2+ years
Only reason why I got a PS5
Just so I can play exclusives day one
was considering it but I got enough games for now so I'll rather get a new gpu this fall with the money
What you have rn?
6800
its not bad but just enough games where it doesnt reach what my screen can do
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it just doesnt do enough to run 1440p ultrawide at 175hz in many games ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
I'd be totes up for a 6800 lol
definitely better than my 1080 was and its working fine, just not pushing games as hard as my screen can do if we're not on about csgo or similar
Poor game optimization ๐ตโ๐ซ
ew amd grubbics bad
Yeah Iโm not going to entertain two trolls this late at night
I am not trolling this time
who's trolling?

yeah I shaved off my fluff a few weeks ago

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Rename it
Would be If I didn't have to play it on my ps4
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This is such a lovely little game.
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Pink sharpies exist
But really some vinyl from dbrand or the other company is fine for that as they are cut quite precisely
Pink vinyls exist. But have a heatgun ready
Hair dryer also works
It was an amazing visual game, gameplay not so much
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scJe-SJcUgk
We need a TF2 clone. Just some shooter that's silly and doesn't take itself serious.
It really did have to be this way (4 years late)
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Overwatch was always too sweaty.
whos that
I assume some higher up at 434 after the recent halo news #meme
ah yes, dislike game decision so lets make memes about the people getting choked, funny!
I mean that's the arbiter killing the prophet of truth, after the prophet betrayed his entire race.
lovely, surely a great time to see yourself on memes implying you get killed when a decision on a game is not the one players want
WTF
you must be fun at parties
gaming cultre oftentimes is quite disgusting to women tbh
gamers are scum in general 
idk I can critizise things without implying actual harm to a person or joke about it
I started playing the outer worlds on my Deck
It's really fun so far!
@flat frost just got wait long enough for people to get burned enough to get jaded enough.
We already gone through it but mext gen has to as wel
Lol
Totally worked for bethesda /s
Should I finish Death Stranding first before continuing with The Outer Worlds?
Or keep playing outer worlds and play death stranding casually on the side?
Test
?
new rocket pass car kinda fire
hopefully good hitbox
I was planning on skipping it but now I can't
@warm spade
@wooden steeple what is your favourite video game
Game pass worth it?
With the gold conversion trick, I can get it cheap. One of my friends got 3 years of gpu for $72.
yeah game pass is definitely worth it
i played the entire yakuza series and slay the spire
Yes even without the trick
$10 a month for a ton of games
True
Something like 70% of Halo Infinite's campaign wasn't actually finished. This content would've included additional biomes. A little astonishing considering that the game was already fairly long, but I think if it had that remaining content it would've elevated it from a good campaign to a fantastic one. Could've made up for the disappointment that was multiplayer.
I think backporting Infinite to the older Xbox One was the mistake, although I understand it has the larger playerbase it's also held the game back in a big way, and made development a living hell.
I had free gamepass for 9months and it was barely used at all.
The fact that DLC isn't included makes it a really shitty deal imo.
I disagree
Even without the DLC, gamepass is great
But sadly the reason is
Because you can try out the games
I'm not paying to demo games.
No more game demos
I found TWO games that I didn't already own elsewhere and the rest I found interesting had DLC that was basically mandatory for the game to make sense.
You are playing the full games, ducky
I mean if you buy all your games then sure it's not good value but if you don't buy them then it's value is pretty great
Thats the fault of the developers, not the pass system
No. No I am not. I am playing the basegame - and paying for it.
Yeah
It is 100% the fault of the license holders and licenser payers. Microsoft is at fault here as much as publishers.
There is a lot of games on gamepass that do not have significant dlc so you don't need to buy extra stuff
Yeah of course. Blame the license holder despite the developers fucking up their own game
Microsoft still chose to make a shitty agreement. No one's holding proverbial guns to THEIR heads ๐
Anyway... Gamepass. Shitty in my opinion.
My two cents in the gutter. Moving on.
If you like Bethesda games or any Microsoft title you make it worth the cost already if you use the gold conversion.
Anyways gamepass is great to save a lot of money to play a shit ton of full games
Even if its without bonus content
And that is why I decided not to start paying after 9 months of finding TWO games that were interesting and the experience in full ๐
Without having to pay to buy DLC for a game I was for all intents and purposes RENTING already.
And again, if the dlc was so mandatory thats the fault of the developers
No.
Yes you are renting, it works out better than buying for a lot of people though.
Doesn't work for you, that's fine though!
No. Cause Microsoft decided to accept those terms.
Stop blaming the weong people
There is literally nothing preventing a gamepass game from giving you access to DLC as well as the basegame as part of the experience. They CHOSE not to. Publishers AND Microsoft.
Stop being ignorant and blame only one party when this is clearly a two side issue ๐
Yes but you are still blaming the wrong people for something the developers did fpr their game
You're being irrational
I mean that's the entire play, get you to play the game and buy the additional content that comes out later on.
It's no different to buying the game and buying the dlc later on when it comes out?
Not even remotely.
You have an issue not having the dlc
But the issue is you said the game demanded the dlc
Yeah cause most games do...
Blame the developer for making the game demanding the DLC in the first place as its bad game design.
No they don't
Also on game pass ultimate a fair few have dlc included just saying
Everyone does DLC. Stop shifting blame.
The problem is the nature of your ownership.
You are renting a game through gamepass - To access the game's DLC you either buy the game (why would I, I'm already paying for the subscription service) or to buy the DLC. Which means I could end up owning DLC for a game I don't own.
This is like using Spotify and paying for it - But needing to pay to listen to certain albums by buying them. And losing access to them if you stop subbing to Spotify.
Im saying base games shouldn't REQUIRE DLC to make sense or to work
Yes i k ow you are renting, that isnt the issue
Great - Let me know when that's a reality. Cause that is not the gaming market anno 2022. ๐
@orchid prism how about literally every game before 2008
And ple ty of games afterwords
Like, jesus duck, i dont know how you are so ignorant about games like thjs
You have the whole game sans extra content
You don't have a 5 minute demo game
Im not sorry you cant tell the difference between those
who tf gets gamepass to play games that are over a decade old
People that don't own them already
People that are young
Or never heard of the game before
so you pay gamepass instead of getting them for a dollar on steam during every sale
Or any other reason
I sincerely doubt that
I mean you can buy the game after gamepass? You get a discount for the games near the way out.
All games should stand tall on the base game, if they don't that's the dev/publisher problem.
The idea of gamepass is you don't need to check if a game is good you can actually play it without putting down ยฃ50 and gambling.
A lot of people get gated into certain games as they can only justify a few ยฃ50 games and miss the better alternative genre they like as theyhavent tried it yet
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Please stop tagging me back into the conversation - I've made my strong opinions on game ownership clear and I don't need to repeat them again ๐
Sorry ๐
regardless I think gamepass is a terrible business way that will cause future games to be made to be profitable on it since its not sustainable to keep it that that cheap for full price games all the time
@fringe salmon not thr issue nor the point. The thing with the date was the duck throwing a hissy fit because he found a game on gamepass thag required DLC "to make sense" and blames it on Microsoft instead of the developers.
And i was saying a game should stand on its own without extra content
And theres a shit ton of ges that play fine and dandy without extra stuff
nah he said both MS and the publisher are at fault which is accurate since either could make it be different
If a game required dlc to be ok then the dlc was cut content and they don't deserve the money.
@fringe salmon. Except this is a case of the developers making the game that way. The issue isn't the platform for this issue.
How is it Microsoft's fault for going hey can we have your game on our service and we pay you ยฃX?
Fucking thank you
ok so the game already exists the way it is, now MS could say you get more than just the basegame to make it better
Moving the goalpost : this wasnt a topic about ownership
"please stop tagging me" continues to tag ah nice
Im responding to you. If you dont like it : don't be in a public area and dont talk to people.
Just leave
You can reply all you want, but please leave the @ out of it.
I've already shared my opinions and repeated them ad nauseum.
Alrighty then
you could also just be a nice person and respect if someone doesnt want to be tagged and literally left the conversation till you pinged him again
Not when they say something like they said prior that needed responding to. But now I don't need to respond to them anymore so i got no more reason to ping em
Microsoft have given dlc on a fair few games already though.
It just doesn't include all dlc as that would stop encouraging publishers to make more content for their games post launch (assuming it's ADDITIONAL not gutted)
You don't back out and leave a convo by trying to throw out "last words thats final shut up". Doesn't work that. You simply just go "ive said my piece and im out" because one adds extra things and the other doesn't
It's no different to renting the game for choices or some store back in the day besides a much better selection and no missing discs xD
I absolutely do - Especially after I've said twice not to @ me about it. You can disagree all you fucking want about my back ๐
you know if you disagee with a point you dont need to respond to it, you can just drop it there
I thought you were leaving?
This is good advice for internet
ok if MS already did you we can agree on they can do it, so if two parties are involved that have the power to decide it's fair to say both parties are responsible to some degree
Honestly its legit difficult for me to ignore or not respond to people.
It was a polite request - There's no need to act like a child about it now.
then thats a problem you should work on if you cant stop when someones word are literally to stop
I have been >.> started with no socializing but over years it just kinda grew this way and im basically tone deaf about it.
I mean I thought the issue was games not being viable without the dlc so you HAD to buy it as extra was the problem.
The base game should stand tall on its own really (I know it doesn't always), it makes perfect business sense to have dlc seperate for the most part as MS would have to pay even more to cover their "losses" due to rental service.
I wouldnt blame Microsoft for that side really, they want everyone to play as many games as possible, a lot of DLC comes out after the agreement to be on gamepass as most games are now day one.
I guess in the end it's possible, sure. Just seems more a publisher/Dev issue for shipping a game that is bad without required dlc.
The value side was you don't pay ยฃ50 for the game really.
nobody said to blame MS for a game making DLCs that are needed for the game to be fun or something, just that they have the power to include them in the gamepass since they want the consumer to have a good experience too
That was the issue yeah, that some ge required it and didn't have it for reasons we don't know
The blame shouldn't be on Microsoft, they are just platforming it.
saying MS should add it doesnt mean I remove all blame from the publisher
The vlame is on the dev whom made the game require outside content
you know you can say both groups made a mistake right?
This isn't their fault nor problem to fix
The developers vould just add it their game for specific gamepass version
it is a problem, they can fix it, they didn't
Or not have made the game like that
it's not asking them to unmake the game and redo it
Not on MSs part
again, you can still say the game should be different and MS still has the option to make it a better experience for the customer so they can be blamed
Thats like saying Valve to fix and edit a game that isn't theirs
No
Its the developers choice
They chose to make it this way and to release it this way
They choose where the game is released
and there is a deal made between publisher and MS and MS can say they want to include the DLCs for gamepass
or MS just didnt pay for it
It went on awhile I missed the original point xD.
Microsoft can do it but now I think I am wrong in part as the dlc for some games was additional not like ALL the games dlc is included so I'm wrong.
Would it be nice for Microsoft to do an all DLC I cluded tier? Yeah absolutely.
Does it make financial sense to do it? No unfortunately I don't think it does as the publisher would want way more money and agreements would have to change every time new content was added which changes the value and cost of it all.
Now thats speculation but the core truth is they made the game. Not Microsoft.
They made the game require it. Thats bad.
ok but microsoft is selling me the gamepass, so they decide what to put on it
The game dev allowed it
The devs could haveade a GOLD version that included the DLC in one package
Or what have you
and microsoft could have said they wanted that version on the gamepass, they decide what to put on there
Anyways i am more awake now
I uave to go crawl on the ground
To the fridge
And get drink to take my meds
And its still the final say of the developers to say yes or no.
I just strongly dislike DLC overall. The difference between me playing the base game for ยฃ0 specifically for it is the value side for me.
Like halo, I wouldn't pay ยฃ50 for it but will I play it for "free"? Yep and then there is the new darktide that's another day one and easily offsets the ยฃ3 I paid for pass .
It's entirely a personal valuation though, if you aren't going to play those game and own most already yeah it isn't the value for you and shouldn't be bought.
Great thing is you don't need to buy it though I guess!
ok and MS can just not put a game on it if they dont get the terms they want
yes so MS chose to not put it with dlcs on the gamepass
No, you cannot state that as a fact
yes I can
For you do not know which
No you cannot
You can say they COULD
BUT you don't know which
It's equally possible the publisher said we will only give you base game, it's a fair point we can't say for certain either way
This is truth
But what is a fact is they made a game that requires the DLC, which is the fault
yes and then we are back to the point MS could then say "with dlcs or no deal"
so they can still decide it
Possibly. Its speculation, we don't have the fact.
But can't say 100% on that stuff specifically
no its not speculation, there is no law that requires MS to put something on there if they dont want to lol
Uh, not what I said
I mean it's a compromise?
If you don't have the game then the service provides less value for those who wanted to play that game.
Simple business economics
Im daying is its pure speculation to know if its the devs or MS that didn't include the DLC.
MS sells you the game pass, they are deciding what to put on it, so they have responsibility what is on there
But what is factual is the developers making a game in the first place that doesn't make sense without dlc
that doesnt matter
Literally irrelevant to knowing if it was them or the devs.
Yes it does matter cause it caused an issue, apparently.
Its the core issue
you can fix an issue by not making it one in the first place aka publisher splitting up dlcs, or you can fix it afterwards aka MS including them
Or
one causing it doesnt absolve the other of the fault of not fixing it
You could not develop a game that forces players to buy dlc to understand it
you can argue if they should or not, but they definitely can
you can fault both parties
Anyways i gotta gooooooo
thats why it doesnt matter what the devs do
I find no fault on MS for this exact issue
they dont sell you the gamepass
It does matter what the devs do
no because MS's decision is not the devs decision after that
you can say MS shouldn't have to fix that, doesn't change they can
I think the fundamental point is being missed.
It makes no sense to have all the DLC included as it would be incredibly expensive as a pass.
The whole point is to make it so you can play any base game on the pass so the more games the better as choice improves.
It wouldn't be financially viable to cover all of it both for the publisher and Microsoft.
It's up to you as an end user to decide if the value proposition is good or not.
Most games are excellent without needed DLC and plenty don't even have DLC.
I think I've gone round in circles now so I'm not adding anything I'll stop now ๐
In completely unrelated news - I don't think I've ever skipped as many cutscens in a Ubisoft game as Far Cry 6. They're just so... slow and unimportant. They go nowhere.
I'm like three quarters through the game and I still don't know a thing about the main antagonist or his son, cause every cutscene with him feels like they're dragging out for time constantly.
Last cutscene was a full minute of him slowly getting up, putting a record on and pouring a drink.
In a game shooty, runny, blowy stuff uppy game.
I am genuinely curious to know if they just wanted to maximise mr. Breaking Bad's screen time due to contractual or artistic reasons. Cause it just breaks the pacing completely.
Well I don't really know what to say. Halo Infinite splitscreen works.
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343 could have made it much more easily accessible
yeah splitscreen is a weird thing to cut, not hard to implement relatively
splitscreen is odd on Black Ops 3 cause it makes the game smaller on the screen so each split has as close to 16:9 ratio as possible
Would have looked probably stretched otherwise
The best implementation used glasses on some old console
Two people looked at the screen but have different images
if I copy my install of Cyberpunk over to my Steam Deck
Will all the mods be copied over too? Id assume so, right? cause they are all installed
Maybe if I verify the game files on the Deck it will sort of reset the game for me?
If you hand copy it over? Yes.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
You'd still need to launch via a mod launcher though
Someone's on their deck
Yep!
The one bad thing about this game so far though
It's making me realise how bad I am at fps games on controller
Xd
It's a lot comfier to use in bed than the Switch though
My wrists and arms hurt a lot after about 40 minutes on Switch
I have no pain at all on the Deck while laying in the same position
Classic Obsidian game. It has heart and soul, but it's incomplete and the gameplay systems are broken af ๐
customize the controls. Adjust and get familiar with the gyro and find what suits you best.
What?
The game is great so far
I really enjoy it
I haven't encountered any issues
maybe they are refering to New Vegas which is unfair cause they were forced to work on it in harsh conditions and strict timeline as well as for console.
Well
It doesn't like when I limit the TDP at all
It drops to like 5fps no matter what tdp I set
@fading spade when using the TDP limitations on the deck, you have to limit both the CPU and GPU and adjust both values down otherwise, like, turning on one and not the other will tank the FPS on everything for some reason.
Oh
Hmmm
I'll give that a try
what I do is limit both CPU and GPu and lower both the sliders down and then raise them up to find the right balance
but everytime I turn on just one or the other : everything tanks.
yeee. but thats off by default so don't forget to turn it on
I'm running the game on low settings
And it's still really pretty looking
Very impressive
Locked it to 30fps too since I don't feel much difference in this game compared to 40
Forza 5 is on sale for 42 euro....
I have 4 already and I'm bored with the map
5 looks like a really nice world to drive around
RDR2 was on sale the other day
The campaign is excellent for the first many many hours.
its on my list
Though it kind of fails hard on the whole "you're an outlaw, you can rob places" cause you... you can't really.
To rob a train you need to do it in a very weird, exploitative way that feels like the developers just kind of forgot what the game was about ๐
didn't you? 
yeah heard its super linear like gta basically
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Honestly don't recall. I do have my own now though 
Gave RDO a month of my time and I regretted it at the end.
Almost done with FC6 now, so I can play something else. Might finally get around to finishing RDR2. I remember calling it quits in the chapter where you go abroad.
Super hero game? I'm out.
So don't ask me ๐
I think I'll save RDR2 til I got a new computer
I can run a lot of games on pretty high settings still, but would like being able to go all out on that and a couple more titles
Bloody hell
Silent Hill is actually coming back
I am cautiously waiting for TGS in a few weeeks

I heard very recently that the announcement is supposed to be very soon
I mean, that's also what I've been hearing for the past 4 years or so 
But honestly, it does seem that the game definitely exists
And in an advanced state where they can show it
Sons of the Forest got delayed... again
everything got delayed
you know what hasn't been delayed?
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Well they are on time but the warranty was delayed 
No shoo
Magic
Yes
that sounds like a security issue
The real security issue is pleasant leaving the door open to the basement sometimes
Hehe
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Yeeeeeeee am happy fox to finally have enough room to have bookshelves to put my collection on shelves. More to come.
Hot damn - That's basically my childhood on a shelf right there.
Yeeee i got tons more of th3 good shit
Bigbox never survived up here - If you find a box used it's basically torn to shreds.
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Man im in florida
These are the toughest and strongest boxes to survive florida
Im pretty sure i even have one or two games from 79 or 78 somewhere...
Old ass apple game. Or maybe its actually an IBM port of the apple game.
Currently im going through my CD stacks
Some of which came from West Germany
This is about half of what I have - Maybe half was bought pre-owned in thrift stores.
I do however have a bit of a rarity. A Macintosh Plus which was used by Apple to translate the entire software library (and games) from US english to Danish. Care of my uncle who used to be an Apple engineer here. Still works and has all of his old top secret diskettes in binders ๐
Super nice
Who even remembers these bad boys anymore ๐
I duuuu
BTW is this a price tag or what? Im not 100% certain
Some have these rather high number tags
That's an odd one. Judging by the high number it would have to be somewhere with a REALLY bad currency problem. Like Asia or Africa. Or the old soviet bloc
Like
Looks like it's 1490,- whatever currency that might be ๐
Unless this was taken from west to east or they were also accepting whatever russia was using in... what year...
Let me check date
No date on this one
Newer ones of similar ones is 1994 though
But i can tell this one is older
Okay i found a different brand
Different marked currency
1994
(All the Fortnite kids are so confused right now I bet)
Lol
9 euros. An obvious guess on that would be it came from a German store. Probably grabbed from a discount bin.
Yee
Maybe the tag earlier came from some russian shop post collapse, who knows.
Also i just realized this is post collapsed. Windows 3.1.
Somewhere i have Deus Ex as well
And Red Guard
And Ultima 9 LOL
Two shitty games
But the boxes are nice
Can't say ive played a commander keen game yet. That also may be the only CD with one of the games on it.
Unless i have another multi game disc with it
Or 3D Realm CD that includes it
I got various Duke Nukems
I've played all of the Keen games and anything like them for sure. I remember that my after school place had a computer with all the best games from the era.

Hmm weird, so in thiscminecraft resourecpeack snow looked weird. So I tried to copy and paste only the snow texture to a new resource pack and suddenly it looks normal. There doesnโt seem to be any difference in files yet it looks totally different
Even when I select it as first resource pack
@orchid prism lucky lucky. In my early school years best they had was oregon trail and maybe a couple others like spy fox or zoombinies. After that for middle school it was blueberry macs but they had some spiffy games on them
What could be breaking this?
we had mac classics in early school
same thing
Apple was heavily pushing their computer for schools program, which felt like a success if even my schools got them.
Even my much older school days they at least had dirt old apples
Where does the resource pack even take this height map from I canโt find it
The Deck onlylost 1% battery in sleep mode for past like 4 hours
not bad
well.... it shuts off wifi and BT soooooo
my ryzen 2in1 gets almost a week in sleep
6900hx
@orchid prism yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee i got more shelves now a dehumidifier to keep the boxes safe from our deadly floridia sauna.
...
the good ol days when having a portable mac was a pipedream
I mean it technically has a carrying handle in the top. So portable as can be ๐
(typed on my portable Macintosh personal computer)
for it's time
back when portable meant carry handle and not too heavy
xd
Well so has the switch emulator on the steam deck
that doesnt have internet great
Why do we get upset about youtube comments again
just randoms posting their opinions
I don't know, personally I just enjoy arguing with people on youtube
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So that was Far Cry 6... rather disappointing to be honest.
It's clear that they've done this series for so long that they've grown complacent and seem to focus more on "ENGAGING MULTIPLAYER" than a meaningful story or fulfilling gameplay ๐
figured it'd be triple A mush from the first trailers, all flash and marketing and little substance
ubisoft game design has become tiresome since far cry 4
tbh I already thought far cry 3 was rather boring
I largely enjoyed 4. I just hated the supporting characters ๐
Only FC4 had me cheer for anyone BUT the people I was working with.
I m not talking about the story only the gameplay the stories seem to be ok
3 had piss poor pacing. Vaas is such a powerful antagonist... who when you face him is replaced with a boring "main baddie" and another third? of the game left.
FC5 sucked on so many levels and its expansion wasn't much better.
I've mostly seen michael mando from better call saul but everyone raves about his role as vaas
๐คทโโ๏ธ I rarely care for stories in games what I care most about is the gameplay and ubisoft gameplay loop is so ๐ด
Ubisoft needs the story to carry the gameplay for as long as it does.
stories have their place in games but if the gameplay isn't good its dead in the water imo
it is after all a game first and foremost
if I mainly wanted a good story I'd watch a tv show or a movie
I mean there is a reason I never played "games" like the beginners guide even tho I enjoyed that story a lot
Also - FC6 aiming is somehow both simultaneously super satisfying because headshots means one shot kills. But on the other hand weapons, accessories (fucking scopes man) and laser targets just make your aim feel like you're drunk.
And the driving - God - fucking - damnit how did they manage to somehow make flying and driving WORSE than previous titles.
The game expects you to pan with the mouse, but it has a weird deadzone and a SUPER hyperactive 1-100 reaction after that. And if you want up to be down in planes like... any other game, then the mouse does the same with no option here.
Flying a plane is genuinely painful as a result. You also can't look out of cockpits, so you can't see where you're landing half the time. Moving your mouse around turns vehicles, and there's no toggle for it.
Goes into a locked room and continues to rant for another hour or two about FC6
Everyone loves launchers. Launchers launching launchers. Best quality of life
2K can make decent games but they have always been shitty people
Unorganized
I got the second bookahelf up
Not pictured : my daggerfall box crying somewhere in a box that I cant find yet
And others like the WoW collectors boxes which are too big.
I'm still missing Legion and Shadowlands.
Never bought Legion myself cause I got a review key for it but no physical box. Now it's pricy af and I'm just waiting for WoW to collapse and people sell out ๐
Never played Shadowlands so didn't have a reason to get it at the time.
TBC is the only one I bought when it released. All others are preowned - Classic was pricy.
I played beta, og and tbc. Then stopped. Everytime I look at new stuff, none of it actually looks good
Legion was the last one I played a lot. Played Azeroth very casually.
Plot didn't interest me at all.
ftl
@barren pewter
I should hope so xD
Hate launchers
that'll probably increase the prices for the boxes >.>
but i missed my chances on grabbing an original box
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Get ready for Phantom Liberty โ a spy-thriller expansion for Cyberpunk 2077 set in an all new district of Night City. Coming in 2023 to PC, PlayStation 5, Xbox Series X|S, and Stadia.
It's not any less in size than what Witcher 3's DLC were
New patch is coming out today
Adding Edgerunner content, Ripperdoc additions and Transmog
Not for the old consoles huh
Another patch later will be for Police AI, Car combat and improved melee for the game.
It is actually
The DLC might not be
But the 2 next patches are for old consoles
But then they'll drop support
Oh it's still getting updates, I refunded it and was going to pick it up when it was "fixed" haha
instead of adding more content fix the base game first?
cyberpunk was probably the worst preorder I ever did
What needs "fixing" exactly in your mind?
honestly i did not play it for a long time, but the world was so empty aside from the main quest. just compare to gta 5. then the ai/police was really really stupid
and tons of glitches/bugs
Police is getting a rework in patches. An empty world will never be "fixed" cause that's just not done in any game.
I completed the game on day 1. All of the serious bugs I've seen since are all gone by now.
is the multiplayer still planned?
I think they said a few months after release dont exactly remember
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thats like witcher multiplayer
ea meh
Idk I don't care about FIFA
Just like everyone else shouldn't care for FIFA
same i don't play fifa but still why would they release only the old tech to pcs
they can be more powerful than ps5
Probably they determined most PC players are using crappy PCs
Dragon Age: Dreadwolf, Dead Space, Star Wars Jedi: Survivor are upcoming actually genuinely exciting games from EA
And when it comes to single player games EA has been smashing it for the past 3 years
no they determined that people with fancy pcs already spent money on that and not fifa player packs
dragon age? hmm i'll wait for reviews after their flopped game
pepelaugh
Dragon Age 5 : Let's see what we can fuck up this time.
I am kinda scared for Dreadwolf
Anthem 2 when!!!

