Oh and I guess in the future premium might have built in workshop support and shit for easier mods maybe
#๐ฎโgame
trim rock
trim rock
Well yeah I guess it might also be sold elsewhere
feral ferry
Idk what any of you are talking about anymore
trim rock
But most people are gonna get it on steam
feral ferry
I'm waiting for the steam version, I really liked the new graphics
Idk much details on pricing, if it's free or not
How is mod support
Does community play it or not
solid bough
okay lets start form the begining vexx.
trim rock
It has always been built to be moddable and there's a pretty dedicated community
feral ferry
It has always been built to be moddable and there's a pretty dedicated community
That's pretty nice
solid bough
Dwarf Fortress is free and available right now and already moddable, and can get graphic packs.
The one on steam is an extra edition to be sold for 20 dollars to help pay for medical bills and other important things/.
and yeah community is hardy
feral ferry
Medical bills 
That's a weird way to word it
And yes I am very well aware the game is available and has been for decades
solid bough
medical bills cause. america ๐
feral ferry
Isn't it a 2 man team
solid bough
more or less
It's mostly Tarn Adams but his brother does indeed help too.
and the community too. but its not Open Source.
orchid prism
That's a weird way to word it
But accurate.
feral ferry
Cause ngl, that seems plenty 
orchid prism
The game has basically been funded exclusively on patreon donations for over a decade.
bleak pike
Who's this?
bleak pike
I mean who's patron
solid bough
yeah but ithere's other expenses too
fringe salmon
you realize the money is used for other living costs and the medical bills are costs on top of it
feral ferry
Bay12
feral ferry
If 12k a month isn't enough medical costs then idk what kind of country you are living in
trim rock
Murica
orchid prism
A quick example from 2014.
November: $3400.66
October: $3260.59
September: $4573.68
August: $6551.92
July: $15273.52
bleak pike
Ngl I do agree with Vexx for once but game dev aint cheap
feral ferry
What
solid bough
@feral ferry america is not land of social health care.
so, stupidly high private health care prices.
and student loans
expect to be debt slaves
feral ferry
There is the better America
We call it Canada
(Awaiting the rumbles of angry americans)
That I had not heard of before
solid bough
anyways
12 thousand a month is certainly a lot for normal means.
hell a lot more than what I make
fringe salmon
average junior dev salary in california is like 70k$ btw so depending on where he lives it really isnt much for the work
feral ferry
Cali is also known for high taxes I'm pretty sure
solid bough
depends on the company
fringe salmon
it varies greatly
solid bough
they can pay you peanuts or pay you a lot.
and then force you to work 70 hours a week
fringe salmon
not to mention you pay more taxes on self employed work, patron takes a cut etc. etc.
solid bough
aye this is just donation, not salary too.
orchid prism
I mean for the brothers it is.
fringe salmon
it is but the 11k isnt the direct amount they get
its what patron gets, then patron takes the cut
orchid prism
They get fucked twice ๐
solid bough
aye and then theres splitting it too, idunno by how much between the two.
fringe salmon
then you dont have any company benefits in form of any insurance or anything, all stuff you have to pay yourself etc.
solid bough
aye, its disgusting over here.
fringe salmon
no thats normal anywhere if you are self employed
orchid prism
Yeah.... the US is big on making health insurance a part of salary employment.
orchid prism
no thats normal anywhere if you are self employed
Not here.
feral ferry
"Company benefits"
Not having to work 9 to 5 and work from home is a pretty good benefit already
fringe salmon
well you still dont magically have a company that pays for you since you are the company
solid bough
Previous administration kept pushing more taxes on lower income people too while rejecting taxes on people stupid rich, go fuckin figure ๐
orchid prism
The only kind of company benefits you get here in scandinavia tends to be a gym membership and such to keep you healthy (rarely used - Japanese model inspiration I guess) and a pension plan.
fringe salmon
"Company benefits"
Not having to work 9 to 5 and work from home is a pretty good...
you realize the guy could easily make 20k+ a month if he'd do a regular job in total home office with open ended time
orchid prism
If he could*
feral ferry
That was mostly sarcasm
fringe salmon
instead of 4k or w/e is left at the end
solid bough
aye. Dwarf FOrtress is the ultimate dream project.
go play iiiiiiittt
don't wait for the Steam Version
bleak pike
This the game?....
trim rock
Pretty much, there's some mouse support however
bleak pike
Welp
feral ferry
Yeah I'm waiting for the steam version
trim rock
I kinda like it, once you get used to it you can be pretty fast keying through all those menus
solid bough
@orchid prism not true, if you use dfhack you have mouse support
feral ferry
So you have to use external tools to get proper functionality
That doesn't sound like proper functionality at that point
solid bough
@bleak pike the game is from 2004. And while it looks like it came from the 80s Rogue, its very much an advance game and probably the most complex still.
@feral ferry mouse was just never intended from the start. But you can find mouse support if you wanted to.
Its meant for fast keyboard action
feral ferry
Well good thing it'll have it with new version
solid bough
Ill prefer keyboard because I'd like my right arm to stop dying from RSI
orchid prism
<@158168189300244480> not true, if you use dfhack you have mouse support
Not PROPER support.
solid bough
as in, what, not being able to click on the menu UI?
you'll still be able to click on what s important : the game screen
which I find handy for quick placing of single-tile stuff and "painting" designations.
@bleak pike ever played Rimworld?
or Oxygen not Included?
orchid prism
If I need to hit a keyboard key to do anything, it's not good enough.
solid bough
keyboard shortcutting is very fast compared to using a mouse. Unless it's set up to reduce repetition and such.
thats why I was saying the mouse is better for single-tile things like furniture placements.
orchid prism
Irrelevant.
solid bough
then what is "good enough"?
orchid prism
If I can't click on it with a mouse, it's not good enough. Just because I can use keyboard shortcuts in Rimworld doesn't mean I want to ๐
orchid prism
then what is "good enough"?
Being able to MOUSE click on every element obviously, dragging out commands et cetera.
solid bough
thats a personal preference
orchid prism
thats a personal preference
Yes - I am obviously speaking for me ๐
solid bough
no worries
orchid prism
But I just happen to a great case study for "what makes good UX" ๐
solid bough
i'm just. weh @_@ my arm si all kinds of fucked so I can't do mouse for too long. or type as much as I used to.
orchid prism
If you NEED to use the keyboard to do something in a screen interface, you're going to lose a lot of potential players.
solid bough
okay but thats from personal expectations, not through fault fo the game
orchid prism
It shouldn't give you RSI to construct a tower with floors, walls and furniture. But it does as things are now.
Every single object is in submenus and anything except "terrain" is "one instance place"
solid bough
it doesn't for me. I was saying in general if things wer exclusively mouse based.
as in : restricted to my right hand
orchid prism
it doesn't for me. I was saying in general if things wer exclusively mouse base...
Then your construction projects clearly aren't grand enough ๐
solid bough
lol
nah I switch to me left
but yeah
in my current fortress i settled near a volcano with some decently flat area near a river
So I plan on starting a massive Brick industry and build towers to the heavens to fulfil the namesake of the fortress
There will be hallways open to the air to allow flowing of wind and chimes and all that jazz
but made of brick and clay.
because i'm too fucker lazy to do it in glass.
i'm currently at 70 dwarves and trying to get a military up and runing for defenses
though sadly, amterials are extremely lacking
and the good minerals are deep underground.
no iron. no steel. Small amounts of copper but much tin and silver.
thankfully in some recent update you can now make SIlver weapons so I was able to craft some warhammers
which are also our main export because we have a bunch of legendary weapon smiths
so we just churn out silver everything
trying desperately to buy what pitiful amounts of iron and steel i can from merchants though ๐ญ
thankfully there's no lead poisoning yet
as everything not-wood I said fuggit and made it out of lead.
orchid prism
My last couple of forts in a nutshell.
-
Massive desert palace. Arabian themed above ground palace with massive walls, halls and everything.
Ruined by grass growing on sand everywhere (Never found a solution to that one I think) -
The deadly cathedral.
Massive cathedral like entrace with magma safe furniture and raised altars. At the click of a lever the entire ceiling would retract and drop down a massive lava reservoir from above, which would then drain naturally into a floor below through grates and get pumped back up.
solid bough
nice
the one before this one fell into stagnation cause it was out of touch from all civilizations and couldn't do much of anything with only 30 able bodies.
vague walrus
dang , but i can still use it as a normal keyboard???
orchid prism
Of course.
vague walrus
for destiny 2 i mean
orchid prism
...yes
bleak pike
Yes
vague walrus
Oh i see then
bleak pike
It's only when you try to use analog mode/keys
fringe salmon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_7kVy4cPxw @orchid prism maybe in some time we need to adjust the cop pasta to include old ff games as well as the free parts 
orchid prism
๐ค
split citrus
Obviously the lower the better but you can makeup for this 'disadvantage' by improving your gamesense
barren pewter
Obviously the lower the better but you can makeup for this 'disadvantage' by imp...
or hacking
split citrus
or hacking
LOL or hacking
barren pewter
that's always an option
split citrus
๐
What's your sens? Dpi and in-game
An issue I notice with a lot of players they try to flick all their shots or shoot as soon as possible. Try to take a 0.01 second interval to actually line up your shot before you shoot
barren pewter
An issue I notice with a lot of players they try to flick all their shots or sho...
can't wait for when those kiddos try for armed forces and flick their shots with the service rifles
white bloom
oh okay
white bloom
Im in the marine corps lmao PT sucks
split citrus
idk anything about val sens so can't help you there. I'd say hit the Kovaaks and work on actually thinking about your aim instead of just shooting as soon as you have the opportunity
barren pewter
Im in the marine corps lmao PT sucks
:)
split citrus
10-15 mins a day before you hop on will improve your aim dramatically
haha yeh I don't really play anything anymore aside from the occasional Fortnite. Waiting on MW2 and Warzone 2
barren pewter
if you're into single player games, I'd highly suggest INDUSTRIA
first person shooter by an indie studio
it won't play like a CoD game, but the environment is gorgeous, and considering it's a labour of love of 2 people over 5 years, it turned out fantastic
feral ferry
fading spade
feral ferry
Ok, and
slim token
can't wait to play it on the deck
fringe salmon
look someone form my raidgroup found you hiding @orchid prism
fading spade
ripe tendon
I bet it works great if FedEx would get up off their ass and actually deliver it rather than claiming delay and delivery exception
young hill
FedEx just wanted to play on it first 
ripe tendon
They're doing construction on our road and it's one way so I think they're just too stupid to figure it out
says they tried to deliver it lol. Uh. nope cause if you tried you would've left it at the door since you don't need a signature
bleak pike
I bet it works great if FedEx would get up off their ass and actually deliver it...
At least they didn't steal it
bleak pike
@fading spade i thought it was all servers
bleak pike
"No review scores of any kind, including Steam reviews or external news sources"
well then
trim rock
Yes, a very good change
feral ferry
Yeah this is defo a change for the better
The question is, how will publishers and self published devs respond
trim rock
HoW wIlL i GeT cLiCkS nOw WiThOuT tHiS mArKeTiNg
feral ferry
I don't think people click games anyways due to a fancy thumbnail with review scores
But I mean, they might get a click or two
bleak pike
I don't think people click games anyways due to a fancy thumbnail with review sc...
say that to furrys
feral ferry
idk what you are talking about
solid bough
say that to furrys
???
Oh, wait
I think i get the joke
Lmao
Nice
Some of us do love to click on thumbnails that have attached scores to them ๐คฃ
gleaming olive
apparently some vrchat devs are crashing other people on purpose, and also use modded clients. what a fucking joke.
if it does go, kinda sad to see it happen, but that just means most people will migrate or a new platform will start existing. though last time i checked other platforms weren't equally great in other regards (one that comes up to mind has some sort of shitcoin related to it)
i think the most funny thing about it though is that some people use spyware as their main argument behind not wanting eac in the game, yet likely still play on games that require an anticheat. that, or using windows
ripe tendon
At least they didn't steal it
yet
young crow
i think the most funny thing about it though is that some people use spyware as ...
does windows also send your udp tables to some random server in germany?
trim rock
Shock! Imagine if it didn't have any changes
feral ferry
Cause that AI looked ass
And those particles were terrible
Like Beth get your act together and release a fun game
bleak pike
Cause that AI looked ass
Ye the AI only looked ass ๐
feral ferry
What
I don't think it'll disaster launch at all
Main concern is that the game just sucks
The open world looks empty
The space combat part raises questions as to why it exists
And obviously cause it's Creation engine you can't combine the two
Hey at least you can still build space stations and your own spaceships
So that's at least 2 hours worth of content
gleaming olive
@young crow hol' up, wym? does vrchat do that or am i missing somethin here?
young crow
anticheats do that yes
bleak pike
<@466325855598280705> hol' up, wym? does vrchat do that or am i missing somethin...
VRChat added EaC
And everyone boycotting
slim token
cheating on vr chat lmao
solid bough
it's not the literal cheating aspect
it's people going about griefing or stealing assets.
gleaming olive
Oh
That's odd.
Guess it just furthers my point about anti cheats being awful.
AFAIK VAC (even if it's userspace) will read DNS records from the cache.
Also Von, EAC literally doesn't resolve both aspects.
fringe salmon
I mean eac was the wrong thing but if not with an anti cheat, how else do you try and stop asset ripping, cheating and people crashing lobbies on purpose
gleaming olive
AFAIK the assets cache is unencrypted still and anyone can access it, as for griefing, uh... just look around at any game using an anti cheat, griefing is still blatant as shit.
As for cheating, I don't know. VRChat wasn't intended for eSports last time I checked, so why the hell should I care? If anything, make a fork of it with EAC and leave everyone else the hell alone. As for crashing, guess what, apparently EAC (from what I've read and said earlier) does nothing.
Additionally, crashes shouldn't occur if stuff is well designed. There's a flaw somewhere.
And yes, by all means, tell me that programming is hard.
fringe salmon
yeah the flaw is allowing modded content so users can use their own stuff but that also means malicous stuff
gleaming olive
Yes but that's a stupid response Quin, no offense. A well designed system shouldn't allow for malicious stuff to occur.
fringe salmon
and if you want to have fun with friends and some ahole goes glitching out the entire lobby so it crashes or makes the lobby unusable it doesnt need to be competetive for me to not want that
gleaming olive
And if it does occur, moderators or whatever step in. Generally.
fringe salmon
so vrchat needs to employ people with the 0 moneys they have to moderate users?
gleaming olive
0 monies? Hold on, did they not have a premium system in place?
slim token
do they not have a plus subscription
gleaming olive
Exactly
Also another thing, devs themselves are using modded clients. Think about that for a moment.
gleaming olive
Why should the devs be allowed to use them if the general population cannot? Hell, why the hell are they a dev if they go around purposefully crashing a person or people?
Especially because said person said something slightly controversial?
fringe salmon
hold up how did we suddenly get to the devs crashing people
gleaming olive
I read about it on Twitter from a user. I'll have to go find it.
slim token
when man's said also another thing
gleaming olive
Regardless VRChat (in it's current state) is a clusterfuck.
As for EaC and the "udp tables to some random server in germany", that sounds wrong... and suspicious. What happens if the IP or the domain to that german server is blocked? Does EaC stop working? If not, it's additional spyware or some other bullshit. If so, maybe they're using it as a method of detection.
Also wow is Twitter a shithole. Imagine trying to block users from viewing content unless they register.
https://twitter.com/3DRenegade/status/1551945597917298688?cxt=HHwWgIC8qY-Tz4krAAAA
This is what I was talking about. As for how true or accurate it is, I don't know. Apparently there were constant crashes on that day, so maybe an odd coincidence, but doesn't resolve the fact about devs using modded clients. You can search for that one, it's plentiful.
slim token
Also wow is Twitter a shithole. Imagine trying to block users from viewing conte...
they won't let me see lewds without an account :(
orchid prism
Also wow is Twitter a shithole. Imagine trying to block users from viewing conte...
So... like literally every other social media platform?
orchid prism
I mean... you still have to register and connect to an IRC server ๐
feral ferry
Also wow is Twitter a shithole. Imagine trying to block users from viewing conte...
There is a bypass btw
orchid prism
Some SERVERS
Not the protocol itself ๐
gleaming olive
@feral ferry Already aware of it
feral ferry
The login and close?
fringe salmon
I mean that seems to be an obvious fake post that someone made about the supposed dev
gleaming olive
https://github.com/zedeus/nitter/wiki/Instances
Have fun @slim token
orchid prism
Also Mansen, cmon...
You're the pedantic one here ๐
gleaming olive
Even if it's fake, doesn't resolve the fact that some devs are absolutely using modded clients, and as such, could crash shit if they wanted. ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
fringe salmon
you do realize that a dev can do that by virtue of being the dev
that doesnt make sense what you try to say
feral ferry
Modded clients is kinda like, normal for devs to inspect
gleaming olive
I don't know how devs work over there.
feral ferry
You can find cool ideas for actual content in mods
fringe salmon
bruh even in esports games devs quite often have extra options
gleaming olive
"dev" can be simply having access to logs or some other bullshit, so that's why I'm throwing it out there.
gleaming olive
Nope
feral ferry
Who really cares about this
slim token
Who really cares about this
technology has entered the chat
gleaming olive
Social media as well. Everyone has to care and get butthurt about everything. It's life.
gleaming olive
Absolutely. But anti cheats suck regardless for what they're trying to do.
Or well, for the alleged issues.
young hill
Vanguard is the future๐
feral ferry
technology has entered the chat
Wrong channel
slim token
Wrong channel
most of the games we play can't exist without technology
they go hand in hand
solid bough
anti-cheats sucks only if the developers sucks at making anti-cheats. it's all in how it's done.
feral ferry
most of the games we play can't exist without technology
You wouldn't exist without your fat mom either 
gleaming olive
Regardless of how you do it or how you see it.
solid bough
you're gonna have t explain it then
slim token
Who really cares about this
it's talked about for speculation, discussion, what have you
regardless if one plays or not
gleaming olive
@solid bough Alright, let's see...
- Anti-cheats invade privacy. No way around this.
- Some anti-cheats ruin FPS. EAC comes to mind.
- Tough luck if you're using a VM or bought a piece of hardware from another guy who had a ban on it.
That's just the first 3 that come to mind, but there are many, many, many more things that can go wrong with anti-cheats.
solid bough
okay for one I said WITHOUT rootkitting. so how does it invade privacy?
gleaming olive
Not to mention, anti-cheats only stop the script kiddies. Dedicated people will and can get around them.
solid bough
and again : without using EAC
solid bough
I agree rootikit based Anti-cheats are bad as well as EAC. But I'm talking ones that aren't those.
okay?
again how is a game with built in anti-cheats going to invade your privacy?
gleaming olive
Not okay IMO. The best anti-cheat is to prevent the server/client from being able to cheat in the first place. Ex: don't let the client send information to the server (client side variables or some other shit).
solid bough
thats an anti-cheat!
gleaming olive
it ain't though
solid bough
literally a method that sotps cheating is called anti-cheat
young hill
Uses the words the best anti-cheat
solid bough
yes you did
gleaming olive
Regardless it's not an anti cheat in my book.
solid bough
too bad, because it is
gleaming olive
That's just well designed software.
solid bough
if a game has in its code that a player is unable to move at 5000000 miles per hour and if they do, they get banned : thats an anti-cheat.
now tell me how it invades privacy
young hill
Not okay IMO. The best anti-cheat is to prevent the server/client from being abl...
Speaking of this though a cheat software developer basically called this part of the solution that does not get employed
solid bough
see now you're being dishonest mage
gleaming olive
It doesn't. Also that's a stupid check IMO.
solid bough
regardless if its stupid or not
it's an anti-cheat method
and it defeats your earlier point by not invading your privacy
nor is it affected by your other points
as its not going to ruin FPS
nor would it be affected by VM
gleaming olive
AFAIK last point remains.
solid bough
that's affected by rootkit based anti-cheats
gleaming olive
From what I recall some people who used a VM to play CS:GO couldn't play.
solid bough
I specifically said you can have anti-cheats in your game that DOES NOT ROOT KIT
and when both YOU and I list an example of an anti-cheat that doesn't do those : it doesn't count you say
yeah, and?
gleaming olive
You can call it an anti cheat, but I just consider it well designed software. Also give me a break, I've only slept for like 6 hours a day* the past week. ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
solid bough
just because some games have bad anti-cheats does not mean all anti-cheat fall into your shitty category
not all our root kits
anti-cheat is software bruh
that's what all this is
but we're talking abotu specific software
made for specific purpose
as in : countering cheats
yes, it's software. and, yes it is anti-cheat.
gleaming olive
I still don't consider it an anti cheat though. Anti cheat in my book is something that is tacked onto a game.
Be it VAC, EaC, BattlEye, etc.
solid bough
It's not my fault you don't understand what anti-cheat is.
yeah and those are software too.
gleaming olive
I agree it's not your fault. But my definition of anti cheat is different than yours.
solid bough
it's incorrect.
Anti-cheat is not tied to specifically second/third party software.
it's any software that hinders cheating.
doesn't matter where it is.
gleaming olive
You're reading the text book definition of it. I get that. But let's be real fucking honest here, do people actually think of that definition.
solid bough
i'm not reading any definition.
gleaming olive
solid bough
You're the one making up your own usage of the word and trying to apply it where as everyone else doesn't use it that way.
gleaming olive
I've had this definition for over 10 fucking years.
solid bough
a video game with anti-cheat code with-in it is anti-cheating software. get over it.
too bad? irrelevant to how long you thought of it that way.
gleaming olive
If it makes you happy, sure, but in mind I still do not consider well designed software an anti-cheat. ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Opinions, like, exist man.
Or whatever the hell it is
solid bough
except you're tyring to play a definition game here and I'm not taking your bait. So, like, not really an opinion.
orchid prism
gleaming olive
I'm not even trying to bait, I'm seriously having a hard time comprehending why you define well designed software as an anti cheat.
At the end of the day most stuff is stored client side because reasons (probably makes it simpler or some shit).
Regardless this discussion is pointless
solid bough
I'm not. I'm calling it what it is. you're the one making a separation here. You were simply wrong about anti-cheats and didn't think to consider ones built into the game so you had to quickly change the definition of the word anti-cheat and argue that instead.
gleaming olive
what the fuck, are you serious?
solid bough
are you high?
gleaming olive
No, but I've barely slept this entire week.
gleaming olive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1FVsVE54Qw
Especially when it's over 35C and sunny as hell.
Another thing: technically anti cheats don't need rootkit to invade privacy now that I think of it. Any regular program can open a file, view the currently running processes, etc. VAC using the cached DNS records was the first one to come to mind, but it's very likely possible that in the future other "non" rootkit software may still be privacy invading.
solid bough
You could have it that way or other ways or built into the game. There's multiple ways to go about countering anti-cheats, including having certain things behind server-side
typically all depends on the type of the game and whatnot
I m for against rootkit based anti-cheats.
gleaming olive
Yeah but then the question becomes: how willing is the community of said game willing to deal with cheaters?
Generally speaking, very little.
Because "non" rootkit solutions generally suck.
Now sure even rootkit solutions don't prevent everyone, but they still cut off a lot more cheaters than non rootkit solutions.
TF2 is a very good example of non rootkit solutions failing. That, and Valve being shitters.
solid bough
the thing is though, if the non-root kit methods sucks then that means the developers failed at their anti-cheat methods.
but it very much is certainly possible.
gleaming olive
Debatable. If they catch some, it's better than nothing at all.
solid bough
yeah
gleaming olive
I'd say it's a failure if they spent all that time and it did nothing
solid bough
depends on the game
for TF2 it's less cheats I beleive and more a bot issue
as in AI controlled bot farms
gleaming olive
Bots are a problem yes, but many cheaters as well.
They generally hide it well though.
solid bough
I've been gone from the scene for years truth be told.
gleaming olive
But frequently, it's ESP, snapping (minimal), (almost) always crits, abusing interp/ping or some other shit, and double firing.
Even if you call them out, most of the teammates on the other team are either
A: brain dead
B: don't give a shit
C: want to win
D: are friends/accomplices
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
fringe salmon
tf2 had cheater problems for over a decade
it was just masked because community servers were the norm and they had custom anti cheat+ mods
gleaming olive
Yup, until Valve decided to pretty much kill off the search for community servers.
That, and shitty community servers.
fringe salmon
so many hundred unban requests I had to deny because it was so obvious..
gleaming olive
the obvious ones are not as annoying as the non obvious ones IMO
fringe salmon
eh sorta, they argued harder and it was more futile the rest I had at least some hope it was an accident so I could help someone who wasnt cheating
gleaming olive
I meant in game. But I agree with what you said.
fringe salmon
let me see if that ban list is still active and I can check how many were manualyl banned form me
gleaming olive
It's especially annoying when you're playing a class which has no firepower or defense. Short of random crits or a meter being at 100%.
young hill
LoL had an experiment with banned cheaters: a few stopped permanently, other stopped for a while but went back to it, and the others who wanted to be unbanned cheated immediately. Most of them were in the second party.
gleaming olive
I was gonna say, bruh.
feral ferry
fringe salmon
and even though sourcebans was good, any paid hack was still easily able to get around it
gleaming olive
That's the thing.
solid bough
I bet going through ban requests was both sometimes fun and aggravating.
in another game, loved checking the ban requests and hearing the stories and the replying often with screenshots. Like. bruh. you went around dropping N words and racial slurs and stuff. what did you think was gonna happen ๐
fringe salmon
all I know is if a rootkit anti cheat would have stopped even half of them I would instantly take it
and thats just on community servers, not even competetive
nimble current
yeah if you use those kinds of words and then wonder how you got banned you're a special kind of stupid
solid bough
see, "easy" comes at a cost. now you have a moral ethical issue. cause honestly this should be illegal, straight up.
rootkitting* that is
gleaming olive
even though technically windows is a rootkit
gleaming olive
Yep, but an invasive one.
solid bough
thats not what a rootkit is
fringe salmon
I can see an argument for community servers, in an competitive game, ranked or any form of esports event it is by far the better evil and if it stops even one out of 100 I'm taking it
gleaming olive
I'm aware that's not what a rootkit is. I'm just stating it's also invasive as well.
solid bough
modern windows, yeah I would say so indeed.
gleaming olive
I think at about XP is when it started getting invasive. Not sure though.
nimble current
that's a problem with computing in general these days sadly, unless you go full on linux hermit or something pretty much
gleaming olive
I know Win 7 had some flare ups regarding the error reporter.
@nimble current Even Linux isn't safe. The underlying hardware isn't safe.
solid bough
no, they could have made an operating system without invasion of privacy
gleaming olive
you're telling me a typewriter is unsafe? Yeah, maybe if I drop it on my toes
solid bough
Windows doesn't need to shove ads in your face
windows doesn't need to install facebook shit
windows doesn't need yyour telemetrics
and all the other stuff.
it doesn't NEED any fo that. they WANTED that.
nimble current
a typewriter is not a computer though
gleaming olive
True... Could be argued you could make a safe computer by using extremely simple parts.
Would probably be limited and slow as shit though.
nimble current
the most foolproof solution is not connecting to the internet
solid bough
no you just need laws to tell these companies to stop trading your fucking information about you
gleaming olive
Nah, foolproof solution is 30 feet underground, in a shielded container. See: radio waves.
As for laws, forget about it.
Time and time again companies get away with it.
Even if people revolt.
Not to mention even if they do exist, guess what, they can just ignore them.
As long as no one knows or notices.
nimble current
big tech is a threat to the democratic process in numerous countries
but nobody ever scrutinize them or their practices so nothing will change
gleaming olive
If anything, here's what I would suggest: one x86_64 machine unconnected, and another non x86_64 connected.
fringe salmon
first you need to be sure any compiler you use isn't compromised
gleaming olive
Do as little as you need to on the connected one, and as much as you can on the unconnected one.
fringe salmon
so gl being paranoid about that first
gleaming olive
Doesn't matter for the unconnected machine.
The connected one, provided you follow simple OPSEC rules and do as little as you need to, will likely keep you safe and prevent information leakage.
solid bough
but nobody ever scrutinize them or their practices so nothing will change
people do. but the people within power are paid by them to not do anything and thats why it doesn't change.
we americans wanna keep poking at russia for their corruption but we have had legal bribery since the 80s ๐
gleaming olive
The Americas isn't the only ones having trouble with this FYI.
solid bough
I know.
young crow
Fixed a server crash caused by Sniper trying to eat his gun (switching to Sniper while Heavy is eating a Sandvich)
ripe tendon
but have you broke any games lately? That's what we want to hear about
gleaming olive
TFW it's quicker to download a game over Tor than it is via Steam... What the fuk.
feral ferry
It's literally just Empress in the scene currently
Takes time to get things done
Though as far as denuvo releases are going there aren't all that many left
orchid prism
Just a dns block
"just" - It's powerful enough to fuck up Steam and other game clients without a VPN or forced DNS from your router/PC.
wheat kraken
so on a lighter note. There's a Sodium and Iris fork for Forge. Rubidium and Oculus respectfully
fringe salmon
@orchid prism who did you burn mansen WHO DID YOU KILL
orchid prism
Wouldn't you like to know, cop.
solid bough
Dwarf Fortress will always have the best bug hunts/fixes/updates https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/975370/view/3317476653526282315
ashen lark
https://sea.ign.com/steam/188531/news/indonesia-blocks-access-to-steam-epic-game...
Oof turning into China
ripe tendon
I would like to know if this removal of Denuvo on DL2 affects the performance any. Also they're still shit at keybinds so w/e doesn't matter anyway
ripe tendon
I've had the Deck all day, installed Emudeck and literally done nothing else. That can't be a good sign...
ripe tendon
and now I need another micro sd card damnit
jovial coral
I โค๏ธ sseth
orchid prism
solid bough
lol
I didn't have THAT one
really wanted it though
but I didn't want to fork over 100 bucks
orchid prism
TOG was free back in the day.
solid bough
when? I played closed beta way back. I never got a TOG
orchid prism
Years ago. One of their seasonal events or something.
solid bough
ah.
maybe it was after I retired.
one can only grind to teir X so many times before going "yeah okay I've done it all in this game"
orchid prism
https://worldoftanks.eu/en/news/special-offers/missions-tog-october/
Google says 2014
solid bough
I must have completely missed it then
I wonder if me old account exists...
can't be buggered to reset password.
orchid prism
But then warthunder is better
When they remove planes from tank battles we can talk xD
orchid prism
ashen lark
France paid for lacking it back in the days, good tank armor didnโt stop stukas
solid bough
CAS is an important part of combat
I had no problem with the planes and stuff.
if you don't want people to use their own planes, play arcade.
orchid prism
I just find the entire mechanic bad for gameplay.
solid bough
how so?
you have ways of countering
from jumping in a plane yourself, anti-aircraft vehicles, or the literal machine guns on your vehicle if you have them.
orchid prism
I play a plane game to play a plane game. I play a tank game to play a tank game.
Too much weird overlap regardless of "counters"
solid bough
or, you know : getting into cover and hiding./
you didn't mention any bad mechanic, just that you personally find it "weird"
orchid prism
I literally just explained what I don't like ๐
orchid prism
Good for you. I do ๐
solid bough
righto then, guess its just matter of personal preference then.
orchid prism
Obviously it is.
solid bough
Thought you might have been referring to some inherently flawed design or such. something objective >.>
orchid prism
There's nothing objective about video games.
Again - It's simple. I play a game about tanks to play a game about tanks, not to be told to get in a plane halfway through a match.
solid bough
War Thunder's never been a game about just tanks though. it's always been mixed combat. except for the planes.
it's always been about the planes though.
orchid prism
War Thunder's never been a game about just tanks though. it's always been mixed...
Not in an actual match it hasn't.
That all came later.
solid bough
no they've always had the ability to call in planes.
orchid prism
You're confusing calling in a strike that's an ability with literally jumping into a seat.
solid bough
In arcade you get a set list of three types and in realistic you bring your own.
whats the confusion?
In Arcade mode, based on your performance, you can hop into a plane based off three types : fighter, CAS, and Bomber.
In Realistic Mode : you bring your own planes.
within tank battles*
orchid prism
I give up.
solid bough
I don't get what you mean. it's always been like that.
only now there's helicopters.
orchid prism
No. Tank battles used to have just tanks.
In the good old days.
You had call-ins, but no players flying around.
solid bough
when? when there was just german and russian tanks?
or was it german and usa tanks ๐ค
it's been many years
but aye, fi its that far back then I don't remember, sorry.
bleak pike
orchid prism
Literally a parody, yes
fading spade
and big shipโข๏ธ is always trying to get one over on the little guy
The Looker Recorded Note
ashen lark
Decided to try HOI 4 after a while and smh probably not gonna do such a mistake again. Aparently the game at one point just stopped saving and lost ton of progress
fringe salmon
No Mansen, you can not buy all the houses at once on tuesday, you can only get one
solid bough
you relied purely on auto-saves?
meager stump
No Mansen, you can not buy all the houses at once on tuesday, you can only get o...
ffxiv fov sure looks nice on a widescreen monitor
solid bough
๐
bleak pike
Imagine not running a cmd file
fringe salmon
yeah imagine not wanting to connect to some randoms kms server
but yeah the scenery is very nice on an ultrawide, on the top of the kugane jumping puzzle seeing the entire city is very cool
bleak pike
but yeah the scenery is very nice on an ultrawide, on the top of the kugane jump...
Whatโs your fps
fringe salmon
depends
175 there since nothing is happening and im using vsync
but the game is mostly cpu bound so widescreen doesnt really change anything
but yeah empty housing disctrict wont be empty soon
oh and I guess I would lose some fps as I'm using gshade usually for some slight effects
solid bough
Imagine not owning your operating system
fringe salmon
just cba since I have two pcs in use currently and dont want to juggle the activation around
ashen lark
you relied purely on auto-saves?
Nope but the manual saves just didnโt work it seems
They just arenโt there
But weirdly enough auto save as well was old, the game stopped saving both completely and auto saves at some point for some reason
And I was playing as Norway without mods hystorical so just pain
solid bough
steam sync cloud error?
fading spade
I love his sarcasm at the end :')
https://youtube.com/shorts/rJiTYQQE8Go
bleak pike
oh and I guess I would lose some fps as I'm using gshade usually for some slight...
Gshade makes xiv so much better omg
Love it so much
bleak pike
I love his sarcasm at the end :')
https://youtube.com/shorts/rJiTYQQE8Go
That's a stupid video ngl XD
fading spade
He's got another entire video where he makes a basic game only on Deck
fringe salmon
I still dont understand the appeal of that
it works sure, but use a laptop or pc win a screen you can actually see shit on
fading spade
Yeah
You can dock it
He's just showing that you can because he's been getting a lot of people claim it's not possible
People who clearly don't understand that the Deck is a computer
fringe salmon
not sure where those people are since I havent seen anyone say its not possible
This time I go out on answering the question that probably nobody knew they cared about: Can you build and then run games on the steam deck alone.
idk doesnt sound to me like it was about people who claimed its not possible
ashen lark
Lol this is how my saves work great
One year in game lost
ashen lark
Hoi4 saves broken
ashen lark
No nothing new
I was playing the game
It would save
Suddenly stopped
My last working save is 1942 while I stopped playing late 1943
Which is annoying since I wasnโt playing on easy mode but historical Norway without mods
orchid prism
Never had HOI saves break. Stop using cloud, stop using ironman.
ashen lark
This time Germany took moscow but at least stalled then
ashen lark
Never had HOI saves break. Stop using cloud, stop using ironman.
I donโt use Ironman and cloud I only used for some saves ocasioanlly
orchid prism
Cloud is notorious for just straight up wiping local saves.
ashen lark
Never happened to me
feral ferry
Yeah I don't play Ironman
And my saves from years ago and different game versions, assuming the game isn't modded, hadn't broke
I had some really bad save game corruption in modded to the point where you basically had a single game session
If you try to save, it crashes. If you try to load an autosave, it crashes
But in vanilla it's always been fluid so idk what's up with your game Bex
bleak pike
Only had a single issue with the cloud saves and it was my fault
Well it wasn't
But was
small comet
so it was or wasnt
bleak pike
Save got corrupted when transferring to an SD card
feral ferry
Your fault with cloud saves is that you use them
small comet
well dont use a deck
ashen lark
Looks like best thing as Norway is to just place units into port town and in coastal provinces right next to it, having only one unit there and slowly expanding it
In 1943 got enough resources to do this
feral ferry
What
That is a shit division
You want 9 inft + 2 arty with arty and AA as support companies for basic divisions early game
When you can you make them into 30 width by adding extra arty companies
That's your infantry division
feral ferry
Motorized is pretty simple, just 20 width motorized
And armored is also simple
DO NOT USE LIGHT OR HEAVY TANKS
Literally useless
Mediums all the time
Light tanks are only useful for light tank scout support
And don't even produce heavy tanks it's worthless
Sometimes medium tank SPG's as a variant are also viable
orchid prism
Metas change so much. I'm still stuck in the old 40 width meta.
feral ferry
But you don't want more than 3 division types, army standardization
Basic inf, motorized and tanks for breakthrough
Also port guards with engineers, typically a simple 6-9 inf will do with arty support
Always go superior firepower as a doctrine, it boosts support artillery divisions ridiculously well
Unless you want to cosplay Germany, then go blitzkrieg
ashen lark
DO NOT USE LIGHT OR HEAVY TANKS
Adds armor
feral ferry
Doesn't matter
ashen lark
Canโt afford motorized I donโt have a lot of factories
feral ferry
Light tank support got nerfed
ashen lark
Doesn't matter
Well all you do as Norway is defend
feral ferry
It used to be broken OP
But they nerfed it now so light tanks are rather useless other than for scouts, even then
Do not use light tanks
Mediums are really good and meta currently
Heavies afaik never were meta
ashen lark
I can barely produce light tanks
feral ferry
Then don't build tanks
ashen lark
I have 14 military factories
ashen lark
Well I donโt have anything else to build
I have everything else I need
Like no reason for more divisions since I have enough for defense now
ashen lark
Why?
ashen lark
Yes working on that but why motorized
feral ferry
Cause CAS in this game are broken
feral ferry
Yes working on that but why motorized
Encirclements
The single most OP thing in this game that isn't CAS
ashen lark
Donโt need them in defense
If units land on my land besides main divisions they donโt have supplies
So I just watch attrition get them
And then set the 3 close divisions
feral ferry
This lad never been naval invaded
feral ferry
Initially the supply nodes don't kick in
But after a few weeks, the ports will work against you
Unless you rely on UK to provide naval supremacy
ashen lark
I never let them capture ports, the division template I have is strong enough to defend against naval landings
I just place it in naval city and tiles on each side
Sometimes they land one tile further away
But these units never have supplies and just starve without making any progress
Example of latest naval invasion
Or well itโs result
ashen lark
Germany and France tried too
Thatโs literally what you do as Norway
Defend naval invasions
feral ferry
That still doesn't mean your current division set up is good
By adding light tanks that you can't produce you are inhibiting their combat readiness
Which means combat penalties
ashen lark
Well I can produce them actually
And have nothing else to produce apart from air which I am just starting
But still it works for me
At first only was 6 infantry units but expanded it to this since I had resources
Have 100% combat readiness atm
feral ferry
Do you even know how armor works in this game
Cause that light tank is doing nothing for your army
ashen lark
All I know is that this works for me well
I have stockpile of everything because I have way less deaths than enemies defending naval
feral ferry
It increases your division width, adds a tiny amount of armor that does nothing and is weaker than an artillery or infantry for soft attack
Also you'll have to deal with extra movement and combat penalties in certain terrain types
Anything armor value below 20 is nothing, that's the current rule
ashen lark
I had caused 6.8k losses to france, they caused me 310
ashen lark
Yes rn since I am playing first time after months
ashen lark
Germany is mostly focusing on Soviet Union
Last time I played they won and focused on me way more
feral ferry
You playing historical?
ashen lark
Now they canโt take Stalingrad and stalled there
ashen lark
You playing historical?
Yes
feral ferry
Germans shouldn't win that war
ashen lark
Well I had cases where they did lol was fun as Norway
Okay as I wasnโt focusing I got 5 divisions navally invading one tile barely brought in one unit which saved me
feral ferry
Are you in the allies?
ashen lark
Nope I am independent
Time to sink some convoys before Germany brings their navy back
feral ferry
You might want to join the dday and invade denmark
Germany has no navy
UK deals with them
ashen lark
Oh they do
feral ferry
U.S will decimate them
ashen lark
Last time they brought like 5 battleships rip my navy
And once this game they defeated British navy but I had to reload save ๐ฆ so didnโt get to play outcome
Like literally naval combat of most German and British ships and Germany won
I can only afford to produce subs and have 4 cruisers so any German navy is danger
feral ferry
You only want subs
ashen lark
Germany only sent 30 naval planes again so my barley existing Air Force can still deal with them
feral ferry
Subs are broken
I don't remember but I think they nerfed the light attack only cruiser meta
Subs with best snorkel and max torps are broken
ashen lark
Lol 70k losses on Italys side 3k on mine
feral ferry
Italy is always a pushover
Idk why they are so weak
Nothing they do makes sense and they always get their ass kicked
Useless Italy is a meme at this point
feral ferry
Your subs should deal with that
If you built them well
50 subs is pretty solid
Idk why are you building cruisers and DDs
Focus on subs as a minor nation
ashen lark
Default one
feral ferry
Torp 1s???
ashen lark
16 destroyers canโt do much about
feral ferry
Destroyers don't do anything to subs
Subs are broken in the game
Don't apply logic to HoI, HoI has no logic
ashen lark
Well idk but I doubt it would make any difference seeing how much Germany has defeated me
ashen lark
Default one
ashen lark
Because before German navy appeared I sunk ton of their convoys
feral ferry
Stacked torp 4s with snorkel 2 or 3 will deal with anything
I don't comprehend
Build a proper sub build
ashen lark
Convoy sinking makes them not do naval invasions too itโs useful
small comet
no subs just doms
ashen lark
Stacked torp 4s with snorkel 2 or 3 will deal with anything
Wdym snorkel?
feral ferry
Dominos is good
feral ferry
You didn't research the snorkel?
ashen lark
Where would I research it?
feral ferry
Ship screen?
ashen lark
I donโt see snorkel there
feral ferry
Wait do you not have man the guns DLC?
ashen lark
No
ashen lark
Why am I exporting steel when I donโt have enough of it lol
solid bough
HOI4 without the dlc is kinda broken
ashen lark
Germany has too much navy for me to navally invade
vernal niche
@ashen lark
ashen lark
Whatโs your favorite song from Ben Howard?
feral ferry
I don't think he actually knows Ben Howard the artist, mate
ashen lark
I don't think he actually knows Ben Howard the artist, mate
I know
But still just to be sure
ashen lark
What artists/genres do you listen to?
vernal niche
The You Me at Six frontman also lives near my uncle in weybridge
I used to be into Indie like Bombay Bicycle Club/Two Door Cinema Club
ashen lark
You me at six that tells me something
vernal niche
nowadays itโs mostly rap
ashen lark
Oh I think waterparks are going on tour to UK with you me at six
Do you know waterparks?
vernal niche
oh are they
yeah
my rock phase is p much over tho
still appreciate that golden era of green day-esque
the pop punk childhood dream
feral ferry
Green Day
I am glad you added the -esque
Cause well
Their last album wasn't very good
ashen lark
he lives near me
Do you have the Ben Howard pound?
orchid prism
vernal niche
Do you have the Ben Howard pound? <:dogekek:846285268289323069>
u want the totnes note?
ashen lark
u want the totnes note?
They donโt make them anymore 
vernal niche
I have 4 that Ben gave to me personally
bleak pike
Hmm should i wait till later
ashen lark
I have 4 that Ben gave to me personally
I was in totnes a month ago and no more totnes pounds
Someone sells them on eBay but only 20 at once so itโs too quite overpriced
vernal niche
Is $30 worth waiting an extra day or two
yes
bleak pike
oculus store credit
bleak pike
I kinda want Dance Central 
ashen lark
wasnโt joking tho he does live near me
Pog
Ask him when is next concert
And tell him to send a totnes pound
ashen lark
I have 4 that Ben gave to me personally
Do you actually?
fading spade
I kinda want Dance Central <a:shy:854912649082961950>
I had that on Kinect
it was fun but I suck at dancing xd
It was the only game that worked 100% flawlessly with motion controls on Kinect IMO
fading spade
LOL
vernal niche
yeah lol
orchid prism
ashen lark
I have 4 that Ben gave to me personally
How much for one?
vernal niche
where do u live
ashen lark
Slovakia but about half of the year I am in Exeter and time to time go to totnes
Soonest I am in Exeter again is early September but idk when will I be in totnes
vernal niche
come to london in september ill give u one
ashen lark
Hmm not sure when will I next be to London
But if I remember will ping you or dm you then
bleak pike
@fringe salmon does mod manager for beat saber not support custom sabers anymore?
ignore me
i had to enable it
via settings to one click install
fringe salmon
sometimes mods are not there because they dev is gone or someone forgot to confirm they worked still
in those cases you just select the previous version and install that if its not a big update that changed stuff
just check in the mod discord in those cases
fringe salmon
just saying for next time its not there or so
fringe salmon
make sure to start the game once before installing mods
bleak pike
i see, i need to manual install
fringe salmon
what
fringe salmon
I thought it did have it listed lol
fringe salmon
i had to enable it
im so confused did you find it or not
fringe salmon
if you manually install it you still wont see it in the manager
trim rock
Ha
orchid prism
Jailbreak tiem
fringe salmon
so make a meta account since you said facebook account was the only part that bothered you?
bleak pike
so make a meta account since you said facebook account was the only part that bo...
They haven't released meta accounts yet
fringe salmon
lol rekt
fading spade
they also raised the price of the headset by 100 dollars
bleak pike
they also raised the price of the headset by 100 dollars
Oh how convenient, totally didn't know this when I bought it on Friday :p
fading spade
ooofff
bleak pike
Im being sarcastic
fading spade
yeh yeh xd
barren pewter
Git gud lol
feral ferry
It's not that difficult to play defense
Especially naval one
Now Poland vs Germany, that's fun
barren pewter
As Poland?
feral ferry
Yep
barren pewter
Only time I ever won doing that was a fluke
feral ferry
The big problem for Poland is that you can't mobilize enough strong troops to cover 2 fronts
You need to hold the west
barren pewter
Ended up invading Nordic lands and chilling there other than a tiny slice of northern Poland till about 1946 when I came back and took Poland again
feral ferry
You need to hold and in general get rid of Konigsberg
barren pewter
orchid prism
Poland is cheese territory. There's just no way to survive as them traditionally. ๐
feral ferry
And then germans are likely to open up a 3rd front down in czechoslovakia cause czechs always submit to puppeting
barren pewter
Yep
feral ferry
Poland is a difficult af defense country
fading spade
I come back to look in here and just see
Poland is cheese territory
๐ค
orchid prism
feral ferry
Tastes like revolution and rising up in Polish metro tunnels
fading spade
LOL
barren pewter
Tastes like revolution and rising up in Polish metro tunnels
Get your tikhar ready
feral ferry
The only way for Poland to survive is to rush kaliningrad
If kaliningrad falls you have a chance
Fuck is it Kaliningrad or Konigsberg, idk anymore
barren pewter
The only way for Poland to survive is to rush kaliningrad
Pretty much what I did, the Nordic thing was a sidestep
feral ferry
Fuck Russia I don't want to attribute Konigs to them
barren pewter
Fuck is it Kaliningrad or Konigsberg, idk anymore
Both, although by time period, should be Konigsberg
feral ferry
Nah idk what to call it nowadays
barren pewter
Kaliningrad
feral ferry
Calling it Kaliningrad would mean supporting current ownership
And I sure as hell don't support russians having Konigsberg
barren pewter
Does it have a Lithuanian name?