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[bitter sapphire]

Best Rat

[ivory tiger]

I wanted to wait for the end of the year for an OLED

Man this sucks

I am actually thinking about just getting a cheap monitor for now
OLED expensive, and I just spent much money on keebs

[bitter sapphire]

Thats fine as well

A 1440p IPS 240hz monitors are quiet cheap

[winged pewter]

theres 400 euro oleds now @ivory tiger

[ivory tiger]

Yea, I am aware, I just spent like over 500 eur on keebs the last 2 months

Would just be to much money in no time

Therefore I wanted to wait for my birthday, which is pretty late in the year, so it doesn't feel that bad to spend big moni

[ivory tiger]

Thought more of a FHD 24" cheap thing. Just to have a temporary monitor, which is being used for discord anyways

If I would get an OLED I would use my main monitor as the 2nd one

[bitter sapphire]

Ah understandable

[ivory tiger]

Like in the range of 50-80 eur

[bitter sapphire]

Just get one from an office LOL

[ivory tiger]

I will see

[proper vector]

1080p60 IPS monitor used from office you can get for like 15€

[ivory tiger]

I am kind of debating with myself, I like using the 24" to game on sometimes, so I might even keep the 24" over my main monitor when I get an OLED. Well I got the weekend to debate myself on that

Now I suffer with only one screen

[proper vector]

For gaming get at least 27", it's soooo nice

[bitter sapphire]

or get the dual mode monitors

[obtuse dove]

Could probs go to a used office supply store and get a bunch from there

Or actually, can't really beat the Walmart branded monitors ngl

[obtuse dove]

I love dual mode ngl

[ivory tiger]

Yea my main is 27"
I prefer it for most of time, just have sometimes the urge to use smaller screen

So my plan was replacing my main monitor with an OLED in the future, but guess my 2nd monitor hated me

I still don't get why it suddenly died.. never had any issues with it

[bitter sapphire]

i mean you could get an OLED now and be like me Dual 27" monitor gang

[ivory tiger]

Getting an now OLED would feel kind of bad, I shouldn't spend that much money right now.. maybe when I get the job I applied for

[proper vector]

27+32+13

[brittle belfry]

high five

[obtuse dove]

nah, this is the way

speaking of nvidia, new driver update

[gray shuttle]

Aw nice the mpreg32iux!!

Also for the record I fixed my scarlettSolo crashing

[round lagoon]

OUSADFOIHADSLHJF 25th April

FUckk soo close

If I don't get anything in 2-3 weeks I can buy this

Im gonna wait for review (not measurement, because it's a very jm1 IEM with a smol bass hump)

[round lagoon]

Audiophile be like

Context: there's an audio show/convention across the sea from my place.

[proper vector]

There's this ladder, you see, on the very bottom you have mechanical engineers, then electrical engineers, then physicists, quantum physicists, theoretical physicists, and on the very top you have audiophile dilettanti who know names of each electron that goes through their oxygen-free copper cables

[tacit linden]

I hate not having oxygen free cables, I hear the air bubbles all the time.

[vital gorge]

https://xkcd.com/435/

xkcd: Purity

On the other hand, physicists like to say physics is to math as sex is to masturbation.

[proper vector]

https://youtu.be/6Rd6ZOxEjP0?start=57 0:57 if the link won't work

[tribal shadow]

Big john particles

[elfin kayak]

wlmouse teasing new mouse

"aircraft grade materials"

[gaunt flax]

But which aircraft

If it’s Boeing that may be a step down

[heady crystal]

Boeing mouse falling apart after two minutes

[atomic lark]

Maybe Wright brothers, so out of wood

[quasi field]

By what metric can he claim «world's flattest?» 🤔

[round lagoon]

flat with jm-1 I guess? I dunno.

[frigid ivy]

https://youtube.com/shorts/yNLRr2zv2v4?si=ZP58Zl1aF2j-ZjPf

Rare to see Caleb straight up trash a headphone lmao

[lament siren]

@abstract warren two two crodski is dis tuff?

[knotty pagoda]

2 2s my word

[lament siren]

p0nz you a good yute styll stay BLESSED

[knotty pagoda]

real spill

me and my croskilicious no bizzy bap

[abstract warren]

i see you've stolen Turing's controller

I approve

[abstract warren]

3 3s styll

[lament siren]

4 4s codskiiii

[deep hawk]

Y'all having a collective stroke?

[lament siren]

mr akbar coming in with all this hate is making me stick to my stomach styll

[abstract warren]

that is the toronto experience after all

[round lagoon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAc28VfkF9g

$999, ehh

treble is off even compared to reference, and Monarch is straighter treble wise

[ivory tiger]

@bitter sapphire I did bite the bullet

I ordered that fuck ass OLED

[proper vector]

which one

[heady crystal]

[ivory tiger]

XG27AQWMG

Should arrive on Wednesday

[quasi field]

Under $1 000 and it's $999 lol

[round lagoon]

gotta get that round number view buff

[bitter sapphire]

LMAO

[ivory tiger]

I cannot live with one screen, and OLED sounds so gud

[bitter sapphire]

Noce

[vague sparrow]

Hello

[bitter sapphire]

I hope you gonna enjoy it

[ivory tiger]

I believe I will

[vague sparrow]

For me I will get oled end of the year if the world dont explode in between

[bitter sapphire]

I do have to take my time one day to setup my own monitor settings

Mostly fine tune it

[vague sparrow]

What do you mean?

For the color and stuff?

[bitter sapphire]

Brightness and some other stuff

[proper vector]

And to turn on Freesync

[bitter sapphire]

Adaptive Sync is on

[proper vector]

I love DCC/CI

[blissful gust]

It's fucking weird windows can't handle this well

Every time I use Linux i can adjust so much without needing the official software

[proper vector]

I only had problems with this when I used passive DP-HDMI adapters, other than that works pretty nice

[blissful gust]

Speaking of monitors

Still trying to justify a new one

Even if my current one gets excited and pops

[proper vector]

You can always look into used gaming IPS, for like 100 quid you can get a really good display I'd reckon

[blissful gust]

Oh hell no

If I need a new monitor I'll go all out as much as I can, it's just my brain is saying it's not died yet.... XD

[proper vector]

[lament siren]

only if you go to the unemployment side of toronto

[abstract warren]

Twos twos crodie I ain’t neva visitin styll

[rustic mesa]

So i got my kiwi ears astrals, didnt likt hem much at first but they are growing on me. What equalizer can I use? Their website doesn't seem to be working for me

[sinful swift]

just bought the L7 pro, hopefully its good smh

[junior thicket]

Peace EQ and the Equalizer APO

[vague sparrow]

ok in france to get a 9800x3D with 32 gb of ram (and motherboard) it costs more than 1000 euros

[proper vector]

Depends which motherboard too, B850s are cheap and really good

[bleak osprey]

maybe buy a 7800x3d

its not that big difference

[bleak osprey]

b650 are good too and cheaper

[winged pewter]

And depends on where u get the 9800x3d

[obtuse dove]

Copped for 350 bucks

The sale was too good I just had to

4K QD-OLED 120Hz 32 inch at Costco

Might even buy a 2nd one for my dad

[heady crystal]

That’s the professional branded QD-OLED

I don’t recall the model number

What’s the I/O like?

[obtuse dove]

If you want the model number is S3225QC

Oh shit this things got built-in speakers and Dolby Vision!?

[bleak osprey]

W asf then

[obtuse dove]

This thing is already better than my gaming monitor minus the refresh rate

[obtuse dove]

WAIT ITS GLOSSY!?

Ok yeah this was an insane deal

And it's got a webcam!?

[atomic lark]

It does not? (or you've named the wrong model number)

[obtuse dove]

It has the usual webcam hole

On the bottom bar

OUHHH you know what

That might be the distance sensor/camera

Because it has head tracked Spatial Audio

[wet coral]

not on sale at my costco and its online only

[obtuse dove]

oh wack, I got this at a physical warehouse

[ivory tiger]

I somehow miss buying things in stores

[terse ferry]

Wait its 1st gen qd oled?

[obtuse dove]

no, mfg date is july 2025

so deffo not 1st gen

1st gen QD-OLEDs are OLDDDDDDD

ok well maybe not that old

[lament siren]

doesnt matter ducky you got a good sale

dont let other people ruin your fun

nice monitor

[obtuse dove]

aye its pretty great!

[terse ferry]

So i did Google search and you got third gen qd oled

So you are fine

@obtuse dove you got even 4k so you wouldnt see so much issues with text as i do on 1440p

[quasi field]

Heldiggris

[obtuse dove]

aye!

[round lagoon]

Hmm, I might get a dac with Bluetooth function someday

[round lagoon]

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/topping-g5-review-portable-dac-hp-amp.36542/

Might get the topping g5, a little old but rated high by Amir

[patent patrol]

does it sound like 490pro

[round lagoon]

this is a dac/amp, not headphone. You don't buy a dac for sound.

[patent patrol]

but how does it compare

[round lagoon]

I dunno, you can look at the spec sheet I guess.

Hmm, I think I might go for fiio btr17 instead

cost about the same as my qx13, and I love the qx13. Considering the btr17 have battery bypass, it can prop be used as regular dac when the battery inevitably dies.

[vague sparrow]

OK I got the aful explorer

I wait to receive them

[coral stone]

just got my wooting v2

[blissful gust]

@proper vector know any monitor with a USB dock built in (qdoled)

[proper vector]

My has 2 USB-A ports
You are looking for 27" 1440p?

Looks like all Gigabyte ones have 2 USB-A ports
And pretty much all ASUS ROG have 2 or 3 USB-A ports

[bitter sapphire]

mine has 2

[winged pewter]

I think mine has 2x usba and 1x usbC

For dp over usb c

[past dome]

Real ones have usb-b

[round lagoon]

Fire

I have adjusted my hd490 eq, now I don't have any increase just decrease.

[past dome]

The forbidden port

[vital gorge]

a lot of screens used to come with it, a lot still do i guess

[obtuse dove]

My gaming monitor has that too

[obtuse dove]

A lot of the super new ones use USB-C now

Like the dell one I recently got only has USB-C

No type A or type B even

[blissful gust]

Hmm I wonder how much more though

[vivid lynx]

In my experience this is generally the port you need to plug into to update monitor firmware anyway

[kindred shore]

from my experience its the port you use to connect the usb hub and the interface software if applicable

[winged pewter]

Yep it is for me

[vivid lynx]

MSI specifically requires it. ASUS claims not to but their app is so shitty I’ve had to connect the USB-A to B cable every time

[astral musk]

Never had to update a monitor using a USB cable. It's always through a thumbdrive.

[rustic mesa]

How can I tell as a headphone user that my new iems have a good fit? I have no idea what good vs bad fits are supposed to sound/feel like

[winged pewter]

Unc monitor

[round lagoon]

if it doesn't feel like much, it's gud, if you feel annoyed wearing it after 1-2 hours it's bud

[rustic mesa]

[blissful gust]

My current monitor did updates over software

Idk how it worked

[spark agate]

glass mousepads worth it?

[astral musk]

HDMI and DP have data lines. I assume they can poke the monitor and begin a data transfer and update.

[round lagoon]

@quasi field should I set my windows volume to max? I heard it's what you need to make windows sends the full audio signal.

[quasi field]

Sure. It allows for a higher dynamic range technically. But you also probably wouldn't be able to tell. There are no real downsides to it

[round lagoon]

umu, noice, for mac I prop just do the same but I keep my dac volume at a fixed volume (going from 100/120 to 85/120 now)

Also I hope my head stop growing, I am close to maxing out my hd490's adjustment to make it a comfy fit

I mean, I could prop just bend the metal band

[quasi field]

Are you 15 or something? Your head probably isn't growing to any meaningful degree 🤔

[round lagoon]

20

[terse ferry]

@round lagoon with my dac amp 30% on windows is maximum i can listen without hearing damage

[terse ferry]

I updated my monitor with only display port

[round lagoon]

I am soo worried about hearing damage I mostly listen below 75db, even my voice is louder than the music

[terse ferry]

Technicly dac amp 30% i use would be like 110% windows

[mortal quail]

Got the wallhack SP-005 but not sure what skates to get. Does it matter if I get the dots or is it better if i get the skates that match pattern on the bottom of my G pro superlight

[olive mica]

hello someone told me it was the right channel to talk about a problem that i have

basicely when i'm moving my mouse tooo fast i see mutliple mouse icon on my screen (like a trainee) how can i fix that

[bitter sapphire]

[bitter sapphire]

can you take a vid about it

[ivory tiger]

windows setting probably

[olive mica]

i tried and i cannot

i think it's my monitor

[raven leaf]

Either your monitor is not good enough or you have the trails turned on

[bitter sapphire]

turn that off

[atomic lark]

But it is fun and quirky

[bitter sapphire]

sure

[olive mica]

was already off

[olive mica]

i have a 240hz monitor and a 60hz and on the 60hz there is less clone

took a video with my phone

first monitor is the 240hz and second one the 60hz

[terse ferry]

Are you sure cable is fine

[olive mica]

yes

[atomic lark]

I can see that on mine too

[olive mica]

it's a display port 1.4

[olive mica]

maybe it's normal then

[winged pewter]

Isnt this just normal?

[olive mica]

... maybe? i though that was not.

well sorry yall i importunate you for nothing

[quasi field]

That's normal

It's a result of the limited framerate

[olive mica]

ohhhhh ok

[olive mica]

so sorry to bother you with somthing normal

[quasi field]

https://blurbusters.com/the-stroboscopic-effect-of-finite-framerate-displays/

[olive mica]

thank you i knew for the second images but not that the mouse had the same thing

i'll sleep smarter

[winged pewter]

tbf i assumed it was fine but never questioned it

[blissful gust]

I'm too scared to disable it

I would have to refrain myself XD

@proper vector do you think the monitor I chose will be the best bang for my buck

[terse ferry]

How much money you are willing to spend tho

[blissful gust]

The monitor is £420 -10% cash back deal

429 sorry

[terse ferry]

So like 450£ max 500£?

[blissful gust]

Ideally the same price but I'm willing to hear you out with those prices

[terse ferry]

I guess any qd oled thats third gen+

[blissful gust]

Yes

Ideally

Makes sense money wise

[terse ferry]

I have mag 273QP

[blissful gust]

Mini led would be nice but they are so harshly priced or sizes I don't want

I gave up on ultra wide and returned it

[blissful gust]

I considered that but it had a weaker panel

[quasi field]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-kämpfer-toilet-anime-girl-gif-13946108258225585820

[terse ferry]

Do you want white monitor ?

Btw non white variant has 360hz if you want

[blissful gust]

Idc color wise

It's just it was cheaper

[terse ferry]

Displaywise there is no diffrence because its third gen

[tacit linden]

Best anime

[blissful gust]

From what I read it has less brightness

[terse ferry]

It is quite Bright for me already at 50%

@blissful gust you are talking about sdr or hdr

[blissful gust]

Both

[terse ferry]

There shouldnt be a diffrence tho qd oleds are quite dark compared to woleds

[blissful gust]

NVM I got mixed up

274QP is low nits even though 3rd gen

[terse ferry]

@blissful gust check how much 273qp x36 costs

[blissful gust]

Can't find it anywhere here

[terse ferry]

Gimme sec

[blissful gust]

1

[terse ferry]

271qpx

[sharp fiber]

Anyone have experience with ZMF pads vs Dekoni for Hifiman?

[blissful gust]

What's the benefits of it over the one I chose

Because it costs more

[terse ferry]

You get more hertz

[blissful gust]

Same hz

MAG 272QPW is 280hz

[terse ferry]

271qpx is 360hz

[blissful gust]

I don't need 360hz and I can't find that version

[terse ferry]

Then 240hz should be enough

[blissful gust]

Looks like it was discontinued

[proper vector]

Oh, you can still grab that 272QPW?

[blissful gust]

Kinda

10 cash back off if I use buy now pay later

So as soon as I get the 10% I'm paying it off in one go

I really wanted to just buy it 😢

[proper vector]

[blissful gust]

Worst part is I can't just get it and pay off right away

Like I did my laptop for ,20% off s year or so ago

[proper vector]

But it doesn't have USB hub

[blissful gust]

It has a USB C port at least, for power.

[terse ferry]

My 273QP doesent have usb hub

[blissful gust]

Powering devices I mean

But ye none of them will have a USB hub at this price it seems

[proper vector]

Bummer

[round lagoon]

Headphones.com has a video on differences between the headpads on hd600. Not sure if it applies to hifiman. Other wise, you can search on squig and see if there's any measurements between the headpads and stock.

[terse ferry]

@proper vector if you want usb hub, you have to buy mpg

[proper vector]

Really? And all Gigabytes have 2 USB hub

[terse ferry]

Mpgs can have kvm btw

[quasi field]

I'm willing to bet no one here has any experience using ZMF pads on Hifiman

[proper vector]

I only know that mine has 90W PD, so I can power work laptop from it

[blissful gust]

Crazy

So any other suggestions? Seems like I'm getting MAG 272QPW

Its stupid the black variant is £20 more

[proper vector]

Is a good monitor

[blissful gust]

I am kinda worried about text tbh

But I can return if needed

Do I need it though?

[ivory tiger]

needs and wants are two different things but sometimes it can't hurt to get a wants

[blissful gust]

I just got a p2s combo 😅

[ivory tiger]

if it won't rip your wallet apart or make you eat ice soup for more than 3 days it should be fine

[blissful gust]

It won't break the bank no

It's more a mental block

[vital gorge]

Plenty of screen have 90w usbc power delivery

[blissful gust]

Expensive ones sure

[vital gorge]

Not necessarily

[ivory tiger]

Yea, feel it. My second screen died on Friday and I didn't know what I should buy, either a cheap IPS just as replacement or an OLED which I wanted to get later this year anyway
Now I have a OLED arriving on Wednesday

[blissful gust]

Mine isn't quite there yet but my monitor has popped a few times and randomly gone for 👀

Last few months

[ivory tiger]

That's pretty much the state of my monitor

And this happend in like a blink

[blissful gust]

My left monitor isn't doing great either tbf, every now and then it has a fit but it's from 2014 so I can forgive it

[blissful gust]

Sadge

https://tenor.com/view/finished-elijah-wood-lord-of-the-rings-lava-fire-gif-5894611

Freesync premium pro alone will be nice

[sharp fiber]

They are super rare in europe in general but i thought i would ask

[supple crypt]

I also got the problem after turning my pc on, but i canda fixed it after cutting the power everytime i turn off my pc and monitors. Didnt got the problem in the last 6 month

[sharp fiber]

Before i pay fucking 30 in shipping and probably another 50 in import fees alone i wouldve liked to find some opinions

[quasi field]

If there are no measurements it's a super risky purchase that probably won't pay off since custom pads usually just make the sound worse

[ivory tiger]

It shows artifacts even while being plugged into only power, it won't get fixed anymore

[supple crypt]

i only got it in the past after turning my pc and screens on. it vanished after round about 5min

[ivory tiger]

It bricked while it was turned on for some hours. After restarting system, unplugging from GPU and keeping power unplugged for one night and nothing helped I gave up

[blissful gust]

https://tenor.com/view/punch-punching-laptop-rage-smashing-screen-gif-17930159

Did you try this

[ivory tiger]

Oh yea I did

I somehow fixed something on my wrist lmao

Had a ganglion cyst probably for some time which now is gone after hitting my monitor

But monitor still didn't work

[obtuse dove]

Wish it was 100W PD :(

Or even better, 140W

To fully power my MacBook Pro

[round lagoon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfQWt1LEVkg

I guess this is my way to get a cheap oled in South East Asia

[sharp fiber]

I ordered Dekoni, if i dislike it i can send that back and will see how it performs. But a pad cannot inherently make a sound 'worse', its basically a tuning tool that can be remedied with EQ. Im just looking for a nicer endgame pad for HE1000se

[quasi field]

Not inherently but usually on decent headphones aftermarket pads just makes the sound worse. On my Astros I tried some pads that made the sound into one of the worst things I had ever heard and trying to remedy it with EQ actually had me hit the volume limit of the headphones

[sharp fiber]

Lol

I am nowhere near my volume limit so no worries and i usually also run a -6.6dB preamp either way

Plenty of power headroom, but i will just have to try myself how these pads sound

[quasi field]

That's how bad they were

Cannot believe they would even sell that

[junior thicket]

So, Im kinda curious but which Open Back Headphones have nice Separation and Soundstage for Gaming? I had the Mangird Tea Pros which were insane but they sadly had a very odd problem and got muddy sound after extended use. I have since then gotten DT990 Pros (i know theyre pretty terrible but i wanted something open and comfy for the time being) but noticed the sound staging is so bad you feel like you are using hearing aids...

So in Short -> IEM User looking for good open back headsets with seperation, and soundstaging to be able to hear footsteps and info ingame

Are the HD490 Pros actually that good?

[quasi field]

They are some of the best headphones out there imo. Though just remember that soundstage and separation are both ultimately frequency response phenomena. You can EQ a DT990 Pro to have better «soundstage and separation» etc.

@round lagoon has the 490 Pros

[junior thicket]

Do find them getting uncomfy over time as well, but I havent had them for too long so that might just be my IEM ears not being used to wearing over ears for so long

Might Try EQing them then, still curious about the HD490 Pros then, thx for referring to someone that owns them :)

[elfin kayak]

he's never heard of the HKC gs27qks then, only 1900 yuan, cheapest 27 oled in china

[sharp fiber]

I tried HD490, 770/990 pro, 700/990Pro and 1990Pro mk2
HD600/650 and listened to HD800 not as extensively
Grell OAE2, Arya Stealth V3, Arya Organic and HE1000se

All of them tested for 3-4 weeks at a time, HD490 is good for what you pay, if you want a honest 'stop spending here' recommendation i would say the Arya Organic can easily be your engame. Imaging is insane and Soundstage is wider than V3, more comfortable than any BD or Sennheiser and it also blows all of them out of the water for gaming.

I stuck with HE1000se as my engame because its truly another big step up and i found it to excel in everything i threw at it.

A lot of blind testing was involed, especially in gaming

EQ is important for any headphone

[round lagoon]

Personal preference but after EQ to account for my hrtf (the fact that certain high frequency will cause my ears hurt hearing it), it's the most perfect headphone comfort and sound wise to me. More on the comfort cause when I try hd600, hd800, couple of beyer. All of them feels sorta uncomfortable compared to the hd490.

[sharp fiber]

They are also heavily dependent on the driver, you cant EQ a headphone to have the same soundstage/imaging as another with a better driver

[sharp fiber]

And then you try Hifiman and realise you never knew what comfort was and suddenly you gain actual imaging and soundstage too, HD800 was long dethroned imo

Nothing beats that headband. You just stop noticing them, they float on your head

[round lagoon]

I avoid hifiman despite it being there because they're not known for build quality. At least with senny I can have spare parts

[sharp fiber]

Bullshit

Also they give spare parts

I have had enough hifiman now that their build quality is good. They also feel so much better built than Sennheiser/Beyer Dynamic and this commonly repeated bs claim that they have bad build quality is just unfounded, i have never seen reasoning for it just that statement alone (granted, i never tried any budget hifimans)

And they are easy to take apart and swap out parts, not that there is much to swap they are constructed pretty simple

[junior thicket]

I appreciate you guys :) I don't want to spend all that much but will keep your feedback in mind. I was playing with the idea of getting iems again but I'm not quite certain. I do remember feeling like I've been sleeping audio wise before that. I'll probably get the 490s simply because they're not that much of a spending - if I ever feel like they're not enough I'll look into the Arya organics :)

[sharp fiber]

490 is pretty nice, especially with Oratory 1990 EQ modified to your liking

[junior thicket]

I never really touched EQ since I'm using the K11 and wasn't certain how those aspects interact, I always just tried finding the most neutral filter for them

[sharp fiber]

No harm in trying

[bitter sapphire]

Cloud 2 is still my favorite headset to this day

[sharp fiber]

Equalizer APO with peace gui is goated

[junior thicket]

Yea I passed that recommendation to someone yesterday xD

[sharp fiber]

Tried, the bar is just very low for headsets sadly lol

[junior thicket]

Might do that in the future for sure

[bitter sapphire]

I could not care about audio quality

[sharp fiber]

Lol

[bitter sapphire]

I loved my wireless Roccat headset as well and now i love my Zero:reds iem

[bitter sapphire]

@proper vector i know you are interested in this game

[ivory tiger]

@bitter sapphire monitor comes today

[bitter sapphire]

Nice

[proper vector]

monitor

[quasi field]

What do you mean by better driver in this case?

[quasi field]

A problem I had with them is that they would all get scratched when adjusting the height of the headband

@round lagoon new Sennheisers just dropped https://www.soundguys.com/sennheiser-hd-480-pro-review-155534/

[round lagoon]

Holy fuck

[tacit linden]

Sometimes I don't want to look at headphones because I'll just want to buy it

But I only have 1 head

[round lagoon]

That's not bad

4-5khz dip kinda worries me but overall. This makes for a nice closed back alternate

But I'm still firm on getting the crinear reference, I already decide that it'll be my on the go/isolated version of hd490

[tacit linden]

Sennheiser should make something nice around the 1000 euro range, currently they have nothing between like 500 and 2000. It's either the 600 series or 800, nothing in between?

[quasi field]

Honestly they don't have many ways to improve on their cheaper options so I'm not sure if any 1k euro Sennheiser would even be better than their best cheaper ones

[tacit linden]

I just want the HD800S form without spending 2000 euro!

[quasi field]

I think the cheaper ones are better than HD800S for example. 560S and 490 Pro mog 800S

[round lagoon]

Hd490 pro. The base is very much similar with one of the pads.

[quasi field]

But they are also newer

[tacit linden]

I almost bought the HD490 Pro a while back

[round lagoon]

Also mogs it comfort wise imo

[quasi field]

Yeah 800S was not comfortable to me at all. 560S needed some time to loosen up the clamp as well but overall preferred it for comfort. Never tried the 490 Pro however

[round lagoon]

I never tried the 560 also, considering I already have 490 which the base tuning is also very similar with one of thr pads

[sharp fiber]

Thats genuinely not an issue tho? And if you adjust it carefully nothing happens, even if you did adjust it constantly (why would you?) It just... doesnt matter

[patent patrol]

closed 🤬

[quasi field]

I barely ever adjusted mine and they still instantly got the scratches

[vague sparrow]

https://wallhack.com/pages/ghost-in-the-shell

[quasi field]

Yay!

[round lagoon]

Could be their chance to make a nice closed back

[patent patrol]

can they make a new gaming headset

just put a mic on the 480 or sum

[quasi field]

I like the isolation. And if you don't EQ the added bass from being closed is very nice

[quasi field]

Would be nice if wireless

[round lagoon]

If I get it I prop just EQ the treble to hd490 lmao

[patent patrol]

can i mod my 490s with 3d printed sides

looks the same

[round lagoon]

I mean, you can.

But idk if it'll be good

[patent patrol]

i can eq them to good

[quasi field]

https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExa2IxazdtaWR0ODdtMTBhaWxjdzJhdWFkMXdvbmR5aHFoemRvem9yNSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/QAIz6S9Zx8BeZZ8NZI/giphy.gif

[round lagoon]

Then dew it

[patent patrol]

no

i don't like closed

[sharp fiber]

Exactly that?

[sharp fiber]

Hifiman > Sennheiser

[bitter sapphire]

Temu gaming headsets > hifiman

[patent patrol]

better build for sure

[vague sparrow]

Action gaming set exists?

[quasi field]

What makes a driver better at soundstage than another beyond frequency response? If there's a highly destructive resonance or something (MDR-Z1R) then that of course is bad, but logically a Sennheiser HD560S can have exactly the same soundstage as a Hifiman after EQ

[rustic mesa]

[quasi field]

Personally I don't really hear soundstage. So the HD800S and the Hifimans I owned didn't sound expansive or these words. Instead they just sounded like they had a somewhat compromised sound (not very neutral/hi-fi). Though the Hifimans were usually not bad, but never did they give me as satisfying results after EQ than much cheaper Sennheiser headphones

[round lagoon]

I don't know man, I can't see that much of a difference other than hd490 having smoother line. And like you can get 490 at $400 meanwhile the hifiman is like $1.2k+

[patent patrol]

iems got best soundstage

[sharp fiber]

Nice ragebait

[sharp fiber]

Just factually wrong unless we are talking 2000+€ vs 500€ headphones

[sharp fiber]

Bro are you trolling? You dont compare headphone quality with fr curve

[patent patrol]

[sharp fiber]

The actual driver response, imaging and soundstage are not measurable truly

[patent patrol]

yall know how to get better soundstage

get many speakers

[quasi field]

Headphone show had their HRTF measured and with that EQed HD600 to have the same soundstage as HD800S on their head

[round lagoon]

there it is, finally an opinion that discredit their whole response. At this point there's not really much to bother. I can agree if it's build quality, longevity, and comfort, not sound.

[sharp fiber]

Lol

[bitter sapphire]

[sharp fiber]

FR curve is a single component of a whole, its something to take into account, but as someoen WHO HAS ACTUALLY HAD HD490, Organic, HEKSE and compared them, just because the FR curve is the same doesnt mean they have the same soundstage/imaging😂 thats genuinely hilarious

[rustic mesa]

Any reccomendations for tips? I don't think I like the standard kiwi ears ones as they constantly feel like they're falling out and not really sealing properly (i have no idea what a good seal is supposed to feel like).

[sharp fiber]

I tried so, so many headphones especially in blind tests ingame also with other people with an without EQ

[quasi field]

If the FR genuinely is the same then the soundstage and imaging will also be the same. The problem is that the FR is not actually the same on your head as doing this would require you to measure both of them while on your own head and then EQ based on that

[patent patrol]

your cpu changes your game audio

[quasi field]

And EQing by ear will not be anywhere near accurate enough

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1173664047850344498/1483372913917956135/twitter_2033687100587995490.gif

[bitter sapphire]

Imagine caring about audio quality

[round lagoon]

Good seal to me is when it's there and it doesn't casue discomfort by pushing your ear hole outward. Maybe you can try different size eartips if it doesn't seal well

[quasi field]

Funnily enough what made me start caring about audio quality was the WH-1000XM3 because it sounded so good to me but now I think it sounds bad

[rustic mesa]

What do you mean by pushing ear hole outward? I'm using the medium sized ear tips that were provided but I'm not sure if its right. Feel like im constantly adjusting them. The large ones seem way too large and basically feel like they are about to fall out

[round lagoon]

It seems like your ear is pushing the eartips away lmao. Or you don't push it in enough

I push it in so that most of the tip's head is in my ear.

[bitter sapphire]

Yea thats sounds valid

[sharp fiber]

Simply NOT true

[proper vector]

[gray shuttle]

Gib poppekorne

[bitter sapphire]

I mean i jumped around with 80€-150€-60€ headsets and than i stopped at my 60$ Zero:Reds as my favorite iem sound vise

[rustic mesa]

That's what I do aswell, after like a bit it seems like its pushed outward again and I have to readjust it a bit more inward. Would I need like more grippy eartips? If thats even a thing

[round lagoon]

Probably, you can try tangzu sancai tip, any type would do, I found that it grips my ear while giving me breathability. Other eartips kinda just make my ear feel trapped.

[quasi field]

I remember owning it and Hifiman Arya ($1 600~) simultanously and I remember actually preferring listening to the Sony since at least they were fun. That's before I was into EQing though which is why the Arya wasn't good sounding

[bitter sapphire]

For me Cloud 2, Roccat Syn Pro Air and now Zero:Reds sounds the same

[rustic mesa]

https://amzn.eu/d/0boUSgxL

These?

[round lagoon]

there's one without metal, go for standard/balance.

but it doesn't matter much, it still the same texture on the head

[rustic mesa]

Its the one with stainless steel it says in dutch, if that's what you meant

[gray shuttle]

Your dutch is showing

[quasi field]

Looking at this it makes total sense to me that I preferred the Sony

[round lagoon]

I used the metal and the standard bore, so just go with the cheapest available lmao

[gray shuttle]

Oh I have these exact ones actually

[bitter sapphire]

So you liked the sony bc the higher start and lower end ?

[rustic mesa]

I'll order them, thank you so much 🙏

If it doesn't fit or work im returning the whole thing, such a hassle

[round lagoon]

lmao, fair

[gray shuttle]

They're really nice

Tbh

[rustic mesa]

The exact same ones?

[quasi field]

Because I'd rather have a lack in amplitude around 2 to 6 kHz than «no bass». One of these makes music sound worse than the other to me

[tacit linden]

Go to hospital to get clogged ears cleaned
Use IEMs for 30 minutes
Need to go to hospital to clean clogged ears again

I just can't with IEMs.

[quasi field]

I clean my ears every time I shower

[round lagoon]

it's fine, IEM is not for everybody, at least good closed back with ANC to help with sound isolation exist

[gray shuttle]

Mine just have the gold plating on the steel bits

But they're the same shape 100% and brand

Lemme find the link if you want

[rustic mesa]

I've been using the xm4's for a couple of years now, but they're so crusty at this point that I was looking for an upgrade/replacement

[gray shuttle]

https://a.aliexpress.com/_EwmLyLU

[bitter sapphire]

I would pick up a headphone/headset if my ears would not cook them self under it

[jovial moth]

Bread

[gray shuttle]

These are mine, since I knew my size I could skip the all sizes package

[bitter sapphire]

Regardless of earcups

[quasi field]

This is why I would never buy electrostatic headphones. Because there is no real benefit with them. They are clunky, expensive and require special gear for absolutely no acoustic benefit

When you realise the alledged speed and such isn't really a thing, that technology just ends up having almost no reason to exist

[tacit linden]

Anyone bought the Corsair Xeneon Edge? What do you use it for? Is the screen plastic or glass I can't find any info on that.

[past dome]

Isn't that the one that's flat and can curve?

[tacit linden]

No, their newer like super small one.

Like 14" or whatever it is.

[past dome]

Is it a touchscreen?

Tbh I don't see the point of it

[proper vector]

Yeah

Oh, it's way cheaper than I thought

[past dome]

Probably not oled?

[tacit linden]

No, VA panel 60Hz.

But for me with no space for a multi monitor setup this could fit under my normal monitor.

[tacit linden]

Yeah, 5 point touch.

[proper vector]

AHVA is IPS

[past dome]

You could use it almost like a stream deck

[proper vector]

To be honest I'm amazed by the price, display alone on Ali costs 3/4 of the price of Edge

[round schooner]

32gb ddr5 is cheaper than a asus rog oled monitor

[tacit linden]

If you install the software you can have some of it be a stream deck if you want, but my plan was to use it without any corsair software and just use as a monitor.

[round schooner]

by 100 chf

[sharp fiber]

How well a driver responds to EQ doesnt have a metric, Imaging doesnt have a metric, Soundstage doesnt have a metric.

All a FR curve tells you how they come tuned out of the box. You could have 2 theoretical headphones that have the same FR curve, lets say one planar and dynamic, and lets say one of them has a superior driver, its possible with EQ it will respond a lot better.

Also, ALL OF AUDIO is PURELY subjective. Its LITERALLY the only metric. Thats why i did soooo many hours of blind testing with myself and others, to actually quantify especially imaging and soundstage performance in gaming, because all you can ever and will ever find are subjective views on it. Thats why i took at least 3 weeks per headphone to really see for myself.

People who overly rely on the FR curve beyond anything more than a shallow first look before actually trying it will never get it

[tacit linden]

Hmm, I read it was having a regular VA panel, IPS is kinda worse for me I hate IPS glow.

[sharp fiber]

Genuinely genius ragebait

[quasi field]

You really have to explain what you mean by superior driver. If they have the identical frequency response, and assuming both have inaudible levels of distortion, then what is the difference between the superior one and the other?

[proper vector]

On Corsair website they say it's AHVA, it's some new kind of proprietary IPS

[gray shuttle]

Huh, what is this?

[tacit linden]

Still tempting, worst case if it looks like ass I can just send it back.

[gray shuttle]

Is this a case monitor thing?

[proper vector]

But yeah, they took this, stuffed it in the case and done

[tacit linden]

https://www.corsair.com/se/sv/p/monitors/cc-9011306-ww/xeneon-edge-14-5-lcd-touchscreen-cc-9011306-ww

[gray shuttle]

Oh

To like place above your keyboard huh

[tacit linden]

Can use in cases that have 360mm mounting or on your desk or monitor arm etc.

[astral musk]

Pointing screen Oh Sweden.

[tacit linden]

That was my plan, yeah.

[proper vector]

For all your Java/.NET coding needs

[tacit linden]

Like this

[gray shuttle]

Oh kinda neat

But not nearly worth the 300ish euros imo

[proper vector]

Screen alone costs like 3/4 of the price

[sharp fiber]

I find it very hard to describe beyond what i have heard before online and never believed it, until i actually tried and noticed that especially planars, specifically hifimans, just respond sooo much better to eq. Its obviously a journey, since you yourself said you dont 'hear' soundstage, i personally hear quite a few differences and especially am used to hearing differences in imaging because of competetive gaming, i quickly found what i need and personally prefer as well as what gives me the best ability to determine where a sound is coming from and to seperate it from all other sounds. V3 teased me, Organic fixed some of the imaging issues especially in the front msybe 60-90 degrees and He1000se is just perfection

[tacit linden]

Pretty much but I think the Edge has regular HDMI and not mini? I could be wrong.

[proper vector]

I'm pretty sure you can find one with full HDMI driver board on Ali too

[tacit linden]

Probably, aliexpress has everything 😄

[gray shuttle]

I was considering mounting a portable screen on my mic arm tbh

[round lagoon]

If you change all of the words to cable, it doesn't make a difference.

Cable that cost $1k makes headphone sounds soo much better because it's superior. No, you can't see it in measurement, you gotta try it. Obv, it's a journey, since you need have golden ears like mine that's trained to detect differences between cable. Pure copper is pure, Silver makes the rock genre sounds better. But the best of all is Gold and Silver mix encased in a space grade leather.

That's what this sounds like to me.

[tacit linden]

I use my tablet atm as a secondary screen when I need it.

[sharp fiber]

Strawman

[gray shuttle]

Actually I have a question friends

I'm looking for a small clip on thing maybe to ALSO mount my webcam to my røde psa1+

Does that even exist?

[round lagoon]

It's alright, but I can't really take you seriously if you deny measurement lmao.

[sharp fiber]

I dont.

[round lagoon]

then headphone with the same fr sounds the same

[tacit linden]

I'm sorry the earthquake hit your area

[gray shuttle]

Listen

I am in the process of inventing shit

[sharp fiber]

No, you are ignoring driver position, size, pad, clamp, openness

[tacit linden]

Totes

[gray shuttle]

Something like this but with the typical big mic screw/bolthole and a clip

[quasi field]

It's normal not to hear soundstage. I only hear it in surround setups. I don't actually find Hifimans to work that well with EQ because I have always had sharpness issues with them in high treble I wasn't able to fix

Funnily enough when I tried the HE1000SE I hated it and ranked it the lowest

[gray shuttle]

This might be it

[tacit linden]

Has a knob

[round lagoon]

not the nipple kind though

[quasi field]

Driver position, earpads and clamp change FR, hence why if FR is the same these things stop mattering for sound
Openess has nothing to do with the actual sound the drivers are reprodrucing

[gray shuttle]

I think all those screw holes are the size of your standard mic/webcam bolt

[gray shuttle]

I ordered this

[tacit linden]

Spending money is always fun

[gray shuttle]

Only 16 buckaroos luckily

[vital gorge]

they are not expensive, first find: https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005004071338427.html

[sharp fiber]

Interesting. Though what does speak for all of them now is that they are all cheaper.
I assume you are judging purely how much you enjoyed them for listening, yes?

[proper vector]

That's 8.8 inch with smaller resolution and no touch
The one in Corsair thingy is 2560x720 14.5"

[vital gorge]

ohyeah thats bigger. 12.6 inch (1920x515) with touch is €150

[bitter sapphire]

Hmm that corsair thingy looks fun

[frigid ivy]

https://www.soundguys.com/sennheiser-hd-480-pro-review-155534/

[ivory tiger]

@bitter sapphire I've set up my OLED

[heady crystal]

[patent patrol]

ooooo

[proper vector]

[bitter sapphire]

Nice

Enjoy it

[ivory tiger]

I am finally back on two screens

[terse ferry]

Is it in sRGB?

[ivory tiger]

This what you want to know?

[patent patrol]

24inch oled this year maybee

[blissful gust]

24"?

Who uses a monitor that small

[ivory tiger]

I did

Well not anymore cuz it died

[vague sparrow]

competitive gamer I guess

[patent patrol]

i wish i could again

27 still feels too big

[bitter sapphire]

i love using 2 27"

[patent patrol]

im using 2 rn aswell but not happy

i need 2 setups or sum

[frigid ivy]

I'm over esport gaming, gonna probably go 32s in the future

[round lagoon]

32 is nice for rhythm gaming

[patent patrol]

i gotta be good atleast once

[frigid ivy]

Just sucks that I'll need a 80/90 class card

@round lagoon are you going to get the 480 pros?

[round lagoon]

no, I wanna get Crinear Reference

[frigid ivy]

Ooo

I kinda want as a iem use case but cannot justify it

[round lagoon]

I wait for review, maybe by June I get it. If I wanna be safe, I be visiting city on December to go to the same place where I try hd800, maybe they have one I can try (they do have the daybreak)

[frigid ivy]

And I'm really enjoying the D1 to be window shopping kek

Yeah daybreak might be cheap enough to be a casual buy

And close enough to jm1

[ivory tiger]

@bitter sapphire now I actually understand what "glossy" means, it's almost like a mirror lmaooo
I love it

[bitter sapphire]

YES

[round lagoon]

Hopefully unlike hd490, there isn't any weird HRTF where I need to eq problematic spike lmao (I mean, it's IEM, there's no issue with dat)

Can't wait to see what peeps think of hd480, I'm hoping the Pro Division of Senny do cool improvement while the Consumer side is... idk, trying to exist.

[frigid ivy]

It looks pretty normal tuned but treble could be beyer-ish

[round lagoon]

It has less treble than hd490 actually

[frigid ivy]

It does but it's the overall shape and balance

7-8 kHz kinda sticks out

[round lagoon]

(no 480 on there yet) but then

Idk where to find soundguy squig, though I do hope other headphone reviewer take a look at this soon

[frigid ivy]

Hoping for some more measurements soon

[round lagoon]

I wonder if the headpads on the 480 is the same as 490, as in the mounting system

It could be an interesting experiment to fit 490 pads on 480 and vise versa.

looks to be about the same

even when attached back it's the same

then the moment later they reused 490 footage lmao

I mean, I can prop just buy the headpads lmao.

[ivory tiger]

@round lagoon may I ask if you work in audio industry or something? Or is this just a big hobby of yours?

[round lagoon]

Hobby

But it'll be my wish to work in one.

[ivory tiger]

Thought so, but I wouldn't be surprised if you would work in the audio industry

[frigid ivy]

I mean plenty of hobbyist become the industry themselves

Unless you have an acoustic engineer degree

Then maybe work at the bigger companies

[ivory tiger]

Of course, I was just curious

[frigid ivy]

Someone traced the soundguy measurements to a normal graph

@round lagoon

[round lagoon]

Ehh, just gonna look at it with a healthy dose of skepticism

[frigid ivy]

That bass is booty, literally

[round lagoon]

Overall, treble same level (very noice), the mids is same, can't say much about bass because I want it flat. (compared to hd490)

[round lagoon]

I just realized

Crinear Reference cost as much as the monitor I have now. Plus almost as much as 4k mini led monitor in Taobao

[quasi field]

I judged them on neutrality (fidelity), but that is 1=1 with my enjoyment

[quasi field]

What a stupid reason

Just sounds like low confidence to me

[astral musk]

[crude talon]

they won’t let you hear the frequency response it’s very secret

[quasi field]

We have very strict sound signature IP
WHAT does this even mean

Wooting won't publish input latency numbers because cheap Chinese knock off keyboards might try to replace it. They have a very strict input latency IP

[crude talon]

his brain so smooth I’m jealous

[frigid ivy]

Rip it's a lifestyle headphone

[sharp fiber]

Lol yeah not like people wont test for it

[sharp fiber]

Ah okay, same genuinely im not a basshead and i found hekse to be quite true to reality

[quasi field]

They were not neutral in the bass at all to me. Far too little

Most people need a bass boost for a neutral sound

Including me

Confirmed with the Harman tests as well

That's a major reason why Organic sounded much better to me than HE

I even bought the Organic (though quickly regretted it)

[quasi field]

He deleted the posts now

[obtuse dove]

That's just AirPods Max

[obtuse dove]

Bro what

[quasi field]

Copyrighted frequency response

[sharp fiber]

Wdym? Harman is not neutral

[quasi field]

I'd argue it's the most neutral over-ear target for the most people

[sharp fiber]

WHAT

[quasi field]

The bass shelf is necessary for it to be neutral to the most people

[sharp fiber]

Thats not what neutral means

At all

Genuinely like what?

Its a statistically peferred fr for maybe 60% of people thats it

[quasi field]

Look at what Sean Olive himself said:

I think it is well established that flat bass in a headphone or in-room response of a loudspeaker is NOT neutral. We’ve had trained listeners draw the perceived spectral balance of these targets and they are perceived as not flat.

Also:

Toole spent 10 years having listeners rate loudspeaker based on perceived fidelity/neutrality. When we switched to preference, the loudspeakers ratings didn’t suddenly change. There is a high correlation between fidelity/neutrality/ preference.

[sharp fiber]

Its a lot of bass boost

[quasi field]

It's the most statistically sound target out there as backed up by listening tests

[sharp fiber]

Harman is obviously also not the only reference we can use, but saying Harman is neutral is just an opinion

[sharp fiber]

Statistically it is the most universally well LIKED tuning, but thats not what neutrality means

[quasi field]

Flat bass is not neutral to most people

[patent patrol]

complicated topic

[quasi field]

There is a high correlation between fidelity/neutrality/preference

My Astros EQed to Harman with slight adjustment for preference sounds very very close to my loudspeakers that are calibrated to be neutral

It translates extremely well between the two

[sharp fiber]

We are talking, at most, statistically, 2/3 of people peferring harman

[quasi field]

That's very significant. Better than others

[sharp fiber]

If you fall into that, great, but hell if i stand here saying it applies to everyone, thats why i will always argue everyone should EQ for themselves, their needs and enjoyment

[quasi field]

That's why I'm saying to most. The target that would be the most neutral to most people is Harman. But since it's not for everyone, EQ is needed to satisfy everyone. That's a major point of the Harman target in the first place

[sharp fiber]

Also, FR curve still does not tell the whole story. Harmonic distortion being a big factor between headphones, as well as transient response

Also, if your FR curve doesnt take the phase into account, yet another difference where 2 identical fr curves differ greatly

[sharp fiber]

It is not most NEUTRAL to people. It is trying to EMULATE neutrality on something other than speakers

Also, Audio is not something where we are searching for a UNIFIED solution for everyone, that would be horrible and barely being over 50% is not enough to say most people

[quasi field]

What? What does emulate neutrality mean? If it's neutral it's neutral

[sharp fiber]

Its not neutral

[quasi field]

I only need minor changes after EQing to Harman across a variety of headphones to make them sound like my neutral loudspeakers

[quasi field]

What are you basing that on?

[sharp fiber]

It tries to fake neutrality in Headphones/IEMs because of the driver angle greatly changing how frequencies are filtered by the shape of our ear vs actual monitors

Until it sounds like your neutral

[quasi field]

«faking neutrality» makes no sense to me as a concept

[sharp fiber]

But overreliance on the harman curve genuinely is just ignoring that with good estimates you target maybe just about half of the population, i dont see the point

[quasi field]

Transient response is related to the frequency response. Change the frequency response with EQ and the transient response changes

Also distortion isn't a big deal in most headphones. Rtings did a test lately

[sharp fiber]

Transient response can be considered in a FR test but doesnt have to be

[quasi field]

I'm not overrelying on it. I agree and champion the fact that personalised EQ is important. But it doesn't change that Harman is the most neutral baseline/target to the most people which is what I'm saying

[bitter sapphire]

when you guys sending this images most of the time the gray line is based on Harman

[quasi field]

No

[frigid ivy]

Nah that's tilted diffuse field

[bitter sapphire]

atleast thats what i see 5/10 times

[quasi field]

That's diffuse field. YUCK. Though tilted at least

[sharp fiber]

Also, most FR curves never take the phase into account, only the amplitude

Huge factor

Its just not black and white

[frigid ivy]

Eq messes with the phase as well so it's not a perfect fix for some headphones

[sharp fiber]

It doesnt work like that, as soon as you over generalize you start to be wrong more and more

[patent patrol]

my brain just eqs to my liking

[sharp fiber]

Yes

[quasi field]

Anytime you EQ it changes the phase yes and that's by design

A different frequency response has a different phase unless using some filter that avoids this (which you don't because it's pointless for audio)

[quasi field]

It's already being measured. When they measure they measure the impulse response. So transient response is already a part of the FR

«transients» «phase» etc. are just things I recommend you ignore when talking about headphones

These terms mostly just get used as a way to make people think they are missing out on something when not buying four digit headphones

[quasi field]

This is going to be the new go-to budget dac/amp since it costs only around $100 assuming there are no issues

[round lagoon]

Very cool. I kinda want this but as a dongle enjoyer I prop gonna get something smol

If it support ASIO it might be just what I want for a desktop setup

[fiery surge]

what tends to be more aesthetically pleasing to the eye if I am planning on buying a black mousepad with some designs in white over it.

A black plastic case wooting 80he with white keycaps, or a white plastic case wooting 80he with black keycaps

i currently have a stock black wooting80he and i guess im looking to make my setup look a bit more than just a pure black setup.

or well.. avoid it being as pure black as possible.

[patent patrol]

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FixupX · Apr 22, 2026, 10:22 AM

[round lagoon]

$650

waow

$440 (3000 yuan) on taobao

[patent patrol]

anime girl price

[deep hawk]

I'm in the market for a new DAC, but not at that price

[round lagoon]

ooo, how much you're willing to spend?

Also any particular feature/characteristic that you want?

[patent patrol]

fiio k11

[deep hawk]

Need two of these type audio outs for my speakers, but that's about the extent of my requirements

[proper vector]

Get FiiO K11, great all-rounder

[patent patrol]

lol

[patent patrol]

gg

[proper vector]

[patent patrol]

no k11

[proper vector]

FiiO K9 has 2 XLR out

nvm, expensive

[deep hawk]

This is my current one
https://www.bax-shop.nl/externe-audio-interfaces/devine-centro-2i2o-audio-interface

[round lagoon]

https://www.toppingaudio.com/product-item/dx5-ii?tab=overview Maybe this?

[deep hawk]

I have an annoying bug where the speakers will cut out occasionally, until I power cycle it. I suspected it's related to some kind of short circuit, but I had the thing RMA'd and they replaced the PCBA but the issue persists

[round lagoon]

https://www.fiio.com/k13r2r Also this one

[heady zenith]

i too use audio

[deep hawk]

I'd prefer to spend about 100 euros... I could stretch that a bit, but 320 seems unreasonable

[round lagoon]

I see

[deep hawk]

It is nice looking though

Its value to me is "the potential of eliminating this occasional frustration of the speaker cutting out" but I neither know for sure that replacing the DAC will resolve it (maybe it's a problem with the speakers themselves?) nor do I particularly want to invest in improving sound quality/fidelity

[heady zenith]

debatable that it even does noticably

lol

[round lagoon]

https://www.smsl-audio.com/portal/product/detail/id/830.html

[deep hawk]

Not to my beaten and battered ear drums

[round lagoon]

$130 usd

[deep hawk]

This looks like a brick

I like it

[round lagoon]

there's also SMSL DL100 if you're willing to spend close to $200

[deep hawk]

What's the difference?

Other than the former being a cerfied chonker

[round lagoon]

A remote and much more output power

Actually just more power

I'm not sure how much your speaker need, but if it's okay with 4Vrms, the cheaper one is good enough

[deep hawk]

Don't think I have use for more power

Let me see if I can look up what speakers I have

https://www.krkmusic.com/products/classic-7-powered-studio-monitor

[round lagoon]

It's active, which means you'll be fine with the cheaper one

[deep hawk]

Cool

[terse ferry]

How headphones xlr work?

[proper vector]

[terse ferry]

So basicly like mic xlr?

[proper vector]

Basically

[terse ferry]

I use dongle dac thats all i need

[round lagoon]

headphone can also xlr, mine has one and it has 4 pin to make L and R balanced without 2 cable

Well I guess anything can xlr since it's just audio

[gray shuttle]

Mine are both female and the holes are all three hot :s

[obtuse dove]

aome also provide phantom power so be careful lol

dont wanna shove phantom power into your headphones by accident LMAO

[round lagoon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GfgM96LM5A

[supple robin]

i genuinley thought these were neutrons and proton quirks lol

[round lagoon]

Seems like hd600 is more bassy than 550. And 550 more natural

[quasi field]

They're fairly similar

[round lagoon]

berry similar

[tacit linden]

Ducky Outlaw65 is on sale here for 90 euro, I almost want to buy it just because.

Anyone got one?

[mortal quail]

Got a lisitng on the Asus ROG Strix XG27AQDMG 27" Gaming QHD OLED 240Hz for £369 on amazon

Wondering if anyone has this monitor or knows if there are any better monitors at a similar price

[quasi field]

That masculine urge to get a CRT again but a smaller one this time

[fringe yacht]

umm that's a nerd itch, and nerds usually aren't exactly known for much masculine traits 😏

[wet coral]

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X · Apr 22, 2026, 5:57 PM

[rustic mesa]

@round lagoon I think these new tips finally gave a better seal

Still not sure

but they sit pretty secure and deep now

Cant hear the rubbing finger test thingie

So i'm boldly assuming that this is right

And that i won't miss out on the actual good audio by being dumb

[wispy blaze]

xray

👀

[twilit flame]

I have it, it has pretty nasty black crunch in all its color modes but using an sdr mode makes it absolutely kill all black level detail

[mortal quail]

I have no idea what you just said to me

Was that positive or negative

Thanks tho 😭

[twilit flame]

Negative

[mortal quail]

Ahhh ok

I have not got it yet

It is just outrageously cheap for the brand

[round lagoon]

As long as it's comfy

Very noice

[gray shuttle]

Anyone with a Pulsar Xlite v2? I had to put stock skates back on because the clearance was just too low without them. Will this give problems?

[hazy fiber]

can cause LOD issues

[gray shuttle]

Hmm

Which mouse do you use, Shafie?

[hazy fiber]

pulsar x2 crazylight or viper v3

[gray shuttle]

So that's uh, basically the newest xlite evolution, right?

[hazy fiber]

xlite is very different

[gray shuttle]

Ah okay, thank you!

[hazy fiber]

You can try getting ghostglide spacers or just put the tape under dots

[tulip tide]

i was looking at the xlite, but ended up going with zowie ec2dw and im very happy with it

[patent patrol]

another mouse with framesync

[obtuse dove]

Luckily pulsar mice have adjustable LODs

So I think it's a non issue

[patent patrol]

how do you game with speakers

[plain schooner]

I used to do that a lot

Have everyone at the house listening to me playing Warframe

[patent patrol]

like no idea where stuff is coming from 😭

feels like im blind

[quasi field]

Make sure the speakers are both an equal distance away from you and themselves. Meaning if there is a 100cm gap between the speakers there should be a 100cm gap between them and you. Have the point between the tweeter and woofer pointing at your ear. You do this by either bying stands that elevate them or stands that let you point them upwards. Then calibrate the speakers which will improve the imaging

[patent patrol]

i bought them used and just realized the last owner swapped L and R channel

😭

[obtuse dove]

Dolby atmos for speakers

I think 5.1 is sufficient tbh

Issue is that they aren't easy to tune without a calibration mic

[patent patrol]

im on 2.0

[ivory tiger]

<@&1098943457654997093>

[frigid ivy]

Big dong

[quasi field]

You can still have good stereo imaging. It will just not be as good as real surround

[junior thicket]

You don't need new Skates for Glasspads, you just never should use glass skates on glass skates. Dont recommend using glass skates at all anyway

[spark agate]

really?

i got the superstrike right now logitech one

x2

[junior thicket]

Yea, you dont need them

You can Profit from getting Dot Skates

Depending on the Pad you do get skates with them tho

Wallhack ships all of their Pads with their Collab skates afaik

My "The Return" came with UWS Black Dots

[spark agate]

what about the skypad1 ?

with the cloud thing i've seen people glaze that

[junior thicket]

Skypad has become Wallhack

the older Skypads are no longer recommended

[spark agate]

oh alr

[junior thicket]

Pretty much anything is better than those, no offense

[spark agate]

ill check out Midori and GLSSWRKS then?

[junior thicket]

Also, stay away from Pads that claim to be "Control" Glasspads

they are textured and trying to be clothpads

But they just arent meant to be. theyll tear through skates like nothing

[wet coral]

padsmith prosperity has the empress v2 speed surface and i like it a lot

[junior thicket]

GLSSWRKS has the Polarity which is their equivalent to the Massproduced Pads from Wallhack

the Midori Pad was a Limited Edition

[hazy fiber]

glsswrks on top

[junior thicket]

Padsmith makes very nice looking pads, although i find their surface to be kinda lackluster

[hazy fiber]

Their quality is better

[junior thicket]

GLSSWRKS? Absolutely

[hazy fiber]

Yeah

[junior thicket]

If you like the tachy aesthetic from Wallhack, sure go ahead

I also prefer the sleek logo on the Polarity

[spark agate]

if i get the glsswrks polarity one then do i also get the dot skates or do i use the included ones?

[hazy fiber]

It comes with custom cyclone pros

very good skates

[junior thicket]

You do get Skates as well

[spark agate]

i def need to buy1 soon my current one sucks insane i also kinda destroyed it by washing it a million times

(old 2023 worlds league mousepad lmao)

[junior thicket]

Oh lmao

One thing id like to say, Glasspads are insanely high skill ceiling

If you switch to a Glasspad, your bad habits with aiming will be exagerrated

And they are generally better for Tracking games

Overwatch, Apex, CoD. You get the gist

[spark agate]

ye

i wanted to buy one for ow since its all i play now

[hazy fiber]

glass is fun, when you don't feel dust

[junior thicket]

Valid, I main OW as well rn

[junior thicket]

Oh literally

I keep a Microfiber cleaning cloth in a drawer

for da oled and da pad ykyk

[hazy fiber]

sometimes I can feel dust midgame, it's very annoying

[spark agate]

i got most of my gear for ow some months ago like the 60he v2 and the superstrike x2

also bought a monitor before that going from 1080p to 1440p but i didn't notice any difference there

[junior thicket]

I just wipe my mouse on my shirt and a quick handswipe over the pad in game ykyk

[junior thicket]

Oh wow thats nice

Although i dont ever want to get another superlight version

Shape is meh, and the Scrollwheel? No.

[spark agate]

my scrollwheel broke on my first og superlight too 😭

[junior thicket]

Oh really? I found the Jump from 1080 to 1440p insane. How big is your Monitor?

[junior thicket]

A friend of mine had 5 different superlights

4 of those were replacements

[spark agate]

27 inch

[junior thicket]

He got them each under warranty for the first one ever

[junior thicket]

youre sure youre on 1440p ingame? The Jump from 1080p is crazy

If i look at my old old monitor rn i can count each pixel it feels like

[crude talon]

unless you got bad eyes it should be pretty easy to count your pixels on both a 1080p 24" and a 1440p 27"

the latter is definitely nicer though

still higher pixel density, even if it's not super high

[junior thicket]

this, yea

[spark agate]

yeah ur right nowadays i do notice a difference if i switch between them

my eyes are kinda bad tho so not that much lol

and for some reason my gameplay got worse when i did the switch i think it recovered though

[junior thicket]

ye

[spark agate]

just gotta fix chair, desk, monitor arms and mousepad now and we good 2 go

[junior thicket]

soooo

Everything? xD

Ill say Chair is the biggest upgrade you can make

ProtoArc EC200, no questions asked

for the Money, you cant beat it

[spark agate]

oh lmao

it's good?

i wanted to simply buy the ikea markus or something lol

[junior thicket]

Very good. I used a crappy office desk since forever

Best sub 200€ youll ever spend

[bitter sapphire]

uhm

TutelBeach is smoking hard

https://www.turtlebeach.com/products/command-series-mc7-mouse?Title=Default+Title

[junior thicket]

Ew what is that

The MMO Mouse Pro Max 19?

[spark agate]

alr ill note it down.

here are the other things i wanted to get, if you got any recommendations ill take em >)

desk - ikea UTESPELARE
headphones - Sennheiser HD 560S
mic - Antlion Audio ModMic Uni 2+

[bitter sapphire]

a mouse with a 2.25" touch screen

[junior thicket]

Peronally, spend a little more on a nice desk. I got a Wooden Butcherblock 160x80cm at Hagebau for 99€ and bought a Height adjustable frame from amazon. Was one from Flexispot it turned out (never said it on the web)

Its not one Piece wood thats why it was affordable

I still plan on sanding and treating it tho since it looks a little rough. But its sturdy af

Headphones are okay, but I wouldnt suggest going with an Antlion mic

[spark agate]

they're not good?

[junior thicket]

The antlion mic? No id suggest you go with a cheap Fifine USB Mic and an arm

I had a K688, it was very nice

[spark agate]

🙏

you've been a big help thanks

[junior thicket]

Youre welcome no worries. If you have any more questions feel free to reach out :)

I like to stop people from spending useless money the way i did

[spark agate]

i will definitely reach out again in the future, i also spend an insane amount of money on trash peripherals lol (looking at my old keyboards, and headsets...)

[junior thicket]

Yeaaa I get that. I did the same, because I regretted never having anything decent. I played on a 30€ Amazon membrane keyboard set that came with a mouse

[round lagoon]

What's your current headphone?

@spark agate (forgot to ping)

[spark agate]

hyperx cloud 3's

not the wireless ones though cabled

[bitter sapphire]

wired is based

[quasi field]

based ||on old tech and wireless is more comfy||

[round lagoon]

not too horrible, unless the sound really bothers you, you can wait before getting the hd560s

[bitter sapphire]

i just hated charging my headset

[junior thicket]

Cabled is good, personally I prefer Wired. Id second Shot64 and recommend you replace your headphones wayyyyy down the line

Chair, Desk and then Headphones + Mic

[quasi field]

Clumsy bass tuning

[bitter sapphire]

• i never used any good wireless headsets other than the Roccat Syn Pro Air

[round lagoon]

if you squint hard enough, it'll just look like regular kz iem.

[quasi field]

Bass elevation into 400 Hz is really yucky imo
It's why Empyrean 1 sounds so low-fidelity to me

[round lagoon]

it'll be fine now for finn, the hd560s will be the cherry on top after they got everything else.

Its like settling down on a sofa with a nice set of can right after you renovate the whole room.

[frigid ivy]

Pc38x is also something to consider

[round lagoon]

def

if you can get it of course, RIP Drop

[frigid ivy]

It's on Amazon

And it has a mic so no need for the mod mic

Unless they just want the modularity

https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/s/VAM72auRyR

The box is looking kinda premium, probably not going up be a cheap Koss