🤩│wooting60hev2

[tropic relic]

I don’t think it’s better, it factually is.

[timber nimbus]

it would make way more sense to just argue that you want it because you think it's more ergonomic and better due to that, and leave all the popularity stuff out

[gray violet]

No

[timber nimbus]

otherwise tons of insanely successful products would not exist not if we go by the 'well companies should only follow existing popular products'

[tropic relic]

The popularity stuff matters.

[rotund lotus]

Full size best size

[winter cedar]

full size left numpad BEST SIZE!!!!

[tropic relic]

If there’s a reason behind the popularity, then it matters.

[timber nimbus]

it doesn't because that's just not necessarily how popularity and sales work with how you've applied it

[oblique pendant]

Yes, wooting should've made MX keyboard because those sound better than HE

60MX when?

[wooden bluff]

this would ofc be like best for everyone and a compromise, but ofc not gonna happen

[timber nimbus]

your reasoning is that there's a niche of a niche of a niche of a niche of users who prefer your version and therefore it's more popular.

[winter cedar]

NO, your right thumb 'travels' more, so the right needs to be bigger

[oblique pendant]

also have more people using it (at least before 60he exist). So by aligner's logic, 60he shouldn't exist, but 60mx should because it's safer, cater to many people, popular, and people might not like 60he because it fucks up people that like tactile switch.

[winter cedar]

60HE is staggered, not columnar

[tropic relic]

Your reasoning is that there’s a niche of a niche of a niche of users who prefer your version (which doesn’t exist). My argument is that one version factually offers a better balance between the two, is and has been very well received for both gaming and typing.

[timber nimbus]

no i'm not arguing for it based on popularity at all

that's your thing.

we're all talking preference here

[tropic relic]

Reread, I never said that.

[wooden bluff]

no, right is used for Backspace, and it has to be same size or smaller than left Space (so that left Space has more freedom and also like aesthetically makes more sense)

[tropic relic]

I’m saying there are some facts behind preferences.

[timber nimbus]

you need to stop trying to argue for the other people

[tropic relic]

We’re all human and all have human hands.

[winter cedar]

actually, I was just looking at it from a ergo opinion point of view

[timber nimbus]

argue your side

don't argue on behalf of the people who say they don't agree with you lol

[tropic relic]

Not sure what you’re saying.

[tropic relic]

This is something you said.

[timber nimbus]

i'm saying you keep saying things like it's better for both, but that's just your preference

you don't speak for everyone else on the topic

just your own preference

[tropic relic]

It isn’t. There are facts behind ergonomics.

[winter cedar]

OK, heres a question? do you know how many extra columns of keys the right hand needs to handle on a 60%

[timber nimbus]

yeah which is your niche

it's not rocket science at end of the day. Wooting thinks there's a niche of gamers within wooting that would like their split for gaming

[tropic relic]

Again, not “for gaming”.

[timber nimbus]

and they think it's okay to ignore the existing niche of right space preferred users that align with your usage

[tropic relic]

As we agree 2.75U isn’t objectively better over 2.25U for gaming.

[timber nimbus]

sure call it whatever you want. "for gaming, for using as a step stool, for using as a door stop etc etc"

[winter cedar]

Who here buys Wooting just for gaming?

[tropic relic]

I think they underestimate how many right space users there are and how bothersome it’ll be for them.

[winter cedar]

(just being the devils advocate for a moment)

[gray violet]

I guess we shall see 👀

[timber nimbus]

maybe i am because i don't think there's that many

[oblique pendant]

Me, rhythm gaming.

[tropic relic]

and I think that right space users might not be aware of what this split means for them.

[timber nimbus]

in fact i think that niche is so insignificant that wooting will release it and it won't matter at all

[tropic relic]

We shall indeed. 👀

[gray violet]

Yeah, at the end of the day, people still need to try it first

And we do have a 30day return 👀

[oblique pendant]

I guess we trade 'Wooting is overpriced' topic to '2.25 2.75 split is objectively better'.

[tropic relic]

Nobody buys a keyboard solely for gaming while not doing anything else with it.

[tropic relic]

On that topic, it not being optional is the biggest thing.

[timber nimbus]

i'd actually be curious if a poll was put up which side people prefer the 2.75u on which would win

[tropic relic]

I nearly erased that shit from my memory already.

God damn

[timber nimbus]

because i'd put money on it being wootings way if it was done in the wooting discord

[winter cedar]

I do not take merit from all inputs/opinions made here. IMHO,the 60HE v2 having the left space bigger (without possibility of modding) is a deal breaker for me. for typing it may induce injury. its a pass for me

[tropic relic]

I’d be curious too, though it would be coming from only people that have never used it.

[gray violet]

I just think it’s unrealistic to discredit either opinion without trying it first

[timber nimbus]

yeah and we get that, there's definitely a niche of people who will be impacted

[tropic relic]

Probably, as that’s what they’ve seen already.

[gray violet]

Cause we can argue all day, but when we actually have it on hand

[winter cedar]

FUCKING BRILLIANT IDEA. like the SOCD Poll

[timber nimbus]

guessing by responses so far the 2.75u left side will win by a lot just due to wasd gamers liking more room on that side

[tropic relic]

Nor discredit per se but there are facts behind it.

[timber nimbus]

because when the topic came up in other channels it was basically like 10:1

[tropic relic]

Why’d want more room, if it means the “gaming” button is further away?

[timber nimbus]

because that's where the thumb rests

[tropic relic]

Your thumb.*

[timber nimbus]

shorter split means changing from where thumb normally rests to move a bit more left

[tropic relic]

Need to be crystal clear on that. 😭

[oblique pendant]

I don't know anybody that types homerow, I think this is assuming 100% using homerow and thumb at exactly where the 'normal' split would be perfect for it.

[timber nimbus]

yeah sure, my thumb.

[winter cedar]

everybody should honestly

[vast dagger]

My thumb also

[slender plank]

a lot of people who grew up with wasd rests like that

[vast dagger]

Pretty much everyone's thumb who rests their fingers on WASD

[tropic relic]

For WASD too in my experience. You shift over by 1U to WASD so the 1.25U is further away than it would be with 2.25U.

[oblique pendant]

I don't, I'm fine with it, and it doesn't affect me anyway when chatting with people.

[timber nimbus]

i mean you can even just poll people here because last time we discussed this in modding channel it was like everyone except aligner like the wasd preferred side

[slender plank]

can mods open polls?

[tropic relic]

Most who have used split space would agree.

[slender plank]

or is it just disabled?

[tropic relic]

Most who haven’t, probably have only seen Woot’s split and have never tried it. So it wouldn’t surprise me.

[gray violet]

What if the polls were split….

Say like

[tropic relic]

Still curious to see though.

[tropic relic]

Omg 😭

[gray violet]

27.5% - 22.5%

[slender plank]

[gray violet]

12.5% no opinion

[slender plank]

the math aint mathing

[gray violet]

Sir, it’s a Saturday

And I’m hungry

[tropic relic]

62.5 is the new 100

[timber nimbus]

this is a bit of an issue is my LoL game finished so i don't have something to occupy my main screen while talking this now

[rotund lotus]

Me too. We should get Ding Tai Fung

[vast dagger]

Got the 5 stack ready for clash just for it to be cancelled

[timber nimbus]

Which split do you prefer:

• Option 1: 2.75u - 1.25u - 2.25u
• Option 2: 2.25u - 1.25u - 2.25u

[tropic relic]

👀

[timber nimbus]

oh there we go

you can't double click it apparently lol

[tropic relic]

2.75.

[blissful anvil]

1.25u - 1.25u - 1.25u - 1.25u - 1.25u

[winter cedar]

I see what you did there 😄

[tropic relic]

😂

[timber nimbus]

it's too late, option 2 won

[vast dagger]

Where 4u

[tropic relic]

One step closer to ortho.

[slender plank]

u meant option 2 ..... 2,75?

[winter cedar]

No, he didn't! 😄

[tropic relic]

Guess Woot should be going with 2.25 - 1.25 - 2.25 🫡

[timber nimbus]

mb stares at drakon. He shakes his head and mouths "no"

2.25u for all sides

[wooden bluff]

• Option 1: 2.75u - 1.25u - 2.25u
• Option 2: 2.25u - 1.25u - 2.75u
• Option 3: 2.50u - 1.25u - 2.50u

[winter cedar]

tbh, that would be a better 'neutral' compromise

[gray violet]

There’s no 2.5 keycap iirc

[timber nimbus]

i voted 3 because it's funnier

[timber nimbus]

oh don't worry he knows.

[tropic relic]

optimally it’d be 2.5 - 1 - 2.75 but since 2.5 doesn’t exist, 2.25 - 1.25 - 2.75 is the best balance.

[tropic relic]

just make one fofpfpfppf

[gray violet]

True

[timber nimbus]

i see drakon is a fellow evil chaos alignment player too

[gray violet]

[tropic relic]

the betrayal of the century 😭

[gray violet]

Indeed

[slender plank]

honestly

2.5 2.5 is what i would buy if keycaps setsbmade that

[wooden bluff]

it's a 3u - 3u - 3u split, confirmed best

[winter cedar]

yeah some voters got chicken feet 😄

[timber nimbus]

there is an alternative universe where wooting actually made MB's 2.5u suggestion and they spend the next 6 months getting flamed by youtubers

[winter cedar]

youtubers are not gospel anyway 😄

[timber nimbus]

it would be quite a lot of hate from probably a huge amount of the community, even the avid wooting supporters

[winter cedar]

the only keyb. content creator I 'trust' now is glarses 😄

[tropic relic]

It’s a pain it doesn’t exist tbh

Woot should make it so it’ll become more common.

~ Mana

[timber nimbus]

like the only way wooting would get another 'arrow' level of voting for another layout like the 80he, would be if they announced the 2.5u spacebar

then they would do a poll and everyone would vote to just have a normal layout

[tropic relic]

Just optional/not optional would do it.

That is the most ridiculous thing about ts

[winter cedar]

that would be funny as hell

but I think its too late now, right? The PCB design is done

[slender plank]

how would this poll go

all splits vs 7u

[winter cedar]

are they in DVT phase yet?

[tropic relic]

“It’s set in stone but stone can be chiseled.” ~Mr.Mark

[timber nimbus]

yeah there's basically a very low chance they'd make big changes at this point unless it's a huge 90% of the community thinks you messed up type of deal

[tropic relic]

That is 10000000% what the votes would show if it were between optional or not. You agree?

[timber nimbus]

sure, but I also don't think it's super feasible since no one has a suggestion of how to make the pcb work that way yet for their sku issue

wooting did the arrow thing before because it was doable to change the mold

[tropic relic]

It has already been done.

[winter cedar]

molds . case PCB and plate

[timber nimbus]

i mean without compromise

[winter cedar]

they needed to change all 3

[timber nimbus]

all the suggestions so far have issues and compromises to make it work

[tropic relic]

Even then.

[timber nimbus]

oh? Where is it, i'm curious

[tropic relic]

Just PCB, plate and switches.

[timber nimbus]

i haven't seen the pcb suggestion if there is one that somehow makes it possible

without making things a headache for an assembled version

[winter cedar]

no, the case suffered changes too

the keys were less exploded on the original design (and skewed)

[tropic relic]

It doesn’t interfere with any screw locations.

[tropic relic]

A Tikken with shorter pins.

Mounting pins.

[timber nimbus]

yeah that's just not doable, i saw that suggestion but there's no way they're making a pcb that would require people to cut the switch to be compatible with 3rd party

[winter cedar]

but the switches/keys location differs

[timber nimbus]

that's super unuser friendly

[winter cedar]

would require a plate redesign as well

[timber nimbus]

having a pcb where the only way you install 3rd party switches is literally cutting legs off other switches just is never going to happen for wooting

[tropic relic]

That’s only if you swap out switches. The singular Tikken with shorter mounting pins would always stay on 1.25 or 6.25.

[timber nimbus]

yeah even still that isn't going to happen, that's a big compromise for them

you'd need to suggest a pcb format where there isn't any of these compromises

[tropic relic]

Calder said the swapping out the stabilizers was the issue. If that’s the fear they have, no one that wouldn’t swap out the stabs, would swap out the switches.

[winter cedar]

its not easily doable in HE boards, because of the HE sensors

[tropic relic]

it’s doable, just requires some thought.

[winter cedar]

we have discussed this before.

it would require adding layers on the PCB for sure

[timber nimbus]

i'm not debating the merits of it. I'm just saying there's no way they would make a pcb where every switch set you install needs you to cut legs off one of the switches even if it's niche

[winter cedar]

and more throughole VIAs

[tropic relic]

A Tikken in a different color, that’s always be in the 1.25 - 6.25 position isn’t something most would want to swap out even.

[tropic relic]

Not for a singular extra sensor, that’s the case for vast multi-layout support.

[tropic relic]

They should. The split not being optional is the fumble of the century.

[winter cedar]

it does just for the ENTER key scenario where you want the same PCB for ISO and ANSI, imagine the spacebar thingy here

[tropic relic]

I’m talking about just the spacebar.

Making it optional.

[winter cedar]

its even worse 😄

[tropic relic]

It isn’t.

[winter cedar]

all possible he sensors location plus the RGB LEDs...

not forgetting the mess in the firmware

[tropic relic]

1.25 and 6.25’s sensor positions conflict with the mounting pins of each other’s switches.

That’s it.

[winter cedar]

you would need to accomodate close enough sensors (if at all doable in HE) and their respective RGB LEDs. its a PCB design nightmare

thats not going to happen. for sure!

[tropic relic]

It is not. You don’t force the sensors closer together (this isn’t possible). You limit the depth of the mounting pin hole. Keeping the sensor in the exact same place.

[winter cedar]

and they you would need to figure a way to disable the sensors not in use in the firmware (otherwsie, ghost inputs)

[tropic relic]

Hence the Tikken with shorter mounting pins for that position.

[tropic relic]

All of this has already been done.

[winter cedar]

the sensor needs to be aligned with the switch . directly beneath it

[tropic relic]

You don’t understand it.

[winter cedar]

I havent't seen an HE PCB with such a design

[tropic relic]

The solution.

[tropic relic]

Rakka H60.

Rakka V2

[winter cedar]

checking

[tropic relic]

It’s not difficult, it just requires a unique approach so to say.

[winter cedar]

its not designed yet.

2025-02-08
...
If split space is a must-have for you, please be patient.

[tropic relic]

V2 isn’t, Rakka H60 and 64, do exist already.

[tropic relic]

That’s for the Lumens, not Altus.

[winter cedar]

but those are single format PCBs

We are trying to achieve the coexistence of 2.25U 1.25U 2.75U split space and 6.25U space options without sacrificing performance. This will be used first on the RAKKA 60** Altus.**

[tropic relic]

That’s with the solution I suggested.

To Woot as well.

[winter cedar]

but its not designed yet 😄

good luck on that 😄

[tropic relic]

It is. 👀

It’s not for sale yet. 👀

[tropic relic]

I don’t know which part you don’t understand. The conflict with the sensor?

[vast dagger]

Does it exist

[slender plank]

wouldnt even sides solve all these

[tropic relic]

It does. 👀

[slender plank]

cos its 3 sensors total

[tropic relic]

Yeah, that’s what HM went with but 2.25 - 1.75 - 2.25 isn’t really good for ergonomics either.

And very few sets include 2.25 x 2 and 1.75

[slender plank]

2.5u?

[raw herald]

My 60HE is basically relegated to gaming only 🤷

[tropic relic]

Doesn’t exist.

[winter cedar]

I don't consider this a success

[slender plank]

honestly popularising this and making it optional might be worth the less options for keycaos

[tropic relic]

What are you talking about?

[timber nimbus]

yeah you cannot even custom order a 2.5u keycap as far as I know. I seached and couldn't find it

[winter cedar]

that s the PCB being mentioned

[slender plank]

and then just gmk x wooting a spacebar set lmao

[tropic relic]

I agree 2.5 should exist but Woot’s golden rule has always been keycap availability.

[winter cedar]

5 sensors total under the space bar

[tropic relic]

I don’t know what you mean man. There are 4 sensors under the spacebar.

[winter cedar]

I highlighted them in red

[slender plank]

wooting made analog with just flaretech switches

it is worth it imo

[raw herald]

Though I want to be able to at least use a 60 form factor for not just gaming. 64% optional split everything 🙏

[tropic relic]

There are 4 sensors. One for each key: 6.25, 2.25, 2.75 and 1.25.

[winter cedar]

look closely and imagine the keycaps on top. You need to have 5 sensors to accomodate all your options

[tropic relic]

Bro 😭

[winter cedar]

in the 'middle' you have 2 nearly overlapping sensors

[slender plank]

[tropic relic]

To to support both 6.25 and 2.75 for the Rakka H60

Brother, what is it you don’t understand, I’ll try to explain it.

But I need to know what it is first. 😭

[clever delta]

Since you guys were talking about the spacebar. As someone who knows nothing at all, does the module in itself change depending on which version you pick? - split or regular spacebar, or is it the same and only keycaps being changed. Thanks

[timber nimbus]

yep it does - check pin for faq

[clever delta]

Appreciate it

By the way, I bought the OW60 case, I assume it works with the new module?

[tropic relic]

With the 60HE v2, yes.

Not with the split space option though.

[clever delta]

aw that's a shame

[tropic relic]

At least not yet until they fix the silicone piece.

[clever delta]

was interested in trying that

[tropic relic]

They might, who knows.

[tropic relic]

Yeah..

[clever delta]

True, happy regular one works atleast haha.

[winged sparrow]

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When someone at work ask me about my keyboard. This is my response.

[devout violet]

when you say 64% do you mean 60% arrow/split spacebar (64 key)?

[tropic relic]

The only truth:

[whole oak]

[tropic relic]

[slim shale]

is this down to the case or module?

[tropic relic]

The silicone piece of the case itself.

[slim shale]

surely you could uhh ✂️

[raw herald]

Late reply but yes, mb. I find the 60% size to be fun but difficult to use, arrow keys would help a bunch

[night anchor]

MORE

[tropic relic]

Possible but it won’t be as tidy. It’s quite thick where it needs to be cut.

[night anchor]

MORE^2

[tropic relic]

👹

[night anchor]

Lil more😗

[tropic relic]

👽

[night anchor]

W

Endgame Knooting60he v2

[tropic relic]

We need some 1.25, 1.5, 1.75, 2, 2.25 and 2.75u knobs

asap

[night anchor]

In theory, it could replace a DJ booth or be used to work in FL Studio if you think about it that way.

[tropic relic]

I want woot 64 or woot numpad so I can use big and small knobs

this would actually be great

for productivity in general, not just fl

[valid shadow]

Will knob work on v1?

[spring stirrup]

yes

[tropic relic]

Only on ARM boards iirc.

So not on the very early batches of the 60HE.

[grim glen]

or a good chunk of 2he boards

[peak prairie]

Knobs I’m assuming?

[raw herald]

All of existence is resting on the back of an elephant, which is in turn resting on a knob. That knob is resting on yet another, larger knob. It's knobs all the way down, my friend.

[sullen solar]

where are these image being made
pinging because i want to know

[sullen solar]

you should go to bed earlier, 1am does not do well for the body

[stiff condor]

Is this compatible with previous wooting cases like the optimum case?

[vast dagger]

Yes #🤩│wooting60hev2 message

[mint epoch]

Could've gotten a Good neo build 😭 (it is your money and if you're happy with your purchase, you should be proud and not let this message affect you)

[vast dagger]

well the neo isn't compatible with any HE pcbs I know of

[inner tartan]

If my mom had wheels she would have been a bike.

[hoary trout]

idc i replace spacebar with knobs too

[tropic relic]

https://tenor.com/view/panda-wise-gif-4804904432708355937

[tropic relic]

I made em

on keyboard layout editor then just edit

[sullen solar]

i see

spacebar knob should just be treads

around the stablizers

[hardy wadi]

wooting car

[night anchor]

First ever full Hall effect car

[raw herald]

Mag-lev thock

Split accelerator

Rapid handbrake

Drunk deers a serious criminal offense

[sullen bear]

Rappy Airbags

[vocal edge]

Crunch maxing

[raw herald]

https://youtu.be/1AVwck7U4tY?feature=shared

[stiff condor]

So weird scenario, I'm in the US and want an ISO split space bar board, I currently own an ISO and ansi board but primary the ISO board for icelandic layout.

[grim glen]

you can set your country to any EU country on the website and then place an order. in the checkout you can then set the country to US to ship to

[stiff condor]

Nice didn't know that.

[grim glen]

just be aware that this means you get a shipment from the NL warehouse which will most certainly mean import taxes and duties as the deminimes rule is not valid anymore

[stiff condor]

Mmmm. I wish this was easier for us customers although I totally understand I'm like less than 1% I'm the US with an ISO board

One design feature I would of loved to see on split space ISO was also the shortened right shift for another key to get closer to 109 keys.

The JIS layout does this.

[tropic relic]

split shift, split space and split backspace is all we need 🥲

[stiff condor]

Yessss and the split backspace, JIS also does this

[tropic relic]

what could’ve been.. 😭

[stiff condor]

Unfortunately we are a super niche

Although for keyboard shortcut keys and macros this could actually be viable for more people.

Especially since it's a gaming keyboard

[tropic relic]

we’re niche because there’s only so few boards that support us. with more boards, we’ll no longer be the few, but the many. 🔥

[stiff condor]

If wooting did a JIS I think they would be the only known gaming keyboard company to do that

That isn't based in Japan

[vast dagger]

They already have a JIS

[stiff condor]

??

[tropic relic]

there are quite a few jis boards in japan obviously

but not so much in the western market

[tropic relic]

gaming and HE boards*

[tropic relic]

he means 60HE v2

[stiff condor]

A 109 key 60hev2 is what I'm interested in.

The true JIS 60%

[vast dagger]

Right but they have a gaming JIS 80HE

[tropic relic]

2HE v2 (JIS)

[stiff condor]

Ahhhh 80he

That's why I dont know it exists.

[tropic relic]

oh damn

[stiff condor]

After using a full size keyboard my whole life I never want anything other than 60% again, just like I went from a lian Li 011 xl to a 15L ncase m2 itx pc.

Small is just for me.

Plus I already have an optimum case for the 60%

With custom keys for a custom Icelandic layout because I don't like how the original keys are placed.

[brisk creek]

just watched the badseed tech video. i'm oddly more hyped for the new wrist rest than the v2 board. i loved the one i got with my 60he. the newer one with more depth and that clip thingy to attach to the board is so nice. the 1u knob seems interesting. will it work with 60he or only the 60he v2 and 80he?

[stiff condor]

60 only

[brisk creek]

v2?

[stiff condor]

On their site I only see a 60v2

[brisk creek]

bummer

[stiff condor]

The 60 and 80 have never released together

They are 2 different SKUs

The 60he is what made wooting 'the' gaming keyboard company, they'll probably do an 80he some time afterwards

The 60 released first so it makes sense this is the next step.

[brisk creek]

it says backwards compatible on the website

[vast dagger]

Works with all ARM based boards so 60HE, 80HE and Two HE assuming they are the updated ARM models

[brisk creek]

i do have the arm version of the 60he. thanks for the info 👍

now we just need info on the new wrist rest

[lucid trout]

It is new wristrest

And you can connect it to case

[devout violet]

I didnt know we had a new wrist rest for the 60HE v2

I'll be getting it too 🤩

[brisk creek]

its shown in the badseed video for a second, if you scroll up you'll see the video

[opaque depot]

you don't like how the original blank keycaps are placed? 🤨

[rotund lotus]

It will work with all ARM based keyboards, including (most) 60HE V1, all 60HE+, all 60HEv2, all 80HE, most W2HE, and all UwUs

Only the very first batch of 60he's ever made used the avr microcontroller, and the first couple W2HEs. Any keyboard we've sold in the last three years will be compatible

[grim glen]

also wootility straight up tells you what chip your board has if youre unsure

[rotund lotus]

We should make a tool for this

A "go to this link to check if your keyboard is knob-ready"

[whole oak]

Wait - The knob isn't AVR compatible?

[grim glen]

id guess its ram related on the AVR mcus

[whole oak]

That's unfortunate. But if there's a technical limitation, there's not much we can do about that, unless Simon has a sudden epiphany for a reduced functional version or something

[rotund lotus]

ARM boards first. The limitation of AVR is memory, and Simon's been min/maxing memory constraints for a long time now... Hard to say that there's a way forward to add all this extra firmware logic on the board. Could possibly be mitigated via background service for AVR boards, but that's a bandaid more than anything else

[vast lion]

avr is a pain in the ass

[oblique pendant]

no RGB just knob Ver

[whole oak]

The solution is obvious. Release a 2HEv2. Or a 100HE if you will.
Then we'll drastically reduce the number of AVR users, since 2HE owners account for 99% of them, with 60HE batch 1 users being the rest.

[sinful plover]

i mean there is also the flaretech crowd but they wont be able to use the knob regardless

[winter cedar]

Curious to know how many AVR twoHEs are in the wild... I have four of them (most bought some years ago) and all are ARM mcu's

You will not reduce the number of AVR users, just lower the overall % .

[whole oak]

Both really.

People will stop using existing boards in favour of new ones.

[rotund lotus]

As long as it comes with a new Lekker edition

[winter cedar]

Really?
I never thought folks would 'ditch' perfectly functioning boards

[grim glen]

yes please

arm lekker edition

although it prob wont happen due to some happenings back then

[whole oak]

Switchy Edition.

Beach and Summer themed.

[winter cedar]

My opinion is that if Two HE got a metal case, it would revamp the product

[whole oak]

(Year of the Switchy, just to poke a bit of fun at Ducky)

[whole oak]

The entire case approach would have to be changed. Using a switch plate screwed into the case like the W1 and W2 did is very oldschool, and doesn't lend itself to aftermarket cases. So if we did a refresh, that would definitely be one of the things to look at how to approach more like our newer products.

Might need to make it more of a media/office focused board, since that's where most of the market lies. Included knob maybe?

[winter cedar]

I have a few of these laying around. Trying to convince myself to reverse engineer the pcb to document for qmk conversion

[winter cedar]

The standalone knob would suffice IMHO. Giving options to people 😉

[vast dagger]

I do remember someone being very upset that the design was updated to be non floating because it made the keyboard harder to clean for them

[grim glen]

wasnt it because they said floating is the future of design?

and smth about most people prefer it or some such

[brisk creek]

any word if the newer version of the wrist rest is going to be released along side the 60he v2 or will it release sooner?

[hardy wadi]

is there a need for it?

maybe add more colorways to it

[raw herald]

The wrist rest? It's been redesigned somewhat.

[hardy wadi]

yeah and they made a v2 (for wrist rest)?

[raw herald]

https://youtu.be/1AVwck7U4tY?feature=shared&t=93 Yes, at timestamp

[hardy wadi]

nani

ooohh thats what mark had in his picture

i thought it was weird was it was so long

🤯

[hardy wadi]

is the brace magnetic ?

[raw herald]

I don't know, but the case is aluminum so I assume not.

[timber nimbus]

nah it's just stuck into the grooves

[sinful plover]

not magnetic, mechanical

[brisk creek]

https://tenor.com/view/tv-shows-stephen-colbert-colbert-give-it-to-me-now-give-it-to-me-gif-14859562

[timber nimbus]

it goes under and hooks in basically

[timber nimbus]

putting magnets into your HE keyboard wristrest would be problematic lol

[hardy wadi]

oh i see so it only works with v2 cases then

[raw herald]

The attachment, yeah

[hardy wadi]

idk how i feel about the length of the v2 wrist rest but im definitely going to try it out

[raw herald]

Really like the new packaging btw

[wooden bluff]

magnetic rest attachment wouldn't even be strong enough often I bet, to not detach/be solid enough. this is much better.

[tropic relic]

apex pro’s magnetic wrist rest was fine

didn’t cause any problems

and was quite strong

[wooden bluff]

the thing is that rest and kb must act as 1 unit - not only to not move the rest itself - but so the kb itself also doesn't move (which it often does).

if there is some temporary detachments etc, it's not acting as a solid unit

[tropic relic]

90% of keyboards?

[wooden bluff]

those that span the 1u knob, did you feel some looser or just kind of more parts in it or no.

[raw herald]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-nod-yup-thinking-oh-okay-gif-17060611

[wooden bluff]

ok so my prediction for the 1u knob is a bit similar to this, where the blue part is magnet (but gear teeth are not magnet, because those would interfere).
but so in this magnet, some special pattern is encoded - and it ofc doesn't repeat same way when spin the other way. so firmware reads this pattern and knows direction and how far you span it.

(ignore the gear text)

[stiff condor]

The original Icelandic keys

They go from row 1 to 4 instead of in the center with all the other letters.

[opaque depot]

i don't understand

[sullen solar]

what?

[devout violet]

reminiscent of the 80HE packaging

[tawny oracle]

I can't be the only one who thinks the flap on the front of the case looks ugly right?

[inner tartan]

The slight angled lip? Usually known as a cherry lip

[austere edge]

what did they mean when the lekker tikken is the first 4mm actuation closed switch but when im using my owlabs ti he on the 80he it still shows as going the whole way in the actuation point on the wootility?

[spring stirrup]

0-4mm in wootility is actually %, not the actual mm

Owlabs are 3.5mm travel switches

They are adding switch selector in the future, you will be able to choose your switch and then it will show accurate travel

[austere edge]

thnx

[tropic relic]

future’s been taking too long man 😭

[spring stirrup]

Simon wasnt lying

[tropic relic]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-gif-24664106

[inner tartan]

I've forwarded this to him also. Now it's +2 weeks!

[spring stirrup]

This is your fault Aligner

[tropic relic]

right..

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1226077523616600106/1357808679163793640/abnaj.gif

the bottleneck getting narrower every day it seems

😭

[vast dagger]

Does the switch selector do anything aside from make the number appear correctly in Wootility and make the auto calibrations job ever so slightly more efficient

[spring stirrup]

Actuation will be more accurate with short travel switches

For example right now if you set 1.5mm actuation, its not actually 1.5mm

[vast dagger]

Right but you can still change actuation through the entire range it just wouldn't be "accurate" to the measurements in the UI

[hardy wadi]

what flap?

[hoary trout]

the flap

[hardy wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/bird-fly-flying-ivangulizia-happy-gif-16527762

[rotund lotus]

Yes 😉

https://tenor.com/view/spoilers-pandorica-river-song-doctor-who-gif-18293417

[hardy wadi]

its okay you can tell me. I can keep secrets

[vast dagger]

New Wootility updates

But i did have a nosy around the place afterwards to find more info

[stray furnace]

HYPE! THEY LISTENED, a split spacebar

Now all I need is their future/imagined mouse products

[tawny oracle]

I'm fine with the front lip itself it's just the gap between that and the main body that bothers me

[opaque depot]

what would a wooting mouse do that other mice don't?

[whole oak]

Some people just want to do one brand for everything, even if it means slapping a brand name on a product without much thought.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXUJSCZiU48

Switchy motherboard when

[devout violet]

car

[tepid copper]

I don’t like rgb in my desktop pc so I just have black components and just buy whatever brand I know that is cheaper xD

I think white computers look cool though, but the white tax is real

[rotund lotus]

White is difficult

[inner tartan]

White looks so clean (no pun intended) but I can't eat my Cheetos and game without my OCD going crazy. That's why I'm voting for Orange as the next color way

[whole oak]

Indeed. There's so many shades of white. And it is different with different materials.

Warm whites, cold whites, blue whites. We did a ton of sampling on all of our white products to make sure they looked right in practice

[hardy wadi]

who i gotta bribe to get some tikken switches early?

strawberries and yogurt

cat pictures

plushies?

viva la dutchland

[reef horizon]

im wondering this aswell

maybe I can cash in my postcard 🤔

[candid solar]

Mostly just the ability to use wootility for both products

Wootility would absolutely gap any mouse software available rn

[stray furnace]

Beyond wootility I would assume an extremely light mouse, high frequency, and for the laughs analogue buttons with indistinguishable height difference

[lucid trout]

Wooting mouse would be modular

So multiple diffrent shapes

[lone sail]

2 tikkens as the switch instead of traditional optical

[stray furnace]

BTW, why not analogue mouse buttons? Would be an interesting concept.

[vast dagger]

Unless there was some kind of tangible benefit I don't see the usefulness

Mouse clicks are already set to be as light as possible so that when you make the downward pressure needed to click it's almost instant

[raw herald]

Well, short travel, yeah.

Otherwise it'd feel mushy

[stray furnace]

Multiple games that utilise mod buttons in combination with mouse clicks, some of it could simply done in analogue. In shooter it could determine rate of fire or distance thrown, like the trigger on console. The challenge is making it not feel too mushy.

[cursive shale]

now im just really hope that the 60HE v2 come out EARLY Q4

JUST FOR MY OW60 CASE

[lone sail]

Istg my beast X max dosent do that

I die twice every day in valorant because I think I pressed it first (before enemy) so I turn away but I didn’t actually press the click

I’m using mech switches tbf

[slim shale]

@tropic relic going back to the split spacebar for the ow60, how possible would it be to modify the plate and is there any harm in doing so?

[tropic relic]

getting a custom plate would be easier and safer. you don’t want to go around sniffing raw carbon dust

you can’t really get around not cutting the silicone friction piece though

as that interferes with the PCB mounted stabs for the split space version

which OW and woot should’ve thought about (imho)

[inner tartan]

Would have been hard for Owlabs to future proof their case/gasket/plate for a PCB they wouldn't have known was coming almost 2yrs after they started the project.

[slim shale]

[inner tartan]

Hopefully they do release an updated gasket though

[slim shale]

Bit of a kick in the bollocks for owlabs

[tropic relic]

eh, might be hindsight harold but spacebar locations are standard (except for woot’s split but it still would’ve fit had they considered it).

[inner tartan]

Only time will tell. If the split-space is out sold by a factor of 20 to the normal space, it may not matter.

[slim shale]

Ill give it time, considering the fact that the boards arent even out yet

[inner tartan]

Universal compatibility would have been smart but they wanted a collaboration so it was designed specifically for that PCB

[slim shale]

Looks like some of the screw holes are also missing

[tropic relic]

details like that could allow future proofing as well 😂

[tropic relic]

are they different compared to the non split?

haven’t looked into that much

[slim shale]

The images i sent show them

[tropic relic]

inaccurate renders

as usual

[slim shale]

That was my second thought

[tropic relic]

or maybe not

tf

sec

[slim shale]

Give me a second and i will go to the images from computex and ow60 build videos

[tropic relic]

the OW60’s are accurate

there is no way woot changed the standoff locations on the 60HE v2 non split

surelyy

I’m guessing OW60’s plate just doesn’t use all of em

[tropic relic]

thought there were like 8 standoff locations on the 60HE

[tropic relic]

yeah looks to be the same

[slim shale]

Interesting

So that means the plate just wont work with v2?

[tropic relic]

it will

it seems it’ll even fit the split space PCB but that’s kinda useless obv

[slim shale]

https://tenor.com/view/themoreyouknow-more-know-gif-4483207

[slim shale]

Split space being useless?

I would bind them to leaning in siege

[tropic relic]

the OW plate for the split space PCB

[slim shale]

Ohh

[tropic relic]

split space is useful af

backspace on right space 🤌

[slim shale]

Yeah i really want to get the split

I guess for now we can just rock the stock plate

These keycaps are going to look so good split as well

[lone sail]

would bind to my signature in val

sincei play jett/chamber/reyna a lot

and have the middle key as space or smth

or i can use wasq

[stray furnace]

Even if you might not think of a use case, logically why would you share a button with two fingers. Even you bind them to the same button nothing has been lost. And if you start utilising it you could drastically up your typing game. I just don't see a downside to start using your thumbs more.

[tropic relic]

That was about the OW60 plate on the 60HE v2 (split)’s PCB. I’ve been using split space for over a year. 😼

[quaint schooner]

the ow60 can't use normal wooting 60he plate?

i thought the 60he v2 split module can directly go to ow60

[tropic relic]

Not really, OW60’s plate is slightly smaller to account for the silicone friction piece so using the stock plate is difficult. You can probably force it in but I wouldn’t recommend it.

[tropic relic]

No. For the reason mentioned above and the silicone piece doesn’t support the stab locations of the split either.

[quaint schooner]

but u get a free friction fit from the module ...

am i wrong?

[tropic relic]

don’t think the friction pad comes either the module, either way that isn’t compatible either.

you need the silicone friction piece that comes with the OW60.

[quaint schooner]

L for the case

[tropic relic]

and that isn’t compatible with the split, unless you cut it and order a custom plate.

[tropic relic]

ye.

an oversight

[quaint schooner]

i thought most of the stuff will be the same

(friction fit, plate size, and such)

[timber nimbus]

I wonder how open wooting might be to making a plate for it to be compatible

Or designing one that can be ordered elsewhere

[quaint schooner]

they will like any other plate files

but still, if u want to have the normal standoff like the stock plate would be hard to order from elsewhere

[timber nimbus]

They could just design something and provide the file for people to order from 3rd party might be an interesting workaround

[quaint schooner]

that would be it

wooting should just sell other plate materials on their web

[timber nimbus]

I think the thing is they’re careful about increasing sku varieties in their warehouse as it leads to increased costs and complexity

[quaint schooner]

true

[timber nimbus]

But if they just provided the files and let people order from 3rd party plate sellers that would be interesting

[quaint schooner]

80he has it right?

[timber nimbus]

yeah I believe so, although 80he already had so many vendors just scan and sell the plate already lol

It’s possible one of 3rd parties might scan and sell 3rd party owlab plates if enough demand

[quaint schooner]

most likely they will do it that way (like 80he plate file), and most likely in a year 3rd parties will scan the owlab plate

[timber nimbus]

They’d need to make minor edits to combine it with the split plate I assume too

[quaint schooner]

it won't be a huge work for them since they have the same standoff (right?)

[tropic relic]

split space won’t be compatible even with a custom plate

[timber nimbus]

Yeah I assume it’d just be some sizing changes maybe? But I don’t have the case so I dont know

[quaint schooner]

or the standoff positions on the 60he v2 are different?

[tropic relic]

same

[quaint schooner]

they can make it work, if there is a high demand for 60he v2 split

i guess?

[quaint schooner]

what makes it that way?

[tropic relic]

silicone friction piece

cutouts for the stab locations are required which it doesn’t have.

[quaint schooner]

they can make it for sure...

[tropic relic]

ofc they can but if they’re going to is a dif question

hopefully tho

[timber nimbus]

that would be a nice thing to raise internally for modding side of things honestly. To make the owlabs case fully compatible with the 60v2

[quaint schooner]

let's see how the demands are for the split ver.

let's just hope for the best

[tropic relic]

calder knows already I think

I asked him but no answer yet

[quaint schooner]

i will wait for ow80 case

[timber nimbus]

my wallet isn’t ready for an owlab 80

[quaint schooner]

I can't go back to 60% since i will use tkl from now on

bye bye 60%

[timber nimbus]

There’s already too many pricy things i’m interested in lol

[lucid trout]

If it will ever exist

[quaint schooner]

if not, then i will stick to my lovely gt80

i just want

an minimalist case for the 80he

[lucid trout]

But from what wooting said it went well, above their expectations. So it might be possible to see ow80 in q4 2026

[quaint schooner]

even tho owlab's doesn't have minimalist looks

[quaint schooner]

80he v2

[timber nimbus]

What if they do a mid cycle refresh next

[lucid trout]

What refresh

[timber nimbus]

80he v1.5 with split spacebar and minor internal spec bump

[lucid trout]

There is nothing to refresh

[quaint schooner]

tikkens

[timber nimbus]

I would be a bit curious to see if that was doable

[lucid trout]

How much skus already we have In prebuilt 80he?

[timber nimbus]

I mean it’s just a question of whether it would profit or be worth it more than just sku amounts

[lucid trout]

It would mean there would be 24 skus sno

24

[tropic relic]

what’s a few more SKUs?

😭

gotta keep this trend up with the 60HE v2

[timber nimbus]

I do expect split spacebar to go to whatever the 80he/tkl sized wooting is at some point if split proves to be popular enough

They won’t know until later though since it’s far too early

[quaint schooner]

maybe a refresh of wooting one would be nice

[winter cedar]

I just want to be able to get the PET film to include on my 60HEs that didn't have the change of getting a KBDFans plate.....

IMHO that is the biggest upgrade (apart from the screw-in stabs on the pre-built)

[vocal edge]

60he v3 now with MangoHE patented crunch optimized pcb for maximum crunchiness

[devout violet]

I would love to have that

I would definitely make use of that split bar

[lilac meadow]

L just bought v1

[devout violet]

what crunchy sounds

[winter cedar]

Do we have an ETA for when the 60HE v2 prices come out ? I am on the fence for 4 modules, and need to decide if its worth the wait

the 8KHz imho is placebo and I don't really care for wooting split space bar design. its the improvements in the typing feel that make it for me

as far as I can understand, the biggest improvements are on the PET film and extra lube, and the switches

This is for the modules only. Not interested in the full keyboard, as I already have 4 metal cases waiting 😄

[timber nimbus]

they haven't said anything yet beyond that they don't want pricing to increase much

[winter cedar]

thing is, we don't have apples to apples comparison. pricing to increse much in what sense? 60HE never had a metal case. So are we talking about module + alumaze difference?

does that mean that the module price would be similar?

[proven burrow]

Yeah the most we know right now is that the pricing will be somewhat in line with the current 60HE

As of right now

Hopefully it doesn't change 🙏🏻

[timber nimbus]

they said small price bump but not a large bump, that's as much as we know

[opaque depot]

I would comfortably assume something like 30-40 bucks over the 60he+

[winter cedar]

The pre- built? Do you know what is the cost difference between metal and plastic case?

[opaque depot]

what do you mean

[winter cedar]

60he+ OG is plastic case. Do you expect 60He v2 to be the retail price of the OG + 40 ?

[opaque depot]

about that much yes

[winter cedar]

Don't get your hopes so high

[opaque depot]

that is my personal unsubstatiated expectation

they said "small price jump from 60HE" so it absolutely cannot be 50+ more or it's quite literally DOA

[winter cedar]

I would ball park it on 60he+ module + alumaze on discount

[timber nimbus]

i'm with fleimi where it seemed implied that the price jump wouldn't be much even including the metal case stock, although of course they've never clarified beyond that

[opaque depot]

how much is that in actual money

[winter cedar]

60he+module +alumaze is 252.48 (case 25% off with module)

Euros

[opaque depot]

so that's 10€ more than my high-end estimate

still, seems a little high for me

[winter cedar]

I estimate the module for the v2 to be around the retail price for the OG

[opaque depot]

considering the alumaze is epic and the 60hev2 case is uggo

[winter cedar]

The silicon is more recent, more padding , etc

[opaque depot]

if the og module + alumaze was the same price as stock 60hev2 I think the 60hev2 is gonna be a hard pass

[winter cedar]

Debatable

[opaque depot]

split space is not worth 50€ i feel

[winter cedar]

There are no miracles. They need to make money

[opaque depot]

30 is good, 40 is stretching it

[opaque depot]

yeah but it's not any more expensive to make

[winter cedar]

It is

More foams, film, screw in stabs ( only on the module in OG) metal case and more powerful mcu

[opaque depot]

film is free, foam is free, stabs are the same price whether they are screw in or not, metal case is marginally more expensive (it's just a cast basic thing honestly) and chip is not relevant since it's cents per each

[winter cedar]

Nothing is free lol

[opaque depot]

point is it's like 5€ more to make I feel

nothing about it is particularly fancy

[winter cedar]

Specially when you need to order in hundred thousand due to economy of scale

[opaque depot]

considering the 80he has all of this except the metal case, and is bigger, and is what, 210€?

the ugly metal case is gonna make it +40€?

I just don't see it and it's gonna sit on shelves if priced at 250 I feel

[winter cedar]

Size does not matter in price. See Keychron

[timber nimbus]

in cases it definitely does though

[opaque depot]

therefore also film, foam, stabs and mcu don't matter in price

[winter cedar]

When comparing metal to metal, no.

[opaque depot]

can't play both sides of the argument

[timber nimbus]

you usually compare based on work required and in keyboards larger cases take more overall work required

[opaque depot]

regardless, we have no facts, just spitballing here

[timber nimbus]

which is why larger cases are often more expensive in keyboard land

[opaque depot]

the way I see it 250€ is DOA, hope they see it as well

[winter cedar]

This is true. We are just speculating

[winter cedar]

Not really, no

[timber nimbus]

i mean i don't know what to tell you. Larger cases cost a fair bit more to make and every keyboard vendor will tell you that

it's why if you go 1:1 you often see price increases between a 60% vs a 75/tkl version of the same custom case with brands

this isn't speculation btw - it's been said officially by multiple keyboard makers

[winter cedar]

A 60% Q4 HE is 239.99 and a Q6 HE (100%) is 249.99

[timber nimbus]

yes and that is a price increase

that's a $10 price increase

[winter cedar]

For case, double the switches, rgb, sensors on Pcb and keycaps

[timber nimbus]

i mean you can just choose not to believe me but if you go ask most of the keyboard manu's they'll tell you larger case usually increases cost of work needed, especially if you go beyond just basic case

not really sure what there is to debate as they'll tell you that themselves

[spring stirrup]

v2 case is definitely not ugly

[opaque depot]

lies and slander

[spring stirrup]

ok

[vast dagger]

bigger keyboard = more material cost, also means more time being machined which = machine time and additional labour costs not to mention a larger PCB, additional stabilisers, switches and keycaps

[slender plank]

holy80 is smaller

[timber nimbus]

I am actually curious what their cost is to make all those holes lol

[slender plank]

a lot id assume

i feel like the holes takes more time than the case shape

239 is what i hope the v2 will land

[tropic relic]

239 is mental

it replaces the plastic cases and I doubt most really care for the sound and feel

no reason to make those pay a whole lot more

when previously the people that cared about sound and feel just modded it

🥴

$220 max

https://tenor.com/view/worry-froge-froge-frog-frog-meme-concerned-froge-gif-11682222603679007150

[oblique pendant]

there's also people that say 'paying $200 for a plastic keyboard is bad'.

[quaint schooner]

but it's possible for prebuilt version

maybe 199 for module

or 189 for module

50 for case

it's possible imo

or maybe put the module on same price as 80he

[tropic relic]

yeah that was said about the 60HE already but it’s kinda fair. I don’t think those would be buying a more expensive board that does have better build quality though.

[tropic relic]

LOLERS

[quaint schooner]

nvm 199 is too overpriced

[tropic relic]

$10 more for the module

max

https://tenor.com/view/worry-froge-froge-frog-frog-meme-concerned-froge-gif-11682222603679007150

[quaint schooner]

80 he is 180 right?

[oblique pendant]

$10 more the module will be nice

[tropic relic]

$220 prebuilt
$165 module

[tropic relic]

idr

[quaint schooner]

165 huh

[tropic relic]

I think so

[quaint schooner]

nah, 175 is the way to go

[tropic relic]

🤮

[quaint schooner]

or 170 is the sweetest spot

prebuilt 229

239 for the best add up number (69)

[tropic relic]

I feel like they’d be shooting themselves in the foot if that’s the case

[quaint schooner]

[tropic relic]

nuking themselves in the foot more like

😭

[quaint schooner]

u get a lot from the module, friction fit, pet sheet (ik it's cheap stuff, but it's more than u get from other modules)

maybe 170 module is a good pricing

[tropic relic]

the module is fine I think, just the prebuilt that’s in a weird place imo

[quaint schooner]

so people can get an optimum case as an option if they're not a big fan of the stock case

[tropic relic]

or people just buy something else 😫

[quaint schooner]

maybe the nipple case

[tropic relic]

no case best case

[quaint schooner]

since it's a friction fit as well

[quaint schooner]

no case but using friction fit

[jagged delta]

Hello

[tawny mountain]

How much is wooting v2 will cost?

[vast dagger]

No confirmed price yet but during the announcement it was said to be priced slightly higher than the current 60HE+

[valid shadow]

is the wooting60hev2 coming with the same case the alumze60?

[spring stirrup]

60HE v2 comes with new alu case, but the module is compatible with alumaze

[valid shadow]

will the new alu case be sold separately?

[spring stirrup]

Yes

[whole oak]

The new 60HEv2 case will look like the existing plastic one (mostly) but in black alu (or white or silver depending on your preference of course)

[lyric coral]

Module or prebuilt? I haven't watched yet.

[molten jasper]

Oh snap I didn’t know about this channel

[magic thorn]

i will buy it as soon as it releases! promise!

I have the first 60he with the lighter switches plus the uWu with the brass bottom!! letss Gooo!

[vast dagger]

Both I'd imagine

[vital dock]

anyone know how you're supposed to use the insert key on this thing

or if there is anyway to bind it to the function layer

nvm i found the spot lol i was on the wrong menu to remap 🤦

[blissful anvil]

there is a 20 dollar sound pack on aliexpress that comes with a pcb pet film, poron plate foam, ixpe switch foam, case foam, and an adheiseve pet film to be used as a tape mod, toronto keyboard man sells the same pack as well i believe bundled with custom plates.

[modest burrow]

I have a 60HE case, is the v2 split spacebar module compatible ?

[candid solar]

Yes

[modest burrow]

ok thanks ! I guess I have to buy v2 now 😭

[loud wren]

Wen 60HE V2?

[spring stirrup]

Q4 2025

[oblique pendant]

we're getting closer to there

like 3-5 month left

[night anchor]

Today’s date + n
n Є {Z}, n>0

[hardy wadi]

real question is can i get my 60v2 case signed by dali and moumou?

[whole oak]

Would have to crowdfund some stamps for Mark and Dashi. And then someone could theoretically bring those to events like Gamescom to stamp onto cases.

[molten jasper]

Yo why am I hearing rumors of a knob on 60hev2

What’s wrong with these drunkards

[whole oak]

Knobs are a separate thing to the keyboards. Hot swappable.

[molten jasper]

Oh what the heck

My simpleton brain can’t even comprehend the greatness of 60hev2 🤯

[winter cedar]

It's not the 60he v2. It's a separate product that you can use on any arm based wooting keyboard

[wooden bluff]

1u and 2x2u hotswappable HE trackball switches when

[raw herald]

Trackball HE? Hire this person.

[tropic relic]

hot-swappable knobs, joysticks and trackballs. 🔥

all possible with woot’s black magic for sure.

[lucid trout]

Simon black magic

[candid solar]

HE joysticks would honestly not be that hard to implement i believe

Would look goofy as hell but I'm for it why the fuck not

[lucid trout]

Well it is easy to implement

[tropic relic]

HE knobs and joysticks that use a single sensor don’t exist. of course with a bit of woot black magic, it’ll work

[whole oak]

We do a little magic.

[wooden bluff]

#🤩│wooting60hev2 message

[tropic relic]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-meme-emoji-on-computer-looking-surprised-gif-17662041566882818614

[wispy nova]

is wooting 60hev2 basically a wooting 80he but in 60he

[tropic relic]

yep 👍

[rotund lotus]

[wispy nova]

☹️

[timber nimbus]

i wouldn't be surprised with some other stuff like a new mcu

on top of the split spacebar

[tropic relic]

Not a beefier one, that’s for sure

some day dual MCU, I believe!! 😭

[rotund lotus]

We can do with one MCU what other companies require 2 for

[tropic relic]

fake news!

[rotund lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/caught-me-not-moving-raccoon-standing-up-gif-17639976

[winter cedar]

I always had this question in the back of my mind, but never got to ask. Do wooting keyboards run any RTOS or is the software on board 'pure' RISC code running without thread management?
Just curious, that's all

[inner tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/warning-cyber-attack-cybersecurity-hacking-gif-24197286

[winter cedar]

QMK runs ChibiOS, I sometimes use azureRT.. I mean ThreadX ... 🙃 was just curious

If running pure code non-RTOS, ever considered it? If memory and flash footprint allow, there could be performance increase

[cursive shale]

My ow60 arrived today

Now I just need the V2 🙃

Second round of waiting

[hardy wadi]

tell me how you like that bounce

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-boing-squeaky-boots-squarepants-russogoob-gif-9486823933013199070

[cursive shale]

Didn't build yet, waiting for the 60V2 since the foam is adhesive

I didn't swap the current one to another case tho

[inner tartan]

Love the keycap originality

[cursive shale]

Its from monsterlab tic tac toe

[short hare]

remember to post your non v2 builds in #1070668460905988106

[mortal lake]

isn't there 10Khz polling now?

[tropic relic]

Not polling afaik. There are some boards with insane scanning numbers though, like 36K and beyond but that’s rather misleading as those boards change their behavior when multiple keys are pressed simultaneously.

So it’s more to boost their performance in single-key tests than it a an actual performance increase.

[mortal lake]

aaah

well I heard of one board doing it

except it was in development

and they said it wasn't stable enough for release

[tropic relic]

I think higher polling would require an app running the whole time as windows doesn’t currently support beyond 8KHz, afaik.

[mortal lake]

yeah

[devout violet]

no?

8k is the highest USB can handle

scanning can happen beyond 8k tho

i don't think it would benefit tho

[whole oak]

Even with newer revisions? 8k is 2.0

[devout violet]

ye

[tropic relic]

A windows thing iirc, 3.0 could do more if windows supported it.

[grim glen]

not polled

[tropic relic]

just more bandwidth with the same polling?

[grim glen]

yes and yes i guess

there is an interrupt mode in the usb3 spec where you can theoretically send data over at what would be 16khz in polling rate land

[tropic relic]

https://forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?t=7608 simulated 24KHz polling rate 💀

[tropic relic]

I see

[grim glen]

the main issue i see with beyong 8khz (and already with even going beyong 1khz) is you stress your cpu more and more for deminishing returns

even going from 8khz to 16khhz is just 0.125ms to 0.0625ms

[opaque depot]

that's one more zero so clearly it's miles better

[tropic relic]

yeah, would that matter for keyboards as well at that level?

[opaque depot]

nice propaganda idiot

shilling for big 1khz smh

[grim glen]

definitely for the mcu in the board

[tropic relic]

wrong. chinese boards have already been doing 284684937K scanning, sure they can 16K polling as well

[grim glen]

always funny to see the chinese boards using ridiculous scanning numbers where they add up scanning regions or each sensors scan speed one by one

its like a display manufacturer saying they have better refreshrate and then printing pixelamount * full panel hertz

[opaque depot]

yeah just move the goalposts and adjust the metrics to get a number you can print on the side of the box

your customer segment is such that they don't know anything apart from the one or two numbers anyway

[limber flume]

wait is friction fit similar to what Kbfans did with the 461E and GT60?

[teal basalt]

Are the keycaps the same for the Wooting 60HE V2

[whole oak]

I believe so, yes

[devout violet]

32k polling wymmmmm

[oblique pendant]

too low

64k polling!!!!

also 0.00001mm rt

[vocal edge]

128k or nothing

[raw herald]

We need to dedicate a discrete 9800x3D just for polling our keyboards

[mortal lake]

unrealistic

Even if it existed it'd probably take 120w to even run that type of clock

[mortal lake]

actually not really

[devout violet]

wym it totally is /j

it's sarcasm if it wasn't obvious

[fossil moss]

When will the wooting 60he v2 be released

[hardy wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/door-gif-17457390403834117909

[fossil moss]

How much will the wooting 60he cost?

[spring stirrup]

Slightly more than 60HE+

[whole oak]

Buddy... I just told you! 😄

[short hare]

#🤩│wooting60hev2 message

[hardy wadi]

3 different people told him

i dont think he understands

https://tenor.com/view/404soob-pepe-pp-gif-21552696

[slim shale]

Checking the price like its gold

[tepid copper]

The v2 split spacebar is already 100% confirmed to be that size? With a smaller right spacebar?

I’m curious since I feel it’s more common to do space with the right thumb when using all 10 fingers to type, I wonder how comfortable it is being the small one 🤔

In games the left hand is more static so hitting a smaller left spacebar + extra button seems easier as well due to lower travel.

[tropic relic]

It’s “set in stone” but “stone can be chiseled”..

👀

[quaint schooner]

on the 60he v2, am I able to select which switches I want prebuilt on it?

[spring stirrup]

You will need to order module and switches you want

Prebuilt comes with Lekker Tikken switches only

[quaint schooner]

why hasnt wooting had an option where you can choose what switches you want it to come with?

[oblique pendant]

I mean module exist, so you can bundle it with any separate switches you want

[quaint schooner]

yea but ive never built a keyboard before and wouldnt want to mess it up

[spring stirrup]

You cant mess it up, you just need to put it in the case and thats it 😆 no screws needed. Module includes pcb, stabilizers, friction fit pad and its already prebuilt.

You will need to put it in the case and then switches and keycaps

[oblique pendant]

You'll be fine, it's like installing lego if the bare pcb already installed the stab, plate, friction fit, and rubber bottom. Just plop it into case, push the switches in, and place in your keycaps

80he harder ngl, you have to install jst cable.

[quaint schooner]

is the aluminum case that comes with the pre-built 60he v2 also sold seperately?

[spring stirrup]

V2 case will be sold separately, yes. Black, white and silver color options afaik

[quaint schooner]

oh alright

ill probably build it then

my concern is installing the switches onto the pcb

is it easy?

[spring stirrup]

Yea, its very easy. Also wooting will upload build guide in future, so you wont have any issues

[sinful plover]

easy as lining up the top to be at the top and clicking it in

[spring stirrup]

Yes

[quaint schooner]

ok thanks

[lone sail]

It’s probably easier then putting Lego stickers on

[quaint schooner]

idk about that

with lego stickers theres less risk

[slender plank]

nah lego stickers is def more risk

unless you force the switch the wrong way intentionally, theres really no way damage anything

[opaque depot]

because stocking more and more SKUs is not cost-effective

[stray furnace]

Would wooting ever consider integrating a full fledged compute into the keyboard? A tight integration with a raspberry pi for example, inside the keyboard.

[whole oak]

For what purpose? We're a gaming company.

[stray furnace]

I am of course not as knowledgeable about the customer base, but I personally would imagine just being able to plug in the keyboard to any thunderbolt port and getting your desktop up would be nice. Of course, I also envision myself streaming my games from a server to a node, like a keyboard computer. The last part, at the moment is perhaps not as applicable to a majority of the customer base.

[hardy wadi]

is wooting going to add more colours for the wrist rest v2?

or sticking to black, blue, white and pink?

🫦

[tropic relic]

https://youtu.be/BrMHDjWEREU split space wasn’t mentioned a single time.. what does this mean @lucid trout?

[lucid trout]

They do not care about split spacebar because knob is more important feature and split spacebar was already annouced

[devout violet]

you could do 3D prints based off the STL files

I just don't know where the STLs are but you could make some modifications maybe

[stray furnace]

Yea. But id probably go full engineer and try to do new pcb to integrate it and make the thunderbolt port nice and all that. Would be a fun project. Especially since i want to move my pc to the closet for that minimal feeling.

[devout violet]

are there ways to do some kind of hackey USB over 2.4GHz thing?

sorry I'm having some trouble phrasing it haha

[stray furnace]

Hmm, not sure what you are alluding to. Wifi over usb or do you mean wireless keyboard thingy?

For wifi you would probably just integrate it straight into the keyboard.

[devout violet]

I was discussing with one of my friend if it would be possible to plug the keyboard into a battery bank and a emitter converting USB packets over 2.4GHz back to USB VIA dongle

regardless of the clunkiness

[stray furnace]

Yes, should be possible. It's more a question of bandwidth.

[tight blaze]

Is the 60he V2 compatible with the Alumaze 60? Both boards, the normal one and the one with the split space bar?

[winter cedar]

Yes, all v2 are backwards compatible

[tight blaze]

Thank you.

[lone remnant]

has anyone put their 60HE into an Adam X keyboard?

https://kbdcraft.store/products/case-adam

[candid solar]

Lego case for 20 bucks??

Shit I might buy it

[lone remnant]

precisely haha

but i think you need a custom plate

[oblique pendant]

maybe you can try friction fitting it?

with rubber on the bottom to make the stud not touch the pcb

[candid solar]

usbc also might not lineup

but it is lego so you can kinda just, move it over

[terse cape]

Might have to grab out my old lego boxes from when I was a child 🤣

[lone remnant]

that's an idea!

[lone remnant]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/13zdyae/my_custom_wooting_60he_kbdcraft_adam_keyboard/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_buttonhe

[lone remnant]

someone on reddit pulled it off but he didn't specify details

its an old post too

[quaint schooner]

is it likely the 60he v2 will be released next month? im trying to get it before my birthday

[candid solar]

Q4

(Last 3 months of 2025)

They probably won't ship until feb-march 2026

[quaint schooner]

damn

so still a few months left

all good, ill just keep the money and wait

[candid solar]

Yeah I've got some money in savings tucked away for when its available

[elfin halo]

Do we know what the price will be for this keyboard?

[elfin halo]

👍

Btw is there a differance between the wooting 60HE and the wooting 60HE+

[rotund lotus]

Compatibility for screw in stabilizers

[elfin halo]

Thx

[hardy wadi]

How dare wooting make me edge for the 60v2 when im a Gooner🥀

[molten jasper]

thanks i hadn't signed up for that yet

[rotund lotus]

New update video 👀

Oh wait it's not listed yet

Saaaanderrrrr

[short hare]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCHd4LNAbKY&ab_channel=Wooting

[rotund lotus]

Eyyy

[short hare]

you can now also listen to french or german Calder

[slender plank]

is that edited in rain?

[rotund lotus]

Real rain, really

[raw herald]

They even edited the wet spots on his shirt smh my head

Who are they trying to fool

[rotund lotus]

The amphibians probably