🤩│wooting60hev2

[spring stirrup]

60he+ module is 140$, v2 wont be 150$

[lucid trout]

Well do you think trump will lower tarrifs or he will keep them at 165%

[timber nimbus]

case isn't separate though there's no plastic option

it's alu as stock

[floral gull]

By the time we are in Q4 I'm sure the tarrifs will be so bad that he will be forced to lower them

[spring stirrup]

ask trump not me. you failed the challenge of not talking about usa for 24 hours

[timber nimbus]

which is why folks were impressed if wooting was able to include alu case with just a small price bump

[spring stirrup]

try better next time

[lucid trout]

@timber nimbus should i get ow60?

[timber nimbus]

did you win raffle?

honestly if I mained 60% i prefer the optimum case look personally

[spring stirrup]

over what

[burnt shale]

Owlab

[spring stirrup]

ah

[burnt shale]

If he won the raffle

[lucid trout]

Yes i won raffle

[inner tartan]

I went the other way. I preferred the ow60 over the optimum, but honestly it's not really a good comparison.

[lucid trout]

How it sounds with tikken switches

[timber nimbus]

for me i just would never use the bounce toggle so feels wasted for me to have the owlabs case

[inner tartan]

I have not tested that combo

[spring stirrup]

Which case did you like more optimum or the new v2 case?

[inner tartan]

Hmm also not an easy comparison as it's looks based preference here.

[spring stirrup]

I wish there was a page with better photos

[inner tartan]

For example, if you love the strap, there is only one choice. If you dont want gray there is only one choice

[spring stirrup]

I liked that silver v2 case

[somber raven]

will the wooting 60he v2 have better stability

[floral gull]

In what way?

[inner tartan]

That's the one I'd pick myself. I had not seen it until that video

[lucid trout]

Well can you test it?

[floral gull]

I'm really hoping we get a White Zinc V2 60HE v2 👀

[inner tartan]

Sadly I can't

[somber raven]

when I did latency test using my wooting 60he and then polar65he stability on the wooting was shaky

[inner tartan]

What do you mean by shaky? How/what did you use for testing?

[floral gull]

Oh, the 60HE v2 has an improved PCB for 8k polling so I'm sure it won't disappoint.

[spring stirrup]

how did you test it lol

[lucid trout]

Calder took it from u

[somber raven]

bet

[spring stirrup]

I guess your testing method is bad, wootings firmware might be the most stable on the market

[inner tartan]

Negative

[sinful plover]

you think i can hybrid mount the v2 in salvation

[inner tartan]

What is hybrid mount?

[sinful plover]

just do both

[somber raven]

Not the firmware

[sinful plover]

friction and the "tray" that salvation has

[somber raven]

The way how it pulls and scans

The latency differs it is not always the same

Sometimes it would spike for no reason while testing

[whole oak]

Did you have RGB animations on by chance?

[spring stirrup]

Yes, with the firmware I meant that.

[raw herald]

Both at the same time? You crazy

[floral gull]

What are the odds that my 60HE just started having issues.

[sinful plover]

i'm cooking

[raw herald]

Cooking meth 😆

[lucid trout]

Looks like i have to ask sander to do it

[floral gull]

Its spam typing, plugggggggggggggggggggggg it in and pulling the cable out doesn't do anythingggggggggggggggggggggggggg

bro 😭

[tropic relic]

buy it, try it

[somber raven]

No

i had all the optimal settings for testing

[lucid trout]

He has his owlab

Not giving it

[tropic relic]

buy from raffle

try it

you won -€420 bro

don’t let it go to waste

[urban finch]

i have a 60he+ if someone can tell me some good reasons to buy the v2 i will

but i genuienly lost on whats new

[distant mulch]

look at the pinned FAQ

[spring stirrup]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1103459740186595399/1373034777430589590/60hev2-faq.png?ex=6828f1c8&is=6827a048&hm=bd50753fd6eff4d350729dc1b3b1a0f1e490499499174fe0547c039d86239b41&

[gusty nacelle]

Don’t cop it’s not worth it’s the same keyboard with “true 8k polling” marketing strategies

[spring stirrup]

what do you mean by that

8k is not the only difference, nobody says that 60he+ is bad or anything

no need to be like that

[urban finch]

that aluminum case sounds juicy, but i can gaurentee its gonna be overpriced as shit

[spring stirrup]

Overall v2 is better in every aspect

from sound/feel to performance

[urban finch]

who wants 4mm actuation tho 😭

[weak glade]

whats normal acutation

1mm?

[urban finch]

0.1

[weak glade]

bruh

4mm

[urban finch]

for wooting

[weak glade]

are u shitting me

[urban finch]

but normal idk

[whole oak]

Our true 8k polling (and scanning) is just that. True.

A lot of these knock-off brands claim things that are not remotely true, ignoring any real life benefits of such features.

[whole oak]

0.0005 latency. But only when no keys are pressed, and it's a blood moon.

[urban finch]

when do we get an idea on price

[whole oak]

Closer to release.

[urban finch]

aghh

[urban finch]

how do yall get role colours tha glisten

so aura

[whole oak]

Discord lets us do it for roles as we want.

[urban finch]

oh fr

[floral gull]

I don't want a 60HE v2 I need it.

[urban finch]

i manage a server and i couldnt find any fancy colours

[floral gull]

Most likely a feature that comes with a boosted server.

[urban finch]

its so nice

i want it

mansen is there any ground breaking features that makes the v2 a must need upgrade, im a bit lost on what to think rn

[viscid jackal]

wow

[floral gull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1372898933734379611/1373034267986104441/60hev2-faq.jpg?ex=6828f14f&is=68279fcf&hm=c663dd00aaa7dd2fc157aa1147b1727a6fa6cf579d9405c46451f88594044808& you can decide if its worth it to you

[urban finch]

i saw that

but nothing stands out for me

[floral gull]

I think I'm going to sell my 60HE+ for around $150 since I've done a decent amount of mods to it to afford a v2.

[floral gull]

Same, I really want that metal case and the new switches are a great improvement, my Jades have the sea-saw effect on my bigger keys that I hate.

[distant mulch]

if you see no reason to upgrade, then simply don't

[urban finch]

the case i am defo looking forward too, but that will likely make the price very out of reach to new consumers

[floral gull]

All I want to know right now is how the knob will work that's coming Q1 2026.

wooting.io/knobs

if you don't know what im talking about

[whole oak]

https://tenor.com/view/spoilers-pandorica-river-song-doctor-who-gif-18293417

[floral gull]

lol

I'm wondering how the knob will work on a HE board with no dedicated spot for, it must be very mechanically advanced if it goes into the switch slot. I'm just curious on how it presses down the physical key and sends data to the board to process.

[sleek birch]

what would a rapid trigger knob do? 🤔

[floral gull]

mmmm

[urban finch]

whats that

am i missing sm

[distant mulch]

rotating the knob probably moves the magnet up and down, but I have no idea how it could differentiate if you press it instead 😄

[lucid trout]

You can put what ever You want how much you want

[floral gull]

Thats exactly what I'm thinking.

[timber nimbus]

they've said no large price jump and they want to try keep it to a small bump

[lucid trout]

Wonder why

[tropic relic]

Up and down wouldn’t be continuous, so it’s that and something else.

I’m very interested to see how it’s possible.

Sounds like magic.

[urban finch]

if they can keep the price lower than expectations i will 100% be buying

[floral gull]

I think pressing down the knob would move the magnet in such a pattern that could be detected by software to translate.

I'm sure you would have to put the board in "Knob Mode" tho

[urban finch]

what is this knob 😭

[floral gull]

I'm not sure, it looks kind of ugly though.

[urban finch]

where is it

[floral gull]

type wooting.io/knobs in your browser

[tropic relic]

All that would be visible to the board is the magnet strength at the sensor and the pole. It’ll be something to do with that most likely but how they manage to make a mechanism in that small of a space to do something so complicated is beyond me.

[floral gull]

Perfectly said

[soft sentinel]

instead of two pcb versions

[tropic relic]

If it only were that easy.

[floral gull]

I was thinking about this earlier, the stabs are screw in so they can be removed if you are using a split space bar.

[lucid trout]

@timber nimbus how long do you think it will take chinnese oems to make split spacebar board

[tropic relic]

Bro they’ve had split space for years

though not technically OEMs

mb.

[lucid trout]

Talking Hall effect OEM

[tropic relic]

why OEMs specifically?

there’ve been split space HE boards for a while now

[lucid trout]

Wait really?

[urban finch]

its definatly interesting....

[tropic relic]

Hemu, Rakka, Sayo

Literally over a year already

2 even

[lucid trout]

Show me madlions with split spacebar

[soft sentinel]

Yep. But looks like there is stabs for space or stabs for split keys.

[tropic relic]

https://tenor.com/view/dented-pepe-dentge-meme-hit-gif-15873918808390144538

[soft sentinel]

Still don't understand why two pcb versions.

[whole oak]

Because the switches can't be in both positions and line up with the keycaps on a single PCB.

[lucid trout]

Just gh60 limitation

[tropic relic]

The layout you’ve shown is only possible with a 2.25 - 1.75 - 2.25 split, which isn’t something Woot is going to do because they want broad keycap compatibility.

It’s possible through some other ways as well but that takes time to develop.

[soft sentinel]

But switches can be removed. Keycaps stem can be moved. May be it makes not so compatible with current keycaps sizes.

[whole oak]

But the sensors on the PCB cannot be moved.

And they cannot just overlap.

[soft sentinel]

Why you need move them?

They can't be empty?

[whole oak]

Because otherwise you're not plugging a keycap into the switch.

[valid shadow]

True 8k pricing?

[tropic relic]

The mounting pin of the switch that’s in the 6.25 position is in the same location as the sensor of the 1.25 key.

[tropic relic]

No pricing announced yet.

[short hare]

https://tenor.com/view/sgh-gif-26294888

[stiff jackal]

I just got my 60he today in the mail. After I got it, I saw the announcement of the 60he 2. Now I'm feeling a bit sad and thinking about sending it back and waiting for the 2. Its my first build and just an ordinary gamer. Can anyone help out?

[whole oak]

Should have comissioned a Switchy with a blank sign we could put "See pins" and other fun stuff on 😄

[tropic relic]

Not worth the wait and the higher price imo. Just enjoy your 60HE.

You’re not gonna notice the difference between 8KHz and 1KHz anyway.

[stiff jackal]

Don't you think the higher polling rate is worth waiting for?

[stiff jackal]

Thanks! That's where I'm looking for

[tropic relic]

Unnoticeable

[sleek birch]

if your an ordinary gamer the v2 changes wont really mean anything

[sleek birch]

if you can tell the difference between 1K and 8K polling then you probably have better reflexes than spiderman

[stiff jackal]

I am. But is anyone going to notice this difference?

[spring stirrup]

Difference in sound/feel yes, performance no

[strong tusk]

The faq make it sounds like the 3 buttons spacebar is not symmetrical and the images also looks abit asymmetrical. I am using 3 split bar with the sikakeyb hm66 and would love to go back to wooting however having non symmetrical side split keys seems strange?

[gusty nacelle]

So true

[stiff jackal]

Thanks guys! I'm feeling a bit less sad with the V2 coming out.

[gusty nacelle]

Don’t feel sad it’s gonna be $300

[tropic relic]

I thought about it and it’d seem likely to me that the big one allows for continuous rotation whereas the small one is just a twist. For example when the small one is twisted all the way (magnet to the top or bottom), it acts like a pressed key until you let go of it and it’ll twist back slightly (with a spring or something). This is still complicated as fuck but I honestly don’t see how continuous rotation would be possible with the 1 switch slot knob.

[somber raven]

Hey wooting where’s my role

[whole oak]

Where you left it. On the hub.

[somber raven]

for my wooting 60he

?

[whole oak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hmRHWZSeXw

[somber raven]

ok

yeah to much effort i’m ok

[tropic relic]

lol

[whole oak]

Forever a white role scrub I guess.

[tropic relic]

role shaming 😭😭

[edgy vessel]

chi

[inner tartan]

It was warranted in this case haha.

[tropic relic]

justifying bullying 🥲

https://tenor.com/view/jinx-baloongis-cat-nixly-weaky-repz-gif-25559792

[whole oak]

https://tenor.com/view/what-of-it-rick-blaine-casablanca-does-it-matter-is-it-important-gif-14097317061462644659

[bright oasis]

Y’all should add a pin to this channel so that it can spark more conversation/questions?

And speaking of the v2 does anyone want to talk about it?

I just heard about it

[hardy wadi]

its very nice

tikken switch🫦

[spring stirrup]

Its just better version of 60he, not much to talk about

switches are very interesting tho, 4mm closed bottom 🌹

[bright oasis]

I see. The Wooting 60HE alone is quite good already, it intrigues me to find out why a v2 would even be necessary?

Any specific changes or is that all?

[vocal edge]

Mainly the option of a split spacebar pcb

[bright oasis]

Like any updates to the profiles?

[vocal edge]

And the addition of 8k polling/scanning

[bright oasis]

Wait really?

On a 60HE

[vocal edge]

Mhm on the v2, not a noticeable difference but gets it to the 80hes level performance wise

[white sky]

knobs

[spring stirrup]

Way better stock experience than 60he v1

different mounting, plate, layering options

[bright oasis]

I’m still waiting for a Wooting mouse to come out 😭😅

[bright oasis]

How is the rgb like?

The same as v1?

[spring stirrup]

Rgb is the same

[bright oasis]

Thanks for sharing 🙏.

[green pelican]

Looks nice!

[somber raven]

they said no rgb in the vid

[grim glen]

what

[spring stirrup]

you watched the wrong video

[weak nymph]

yeah theres rgb

[grim glen]

prob just a visitor from a parallel universe where 60he v2 doesnt have rgb

[somber raven]

oh

[somber raven]

why bro

rgb is so ugly

[spring stirrup]

you can disable it

you know that right

[somber raven]

yes

i do

i just hate the concept of it in general

[rich perch]

Good thing you can disable it

[mint epoch]

Can we get Tsangan layout instead of the Split?

[spring stirrup]

no

[mint epoch]

Why not?

[vast dagger]

Because it doesnt support Tsangan, if you want to leave the suggestion you can always do so in #1141096226884956181 more likely not to get lost in the ocean of messages in here

[copper sphinx]

Only thing I would've liked to see is for the pcb to be lowered, so the keycaps are a bit more recessed. The gap makes it kinda floaty imo

[terse cape]

Do we know how much the V2 is?

[spring stirrup]

#🤩│wooting60hev2 message

[terse cape]

Okay and I'm guessing we can buy the PCB ect seperate as I won the OWLab sweepstake to buy the case so don't need the full thing

[spring stirrup]

Module will be separately, yes

[terse cape]

Okay thank you for the help👌

[terse cape]

Okay to DM you?

[spring stirrup]

Just type here

[terse cape]

Would it be worth buying everything from the v2 but the case?

Assume I would still need all apart from the case

[spring stirrup]

Everything is included with the module

[vast dagger]

The module comes with everything aside from switches/keycaps and the case

[spring stirrup]

apart from the case foam

[terse cape]

Okay that's perfect

[spring stirrup]

Its already assembled too, youll just need to put it in the case

and then switches, keycaps

[terse cape]

Yeah I have many switches and keycaps already 🤣

[weak nymph]

??

Just turn it off?

[somber raven]

ik

[hardy wadi]

just get beast x pro with cat dongle

[haughty tartan]

damn it ... not again ... i thought i was over with keebs after HE80 ( which i didn't like as much as the 60HE tbh ... ) ...

[copper sphinx]

wooting electric car is next - no delay, insta throttle response

[lucid trout]

Electric car cringe

[copper sphinx]

petrol cars are finished, bro

[lucid trout]

They are not

[remote granite]

nobody like electric car😪

[candid solar]

Doesn't make electric cars cool

[copper sphinx]

it makes no difference to me, petrol or ev

[candid solar]

Evs are so bleh

Even shit like the rimac, like sure it's cool how quick it is but it's just not that cool to me

As a car

[copper sphinx]

unless I'm into modding or tracking, there's no reason why I'd gush over petrol cars. It's just a mode of transport

[candid solar]

Yeah cars aren't just a mode of transport for me

From your perspective though evs make absolute sense

Like don't get me wrong I see the use for a lot of people

Personally I just won't ever own one nor like them

[copper sphinx]

I'd still ike to own a RAM before going electric, just to take two parking spaces

[candid solar]

[copper sphinx]

shit is so tuff

[candid solar]

Trx with some 44s on it

[copper sphinx]

[candid solar]

Just because fuck you and your parking space

[copper sphinx]

[jade tapir]

hey um... I know I'm in the minority, but anyone know if they'd give the two HE this treatment? I'd love to get the aluminum chassis on my two without needing to build it myself

[short cosmos]

If u wanna spend like 500$ on it sure

[jade tapir]

I mean

if they're giving me the chance...

but I was asking if anyone knew if they were considering it

I missed the updates earlier

[rotund lotus]

Full size best size

[sweet terrace]

are the lekker V2 switches compatible with the original wooting 60HE?

[rotund lotus]

Yes

[sweet terrace]

okay thanks

[craggy tinsel]

By any chance Lerker Tik will be sold separately as switch?

[rotund lotus]

Yes

[dusty sundial]

I want to know more about those Lerker Tiks

[hollow topaz]

will the lekker tikken switches also come out q4?

[vocal vine]

Prob all of it w I ll

[timber nimbus]

They said they’d like it to be possibly a bit earlier than the keyboard but nothing firm on dates

[grim hearth]

Q4

TOO FAR

[vast dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-star-wars-gif-10940865116650073754

[rancid hornet]

At the halfway point to GTA 6 release this new 60he will come out, I think it's a healthy time to wait

[oblique pendant]

we can wait for 60he v2, then the woot knob, then we're going to be really close to experience the hype of GTA 6

[timber nimbus]

I wonder how many folks don’t realize this channel exists due to discords inability to just add default channels to everyone

[sullen bear]

As dissapointing and engulf I am into mx to the point I'm not that hyped for this keyboard, there is a possibility I might pull a thockson move on getting this board and find interest later. @timber nimbus

Even if it's expensive

There's still a chance

Prob my only way back into the wooting family

Finna take papa @inner tartan card and swipe it yknow what I mean?
And get other papa card and buy the sony lens

[forest patio]

Who actually sat down one day and looked at a space bar and thought "split space bar!!"

🤮

[opaque depot]

lots of people

[forest patio]

Lots of people wear crocs and they are wrong as well

[opaque depot]

that's okay, you don't have to buy the product

[quaint schooner]

wassao

[opaque depot]

or you can buy the non-split one

[timber nimbus]

yeah i'm confused, just buy the non split space bar if you don't want it split

[wooden bluff]

currently the main issue with it would be misclicking the middle button with right thumb when typing using homerow - it's not aligned enough to the center of homerow.

[timber nimbus]

i actually prefer it not centered personally

i tend to use more of that left side with my thumb, so it being a bit more to the right works better ergonomically at least for my usage

[wooden bluff]

yeah like having a button like this in middle especially 1.25 will just probably lead to some discomfort regardless.

[modest vigil]

what does q4 mean

how is that a date

[timber nimbus]

last 3 months of the year

[modest vigil]

oh ok

[timber nimbus]

forth quarter

[modest vigil]

i see

[wooden bluff]

more ideally this would happen:

• instead of splitting, add two 1.25 keys on the side of current spacebar (but make the OS key 1.0, so it would shorten spacebar by 2.25 overall, and spacebar still stays centered). (new spacebar size: 4.0)
• you don't need this long spacebar anyway, and it's better having it be solid in the center.
• now you can have the left Alt key better positioned to be accessed by left thumb, especially in games, especially using ESDF position.
• these two new 1.25 would just be Alt and Alt Gr, easier access with thumbs, more centered on kb (meaning easier to reach combinations).

[stray arrow]

I have my og 60he recently switched the 80he because i require more buttons

And also i button mash to hard, the keyboard is somewhat flimsy now

I dont understand the space bar split on the new one either

Its fine how it normally is!

[vast dagger]

gotta get that Sony lens for sure

just make sure it's GM, only the best

[vast dagger]

well luckily you can select the normal spacebar option if the split spacebar isn't something you want

[opaque depot]

horses were also fine but henry ford invented the car anyway

[summer saddle]

Will v2 pcb be compatible with ow case for v1 ?

[spring stirrup]

yes

it will be compatible with any 60he case

[summer saddle]

Thank you , great to know !

[wooden bluff]

like it is now I just can't really buy the v2, because of the not aligned enough (with homerow) spacebar split (since just getting v2 non-split now also doesn't feel right (wouldn't feel right anyway because already have 60he, so would only want to get some more special split version of it, and like put Alt as the middle key (just have 2 left Alts really, or something else with different profile))).
I feel like for gaming, the middle button is a bit too far away, and also the right space part is too far for some binding in game (together with being not aligned it's just not great overall).

[spring stirrup]

normal spacebar version is still going to be a nice upgrade if you have v1 60he

[wooden bluff]

nah, not with import tax and stuff, it's still expensive purchase. (worth it ofc if you don't already have 60he)

[wooden bluff]

but again, why not just do 2.50 - 1.25 - 2.50, it's already like tiny split spacebar market, and you need special convex keycaps for spacebar anyway, it feels wrong with some concave shift caps or something people have laying around.
just set a better standard, and also just make more spacebar cap versions yourself, and others will also follow as well.

Symmetrical and same click feel and sound; as aligned as possible; left part is still not as small as if swapping 2.75 and 2.25 around === profit.

[timber nimbus]

wouldn't 2x 2.5 be a nightmare to have

as far as keycap compatibility

[wooden bluff]

no, and also wooting would make more versions themselves, and also others would follow suit. and you can order custom ones too - and also most people wouldn't change them anyway, and if they do, they can do some custom order etc.

[timber nimbus]

i'm looking at kits now and I don't see many with 2x 2.5

whereas most sets sell or provide the standard spacebar kits which have 2.25 and 2.75

2x 2.5 would be a nightmare for peoples kit options outside of custom ordering stuff

[wooden bluff]

but you need to weigh the benefits mentioned with some people (very small percentage btw) wanting to swap the space caps - and it's still possible just doing some custom order, or even DIY.

[timber nimbus]

honestly doesn't sound all that viable of an idea to me

[wooden bluff]

why are you so focused on this keycap compatibility, this is just a fallacy - most people won't swap them at all etc. and wooting would just also provide let's say with 5 extra alternatives you can add 1 or more of them to your order, etc.

[timber nimbus]

wooting has said they care about keycap compatibility

just throwing out basically all keycap compatibility is not on their cards

[wooden bluff]

but not when it damages the functionality and symmetry and click feel and sound.

you have to weigh these things against each other.

[timber nimbus]

i'm not sure I agree that 2.25 and 2.75u is bad in the way you say outside of a very specific niche of people like yourself

[wooden bluff]

again you're just focused too much on this compatibility silliness, and I said already how this would be mitigated.

[timber nimbus]

anyhow this whole thing is a non starter because there's no way wooting is going to purposely pick a format that doesn't exist in any keycap sets

so it's never going to happen

[wooden bluff]

but it will happen though, it's people like you that "toe the party line" that make this an impossibility. don't think for others, think for yourself, cast vote for yourself - if everyone did this - we would soon realize this compatibility doesn't matter nearly as much - especially with the proposed ways to mitigate this, and some 3rd party manufacturers following suit.

[timber nimbus]

i'll just agree to disagree.

[spring stirrup]

many people swap keycaps and keycap compatibility will be huge issue

[wooden bluff]

it's not "many people" and I already suggested ways to mitigate this - Wooting themselves would provide many more versions of extra spacebars added to order (also also 2 extra spacebars in general, to DIY).
just this obsession over it in general is silly (like YOU HAVE TO CHANGE YOUR SPACEBAR), come on.

[oblique pendant]

What if you found a keycap you really like online but you can only get 2.25 and 2.75 instead of 2.50 and 2.50? Also if wooting adding extra version of spacebar, they would've done the same for the strap but they aren't doing that.

[wooden bluff]

Wooting would easily do this though, it's not the same situation as with strap. Also to begin with include 2 extra 2.50 of default color (or maybe even these you could swap out for some other version, and for free).

[oblique pendant]

MAYBE if they own GMK, I don't think people want their smol spacebar to be pbt while the rest of their keycaps being nice premium German Made ABS.

[spring stirrup]

Their customer support is already exploded with tickets, now imagine if they did what you say, people will cry about it all day

Not everyone uses default keycaps, you understand that right?

[whole oak]

Our ticket load is actually pretty good right now.

[timber nimbus]

mansen secretly own a keycap brand selling exclusive 2.5u keycaps, he's ahead of the plan

[spring stirrup]

wooting has 2.5u spacebars for every existing keycap set

😃👍

[timber nimbus]

i'm not actually even sure where you order a 2.5u keycap

i don't think you can even find them on alixpress

[oblique pendant]

soo rare

[wooden bluff]

again, everything I said + they are split with a middle button, so they don't serve the same aesthetic intent a singular spacebar would - so would have far less desire to replace them with something fancy.

[timber nimbus]

i feel like this entire plan is solving a problem that only exists for a very very tiny subset of people and giving a problem to a much larger amount of people then making wooting be the one having to figure out how to solve this much larger problem

while they'd also be tanking all the public outcry from every youtuber jumping on board to call wooting out as trying to profit by making a 2.5u exclusive wooting only keycap solution

the youtube title writes itself - "Wooting just made EVERY keycap set incompatible with their keyboard"

[wooden bluff]

you literally have it upside down - the keycap compatibility is that small problem you talk about, while functionality, better alignment with homerow, symmetry, click feel and sound - are the much more significant problems.

[timber nimbus]

to you maybe, but i'm not sure i'm seeing many people running into these issues you're talking about with 2.75u and 2.25u spacebar

[opaque depot]

time to send a massive number of tickets

[whole oak]

Fleimi. How could you. After all we've been through.

[opaque depot]

it's a small price to pay

[oblique pendant]

I feel like you better of getting a split ergo if that's all you want.

The split spacebar might be flipped compared to 'standard' but at least it support the same set of caps that support the standard. Unlike the 2.50 split.

[timber nimbus]

i've literally been searching for 30 mins and can't even find a place to custom order a 2.5u keycap

i don't think they even make molds for that because it doesn't exist, you'd have to make the mold

[neat blaze]

What are the sizes of the split spacebars?

2.25u and 2u or something new

[timber nimbus]

check pins, last q on the photo

[neat blaze]

Oops I missed, thank you 🙏🏻

[wooden bluff]

but it's also just extra weird why Wooting that is supposed to do like "perfect" things, wants to still conform with keycap compatibility this much.
1st Wooting can afford to make 90% profit. 10% decrease wouldn't matter, especially not because of the more perfection achieved.
especially also now Wooting has a lot of influence for 3rd party manufacturers to take them into account. not all of them would do it, but enough. + ofc Wooting can easily just release a few more keycap sets themselves, and/or include extra sets of unconventional keycaps (with choice of having these sets be of different version - swap of this extra set being free).

• not every single keyboard release has to be standard/conventional - you can at least do 1 unconventional release with like (almost) pure focus on Gaming.
  (with focus on ESDF (but also works with WASD), ANSI sized left Shift for ISO, much more centralized left Alt (and right) placement, bigger left Ctrl key esp. important for ESDF, better Caps Lock key utilization for gaming, make it the '< >' key instead, swap it to another less important place (because it's annoying to have it take this extra space for gaming bindings), etc.)

[ashen patrol]

7u sb on v2 ?

[spring stirrup]

no

[oblique pendant]

nah, only 6.25 or split 2.75, 1.25, and 2.25

[ashen patrol]

gg

[oblique pendant]

it's fine

most people going to be happy with the 6.25u

[ashen patrol]

1 day we will get it

[opaque depot]

it's just less keys for no benefit so no real reason to make that

especially since so few people would want it anyway

[ashen patrol]

bottom row symmetry

[spring stirrup]

not everyone cares about that

[opaque depot]

meaningless

[spring stirrup]

except the small group of enthusiasts

[opaque depot]

it's not a benefit, it's an aesthetic choice

[ashen patrol]

your keyboard looking nice is a benefit for me

so it is not meaningless

[opaque depot]

well great but that's not an objective plus so

[ashen patrol]

[spring stirrup]

its not meaningless for you but its meaningless for like 80%

[timber nimbus]

i think it's more that they're not closed to the idea but that they don't have a good solution to adding 7u and tsangan support to the pcb sku options

[oblique pendant]

maybe one day they'll figure it out.

Or you can figure it out for them

[ashen patrol]

1 day

[timber nimbus]

tldr is they're limited by what they can do in a pcb intended for pre builts and that's what is making it tricky for them where even if they want to offer all these other layouts it's a pain to make it work

[ashen patrol]

and then people would know 7u supremacy

[wooden bluff]

4u supremacy (+ extra benefit)

[opaque depot]

nah it sucks and you are poopoohead

[wooden bluff]

yeah not caring about keycap compatibility, that like 90%+ of people that buy wooting also don't care about, that most people advocate about FOR OTHER people, not themselves - and this way make a fallacy and also a wrong impression of consensus - IS THE BIGGEST CRIME OF ANY KB SERVER.

[spring stirrup]

Will it be shocking for you if I tell you that at least 25% of wooting users swap keycaps?

[timber nimbus]

i'm pretty sure everyone who commented in here besides maybe manabanker himself is using non default keycaps

[spring stirrup]

what is that 90%+ made up number

[earnest marsh]

A keycap set swap is probably the most common mod, done to a keyboard that is designed to be highly moddable

[timber nimbus]

i'm not sure how we're advocating on behalf of other people when we're all using non stock keycaps right now lol

[idle pilot]

With V2 is it both compatible with Tofu Redux with screw in mount or friction pad mount? Assuming if friction pad mount it would still have the grounding issue?

[timber nimbus]

it will be compatible with screw in mount at least. friction mount will depend on if the new friction fit pad is the same as previous one

[wooden bluff]

kb servers are extreme bubbles, and even beyond that, 20 active users that do modifications that are the ones talking in these servers. it's a complete misrepresentation of the broader customer base + additionally all the things I mentioned Wooting would do to mitigate this + DIY, etc.

[spring stirrup]

you can get this and ground it

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CXPHPYZR?ref_=ppx_hzsearch_conn_dt_b_fed_asin_title_1

[opaque depot]

average manabanker insane moment

makes no sense to create custom keycap sizes so that half the market is instantly turned off from buying an already niche device lmao

it's that simple

[earnest marsh]

I think the people who would go for split spacebar are having a higher chance of being a part of the demographic who want to mod the thing

[idle pilot]

Thanks both @spring stirrup , @timber nimbus

[ashen patrol]

[timber nimbus]

i don't even know who is having some big issue with 2.25/2.75u keycap setup besides him, it's not even an issue as far as I know

[formal oar]

id i get a 60he now with alu case, and get the 60heV2 module does it fit in the poseidon case?

[whole oak]

Some would for sure. But I can also see it being a popular grab for FPS players who have that very specific finger position muscle memory.

[spring stirrup]

yes

[whole oak]

If the regular 60HE fits in it, so will the 60HEv2

[opaque depot]

I dunno who does the electrical engineering, but what point does grounding a metal case actually serve

like actually would want to hear from the people making it

[whole oak]

Having both parts share grounding, means you don't risk getting zapped by the case at random.

Ever touched a car or a fridge and get zapped?

[earnest marsh]

I have not much to do with 60he v2 development though other than annoying Kevin so this is just my human opinion and my company face isn't on

[whole oak]

This is also why the W2/W1/2HE had that issue where the RGB would die on half of the board, if the daughterboard wasn't properly grounded together with the rest of the board.

[opaque depot]

I wanna hear from the people that actually do the engineering if possible

[whole oak]

Doubt you'll get Jeroen on the server these days.

[opaque depot]

or just someone who knows electrical engineering in general

well I won't but you will

[whole oak]

Haha, no.

[opaque depot]

do it

[timber nimbus]

i know of electricity and of some engines

that's the same thing

[opaque depot]

that's more than me already

[timber nimbus]

my technical analysis is groundy groundy makes case touch avoid go owwy owwy

[ashen patrol]

[zealous bolt]

V2

[opaque depot]

i feel like the purpose might be twofold -- EMI protection (though wouldn't apply with a plastic case so not sure how relevant) and more an ESD protection -- so when you've been rolling around in your satin bedsheets and built up 10kV in your body and then touch and zap the case, the spike has a low-resistance path to ground instead of (potentially) damaging electronics inside

but realistically your friction-fit mounted module has no electrical contact to the case to begin with, so how would you zap the electronics?

bunch of things would have to go wrong for the static shock to find it's way into the logic pins of the MCU or whatever and fry them

like "I soldered a wire to the MCU and connected it to the case, then charged myself with static electricity in an effort to kill the keyboard" wrong

and considering all this, it is my assumption that it might be more a regulatory thing

"any device with metallic case needs to have the casework grounded"

and if such, probably not a big deal to leave the grounding out

I dunno, you tell me (Jeroen where you at )

[timber nimbus]

yeah i'd wager it being more of a 'just in case' precaution than something that is a major thing

[steady trench]

guys… i just got wooting 60he v3

[quaint schooner]

Price?

[quaint schooner]

will the optimum kit be updated to include the 60he v2 module instead of the 60he+?

[somber raven]

they use the same key caps

i’m pretty sure

[vapid surge]

should i return my wooting module i got it yesterday for the new one
or isnt it worth the wait

[spring stirrup]

new 60he isnt available until q4 2025

if you want keyboard now, then keep your module

[whole oak]

There's no "Kit". It's a bundle of items you buy together and put together yourself.
So yes. Once the V2 comes out, the bundle will include the V2 module, because the V1 no longer exists.

[quaint schooner]

oh i had no idea the v1 wasnt going to be sold anymore

[whole oak]

Why sell two versions of the same exact product?

[spring stirrup]

60he+ 🫡

I mean that it will be gone after v2 comes out 😆

[whole oak]

[oblique pendant]

RIP 1khz 60he

[spring stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-bozo-gif-22294771

[oblique pendant]

Also, can't wait to see eyejoker's test on it

[spring stirrup]

👀

[oblique pendant]

maybe it'll be 1:1 to 80he

[spring stirrup]

hope he wont test it with alpha firmware like 80he lol

[oblique pendant]

Is the one on the DB still the old one?

[spring stirrup]

Yes, its tested with first firmware

there was led bar bug

and some other potential performance bugs too

[oblique pendant]

even with bug

[spring stirrup]

Most likely 6000/4000hz are because of led bar bug

[oblique pendant]

still really insane

Maybe 60hev2 will have more complete firmware

and eyejoker can retest 80he along wise the 60hev2

If he bothered I guess.

[spring stirrup]

🌹

[spring stirrup]

A lot of time until v2, so I doubt there will be that many bugs

[quaint schooner]

idk you tell me

[whole oak]

You were the one suggesting it, not I.

[tropic relic]

https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1373328048870523032

[ember nebula]

i just got my 60he a week ago and there's already a v2 😭

[whole oak]

No. There will be one in Q4.

That's months away.

[ember nebula]

oh

[quaint schooner]

return it and wait for the v2

[tame axle]

Can i order the pcb of the v2 only?

[whole oak]

A module? Yes. Just like you can with the 60HEv1

[ember nebula]

im pretty sure u cant order it

[tame axle]

Will it be compatible with the owlab case?

[whole oak]

Yes. The PCB hasn't changed as far as cases are concerned. Backwards compatible.

[quaint schooner]

the difference between 1k and 8k hz is night and day

[long oyster]

Are the screw mounts going to be the same? For example if I want to put it in the tofu 60 redux

[whole oak]

Yes.

[long oyster]

[hardy wadi]

silver 60v2 case 🫦

[reef horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gif-3935116808772397515

[hardy wadi]

question about the 60he travel case. Is black and yellow calders favourite colour or was there a voting done by the community

i wasnt here when the company started out so im just curious

[reef horizon]

pretty sure that’s just the 60he’s color scheme

[timber nimbus]

i would assume they just did it for branding continuity

[reef horizon]

the strap, cable, take control keycaps, and travel case all have that yellow and black color scheme

[timber nimbus]

they used black/yellow heavy for wooting logo stuff so they continued the design palette to the case

[hardy wadi]

yeah i notice they like the black/yellow and green colourway for certain designs

[reef horizon]

I think calder just likes bees

[timber nimbus]

i don't know if they had a designer doing that stuff back then, but it's quite common to have a brand color palette that you make in something like https://color.adobe.com

[hardy wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/bee-breakdancing-epic-gif-27005775

i see thank you guys for your input

[quaint schooner]

yes

[dense totem]

can yall make an giveaway for the ne wooting 60 he v2

[short cosmos]

its not even out

[dense totem]

yeah when its coming out

[spring stirrup]

q4 2025

[hardy wadi]

q4 2025

[hollow sentinel]

what does q4 mean

[quaint schooner]

i returned my 60he just to wait for the 60he v2

[hardy wadi]

thats if there no delays

[hollow sentinel]

oh okay

ty

[flint stone]

anyone know if those tikken keys are gonna be lighter than the 45s

[spring stirrup]

no, but you can spring swap

[hardy wadi]

did they say the grams on the tikken were?

probably 60g

[spring stirrup]

40/60

[hardy wadi]

🌹 ty

[quaint schooner]

bro they need to make it lighter

[spring stirrup]

No

If you want lighter get light springs and swap them out

[quaint schooner]

where can i buy springs other than wooting

[blazing grail]

Good evening Just curious ordered today OwLab OW60 will there be coming a wooting 60hev2 module? and fit in this case ?

[spring stirrup]

yes

[blazing grail]

superb 🙂

[spring stirrup]

youll have to wait a bit tho

[blazing grail]

wallet empty now so can wait 😛

[neat blaze]

Only issue might be with the split spacebar layout

Don’t think that’ll work with all the accessories owlab case comes with

[spring stirrup]

what accessories?

[tropic relic]

plate ig

[neat blaze]

Like the carbon fiber plate

[spring stirrup]

stock plate will still work, otherwise they wouldnt make it

[blazing grail]

wil go default ansi

[spring stirrup]

doesnt make sense

[neat blaze]

Should work if you use the included ones that come with module

Yeah haha just wanted to point it out since I thought the split spacebar was cool

[blazing grail]

thx all

[magic thorn]

Will the split spacebar and the little button in the middle be programmable as separate buttons? This will be very important to me as I have small hands and I am always looking to have more easily reachable buttons. To play Fortnite. ❤️

[sinful plover]

every key on wooting boards is remappable

[opaque depot]

what would the point be if it was just all spacebars

[terse cape]

Maybe I want 3 spacebars

Ever think of that

Might remap all my brothers keys to spacebar now we're on this topic

[opaque depot]

that's valid and sane

[earnest marsh]

we sell 35g springs if you really want to go even even lighter yaknow :p

[upbeat perch]

it's absolutely insane to me that a gaming brand adopts split spacebars. Now give me arrow keys instead of the comically large rshift and a dedicated FN key (we'll have rspace for that!) and it's the perfect 60% layout

[quaint schooner]

the l45s are too light for me and the l60s are too heavy, and wooting sells nothing in between

[sleek birch]

there's 50g ones bruh

[upbeat perch]

GEON Raw L50?

[quaint schooner]

they have a 3.4mm full travel

[earnest marsh]

im surprised we dont have some 50g spring tbh

i even thought we did

[quaint schooner]

deadass

50g is like the perfect weight

[inner tartan]

The weight on the Tikken is pretty close. I think it was measured at 43-54cn start to end

[earnest marsh]

i wasnt sure if i was allowed to share those specifics :p

[inner tartan]

haha its listed as 40-60 on the site so Im guessing it's good fingers crossed

[earnest marsh]

oh word :p

[cunning lark]

if I'm using the Optimum case, should I go with the silicone ring that came with the case itself, or stick with the one that's already on my V2 base? Trying to figure out which works best. Thanks in advance! 😊

[inner tartan]

The case one

[teal basalt]

so the "friction fit" pcb is just held together like legos? just wedged?

[inner tartan]

yes

[teal basalt]

is that stable

How is the pcb held on the 60 HE V1?

[inner tartan]

Tray mounted

[rotund lotus]

You can hold the keyboard upside down and it stays in just fine.

I expect you could use the keyboard on a roller coaster without any issues

That would be a funny short, I'm gonna suggest it

[coarse socket]

When two he v2 👀

[rotund lotus]

Not today 😭

[teal basalt]

what is the difference between screw in and plate mount stabilizers

[rotund lotus]

Screw in is more stable

[teal basalt]

what is the scan rate of the 60HE V2? is it different from the 80HE? Im asking cuz ive seen some budget keyboards with 128k scan rate whatever that means

i think i saw the 80he do 16 or 32k im not sure

[timber nimbus]

Tldr - scan rate is often a bs number when you see crazy high rates. They took the single key non he scan rate and listed it even though that’s not what the board is usually scanning

[teal basalt]

So like how certain mice aren't true 8k?

[timber nimbus]

No it’s closer to how some mice list 483739273k dpi

It’s become a nonsense stat basically

[teal basalt]

you can't even practically use 4million dpi

[timber nimbus]

exactly

[teal basalt]

So that number is just a lie

wow

[lucid trout]

Because higher and lower number = better than wooting chinnese he boards logic 101

[teal basalt]

I've seen on Wootility a friend of mine was using his 80HE and it said 16k or 32k on it

[rotund lotus]

80he is 8k

The difference between 1k and 8k is so tiny that it could only possibly matter to the best professional gamers in the world in the tiniest percentage of scenarios

More than 8k adds no value in any capacity

[timber nimbus]

The main thing is as long as your board is scanning at at least the polling rate then you’re good

[teal basalt]

I don't think it's that rare to find a scenario it would be beneficial.

[timber nimbus]

it’s actually been measured

They vod reviewed a zekken game and check where any differences in frame ms reaction would matter

Tldr is it didn’t matter

[rotund lotus]

That's between 1k and 8k. Above 8k, the frame where the action happens is the same, precisely and fully 0 practical difference

[tribal sluice]

how do u make gradient colors for discord roles

[rotund lotus]

Odd question to reply to a conversation on scanning rate with

It's a server setting

[tribal sluice]

i just noticed ur role has a gradient

thought i was tripping

never seen it before didnt know it was possible

[timber nimbus]

What if you are tripping though

[tribal sluice]

maybe i am

[rotund lotus]

New feature, not all servers have it

[tribal sluice]

ah i see

[rotund lotus]

Requires boosts to "pay" for it

[tribal sluice]

anyway dont want to send too much off topic stuff thx for telling me tho

[rotund lotus]

Np

[teal basalt]

There are countless times where having a couple miliseconds of time would've saved me

Like think of any time you trade

And your opponent dies at the same time you die.

Many of those times happend with hitscan weapons too. On pretty low ping too. I get like 40 ping on NAC and 10 ping on NAE.

[rotund lotus]

My friend, were not talking about a couple millisecond

We're talking about 0.0675 millisecond difference between 8k and 16k

And how this difference results in the same frame of action client side and no difference in the server side processing

[teal basalt]

How is the server side not relevant

[rotund lotus]

Let me provide you with a practical example. In track mania, when two race times are within 1 millisecond, the winner is decided by the alphabetical order of the account ID

[vast dagger]

Also a keyboard is not like a mouse where every input registers as movement on the screen it's either on or off, so the difference is much smaller

[winter sentinel]

think about it like this, 1k is 1000 times per second, so if you have less than 1000 fps, the frame where your key is registered is always that frame no matter of any polling rate higher than 1000

[timber nimbus]

Your examples are basically talking about numbers 100 to 1000 or more times bigger than the numbers we’re talking about

[vast dagger]

Do you notice the difference between being on 10 and 11 ping? Because this is less than that

[timber nimbus]

That’s how absurdly small the latency differences become as you go higher in scan rate

[teal basalt]

the point is that there were moments that were immeasurable to the human eye

[timber nimbus]

Yeah but the gain becomes basically non existent the lower you go

For example you see those boards advertising 0.001rt? Did you know if you drop one more decimal down you’re measuring the size of the coronavirus under a microscope

When you drop into smaller decimals the measurable amount gets crazy small

[winter sentinel]

also

[rotund lotus]

But we're not talking about human eyes, we're talking about computer systems that run code. The way that system, every game, implements net code and tick rate makes it irrelevant

[winter sentinel]

again if you have under 1000 fps and refresh rate, above 1khz literally makes no difference

[vast dagger]

Makes a difference on a mouse, whether that translates to better performance in game is another argument though

[winter sentinel]

it definitely makes a difference on a mouse, where its a full planar field that your making analog changes to

but it doesnt really make a difference above 2k hz on a mouse anyway

[rotund lotus]

With mice you get the added dynamic of the additional calculation load on the CPU making worse the performance. Thankfully on keyboards that's two orders of magnitude less impact

[devout violet]

hype

i need the split board!!

so op for gd

[vast dagger]

Yeah there are still not that many games that support 8k on mouse properly

I believe apex legends still does not for example

[winter sentinel]

point is if youre worried about refresh rate, the maximum youll ever need is 1k for keyboard, 2k for mouse

unless you have over 1000hz monitors

which you dont

[devout violet]

8k is great for spam and control heavy games like gd

otherwise 1k is plenty for fps

as someone who uises the 60HE+ and 80HE I can actually feelka difference in spam and timing consistency in that game

[timber nimbus]

I’d wager some of the felt difference is stiffness of the plate and such more so than the latency differences of the two boards

[oblique pendant]

at least 8k on a good board is nice as a way to tell that you're having skill issue rather than the board potentially acting up.

[timber nimbus]

some people find they’re more consistent when the board does/doesn’t bounce as much

Assuming we’re talking about osu and such anyway

[rotund lotus]

That's not exactly true, because the systems aren't synced.

One thing we found when doing end to end latency testing to compare the 60he+ and the 80he was that the difference in the standard deviation of when the keypress started versus when it is registered is both measurable and noticable.

That's to say, the 60he+ had a standard deviation of about 360-380 microseconds (0.36 milliseconds) compared to a 80he at around 50-70 microseconds (0.05 milliseconds)

In games where input precision is a primary metric, like rhythm games, the players could "feel" the difference between the two keyboards. But this feeling wasn't due to the speed of the reaction, the human brain normalizes for that incredibly well. Instead the difference was in consistency.

There's a kurzgesagt video about how humans currently live in the future, based on how the brain processes electric signals from the nervous system, it's very interesting

[timber nimbus]

The weird part is aero was feeling the reverse in that he found the 60he more consistent, which is why maybe his issue may be more bounce related than keyboard latency

[rotund lotus]

https://youtu.be/wo_e0EvEZn8?si=_8qI1VR46D3ivtt9

[oblique pendant]

Waow, if you tell me that to search I wouldn't be able to find it based on the thumbnail and the title.

[late cosmos]

[rotund lotus]

Which if nothing else, is further evidence of going above 8k not mattering and the rest of the keyboard package being way more important - things that Wooting does well

[last nacelle]

i need a big dawg who is going to computex to cop me a ice blue wooting strap, i will pay u whatever fr 🙏

[rotund lotus]

Yea indeed, I knew the video and struggled the find it, dumb title

[oblique pendant]

It's not the creator's fault, it's youtube.

[rotund lotus]

Ehhhhhhhhhh little column a, little column b

[timber nimbus]

I heard marks delivery service for 150k applies to straps as well

[rotund lotus]

I was looking in the list of videos from the creator with the watched filter, that's not YouTube algo

[rotund lotus]

I will hand deliver any Wooting keyboard anywhere in the world accessible by public roads for $150,000.
This includes prototypes and of course any strap color we've made.

[last nacelle]

nah im cooked

[rotund lotus]

If you only want the strap, I'd offer a 0.66% discount

[oblique pendant]

$990 discount, can buy you wooting + owlab, nice deal.

[winter sentinel]

watched that and it freaked me out

[winter sentinel]

i been trying to find someone on fiverr to get me a strap and post it 😭

[teal basalt]

does anyone have a sound test of EPDM foam vs silicone block?

[quaint schooner]

yes

[teal basalt]

may i see

[quaint schooner]

no

cuz i lied i dont have it

sorry

[teal basalt]

lol why u lion

[quaint schooner]

idk tbh

[oblique pendant]

Iirc, they did a quick soundtest of that in the last Friday's stream

After like 40min mark/During QnA prop

[teal basalt]

yeah but it was hard to tell the difference with those mics they used

[oblique pendant]

Maybe wait for Sanders to post it

Since he will prop do a sound test with other switches too

[cunning lark]

Would a 4mm key switch be more tiring for typing compared to a 3.5mm key switch?

[inner tartan]

No, it's the spring weight that matters when thinking about fatigue

[rotund lotus]

And critically how it feels on the bottom of the keypress, which is all about mounting style and plate materials

Steel plate + tray mount will cause more fatigue than fr4 + friction fit

[cunning lark]

Will you create new shaped spacebar keycaps for Wooting's official keycaps to accommodate the V2 split spacebar design, including options like the Optimum Keycap Set?

[rotund lotus]

There are new versions of the PBT keycaps in the works that will include these keys, with all languages expecting to have sold out of the current version and swap to the new version before the 60he v2 is on the market

The new ISO-FR pbt keycaps already have the split spacebar compatibility from the start, we will be showing these at Computex

[oblique pendant]

computex soon

in like 2-3 days

[rotund lotus]

The booth has been built, tomorrow we set up all the Wooting stuff, Tuesday it's go time!

[cunning lark]

Okay, I'll buy a new set immediately once you release the Optimum Keycap Set. Can't imagine life without it.

[tropic relic]

64% split space enjoyer, holy

[tropic relic]

The PBT ANSI/UK-ISO sets already include all keycaps needed.

[tropic relic]

A new version of the optimum keycaps?

[devout violet]

I wonder if KBDfans or Wooting will release black and white Polycarbonate, black CF and black/gold FR4 split 60HE v2 plates

I would buy 🤩

[tropic relic]

if there’s enough demand for it, of course

[devout violet]

i will definitely demand for such things

[sinful plover]

Woot needs to release plates for all their boards

[oblique pendant]

Yes, would gladly be happy paying $30 shipping if the plate is great.

[spring stirrup]

@tropic relic i just noticed, i named my switch moonknight and they called it moonlight

[tropic relic]

close enough

[spring stirrup]

oh wait i thought that was the new switch, nvm

[tropic relic]

I think it is

but we’ll see

[spring stirrup]

normal stem...

[tropic relic]

voting was purely symbolic

[oblique pendant]

The game was rigged from the start ahh phrase

[tropic relic]

it’s gateron.. what can we expect?

[spring stirrup]

whatever

we take those free switches 🌹

[rotund lotus]

Not the optimum yet, the double shot Wooting PBT in black and white

[tropic relic]

oh, what’s the change?

[whole oak]

Having French keycaps in PBT.

So far it's only been ABS.

[tropic relic]

hmm, alright

[rotund lotus]

And the keys to for split spacebar that don't look turned around, as was the subject of conversation

[tropic relic]

if we mean the same thing, those are included already. A 2.75U convex spacebar and a 2.25U convex spacebar. :)

and more than enough modifiers to cover the center key.

Though, no convex key for that but I don’t think it’d be necessary.

[thorny loom]

will the owl 60 case be compatible with the wooting 2, im gonna guess not but just gonna ask

[spring stirrup]

wooting 2he?

[thorny loom]

ye that one

[spring stirrup]

no, owlabs case is 60%

[thorny loom]

the wooting 2 60he is fricton fit yes so wonding if compatible i think so unless im being dumb

[spring stirrup]

60he v2 is compatible.

[thorny loom]

nice

thx for help

[sand estuary]

Can’t wait to see what the price is man

[wooden bluff]

please just make a 2.5-1.25-2.5 version since you have photoshop template all ready and i don't, or send the ps file.

the right blue line there is a bit differently aligned across versions btw, the left is just a touch misaligned too, why use different lines, just use the same layers.

[winter cedar]

I just hope the PET film is sold separately on some mod kit. I am seeing myself putting it on all 60HEs that currently don't have it

That alone makes a HUGE difference on the keyboard sound profile

[spring stirrup]

They said they plan to sell fr4 plate, I doubt they will sell other parts like pet film, silicon/foams

[winter cedar]

Then it will probably be included in the kit. Usually the PC kit includes all foams already

[toxic torrent]

Silicone (not friction pad) and poron plate foam is included with wootings pc plate

[spring stirrup]

i mean silicon case dampener

there is an option foam or silicon

[toxic torrent]

Youre right, mb 😳

[tropic relic]

@wooden bluff

😃👍

[tropic relic]

it’s not a top down image, that’s why the blue lines are both slightly titled. ;)

[wooden bluff]

no it's not what i'm talking about
they are not same layers across both versions
like you drew 4 different lines

[lapis birch]

2.5-1.25-2.5 doesn't make sense, because almost none of the sets have such keycaps
Meanwhile afaik all GMK sets for example do include both 2.25 and 2.75u spacebars

[tropic relic]

yeah.

I didn’t draw the lines with ps

or anything else for that matter 😅

[spring stirrup]

According to them, 90%+ dont care about swapping keycaps

[lapis birch]

[timber nimbus]

Oh no don’t start it again, we already lost arcwyn for awhile after the last 2.5u conversation lol

[tropic relic]

https://tenor.com/view/memes-gif-9980668056796018353

[spring stirrup]

he'll be back, he had enough of this split spacebar BS

[timber nimbus]

Yeah

[lapis birch]

Meh, I don't really care it it's 2.25-1.25-2.75 or 2.75-1.25-2.25
But 2.5 doesn't make sense

[timber nimbus]

Believe us we all tried to explain it already lol

[tropic relic]

optimally it’d be 2.5 - 1 - 2.75

[spring stirrup]

lol

[tropic relic]

but not worth proprietary keycaps

[hardy wadi]

just split the whole keyboard instead

[tropic relic]

would be sick ngl

[hardy wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/chris-evans-wood-break-split-gif-16415943

random question but did final mouse end up releasing their crap keyboard?

[raw herald]

The centerpiece has not yet been released.

[hardy wadi]

ty

imo its looks so stupid

[tropic relic]

finalboy does too, so it’s fitting

[hardy wadi]

[tropic relic]

from gaming keyboard to gaming on my keyboard 🔥🔥

[hardy wadi]

REAL TUFF

[spring stirrup]

😃 👍

[hardy wadi]

puts lion on keyboard to let people know

[hardy wadi]

who tf is final boy?

[spring stirrup]

founder of finalmouse

[hardy wadi]

i swear the marketing for final mouse is made by a 6 year old

"get an ipad as a keyboard"

"all the pros will love it"

[sinful plover]

i still dont understand why anyone would buy the centerpiece

shits so ugly and not moddable either

[hardy wadi]

"who cares about performance when you got lcd screen keyboard"

[spring stirrup]

yea

[hardy wadi]

hive mind sheep people

will buy the lcd screen keyboard

im even surprised final mouse as a company is still around at this point

[lucid trout]

Americans...

[spring stirrup]

shut up

[tropic relic]

“Especially at its price point” RIGHTTTTT 🤣🤣🤣

[hardy wadi]

ima join that server just to take trash to that monkey

let him ban me

shady ass company with shady return policies

[lucid trout]

Finalmouse is american company?

[timber nimbus]

Lets be civil, no need to go into another discord just to cause issues

[hardy wadi]

you right my fault

but goku black on the other hand....

[spring stirrup]

yea thats cringe, youll be same as someone who joins this discord and shits on wooting

[hardy wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/zamasu-dragon-ball-black-goku-gif-18156772

[hardy wadi]

i was just joking but youre right

[timber nimbus]

Jakubix honestly gotta stop trying to make everything about the race stuff

it’s just weird.

[hardy wadi]

forgive me my fellow wooting brothers for i have sinned

[timber nimbus]

Don’t worry your sin is forgivable as long as you don’t start trying to ask for 2.5u split spacebar

That’s where we draw a hard line

[spring stirrup]

double 2.5u clears

[hardy wadi]

what about split w key?

[timber nimbus]

I believe that’s called a v

[hardy wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/dune-dune-part-2-stilgar-fremen-disbelief-gif-17405899726704623697

lowkey im excited for the wooting knob

[tropic relic]

wooting knob most promising of everything

[spring stirrup]

knob big skip

[tropic relic]

you fear new things

anti split space

anti knob

cmon man

[hardy wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/doorknob-turning-vigorously-prey-for-the-devil-trying-to-open-the-door-forcefully-opening-the-door-lionsgate-gif-26571041

[spring stirrup]

no

[hardy wadi]

why hate the knob fren?

[spring stirrup]

it will look bad on 60%

[tropic relic]

the center split key

knob there

[spring stirrup]

☠️

[tropic relic]

😃👍

yeah idk where you’d put a knob on the 60 tbh

on split backspace it’d be perfect

:/

[spring stirrup]

Yeah thats why its a skip for me, but i can see people using it on 80he

[tropic relic]

80 and 2he, yeah

[hardy wadi]

put it on esc key

that way you cant escape the knob

depending how big the knob is

i put knob here

never use that key

but probably still look ugly

[spring stirrup]

yea lol

esc wont look bad

[tropic relic]

knob is 1u

[spring stirrup]

but idk how you will use esc

lol

[tropic relic]

| will look bad after

[spring stirrup]

actually esc knob is interesting 😳

[tropic relic]

esc too frequently used to replace it

how tf u gonna be without esc?

[spring stirrup]

maybe you can still use esc key

[tropic relic]

doubt it

doubt you’ll even be able to use the small
knob as a button

[hardy wadi]

thats the point you dont

[tropic relic]

prob just twist

[spring stirrup]

we will see

[tropic relic]

☹️👎

[hardy wadi]

use alt + fn+ f4

[hardy wadi]

gotta spin the knob and crack the safe code to escape

[spring stirrup]

center split key = esc

[hardy wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/felix-the-cat-safe-cracker-opening-a-safe-unlock-the-safe-safe-cracking-gif-18035368

[spring stirrup]

and a knob instead of esc

😳

[tropic relic]

not bad

[oblique pendant]

Can't wait for a whole slew of new keyboard that support it because they can't be arse updating their older one to support the knob.

Or for their implementation to be ass.

[lucid trout]

I like car racing

[tropic relic]

I wonder if they can/will patent the mechanism

could be a game changer if so

[oblique pendant]

Chinese Manu gonna copy it regardless

[tropic relic]

true

[lucid trout]

Well you can check patent on Google patents

[tropic relic]

I cba sir

[lucid trout]

If they own it

[oblique pendant]

It's just that we can trust wooting to make it better than what they can reverse engineer

[tropic relic]

hopefully

[lucid trout]

But wooting can make it stop from being sold in europe and usa

[oblique pendant]

I mean, 80he is pretty great, maybe lacking 0.005rt but will do 0.15rt consistently

[spring stirrup]

0.1 soon

[oblique pendant]

Also like, the creative gonna love it prop, just have an UWU and 3 knob. With 3 extra button on the bottom. You can do a fuck ton with just that.

[timber nimbus]

Actually that’s a good point

Triple knob on uwu would be goated productivity pad

[oblique pendant]

FUCK THAT, 10 KNOB ON WOOTING NUMPAD!!!!

[grand panther]

Does the splitting space bar allow you to use it in 3 different commands like jumping + crunching + etc..? If yes it’s illegal

[oblique pendant]

And another HE numpad cause why not

[spring stirrup]

yes

[grand panther]

This is cheating

[timber nimbus]

?

[oblique pendant]

Lmao

[spring stirrup]

its not

[grand panther]

I mean is fucking crazy

[spring stirrup]

got it

[oblique pendant]

You still need the muscle memory to do all of those. It's not like you can give a pro 60hev2 with split and they're going to use all 3 spacebar as good as they're using 1.

[timber nimbus]

Shafie had to run it through his Gen z translation matrix

[grand panther]

I bought my 80he last month like 380€ bro , I don’t buy a 60 now haha

[grand panther]

If you have good wife your finger is good train as well haha

[spring stirrup]

😳

[grand panther]

😅😂

So for splitting spacebar you will not have any problems 😎

I wish they gonna release something like that on 80he

[oblique pendant]

I mean, they can do a seperate 80he pcb with the split.

maybe wayy later

[grand panther]

Yep

[timber nimbus]

I would assume if it does well they’ll bring it to whatever the next tkl/75% board they make is

[oblique pendant]

Imagine it becomes standard

[toxic torrent]

You need to understand that most ppl here spent that amount on a single keycap set

[grand panther]

Crazy 😅

[spring stirrup]

and switches

[oblique pendant]

true

Its switch + keycap for me but still.

[spring stirrup]

i think next big thing will be 2he refresh

[toxic torrent]

Atleast you getting free gateron x - luminary edition switches 🥀

[grand panther]

Totally I spent 380€ for custom 80he, it was nice experience

[spring stirrup]

with split spacebar

or maybe not

ah hell no,wtf was that

🤷‍♂️

[oblique pendant]

2he refresh, with a free knob included! Prop not.

True 8k 100% keyboard

that'll be soo cool, makes me wanna overlube its stab

[spring stirrup]

double mcu

[oblique pendant]

With an ability to focus on specific area from the prev 2he

or they don't need to do that since it can be fast on all key.

[wooden bluff]

60HE v2 PCB#2 ISO perfection (in alternate reality where Wooting dared to go for perfection, setting new standard for especially Gaming kbs) (very similar for ANSI):

[whole oak]

https://tenor.com/view/jail-believe-it-or-not-believe-it-or-not-jail-parks-and-rec-gif-3275634010746838096

[oblique pendant]

Nah

It'll be kinda stuck for me because my right thumb suffer with smaller button while my other hand got to enjoy 4.0u

[spring stirrup]

maybe for you this is perfection but that looks like shit, sorry

[oblique pendant]

Also Idk if 2u wire would be enough for 4.0u spacebar

Also where the you find 4.0u keycaps

[tropic relic]

If my perfection differs from yours, which perfection should Wooting go with (in the alternate reality)?

Is your perfection superior to mine? ☹️

[tropic relic]

mana does not shy away from keycap sizes that don’t exist. :)

[oblique pendant]

lmao

If it's like JIS, I would be more okay with it.

[sinful plover]

nah that has to be bait

[wooden bluff]

it says PCB #2, keep the PCB #1, the normal one for yourself, let Wooting achieve much better perfection with #2.

[distant mulch]

there is already 4 as far as I counted

[spring stirrup]

yea surely wooting will do 6 different skus

[oblique pendant]

x2 because module.

[wooden bluff]

this would replace the split spacebar PCB, in alternate reality - because especially the way they did it, it's just not very good at all (but no split spacebar kbs are good, it's just like impossible to make it work well (or have good enough reason to justify it), that's why instead reducing spacebar size while still keeping it solid, adding keys on the side (bringing Alt keys in much better positions), is far better).

[oblique pendant]

Warehouse gonna have a field day.

"Okay, Optimum case, Optimum Caps, Black wrist rest, Wooting POM and... Wooting 60hev2 ISO Split spacebar inverted module. Oh, and the pc plate too."

[tropic relic]

that’s so fucking crazy honestly, a literal mountain of SKUs for what?

from any perspective, it doesn’t make any sense not being optional

maybe it was a skill issue

[spring stirrup]

Didnt you want symmetry

That keyboard is the most asymmetric keyboard ive seen

[sinful plover]

any splitmaxxers?

replace spacebar with 5 keys