🌟│wooting80he

[icy cosmos]

3D print Titanium case 😅. Then sandblast the finish until you get the just amount of roughness.

I will be aiming for this look, I think.

[lime nova]

I see it now, thank you

[icy cosmos]

You must have great eyes.. I can´t make out anything from the images other than it´s not shiny. 😅

Loving the relentless pursuit of greatness from Wooting. I wonder if there will be a limited edition "zaratsu polish" with brushed polish accent steelcase in the future?

[balmy gust]

Can I add an 80HE wrist rest to my existing founders order or do I have to place a new order?

[lime nova]

I'm nearsighted 😅 🤓 . I just wanted latest info, it looks like they doing a video on this soon so I'll wait for that for more

[buoyant solstice]

Send us an email to [e-mail] and we should be able to help with that.

[balmy gust]

Awesome, thank you!

[ornate jasper]

No issues here

[buoyant solstice]

for now

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-sideshow-bob-evil-laugh-cape-feare-evil-gif-17993423104863400747

[pseudo parrot]

🌙 🛬 time

[molten mulch]

Pre-order done

[dense ridge]

congrats! what case did u choose?

[molten mulch]

I went all-in with a "Zinc Alloy White"

[rocky ingot]

anyone got predictions on when the 80HE is gonna sell out?

[buoyant solstice]

No such thing.

We're currently selling in the 2nd production batch. Once that fills up or is shipped to the warehouse, a new production is planned for a later date.

[rocky ingot]

this might just be the best keyboard company ever

[buoyant solstice]

Order now? September delivery.
Order in a day/week/month? Depends on whether or not batch 2 fills up by then

[fallen epoch]

Order now so i can eat it sooner!

[buoyant solstice]

Eat...it sooner. Yes that's what it said, officer. That person there.

[fallen epoch]

[wise flower]

is the shipping date of the zinc alloy preorders known?

[buoyant solstice]

Same as keyboards.

[wise flower]

whens that

[buoyant solstice]

What? 😄

[icy cosmos]

A shipment question a day, keeps the doctors away 🤔

[wise flower]

like when do the preorders get shipped havent gotten to watch vids yet

[icy cosmos]

You can see the estimated delivery time before checkout

[wise flower]

i preorderd

months ago

[icy cosmos]

Then it’s the same. Nothing has changed

Not sure where you read it has been changed?

I mean, you can check your delivery status when you login to Wooting website ( your order page )

I mean, it would be strange if such a huge change like delivery time would just be posted embedded in a video when over 23 355 people have preordered in the founders campaign right 🤣. Just KEEP CALM. We’re all in the same boat ⛴️

[fallen epoch]

Out of sight out of mind

[wise flower]

literally

ih had to log in to figure out it was somewhere in August

[fallen epoch]

Wont be long now, just a couple months left :)

[sullen sand]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[icy cosmos]

What do you mean, how should the experience be like? Try buying a Rolex or AP watch and you will understand what bad customer journey really looks like 🤣

[wispy trellis]

Better; else, all really would love it, order it, and you get complaints in 2 years. 😉 This is how a raw case, which is customer-sellable, should look like. It doesn't create super high expectations which are never met. The metallic would have created super high expectations.

[toxic zephyr]

you know for all those words you don't really make sense 🤔

like I know all these words but not in this order

[icy cosmos]

I am happy to help you understand the words and the meaning behind them. Just let me know which part you don’t understand. Also what is your native language. English can easily be misunderstood

[buoyant solstice]

As a native english speaker - What. I don't understand what any of those words mean structured like that either 😄

[icy cosmos]

You’re customer support though 🤣. You got a few levels higher skills than the average customer

[wispy trellis]

some ppl are handycapped and can't read without puncctuation 😉 therfor for those poor fellowes i add them

[buoyant solstice]

Imagine. Punctuation and grammar.
Such horror!

I don't agree that previous samples would create higher expectations.

And the UV protection is still the same.

[wispy trellis]

but you still could read it so why the bashing - i don't say you should per se but why not creating for that a 2nd accountnot sutiable for the rolle - is it?

• at least if you write improper german i would not bash you

[midnight iron]

my brain hurts

[icy cosmos]

I don’t have any expectations, that’s why I will be delighted upon receiving my keyboard 🤣

[icy cosmos]

It’s a case of the Monday

[fallen epoch]

My expectations are cool keyboard

[icy cosmos]

There’re so many of them 😅

[jolly tangle]

The discipline of the white zinc alloy church mocks your suffering XDD

[midnight iron]

I tried to read his last message 5 times

[jolly tangle]

yeah it makes no sense at all

[wispy trellis]

Strange a ai which is not that smart easily could read it and correct it

[wise flower]

u missunderstood me

im not blaming wooting for anything

[wise flower]

white zincy on top
we aint no bottoms

[wise flower]

an ai thats trained on the german language maybe but at the end of the day your grammer is basically you trying to fix your butcherd English with german grammer lmao
i can read it fine but i wish ud make it easier ti read so i dont have to analyze what u mean

[cedar hound]

What you said is mostly grammatically sound, but not completely. The first sentence starts in an unusual way, but it's just old fashioned, not incorrect, until you get to the enumeration. "love it, order it, and you get complaints in 2 years." indicates that 'all' would love it, order it and then do something else, but you change the subject mid sentence to 'you', which could make some people stumble over the words. Not to come off as rude because of nit picking but I'm telling you just so you know: it's "how ... should look" or "what ... should look like", but never "how ... should look like"

[frail bobcat]

I think the main issue right now is a good amount of people ordered raw alloy expecting a metallic finish.

Having such a large sudden change to the appearance of your product may be upsetting to some

[toxic zephyr]

it's not really an issue, they'll officially communicate the change in finish soon enough and some people will not mind, some will want to cancel or adjust their order. but then again, some people might be drawn into it because of the change so all in all hard to say whether it's a net positive or negative but my feeling is the new finish is more agreeable to most people's eyes

[frail bobcat]

Longevity is indeed the bigger concern to most people when you're buying a several hundred dollar keyboard.

[midnight iron]

Yeah I’m sure there will be some people disappointed who wanted shiny, but I’d wager there will be even more people excited for that new raw as well to balance it out

[frail bobcat]

I don't mind the stonewashed granite look, but I prefer metallic.

Then again, I'm not buying raw anyways so my opinion is kinda irrelevant here xd

[midnight iron]

Would you prefer metallic with dark stains on it though

Because that’s what you were getting on the previous versions because they couldn’t get the stains from the coating process to go away

[frail bobcat]

Oh, I was not aware of this

[midnight iron]

Yeah Calder showed it on stream but you know the bottom of a pan when it has water marks and stains? It’s like that but permanent

[frail bobcat]

Rest in piss

[ancient ferry]

How y'all doing?

[oak jungle]

sniffable keyboard I don't forget the feel of touching this keyboard I regret returning it

[oak jungle]

fine what about you

[ancient ferry]

I'm doing alright. What games do you play?

[oak jungle]

now I play the callisto protocol

[wispy trellis]

thanks

[rocky ingot]

0.05 i feel is way too low, no? so many misinputs would happen i believe

[buoyant solstice]

Yeah that seems very "sus" as the kids say

[toxic zephyr]

need to have better number than competitor

[rocky ingot]

weird how that one doesn't say "true 8k polling" unlike how wooting has done

makes me believe that they didnt say it for a reason

[toxic zephyr]

@buoyant solstice I stand corrected

[buoyant solstice]

[toxic zephyr]

I hate humanity

[buoyant solstice]

Did you also know that dumplings implies the existence of a larger dumple.

[toxic zephyr]

I did not think of that

I shall meditate on this during my 8hours of human-body mandated nighttime unconsciousness

[idle depot]

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-sus-gif-2558655191726498734

[toxic zephyr]

oh how I long to lift the shackles of this meatbag!

@rocky ingot you have inadvertedly become our guinea pig, do you know what true 8k polling means

[rocky ingot]

i watched video earlier i may have not paid attention though

let me go rewatch 😆

[oak jungle]

their latency will be like 4.5ms Im sure of that they are new to the game they can't even do better than steelseries

[toxic zephyr]

well I can just explain it, it's a marketing word wooting team thought up to communicate the fact that the keyboard is also internally checking for input 8000 times a second

[jade widget]

This one got tested and is "true 8k"
#💬│general message

[toxic zephyr]

not just 1000 times a second like "every other keyboard", and just polled by USB 8000 times a second

[rocky ingot]

well ya thats what that means

[midnight iron]

All the 0.05 type boards have an extra setting to add deadzone basically. Honestly I think it’s a bit silly to add 0.05 but then have to add another setting to remove the advantage of it because it’s too sensitive to use

[rocky ingot]

there was anjother keyboard on the market that advertised as 8k polling HE but was not really that effective i have to find the one im thinking of

[rocky ingot]

akko mod007v3 HE YoD i might be wrong though

[jade widget]

It's 8k on 4 keys and 125hz on the rest

[rocky ingot]

yup very dogshit

wooting 80he is 8k polling overall though, correct?

[toxic zephyr]

8k polling and 8k scanning all across, yes

[rocky ingot]

wow i cannot wait to run razer viper v3 pro and wooting80he on 8k polling at the same time

[buoyant solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/voyezten-explode-cat-explode-blow-up-i-cant-even-gif-21475523

[merry wagon]

16k polling when

[jade widget]

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-ultrasharp-32-8k-monitor-up3218k/apd/210-alez/monitors-monitor-accessories

[oak jungle]

16k polling nice spot coz 8k got alot of latency not very good for fast pace gaming

[merry wagon]

yes

big number = big happy

[hoary ferry]

They say wooting did test it and it beats the 80HE in latency.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/1djdund/iqunix_ez60_ez63_magnetic_switch_he_keyboard/

[crisp jungle]

why does it look like a teletubby

[hoary ferry]

ty

[midnight iron]

Their statement is referring to 60he fyi

[hidden crest]

lmao

[crimson quiver]

That report of 0.05 sensitivity seems off. Vibration would set that off, or just EMI noise, or just holding the switch?

[midnight iron]

Some of those 0.05 boards have been tested and come close to it - although they’re also completely unusable and they purposely include a setting to adjust the deadzone of your sensitivity

Its functionally not a setting anyone actually uses without turning up their deadzone setting to cancel out a lot of the sensitivity

[crimson quiver]

hmm.

[gloomy owl]

isn't gasket mounting a HE keyboard a bad idea? in theory couldn't pcb/plate movement cause some miss inputs?

[buoyant solstice]

Uhhh...

They're not

The plate and PCB are screwed together. The gasket is like suspension, with the case being the ground.

[gloomy owl]

thanks, was just thinking when the plate and pcb move up and down that stems could move up and down a little (probably depends on the spring inside the switch and how strong is the suspension of the gasket)

[gilded wedge]

hi! im new here. planning to pre-order an 80 HE but im torn on what color to choose

[spark heart]

I rly rly like the ghost case

[gilded wedge]

yea im also considering that since it's a unique case (for me as a newbie)

[spark grotto]

I personally would go with whatever matches tower set up best.

[lime aspen]

Raw or white zinc >

[spark grotto]

For myself I went with black, as mine is dark mode themed.

Ooo that’s kinda cool, I’ve got a little sticker next to my name now 🙃

I’m guessing they have it based off your orders

[buoyant solstice]

You placed an 80HE order during the founder's campaign, yes 🙂

[icy cosmos]

I got both, no need to decide

If you want fashion advice, I would recommend the colour that can match your style most. Example, white/ black can go with anything. RAW is a metal colour and it doesn’t blend well with your surroundings unless you got a workshop themed setup at home

Also, if you want to stand out among your friends. RAW is the way to go 🤣.

[crisp jungle]

introducing the secretlabs magnus pro sit to stand desk

🤣

it actually just looks like a piece of spray painted metal staight out of the workshop

[icy cosmos]

Not sure if it’s an all metal construction though. The table seems to be made of MDF

[crisp jungle]

it's not all metal, just looks and feels quite out of place/different to what u would usually expect in like a home setting

[crimson quiver]

The top part is metal, as I have seen some issues with Wooting keyboards:

• Magnetic desk mat
• The metal surface being magnetized

[primal portal]

always go raw

[icy cosmos]

I guess you could do I guess you need to go polycarbonate desk 🤔

[crimson quiver]

i have a wooden desk myself but i have seen reports in #1019755933959733258
and a few tickets of these desks

[valid comet]

0.125ms input lag, just sounds like the polling rate time to me, so this just sounds like marketing bs, they also never claimed 8k scanning either

again i like competition, but there are important things that always need to be considered

[lime aspen]

Pretty sure it uses 8k scanning

When wooting tested it I'm pretty sure it was very very close to the same latency as the 80he

[valid comet]

i wont take it unless its at least claimed 8k scanning

[lime aspen]

I mean, Mark said it was within margin of error to on par with 80he I think

[valid comet]

all the other 8k he boards have been 8k on 4 keys or something, maybe even 8k with like super high latency like the redragon

tge 80HE was the only one I saw tested to some degree

also the 65% corm factor is good but its not really gres for me, 80HE layout is genuinely perfect for me

[low token]

Yeah thats a scam

[valid comet]

and a lot of the early 8k craze too pre HE

corsair was among the closer ones with the K70 TKL champions series, but even then, it was slow upon release, downstroke was still 1.4 ish ms which was... ok for a big brand given they dont focus on rnd much?

[lime aspen]

Idk if that iqunix has 8k over the entire board or what, but Mark said it was actually very good latency wise on whatever keys they did test

Judging from how he put it, it's likely 8k scan

[valid comet]

id like to see rtings get one

and the 80HE over too

[low token]

16k pooling rate is possible?

[lime aspen]

The iqunix does have 8k scan

Again, don't know if it uses groups like the 2he for focus mode or the entire board. But it has it according to Mark

[lime aspen]

Maybe eventually but it's even more pointless than 8k

[low token]

Well if it is possible why not beat own product again with 0ms

[lime aspen]

Because the 80he is already below 1ms

[low token]

0.125

[lime aspen]

16k polling would probably only get it down another couple hundred microseconds IF that

[lime aspen]

No it's more around 0.4-0.6ms

[low token]

So technicly 0

If we devide 0.125 by 1/8

[lime aspen]

At the point it's at going for less latency is entirely pointless aside from cool factor and marketing

In theory

[low token]

Well atleast they wouldnt lie

[lime aspen]

The 60he is already so fast to where any less latency is literally impossible to notice

But it's always cool to push tech to its limits

[crystal gyro]

A

[merry wagon]

0.125 divided by 1/8 is 1

1/16 is like 0.0625 I think

[upbeat berry]

no such thing as 16khz polling in the USB spec

youd do an interrupt based design for over 8khz

but no keyboard does this cause its somewhat pointless and youd need to still implement polled interfaces for backwards compatibility

[lime aspen]

Didn't know that, but my comment was mostly just trying to state the uselessness of it

I'm sure eventually the tech might go there but it's so incredibly pointless

[upbeat berry]

uh i doubt itll go there

its a lot of overhead for supporting being able to go into the bios/older OS and gaming on an OS with proper drivers for interrupt based USB packets

like most UEFI/BIOS implementations got a sort of escape in the USB spec by being able to expect a specific interface (which doesnt support interrupts)

(also very simplified explanation not entirely accurate but gets the gist across)

[wispy trellis]

why not? simply put 2 usb connectors wich each polls 8k and 2 cables make it so they poll always with the perfecct distanc 😛 pc can handle multiple keyboards JOB DONE;)

[low token]

Nah 16 cables with extension card

[wispy trellis]

Make it so!;)

[low token]

And thats reasonable

[fallen epoch]

Slap a 12vhpwr on it

[valid comet]

melting

[fallen epoch]

smells like wooting

all part of the design

[compact quiver]

Does anyone know if the 80he will have the Nylon strap, same as the 60he? :]

[valid comet]

no it wont

it looks like the 80HE case will have room for a strap tho!

[compact quiver]

Unluckyyyy, i love how stylish it looked, but maybe itll be possible to get a custom one

[valid comet]

oh that would be so cool dont forget you can attach it to the cable!

[upper garden]

i got the scratches fellas

i need that 80he

https://tenor.com/view/itch-crackhead-drugs-drugaddict-addict-gif-11128316954240258813

[valid comet]

same

[valid comet]

what variant and switch and caps

[upper garden]

i got the pcr ghost case with lekkers L60 v 2

wbu

[valid comet]

Black Zinc L60 v2

I need full 4mm of travel which means I probably will not use jade switches :(

[upper garden]

nice i wanted to get zinc cases but with what i got its already pushing $400 CAD 😭

what keyboard you got now?

[valid comet]

Q1 HE and 60HE+ alumaze

80HE basically has the best of both worlds for me but cranked to 11

edges out 60HE+ in performance and has my new favourite layout, compact TKL between 75% and TKL

[lime aspen]

where?

from all the photos i seen it didnt look like it but that would be cool if it does

[upper garden]

upload pics if you got some ! 💪

[valid comet]

sec

the buckle on the left may fit one idk, we have to ask them @lime aspen

[valid comet]

where should I upload them?

[upper garden]

up 2 u

[valid comet]

I have to upload the files seperately because they compress

[upper garden]

alright

[valid comet]

Keychron Q1 HE (Carbon Black) 75%
My current daily driver and first HE board. Pretty happy with it! Photo taken at my friend's place.

[upper garden]

very nice indeed

i had the viper v2 but end up switching to logitech g pro x superlight 2

razer app was annoying to use

[valid comet]

Wooting 60HE+ Black Alumaze
Wooting UwU Stealth Brass
My first 60% kb and fastest to date. My current gaming keyboard, given its performance its kinda unrivaled imo.

[cunning stag]

Thought is 80HE because the case

[lime aspen]

oh you meant carrying case im dumb

i thought you meant the keyboards case itself

[valid comet]

afaik no

80HE chassis dont have room for one

[lime aspen]

yeah unfortunately

[valid comet]

i would like to see more wooting nylon straps in different colors on the site I can buy

[dry pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/ineedit-needit-spongebob-squarepants-need-it-gif-4883495

[cursive lily]

When will the next wooting update drop?

[jolly tangle]

this week

should be

[pure girder]

When will the Mass Production of Wooting 80HE start?😫

[buoyant solstice]

When it's supposed to. We're still on track for the current estimates.

[cedar hound]

Do you think it‘s limiting in some kind of way to have 3.5mm instead of 4? I‘ve never tried an analog keyboard so far

[valid comet]

In wootility it likely does given the analog curves are measured from 0mm to 4.0mm and 0-100% for the effect in software or in game. To accomodate that for jades you would have to go from 0-4.0mm and squeeze your graphs to 0-3.5mm. Analog has been pretty fun yes

[cedar hound]

So it’s hacky to get it to work properly, but after that it should be fine no? I guess you lose a bit of fine control, so it’s like 12% quicker to go from 0 to 100 with your finger press, I seriously can’t imagine that would make the experience worse, given that the WS Dashes and Gateron Jades sound amazing on wootings

[buoyant solstice]

Personally I'd rather wait for Lekker V2 switches than lose actual "performance" by going with the 3.5mm style switches. Kind of going against why you have Hall Effect switches to begin with 😄

[valid comet]

man I would love to see 4.0mm close bottom long pole switches

[wind tiger]

wdym 4mm long pole

just give me 4mm closed bottom

would need a lot of changes tho

[valid comet]

slightly longer pole, longer shaft compared to the jades, same ol magnet tho

[wind tiger]

no, fuck long poles

just buy jades if you want that

[quartz trellis]

honestly, there's only one way to realise 4mm with closed bottom

a shorter stem pole and a slightly stronger magnet to compensate

[wind tiger]

or a differently shaped magnet

or a larger well in general (would require a larger hole in PCBs tho)

[quartz trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/vaughnpena-gif-27076347

[stone crater]

WOW

[icy cosmos]

Are you guys able to make out the difference between the switches in a A-B test?

[quartz trellis]

it's more theoretical than a real thing in that case

But given the circumstances that people here usually know what they're talking about and the fact that we've seen quite a lot of options on how to achieve certain effects with a switch it's quite obvious how certain changes affect the behavior

the only way to get close to 4mm actuation with a closed bottom imo is a shorter pole, not a longer one

but then again the rails also have to be shortened, which would introduce wobble

forget the last sentence... i'm stupid... The rails don't have to be shortened at all

[icy cosmos]

I am just a noobe in this hobby, who has only tried out some custom keyboards from friends who are deep in the rabbit hole. None of them have Hall effect switches. They´re focusing on the typing feel and feedback from traditional switches rather than performance. Calling Hall effect switches "soulless".

I do think HiFi and Keybord hobby is similar in many ways. Lots of preference and not much hard-core logic and science behind the different designs. We´re still using similar design as the CHERRY MX switches patent from 1984. I do think the design of switches have a lot of room of improvements but it will take a lot of R&D to make a break through.

[quartz trellis]

Kinda, but not really. There's still a lot of stuff you can do with keyboards and switches, sure, but the Cherry MX switch style is dominant, because it's small, simple, yet effective. You also get a simple mechanic to attach a keycap to a switch.
There isn't much you can improve on that design anymore.
HE switches of itself are a whole different topic tho. There's lots of improvements we can go through

Personally i'm experimenting with something that gives you the feel of a conventional switch, but it remains to be seen if there's even a market for that.
Other than that i don't see much of a use for HE switches outside the gamer market. Reason for that is simply that many people just want a keyboard that doesn't require fiddling with settings, because custom keyboards are a niche thing of its own already

in fact i doubt that many people customized their 60HE to begin with

[wind tiger]

I personally feel like HE switches at this current point in time just are not mature enough yet for custom keyboards

but we are slowly getting there

[jolly creek]

[valid comet]

same, because different magnets are being used

[wind tiger]

the cherry MX design being so old really only shows how little you need to do to optimize a switch design to overall be quite good tbh

[valid comet]

I do like the KS-20 space tho, I am quite a fan

[quartz trellis]

i actually wonder what would happen if you put like every single different HE switch into a single 60HE

[wind tiger]

the cherry M7 design (basically the only "real" rpedecessor to MX in how it worked) was only 14 years old, and the redesign was only really required to comply with new DIN norms for ergonomics, making the switches shorter

[quartz trellis]

maybe i should order a bunch of different switches and see if the 60HE can handle all the different magnets and shit

[wind tiger]

they are mature in the sense that they are fully functional etc, for the average gamer etc they do everything they need to

but for people that got high standards for sound you'd need a bit more, which is not impossible

tighten up tolerances, offer a 4mm closed bottom version (however that would manifest) and offer some nicer housing materials

[valid comet]

i would like that yes

[quartz trellis]

cut the stem!

[wind tiger]

like 99% of wooting buyers would not care tho

[quartz trellis]

I know your intrusive thoughts wanna cut the stem! DO IT!

[wind tiger]

they are fine with either what comes with the video or what gets plugged on youtube/twitter/tiktok

[quartz trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-dark-kermit-gif-13921433

[valid comet]

yet gateron still makes jades and other switches anyway, not like they wont lol

[wind tiger]

because jades fulfil the "getting plugged" part

[quartz trellis]

that... uh... sounds very weird

[wind tiger]

and ks-37b get made because they supposedly are superior in some way but are incompatible with the ks-20 ones

[wind tiger]

my honest reaction

(de la soul is also known as the plugs)

[quartz trellis]

anyway, maybe i'll experiment with cutting the stem

[wind tiger]

idk what you are trying to achieve

[quartz trellis]

4mm actuation with closed bottom

[tight cypress]

Bigger magnet so HE sensor doesn't have to be exactly under the magnet? I dunno what else would be superior about them

[wind tiger]

idk, gateron really tries to make people think they are better tho

[quartz trellis]

they always try, be it their keycap and switch puller or switches in general

[wind tiger]

fair

[quartz trellis]

i mean sure, i love my keycap and switch puller, but i also know there are better and cheaper alternatives

[tight cypress]

The KS-37B offer slightly more stability with their extended magnet tube design and interlocking side channels
Whatever that means

[icy cosmos]

You´re right on the money regarding the fiddling part. People can spend hours to lube switches and build keybords but they go crazy if they need to configurate it in software.

With all these options on switches you can pretty much personalise to your own preference. But just like HiFi, one’s preference can change and evolve. There´re no golden standard. We all type differently, the force, angle, our body are different. I feel I can adjust to different keyboard and mouse within 30min and after 1-3h och gaming session I can pretty much perform the same.
If the sensation of freshness only last a day or two. It is why I suggest an A-B test of 1-3h session.

if the user can pinpoint small difference like 0.5mm of travel you got the Golden ear ( fingers)

[wind tiger]

yea but why could they not adapt that on ks-20

[tight cypress]

I'm utterly confused
Somebody says that KS-37 have stronger magnet, and that's why they aren't compatible with KS-20
Someone else says that KS-37 have less powerful magnet, hence why they have longer magnet tube, so that so stem can go through PCB to the sensor underneath

[wind tiger]

ks-37 polarity is reversed afaik

[tight cypress]

Yeah, that too

[valid comet]

Why did wooting choose KS-20?

[wind tiger]

ks-37 didn't exist back then

they got burned by huano before and were looking at a solution that was basically ready to go

[valid comet]

i dont get it

[buoyant solstice]

Also most switches are not reverse polarity so... why go with the outlier?

[wind tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/funnie-gif-20199897

[valid comet]

[tight cypress]

But it seems implementing KS-37s is cheaper to do due to integrated HE ICs I think, so of course they will be popular
Not mentioning that the template that most Chinesium keyboards go with are using KS-37s too

[torpid quiver]

1

[valid comet]

so cutting corners?

[buoyant solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/swat-gif-23877390

[valid comet]

again not sure I fully understand

[wind tiger]

wdym with "integrated HE ICs"

do you mean the HE + RGB things that are exclusive to g-tech?

that like to die on their own

[tight cypress]

Something like so https://www.allegromicro.com/en/products/sense/switches-and-latches/micropower-switches-latches/aps13568

[wind tiger]

ah, not exclusive then

[tight cypress]

I wouldn't be surprised if there are HE + LED driver + RGB ICs out there

[wind tiger]

which would also fry themselves?

[tight cypress]

Why not

[simple dome]

Has the 80He started production?

[buoyant solstice]

It has not.

[simple dome]

I'm curious about the progress

[buoyant solstice]

We have weekly updates via videos and livestreams.

[dim sierra]

hopefully it starts this week so no delay 💀

[sour saddle]

Can someone tell me how long the pre-production is usually?

[buoyant solstice]

https://hub.wooting.io/my/account
You can check on your order estimate here.

[sour saddle]

Yeah ik but I just wanted to know how long the stages take

[buoyant solstice]

There's no such thing as "usually".

If you're asking about the 80HE, it is a new product. So there's no baseline to work from 😄

Suffice to say between now and whenever your estimate says, production, packing, shipping to warehouse all occurs. And as each stage is completed, your order status will update to reflect this.

[sour saddle]

Okay. Are there any other Batches for CEU other than EU-Brug, cuz there is no batch update yet for any

[buoyant solstice]

None of the 80HE batches have had any updates, since production hasn't begun.
You can follow along with all of the pre-production updates on our Youtube channel. 🙂

[balmy gust]

I want to use the 80He for both my work computer (macbook) and personal (pc) and plan to do so via a KVM.

Does anyone know of any mac/pc combo keycaps that would work well with the 80He?

I've seen some keyboards have combo start/command and option/alt keys on other keyboards

[buoyant solstice]

The 80HE is essentially a standard TKL with two fewer keys. So any set for a TKL or fullsized keyboard that fit your bill would work. I am not aware of any such keycap sets though.

[balmy gust]

Thanks @buoyant solstice

[visual wasp]

Was a great stream the other day!

[upbeat berry]

i personally just got used to the mac layout of opt/cmd and use the same layout for alt/win on windows

[quartz trellis]

apple...

[upbeat berry]

even if there was a set with combo prints i feel like that would prob ruin the set.

[red heart]

Just swap keycaps every time you change machine

Also make sure you have a powered KVM or you might run into issues

[balmy gust]

truthfully i cant wait to get to a point to just have too diff desk setups, one for work, one for play

[quartz trellis]

kinda pointless tbh

i'm using my setup for gaming and working

[balmy gust]

hate sharing the same space

excessive, sure. but separation of space from mental standpoint worth it IMO

[quartz trellis]

before anyone asks: YES! Both UwUs are in use

[red heart]

Dual wielding uwus

[buoyant solstice]

Akimbuwus

[proper dew]

I-

[errant jetty]

What are those?

[valid comet]

love the color of the Alumaze

[merry wagon]

what do you use them for?

[quartz trellis]

media control

[red heart]

I wonder if i can program a key to open a random album in my library

🤔

[wispy trellis]

pretty strange use for something like thisi use a microsoft numpad 😉

[valid comet]

we still need the wooting numpad and knob as a product w true 8k

[digital elm]

Raiden or Zero?

[quartz trellis]

Zero, both of my pads

[digital elm]

Okay thanks

[digital elm]

What size are they?

[sleek pelican]

you gotta pick atleast one 🤦

[quartz trellis]

M and XL

[quartz trellis]

why not both? What's the issue with that?

[sleek pelican]

reread it lol

[digital elm]

Is XL good or too small?

[lime falcon]

XL is perfect size

M is too small, they discontinued it i think

[lilac plaza]

Yeay my order update went through

[lilac plaza]

Wow the wrist rest looks yuge!

[undone urchin]

Hi guys, is there any discount or something for wooting 80he?

[pseudo parrot]

no discounts

[sullen sand]

Discount code: DISCORD DISCOUNT

[undone urchin]

Thanks 🙂

[quartz trellis]

hm?

[lilac plaza]

interesting, you can't be the only person doing this. Seems like it would be pretty common.

[lilac plaza]

Did that actually work?

[balmy gust]

I wouldn't think so either. I have a logitech keyboard that has combo keys and I assume I could easily do the same on the 80He with profiles if needed. I just want keycaps that have the combo keys printed on them haha. Not a big deal though if not.

[undone urchin]

Didnt try, but I guess not 😄

[lilac plaza]

@balmy gust

https://www.kromekeycaps.com/en-us/products/us-white-pbt-mac-multimedia-keycaps-100-size-dual-language-keycaps?variant=45121062240488

[digital elm]

Okay thanks

[thorny void]

Not sure if that's a good idea. Most kvms have a delay.

[oak crater]

When are the preorder set to be delivered? I tried to find it on my account but it didn't seem to show

[pseudo parrot]

no order appears in your wooting hub account?

[buoyant solstice]

https://hub.wooting.io/my/account

[oak crater]

Thanks

[icy cosmos]

Better start a petition now 🤣

[valid comet]

Kampioen?

[hearty sky]

damn its just almost 1 month left in between .. and some of the founders gonna have it in next month

[sonic kindle]

Just saw this on reddit laughed a solid 15 minutes
https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1449977

[buoyant solstice]

[sonic kindle]

I feel you I like the strap so much I found a way to put it on the tofu lol

[arctic lichen]

Does anyone have any suggestions for which mouse goes best with the Wooting 80HE? Any recommendations is strongly appreciated. 🙏

[lunar arch]

I have ordered mine in first minute of preorder it did say early July now it says early August ???

[fallen epoch]

yeah, will be similar times

[topaz anchor]

any mouse you like

[valid comet]

Beast X Max Black looks nice with Black Zinc

[lime aspen]

How

[sonic kindle]

Just stuck it on the cable 500iq move ik

[lime aspen]

I wanna use my custom strap with my tofu so bad

[jade widget]

It's mostly preference, just gotta find the right mouse for you

[sleek pelican]

so excited

[urban wadi]

Is there a reason NA-Champion isn't listed on the batch updates page? I searched this channel and saw they're still aiming for late July to early August, but I don't get why it's not listed.

[simple saffron]

late july gang

[lime falcon]

it will be listed soon, production hasnt even started yet

[simple saffron]

shape is king. go find the perfect mouse shape for you and just get it in a color that matches your wooting

[buoyant solstice]

Because production hasn't begun. That would be the first update.

We put out biweekly video updates on the pre-production over on YouTube.

[simple saffron]

the early july video update will be on the test production right?

[valid comet]

Beast X Max and ULX Tiger are my favorite shapes to use

[idle depot]

I heard fm is removing the cheetah from their line up

You know if that is true?

[lime aspen]

Is that the smallest one?

[idle depot]

Yes

[lime aspen]

If they are removing it it's probably something to do with never actually being able to meet their claims of what the cheetahs weight would be/to make it that weight it'd be far too fragile

Idk I don't keep up with finalmouse but the cheetah certainly failed to deliver what they had initially claimed, could have a factor

Also where did you hear that because I couldn't find anything about it in their discord from just skimming channels real quick

[valid comet]

Probably, and that would be very sad. I don't want them to do that, even if I am a Tiger user

[lime aspen]

Id be surprised if finalmouse of all companies does stop producing it

[valid comet]

finalboy says it will more than likely discontinue after the Aceu ULX Pro

tbh im not much of a collector myself, im more interested about the technical aspects

[lime aspen]

I wonder their reasoning

[valid comet]

wasnt cheetah the most popular shape

[ebon sluice]

They’re killing the Cheetah because it’s the shape that’s caused most QC issues

[lime aspen]

Idk about that, however I know about how the cheetah didn't exactly hit the mark they wanted

[valid comet]

Tiger least popular

[lime aspen]

Yeah this is what I thought

[valid comet]

then maybe increase the weight and make the walls thicker maybe idk

i tried my friends ULX batch 3 cheetah and it felt good

[lime aspen]

They made the plastic thinner to try and hit their weight mark which probably leads to more issues as well

[lime aspen]

But they already can't hit their claimed weight, they wouldn't wanna make it even further away

They never got them sub 30g

Like they initially claimed and made the biggest selling point about

[valid comet]

honestly the problem with finalmouse is they have too much pride and would rather discontinue a product with no definitive reason. yeah sure their engineering is good but their marketing is beyond irritating

[lime aspen]

Wouldn't exactly call their engineering "good", it's certainly not bad but that's not a term id use

But the pride thing is exactly right, they won't just admit to not having been able to ever hit their claims that they are just killing it

Like they could just make a statement that they weren't able to hit the mark with the weight:good QC balance and just increase the thickness of the walls

It doesn't at all surprise me if that's the case

[valid comet]

yeah but technologically they do have some of the best wireless mouse firmware and pcb design, its mostly the mouse shell thats problematic

the centerpiece pro is probably just... gonna flop.

I hope it doesnt but...

[jade widget]

Enough free thinkers out there for it to sell well

[lime aspen]

Yeah they have great tech behind the ulx, just can't make a good product with it for the life of them

[lime aspen]

Enough finalmouse brainlets out there, this things probably gonna make them tons

Even though it'll be absolute garbage if it ever even actually happens

[valid comet]

Well I did order my Beast X Max with OMRON opticals because the TTCs were super stiff

and I need to be able to spam

[lime aspen]

Funny because the beastx mini switches are so light

[valid comet]

That shape is peak for me

[fallen epoch]

Those ttcs givin me a nice finger workout

[lime aspen]

It's a modified starlight shape iirc, very comfortable even for fair sized hands on the mini

[valid comet]

i can palm claw or f tip it

[lime aspen]

20x10cm claw on beastx mini is surprisingly comfortable

[valid comet]

its that versatile for my hand

[lime aspen]

Ftip is great too

[valid comet]

have you tried WLMouse Hub?

[fallen epoch]

I have

[lime aspen]

The what now

[fallen epoch]

Web based software

[lime aspen]

Firefox user

[fallen epoch]

Yeah

[lime aspen]

I have opera installed though for some things

[lime aspen]

Is it better than their app? That's like the one gripe about this mouse aside from plastic scroll wheel

[fallen epoch]

Its definitely more detailed, so id say so

[lime aspen]

I'll check it out later

[fallen epoch]

More info for each setting

[valid comet]

I habe Firefox for main browsing and Brave for WebUSB and TOR

[fallen epoch]

Wish it had the fenz art with my mouse though, real sad it doesnt have the cute art

[valid comet]

I havent really needed to use TOR but

[lime aspen]

I've got opera gx from before I swamped to Firefox, I mostly just have it installed still because I'm too lazy to transfer some accounts

[valid comet]

Im curious though, does WebUSB require internet

[lime aspen]

Probably

[valid comet]

its cause I always like having software I can rely on when im offline

[idle depot]

Figured

[dreamy umbra]

@rustic sparrow YOOO NO COKE SPILLED KEYBOARD TOMORROW

[rustic sparrow]

dog what

[dreamy umbra]

wooting comes tomorrow so no old crusty rusty ass keyboard, you cant tell me my english is that bad..

[rustic sparrow]

it’s not i was just confused

[dreamy umbra]

ill end the act on asc3 ... im hurt

[rustic sparrow]

i’m ending on immo1

i will hit radiant next season

[dreamy umbra]

how much rr m

[rustic sparrow]

37

[dreamy umbra]

atlast i peaked immo so i got the buddy

[rustic sparrow]

me to

[sonic kindle]

If you don't know a lot about your preference get a viper v3 pro amazing mouse for 99.99% of people

[dreamy umbra]

but ill peak higher with that keyboard

[idle depot]

^^ second has a good shape and pretty much all the most recent technology.

[autumn viper]

Curious how the new gen 2 Focus pro sensor is on that thing. Was debating on getting one, but the shape ain't right for me.

[arctic lichen]

I might get the Razer Basilisk V3 Pro Customizable Wireless Gaming Mouse.

[autumn viper]

Was thinking about that one too, since I was on a g502 for a long time, but it's a heavy mouse.

[arctic lichen]

Heavy but still very comfortable and fast

[autumn viper]

For sure, I used to doubt the lightweight hype, but now I'm on one, I can't go back. Crazy to think what shaving 50-60g will do.

[verbal solar]

theres prob not much to gain from going below 50-60g mouse

[mossy wadi]

I peaked gold 1 I’m the goat (Val isn’t my main game)

[toxic zephyr]

I think you're just a goat 🐐

[halcyon heart]

is there any upcoming update video for the 80he?

[autumn viper]

talking about shaving that amount from 100+g mice

which is a huge difference

[verbal solar]

oh yeah for sure, i used to rock a rival 700, hopped on a gpro and there was an insane difference in comfort

[pastel edge]

the lighter the better

[midnight iron]

Yeah, supposed to be one this week making a small summary of stuff Calder talked about in the discord stream

[halcyon heart]

aight cool

[lime aspen]

35g from 55g feels insanely good

[verbal solar]

hab not tried, i just use th,, tenz

[lime aspen]

I use beastx mini

[upper garden]

i need this to become mid july

everyday i think about refunding my 80he and buying the 60he+ instead but we gotta be strong

https://tenor.com/view/happy-tears-gto-great-teacher-onizuka-gif-17027786654470926832

[eternal swallow]

I finally ordered mine! Thanks to the team and the community who took some time to answer my questions!

[buoyant solstice]

Ain't happening chief.

[bright jewel]

june almost over, stay strong

[valid comet]

Thanks Manager for reminding us that we close

[eternal swallow]

🫡

[bright jewel]

glad I could help

[valid comet]

oh yeah Raquel, when did you become community manager?

[bright jewel]

this month

[valid comet]

welcome and congrats!

[valid comet]

STAY STRONG

[lime falcon]

its july almost lets goo

1 more month guys

[valid comet]

yepyep

[lime falcon]

time flies bruh

[valid comet]

more so in hindsight

next month is gpnna be hell for me lol

waiting for the 80HE and my first supervisor shifts

[nova nexus]

Congrats 🙂

[lime falcon]

When im waiting for something I try to not think about it

[eternal swallow]

How do we get the 80HE role?

[buoyant solstice]

You don't. It was a time limited role for any orders placed during the 80HE campaign. 🙂

Everyone who has a wooting keyboard and links up their account gets the general "Wooting Member" role.

[hoary quiver]

razer v3 pro, great product, one of the best(if not best) performers on the scene right now

[valid comet]

dav3 or vv3

[wind tiger]

dav3hs seems stupid good ngl

[eternal swallow]

Thanks!

Done

[hoary quiver]

dav3 worse input lag, worse cpi deviation, worse sensor, no 8k polling reciever included

[wind tiger]

on the most recent firmware it should be the same input lag wise

unsure what the differences of the sensors even is

and if it has worse dpi deviation then it is by a purely static factor, aka who cares

btw it has no cpi deviation

almost as if razer is codeveloping the sensor and knows what distance to put it from the tracking surface

[bright jewel]

thank you thank you

[hoary quiver]

i mean srav deviation

[wind tiger]

that is rtings numbers tho

[tight cypress]

Iunno, dav3 is an amazing mouse

[valid comet]

yep, it still has a 3395 sensor aka the focus 26k

[wind tiger]

I think it is some slightly customzied version

but i'd have to ask to know more tbh

[valid comet]

btw what made wooting stand out to you

afaik
focus 26k is 3395
focus pro 30k is 3950
focus pro 35k is a different senaor though I have seen 3970 being thrown around, sounds like an AMD Threadripper name lol

[hoary quiver]

it may be 3950 just modified/adjusted

[wind tiger]

would not be new for razer to whip out a custom one tbh

[wind tiger]

you mean just how any sensor out atm is basically a highly custmized 3335

[hoary quiver]

and the mouse actually got 8k polling even matching op1 8k

cant say the same about wlmouse which is more like 5k instead advertised 8k

[valid comet]

wym

[hoary quiver]

wlmouse does have fake 8k polling

[valid comet]

how is that even possible

[hoary quiver]

they made firmware update for beastx mini with native 4k to 8k

and test shows its 5/6k instead 8k

[valid comet]

oh wait i thought you meant beast x max lol

because I think at least the Fenz Beast X, Beast X Max, and Beast X 8k that is coming soon should be native 8k

[hoary quiver]

it can be

[bright jewel]

#💬│general

[fossil tulip]

Can I order 80he and then change to the new unannounced switches or I have to order everything when the new switches come out?

[tight cypress]

80HE comes with Lekkers v2 by default

[lament burrow]

What happened?

[pseudo parrot]

you should send an email and ask them [e-mail]

[midnight iron]

payment verification issue maybe? You'd need to email support

[lament burrow]

Thank you

[valid comet]

praying it gets sorted 🙏

[drowsy lynx]

FYI for anyone looking to get the PBTFans X-Ray. They will have an in-stock sale on July 19th

I hope I'll get to order these. Would match the frost case perfectly

[verbal solar]

ye i like that one, been on my radar for a while

[verbal solar]

smiling as an enjoyer of just full black unlettered keycaps, havent changed caps since forever

[valid comet]

question abot input latency and polling

basically there is a keystroke delay for the input device until the keyboard scans it itself, and then the polling is basically sending the input from the keyboard to the PC right?

[topaz anchor]

Wish I participated in the founders campaign for the 80he but I didn't even know wooting existed at the time. Happens when you use a keyboard from 2013 and just play wow and single player games

[dim sierra]

imo now its a pretty good time to find out about wooting since they have fixed a lot of issues that user raised

[topaz anchor]

A better way to think about it is: 1000hz polling means your PC knows the state of your keyboard every 1 milisecond

[valid comet]

Thats true...

what about something that scans 3k and polls 8k? what would this mean

[topaz anchor]

It's of no use to think about this scenario because it can't exist.

[dim sierra]

i think hz means how frequent the pc checks the kb for the input

[valid comet]

rakka pcb (geon)

again theoretically speaking

if the scan is lower than the polling rate, does that mean it effectively updates at the lowest between the 2 values?

[topaz anchor]

yes

[valid comet]

so 3k

[dim sierra]

yeah ill assume so

[valid comet]

ok

[dim sierra]

i think scan = pc checks, polling = kb sents data

[buoyant solstice]

Other way.

[valid comet]

scan is mcu checking keys

[dim sierra]

[buoyant solstice]

Yeah - Scanning is the keyboard's internal refresh rate if you will.
It'll take a new reading every cycle.

Polling is the PC going "Hey uh... current value?", and if the scanning rate is higher than polling, PC is going to get the same value more than once

[topaz anchor]

I would guess that in the 3k/8k theoretical scenario, you'd get an input every 0.375ms instead of the 0.33ms but it's just a guess idk

[valid comet]

yeah its weird how its not 4k 8k but I wanted to make it look strange by giving a number like 3k

something to do with phase shifting

[toxic zephyr]

it's more like, mismatching poll and scan result in more varying pipeline latency

[valid comet]

and then theres this next part is the thing that confuses me still given there is a lot of misinformation on this and I would like to ask people who actionally know about this

Latency, polling, and scanning

[toxic zephyr]

at start of a cycle, you'd at worst get 1/8000 + 1/3000 seconds

[valid comet]

yeah I can imagine, kinda like the GN and noctua pitch phase shift vid

[sage elk]

Pretty sure it does with razer having an 8k polling kb but doesn't actually scan at 8k

[toxic zephyr]

then for the next bit, you'll just get the data being sent every 1/8000 seconds, but the next change can only be registered after the next 1/3000 seconds

so depending on when your intended change happens, it can either be like 1/8000 + 1/3000 seconds that it's registered, or at worst 5/8000 + 1/3000 I guess

or something along those lines, i'm sure there's more nuance in there with the timings and shit

[wind tiger]

latency is almost entirely irrelevant to polling and scanning btw, it only reduces average latencies by a tiny amount

[valid comet]

best = 1/3,000, worst = 1/3,000 + 1/8,000?

[quartz trellis]

it depends a lot on the polling rate set. The 80HE runs 8k internally all the time by what i've understood so far

[topaz anchor]

Do you happen to know what KB is that? afaik Razer doesn't need to lie about that because it works for them

[sage elk]

Razer huntsman v2

[wind tiger]

internally it doesn't poll at all

[quartz trellis]

Oh, they definitely lie about their 8k bullshit

[wind tiger]

it scans, polling is an HID thing essentially

[sage elk]

Came out a couple of years ago so I doubt it actually had 8k scanning

[valid comet]

polling and scanning work in serial, and latency in tandem in parallel right?

[sage elk]

And it probably does poll at 8k like they advertise/say just not scanning at 8k

[dim sierra]

dont trust razer marketing

[quartz trellis]

in reality their 8k polling ends up being closer to 5~5.5k rather than 8k

[wind tiger]

latency is mostly firmware processing etc, it is entirely separated from that

[wind tiger]

I'd love to see data on that

[valid comet]

ah so its not... it doesnt affect polling and scanning.

[dim sierra]

so windows cause the most lantancy?

[wind tiger]

determining scanrate on a keyboard is incredibly difficult

[valid comet]

those are 2 seperate tasks

[wind tiger]

yes

[toxic zephyr]

an order of magnitude more in comparison to the keyboards these days

[wind tiger]

yes, your keyboard scans every 1/3000 of a second and then gets every update requrested every 1/8000 of a second, you basically line up 2 patterns on top of each other where you can have an update and where you can't

[quartz trellis]

every OS does

unless you're running basic unix

[wind tiger]

no even then lol

[topaz anchor]

I checked the latency tested by rtings for both huntsman v1 and v2. V1 (1k polling) had 4.5 ms single key latency and V2(8k polling) had 0.9ms single key latency. Idk if you can check the scan/polling rate exclusively but the end result seems to indicate higher polling rate for the V2

[wind tiger]

we are at a point where you can get low triple digit nanosecond latencies on mice

[wind tiger]

I would not trust rtings on this

[quartz trellis]

and then there's the 80HE with 0.5~0.6

[sage elk]

I doubt their latency is 0.9 that would make it faster than wootings 60he which isn't true at all

[quartz trellis]

they aren't particularly transparent about their methodologies to begin with

[wind tiger]

btw latency difference of 8k vs 1k is theoretically only 0.4375 ms

[topaz anchor]

Idk why it wouldn't be true at all since the (advertised) polling rates are 8k vs 1k

[quartz trellis]

but the 60HE runs all over the place, from 0.6 to 1.6

avg. on a 60HE is usually around 1.4

[sage elk]

It's been tested

[dim sierra]

i dont know if u can even feel the lantancy difference in modern day kbs

[quartz trellis]

Because of Razers Marketing bullshit

[topaz anchor]

Rtings says the 60he is about 1.8ms single key latency

[wind tiger]

"razers marketing bullshit" is the most empirical of evidences btw

[quartz trellis]

we all know it's true tho

[wind tiger]

I have not seen evidence that their 8k boards don't scan in 8k

[topaz anchor]

me neither

[valid comet]

Can I have something like this but for a keyboard only with all its parameters?

[wind tiger]

don't have something like that

[valid comet]

rip

[wind tiger]

also as someone that does not write the firmware themselves I could only make something based on assumptions

especially since there are different kinds of debounce algorythms used etc

[valid comet]

i love how interesting the keyboard rabbithole is

[topaz anchor]

I don't even care about these milisecond differences. 1ms vs 0.125ms doesn't matter. I'm buying the wooting for the actual useful features and great quality

[quartz trellis]

that would require a bunch of testing, which i'd actually expect from something like rtings

[valid comet]

thats awesome, but i just wanna know how they work on the most technical level

[sage elk]

Also I forgot to mention that I have both boards, so I am speaking from personal point of view a bit

[wind tiger]

rtings has a policy to not open devices

all they do is smash key and look at USB packages

[valid comet]

should any further testing be done

[wind tiger]

and I can still get more in depth on mouse analysis then them

[dim sierra]

so they can return the products after?

[quartz trellis]

if they don't open devices, how on fucking earth do they measure mouse latency?

[wind tiger]

smash key look at packet

[quartz trellis]

so basically the dumbest method

[wind tiger]

you could do comparative testing that way and still get better results then them tho

[wind tiger]

funniest part is they have probably THE best device out there to test latency (usb beagle) but they refuse to wire it up properly to every mouse

[sage elk]

Looks like their original result of 0.9 wasn't accurate

[wind tiger]

none of their latency data is

[valid comet]

isnt the XLAT supposed to be tge best DEVICE ONLY method currently available

[wind tiger]

also flawed tho

if used right ldat is accurate

[quartz trellis]

as Pronin said, none of their latency measures are correct or even accurate

[wind tiger]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/finalmouse-ultralightx/8.html

[quartz trellis]

that's a fucking big IF

[wind tiger]

you straight up get bogus data from xlat in a very reliable fashion

[topaz anchor]

I would still trust rtings a bit more than the fps gamer youtuber who picks up the mouse, spins it on the artisan mousepad and says "this sensor is like so good man feels like really good but the clicks idk I think my ravage beast shark tornado X1V1 Super has faster clicks" 🤣

[wind tiger]

I would trust neither one lol

[valid comet]

tryna word this in a way that doesnt make me sound like an idiot

[wind tiger]

like wtf

there is a very good way to test sensor latency

pzogel has been doing it for tpu for ages now

[wind tiger]

rtings refuses to use good testing methdologies and also refuses to improve their processes, yet people still hold them up like they got decent data, if you criticise something at best they retest a device in the same old flawed method and correct their data

[topaz anchor]

What makes me look on rtings to form my opinion is that they test everything the same way. Even if their tests are "super bad like omg bad", if everything is tested the same way it could mean that the better results are better indeed

[quartz trellis]

-0.5 ms?

wtf

[wind tiger]

not if their data is varying wildly to begin with

[wind tiger]

absolute number in their mind btw, not relative

[valid comet]

what are the parameters that make up the device latency of a keyboard on its own, and how can they be expressed in a function or formula? Does anyone know?

[quartz trellis]

how is -0.5 ms even possible? Is the device thinking ahead of them?

[topaz anchor]

And I've been duped too many times by the reviewers who just say what they think or what they feel.

[dim sierra]

new tech

[wind tiger]

something about how they calibrated their device is bad and they got a negative offset on everything I think

[valid comet]

maybe some people at wooting know?

[wind tiger]

aka they either never calibrate said device and their data drifts somewhere over time or they recalibrate every time but don't do it in a manner accurate enough to actually get good data

[dim sierra]

i just read up normal user experience and check for potential problems

[quartz trellis]

a brain hooked mouse that reads your mind and executes stuff the moment your brain even starts to think about

[wind tiger]

seen someone that has a button to use tobii eye tracking for hybrid mouse inputs soooooo

[topaz anchor]

Anecdotes are the last thing I'm concerned with. Satisfied users don't write good reviews, disatisfied users inflate they experience to get virtual revenge on the product

[dim sierra]

this remind me of neurolink, might be the next

[wind tiger]

that is a g502 btw

[quartz trellis]

we're all going to be trapped in a deadly VR game

is that the new HTR btw? o.o

[wind tiger]

read TPU reviews then

[wind tiger]

no, it's an HSK pro, does not look like some lovecraftian horror

[quartz trellis]

idk, the new HTR wolves or whatever it's called looks quite interesting

[topaz anchor]

what makes TPU the right authority? genuinely curious

[wind tiger]

pzogel just has reliable results

he mainly focuses on technical detail and puts in the effort to make sure is data is right

if there are firmware oddities he communicates it with the manufacturer and tries to have them get a fix out

[quartz trellis]

TPU has competent people who also sort out GPU BIOS versions not safe for public use

[wind tiger]

different people tho

[quartz trellis]

still competent folks

unlike other sources

cough AssUs cough

[wind tiger]

he is one of the most knowledgeable people ik about mice that doesn't directly work in the industry

otherwise it's fiend, which would be an easy sweep

[valid comet]

mfw rog dont even try making an HE board for their Azoth Extreme

[wind tiger]

idk about their keyboard development

[valid comet]

but yeah Ass sus

[wind tiger]

they have been trying with their mice at least (and failing)

[quartz trellis]

afaik there's something in the pipe rn, but i can't confirm nor deny it yet

[oak jungle]

-0.5ms come on man LOL

[dim sierra]

wasnt there a reddit post about a past asus employee that suggested light weight mouse early on and got completely shut downed

and now they are trying to compete

[valid comet]

Lets hope the switches are not proprietary HE!

[quartz trellis]

thing is that Asus Rog really wants to have all their recent keyboards wireless, which can't be done with an HE board or at least a giant ass battery

[wind tiger]

they have clearly been putting in a lot more effort in their mice

[dim sierra]

someone need to innovate a better battery

[wind tiger]

but why care about a carbon fiber mouse if it isn't especially light in todays market

[dim sierra]

yeah it was back when final mouse just released a light weight mouse and the asus top dog said they dont make inferior products

[valid comet]

i mean 47g is not really heavy either its still decently light, but is it worth it when armoury crate is in your system

[wind tiger]

[valid comet]

mouse is 8k right?

[wind tiger]

yea

[valid comet]

what about keyboard wired and 2.4?

[wind tiger]

idk

[sonic kindle]

If your playing valorant or really any fps I would highly HIGHLY advise against it

[lime falcon]

just saw the price of it

hell no, get viper v3 pro instead

[sonic kindle]

Each razer mouse has a diff purpose like viper is for comp DA is for ergo Naga is for mmos orochi is for baby hands cobra is for ppl who only care about rgb and basilisk is for tall people who can't learn claw grip and therefore live with aa heavy mouse

[pliant goblet]

why is there no he mouse

[sonic kindle]

Yeah we need an analog imput

[cunning gust]

"basilisk is for tall people who can't learn claw grip and therefore live with aa heavy mouse" you mean people that like comfortable mice

[wind tiger]

then buy a swiftpoint z

[wind tiger]

no the basilisk is for RGB people

[hoary quiver]

basilisk is for rgb freaks

[lime falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-party-rave-changing-colors-gif-16689346

avg basilisk user

[wind tiger]

the cobra is a basilisk but symmetrical, smaller and cheaper

they wanted to split that off from the viper

[cunning gust]

why would you want a symmetrical mouse

[lime falcon]

huh

[wind tiger]

and the deathadder is basically what the viper is but asymmetrical

[cunning gust]

hands aren't symmetrical

[sonic kindle]

I'm pretty tall and I use viper because I'm willing to trade palm grip (slightly more comfort) for much better performance

[wind tiger]

it's a nice shape

[wind tiger]

being tall does not mean you got big hands smh

[sonic kindle]

Usually does I got big hands

[wind tiger]

[cunning gust]

I'm short and use a basi because it feels comfortable

[lime falcon]

good for you

[wind tiger]

deathadder v3 too good tho

[sonic kindle]

I can flip a 5 inch bird name one other person who can do that lol

[wind tiger]

the new one is a tiny bit smaller which makes it seem even better

[wind tiger]

idk how long 5 inches is in SI units

like 12. whatever

on which I am gonna call bs

[lime falcon]

how big

[sonic kindle]

Closer to 4.7 actually so I would call it 11ish

[wind tiger]

man got shaq hands

[sonic kindle]

My ancestors were superior to yours deal with it

[wind tiger]

statistically we share ancestors so

[sonic kindle]

😯

[simple saffron]

his ancestors liked him more and thus gave him bigger stuff cuz bigger is better usually

now he suffers

[sonic kindle]

Long plane rides make me cry

[simple saffron]

can confirm lol, am tall but have like average hands

[digital elm]

That's a skill issue ahah

[sonic kindle]

Can confirm being 6 7 is a skill issue

I see Like 7'2 ppl on reddit in plane feel so bad for them

[simple saffron]

pretty sure 6 7 counts as very tall, not just tall

[digital elm]

It is very tall

[simple saffron]

I'd say tall is 6 0 - 6 4

[sonic kindle]

I'd say tall is 511 to 6'4

[fallen epoch]

Ye 5’11” - 6’4” usually what id classify as tall

[dense ridge]

so 1.82 is not tall?

[fallen epoch]

And anything taller then i say they’re looong

[sonic kindle]

I mean I'm not that tall I'm just average (what I say to anyone who says woah ur tall)

[fallen epoch]

Humble

[sonic kindle]

No I just wanna make em feel small

[simple saffron]

I call tall the stuff above average

180 cm is imo around the average range

[fallen epoch]

Then say “i tower over you”

[dense ridge]

@simple saffron 182 cm is average? where are u from =)?

[simple saffron]

the wooting country

[dense ridge]

then i am not surprised ahahahaha

[simple saffron]

lol

[sonic kindle]

Netherlands the average is like 6 1

I'd only be like top 15% and ppl would stop asking me if I play basketball

[dense ridge]

the average height of a Dutch man is 182.5cm

[simple saffron]

pretty sure you gotta be 7ft atleast for that question to arise here

[sonic kindle]

Is basketball even a thing there

[simple saffron]

got a bunch of friends that are taller than me and they never run into that question

[sonic kindle]

I thought it's mostly U.S.

[simple saffron]

it is, it's just not as big as in the U.S

[sonic kindle]

Huh

[sonic kindle]

I hope I don't grow anymore than for all I know I'm not even maxed out yet

[simple saffron]

like when you watch a sports channel it's mostly soccer and tennis

[simple saffron]

if ur really worried about it doctors can remove smth I forgot what it was called from your knees which stops you from growing

[idle depot]

Double the height and give it to the next person

[sonic kindle]

Oh yeah give someone an extra 14 feet

[sonic kindle]

I doubt I'll grow anymore so probably fine

[simple saffron]

lmfao

[sonic kindle]

Yeah you stop growing at 24 so I'm fine

[simple saffron]

I think I'd rather be 5'4 than 7'1

[sonic kindle]

They're both equally bad to me lol

The thing is I couldn't find one person in my extended family who was 6ft

Must have gotten some hidden gene

[simple saffron]

here's my reasoning: with 5'4 you can just wear platform shoes and if you're too bothered about not reaching the top shelf you can just order groceries online

with 7'1 even street signs will hit your head and you will have to always walk kinda bend over to try and prevent that causing back aches and stuff

[sonic kindle]

Yeah I can just order bagels online don't gotta go to nyc and get on a flight lol

[sonic kindle]

How I have never had lower back pain is beyond me

The miracles of working our regularly

[simple saffron]

I only sometimes have a little bit in my neck

[sonic kindle]

GET A TEMPURAPEDIC

[simple saffron]

working out can do wonders to your health yea

[sonic kindle]

Lol jk

I used to just tell people when they asked me if I was good at basketball I tried for a while a few years ago but I just wasn't good at it (truth) they would make the weirdest face I have ever seen

[simple saffron]

people when they find out basketball is about more than only being tall

[sonic kindle]

So now I do esports the only sport where height is a disadvantage

[simple saffron]

oh damn you're on esports level?

[sonic kindle]

Small tho

Just joining a small team

[simple saffron]

I've always tried to be good at games, but I always just end up above average

[sonic kindle]

And I'm not great so training rn

[simple saffron]

still pretty cool that you got in an esports team tho

[sonic kindle]

Yeah ig

[tepid vessel]

Hello, for the person who ordered the keyboard during the founder's campaign, when they will receive the keyboards ? :)

[pliant goblet]

mid august @tepid vessel

[spring raft]

You will see your estimated delivery time on your wooting page where you check your order.

[tepid vessel]

Oh okay ! The pre-order during the founder's campaign doesn't affect the time we get the keyboard

Thanks you

[red heart]

it somewhat does

if you buy now, you are in batch 2 which is in september

[tepid vessel]

Oh okay, alright perfect then

[dim sierra]

about 1 month gap

first batch should be early august

[tepid vessel]

Thanks you vm

[somber egret]

[digital elm]

In about a month guys, W

[dawn merlin]

:/ should have shipped already..

[valid comet]

well

[spark heart]

As long as it arrives -(0-0)/-

[arctic lichen]

Can the basilisk still work for any other game?

[sonic kindle]

Basilisk is a no go on any competitive game like mobas or fps

[arctic lichen]

Or just valorant?

[sonic kindle]

Also battle royale

[sonic kindle]

How big are your hands

A nice test is to put your pinky on F1 and see how far your thumb reaches

[arctic lichen]

Not so big but after I did grip training they have grown in size, but I’ll keep that noted.

[sonic kindle]

I would go with viper v3 pro

I don't really like the shape of gpro but you may like that

[arctic lichen]

Viper works for any game

?

[sonic kindle]

Great for comp like mobile fps and battle royal

[tight cypress]

Any mouse works for any game lol

[sonic kindle]

What game do you play

[arctic lichen]

You right. It was kind of a dumb question. He said basil only worked for valorant so I got a little skeptical.

[tight cypress]

Some of this, some of that

[sonic kindle]

Basilisk sucks for valorant and most other comp gamed

Viper is best for comp and DA is great for comp with big hands

[arctic lichen]

👍

[sonic kindle]

But what games do you play

[tight cypress]

In the end what's most important is that the mouse is comfortable for you

[arctic lichen]

I play COD, RPG games, a lot of free games, some competitive games or PlayStation games.

[sonic kindle]

Get a v3 pro it's perfect for you

[arctic lichen]

Bet

[sonic kindle]

It excels at fps and comp and good with rpg because assignable buttons

[sonic kindle]

V3 pro is probably the best mouse for you

[arctic lichen]

Wireless or wired?

[sonic kindle]

Wireless but they have a wired version if you prefer

Lemme link it

https://www.amazon.com/Razer-Viper-Wireless-Esports-Gaming/dp/B0CW25XR5R

[lime falcon]

its different tbh

[near pilot]

bit the bullet coming from custom kbs to try the 80he im excited

binged all the videos on the yt page already

[fading apex]

to me the viper V3 pro feels like a gpro

just more filling somehow

way better coating, + clicks

[lime falcon]

just a better mouse

[dim sierra]

viper v3 pro has a higher bump than gpro if that makes sense

[sonic kindle]

I absolutely hate the gpro purely because of the shape

It's so like you can tell they tried to play it safe

And not in a good way

[topaz anchor]

I snatched a -40% on a viper v3 pro. coming from a deathadder v2 90g wired mouse it really feels great

[sonic kindle]

Yeah using a mouse more than 70grams in fps is torture

[topaz anchor]

buying this mouse made me want to play fps games and wanting to play fps games made me find out wooting exists and now im here

[icy cosmos]

I am still having doubts on Wireless mouse. Cable all the way

[topaz anchor]

there's no doubts to be had. wireless is the same as wired nowadays

[verbal solar]

decent wireless mice are faster than the time it takes for your eyes to transmit <vision> to your brain

[floral locust]

Ive never built a keyboard before, and im just wondering if the only parts I need for a complete 80he is the wooting module, the case, switches and key caps. Thanks!

[pseudo parrot]

yes and likely a ph1 screwdriver

[tight cypress]

Also module comes with case

You don't have to order it separately

[elfin dock]

I'm being evicted from my apartment. Do I have to contact customer service to change my delivery address?

[buoyant solstice]

You can change the delivery address right from the hub.

https://hub.wooting.io/my/account

[elfin dock]

Oh, great. Thanks!

[icy cosmos]

I think we’ve passed the human limits a long time ago, yet we continue to strive for greatness. I just like the response without any delay at my command, also I don’t like having batteries die on me after 5+ years

[daring anvil]

I cannot wait for the 80HE, it's finna be epic

[oak jungle]

We ALL

[mossy wadi]

Best kb on market fs

[daring anvil]

yeah. I have a mechanical keyboard with Kailh Burgundy Red Linear Switches, 1000hz polling rate, and it's an okay keyboard.. but honestly i play a lot of games, and the lot of games i do play really need rapid trigger to take advantage of the gameplay

[mossy wadi]

Yeah it makes a big difference I have a 60he currently upgrading to 80

[daring anvil]

nicee nicee, the big thing that's keeping me from getting the 80HE rn is the price, and wait time. I might be starting a new video editing job soon, and would like a keyboard I'm more comfortable with. But the 80HE is definitely on my list to get as an "endgame upgrade", maybe next year.

[mossy wadi]

Yeah the wait is very long currently the price is expensive but it’s worth it compared to other kbs on the market

[verbal solar]

i think you'll remain gold elo regardless of the mouse being wireless or not, so it's fine i guess

[sonic kindle]

By an extremely small margin yes

[mossy wadi]

True

[fiery portal]

Ordered my first Wooting keyboard. Let's not tell the wife; she won't understand 🙂

[low token]

I will

[oak crater]

@elfin dock pretty sure you can cancel your order to pay your rent too lol

[low token]

Well he can

[upper garden]

im trying🥹

[upper garden]

what if i buy the team coffee and breakfast for a week?🥹

[severe tangle]

i'd fund that cause

[valid comet]

for some reason clicks on some mice and boards are more sluggish than others despite using good switches and components

some people skimp out on click firmware and algorithms which doesnt help

[low token]

Well you would have to go to china and tell workers to make your 80he

[valid comet]

80HE and other wooting stuff doesnt cut corners tho

[plain aurora]

just gotta get better at nerding over all the benefits then lol

hall effect kb can last a lifetime no contacts to wear out

[low token]

Well even you cant destroy case

Well there is way but it require to feed case lead or use pointy metal thing with hammer

[upper garden]

then someone eating good

[upper garden]

[slate junco]

Is there a photo of this keyboard with a JIS layout? Like product not render?

[vast notch]

Question! for Wooting 80HE Module, does it come with Plate, gasket-mount, or anything else? Except switches and keycaps.

[digital elm]

https://wooting.io/wooting-80he scroll down and you’ll find what you’re looking for

[shrewd sorrel]

If I want to mod my Wooting to make it thinner, would that be possible?

[vast notch]

That's 80HE, not the 80 HE Module, so I am not sure.

[jade widget]

It comes with everything the regular 80he has apart from switches and keycaps

[vast notch]

Thanks!

[dim lake]

when is the delivery of the wooting 80HE from the founders order ? when is it arriving ? was there a delay or is it on track still?

[glad fable]

Go to hub and login using the same email you used during purchase and you can check the estimated arrival of it

If you haven’t made an account just make one using the same email during purchase

[upper garden]

whats your batch name? i know first batch is early august

[hard vale]

august for na-champion, september for 2nd batch

[topaz anchor]

Input delay for wireless mice is not bigger than wired mice. Every pro player at the highest level uses wireless mice

[wind tiger]

it is bigger

but by a very minute amount, you got similar differences between wired mice as well

[dim sierra]

i hate wired mouse for the wire drag and it getting caught randomly