🌟│wooting80he

[vast prairie]

the handrest for this one doesn't attach though right?

[wispy trellis]

it seemd to me it was giving the custom scene some stuff to play with

[upbeat berry]

well for 60% and maybe 65% sure cases are very universal

but with TKL we would basically have to force a custom scene to spring up around a standard either way

be it an existing TKL "standard" or our own

[upbeat berry]

it has no latching or magnetic attachment

[wispy trellis]

the existing one sure would hafe some fitting cases (without LED BAR though)

[vast prairie]

have you used it? does it stay put?

[upbeat berry]

maybe from 1 vendor. all i have seen so far was vendor specific standards

so 1 TKL manufacturer has their own cases and they only work with their PCBs

[upbeat berry]

for me it does but i also dont have all that much high octane action going on

[vast prairie]

is this not the same for this new unique 80% though, except it is less likely for everyone else to use it?

[wispy trellis]

i think some "franken" wootings would hafe happened 😉

[upbeat berry]

its as unlikely as the current TKL layout

[wispy trellis]

but i actually came to like the layout honestly its not that i would hafe done it i just think most ppl liked that from the 60

[red heart]

The two he also doesnt have a lot of third party support and its basically just normal full size

[upbeat berry]

not to mention that the gasket mount makes it even less likely for third party cases pre existing

[red heart]

[upbeat berry]

that goes for any gasket mount

[upbeat berry]

well the reason is that the only standard for most keyboards is the switch layout. no mounting or case mounting standard. thats why the 60% community is special. they all basically flocked to DZ60 and GH60 compatible PCBs and cases

[red heart]

I dont think people realize they can easily rebind the function cluster to whatever they prefer

[red heart]

Someone should make a standard but that would just cause a situation like that one xkcd comic

[vast prairie]

I'm a bit screwed in the head so the off-centre spacebar bothers me, with everything shoved slightly left, it's nice to hear you can use fn to map home and end though

[wispy trellis]

hat's what I was thinking too. If I could change anything, I would make the LED bar touch-sensitive for sound adjustment, like a knob. That would have been cool, haha.

I really like the smaller profile overall; that one key row is quite nice. The space next to the up key—I would have put a logo or something there, but I understand why people prefer it clean.

[upbeat berry]

hard to do

[vast prairie]

the LED bar is just decoration right?

[upbeat berry]

cause scrollwheels only work as they dont have a start or stop usually. the keyboard doesnt know what the OS sound is at.

so a fixed length bar is hard to use for this

[red heart]

You can use it to show things like keyboard profile etc

[upbeat berry]

decoration and communicating more special things

[vast prairie]

can it whisper messages to me from beyond the grave?

[upbeat berry]

yes

[vast prairie]

oh good, it would be nice to talk to grandad again

[upbeat berry]

then just put the keyboard beyond the grave. take a good 15m distance and itll start whispering

(for anyone who doesnt get that this is a joke: its a joke)

[wispy trellis]

well firmware could hafe managed that or you simply see the existing bar as a total right corner 100#% left corner 0% any touch betwean would hafe set the sound to that percentage and a touch ++ scroll would hafe increased in small steps or deccresed i think it would hafe been nice

[upbeat berry]

thats not how volume wheels work

they send the volume down keyboard key every time it "clicks"

a keyboard cant control volume percentages that precise

the steps are also a fixed sized if i recall right

thats why wheels and knobs work but a slider for example doesnt

[vast prairie]

did you feel a knob wasn't necessary?

[wispy trellis]

interesting point i understand what you mean but touch != slider since touch could be resettet anytime and stand anywhere

[vast prairie]

do you hate knobs?

[wispy trellis]

it would hafe been possible to use it to make it "less loud" or "more loud" and silent wich is mostly used like your wife is telling you to do it 😛

[upbeat berry]

from what we have seen knobs are usually cheaply implemented and also an eyesore to the general esthetic (for many people obviously not all)

if we ever find a way to make a good knob

then we will also use it

[wispy trellis]

but i must admit i like that

-you can use any tkl keyset

• smaller profile than tkl
• amost all keys

[vast prairie]

what is zinc alloy like compared to aluminum anyway?

[upbeat berry]

the best youd get is touch left for less loud and touch right for more loud

[upbeat berry]

mainly just a heavier metal

[vast prairie]

so like Black Sabbath rather than Metallica?

[buoyant solstice]

Alu is a block of the metal. Milles out to fit.

Zinc Alloy is a mix of mainly Zinc with other metals like Alu, poured into a mould and casted.

[upbeat berry]

i mean you can cast aluminum cases

[vast prairie]

what does 'Milles out to fit' mean? I don't know this word sorry

[upbeat berry]

a cnc machine cuts the case out of a block

with drills and mills

[wispy trellis]

not even like touch +slide for 4 times less loude? interesting i tought ou could say like if you do this than set the key xtimes

[buoyant solstice]

Like taking a block of stone and cutting away everything to shape.

[upbeat berry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg9O3muq5ts

[wispy trellis]

will it be possible to engrave something here with à laser like a logo or is it not advised because of the coating? (zin ally black for me)

[upbeat berry]

if you engrave and recoat its prob fine

[buoyant solstice]

You would definitely risk the finish there, if the entire case wasn't sanded first and then recoated.

It's not black metal underneath. It's raw metal.

[upbeat berry]

yeah it depends on how you engrave and what you do after to prevent it from tarnishing

[wispy trellis]

so better letting someone paint it with color than engraving it

[jolly tangle]

I see no ussue

just remove the top part. laser it. done

[buoyant solstice]

That would be safer. But would also mean the thing you're trying to put on has less of a hard finish. You could accidentally wear it off over time.

At the end of the day it's like asking if you can engrave something like a car.

There's paint and coatings you're digging into, and you make take off more material than you planned to

A sticker of some kind would be a safe approach for the case.

[wispy trellis]

well a sticker is a nogo for me but i got your message ;P thanks

[buoyant solstice]

Maybe a custom cut piece of vinyl?

[upbeat berry]

ultimately you can do whatever you want but if the case is ruined we can only sell you a new one

[buoyant solstice]

If you do want to engrave, might be simpler to get the raw zinc case and have whoever's doing the work for you re-finish it afterwards.

[wispy trellis]

i think if that's the case i better settle with a custom wodden wristrest later on and keep it as it is thanks for the warning 🙂

[vast prairie]

I saw in YouTube video that the coating on the black zinc feels very metallic, what about the white? Is this less of a metallic style coating? Idk whether I would like the look of black with white key or white with black key better

[wispy trellis]

always go black with white keys if your not sure - i although love the finish of the white one it looks very unique clean - but black is a all-time favorite while white always has some kind of problems be it your mouse wich is not avialable in white or your deskmatt or some accessory or even your phone on a stand

in addition i really hafe in my mind that white keyboard + mouse looks so macintosh style .. i don't get it out of there

or even woerse it reminds me of those

i had them and it was so awsome and unique gettingg them in black later on

most ppl might not remember but the capslock was literly a "locked" key When pressed, it would physically lock into place, staying pressed down until pressed again to release. 😉

[icy cosmos]

Engraving is so 90.. you want a grinder in 2020 https://youtube.com/shorts/E7xZhAWGtlE?si=wsAyVjXEPqEDDjgr

[buoyant solstice]

[toxic zephyr]

okay fucking props to that girl but jesus christ I was worried her hair was gonna get caught in it

[valid comet]

im starting to really enjoy the look of the LED bar

before it was more of an extra touch for the 80HE but I am genuinely loving it now, it just gives it character like the 60HE+ strap. Just that kind of stuff that makes me appreciate Wooting that much more

Everything genuinely feels fresh

[toxic zephyr]

I'll most likely just have it as a static gradient, not sure what kinda functionality they might have for it that I'd also use

[valid comet]

volume, analog, profile, 0-9 etc

i can see it

[toxic zephyr]

yeah thing is I'd not use any of those things xD

[wispy trellis]

just a sidequestion can somebody suggest a usb hub wich literly allows the connection of mouse or keyboard with 8k polling and no problems? im tired of having hubs wich can't be used for the purpes are there some without delay or nything?

i would really love connecting my usb c from mainboard to the hub and than all in the hub but so faar i know camera (4k) or mouse and keyboard make problems

[valid comet]

intel or amd

[wispy trellis]

im not intarrested in a hub wich can't both 😛 now i have amd in 2 years i might have intel 😉

but why should it matter?

[valid comet]

intel, make sure it saturates Thunderbolt 3, 4 or 5 or USB 3.1 at minimum or higher with sufficient voltage

AMD USB 3.1 or 4 with sufficient voltage to each port

again I am not sure how to get a super high quality hub with voltage specs and voltage control

[wispy trellis]

it's annyoing the hell out of me ; usb was specificicaly build for supporting hubs but in the end you connect all to the board because the hubs are garbadge... there must be a good hub out there wich simply works

[red heart]

i'll probably use it as an indicator led to show if caps lock is on etc since i dont have shine through keycaps

[toxic zephyr]

if I had a capslock I might consider that

[valid comet]

i mean the spec for a 60HE(+) is USB 1.1 5V 0.85A

[lapis galleon]

right but for 8k polling you're gonna need higher specs

[elfin dock]

What's important when it comes to handling a high polling rate? Many cores? SPeed?

[lapis galleon]

I more meant USB specs

keyboards should run just fine at 8k polling with little to no performance impact

unlike mice

[valid comet]

at least USB 2.0 for 8k and high enough voltage and current support, again I dont know the specifics but definitely more demanding.

[lapis galleon]

yep

[valid comet]

maybe 5V 1A?

not sure

[wispy trellis]

i really wished there would be a suitable usb hub but all i could find searching is usb DOCKS for like 300€ and even then it seems to be smarter using the mainboard usbs SAD

[valid comet]

just saw wootings newest tweet

blossom pink 60HE+ looking really nice

[tidal sleet]

Yo do I need to lube screw in stabs?

[buoyant solstice]

Same answer as with switches. If they're preinstalled on the board, they're already lubed. If you bring your own, then you'd need to lube them,

[wispy trellis]

the real question ppl hafe is "is the prelub nenugh or do you need to add extra" 😉 but honestly that can first only be answered AFTER release and than it depends on batch quality and consistency and 2nd if i ask a producer if he is certain he did it correct as long as he cares wich you guys do the answeer will always be YES 😉 even if it isn't wich is only natural - so sadly no point in asking 😛

[buoyant solstice]

I don't believe were tweaking what we have already with the 60HE Module.

Same stabs, same application I'd assume

[wispy trellis]

same production location?

[buoyant solstice]

Switches are lubed during assembly at the switch factory.
Stabilizers are preinstalled into all modules, and are lubed during that installation.

Not till the 80HE ships.

[spark grotto]

Can't wait for the video tour of production!

[valid comet]

likewise!

[open lichen]

Do you have the source for this? Afaik a USB 2 port maxes out at 0.5A officially and 0.9A for usb 3. That's cutting it real close already if true.

[upbeat berry]

its definitely over 0.5A but most usb2 ports can provide it

[valid comet]

i saw it elsewhere I think it was in general one sec

[upbeat berry]

but yes running an HE keyboard at such high keymatrix scanning speeds is very power intensive. even disabling the RGB you get over 0.5A

but this is a think on the 2HE as well

[valid comet]

The special wooting coiled cables can actually run tachyon at 100% brightness?

[upbeat berry]

its not really special

[tight cypress]

Good quality, is all
My coiled Razer cable can handle Tachyon on 100% too

[jade widget]

straight cable

[valid comet]

I'm not 100% certain if this is fact but I hope it was true
#💬│general message

otherwise please correct me!

[tight cypress]

So... standard USB 5V and however much amps the keyboard needs?

[buoyant solstice]

Just like the stock cables, yes.

The only thing special thing about them, is that we ensure the wire gauge and soldering is up to the requirements of our keyboards - something not all coiled cables can say.

[valid comet]

What are the USB specs of the coiled cable?

[upbeat berry]

pretty sure its a usb 2 wired cable

[valid comet]

sorry if the question seemed hyper specific but I'm genuinely curious on the topic of USB versions, voltage, corrent and polling

[valid comet]

ah I see

[upbeat berry]

well in general our keyboards currently are all usb1.1 compatible

which has the same wiring as usb2

[tight cypress]

Voltage - 5V
Current - however much it needs

[upbeat berry]

and our wooting 80he will need usb2 for the modes over 1khz and otherwise it can fallback to usb1.1 theoretically

[buoyant solstice]

You sure it would even power on? 😄

[valid comet]

Wouldn't be surprised if the 80HE might need a higher current for true 8k, all white at 100% for all LEDs

[buoyant solstice]

8khz doesn't require more power.

It's the same signal. It's just sent more frequently.

[upbeat berry]

well i know our hardware engineers are working hard on solving some power instability issues

and we have no chip to talk usb3 anyway

[valid comet]

I figured the MCU at least for the 8k scanning would require some more juice than the 60HE+ TwoHE or UwU

[upbeat berry]

same that our current keyboards cant talk usb2

[buoyant solstice]

Mnope.

[open lichen]

There aren't any and in fact if your numbers are correct it's just all about minimising the losses coming from voltage drop to keep it in power spec. Normally if the power source had extra headroom it'd just account for that but it can only increase output by 0.05 amps while staying within spec. Not certain on this but I think that's why

[valid comet]

Awesome :D

[open lichen]

point is I'm sure the cable itself can handle like 4.5w no matter the type

[buoyant solstice]

Yeah it's all about ensuring the wire gauge is thick enough, the solder work good and the insulation sufficient for the length of cable and expectations of a clean signal.

[tight cypress]

I'd lean more towards 45W

Especially when at higher voltage than 5V

[buoyant solstice]

For example a standard Cablemod coiled cable a customer had wouldn't work with Tachyon and LEDs above 70% - But their PRO variant of the same cable worked fine. It had a thicker wire gauge and higher QC on the cable overall.

[valid comet]

I see, I mean I did just use Ohm's law to get around 4.25W from the 5V at 0.85A, but yeah it goes up to 4.5W for the extra 50mA

[open lichen]

what? Bro the USB port can only handle 4.5w max, that part I know and is also confirmed

unless it's a special port

[valid comet]

wooting black magic

[open lichen]

No I know that I'm just saying the cable isn't really the actual limit here, it's just more how efficient it is.

[tight cypress]

1. We are talking about cable
2. USB Power Delivery exists

[open lichen]

next to 0 motherboards have USB power delivery that's why I left it out

they'd elimate 99.9% of their userbase if that was required

[valid comet]

from getting the PD from A to B

[open lichen]

the pc is the source that's what needs to have it

[tight cypress]

Ah, then any USB can handle 4.5W no matter what
Cables can handle way more than that

[open lichen]

that's literally what I'm saying the port can only do 4.5w but the cable itself can do way more

[valid comet]

Curious, you know how the iPhone 15 has USB peripheral support? has anyone plugged in a wooting?

[open lichen]

if u plugged the cable into a 10w brick itd do 10w

the source is the problem is my point

[upbeat berry]

we wouldnt make it required as one goal is always as many compatible platforms as possible

[open lichen]

wdym? USB is universal

[upbeat berry]

and just going from usb1.1 to usb2.0 doesnt actually eleminate any current compatible platforms to my knowledge

[tight cypress]

Anywho, 80HE's GD32F425xx is maxing out at... 65mA or so? Which is next to nothing when compared to what LEDs will eat

[valid comet]

I tried connecting my K70 to my S20 Ultra, it was never detected in settings through the port

[open lichen]

yes I know I was saying mandating the USB power delivery specification

[upbeat berry]

im aware dw. just explaining a bit

[open lichen]

Thought It'd be primarily the leds ahaha. They're so bright

[valid comet]

So this is the MCU?

[upbeat berry]

actually our primary power consumer is HE sensors

[open lichen]

oh

[tight cypress]

Yup, you could see it on one of the videos

[open lichen]

nvm then 💀

[open lichen]

It's gotta be a significant chunk tho still right? Seeing people were having issues specifically at max brightness?

[pseudo parrot]

tried my ipad with my 2he. worked just fine

[upbeat berry]

it is a pretty big chunk but even without RGB the HE sensors alone push us above 0.5A of the USB2 spec

[valid comet]

cool, maybe I should try connecting my Keychron Q1 HE to my phone?

[pseudo parrot]

if you want haha

[valid comet]

ok sec'

[open lichen]

Just driver support then, if they wanted to get it working they could with some effort like apple has done

[sleek pelican]

times flown

[valid comet]

ok so

[sleek pelican]

its like 2 months-ish till august

[valid comet]

I just connected my 2.4GHz congle and it "worked"

[open lichen]

Damn that's rough. Lucky that it"s generally ignored by manufacturers then rather than being a hard limit

[valid comet]

"worked" loosely because it contantly unfocused from the typing bar everytime I presed a button

[pseudo parrot]

hm i see

[valid comet]

ok i will try over USB instead of the receiver

[upbeat berry]

id imagine the receiver to be transparent as can be and just showing up like the cabled version with a different HID device name

but same drivers etc

[valid comet]

yeah it was just an issue with discord on mobile\

idk why but i cant type on discord but it worked on google docs

very cool!

[valid comet]

Do we know if the 80HE's 8k works on Linux

Mint?

[wind tiger]

Afaik linux has issues with 8k hid in general

A keyboard might still be fine though

[valid comet]

Yeah I don't use any mouse above 1k, but I was concerned about kbs

[humble laurel]

why is my keyboard coming in september when i ordered it first said august

[valid comet]

Batch?

[rustic idol]

keyboard should be fine

1k mice struggle on linux though

[humble laurel]

what?

[valid comet]

What batch is your 80HE?

Mine is EU-Kampioen and its ETA is early August

[humble laurel]

EU-Brug

[buoyant solstice]

Then you've always been September. 🙂

[valid comet]

Oh might be the one after

[buoyant solstice]

Brug is EU batch 2.

[valid comet]

Well good things take time

[digital elm]

Did you change your order? you could have been moved to batch 2 because of that or when you ordered you were already put in batch 2

[humble laurel]

when i was paying it said early august and when i logged in the hub it said september

[humble laurel]

no not really

[midnight iron]

did you order just 1 keyboard or cancel and reorder?

[digital elm]

You just got put in batch 2 from the start

[humble laurel]

i just ordered it normal

[humble laurel]

i ordered 2 days after funding

[midnight iron]

if it's 2 days after the campaign ended then yeah, likely batch 2 from the start

[buoyant solstice]

Alright enough guesswork. What's your order number? EUxxx

[humble laurel]

EU178256H i think

[humble laurel]

yeah makes sense

[midnight iron]

batch 1 was totally sold out by then

[buoyant solstice]

Yep. Not sure where you saw August, but the August batch was sold out before the campaign ended.

[humble laurel]

hmm understand

so it is what it is

but still thx

[minor lance]

A little question: why is us ansi is more expensive than iso?

[red heart]

Iso does not include keycaps

So you need to buy those separately, which brings the price up again

[buoyant solstice]

PBT keycaps, not ABS.

You're comparing the wrong keycaps.

[digital elm]

Okay nevermind then

[buoyant solstice]

ISO can be either ABS or PBT.

[digital elm]

Ohh yeah, I was looking on french ISO and there only is ABS

[digital elm]

There is no price difference

I think I got it right now

[buoyant solstice]

French PBT are still WIP

[dim sierra]

upcharged for using american layout 💀

[red heart]

WIP means work in progress

[digital elm]

I was gonna ask

[red heart]

It is not out yet

[digital elm]

Thanks

[digital elm]

Do you think I they will come out before 80HE? I'd like PBT keycaps with my 80HE if possible

[buoyant solstice]

I do not.

[digital elm]

Okay thanks

[red heart]

Instead of buying the wooting keycaps i spent more money on keycaps for my 80he than on the 80he itself

[buoyant solstice]

Keycap market do be like that.

[digital elm]

Yeah it's fine, I don't expect you guys to have everything available straight away, everything takes time

[digital elm]

I'll lean towards X-Ray keycaps from modmusing, I hope they'll look good

But they don't have an ISO-FR layout which sucks

[buoyant solstice]

French is one of the hardest languages to find.

[digital elm]

They did a pole about ISO-FR X-ray keycaps but there wasn't enough interest in it so they didn't do it sadly

[digital elm]

Yeah, I found that out myself

[late shuttle]

Excuse me, when is 80HE+ expected to be released?

[buoyant solstice]

If you haven't placed an order yet, September.

[late shuttle]

thx

[vast prairie]

would be good if Wooting could sell keycap sets in multi colour tbh, like they have the wave designs but not standard multicolour sets like a lot of people would use

idk if that's cost effective though

[icy cosmos]

More options = more cost. So you’ve answered your own question.

The dream would be “made to order”. The technology isn’t cost effective enough for it to be profitable. People who have money can always afford to modify to their heart content.

[wispy trellis]

its not even possible to get a keycapset where pp say wow this is high quality we dont need other sets for quality ... the thing is most shinethrough are never as good as normal ones but ppl WANT shinetrue...

[buoyant solstice]

Define high quality.

Because that's not as simple as you'd think.

[red heart]

triple shot pbt when

[gray yacht]

hi guys. do you know when the names will be on the website?

[icy cosmos]

I think most people would agree that durability and attention to details are key points of quality. But since we’re in the realm of preference and personal taste. The meaning of quality can be different for everyone.

[upbeat berry]

uh probably way after computex due to some people needed to push it over the finish line being there

[vast prairie]

yes, but I mean if they are producing black and white, perhaps there is a cost effective way to produce batches of mixed, but I don't know. I bought my current set from tai-ho which do loads of mixed options but they are specialising in keycaps

It's not an issue it just would be nice as there's waste (and cost ofc) from having to buy multiple full sets

[pastel edge]

much love to whoever moved my 80HE back to kampioen

❤️

[digital elm]

80HE+? Ins't it 80HE? Or is it the same?

[tight cypress]

80HE, 80HE+ doesn't exist

[digital elm]

That's what I thought, I was wondering where was 80HE+ coming from

Thank you

[tight cypress]

Probably from 60HE+

[digital elm]

Yeah maybe he got confused

[icy cosmos]

He is thinking ahead… for the facelift model 😉

[pseudo parrot]

forget the 80he+ i want a twohe +

[fallen epoch]

[shell monolith]

Does anyone know what eu-steentje tag is for? Im confused

[pseudo parrot]

it’s a batch name

[shell monolith]

Yes but for what? 😝

[icy cosmos]

You’re on point again. You can’t compare a key caps company to a keyboard company. It’s like going to BMW and complaining on the ugly wheels options. Comparing it to BBS which is a aftermarket wheel 🛞 company.

[pseudo parrot]

looks like uwu

[shell monolith]

Aah I bought one recently so thats why

[pseudo parrot]

sweet me too

[tight cypress]

Me three

[fallen epoch]

Imma get one ordered soon

Do i get it with brass plate i wonder

[tight cypress]

Of course

[pseudo parrot]

i considered it but i like the white plastic would match nicely with white zinc

[shell monolith]

Get the brass if you like heavy stuff i guess ehhee

[fallen epoch]

Aye aye captain!

[verbal solar]

anyone had the VAT fee refunded to their original payment method?

I got the email saying it will be refunded but never got the refund

[shell monolith]

Funny enough e46 m3 gtr came with bbs rims from factory

[buoyant solstice]

Then you'll have to make sure to email us back about this.

[icy cosmos]

I know, that’s showing the quality of BBS. Wooting can also do that, collaborating with companies that makes quality products/ accessories

[icy cosmos]

I just requested the invoice so I use it to file a VAT to my tax office 🤔. Didn’t knew it was auto refunded

[verbal solar]

people living outside the EU don't have to pay VAT I think, so it gets refunded since VAT was in the listed price

[buoyant solstice]

Not accurate at all.

We don't show or charge VAT outside of the EU.
We charge sales taxes or import duties for locations such as UK, US and Canada, where we have the automated paperwork set up for their respective customs agencies.

[verbal solar]

ooh okay, I just reread the original email and you're right. thanks

[small rune]

Any news announce in the livestream?

[buoyant solstice]

Nothing groundbreaking. Jeroen answered a lot of questions people had, he talked about a potential refresh of the 2HE within a year or two. And he showed off some preview pics of the Computex Booth next week.

[dusky tiger]

I wonder if the computex booth will have 80HE sample

[buoyant solstice]

Yes!

[dusky tiger]

that's cool 👀 Sadly I don't live anywhere nearby

I'm so excited for my wooting to arriveeeee

the last piece missing from my full gearrr

[small rune]

Dvt samples?

[shell monolith]

Can you change the led bar colors on the 80he?

[livid schooner]

Are the rubber feet of the 80he keyboard non-slip? The ones on my current are quite slippery.

[buoyant solstice]

Of course. Retail "samples" aren't a thing as such.

That would mean we'd be delaying customer boards.

[spark heart]

logically they should be

ask the wooting team abt it. like mansen or smth

[dark badge]

Im sure this was answered before but if I preorder over a month ago when it said june2024 but now the order page says augut 2024 for preorder, should I be expecting June still or August? 80he

[buoyant solstice]

https://hub.wooting.io/my/account
What the hub says is the source of truth.

[dark badge]

oh it was late July, not june lmao

thanks 👍🏽

i said a month ago, i ordered in march 😂 cant wait

[calm wyvern]

EU-Kampioen lessss goooooo

[valid comet]

EU-Kampioen too? GG gang

[dreamy sedge]

Kampion gaaaang

[valid comet]

btw my first personal order from wooting will be here June 3!

[digital elm]

Kampioen goated

[opaque panther]

i have two arrival dates that says mid august and one that says late july which one is the correct one

[buoyant solstice]

Whatever the hub tells you.

[buoyant solstice]

That one is the hub.

[opaque panther]

thanks

[high basin]

My Order swapped from August to September ^^

[wispy trellis]

i didn't meant it in away that you hafe cheap quality i meant you can't make it right for the keyboard enthusiasts i never say them say "ah by the way the premium keycaps they deliver the keyboard are awsome" they simply don't

[tidal sleet]

Same

[tidal sleet]

Howwww

[wispy trellis]

for me though i love CLEAR CLEAN ones where every detail is the same "good" Thickness and streight stems dye sub prefered because i hate shiney löook of abs specialy if its gmk 😛 it hurts to see that - and very very clean labeling nothing fancy of the sort

[tidal sleet]

I didn't know it arrives so so early late july

I bought coffee shop set

[wispy trellis]

Material: Made from PBT plastic
Thickness: aprox 1.5mm thick.
Manufacturing Process:double-shot molding or dye-sublimation
Profiles: Cherry
Aesthetics and Acoustics: Consistent color schemes, clear legends, slightly textured surface, and enhanced typing sound quality.

[tidal sleet]

Pretty boring in my opinion

My pick

[fallen epoch]

Cute

[tidal sleet]

Ordered it for my 80he

Well not yet since its not in stock but intent to

[wispy trellis]

did you watch out for the SHIFT?

[tidal sleet]

Wdym

[wispy trellis]

in the picture it's the wrong size

does the set has a correct sized one?

and ofc FROW KEys

[tidal sleet]

Yep

171 pieces

[wispy trellis]

good shift sometimes is missing that's important for the 80he

[tidal sleet]

They r 1.5m thickness, pbt, dye sub, cherry profile

[tidal sleet]

What do you mean by good shift

[wispy trellis]

"not good shift" i meant GOOD; Shift key is sometimes missing in sets ; don't worry 🙂

[tidal sleet]

Just don't like all white

[wispy trellis]

i planned mine with pale yellow accents and blue usb cable - it was a example for clean fonts

because the fonts on those keycaps is really something special

[tidal sleet]

Which keycaps

Special in a good way?

[wispy trellis]

im using Teleport KEycaps the Fonts are really Crips and Clean and not too hughe

what i don't like about them is they are a bit too smoth on the surface but you can't hafe all..

https://www.theteleport.de/products/teleport-keycaps-iso-de

anyway german keycaps are extra hard to come by in a good quality

wich is a shame if you consider it's the origin of gmk...

[tidal sleet]

Ohhhh

U use German layout

[tidal sleet]

Explains it all, just saying this has a German layout

[red heart]

german gmks are not THAT hard to find

oblotzky added some new norde kits recently

[wispy trellis]

yeah but im anyway not much of a fan for abs too expensive too fast gettingg shiny - i just think its sad that gmk's are harder to find in german layout than in us for a german company i find it a shame - but its not their main business anyway..

[tidal sleet]

....

[wispy trellis]

im already having my set 🙂

[tidal sleet]

Ight

[dull token]

we have the same batch but mine comes later :/

[dull token]

any idea why same batch had different ETA's for diff people?

[tidal sleet]

Do u have expedited shipping

[dull token]

i dont remember tbh

prob not iirc it was only 3-5 days faster

[tidal sleet]

Then u probably don't and he probably has

[dull token]

ah, ty

[tidal sleet]

Ehats iirc

[dull token]

if i remember correctly

[tidal sleet]

Ohhhh ok ty

[tidal sleet]

My only guess otherwise idk why

Maybe living closer to the warehouse

[dull token]

i mean its prob right, im 99% sure i didnt get it because $15 for 3-5 days early wasnt worth it for me

and i bought 2 so i would need to pay it twice since i did seperate orders

[tidal sleet]

8 dlrs

But u shouldnt even care to much

[dull token]

for me it was an extra 15, but either way its not gonna be like weeks early (at least i hought)

[tidal sleet]

It's like early August mine only arrive in September and 6 days off ur order wouldn't matter

[tidal sleet]

Why 2 in separate orders

[dull token]

ur prob in EU tho, i saw most ppl in EU say sept

[tidal sleet]

Nah, na just different batch

Na bridge

[dull token]

idk lol, placed one and then remembered i want a 2nd one to sell or do smth with

[tidal sleet]

U could of edited ur ordered and just added it...

[dull token]

no i tried with CS

[tidal sleet]

Cs?

[dull token]

i tried to only add a wristrest to one, but 1. it took like 1 week for them to get back to me cuz i placed the order like day 1 pre order, and they said i would need to cancel and re order

[dull token]

customer support

editing order wasnt rly an option and i didnt wanna fall to a diff batch date

doesnt matter now, both already placed

[tidal sleet]

Alr

BTW, why do u need 2?

[mystic current]

one for feet maybe ?

[spark heart]

Stupid question. But is ISO or ANSI better?

[fallen epoch]

It’s preference

[buoyant solstice]

What do you have right now? Stick with that.

[spark heart]

I ordered an ISO. I used to have ISO and now I have an ANSI.

[haughty robin]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vast prairie]

it's just preference, I prefer ISO because big boy enter key is so satisfying

[haughty robin]

I like a longer right-shift. It's the same reason I don't like a lot of compact tkl designs

I'm always missing that key if it's smaller

hitting like up-arrow instead if some keyboards cram it in there

Then i'm editing on another line and it's no fun 😦

[vast prairie]

left-shift?

right-shift is the same I think?

[haughty robin]

oh and since i usually also hit shift while fat fingering the key, it also deletes a bunch of my line and gives me shellshock from how much it jumps around

[haughty robin]

i coulda sworn it was smaller, but I'm probably just been looking at some tkl version or something

[wispy trellis]

as a german i can't even consider ANSI how am i suppost to write the word "Höchstgeschwindigkeitsüberwachungskamera"

[haughty robin]

That's a cool camera

I think. I just looked at the last letters

[vast prairie]

it's Speed camera, no?

[wispy trellis]

yes^^

[haughty robin]

lol yay for germanic similarities. I dont speak any german

[vast prairie]

I didn't put a lot of effort into learning German because not many speak it

Spanish French and English is almost the western world sorted

I go anywhere and most people speak at least broken version of one of these

[wispy trellis]

well i don't need it much and it came naturally 😛 i can't even consider how it is to LEARN it

[vast prairie]

I don't think they start with speed cameras 😛

[haughty robin]

But yeah now that I look at it, I think I had the same problems with missing the smaller left-shift

Extra key is nice tho

Why not BOTH? Long left, AND big-ass enter. Who needs that extra key anyways. I dont need pound on my number-keys

Once upon a time tho, I made my big ansi \-key into my backspace key, and then I split my backspace into two extra normal sized keys. I actually really liked that layout, but learned really quickly why backspace and enter are separate (wanting to delete/revise a slack message, but you hit enter while trying to backspace)

[gleaming surge]

so I just ordered an 80HE Ghost with extra white PBR caps....

is there anything I should know about it? other than apply patience for when it actually arrives...

[toxic zephyr]

the exact same way you would on an ISO board though

[wispy trellis]

öäü?

[toxic zephyr]

those would be where you left them

ISO or ANSI doesn't change what the keys output

[haughty robin]

I just dug this up from my old saved files when I was really into keyboard modding. It's amazing how close it is to the final design of the 80he. The one I made up is a bit more compact, since I shave off a lot of the (imo) unnecessary space used in the ANSI. Yeah I know my design wont translate to ISO, but I built it for me years ago. Just cool to see how the 80he really is the perfect layout for me.

[toxic zephyr]

I don't see how that's changing anything in regards to ANSI or ISO specifically

[haughty robin]

I think I have an old kicad file in my other hard drive where I built the pcb too. But these days I wouldn't dream of printing my own keyboard pcb with all of the mag-switch tomfoolery going on

[valid comet]

the only difference is the space bar is not 6.5u its supposed to be 6.25u and the keymapping

[haughty robin]

I think the one in my picture is actually 6. I cut a lot of space from the right side

[valid comet]

mb yeah 6u

[haughty robin]

I think 5.75 would look better in that old pic of mine now that I see it. I hate how the right-shift and right-ctrl are aligned

Kinda copy the 0.5u space wooting did for their arrow keys

[valid comet]

oh yeah and the f row is not grouped in 4s

i just realized lol

[haughty robin]

gotta save dat space lol

[valid comet]

real, compact tkl be like

for real tho the 80HE layout has grown on me

i actually really love it

[wispy trellis]

true dat only thing confusing me is the Bump on top of the F Row

[valid comet]

sure not ideal for case swap but its a good layout there are keys I just dont use

[haughty robin]

I never use right-alt

I need to learn a way to use it. Level up my keyboard shortcuts

[valid comet]

anyone wanna vc

i came back from work

[wispy trellis]

honestly though why that bumb ?

[buoyant solstice]

Gasket mount and case angle.

[haughty robin]

For the wireless antenna obviously

It's been a secret until now

[valid comet]

makes sense.

[valid comet]

omg imagine lol

[buoyant solstice]

I know Kevin and Calder spent a -lot- of time trying to shave down the edges as much as they could, while retaining the expectation of the gasket mount and not showing screw holes in bad places.

[toxic zephyr]

the way I see it it's 6.25u just like normal

[wispy trellis]

holes for wooting shoulder strap (since its bigger its not a handle anymore ;))

[wispy trellis]

can imagine that since it was mentioned in a video that the explodet space under the spacebar annoyed - it's only natural that that bumb was not "wanted" 😉

well better there than anywhere else^^

i even thought about using that space to personalise like next to the upkey a logo and on the bumb a name

im away from engraving towards lasercut 3d print

[toxic zephyr]

yeah the forehead is not the best but from the angle you'll be looking at it it's okay

[drifting shuttle]

they making an 80HE wristrest? :D, willing to try it again now that I've angled my keyboard to like 30 degrees, lol.

[wispy trellis]

https://wooting.io/product/wooting-wrist-rest-80he?Color=Black

sadly not wood...

[drifting shuttle]

oh damn ty lol

they redesigned it, it looks like. slightly.

front angle

[valid comet]

i got that with my order

this was my order

zinc alloy comes with the carrying case

[ember creek]

Wouldn't a wood wrist rest hurt

[wispy trellis]

does the table hurt when you don't use one? 😉

[vagrant haven]

When is the electrified wrist wrest releasing? We know hovering is the healthiest typing posture, it’s time to do something about it👀

[vast prairie]

hovering is healthy when typing in short bouts

not when playing 2 hours of games

[vagrant haven]

That’s what big carpel wants you to believe

[wispy trellis]

on my workdesk im currently using this - best logitech keyboard so faar - except of the keycaps..

wood always is classy and nice

[toxic zephyr]

are you trying to make RSI happen

[ember creek]

Yes which is why I bought a cushioned wrist rest

[drifting shuttle]

actually way more comfortable. I type better. good for small hands.

[ember creek]

As a guitar enthusiast I generally am also a wood accessory enjoyer as well

[wispy trellis]

mostly it's the "angle" not the surface wich hurts cushion on a keyboard wrist rest is really too much imho

[drifting shuttle]

just need lighter springs for my switches for less finger fatigue. and a wrist rest atm

[wispy trellis]

wooden wrist rests offer better durability, stability, hygiene, aesthetic appeal, and temperature compared to padded wrist rests as long as you don't really really need padding go with wood the same issues i fear with silicon

hygine temperatur haptic..

[ember creek]

I think I do angle my hand differently than most people while gaming though, and I've actually just been using a rolled up microfiber towel as my wrist rest lol

[haughty robin]

Long sleeves are the real wrist rest

Let's be honest

[ember creek]

But I can't use mouse with long sleeves

[haughty robin]

Just think of it as a wrist rest for your mouse

[buoyant solstice]

Not sure I agree. A silicone wristrest is super easy to clean and keep clean.

Wood has more texture, so you gotta work harder to keep it properly clean.

[wispy trellis]

actually no even wood cuttingboards are nice to keep clean while silicon sadly sticks badly with skin oil fat a soaped / Oiled / sealed woodenboard is always clean specialy sealed ofc what you sayed matches with a RAW wodden board

[pseudo parrot]

silicone is comfy i find wood to be too hard on my wrists

[wispy trellis]

yeah it is nice but im really skeptical with skin dust fat and oil

[pseudo parrot]

haven’t tried wootings wrist rest just another one that is silicone, and yes that accumulated a ton of skin oil sweat whatever else

wood id imagine doesn’t show as much

[wispy trellis]

absolutely look at my keyboard and than my board..

[pseudo parrot]

yeah yours looks new still

[wispy trellis]

both uncleaned since buy.. i actually need to clean the keyboard but the wrist rest looks like new

and that's 6 month of use

[pseudo parrot]

pretty nice

[ember creek]

I'm rubbing my grubby hands into the neck of my guitar that's just finished with oil every day for years and it's still nice

Cleaned with nothing but more oil

[vast olive]

hey all, just preordered the 80he from a logitech g915.. a couple of beers gave me the courage to hit buy 😛

[ember creek]

Nice

[vast olive]

which guitar is that? I got 3 myself

[ember creek]

It's a music man jp15-7

[wispy trellis]

yeah wood is awsome - but i give the wrist rest a chance but i think silicon literly will handle skin oil and dust very bad

[night skiff]

id anyone go to support and manage to change the 80he case? I spoke to support, but I'm afraid it won't work

[jade widget]

send an email they'll get to it eventually, definitely before it ships

[night skiff]

Ok thanks for help me

[brisk nacelle]

its probably better if you just cancel the order and replace the order

i can imagine their tickets are packed

[wispy trellis]

only if you don't loos a batch

it took them to answer 1 weak was easy and they changed my order fom plastic to zink

[lament vapor]

all zinc ones comes with it

and a extra switch pack of the opposite one u got, its nice asf

[steady escarp]

Extra switch was on all not just zinc during the campaign I think

[valid comet]

i already got the free 90x L45 v2s from founders campaign anyway

[lament vapor]

yeye I thought it was only for the zinc one xd

[valid comet]

i got the prebuilt one, no the only thing that comes included with zinc is the case

[lament vapor]

nah nah im saying that with the zinc or prebuilt u got both switch packs, and a case for the zincs. I forgot the free switch pack was part of the founders campaign lol

[valid comet]

oh

[lament vapor]

im just dumb xd

[winter wedge]

Ya think these would go well with white zinc alloy?

[valid comet]

white zinc alloy mmm

[ebon sluice]

is the spacebar meant to be pink, it says it is but isn't smh headdd

[winter wedge]

No clue, I just been looking around to see what keycaps would go well other than plain white, those aren’t actually mine 😭😂

[ebon sluice]

Wooting's new pink/white wave kaps would look good but looks like it's 60% only

[winter wedge]

All good I’ll probably just transfer over my IFK monochrome from my tofu and put the ones that come with the wooting 80 on the tofu

[wispy trellis]

nice color but horrible hughe font ; the font literly makes the whole thing look cheap 😭

[toxic zephyr]

yeah and the text on spacebar is garbage

[icy cosmos]

Black and white base colour can match anything. Embrace the rainbow 🌈

[solemn hare]

Can i change my pre-order?like changing the case

[buoyant solstice]

Email us at [e-mail]

[solemn hare]

Sure!

[verbal solar]

White or black pbt keycaps for a wooting 80he Zinc Alloy in white? I now have a wooting 60he with white keycapsx but they always get so dirty with black spots on the edges.

I just cleaned them a few days ago

[buoyant solstice]

Up to you? I'd personally colour match white to white

[red heart]

you should try washing your hands sometime

Havent cleaned these caps yet, have had them for a month or 2 so far

Most of it is dust

[wispy trellis]

alwaysa coinsider way more colorscemes match with black case than with white 😉

[verbal solar]

I'm on vacation right now, but I still take a shower every day and wash my hands every time I go to the bathroom. they're not dirty, so I don't know where it's coming from. But I have a hunch.

[verbal solar]

Ok thanks

[red heart]

i always wash my hands before using my pc so everything stays as clean as possible

[verbal solar]

the problem has existed for several weeks but only since i had cleaned it completely i took a brush and used it to remove the dirt from the keyboard. but in places like the space bar or the enter key for example there was glue that was strangely liquid which i sometimes wiped away a little but not much i then cleaned the brush in water and in the water i then also cleaned the keycaps which was perhaps not so wise because maybe the glue from the brush is now on the keys and attracting the dirt

[fast pilot]

Im still wondering how yall buy the 80he and act like its nothing

[red heart]

wdym

[fast pilot]

Nobody complaining about costs

[daring axle]

its not nothing. its a keyboard

[fast pilot]

Yet its 1184 lei

[red heart]

eh the price is fine

its the best gaming keyboard on the market when it comes out so the price is justified and it's not cheap garbage in other aspects

[verbal solar]

you get the best keyboard in the world so why should that be too much?

[red heart]

has a lot of good features and comes partially pre modded etc

[fast pilot]

True but still

[red heart]

obviously if you dont have that kind of money or live in a country where that cost is too high for any normal person then yeah probably not

[fast pilot]

1184 is 1/3 of the usual salary

[daring axle]

i mean, my whole setup already costs around $2k. dropping some money on the part of my setup that i interact with the most seems pretty laright. especially when its from a brand that is known to be one of the best in the market and the only one that is known to have good HE boards

[jade widget]

you could probably say the same thing about every single part of some our setups

[red heart]

but i think most people that bought 80he live in countries where people can generally afford a 200 euro purchase every now and then

[verbal solar]

Had the money lying around so I thought I'd treat myself to the new one yesterday I built my new pc together so I thought it would go well together is not much money

[fast pilot]

My only real option for getting it is selling/trading my keyboard or flip it and try buying it

[verbal solar]

I spent a total of almost 1.5-2k just on my settup

[midnight iron]

honestly if you are in a financial place where the $200 for the keyboard is tricky to stretch then you probably shouldn't go for it

[fast pilot]

• i rlly cannot wait 2-3 months for it (im not patient enough)

[midnight iron]

gotta make smart financial decisions, then you'll have more money later

[wispy trellis]

its expensive as hell and he is right 😉 its 300€ with alloy and 200€ with plastik as example one of the top mechanicals from a big company azoth is like 200€ with 2,4ghz oled display and co

but as all things are if you buy premium you know why

[fast pilot]

I dont know why u need an OLed on a keyboard but ok

[buoyant solstice]

Or wireless 😄

[wispy trellis]

that's not the point the point is it is expensiv 😛

[sonic olive]

how much time do have to order the 80he and arrive mid august?

[fast pilot]

The cheapest of Oled monitors are 600 - 700 anyways

[buoyant solstice]

About a month and change too late.

[wispy trellis]

if anybody says its cheap he can't be in his right mind but ppl don't mind

[fast pilot]

Yep a batch sent to a warehouse in mid august

[toxic zephyr]

well yeah you live in one of the places in europe with the worst purchasing power

[fast pilot]

:why:

[sonic olive]

alright thank you

[verbal solar]

Other good keyboards sometimes cost even more or advertise features that they can do but are not possible stealseries hust hust

[toxic zephyr]

for us that live... anywhere else than romania, price is probably alright

[fast pilot]

:why:

[toxic zephyr]

wat

[buoyant solstice]

wut

whermst?

[fast pilot]

(Also :why: is an emoji i cant use cuz no nitro just imagine a person screaming with his hands up why)

[red heart]

[fallen epoch]

[fast pilot]

Exactly

E

[fallen epoch]

[fast pilot]

Owner of serv should add it

For people with financial issues

[buoyant solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-4095597578532971838

[fallen epoch]

Ducks superior

[fast pilot]

(Me)

[red heart]

[clear swallow]

It's like someone above said

if you are from a country where a 200 euro one off purchase is not really an issue, you buy an 80HE

If you are from a country with low salary etc. prob not so much

[fallen epoch]

Holy moly they’re grooving

[red heart]

[fast pilot]

Our usual salary is barely enough for the cheapest of oleds

[red heart]

[clear swallow]

Not talking about OLED's, they aint cheap regardless

Taking about the 80HE, 180gbp wasnt really a big deal for me

[wispy trellis]

no 300€ is still a issue even for germans as example if your a g33k you buy if your a casual buy dropdeer or something

[clear swallow]

500-700 on an OLED? Big deal

[midnight iron]

wooting is a luxury purchase at end of the day - it's a top tier gaming keyboard. Not recommended to be buying (or any pricy gaming peripherals) if you don't have a certain amount of disposable income where it's not hurting you

[fast pilot]

Our usual salary per month is 3k

[clear swallow]

So if 300 is an issue, buy the ABS plastic option for 200 euro? i dont get it

[fast pilot]

200 still is 1k lei 1/3 of sal

[wispy trellis]

its still crazy spending 200€ fpr a keyboard unjustified money you either can or you don't its not like you need a wooting 50€ keyboards are fine too

[clear swallow]

Yes, unfortunate that salaries arent high where you are, but like someone above said, a Wooting is a luxury at the end of the day

If you are on a budget, plenty of stuff out there

[wispy trellis]

nobody needs a jaguar ftype or a aston martin you buy it because you want it that's why nobody complains about money

[fast pilot]

Stop inflation frfr

[toxic zephyr]

make romania competitive more like

[fast pilot]

Make romania usual salary 2k dollars a month

[toxic zephyr]

you're making good progress I from what I gather but it's still gonna be some decades away until everyone there can enjoy a good purchasing power comparable to the rest of eu

[tight cypress]

But... you're not buying a keyboard every month, just every couple of years, you can save for it easily

[clear swallow]

shit, us in the UK want that too

[fast pilot]

Isint ur minimum wage 11 pounds

[wispy trellis]

the question is more like is it outdated soon 😛 i imagine buying a new one in 5 years soo yeah...

but im usaly selling my old stuff 😉

[clear swallow]

Hourly and salary are different, I make around 1.5k gbp a month, pay rises coming this year to make it about 1.8 but still waiting lol

[toxic zephyr]

could save for it but if for you a keyboard was 4k zloty, would you buy one at all? I know I wouldn't if keyboards were like 1k€ haha

[jade widget]

the average monthly salary in Romania is about ~2000 USD equivalent at least according to google

[tight cypress]

My Alloy Pro I had for 6 years or so, same I expect for my 2HE, at least

[fast pilot]

Isint a dollar 4.76 or sum and pound 5.96

[fast pilot]

I think it mean 650

[tight cypress]

If the quality and features were adequate to the price then sure
It would have to massage my hands at this price but still

[verbal solar]

I'm also from Germany and I say it's a lot of money, but it's worth it. For example, I bought a case + full icue link with lcd aio for just under €600 just because I think it's nice and it looks really cool. Yes, I know, I have no sense of money and I can't really afford it, but you pay for the keyboard to then use it for years. My old PC lasted for 7 years and you don't throw away a keyboard tomorrow. You keep it for years, so it's worth it and it's not too expensive.

[toxic zephyr]

hell it would have to massage something else of mine for that price

[tight cypress]

Ah, feet too

[wispy trellis]

i think you loost focus fif you can't affort a pc more often buy cheaper prepherials and spend the money for better pc would be wise

[toxic zephyr]

[wispy trellis]

its not worth it its plain lucery good 😛

[fast pilot]

My pc is 8 years old with no upg

[verbal solar]

I have more than enough money, I just keep spending it on different things, and you keep things for years, not months, or do you buy a cell phone today and the next one in 6 months?

[fast pilot]

If u have more than enough money ship me a wooting 60he rn frfr

[pseudo parrot]

flagship phones these days go for at least 15k nok high end computers go for well over 20k nok, i’d say wooting is a high end board and you get a lot, also gets years of updates so to me it’s worth

[wispy trellis]

i just bought a house and a new car and i still think the keyboard is quite on the uppr end.. its not really about having it but how much you value something

[verbal solar]

I am currently writing with one but I still bought the 80he

[wispy trellis]

and if it fits..i mean you don't buy a car for 5k and than spend 10k for the coloring..

[fast pilot]

Aight bet gib ur 60he after u get the 80he frfr

[verbal solar]

???

#🕒│waiting_room message

[fast pilot]

E

[red heart]

i am wooting one enjoyer to this day

cant wait for the day i can lay this thing to rest

[fast pilot]

I can wait till september (;

[verbal solar]

What can you wait for?

[fast pilot]

Rehehehe

[fast pilot]

Read the convo again if u didint understand xd

Ping when u done cuz yes

[verbal solar]

Besides, I live somewhere else and have no lira

[fast pilot]

I am gonna play uno and i am way too lazy to translate

[verbal solar]

You want me to buy you a Wooting, unfortunately I won't do that

[fast pilot]

No no no i meant ur wooting 60he after u get the 80he shipped

[verbal solar]

I'm also sometimes really lost and translate German to German hahahah

[verbal solar]

Unfortunately you live too far away for that

[fast pilot]

:why:

Send woth ali express fr

Send with fan courier

[verbal solar]

No, just order a fake Wooting on Temu or Aliexpress

They just won’t be as great and awesome as the real

[fast pilot]

Not gus

[fleet raven]

Hi guys, i pre ordered the 80HE, any extra keycap recommendations?

[red heart]

depends on how much you are willing to spend on keycaps

if you want the best of the best, you will have to pay a price accordingly

[wispy trellis]

wrong question - that's a rabbithole and since you didn't give your langauge its impossible to answer ansi iso gb iso de etc pp

[hidden crest]

ansi cherry profile go

[jade widget]

too many options go with a set that looks good to you

[icy cosmos]

People value things differently, you can rent an apartment and become a member of a car pool instead of buying a house and a new car. I do agree with you that there’re sensible ways of spending one’s money but at the end of the day. It’s all about the enjoyment you get out of your objects.

[hidden crest]

haha i was trolling, i got my set ordered already

[wispy trellis]

rest value usage length fitting insideyour other needs

[icy cosmos]

You’re obviously not a car guy. Majority of car guys spend more money on tuning and modifications of their car then the cost of buying a car. Myself included😅

[wispy trellis]

true .. tesla model y because its good family car and fast:P

[icy cosmos]

Depending on your needs, EV are losing value way quicker than combustion vehicles. For A-B on leasing it’s great.

[jade widget]

i got mine too now all I have to do is wait

[wispy trellis]

leesing is always less efficient than just simply buying and selling - alass if you hafe the money for that

[hidden crest]

its funny im use to waiting on the keycaps haha

never did group buys for KB tho before wootings

[jade widget]

I'd like to get a proper custom, just waiting for one that I really like

[icy cosmos]

That’s the rule of thumb. But depending on your situation leasing is gives you a option to bailout. Look at all the Porsche Tycan losing more than 30-40k€ on retail price.

[wispy trellis]

i don't need to look faar my tesly was reduced in price from 55 to 40 than i bouth all the other guys would haf ebeen happy to lease nstead of buying for 55..

[livid schooner]

Oh, are we discussing EVs, people's incomes and spending habits?

[icy cosmos]

Its more about you are free to blow you money on you hobbies 🤣

What ever you fancy

[fallen epoch]

Eat money

[livid schooner]

If you're single, you own your house and have no debts and loans, you can do whatever

[midnight iron]

Owning a house and having no debts or loans is likely almost no one

gotta be s tier baller for that

[livid schooner]

ummm.... raises hand

[midnight iron]

no mortgage?

[livid schooner]

inheritance... nothing to brag about, but it is what it is

[midnight iron]

yeah that puts you into the incredibly small percentage of folks

[wispy trellis]

either inheritnce or lottery life is like that currently .- or gettingg lucky and hafing a good busdiness idee like wooting founders:P

[midnight iron]

even a lot of rich people don't buy in cash because they can take advantage of good rates and get more back via other means

[livid schooner]

but when ppl think inheritance they think like mega mansion or something, I just have a plain house.

[pseudo parrot]

they could have launched half baked products with bad software and whatever else though. choosing not to is also big reason for their success imo

[wispy trellis]

that's what i did with my car 2% interest why woiuld i use cash in that case i can take stock or even normal interestrate from the bank and get 3..

[wispy trellis]

HAving a AWSOME product mostly

[pseudo parrot]

yep

[fallen epoch]

TwoHE is peak

[midnight iron]

heck it's 4-5% in some super safe categories like bonds

[wispy trellis]

actually i remember reading the start of wooting and i was like "yeah idees good but they will not manage to handle the rest" oh boy was i wrong 😛

[wispy trellis]

that's what ppl who stopped buying houses don't get intrst rate is still under 4% that's still very very low and ppl are like NAH im waiting till it's again 0,. something HAHA

[livid schooner]

Would it be justifiable to cut corners on some rarely used keys like F1-F12, Home, Delete by putting lower quality switches and keys there? Or would it just overcomplicate production?

[midnight iron]

some cheaper products already do that. Wooting doesn't though and i doubt will ever want to do that because their goal is to make the best keyboard

[livid schooner]

I mean, I wouldn't mind paying a bit less if they did that 🙂

[midnight iron]

that's not really their goal though

they don't want to race to the bottom vs chinese brands that already cut corners

[pseudo parrot]

yeah i think they want to make good products that stand out

personally i like this approach

[midnight iron]

yeah there's already dozens of chinese versions that offer the cheaper parts and you'll never out 'cheap out' the chinese brands

like skimping on stabilizers, software etc

[wispy trellis]

actually that's not the way you save money - to complicated it costs more to change the processs of putting difrent ones n than using all the same for ne unit

[pseudo parrot]

theres an oem pcb for hall effect boards as well, i think some manufacturers use it. nice that wooting designs their own

[livid schooner]

Me too, don't get me wrong - I love high quality products and I absolutely despise the lower quality crap I'm sometimes forced to buy. But there's sometimes reasonable ways to cut some corners without sacrificing quality. But hey, maybe some ppl use ALL keys quite often.

[livid schooner]

I figured... Maybe on a very large scale this would work though.

[midnight iron]

they might honestly lose money and customers if they chose to cut those corners

people buy wooting because it's the best and because they put their effort into all those non cut corners

[fallen epoch]

i like experimenting with my two he for getting the most use of my keys

[wispy trellis]

not even then ^^ buying switches in big batches make them super cheap they don't give you extr switches as bonus for nothing..-- for them they are cheap to give and you get something wich would be expensive to buy

[livid schooner]

Coca Cola for example made their alu cans by a fraction of a millimetre thinner and they saved a lot

[midnight iron]

i'd honestly not buy wooting if they started doing stuff like that

[pseudo parrot]

yea same

[midnight iron]

literally the only reason a lot of people buy wooting is because they don't cheap out and you get the top product they can make

the moment they start going down the cheaping out route like that then why would I buy wooting over the 50 other brands with the same thing

[pseudo parrot]

to me wooting is the only one that stands out, other companies dont seem too friendly in regards to opening up the board and customizing etc either

[livid schooner]

"cutting corners" is a bad expression... "Optimisation" is more suitable. But putting lower quality switches in rarely used keys would be the former, I guess.

[merry spoke]

the f1-f12 rows are immensely useful for programs that aren't video games

so if someone wants to use the keyboard for gaming and office work then they won't be screwed over

[wispy trellis]

i usaly find the most use in them to bind to my 14keys mouse and use them in all games as keys because they easy bind and are not used for something else 😉 all respekt to fkeys

[midnight iron]

i assume they're optimizing as they go, but more towards better quality than trying to cut costs

[wispy trellis]

in woindows theough they are media or shortcut keys.. you know what most ppl use 300€ stemadecks for... HAHA

[nova nexus]

The lowest hanging fruit way to achieve these kinds of savings through continuous improvement and process optimization is by looking more critically at the logistics process; optimizing shipping boxes, freight shipments, fulfillment strategies, sku creep, second hand sales for repaired RMA and returns

[real gulch]

giving them all away for free to save on payment processing costs

[livid schooner]

Introduce "Pick up from the warehouse" option. I wonder how many would use it 🙂

[nova nexus]

The last couple years we've taken a bit of a Silicon valley tech bro approach to company development; growth and scaling being more important than operational efficiency. The perception is that Wooting keyboards are perpetually difficult to purchase, despite the fact that the 60HE has been in stock for almost two months. That perception costs a hell of a lot more than any incremental gains

[nova nexus]

Not our warehouse, not our choice. If it was our warehouse, still wouldn't want that, you do not want the general public trying to navigate a warehouse where there are trucks driving everywhere

[wispy trellis]

i bet you would be surprise how many are unintelly willing to pay 30% more just to get it from wallmart amazon or mediamarkt.. instead of ording from one page sad and scary for me

[nova nexus]

Fuck Amazon

They can't even keep Amazon pay operation, not going to hand over the health of the company to their machinations

[pseudo parrot]

i like my local stores a lot more than amazon, maaybe one day wooting will sell there haha

[small rune]

Anyone knows the front height of 80he?

[pseudo parrot]

but either way im fine with wooting.io just want VOEC

[nova nexus]

As for Walmart... Too big of a player for now. One of our competitors has a huge chunk of their business solely dedicated to one customer. Imagine the power that customer has over them

[real gulch]

wooting in mediamarkt when

[toxic zephyr]

I bet the info page for the 80HE would

[livid schooner]

I want to be honest here... I was once one of those people who thought Wooting is a sketchy company and that there's a high probability I'd get scammed. But then I researched it, read the reviews, etc. and here I am waiting for my pre-ordered 80he... Building reputation is tough... When ppl see an item on Amazon or Walmart they assume the platform as a guarantee of some sorts.

[red heart]

to me, something does not look more trustworthy on amazon than outside

[wispy trellis]

well it actually is i can buy toiletpayper by amazion use it and send it back because i don't like the texture 😛 (overstating but you get it)

[red heart]

amazon is so full of garbage and scams, i try to avoid using it if i can

[sleek pelican]

amazon makes things look more sketchy imo

[toxic zephyr]

yep seems like it's just a problem in regards to your perception of amazon and e-commerce otherwise

[livid schooner]

Have you tried Temu?

[toxic zephyr]

I dunno if it's common to have that outlook, I certainly don't since I don't buy from amazon at all

[red heart]

i try to avoid amazon as much as i can

usually buy from the company directly or in person

sometimes theres no other option tho

[sleek pelican]

wooting at my local marketplace?

[red heart]

but i order online very rarely so its not that big of a problem

[small rune]

Couldn’t find it🥺

[livid schooner]

If you buy from Amazon and it is actually "sold and fulfilled by Amazon" it's a pretty safe purchase

[pseudo parrot]

i usually dont buy from amazon because most times i can get the same product for cheaper at a local store here

[toxic zephyr]

bruh

[red heart]

i was faster

[sleek pelican]

amazon is my last resort usually

[toxic zephyr]

I don't buy from amazon even when it is cheaper really, I just buy local when I can and domestic when I cannot... and in the case of having to purchase from another country entirely I just look up some store that sells the thing haha

[sleek pelican]

ditto

[pseudo parrot]

yeah amazon is always my last resort, other stores come before that and local ones always first

[nova nexus]

This is a valid perception; Amazon offers an additional layer of protection and of payment options. But it comes at a high, high cost

[livid schooner]

Yeah, that's a good strategy if you have decent local stores with good selection. I'm from Latvia, and my local stores have poor selection.

[pseudo parrot]

yea thats fair

[livid schooner]

Also, I just love pick-up stations... Pick your package whenever you want, no need to confirm your presence with a courier, etc.

[sleek pelican]

amazon gives alot of wrong things when you buy something, not necessarily worse, but not the exact product advertised

[pseudo parrot]

i dont care about what company im buying from, i just want solid consumer rights, easy returns and such and local stores are unbeatable when it comes to that (in my case)

[wispy finch]

Huhhh

[small rune]

Thanks

[wispy finch]

I have a question

What is that reward of 77.5% what that means tho

[shell monolith]

The keyboard you preordered 😜

[pseudo parrot]

is a joke because the 80he is not 80% but actually 77.5%

[livid schooner]

There is that extra "Mode" key though 😄

[valid comet]

what does it even do

[pseudo parrot]

switches between last used analog profile and digital profile

[valid comet]

oh I see

[toxic zephyr]

or you know, anything you want it to do...

mine will just be an F13

[buoyant solstice]

My F13 key runs a script that plays quack.wav

https://www.myinstants.com/en/instant/mac-quack-83896/

[icy cosmos]

Exploring options and not being afraid of changing is key to growth. Apple playbook is solid. Look at all those options you can get for one order. Maxing out an Ipad at 4k€ is both crazy and genius 🤣

[wispy trellis]

i once hat THIS BEAST of a keyboard -horrible thing HAHA and now adays i wonder the use of a F13.. imagine the uselessness of G1-G18 ^^ and that frankensteined on with plastik on metall

[valid comet]

must have been a flagship

[wispy trellis]

FIRST RGB keyboard 😉

bevore that all keyboards mostly had single color

[valid comet]

also I just realized

[valid comet]

this is per key

[wispy trellis]

the woerst part was corsair changed their logo shortly bevor the lounch AND it was a desaster they had horrible customer feedback because of that

[fast pilot]

Offer: i get any wooting keyboard exept uwu wooting after u buy a better model/keyboard
U get: my Logitech G715 + 10 bucks

[wispy trellis]

Corsair Gaming - Petition against new "tramp stamp" logo was big news

[valid comet]

a speed silver has an actuation of 1.2mm and a travel of 3.4mm, with a 45g spring.

you could almost replicate it with a jade switch and L45 spring

the only difference would be the HE and 3.5mm

[wispy trellis]

you don't need to replicate it the charm of the he is simpy its superiority to fixed actuation points

i honestly assume its even good for typing since i often misstype because i dknt hit keys deep enugh

[valid comet]

i was saying you could almost

you dont have to

[wispy trellis]

well i could do manay things wich makes no sense but i don't find it worth mentioning

[tidal sleet]

Yo what, where is the f13 key and why is there just a full 3 lines of keys I've never heard before

[wispy trellis]

wooting mode key=F13 and G1-18 was my old keyboard

[oak jungle]

TF IS THIS LOL

[wispy trellis]

first RGB keyboard with separately controllable LEDs ^^ it was the woerst keyboard i ever owned right next to a keychron K4

[frail ginkgo]

the white zinc version is finalized?

[wispy trellis]

y

[oak jungle]

row or white ?

[frail ginkgo]

white

[oak jungle]

which one looks clean

[limpid flare]

anyone know if there will be magnetic waves keycaps for the 80he as well :d

[frail ginkgo]

is there like pictures of it?

[oak jungle]

let me see

on their website not that clear image unfortunately

[frail ginkgo]

last time I seen it in a video it had some problems so I was waiting for an update for that

[oak jungle]

yeah not the final I think they fix it

I'll order white or row after I see ppl sharing their cases

[frail ginkgo]

I already pre-ordered it during the founders event

[oak jungle]

white right ?

[frail ginkgo]

yes white zinc

[oak jungle]

you will get yours in aug ?

[frail ginkgo]

it seems that way

[oak jungle]

I hope you like the case and share it her coz I need to see how the white looks

[frail ginkgo]

for sure

[wispy trellis]

for me it looked super clean

im still wished they would hafe done the same with the black it looks more raw to me but how knows in hand..

[toxic zephyr]

friend have you heard about our lord and saviour the V key

[wispy trellis]

HAHAH thanks i try to learn the mighty V in fact i think i already HAFVE

[toxic zephyr]

[shell monolith]

v+v=w quick maths fam

[valid comet]

double v

[fast pilot]

module wooting for 90 dollars

or my Logitech G715 for it gotta negociate for that tho

[shrewd saddle]

i used the same one. lol corsair lol

[valid comet]

steal!

[faint storm]

Hello Guy I bought wooting_80he , looking for good keycaps from AliExpress, Any recommandations?

[wispy trellis]

not buying ali 😉

[faint storm]

Alright but Where?🙂‍↔️

[wispy trellis]

can't say not from oyur coutntry 😛 try some sets around 70€ with that amunt of money you will get nice results but don't spent too much i mean you can buy gmk if money isn't a issue but only than 😛

[verbal solar]

What kind of cable is actually included with the Wooting 80HE?

[buoyant solstice]

A 2m USB C to USB C cable with an adaptor for A.

You know - What the 80HE product page says 😄

[merry wagon]

Is the September estimate a lower bound?

or is it possible for some development in the future to expedite the production process (copium)

[hollow pike]

[hushed pier]

I've ordered through KBDFans, MyKeyboard.eu (don't order from these guys anymore), Divinikey as well as MaxGaming.dk

Anywhere which is somewhat of a reputable store should be perfect, as long as you order a kit which fits at least a TKL (80%), you're more or less good to go for the Wooting 80HE

[merry wagon]

I ordered some keycaps from aliexpress

[hushed pier]

I can't talk from experince, but I wouldn't trust a vendor on Aliexpress to deliver legit keycaps

If you find any that are legit, that's cool for you :P

[merry wagon]

we'll see lol

[buoyant solstice]

Fairly copium. Might shift by a week in your favour, might shift a month in the other way 😄

[merry wagon]

[jade widget]

https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list/

[valid comet]

yknow the switch keychain from KBDfans? does it work with KS-20 OR 37 switches? cause I will have leftovers, i dont have mechanicals 😂

[steady escarp]

I think it’ll fit

Only one way to be sure tho but I don’t see why not

[surreal ridge]

Hey folks, new orderer or the 80he and just curious, will it be possible to change actuation distance with a shortcut. it’d be cool to have a typing vs gaming actuation easily toggleable

[glad fable]

I think having 2 profiles to switch back and forth with should work like this

[wheat basin]

Tbh i don’t understand the difference between very expensive and cheap keycaps

Isn’t it the same? Espcially when the price range is already 30-40$ ish for keycaps

[wispy trellis]

cheap and mostly not worth the moneys except of some awsome clones (20-30) medium where yoiu can get cheap ones as although good ones (30-50) really nice ones with high quality start at 60-90 and then there is GMK 160++.. wich is ABS and can get shiny at some point but very high quality abs..

[clear swallow]

Still struggling with keycaps honestly, rly want to use my Akko ones

[daring axle]

i have recent experience with this actually, i had a set of Domikey hi-fi foxes on my keychron (it was like a $165 set or something like that i forget) and switched to a set i got off Amazoom for like $30. the foxes felt really good all around and sounded pretty good. the new ones are a decent bit more clacky and the spacebar mold doesnt quite sit in the stabs right and so it has some wobble

[wheat basin]

Does it justify the $135 price increase though

[daring axle]

it depends. custom keyboards are aluxury item, lets be real about it. nothing is going to justify the cost in terms of practicality or function.

[lime aspen]

to my knowledge a lot of expensive keycaps also partially get their price because the people making them are actually getting paid a fair salary

[wheat basin]

I see, so tldr its more of a “want” then a “need” to have kind of thing

[daring axle]

very much so. just like you dont "need" a wooting but you get one because its nice. you can get a perfectly good keeb for like $60 but we all just spent $200+ on an 80HE

and like night said, between pay rates for employees and QC the more expensive ones are generally from more ethical companies qith higher quality so you spend more money on higher quality luxury stuff when you can afford it

[lime aspen]

yeah like gmk specifically has really high standards for their legends consistency and overall QC of the molds

they toss a lot of sets/keycaps out because they dont fit standards and they obviously need to make up for that loss

[daring axle]

which is crazy to me becasuse they could totally sell them as a discount as "blemished"

[lime aspen]

like it doesnt justify the price to me, i wont buy them. but i get it

[daring axle]

i might at some point get a set. it just becomes for me the perspective of "will i die or truly suffer if i dont buy this thing?" if the answer is no then ill get it when i have the extra money and i dont mind spending extra money on something like that. but its not necessary for me to have so its not a priority.

[lime aspen]

for me i just cant justify 100+ usd for keycaps

gonna pickup some pbtfans BoW those will more than likely be my end game expensive keycaps

unless pbtfans xray is a continuous production

then ill pick some of those up eventually

[daring axle]

thats totally fair.

i never thought id spend any more money on a keyboard than whatever a basic Razer keyboard cost at the time, but here i am having spent wayy too much money on a zinc Wooting.

[wheat basin]

Like for me a wooting is a completely different thing compared to keycaps. For keyboard you get features like rapid trigger, etc compared to digital mechanical keyboards but for keycaps its like if you compare a $60 and a $250 keycap set the overally use case of it is still the same no matter the price

Like i can’t justify extra $100 for better paint? and print fonts?

[jade widget]

Well at the end of the day that decision is up to you

[fossil lagoon]

ok I know I asked this before but I gotta ask, are the other keyboards gonna get rappy snappy too? or is it just the 80HE? I may or may not make a poor financial decision lol

[jade widget]

Yes they will also get rappy snappy

[fossil lagoon]

hm ok

even the Two HE?

[jade widget]

Yup, as long as it's not one of the older models with flaretech switches

[fossil lagoon]

interesting

I'm just thinking about getting the 80HE because this is like the peak of all of wooting when it comes to keyboards

even tho I got the Two HE

but this just looks so good with all the upgrades

[wheat basin]

Your just getting a smaller sized keyboard of the one you currently have

I’d say two he is already peak

As long as it got the rapid trigger func and the tacheyon thing i’d say any of the keebs are good

[fossil lagoon]

I mean that is true, the 60HE is just really small and since it's tiny it's good for competitive stuff but the 80HE is the best of both worlds

and I'm not joking but my numb pad for my Two HE has dust on it

[lime aspen]

80he is more customizable

[jade widget]

Gasket mount and lekker v2s should be a nice upgrade in sound/feel. Performance wise there's not gonna be much difference

[lime aspen]

There are multiple case options for it, unlike the two he

[lime aspen]

But muh polling rate!!!!

[fast pilot]

In romania wooting keyboards arent really popular

[jade widget]

it's a relatively small keyboard brand I can't imagine it's in the top 5 brands for keyboards anywhere

anecdotally I'm the only person in my "real life" friend group who owns a wooting most of them probably aren't even aware they exist

[midnight iron]

Yep. Unless you specifically play a lot of the games that wootings are popular in then you likely have no idea about he boards or wooting

[valid comet]

wooting numpad when

[buoyant jacinth]

Let's take things one step at a time, 80HE first

[fast pilot]

so sad that nobody mentions wooting 60he in top 10 reviews

[fast pilot]

wooting two he

discount wooting 60he by 0.5% frfr

dk what 5 lei will do but yes

[elfin dock]

Because Wooting hasn't paid them off yet.

[fast pilot]

yahaha

they all say steelseries tkl best

[shrewd saddle]

Define nobody…

[fast pilot]

youtubers

[livid schooner]

Oh no, Wooting is slowly catching their attention. Ofc all it takes is for LTT to make one video and the popularity would go through the roof.

[jade widget]

LTT did make a video it was just terrible

[livid schooner]

Did they? Wow, that slipped by me somehow.

[jade widget]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8Us8iocRh4

can check out the comments

[elfin dock]

They make it so hard to want to click on their videos when they have these fake unenthusiastic soyjak faces on every damn thumbnail.

So little self respect.

[pastel edge]

it's meta, they do it for money

[sullen iris]

Gone are the days when you sold your soul to the Devil. Now you sell it to the Meta?

[pastel edge]

yes, now you sell it to the youtube meta

pacts like that used to be signed in blood, now they are signed in soyface and red circle/arrow

[wind tiger]

Multiple times already

They looked at the two he before but because plouffe could not figure out how to set it up (he used the wrong softwqre iirc) he claimed it wouldn't work properly

[jade widget]

the glossing over rapid trigger like it was only good for games that have button mashing like quick time event games

[spark heart]

wheres the livestream for this weekend?

[buoyant solstice]

It was yesterday.

#👀│youtube_updates message

[spark heart]

is there a video somwhere that i could watch?

thanks

[ashen pond]

It's Sunday

[buoyant solstice]

Weekends move too fast

[wheat basin]

Yeah

https://tenor.com/view/404soob-pepe-pp-gif-21552696

[fast pilot]

Omg somebody actually agrees that Rgb is useless

(Wooting)

[oak jungle]

good to have not most to have

[fast pilot]

Oh cmon dawg how does rgb improve u

Exept for seeing in the dark