🌟│wooting80he

[buoyant solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-fuzz-shame-gif-26273082

[cunning gust]

A blue/purple frosted one would probably be cool too

Doubt it's worth making a ton of random colors though

[toxic zephyr]

I still entertain the idea that they will make some plastic cases in fun colors in the future

[cunning gust]

I could see some limited runs yeah

Not really any reason not to

[toxic zephyr]

depends a little

[buoyant solstice]

Limited runs is definitely something we've discussed. It would probably be a group buy interest check kind of thing. Basically pre-orders, that only charge if enough folks jump in.

Or maybe an influencer wants a special edition with their branding - That seems to be gaining popularity in the keyboard market.

[umbral locust]

Please don't give influencers any more clout

it's already getting to their head lol

[red heart]

yeah

give me the clout instead

[valid comet]

i agree not really a fan of influencer drops

[umbral locust]

I would have to get payed to use a special branded keyboard for an influencer, don't see why I would pay to market for them.

[bronze badge]

Is Lekker 60/45 V2 Better than Gateron Jades, or are the Jades better?

[buoyant solstice]

Guess we'll find out... when they come out

[bronze badge]

Ah, they didn't yet

[umbral locust]

Depends on whats appealing to you about jades.

I like thet they are closed bottom. No matter how good V2s are, they arent' close bottom, so I will be using Jades.

[bronze badge]

They Jades are more high-pitched, and the V2s are more lower-pitched, correct?

[umbral locust]

Jades are louder too.

[bronze badge]

Does the closed bottom make the Jades more responsive?

[umbral locust]

No, it's just a feel thing. I like how it feels.

[bronze badge]

Louder in a clacky way or in a good way?

[umbral locust]

Weird question.

It's just louder. I personally hate how jades sound. I just like how they feel.

[bronze badge]

Ah

Ill go do some research, thanks for the opinion tho!

[fickle flint]

I'm getting more and more unsure about which switch to use.

[cunning gust]

Make your own

[tight cliff]

Yeah, build a switch

[valid comet]

is it the lack of stem wobble? why jade feeling in particular?

[umbral locust]

Stem wobble is overrated

I just like the bottom out feel of a closed bottom housing

[tight cliff]

Should get the ghost case to match the current numpad i've got

[umbral locust]

You really should have, damn

[tight cliff]

Would be nice to get a RAW numpad

[umbral locust]

What numpad is this

[unborn drum]

Don't know if the Wooting team also have a look at this to take note of suggestions and user feedback.

To keep it short: since I do code for work and game quite a bit, I nearly bought the 80HE in black zinc alloy. It was going to be the only keyboard probably till my funeral... But sadly, because of only 3 missing keys (well maybe only 2, but home/end are important at that) it won't happen.

Will possibly be the 60HE until hopefully a 'standard' TKL gets released.

[buoyant solstice]

#1141096226884956181 is the go to place.

Also you get all of the keycaps for the home cluster. You grab the ones you want and rebind accordingly to base layer and FN layers as necessary (just like on the 60HE)

[unborn drum]

Thanks @buoyant solstice should I copy paste it there? I would like to comment on your suggestions about rebinding and so on

[buoyant solstice]

Sure - Lay out isn't going to change on the 80HE though.

[unborn drum]

Alright, thanks.

[tight cliff]

Epomaker K1, sadly not hot-swappable which it said when i ordered from Amazon waay back lol

[umbral locust]

Hopefully wooting make one soon

[unborn drum]

@buoyant solstice sorry, I thought the feedback channel was an open discussion too -- only wanted to say, about the rebinding... I just saw, that you actually have 6 'special keys' on the wooting 80he, that could actually work, if I can rebind them, since I don't ever use the "print screen" or "pause" buttons, I guess I can put Home/End on them...

I just sent the second email to [e-mail] -- I got a bot reply at first, but after that nothing, don't know if you're too busy or it got lost

[buoyant solstice]

Don't misunderstand. Feedback is feedback - I was merely pointing out that the 80HE is locked in place. It isn't changing 😄

[unborn drum]

Sure, I got that

I didn't knew about rebinding, never been into custom keyboards or anything... I got basically interested because of the rapid trigger mainly

[grave umbra]

The Wooting keyboards allow you to bind keys to multiple different things when the fn key is pressed. what most people did with the 60he was binding some keys in the bottom right to become arrow keys on top of their normal functions

[crystal locust]

cant wait to pair this 80he with my viper v3 pro in august

[pastel hare]

[unborn drum]

Yeah, but there are certain keys where pressing Fn+something isn't really an option since you're using the key A LOT while coding. But anyway, as another user suggested, I can switch the print screen and pause that I never use for home/end, so problem solved.

Now I only need an email reply from Wooting to have a clear answer about a tax issue. Hopefully I can order the 80HE ASAP. Thanks!

[buoyant solstice]

Tax issue?

[unborn drum]

Hi @buoyant solstice, yeah, I live on the Canary Islands, we ARE Spain, but because of the remote situation we don't pay EU VAT, but we pay the taxes when the package arrives at customs. There's an official website from Brussels that explains this. Don't know if link posting is allowed here.

[buoyant solstice]

Ah yes - Canary islands. You're charged EU VAT on checkout, because the store doesn't understand these kind of ... weird exclusion zones.

You'd have to email us after the fact to recoup the VAT iirc

[unborn drum]

If I can get this reply without the "iirc" I'll be happy to do so hahaha

[nova nexus]

If you paid tax at the time of purchase and were required to pay additional taxes at the time of import, if you provide us with the documentation of the taxes paid at import, we can refund the tax paid at purchase.

[dreamy sedge]

baught a dav3 and im thinking about letting it in the box until her big brother comes home

[unborn drum]

Oh, that's great. Thank you so much! Off I go 😁

[hushed yew]

see u in late august UWU

[gusty prism]

late july wanna cry

[fiery lagoon]

hi, little question I saw that the rappy snappy tech will be added to the wooting 60HE, that mean it will be added when the wooting 80HE will be released for everyone or later ?

[buoyant solstice]

Earlier.

[fiery lagoon]

oh cool thx for the fast answer 😁

[sudden fable]

if i preorder the wooting 80 he i get some new roles and if yes how can i have it?

[buoyant solstice]

You...you already did

[sudden fable]

[cunning gust]

is the zinc case magnetic? I was wondering if i could throw some magnets in the wrist rest

the steelseries HE board does it for their wrist rest, works well

[rain zodiac]

idk if its pure zinc tho

maybe

[merry ermine]

heard its gonna be heavy asf

[umbral locust]

They state the weight on the website

[modern sail]

Will the 80HE module include the same stuff in the 60HE module? I.e the silicon sandwich pad etc.

[umbral locust]

The website has an image of all the parts 🙂

[modern sail]

can't seem to find it, I can only find the picture of the parts in the normal 80HE

I'm just refering to the stand alone module you can get

[lapis galleon]

probably not, also that would probably mess with the hall effect sensors

[umbral locust]

It will have everything except the case

[buoyant solstice]

The module has the exact same contents as the prebuilt save for switches and keycaps.

[cedar hound]

If I bought the module with all the bells and whistles, do I still get "all of the keycaps for the home cluster"? Also, does that include "end" and "pos1"? I got the "Wooting PBT Keycaps" in my order for the 80HE, am I right to assume you just get all the keycaps a two HE would have?

[buoyant solstice]

If you bought an 80HE with any kind of keycaps selected, you get them.

[cedar hound]

Weird that on the German layout the N key has the µ symbol instead of the M key, considering it's called "mu" and not "nu". I've only seen it on M so far and your Nordic layout seems to have it on M as well.

[buoyant solstice]

µ is on m

[cedar hound]

Is the image incorrect then?

[buoyant solstice]

That's German. I am Nordic 😄

I'd have to ask @upbeat berry about that.

[cedar hound]

I thought you meant that as "its gonna be on M as well"

Ok

[verbal solar]

5.2

[buoyant solstice]

Seems to be a render mistake. It is on M on the regular keycap renders

[verbal solar]

How many more days to arrive?

[buoyant solstice]

Months

[verbal solar]

now 5.2

[cedar hound]

Do you have a full image of this? I was curious about splitting Alt and Ctrl, we usually have Alt Gr for that, which I can see on your version of the image too, but then what keys are to the right of that

[buoyant solstice]

https://wooting.io/product/wooting-double-shot-pbt-backlit-keycap-set-just-black?Language=ISO+German&Color=Just+Black

[cedar hound]

Right, I didnt even get a preassembled one, I could've figured that myself now that I think about it. I hope it was actually a render mistake so that preassembled Germans won't be surprised

Thanks for the help

[upbeat berry]

thats not where µ is on a german keyboard. i assume the render is wrong as we have correct german keycaps as far as im aware

im also extra sure since the | is on left shift somehow

[cedar hound]

Wow I didnt even notice that, and yeah, also simply Alt instead of Alt Gr (Ctrl+Alt key)

But that doesn't seem to be part of the keycap set either

I'm guessing the right Alt Key will be mapped to Alt+Ctrl by default like on all German Keyboards? If not, I can also map key combinations to a key, right?

[upbeat berry]

thats a windows thing

[lucid karma]

Fn on the right is slightly pain as a Mac user tbh. Though if you can toggle fn layers that could fix it, was toggling fn ever fixed for layers?

[upbeat berry]

so in general right alt will be AltGr on languages that have an AltGr layer and windows also emulates ctrl+alt to come out as right alt/altgr for those layouts

and the image is indeed wrong

[cedar hound]

But the key will say Alt instead of Alt Gr in the German Layout Keycap set, like on the image? So that image is correct? (The image from Mansen's Link)

[upbeat berry]

ye mansens link has the right images for the keycap sets

[hidden field]

grabbed 90 jades for $45 yay

[crystal locust]

The video from 5 days ago with the different combinations of looks was cool

Is PCR Frost case available?

[buoyant solstice]

Always has been

[verbal solar]

mansen look

😂

[buoyant solstice]

[verbal solar]

what is this

[buoyant solstice]

A Chinese brand ripping off our keyboard packaging.

[icy cosmos]

Over there’s called inspired by 😅

[buoyant solstice]

They wish. There's still laws in China.

[verbal solar]

look more wait

🤣🤣🤣

[buoyant solstice]

There's also an even more blatant knockoff called the... there it is. The Looting.

[verbal solar]

why not sue them

im wooting
no，im

[fickle flint]

[verbal solar]

mansen do you plan to make a mouse in the future

rt mouse

[icy cosmos]

It took Nike / Jordan brand 20 years to win at the China Supreme Court against Qiaodan. I can only wish you the best of luck

[buoyant solstice]

China has changed a lot since then - I also never said we were suing anyone either. But it has become a lot easier in recent years, because China knows it has to enforce western brand claims, if they want to retain them.

[verbal solar]

mansen Are you angry?

[buoyant solstice]

Hmm? No? I'm eating lunch 😄

https://tenor.com/view/pizza-duck-gif-8158518

[jade widget]

just a sign of a good product when someone in china yoinks it for themselves

[verbal solar]

mansen Why don't you open a channel in bilibili

[buoyant solstice]

I work in customer support. Marketing isn't my area (nor do I speak Mandarin to save my life) 😄

[verbal solar]

👌

[icy cosmos]

Sorry to disturb your lunch. - Let us review that when the 80HE comes out. The problem with fake/ unauthorized/ B grade is huge in China and people are getting scammed. Brands has done a lot of things to try to secure a authenticity purchanse. Just as Hopperbus says. When something copy your stuff. You have reached a huge respect in brand value.

[nova nexus]

Whether or not we have or intend to take legal actions against copy cats won't be something we share publicly, but we do certainly take these concerns seriously.

[cunning gust]

Zooting 80hg already out on AliExpress

[zealous oak]

Surprised there is no "Mooting" yet, or maybe yes but I haven't seen that

https://tenor.com/view/cow-wig-gif-19175049

[buoyant solstice]

Prime cuts only

[cunning gust]

I would buy

[shell monolith]

Cows are such cute and handsome animals

[cunning gust]

Tasty too

[shell monolith]

Hehee

[wispy trellis]

i actualy wondering why the 80HE has nothing realy unique to it like the strap of the 60; you know some small thing wich makes it clear; but oh well not that i need a strap its just such a wooting thing wich i expected

[cunning gust]

The layout is unique

[jade widget]

lightbar

[wispy trellis]

neither of them is unique

the strap actualy was super unique

[ebon sluice]

The strap would look goofy on a bigger keyboard, it'd be like wearing a cowboy hat to your wedding

[jade widget]

yeah the strap was cool but it's been in the box pretty much since i got it because i case swapped

[buoyant solstice]

[cunning gust]

Strap was just goofy

[buoyant solstice]

Goofy but beloved.

[nova nexus]

We're a fan of Goofy around here

[jade widget]

https://tenor.com/view/that-ass-goofy-smug-hubbahubba-gif-21183895

[bleak parcel]

i wish they made a version of the 80HE with a strap

[cunning gust]

#nostrap

[buoyant solstice]

You'd have to make your own case for that unfortunately.

[red heart]

if you have a drill and are really determined you can do it with the stock case

[bleak parcel]

i have neither a drill nor the will to put holes in my new keyboard LOL

[verbal solar]

taday 5.2

what time

[buoyant solstice]

. . . what

[sand nexus]

today carajo falta como 25 dias

[verbal solar]

Do you also use your own keyboards when you work like wooting two？

[buoyant solstice]

Most staff use one of our keyboards. I've used my 60HE since they came out.

[cunning gust]

Didn't even get an early one, injustice tbh

[high whale]

80He is gasket mount, so none of those required

[hybrid birch]

will french PBT keycaps release before 80he gets delivered?

[nova nexus]

No

[steady fable]

What’s the latest news of when the 80 comes out? I ordered mine about a month and a half ago. Curious what the latest updates are.

[buoyant solstice]

The initial dates haven't changed

https://hub.wooting.io/my/account

[steady fable]

Appreciate it. I didn’t realise I could check the website like a dummy. 😂 says July for me. Can’t wait! 👍

[buoyant solstice]

[upbeat berry]

its corrected now

[cedar hound]

Yeah looks exactly like I would've expected now, thanks to whomever fixed it

[hybrid birch]

[true mirage]

3 months and counting

[high plume]

can we pre order the wooting 80he ?

[buoyant solstice]

Yes?

[cunning gust]

Can we preorder the 85he yet?

[oak crater]

why was my order delayed?

it now says august

[red heart]

always said august for me

[oak crater]

mine said july

[ivory pagoda]

75 he with the knob here yet?

[cunning gust]

No that's the 80HEK

Launches in 6 years

[muted dust]

Mine used to say July too but it was just a prediction, early August is what wooting has been hoping for. You will still be the first batch

[verbal solar]

where my wooting80

where ！

[buoyant solstice]

Somewhere in the future. Like... August or September probably.

[devout flare]

does anybody know or the 60he is going to get the 8k polling upgrade later on or is it 80he exclusive for a long time?

[buoyant solstice]

8khz would require a redesign of the keyboard. It is not a software update - and there are no plans to do so.

[devout flare]

so a 65HE is coming instead? :p

[wary adder]

yeah we need a 61 HE 62 HE 63 HE 64 HE too

[vapid storm]

no it's going to be 69HE

[devout flare]

jokingly asking but it would be an option for then seeing how a redesign would be needed to fit 8k on the 60HE, so a 65HE would seperate it from the 60HE and if you havent read the 8k polling announcement on the website, people are asking for a smaller keyboard than the 80HE that supports it

[verbal solar]

Mine just got shipped today

[cedar hound]

I guess something between 60 and 80 might be the next logical step anyways

[devout flare]

that is what i thought after he said a redesign would be needed for the 60HE, but people need to make fun of it😂

[cosmic dome]

I present to you.. the wooting 35HE

[vapid storm]

now put it away into the bin where it belongs

[cosmic dome]

Community: Do we have any smaller options?

Wish granted

[pseudo parrot]

If you want an even smaller device there’s the uwu

[gleaming raven]

am excite

[unborn drum]

The looting is kinda hilarious, despite the shamelessness

[verbal solar]

Hey that’s what I’m using until my wooting arrives lol

[runic mesa]

L60 or L45, thoughts?

[buoyant solstice]

60 or 80 any day

[umbral locust]

60s already too soft

[rain zodiac]

l45 and jade >

[humble cargo]

gross

[wet star]

meow

[verbal solar]

masen do u sleeping？

[dense ledge]

is there any difference of when i'll get the keyboard if i pre-order it rn or in july ?

[umbral locust]

The sooner you order, the sooner you wil lget it.

[wet star]

chat is this real?

[jade widget]

i mean it comes out in batches, so when each batch sells out you'll be put on the next batch

we're still on batch 2 rn and it should have quite a few spots but couldn't gurantee those won't sell out by July

[cedar hound]

Have there ever been any changes to the LEDs of the keyboard's background lighting in comparison to older keyboard variants of yours? I'm mainly interested in the color temperature of the white lighting. Will there be a preview of the lighting for the 80HE or is it simply the same as 60HE?

[verbal solar]

so is rappy snappy only for the 80he?

[subtle saffron]

Don't think so

it will be on 60he too

[lone garden]

no rappy snappy will be a software update for the 60he and 2he i think

[verbal solar]

I'm pretty set for the 60he because i cant with the size of the 80he but that feature is making me hesitate

oh cool, thx guys

[subtle saffron]

Well it's coming so nothing to worry about

[jade widget]

yeah it will actually come out on the 60he before the 80he even comes out so no need to worry

[verbal solar]

ya'll thinking modding a wotting is worth? like key switching or sound mods?

[jade widget]

if you care about sound and type feel yeah it's worth it

[subtle saffron]

Does it really sound that different

When I watch YouTube vids I barely hear a difference

[umbral locust]

In person? Different boards sound different, but one or two mods won't relaly change a lot.

[verbal solar]

we'll i have a history of modding keyboard, its just i dont want to mess anything up in the competitive field of things

[umbral locust]

At the end of a day, a keyboard sounds like a keyboard, if you aren't interested, you aren't missing out.

[subtle saffron]

Watch wootings modding videos

[verbal solar]

oh smart

[subtle saffron]

They teach you how to not mess it up

[deft sigil]

YOUR CHEATTING

MINE GOT PUSHED BACK TO AUGUST TOO BRO

😭

[jade widget]

https://youtu.be/YpZmuPi_tic?t=209 pretty noticeable difference changing the switches

[subtle saffron]

i meant everything expect switches lmao

[jade widget]

even then there's a pretty big difference https://youtu.be/7qAVPhI9siA?t=289

[subtle saffron]

alr ill check it out

[umbral locust]

avoid sticky rice

WS dashes are fine (they are just jades)

[jade widget]

yeah they sound worse anyway imo

although im saving my money and just gonna use my lekker v2s

[umbral locust]

Even the V1s are perfectly good

not bad switches by any means

[jade widget]

they're alright but I would like less wobble which is what the v2's address

[umbral locust]

fair

[cursive lily]

When is it gonna be in production

[bleak vale]

in august

[cursive lily]

so they gonna start making it in aug

damn so next year then can deliver :/ what i do now with my broken keyboard

[meager quail]

nah its suppost to arrive like june/july to thier warehouse

[cursive lily]

oh

[meager quail]

depends on the batch tho my delivery estimate is late august

[cursive lily]

cuz the other guy said production in aug lol

[meager quail]

when you ordered there was estimate on delivery so it suppost to arrive on that date

unless there is big delay

its around 4M tho still alot

[cursive lily]

Ight

[lunar dragon]

So, no updates this week?

[nova nexus]

Livestream in a few hours 🙂

[cursive lily]

A few more months before I can use a working keyboard 😭😭

[jolly tangle]

question 1 where are the new cables and keycaps

[nova nexus]

Yes

[jolly tangle]

question 2 why are you so lazy

[nova nexus]

[jolly tangle]

[nova nexus]

New cables and new keycaps are at the fulfillment centers, along with the new spring packs

[jolly tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/vibe-check-lime-boombox-gif-15271265

[nova nexus]

First orders were shipped to the marketing team to take product pictures and prepare video content

Once that's done, then we go live

[buoyant solstice]

Can confirm. My L80 springs shipped earlier today

[upbeat berry]

mansen is marketing?

[buoyant solstice]

Hey now - That's no way to treat a paying customer. Insulting me like that

[nova nexus]

No Mansen used his superpowers to create an order for products that weren't live on the storefront yet 😛

[upbeat berry]

smh

[cursive lily]

They already started the mass production of the switches?

[buoyant solstice]

No one said switches? 🙂

[cursive lily]

Nvm

I’m sick so I’m reading incorrectly

[jade widget]

hey me too picked up a headcold 🤧

[meager quail]

l80 springs you guys crazy

[nova nexus]

(There's L100s too)

[meager quail]

gonna make muscles while playing

[zealous oak]

Fingers like Arnorld's biceps

[nova nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/strong-fingers-fingering-spongebob-gif-15962147

[buoyant solstice]

L45 are way, way too light for me. So I'm trying the opposite

[zealous oak]

where are the l80s?

[meager quail]

and the l60?

[buoyant solstice]

They only exist as loose springs.

[nova nexus]

Coming soon to a digital storefront near you

[zealous oak]

😅

[meager quail]

mb time for a software controlable force as next gen keyboards

[buoyant solstice]

Software can't change physics.

[meager quail]

some electrinics in the switch you know

one day mb

[buoyant solstice]

The springs have a physically different weight and pressure.

[high whale]

L100 weight springs for analog is going to be sick

[orchid wasp]

maybe im weird but i want springs lighter than the 45s

[zealous oak]

Not weird, just preference

[buoyant solstice]

L30 springs soft enough?

[jade widget]

when are we getting 1500g springs 🤔

[nova nexus]

Aren't they L35 Mansen?

[buoyant solstice]

[nova nexus]

Now I'm not sure

[buoyant solstice]

You are correct!

[orchid wasp]

perhaps, i use the wooting uwu for trackmania so having lighter switches makes it easier to control analogue steering i think (maybe im wrong)

when will these springs be buyable

[jade widget]

very soon

[orchid wasp]

are these magnetic

[jade widget]

no idea doesn't say

[orchid wasp]

hurry up and take my money wooting i want the 35g springs

[orchid wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/money-shutup-take-gif-7953571

[buoyant solstice]

Optional.

Compared to..?

The switches are all lubed. The springs are not.
So buying any pack of switches and swapping the spring to L35 would be like buying L35 switches if you will.

It's something some people choose to do, but it is not mandatory

[cunning gust]

They have 700 artisanal switch lubers working full time

Trained on Milan for six years before they can touch the brush

[buoyant solstice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN_-GYLTfpY
We made a video on lubing a while back. You can skip ahead to see how to open them up and all that - as well as the optional spring lube application.

[jade widget]

can also just bag lube them all at the same time if you're lazy like me but still want lubed springs

[buoyant solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/regular-show-rigby-disgust-disgusted-monyetguru-gif-27024755

[toxic zephyr]

if you don't like the crunching sound they make (which... they really do make) lubing gets rid of that

[ebon sluice]

the salad toss is the best way to lewb switches

[oak sigil]

guys

my wooting is in homestead, fl

it’s almost mine 😍

[cedar hound]

Do they sound different in videos because of external factors or are they not 1:1 identical? If so, what's the point in selling them in a different color

[formal hemlock]

the new 80he?

[cedar hound]

I spilled water on my current razer keyboard for the 2nd time this week but I have to wait until August to get mine

I guess it's a 60, but still

[toxic zephyr]

of course not the 80HE considering they haven't been manufactured yet

[jade widget]

it's just a recolour, no idea on why

[formal hemlock]

thats why my question 😄 couldnt believe that

[cedar hound]

I think Dashes sound so perfect in videos, but jades didnt really do it for me in the ones I've heard, so I will have to try them in real life to know whether I like the sound of jades/dashes

[buoyant solstice]

https://www.youtube.com/@wooting/live

We are showing off a black case right now on the livestream.

The white zinc alloy was also showed off, if you watch the VOD later.

[arctic ice]

raw gang

[buoyant solstice]

Calder showed off the latest sample in the most recent video.

[arctic ice]

saw but not final

focus on the live

[buoyant solstice]

Calder's in Taiwan, so he has the fastest access to new samples and changes that need to be decided 😄

[pseudo parrot]

now this is awesome

[arctic ice]

[upbeat berry]

wait till they show the built in coffee and sandwich machine

[zealous oak]

Indeed it is

[humble cargo]

now this I like

[shell monolith]

Sanders orange key cabs lookin really good on his white zinc 80he

[buoyant solstice]

Except up close he said.

[verbal solar]

they should expose the FW rom too

[pseudo parrot]

it should remain closed source, thats what allows them to challenge these big companies

[upbeat berry]

the fw rom is exposed

[pseudo parrot]

oh i thought you meant just the firmware lol

[verbal solar]

all within the same eeprom?

[upbeat berry]

the mcu holds the firmware

[flint hinge]

My Opinion: I might be canceling my 80he 😦 I currently have a TKL keyboard, and biggest dislike is the space in-between the "Keyboard" and the F1 keys, arrow keys/pgup/pgdn/del/end keys. I also think this LED bar although cool is just unnecessary, no functionality at all, takes up space, and I rather not have it die or break on me in a couple months. I'll just be pissed about it when it does happen. I also think this LED bar has been a headache for the team, but I know they give their all. I don't know if I just have to wait until they decide on making out a true 75% instead of a 77% hopefully I wont wont have to wait to long for that to happen. 70% is the perfect keyboard for me.

[cunning gust]

The keyboard shown on stream is zinc?

[buoyant solstice]

Where?

[cunning gust]

Sorry auto correct got me

[buoyant solstice]

Black was plastic, white was white zinc

[cunning gust]

Ah so no black zinc sad thanks though

[zealous oak]

Was white zinc dissasembled like the plastic one?

[upbeat berry]

while i dont understand the breaking concern you are free to cancel any order that hasnt shipped yet. just email us at [e-mail]

[buoyant solstice]

It was not. And zinc cases will be slightly different to open and close.

[zealous oak]

Ok thanks

[midnight iron]

70%?

Like the super compact 75% you mean?

[flint hinge]

yes 75% my bad

[flint hinge]

will do thank you.

[midnight iron]

That’s a very tough to find layout and I doubt wooting will be making that anytime soon if ever

It’s very unpopular even in the custom keyboard space with more variety

Can only think of a couple examples of companies who make that layout and it’s definitely not a big seller

[flint hinge]

yes true i currently have a keychron 75% just got for the mean time and I love it way more than my previous TKL

[lapis galleon]

yeah

also the 80he's gaming performance is unmatched rn, I sorta doubt you are going to find anything with similar performance.

to each their own tho, personally I would just learn the layout.

[icy cosmos]

A question regarding your concern. Since we have yet to fully understand what the LED bar does. (Has not been shown yet) Is your concern about the light breaking = not illuminating? The function is built into the chip. So it won’t stop working just because the lights stop illuminating. The whole keyboard has RGB, basically any light can go off with age.

[lapis galleon]

The LEDs have a 2 year warranty. If this were to happen you would be able to email wooting to get a replacement.

[nova nexus]

The 80HE has a 4 year warranty, excluding the LEDs which have a 2 year warranty

[lapis galleon]

oh ok yeah thats what I figured

[nova nexus]

This is the same for the 60HE and the UwU. The W2HE has a 2 year warranty for everything

[lapis galleon]

Its also pretty unlikely for LEDs to just die randomly. They do fade/dim over time but that usually takes a while to start happening.

[pseudo parrot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwHYBdbZ4eo

[icy cosmos]

Can’t you just replace the LED yourself if the warranty is expired?

[buoyant solstice]

With enough soldering knowhow? Sure

[icy cosmos]

Great

[jagged quail]

Cool

[flint hinge]

People have been saying there's warranty so I'm no longer really bothered by the LED lights, but the LED bar's function still doesn't appeal to me. I would compare it to the Apple's touch bar they had a couple years back on their laptops, never appealed to me, and it had functionality. Also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwHYBdbZ4eo the bar seams to be stressing out the team. Maybe could've been better with out tbh, My opinion though. I think its a cool idea but does it need to belong? idk Frost case looks amazing though. All in all I think the layout is just not my favorite I really do prefer the 75% layout compactness.

[zealous oak]

I like the led bar, it gives the keyboard more appeal

like a distinctive sign

[jade widget]

people didn't like the touchbar because it removed functionality not added to it, it replaced the f row and also had barely any app support

it's only useful feature was you could use it to skip ads on youtube, which was definitley not intended behavior 😂

[glad meadow]

and was really buggy on many software

[severe river]

Never had a proper chance to really jump in here and talk about the Wooting 80he.
Overall, in my unbiased opinion this will be my first 80% board after having the Corsair Platinum XT 110% board for 10+ years a tank of a keyboard.
I went with the Zinc Alloy in my order and I'm really looking forward to the heavier frame and also getting hands on with the Wooting Technology as opposed to these copycat rapid triggers (Razer, Corsair, Steelseries, etc.). The board is looking fantastic and is going to look amazing with the Black Alloy Frame and White Key Caps I order along with the board through you all❤️
Really looking forward to the estimated delivery date in July super excited to get hands on and I'm happy to support and independent company and as well as become a founder for the 80he as the 60he boards never appealed to me I told myself I'd never buy one. You all showcased the 80 and it was all hands on deck for me 😂 Hope the team is doing well and I personally appreciate all the updates you all provide. Congratulations on your current and future success! 🥂

[lapis galleon]

we dont really know exactly what the LED bar is going to do quite yet but they're working on a video that goes in depth on what it does. the keyboard doesnt ship for quite a while so you have time to cancel it if you end up not liking the functions of the LED bar, however I'd wait until its functions are farther explained before you cancel.

[lament saffron]

@buoyant solstice I see mine but I dont know which one is yours

https://tenor.com/view/enhance-gif-10953787

[buoyant solstice]

(I haven't seen any of them)

[valid comet]

steelseries was first with HE but wooting was first to innovate and make RT

i think

[buoyant solstice]

[valid comet]

maybe I was wrong can someone correct me

[buoyant solstice]

What keyboard are you thinking of here exactly?

[valid comet]

apex pro I think, the omnipoint magnetic switches

that came before wootings first HE board didnt it?

[nova nexus]

Here you go, enhanced with AI

[valid comet]

but wooting actually yields the best results from HE tech so far (analog/RT)

[dreamy sedge]

uhm

as far as i know steelseries were one of the first optical switch users but not HE

[lament saffron]

I do not see a Duck in there. Need more enhancement!

We probably also need more fingers lol

[nova nexus]

You right

[lament saffron]

Well done, I'll take it. Lets shake on it!

[oak sigil]

no the 60he, i typed in the wrong chat

[vague forge]

Do you know if it is possible to sync any wooting keyboard with razer chroma? To be able to sync it with wallpaper engeine.

[buoyant solstice]

Yes but not without a proper RGB suite that combines several brands together.

Razer locked third party access to Chroma, so it's divided into zones, not per key RGB.

Artemis is one of those apps.

[umbral locust]

They are identical. Don’t really know the point.

[vague forge]

So you can but it wouldn't look as good as on a normal razer keyboard, right?

Although, I suppose that from the same wooting software I could manually configure the colors per key, right? So if it would take me a while but I can make it match the wallpaper.

[buoyant solstice]

It would look terrible - imo.
Try enabling Chroma in both Wootility and Synapse and see what happens.

[vague forge]

I will do so as soon as I get my wooting keyboard. I haven't decided which one to buy yet though. I'm considering buying the 60he for gaming and then buying a 100% keyboard for work and stuff. Or there's also the option of buying me the 80he and use that one for everything. I still haven't made up my mind

[acoustic jasper]

It was not the first

There are Hall effect keyboards going back decades but the most early like “gaming” one I know would be acepad tech

[buoyant solstice]

It also depends on what you consider "first" in terms of the features.

Using the HE as an analog input was us.
Steelseries only used it for adjustable actuation at first iirc? A bit like those special Topre* switches

[valid comet]

yeah i meant gaming HE board

oh really wow!

[high whale]

can't wait for Wooting including support for Dynamic Lighting so we can get rid of all 3rd party apps

[buoyant solstice]

On Windows*
Maybe*

[rose crane]

guys just a dumb question but i wanna try lubing the lekker switches for the v2 ( first time ever lubing btw) but do i also need to lube the screw in stabilizer or stabilizer because i am kinda scared to take every piece off

[rose crane]

is it gonna sound a lot better if i lube the stabilizers

[coarse ermine]

Im alittle fustrated with the new update only reason why preorder this model was because i dont want icons on my board... and now they adding icons I may want a refund...

[wispy trellis]

did he really just talk 5 minuts streight about a keycap puller wich for most enthusiasts lands streight in the bin'?

[tight cliff]

I like the icons though, makes it unique, will be interesting to see them 🤓

[nova nexus]

Why?

[quartz trellis]

that's actually part of the Wooting experience in the first place

[coarse ermine]

#@nova nexus Well the icons are art and art is subjective you may like the design but for others it could be offensive or plainly just ugly.

[quartz trellis]

you won't see them anyways once the keyboard is assembled?

[atomic harness]

did they say it wouldnt have any? cause 60he had them so i’d expect 80he to have some design

[quartz trellis]

and it's not just art, it's also a tribute to the backers

[nova nexus]

Sure, but they're only visible when you're actively modding the keyboard and have removed all of the switches and keycaps

[quartz trellis]

@nova nexus i wanna cancel my 60HE orders, because i see Icons on the PCB

seriously tho, such a silly thing isn't a valid reason for a refund imo, but Wooting's generous enough to refund you anyway, especially because the product wasn't shipped yet

but honestly? The icons add some personality to the keyboard imo and i like them

[buoyant solstice]

I'll say this much - I don't recall us ever receiving a single complain for the 60HE.

So I doubt it'll be worse for the 80HE.

[quartz trellis]

Y NO KNOB?

[wispy trellis]

nothing to do with generosity that's whats only proper and fair - if i don't like the smell i will get a refund it was always like hell even if you used it fgor 20 days you can send it back - normal for many countrys

[buoyant solstice]

We're still working on the knob.

[crude cairn]

Is there a technical reason why the 80he doesn't have the strap? That was the coolest part in a way

[quartz trellis]

because the strap is unique to the 60HE

[buoyant solstice]

Technical? Not really. You could argue it would make the board longer.
But the strap is a 60HE thing, not a Wooting thing.

[crude cairn]

Ah

[quartz trellis]

given the size of the 80HE, which is barely bigger than the 60HE, the strap would indeed add something to it, but then again, the strap's unique to the 60HE while the 80HE received the RGB Bar

so i guess each and every new keyboard of Wooting will have something special no one else had

[crude cairn]

Ok that's interesting

[quartz trellis]

but then again, there are already fakes out there, copying Wootings design in some ways

[upbeat berry]

well also the strap was for a highly customizable keyboard to begin with. the 60% layout is just infinitely more popular in the third party products scene for anything from cases to stabs to anything in between. the strap is a unique 60% thing for us and we dont expect to be putting it on other form factors necessarily.

the uwu also has smth special with an led top bar and 3 micro switch buttons which no other keyboard has of ours (except led bar with the 80he soon)

[quartz trellis]

as example

literally an 80HE without the F row

and without HE switches

[atomic harness]

i like my f row 😢

[crude cairn]

I wish I could add a detachable f row to the 60

[quartz trellis]

my UwU exploded

[quartz trellis]

just buy 4 UwUs?

or 2 if you use the bottom keys too

[idle depot]

All knob keyboard

[crude cairn]

I don't know what you guys mean by uwu' s

[quartz trellis]

https://wooting.io/uwu

[crude cairn]

I thought y'all were Memeing

[eager sundial]

UwU

[wispy trellis]

this thing would hafe been so awsome if it would hafe a WASD layout or 6 buttons as example use 2 for fithing games haha

[upbeat berry]

have* fighting*

[quartz trellis]

there are other options out there and besides: it has 6 buttons

or more like 3 keys and 3 buttons

[crude cairn]

If it had more keys it would solve my issue

[umbral locust]

I remember in the last update video, calder mentioned something about the LED bar is different depending on if you get light or dark case, does anyone else remember that or am I tripping? Wondering how that works if i just get 2 modules and 2 cases, how would I know which is which?

[buoyant solstice]

A lightbar that is colour matched is included with each case.

[umbral locust]

🙏🏻 Smart way to do it, thanks for confirming!

[brave lantern]

Is there any information regarding developer support for the lightbar for the 80HE? If so, is there anywhere I can be pointed to? I have some ideas for games I play to incorporate the lightbar

[buoyant solstice]

Nothing yet

[boreal plover]

hey guys wanted to ask if there is a white coiled cable that's compatible with the wooting tachyeon mode or if wooting are going to release a white color coiled cable soon as I believe it would match the white case and keycaps really well

[buoyant solstice]

White cable coming within a week or so.

https://tenor.com/view/sold-auction-its-yours-gif-17563921

[quartz trellis]

damn it, Mansen... you're adding another item on my purchase list next week

[buoyant solstice]

(there's also pink)

[quartz trellis]

i need a white one for my ISO 60HE

[buoyant solstice]

[polar storm]

so the lightbar is actually swappable? 🤔

[runic forge]

question
https://wooting.io/configurator/wooting-80he?model=ANSI+/+PCR+Plastic+/+Black&lang=United+States&keycaps=none&quantity=1&product=standard
does this mean keycaps are included already, or do I have to select keycaps further down below?

[buoyant solstice]

ANSI? Keycap Preinstalled.

[quartz trellis]

technically? yes. practically? unlikely

[runic forge]

No ISO

[buoyant solstice]

ISO? No keycap, gotta grab some during checkout or bring your own.

[runic forge]

ah yeah I see, ty

[buoyant solstice]

Also gotta install them on the board yourself, but that's easy.

[quartz trellis]

exactly

takes about 3-5 minutes for someone who knows the keyboard layout in their sleep

[runic forge]

also to confirm, I can change key mapping in software right? I dont need page up/down, but I do need Home/End

[buoyant solstice]

Yep

[quartz trellis]

you can change any key to anything you like

hell, you can even map F21-24 onto WASD

not sure why someone would need it, but it's a possibility

[polar storm]

doesnt work the other way around tho

[buoyant solstice]

Want to bind ESC to fourty keys? You can do that!

I will be silently judging you for it, but its possible.

[quartz trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/клавиатура-утки-крякает-gif-3643925670989991054

[cunning gust]

Today I learned mansen is a coward

Bind esc to 50 keys and del to the rest

[runic forge]

is that a ducky one? :D

[cunning gust]

Shuffle them randomly

[quartz trellis]

a ducky 40 actually

40 keys of pure quacks

[cunning gust]

Whoever made this keyboard is a quack

[quartz trellis]

you haven't seen my Wooting Bamboozle yet

[buoyant solstice]

I almost had that with my UwU, but postal wanted 22€ in "touching the package" fees.

So I let them go back to the US.

[quartz trellis]

what am i supposed to say with my Gateron stuff?

110€ for the kit and 34€ on top for import...

making a 90 dollars kit almost double in value just for import

@buoyant solstice

[buoyant solstice]

Too slow 😦

[upbeat berry]

im sorry mansen

ill be slower next time

[buoyant solstice]

My CPU is at 100%, so even Discord is taking seconds to react to literally anything 😄

88! done

[quartz trellis]

HEIL... uhhh...

[buoyant solstice]

[quartz trellis]

sry, force of habit

[buoyant solstice]

inb4 Anarchy99

[quartz trellis]

i'm pretty sure @upbeat berry knows that force of habit sometimes

[upbeat berry]

88! is 185482642257398439114796845645546284380220968949399346684421580986889562184028199319100141244804501828416633516851200000000000000000000

[buoyant solstice]

[quartz trellis]

[buoyant solstice]

Guess I'm watching xXx again.

[upbeat berry]

why are you watching triple x lol

[idle depot]

I got to ask at anytime soon can you guys share any knob info? (Knob enthusiast)

[buoyant solstice]

Because I reminded myself of it just now 😄

[upbeat berry]

adult websites have a lot of nobs

[quartz trellis]

lol

[idle depot]

True

[cunning gust]

A brit once called me a knob

[quartz trellis]

an aussie would call you a cunt

[cunning gust]

At least cunt can also be used in a positive way

Knob is always a knob

[quartz trellis]

at least the brit didn't call you a twat

[idle depot]

I love how aussies walk bare foot while having the most ankle biting creatures in the world.

[buoyant solstice]

They train from an early age.

[quartz trellis]

i bet my entire year of income that an aussie would be the better Seal than any murican

[idle depot]

Probably

[buoyant solstice]

Canadians

[quartz trellis]

nah, fuck canadians, they're whimsy about everything

[upbeat berry]

my man... they do worse than just walk bare foot... try being unconcious for 8hrs or so while literally anything around them could kill them from a small spider to some snake

[buoyant solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-does-he-know-gif-26833694

[quartz trellis]

"oh, german beer's so cold served, oh, murican BBQ is too smoky"... bitch, deal with it, that's how it is

[cunning gust]

I would whine too if I was Canadian

[buoyant solstice]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zD8N6ddCQo0

[cunning gust]

Also beer should be .5 degrees above freezing

[quartz trellis]

dafuq

[idle depot]

'Common' house spiders in Australia

[quartz trellis]

are you trying to kill the taste of it or what's wrong with you?

[cunning gust]

Found the Canadian

[quartz trellis]

dude, i fucking live in the country of beer

[buoyant solstice]

Czechia?

[cunning gust]

Land of beer so weak you cant taste it if it's cold

[quartz trellis]

czechia doesn't have a law of pureness for beer

[buoyant solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-run-gif-11143867

[thorn spruce]

Is there a "Stupid questions keyboard newbs ask about modding" faq somewhere?

[cunning gust]

But na I'm just biased toward enjoying super cold beer while outside on hot days

[quartz trellis]

you know that too cold drinks are actually worse for you?

[cunning gust]

Define worse, it's beer after all

[buoyant solstice]

Does #🪛│modding_faq count?

[upbeat berry]

why is beer being discussed in 80he channel not #💬│general

[thorn spruce]

See I didn't even see that channel. thank you.

[past gust]

it's lobby small talk since we're all in the 3month waiting room rn

[cunning gust]

80he confirmed nonalcoholic

[twilit hull]

1

[marsh canopy]

when are we going to get silent he switches ?

[buoyant solstice]

When someone comes up with a way to do that without compromising the benefits of HE switches?

[humble cargo]

german beer is pretty boring these days

[upbeat berry]

the discussion had moved nightman

[humble cargo]

[dense ridge]

@buoyant solstice congratulations on the promotion 🙂

[buoyant solstice]

No promotion.

[dense ridge]

you are now in wooting team, were u always been there?

[buoyant solstice]

Like I've said numerous times. Just undercover. Move along.

[dense ridge]

or it was just discord role 🙂

ahaha, i see 🙂

[marsh canopy]

compromises ? I honestly don't know much on that subject, if you could please enlighten me on that, that would be great.

[shell monolith]

Not for me, ice cold water and red bull just hit right

[dense helm]

Saw a video update about the frost case. Will there be a pre-assembled option with the frost case? It's only the black and ghost case options.

[jolly tangle]

no module only

[dense helm]

Thank you. If I buy the module option, does it come with all the case internals like a pre-assembled? Gasket, PCB plate, etc.? Never assembled a keyboard before.

[jolly tangle]

yes you only need to buy switches and keycaps

the rest is included incl cable

[dense helm]

Thank you. I'll cancel and re-order the module. I saw the frost case and really liked it.

[jolly tangle]

Were you part of the founders campaign?

[dense helm]

No, why? I didn't hear about the Wooting 80HE until recently, after the campaign ended.

[jolly tangle]

ah ok then its all good

that all depends on your window language

[buoyant solstice]

You get familiar with ALT shortcut keys

[umbral locust]

#🪛│modding_faq

[humble cargo]

stupid keyboard newbs probably shouldn't mod their keyboard first thing

[buoyant solstice]

Already answered a few posts down 😄

[umbral locust]

My phone didnt load anything past that message. Oops

[buoyant solstice]

[umbral locust]

But i wanna make it thock to make it better so i can win /s

The pipeline from never modding a keyboard to suddenly wanting to try every mod on a wooting is too damn wild

[humble cargo]

mine still stock almost two years later

[jade widget]

60he was my gateway drug into keyboards 💸

[humble cargo]

like I could mod it, but why

[umbral locust]

Stock is lowkey best mod

[humble cargo]

its not gonna perform any better

[jade widget]

Best for your bank account that's for sure

[umbral locust]

Maybe change key and and switches and call it a day

Everything else has insane diminishing returns and is a time and money sink

[humble cargo]

sure I get that a fancier case looks cool and all, but people literally spend hundreds for this shit

[pseudo parrot]

I’m not going to mod my 80he in any way probably, it’s already gasket mounted and whatever else

[humble cargo]

for no functional improvement

[umbral locust]

But i like to tinker so am gonna tinker 😂😭

[jade widget]

Stock lubing on the switches when I bought them wasn't that good though lubing made a big difference

[umbral locust]

Am just gonna use my own switches and keycaps and use it as is

Maaaaaybe do moleskin tape mod instead of stock well see

[jade widget]

I'm keeping my 80he pretty stock, apart from maybe cerakoting the case but we'll see

[pseudo parrot]

On mine I might change keycaps at some point but that’s it

[fallen epoch]

Dunno about you, but im gonna take mine out to dinner

[pseudo parrot]

Im tempted to open it up to check out the icons however

[jade widget]

I bought the module so I'll need to buy keycaps anyway

[pseudo parrot]

Fair lol

[jade widget]

And i can use the founders free pack on my 60he

Also I might buy a custom cable for it 🤔

Well for all my boards I'm still using my stock 60he cable

It kind of matched when I was using my bruce lee x2

[umbral locust]

I contemplated getting that mousepad just for that lol

[dusky bay]

Still no reply after 27 days

[umbral locust]

Whats the rush? Keyboard comes out in 3 months.

They are priorotizing cancellations, warranty claims, support etc

[dusky bay]

👍

[midnight iron]

think they said the order edits are paused since they're not urgent while they make a system to let folks do them easier/better

[sly thicket]

Send a follow-up I got a response within 5 days

5 calendar not business

[thick shard]

does anybody know when the "FROST" case will be on the website?

[umbral locust]

You need to buy a module to pick that case.

[umbral locust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG1uDXOTm0w

I'm sorry, but the feet are so ugly I feel like we are being trolled.

Did they really need to stand out like a sore thumb both in design, size AND color?

[wary adder]

I love the feet, but hey I like Noctua Fans.

[umbral locust]

I like Noctua Fans too

[wary adder]

Also personally wont matter, like they said typing with the lowest angle is better for wrists. And with the lowest ones you wont see them.

[umbral locust]

I've got 8 in my PC

[umbral locust]

low angles hurt me

[wary adder]

I have 20 in my old pc lol (CaseLabs case). Only 5 in my current one.

[wary adder]

Interesting, I have a bad right wrist, and I perfer the low typing angle, I have to use the wristwrest on my alumaze 60HE.

Also I use XDA uniform keycaps.

[umbral locust]

like on an apple keyboard the low angle doesnt matter because the keys are basically paper thin

but on cherry profile keys I need the height to be able to type comfortably

in combination with a wrist rest

5-8 is acceptable, anything lower or higher starts to cause issues after long use

[wary adder]

Hold your breath, maybe they will sell the silicone feet in colors later on. I would assume if they do work out they will use them on future keyboards.

I could see accent color feet being a thing.

[umbral locust]

Possible, might also DIY my own if I get the time, we'll see.

[wary adder]

Sharpie Markers here we go.

Thin layer of Spray on PlastiDip.. not sure how you would go about it.

[umbral locust]

i have friends who are better at this stuff than me, they'll help me figure it out.

[jade widget]

maybe it's because you use a wristrest

[umbral locust]

Happens even without a wrist rest.

Unless like I said, it's an apple keyboard that is wafer thin with wafer thin keycaps. Cherry profile, or even worse, OEM, is just too high to use without a wrist rest even if it's a flat keyboard.

[midnight iron]

Sounds like you’re used to high angle

[umbral locust]

We all have different body proportions and setups, so it is what it is.

[umbral locust]

Not really because my fastest typing speed and most comfortable is actually with an apple keyboard.

But with keycaps like cherrys, it just doesn't work for me, I need some height.

[midnight iron]

Yeah I mean comfort wise what you’re used to

Most folks just end up used to what they use normally so different setup feels weird or off to them even if it’s ergonomically fine

[jade widget]

you develop form based on what you're used to it takes a while to break out of that, like when i switched mouse it was uncomfortable for me for about a week until i adjusted

[umbral locust]

I see no reason to change what I am used to.

[midnight iron]

I changed it mostly for ergonomics. Long term I want to be able to type pain free until I’m old and seen way too many gamer friends get rsi in their 30s

[umbral locust]

I type on a few different configurations and they all work fine for me despite being so different.

It's specifically the combination of high keycaps and low angles that gives me issues. But I also do martial arts and do olympic weight lifting so my wrists probably have tons of damage already

I'd have to take a photo and compare some time, but I feel like a wrist wrest with a higher typing angle results in my hands being flatter than lower angle with no wrist rest

But i also know there is no one size fits all with ergonomics even though there are good rules of thumbs.

[midnight iron]

I found low angle with wrist rest the best ergonomics wise personally

Just have to avoid pushing down into the wrist rest, but that’s true for all wrist rest usage

[umbral locust]

The wrist rest is only really there for using WASD in gaming, when am typing I don't relaly use it.

I haven't tried to game on the apple keyboard so not sure how that would work though lmao

[brittle orbit]

Any info on the lekker 2 performance in the wooting 80 he expose today

[midnight iron]

nothing new yet, but we already know what it is so there's not much more to show really besides a final sound test

[brittle orbit]

I am not interested in the 80 polling or extra keys. I like the 60 form factor for gaming

[umbral locust]

lekker2s are just tighter lekkers, am not expecting anything huge lol

[brittle orbit]

Okay so no need to purchase then

I use the raptor he housing with the lekker 60 stem

I have zero stem wobble and my keyboard sounds incredible

[midnight iron]

yeah if you already have raptors with stem swap you're fine

the lekker v2 change is more to bring lekkers in line with those other options for stem wobble

[umbral locust]

lekker 2s are good for people that buy prebuilt but for the rest of us with franken raptors or gaterons there is no point in getting v2s

[brittle orbit]

Good to know, i actually think our franken LekTors are incredible

[midnight iron]

i'll probably still throw my lekker v2 freebie set into my 60he once the 80he gets here, just so i can have a slightly lighter switch vs the franken raptors

[brittle orbit]

I felt a huge performance increase in analog games, the LACK OF stem wobble allowed me to lower actuation distances

[umbral locust]

why not just spring swap rn?

[jade widget]

Same gotta use that free pack for something

[brittle orbit]

I am not a fan of the 45 and lighter switches, i find them too sensitive and cause accidental presses. The 50g raptor spring is surprisingly spot on and without the stem wobble its legit

[umbral locust]

atm my favorite is 22mm 55g springs

feels very controlled and consistent through out the entire range instead of being too soft at the beginning and then needing more force to bottom out. It makes fine tuning DKS very easy.

[brittle orbit]

Im 100% consistent with 50g and at that small difference the speed performance benefit appears negligible when lighter can cause accidental presses. I lost my shit with the L45s the first week in fortnite

[umbral locust]

Also has the nice side effect of sounding better

[brittle orbit]

I was all over the place with accidental presses

[midnight iron]

spring swap doesn't work for raptor franken switch

no matter what spring you put they still feel like 60-70g due to the slightly too tight housing

[brittle orbit]

But i bet a big part was the OEM profile and the wobbly stem, the OEM keycaps are too heavy for the L45s

[umbral locust]

damn, rip.

I've tired it with stock raptors, jades and ks20us and its been nice having the same springs in different switches.

[midnight iron]

like right now i have the 50g springs in the raptors but they feel slightly heavier than my L60 lekkers

just side effect of the franken switch that you can't really avoid unfortunately

[umbral locust]

Yeah I personally wasn't a fan of frank raptors so I didn't try.

[brittle orbit]

Ill take it to get rid of the stem wobble, f that

The stem wobble was atrocious

[midnight iron]

yeah they're still good, just a little heavier than I use for gaming normally

[brittle orbit]

Ill take 60g vs 45g all day

[umbral locust]

Jades and Dual Rails have really good stem wobble.

[brittle orbit]

And im unreal rank in fortnite build and zero build

[umbral locust]

based

[brittle orbit]

That stem wobble cucked me in so many build fights

[umbral locust]

peopel that use 45g remind me of the soft hands brother meme

[brittle orbit]

Plus i have man hands

[umbral locust]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[brittle orbit]

Just resting my fingers on the keyboard was activating keys at 0.3mm

To not get that to happen i would have had to raise actuation distance to 1.0mm

For me that was a dumb trade

[umbral locust]

I use 0.1 on all keys except a few.

[brittle orbit]

I swapped them out after a few days when i realized how much worse performance actually was

I would love to use 0.1mm, but even with the franken LekTors and the speed i have to hit keys in fortnite it was too low

In a tac fps absolutely. But fortnite id accidentally hit the wrong bind grazing a finger

[umbral locust]

thats why i like the longer spring

the bottom out is still 55g but the initial force is higher, which prevents accidental hits

[brittle orbit]

Which spring?

[umbral locust]

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006583637812.html

but like sno said, might not work on franken switches, i have tried. I've tired them in lekkers, raptors, jades and dual rails though with no issues.

[brittle orbit]

Thanks for the tip fenix, Ill order some and give it a whirl, i love modding. Just got my pc backplate

[umbral locust]

yeah np, def worth the try, it's good to dabble and fine tune your build and preferences.

[brittle orbit]

Eh its not bad at all at 6.50, ive spent more on dumb shit lol

[umbral locust]

free shipping too lmao

[brittle orbit]

I dont mind if it still feels like 60-70g with the spring swap if i can still lower actuation to 0.1 because the initial force is higher

[umbral locust]

theres a 62.5g version of it as well

I got 45 and 62.5 to try but i haven't tried them for long yet, am really happy with 55s

i tried 70g and it was too heavy. a lot of times I think i would hit a button and it wouldn't work, and after a long session of holding WASD my fingers would tense up a bit. I got used to it, but it wasn't ideal.

[brittle orbit]

Sweet im ordering this set now, ill just get the 55g one

[umbral locust]

Yeah I think its a safe call, very comparable to stock l60s or raptors, but with the benefits of long springs.

[brittle orbit]

Not looking forward to taking all those keys apart again

[umbral locust]

An opportunity to lube/relube at least

[brittle orbit]

Did they come factory lubed or did you bag/hand lube them

[umbral locust]

i bag lubed them

actually they come in a neat little box, i threw in some 105 and shook it well

[brittle orbit]

Thanks a ton for the tip, really appreciate it, i love experimenting with fun cheap mods like this

[umbral locust]

At worst its a few bucks and an hour of your time, at best your game is elevated

It WILL change the sound of your switches though, so maybe test one out if you care about that thing too before you do all of them.

I think it improves it, the extra mass does a switch good imo

[brittle orbit]

I game with iems so im not into keyboard asmr, i am fortunate they sound incredible to me with current mods

Stock was a bit tinny if that makes sense

[umbral locust]

Yeah, I fiddle with sound for fun, but at the end of the day I don't care about it, i priorotize performance > feel > look > sound

[umbral locust]

that steel plate is rough

[brittle orbit]

Same exact order for me too

[valid comet]

same

[woeful vessel]

hey should i get the wooting 80he for games

might be getting it for my birthday

[bleak vale]

are we getting more upgrade options for our 80he orders yet?

the new wrist rest isn't even added as an upgrade option yet

[amber cove]

is there any difference between the 80he and the two HE other than the extra keys?

[dim sierra]

Uses arm, lekker v2, led strip, 8k hz, pc plate, gasket mount, foam under switch, screw in stabs, etc

[rustic idol]

All keyboards use ARM now

[pliant goblet]

Performance wise u won’t be better on a 80he than any other wooting board

[merry ermine]

ordered mine for my birthday

[dim sierra]

Incase was using the og 2 he

[dim sierra]

I cant play with bad sounding keyboards right now, i will cringe so hard from the sound 💀

[desert quest]

Am I the only one who thinks that the light led bar looks so much better than the dark led bar (sample)?

[meager quail]

yep

[dim sierra]

Yea it does look better, but they’re still working on it

[shell monolith]

Does every 80he come with the new keycab puller?

[meager quail]

probably

[shell monolith]

Nicee

[dim sierra]

3 more months

[winged pelican]

i need more time, still haven't ordered a lub station kit

[dim sierra]

Im just paying $50 for someone else to do it for me

Too much tedious work for me 💀

[arctic ice]

u mean switch lube and stab lube set?

[winged pelican]

im paying less for lubes and kit, plus i get to experience it which is part of the fun 🙂

[winged pelican]

i ordered the lubeS from wooting, but ordering some other third party kit for organizing all the parts etc

[arctic ice]

oh share a pic or somethin

[winged pelican]

not many options rn that's why im taking my time, maybe something comes out 🙂 found this one on ali

[arctic ice]

aaa, like the station to put all your switches in for lubing

so it wont be aall over the place

[buoyant solstice]

Such a luxury. I just used a piece of paper and did five switches at a time on that 😄

[winged pelican]

i like the idea of using bowls and just a flat surface or w/e but i think i would make a mess

[umbral locust]

I like to do one switch at a time. I get confused when I have a lineup lmao

[arctic ice]

I like it when lube is all over the place

[winged pelican]

lubes gotta lube 👍🏻

[umbral locust]

https://tenor.com/view/evolution-lubricant-mad-gif-14065006

[winged pelican]

hopefully i don't hate the process, i'll listen to a podcast or something (which i also never do) - some change in routine is good 🙂

[arctic ice]

el pedro on 10hr repeat

[winged pelican]

i honestly don't think it will take more than an hour

[tight cliff]

I've got that lube station & it's ok, it's kinda chill to do it while watching a movie, podcast whatever

[arctic ice]

take a bucket and just throw them all in there

pour some olive oil on top, call gordon ramsey

call it a day

[winged pelican]

i will use this bag method for lubing springs tho instead of this lube station.

will still call gordon maybe he has some advice

[arctic ice]

https://tenor.com/view/idiot-sandwich-gordon-ramsay-what-are-you-gif-5280412

[quartz trellis]

that particular lube station is quite fine for regular stems, but HE stems? good luck keeping them seperated

[buoyant solstice]

Took me 4-5 hours to lube my 60HE the first time.

Good opportunity to put on a movie or shows.

[winged pelican]

is there a better alternative? 😄 or tips

[winged pelican]

i don't think my neck/back/shoulders can handle a 4-5 hour session 😅

why'd it take so long?

[quartz trellis]

the springs also don't fit the holes, so i had to put them into the side tray

[buoyant solstice]

I wasn't rushing and taking my time to lube the housing and springs properly. Replacement wires as well.

[quartz trellis]

well, sadly there's no proper alternative for HE switches. my tip: seperate each part. Top to top, bottom housing to bottom housing, springs in a bag, etc.

[winged pelican]

do the stems not fit in to the tray holes? or what did you mean by "good luck keeping them seperated" 😄

[quartz trellis]

once you're done with the seperation lube a single part. i.e. bottom housings only

[quartz trellis]

the stems are magnetic, so they like to stick to each other

[winged pelican]

hahahha i didn't think about that

makes absolute sense ✅

[quartz trellis]

no shame in keeping them together in a big pile tho. You're not weakening or strengthening the magnets that way

[coarse gulch]

I just watched the latest video update, ngl, the dark LED bar is not it (yet)
Much rather have the light in the black case

[quartz trellis]

oh, also make sure you clean your place after lubing and wash your hands

that stuff gets everywhere, even if you don't want to

[tardy heath]

i use the original wooting case as my lubing station xD

[buoyant solstice]

Whatever works for you as a mat or container. I used a piece of paper - Now I have a lubing station like the one shown above that Calder threw at me. Too big to ship to Taiwan I guess 😄

It'll be a fun test to see how an 80HE works with L80 springs.

[tardy heath]

i should get myself one the wooting made me lube and try things out so frquently xD

[quartz trellis]

and for the love of god, DO NOT use the lube for lubing anything else but keyboard stuff... Yes, i've heard of people trying to lube their willy

[tardy heath]

thockyyyy breeding session xD

[tardy heath]

wich lube would u use the 205 or the stab lube xD

[quartz trellis]

uh... neither, because the lube's not water based

so it could cause skin irritation and other stuff

[winged pelican]

I could see some biz opp here for wooting to make wooting branded kits - im sure it's prob easiest/most profitable with current model - small light accessories whitelabel

[winged pelican]

also no flavor!

[quartz trellis]

they were thinking about to buy the Gateron disassembly kits and sell them in their store, but sadly the demand isn't there

[tardy heath]

AHHAHAHHA no flavor he siad

[tardy heath]

10/10 would buy

[quartz trellis]

i have my disassembly kit already

[pseudo parrot]

Keyboard surgery

[quartz trellis]

slaps my iFixIt Manta kit on top
Now we can proceed the surgery

[winged pelican]

which is better?

[quartz trellis]

@buoyant solstice when do we get the updated lube kit?

[tardy heath]

the plier one

[quartz trellis]

the pliers, definitely

i can crack the switches open like nuts with them

[tardy heath]

wouldnt wanna piss you off ;/ real damage can be done

[winged pelican]

ahhh i remember why didn't add to cart... i think i read about damage but is there truth to it?

[quartz trellis]

lol, no

[winged pelican]

it does seem 10x easier and saves a lot of time and hassle

i'd imagine they're made out of the same plastic anyways

[quartz trellis]

just place the switches properly and slowly close the plies

[tardy heath]

youll damage it if you dont press hard enough and try to split it but thats with any opener

[quartz trellis]

nope, aluminum

[wind tiger]

I think the only one I have seen from plastic is from glorious

and honestly even a 3d printed one works fine for quite some time unless you are opening kailh switches

[quartz trellis]

the switch and keycaps puller from gateron are also made of aluminum, only the tips of the keycaps puller are made of some freaking sturdy plastic

[wind tiger]

ngl

I see no reason in the gateron switch puller, just seems like unwieldy overkill

[peak vapor]

Hi everyone. I’ve ordered my 80HE during founders campaign but didn’t have enough time to Write my Name for the website 80HE founders. Is it still possible tov

[winged pelican]

overkill in what sense?

[quartz trellis]

the speed of yanking the switches out with it is unmatched tho

[wind tiger]

in the sense that it is massively overengineered vs just a regular switch puller

[buoyant solstice]

Sure. It's on the hub

[quartz trellis]

i can yank all the switches of a 60HE with it in 3 minutes

[tardy heath]

it does make it easier tho

[wind tiger]

I was always limited by things non-tool related

[peak vapor]

Thanks, I actually just found out how to. Have a nice day 🙂

[buoyant solstice]

[wind tiger]

like how quick I can move my arms accurately

[dim sierra]

Gateron switch puller is like $50

[winged pelican]

lube it yourself and save the $50 to spend on the puller

[wind tiger]

what

[quartz trellis]

i kept my pulling arm in one place, only positioned the keyboard itself with my left arm

[coarse gulch]

Hi Mansen, is there a way for us to give feedback on what was shown in the latest update/DVT stream?

[quartz trellis]

30 bucks, excluding import fees

[dim sierra]

I have everything to do it myself, just too much work 💀

[quartz trellis]

i paid around 140€ for the whole kit, import fees included

[winged pelican]

my basket is like 60 rn, what am i missing

[dim sierra]

I bought one, pretty easy to use i will say

[quartz trellis]

can you screenshot it?

[tight cliff]

Would be nice to have a Wuque keycap puller

[wind tiger]

that ons is decent, it's what I use

[dim sierra]

Yeah Gateron puller is for lazy ass like me

Its like stamping out the switches

[quartz trellis]

or for the ones who have the money and build at least 1 keyboard every month

[wind tiger]

I legit can't see how it makes it any easier

[winged pelican]

based off your disassembly kit pic - I am missing a few pullers, tweezers, and brushes... but I see you also have some DURO tool kit on the right

what are these tho?

[wind tiger]

those are said switch and keycap pullers

[winged pelican]

gateron vapes

[quartz trellis]

keycaps and switch puller

[dim sierra]

U just push and pull and thats 1 switch in 1-2 seconds

[tardy heath]

all imma say is i dont get cramps in my hand when i do it with the gateron puller any other regular steel puller and i get cramps halfway trough

[wind tiger]

so about the time I take with a regular switch puller

[quartz trellis]

virgins aren't familiar with that process

[tardy heath]

[winged pelican]

i thought we were talking about these pliers

[dim sierra]

[tardy heath]

no switch pullers not openers

[quartz trellis]

these are switch opener pliers

[wind tiger]

those are to destroy bottom housings on long pole switches

[quartz trellis]

oof

[winged pelican]

oh is it summer already it's getting very hot in here

[wind tiger]

again, I don't see the advantage, literally just makes it more unwieldy

[tardy heath]

btw is that a stock 60 he ? you got in the pic ? what r u gonna do to it

[quartz trellis]

it's not a stock 60HE anymore

[dim sierra]

80he gasket mount

[quartz trellis]

it became the Wooting Bamboozle

[winged pelican]

these are switch openers right?

[quartz trellis]

yep

and the pliers are also switch openers

[tardy heath]

wich one is ur fav ? and what are the specs ?

[quartz trellis]

THIS is the Wooting Bamboozle

[tardy heath]

i did not even see that wtf hahahahah is it or is it not a wooting is the question

[quartz trellis]

it is a Wooting 60HE PCB inside a SteelSeries Apex Pro Mini case

[winged pelican]

ok, so pliers in cart; wtf is keycap and switch puller, need to look into vids on this. I thought these just..pull out...

[tardy heath]

its to pull the switch from your pcb and the keycaps from your switch

[buoyant solstice]

With tools. yes

[dim sierra]

I mean u dont need to buy one since 80he comes with switch and keycaps puller

[buoyant solstice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN_-GYLTfpY
First couple of minutes go into tools and plucking them

[quartz trellis]

in fact i even used the Apex Pro Mini springs and stems to copy the feeling of that crappy thing to perfection

[tardy heath]

idk if i want to puke or do something sim xD

ok def puking

[winged pelican]

yes I mean, I thought these just pull out with the given tools - but there are some better tools for the job?

[wind tiger]

reminds me, there was that person here that claimed you should grab switches by the sides with a switch puller
instead of top/bottom

[quartz trellis]

that's why it's the Wooting Bamboozle. Feels like an Apex Pro Mini, sounds like one, looks like one, but doesn't handle like it

[quartz trellis]

NO!

[tardy heath]

youre a troll

[dim sierra]

Not that big of the difference if you’re not doing it often

[wind tiger]

which legit does not work

[tardy heath]

if youre not gonna mod often its not worth buying the pullers but it does make it a lil easier ofc

[quartz trellis]

exactly, the gateron stuff does the job more conveniently, that's all there is to it. If you only lube and assemble a single keyboard in 3 months it's not worth buying the kit

[winged pelican]

🤷🏻‍♂️

[dim sierra]

[tardy heath]

[winged pelican]

tell me these are not vapes

[tardy heath]

hahahahahhahahhah oh my daysss

cant blame you tho

[wind tiger]

maybe they are if you ask a third time

[winged pelican]

im joking around 😛

ok skipping gateron vapes because ali doesn't have them rn

[tardy heath]

what did you endup going for in terms of switches and case ?

[winged pelican]

can i ask around for your input on brush sizes 👉🏻 👈🏻

[dim sierra]

One that fits

[jolly tangle]

[quartz trellis]

https://www.gateron.com/products/gateron-keycap-puller?VariantsId=10149

https://www.gateron.com/products/gateron-switch-puller-version-2?VariantsId=10204

https://www.gateron.com/products/gateron-switch-opener?VariantsId=10201

and if you really wanna go fancy pants: https://www.gateron.com/products/gateron-puller-opener-keycap-puller-3-pcs-dragon-and-phoenix-tool-set-accessory

[winged pelican]

final confirmed order

[tardy heath]

doesnt really matter in my opinion just nothing to big or wide

[winged pelican]

im gonna pretend i didn't see this

[jolly tangle]

You ask and you get actual help

but ok

[quartz trellis]

the whole set even comes in its own box

[tardy heath]

i can imagine your future husband proposing to you with this

[quartz trellis]

lol no

[winged pelican]

i was joking saying i don't want to buy it in a roundabout way 😄

the $140 set seems totally worth

[dim sierra]

[quartz trellis]

he'd have to propose to me with a car key for a decent JDM

[winged pelican]

sorry boys jokes and sarcasm doesn't work well over text

[quartz trellis]

RWD, 50:50 weight balance, 200+ HP, manual