#🌟│wooting80he
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I'm excited for mine, i went with the full white zinc since I've been readapting my room to be brighter colors and less rgb/black plus i orginally wanted a 80% keyboard but i went with the 60% because thats all wooting had
🙂
Third party cases would be created propably after keyboards are delivered
Still a gamble I guess, but if it's realistic I might go with the pcr case :D did you order the PCR 80he?
Nah I went with zinc
okay awesome :)
@quaint seal so wait 1-4 months after delivery of 80he and there will be propably 1 or 2 third party case

Wouldn’t hold my breathe on that tbh. The incentive isn’t really there for case makers
I wish wooting added a white colour varient in plastic one
Nice, I hope so
but have to buy again ..
if black exist.. white must be there.. it attracts more customers as well.
different color options in the future like the alumaze would make sense, might just take a bit - maybe we can get some official response from the group on this. I would definitely buy a purple alumaze case for the 80HE.
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which one
i'm trolling. there new keyboard is garbage lol pro x 60
yeah i was gonna say🤣
expensive af too
i like how there is always a comment that says "buy wooting instead" lol
🤣🤣
For every Logitech dick rider there's 3 more saying wooting clears/buy wooting
true lol
logitech are goated when it comes to mice tho
it can be argued that they are the goat of mice, which i agree with
who we lying to? i had two og gpros and both had double click issue
gave up on them and switched razer viper v2 pro and have no issues and it has 8khz
Hello chat
Used logitech for years. Can't go with anything else.
Dude cmon it has volume knob and KEYCONTROL
game changing
Razer broke more often for me
4-5 Razer mouse broke within like 1year but my g502 last me 2 and a half
19958 orders now, so close to 20k
Logitech is good for mouse
I am using Razer keyboard rn and it’s the optical reds but sometimes the keys don’t even register
But I have to deal with it until Aug
There are more brands than logitech and razer 
If you’re in EU you should have 2 years warranty. So you should be able to change to a new mouse/ keyboard if they should die on you. But I failed to understand why you keep buying from a brand that keeps failing on you? I have only had great experiences with logitech warranty service. That’s why I and many corporations still buying loads of their products.
not in eu
So why keep buying from Razer 🤔
cuz i thoughbt that it would be better
gave up after those mice broke
Logitech got 2 years-5 years ( extended) so you can always judge a products quality by the level of warranty a company is willing to cover
What are you doing to them 😂
really hope they release some new cases for the 80he after the launch, wanna make my keyboard pretty
You have a mandatory 2year warranty on any electronic device from the seller normally
What do you have in mind?
It’s only in EU man..
And then the manufacturer can add more to it if he wants, just got a replacement for my MSI motherboard
Yes
He’s not from EU
this was somebodys posted in woostations, this was the idea i had in mind if i got a 60
But I responded to the guy who said "not in eu"
Me too
that or just like a purple case or pink case with some keycaps to match, idk, i just think it looks really nice when the case matches the keys
Wooting should have a showcase gallery dedicated for customs.
There are already a few but should have a gallery made from good one from the wootstage tab from the server
Bingo. Then have a 🗳️ so the community an show their love and admiration. And maybe Wooting can make stuff people would want to buy
It’s just like car modifications. The manufacturers can only do so much. But if something is widely accepted. It becomes a standard
What do you mean by "wooting can make stuff people want to buy"?
They already have custom keycaps (only ANSI) and some cases, cable, wrist rest
That is the thickest USB cable I've ever seen 😲
I would buy that shit so fast if the copper inside is actually thick and it doesn't just have a thick sleeve
You realise that 90% of the keyboard community is modding their keyboards with colourful keycaps and exotic materials. Just because you’re satisfied with the options from Wooting doesn’t mean the community. Wooting on the other hand can’t keep on making more options if they doesn’t sell. So we need a way to keep making stuff that people want to buy right
90%?
All my gamer friends who own a nice keyboard don't give a shit about modding of some sort, I'm the only one who will have a different case than the base keyboard the brand was selling
I'd say maybe 20% when it come to keycaps and maybe... 2% when it comes to anything else? 
And that's in keyboard communities
Either I must go to the lottery right now or the 90% isn't really accurate
Gamers are not the ones driving the keyboard community though 🤣.
Yeah, this seems more realistic
Yeah those are gamers that's not the keyboard community
Like what nice keyboards are ur friends buying
By gamer I was thinking by people interested in electronic devices for PC (keyboard, mise, headsets, pc,...)
They really looked into what to by etc, researching what to get, if that's not part of the keyboard community I don't know. They are interested and doing research for it. But don't care about modding
Ok let me develop my argument. People who buy factory stock stuff has never been the driver of culture. The reason why we’ve arrived at the amount of options for keyboards is the constant pursuit of excellence. Gamers, office workers, engineers, even normal people. All who are not satisfied with what the old fashioned companies make.
If the keyboard community is only those doing tape mods and self lubing switches, well you will be surprised to know that 100% of these people would be interested modding (because they are the modding community) I think there is a misunderstanding of what a community is. It's not only the extremes, like the ones modding. Simply liking it makes you part of it
Well I disagree completely about not being a driver of the keyboard community
They just want a nice keyboard stock, instead of buying a bare keyboard that will be good afterwards
You are the driver by changing the case 🤣
Well yes?
So you’re not you’re no longer like your friends that runs stock
Not if you just drive to work and home
I don’t discriminate here. For example. Porsche owners love keeping their cars at stock because that’s what a purist wants
So you can just buy a car and be part of a community
If for you car community are people modding their car, of course it's everyone then, I like cars, I really like cars, sometimes go to car events but I will 'ever mod my car
But to drive a community, you need to do something more… you need to love your car to be able to make it better 😅
the majority of ppl are car events mod their car
It can be as simple as cleaning it waxing it.
Or buying collectors edition of certain car models
Why? But what if the guy modding the car doesn't have any online presence? He isn't driving the community either in my opinion then, it's just a mechanic
theres a difference between owning something a ton of people own and being an enthusiast
He is because other people who see that car will take pictures of it and shows case it to the world
I definitely don't agree, some just like a nice sleek stock car, if manufacturer options are mods, then yeah they are modded
Yeah and I'm the one taking pictures etc
Same for keyboards, you don't have to mod to be part of the community
They can also just react on videos and share pictures
That is what I am talking about at the beginning. Wooting has already decided on the options ( factory mods) for 80HE. So now to make the 80he more pretty. One have to do it yourself or we the community needs to find a way to show wooting what options we would want them to make ( if you want to buy from wooting that is)
For example Apple IPhone only releases one special Color each year. This year its Titanium. People who want to flex they got the latest version will buy that. Somehow Samsung got the same idea 🤣. How can that possibly happen. Would you buy a flagship without titanium 🤔
They can show it off, but I don't think they will have tons of modding products since it's mostly a keyboard selling company, they might, I have no idea. But right now it's not really the vision I think. They want you to modd it, they give a 'ice introduction to it with lube kits, spring kits, cases etc. It's already not bad. It's not just keycaps. They have springs, and are telling you that you can change the housing of switches to mix them together (jades and Lekker's, I don't see lots of companies telling you to modify they own products with other products)
It's already not bad in my opinion, for more keycaps I would be for that too since the french iso I use is super hard to find, but the rest is fine in my opinion
Hey, i've just watched the video from 5 days ago about the wooting 80he & he had said you can pre-order once the founders has ended but you don't have that perk. is there anything extra that comes with the board ? or is it just a special flex type thing to say you're a founder.
You have products included
Once the campaign ends on Monday, there's no longer a free pack of switches for each customer (if you paid for a pack of switches)
But just go on the website, easier to see
I have zero desire to want to swap the 80HE case, I think Wooting nailed it but then I own several customs and the 80HE has a point of difference; especially the raw zinc which will match my dogs spiked collar. I just need to buy a dog first
ok thanks for you reply i appreciate it 🙂
19994 founders about to hit 20k
firt batch almost full
siu
4 more

Common 1 more for the 20K founders



We are getting trolled
Caps out at 19,999 gg
we beat the game :D
Ayo!
Gg

it was me (it wasn't me)
20000 with 4 days to spare
time to hit 30k bois
Let's go!!
Proud to be part of the founders
30k maybe with enough luck
You are in 1 or 2 batch?
My delivery says late july
So 1
Seems like good news😳😬
Mine says Early August
Same
2nd batch?
I think it's all 1 batch
I made an order 4 mins into the launch and the estimation hasn't changed
same delivery date as the order I made a week ago
First batch is 20k
But founders counter also includes people who bought more than 2 keyboards, and which will receive their keyboards in 2nd batch
if you order more than 1 keyboard you're put into a second batch? wat
mor than 2
3 or more
Sorry, brainfart 
still wat
oh man, i recently cancelled my order so i could redo my switches and i just noticed i got moved to the second batch. When i checked out it still said Late July so i feel bamboozeled
where can i get this 80he
thanks
in the video one of the founders said production batch handles 20k (units?) - there really shouldn't be a batch 1 or 2
if i were to use my own switches, would rapid fire still work?
Yeah it's 20k per batch
I mean they are bound to the laws of reality and fact is they can only make so much so fast
If those are switches compatible with Wooting keyboards, then yes
so bascially no cus my switches suck >:(
I'm on 1st batch hooray :D
everyone is (except for Fenix)
You're right hahaha
No. I'm in the second batch.
Even though i placed my initial order on like day 2, all because i wanted different switches rip
Where does it show that you're on "second batch"?
Ah I didn't know there's another batch called burg now 😄
Its brug, no idea what it means lol
fixed
they're fixing that aren't they? Since i assume you got put into 2nd batch by accident
idk, i haven't messaged them about it. But am guessing since they had to cancel my first order and I had to make a new one, I got bumped from the first batch to second.
instead of "saving my spot"
yeah you triggered their auto 'bulk buyer send to batch 2' thing most likely because you had multiple orders
there's still room in batch 1 but you gotta message them to put you back in there
I'll give them a message and see what they say
is there still room? just hit 20k founders
yes
possibly 🙂 it's 20k founders/orders but not sure if they count in cancelations etc in frontend
why is this a thing though?
more than enough room for all the keyboard orders to come
I just shot them a message, we'll see if I can be moved lol
I assume some of the 20k orders are also in batch 2 as well because there's going to be some bulk buyers
80HE 💯
I feel like am order #1 in batch 2 because it shifted on me when i was checking out lol
so hopefully if any batch 1 people cancel, i can have my spot back
but logistically speaking I don't understand why "bulk orders" are in another batch (3+ kb isn't really bulk...)
i think we made the simple decision of normally people order 1 keyboard for themselves 2 at max if its a couple.
Because there is no perfect way to prevent scalping and bulk orders
people scalp wooting kbs? 😄
go check ebay lol
yes
a lot
wootings go for 50% markup in korea
either way the second batch isnt too far out from the first batch
and first batch at this point is full afaik
yeah I think first batch is full no matter what
SHIPPING IS SO EXPENSIVE
But it’s worth it
Same with Poland 
Used ones go for the same price as from Wooting, new ones go for 30~50% more
And people keep writing that it's unavailable here and has to be imported 
THATS usd 40 >:(
welcome to asia fed ex lol
full unless youre a streamer. then we just kick number 20k out. ( this is a joke)
joking (not joking)
What if I'm number 20k and also a streamer
why does it say unknown shipping estimated period for the switches though
because the system doesn't know
damn
🥁
are u guys getting their keycaps ?
Btw with this order you won’t get free switches
just so you know you won't get those free switches in your order
it knows but due to some system limitations it cant be shown
wait why
nope, i have my own
Because it's buy 1 get one 1 free for switches, not free switches no matter what
the offer for free switches is buy 1+ pack get 1 free. the configurator has some bugs with this system
we will manually fix all orders that dont adhere to the rule
so basically i have to add another pack of switches
yeah if you buy module and want free pack you need to choose one pack
you will likely get an influx of messages freaking out about their orders coming with no switches because i bet a lot of people thought the switches are free
and it needs to be the 90 pieceds pack i assume ?
well yeah otherwise you don't have enough switches lol
it needs to be a pack from the configurator correct
i will get now yes?
that would be a valid order yes
Do you have keycaps?
i have keycaps at home yes
ceramic ones but idk if i still wanna use them lol
cerakeys
Ok then you wont be stuck with a keyboard that doesnt have keycaps 
honestly they kinda suck ;
The cerakeys look very nice on the website
trash keycaps ngl
so if you buy the module one you don't get free keycaps damn
But they dont come in iso so i cant use them anyway
ceramickeys might give you issues, particularly hthe space bar
yup
If you buy iso you also dont get free keycaps
If you pay for a pack of switches to match the preassembled one, you do
But the price of the board will be lower
I would get a pack of wooting abs keycaps its like 13 bucks
rather than deal with the headache of ceramic keycaps
ur right
I got my gmk ready to go for the 80he
wait what, i didn't notice this. Damn. missed out on free keycaps.
Nothing free. The prices all match up
Yes because I want to see how good Wooting quality is compared to the one I have from glorious atm. ( I did buy a prebuild )
Wooting keycaps are really good imo. If it wasn't for my addiction to custom designs, i'd have never replaced them.
it says on my order thatt i have the abs keycaps in order, i don't remember selecting it hmmh 🤔
Switches are not keycaps?
I've been looking for keycaps these past few days and the resonance r2 seems compelling
I have such a small amount of keycap picks because of German layout
if i get the prebuilt, it comes with L45 v2, and then i get another L45 v2 for free?
Comes with 60, you get a pack of free 45

I hope wooting release custom keycap sets for the 80he like the take control that were created for the 60he
I picked jade and I could choose between them

German layout 
based
oh yeah

I mean you could use it on the 80he and just have like blanks for the rest
That could work
Would it look trash?
Idk it would probably be fine
i thought the prebuild comes already with switches and ISO
If you get a black case and black blank keycaps for the rest that doesnt come in take control
Okay now we're just throwing around random words.
Preassembled : L60 Switches preinstalled
Module : In parts, no switches included at all
ANSI : Black PBT Keycaps preinstalled
ISO : No keycaps included at all
I thought the iso comes with the glorp preinstalled or will i have to install it myself and take out the blorg
But what if I got ISO Switches to go with my L60 keycaps
How many keys do I get if I buy the L45?
90 switches in the packs for the 80HE
got it boss 🫡
And how many keys does the 80HE have
Start counting.

I think I would get more keys then there would fit in so what happens with the rest?
You put them back into the container?
what
256 if you suck at counting and count some switches over and over without noticing
Use them as spares Ig
Aren’t they prebuilt?
Sigh...

emder wtf
Anything prebuilt includes only what is on the board. Separate items includes... well the contents of that item 😄
i cant decide if i should get the zinc alloy or just plastic casing lol
Mansen can i get my switches in a module too? I want the top and bottom housing to be in separate packaging and i‘d like to harvest the springs from an old mattress
I was curios
go for the zinc
Zinc alloy 
White 
fine
The ADHD special
Plastic frost
zinc white is something else if youre willing to pay that much
I got ghost plastic and zinc white
right, the ghost looks lowkey sick
but it looks so good
i got just black plastic, dont like ghost
im broke
I will prbly buy the zinc later but I wanted to have a frost
are you me 😄 what color keycaps did you get
none. I have my own lol
he has the best collection of Waifu caps, ask him

Do both the plastic and zinc case have rubber risers?
Yes
Ordered my 80he tonight in white zinc alloy 😎
Welcome to the club
I ordered pearl white spray paint for my uwu's brass bottom
3 weeks and it still hasn't arrived 
ah hmm
Isnt it coming with 80he
Spray paint? I doubt it 
Who else thinks it'll get delayed?
Already was 
Founders' campaign was moved
yeah we moved the campaign to integrate community feedback on the design
yea those arrows looked gross
Why are the "weekly" updates not available in a blog version?
does the software for wooting boot up on start like steelseries does? i want to reduce the bloatware
wooting software is just a web page if you want it to be. you can download the software like a regular app also. you can choose if you want to open the software on startup using task manager
^ basically if you don't want software on the computer you can just use the web version and never install anything
i've had so many firmware update issues with my apex pro.. i'm ready to throw it against the wall and order a wooting
It only runs when you want to.
Please, be welcome to do so, but recycle it please then ♻️
yes, i certainly will. Plus steelseries puts overlays on games with their software, which i hate
And luckily it didn't kill your keyboard, it maybe did crash your oc sometimes because it can happen but can also literally just wipe your kb
If wootong ever come out with a mouse and headphones with the same web software style I’ll buy them too.
wow really? it can actually fuck up a peripheral like a kb?
Hepoend for some apex pro users when updating the firmware for enabling rapid trigger
Optimum for example, he has two, one of them is just dead
Mouse maybe, but headphones definitely not, it's a completely different industry
"kill your keyboard"
What
It's like if a house making company is going towards car manufacturing
A software overlay isn't going to harm your PC or your hardware. What in the actual nine hells are you smoking
At worst it's going to trip anti-cheat protections for a game or crash it.
After trying to update it, they just didn't turn on afterwards, the kb, for me that sounds like an assassination
You're mixing things up.
It made peoples PC restart
Just like valorant makes mine blue screen sometimes when I'm starting it up
An overlay has nothing to do with "updating your hardware"
Two completely different topics.
Just rebadge a decent set and have good software, I’m not fussy about gaming headphones. hell I use SS atm lol
Yeah I know, I don't know how to say it, but when trying to update the apex pro thing to enable Rapidtrigger etc and them enabling it it did not work etc
Then for me it won't be a Wooting headphone, they always did everything from the beginning, juste rebadging won't make it a Wooting product for me, it's just my opinion
I stopped using ss gg software, and stop buying their shit. Just changed my aerox 3 for a beastx and i will buy an audeze maxwell to replace my arctis 7.
Yeh I won’t be buying again. The software is just so damn awful
Imagine having to use software for headphones smh
The engine 3 worked really well, not perfect but was good. But im just tired of adware and bloatware.
Ho yeah, best choice you can do for a Bluetooth headphones (don't have this BT sound, they really sound like wired ones), and for gaming it's so good and the mic from what I heard isn't bad. The Maxwell I mean
But if you have gigantic ears or are sensitive to heavily headphones then maybe I can get uncomfortable at the beginning, I didn't have any issues and was instantly rocking it like 10h a day for a whole week (in one single charge too btw 😂😂😂it's just ridiculous to this point the battery)
My best buy in years really, with my blue light glasses
I was thinking between the Beyerdynamic MMX200 or the Maxwell, but the battery life is the double and sound/mic quality seems better for just 50$ extra, so a no brainer
i like my mmx200s
Maxwell’s aren’t very comfortable for longer sessions. That’s something to keep in mind
Yeah, the mmx200 looks really cool, and on my setup could look really nice
mmx200 can also get a bit hot. but maybe simply fixed by using the other beyerdynamic earpads
That's my principal concern, they are like 150gr heavier than the mmx200. I think that i can deal with it. Other reason for me to choose the Maxwell is the battery replacement, seems pretty straight forward to do. No solder required
Is the mmx200 good because I've heard that most beyerdynamic are meh in term of sound ?
The earpad change is required in both cases, i really liked arctis earpads, really comfortable
All gaming headsets are a scam. Wired headphones + seperate mic will always be better and cheaper.
Yeah for a bluetooth, the Maxwell is king if you can deal with the weight. I’m using a Beyerdynamiv Tygr with a mod mic and it’s perfect. EQ’d it to sound more neutral and I love it.
Sure, but im not a audiophile in any sense, i just dont want to deal with cables. Wireless headphones are part of my lifestyle, just move freely and can talk with friends while moving around the house.
I wanted a mic boom in from of my mouth. And no sepera5 mic on my desk
Same
Honestly if you are willing to get a standalone mic (even something like the Antlion Modmic) I cant recommend something like the DT 990 Pro or the 900 Pro X enough
Current setup is the DT 900 Pro X with the Wave:3. Amazing combo.
But yeah cables 🤷♂️
Ohhhhh ty bro, really nice information
Lmao Wooting video dropped explaining how to get your role 

What switches are people planning to try? I may get some Wuque Studio WS Dash switches to compare between the two switches that come with the pre-order.
Wait what
Well giving link to video is faster
Teach a man to fish. Besides you already have your roles.
wait u can get 80he role?
No sadly only the 77.5% role 
The 80 is a lie!!!!
nooooo
77.5HE sounds way better anyways 
I'm sorry if this is a stupid question but is this just an RGB strip or can you actually interact with it?
It has functionality
that's awesome
okay followup - my Two has the dedicated mode selector buttons, how do you switch modes on the 80?
nevermind, I answered my own question.
I've wanted to change my order for Jade switches but have not yet got a response since I made the order on drop day. Im not able to cancel my order and reorder either
We don't know its functionality just yet
are lekker 60 v2 better or lekker 45 v2
Preference. 45's are slightly lighter to type on.
ok thanks
You're getting both.
anyone know where we can go to claim our roles for FE?
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thanks. just ordered mine but its not in my account? im assuming it takes time to update? tried transferring order using sam email and order number but getting errors
Wait an hour. 🙂
What batch you are in
NA champion?
champion 
what are the perks for buying the 80he, I bought it but dont see anything
nevermind I found, but how would I verify to get the role?
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Thank you, ill check it out
whats new about the l60 v2?
thats odd my 80he order doesnt pop up
How long does the system take to notice I ordered? Tried my email and said it doesn’t recognize any order
About an hour.
yeah same!
Gotcha. Thank you!
so ill just wait as well
I got an email asking to create an account just as an FYI so it’s linked
Just gotta wait for the role
I think they said it has better tolerances. That's about it.
good for you
Boom
NICE
ye, I made my acc (didnt before) and my 60he was already linked, but my 80he ( I just ordered 5 minutes before that ) so ill wait a bit before asking anything
once the 60he delivered to my house I saw the email for the 80he 😭 I was so happy yet sad at the same time
Fr ^
I am a patient man
Will we have to reserve a username to put on the site for the wooting 80he or will it be our first and last names?
Username of your choise
Nice
kinda weird the founders campaing ends in 3 days and we still havent had an official knob reveal
knob?
Have to break it to you but there may be no knob
I don't think there is
A man can dream
I'm more interested about the LED bar above the arrow keys.
blink
The knob project is official and you don’t need to repurchase the 80he, but we don’t know when it’s coming
Where can I find this info ?
Well propably 4-6 months after delivery of first batch there would be knob reveal for all HE keyboards
uuh just came in here and that is one great information
Just go through mansens messages history
search for “knob”
Hi, one question just cuz I saw it on yt and wanted to know asap. After ther founders campain will the prices stay the same?
Shortterm, yes
Hey Guys,
Can someone check my order please !
Am i missing something ?
Thanks to you 🙂
Prices may change longterm - And you no longer receive the free switch pack
The free switch is with every order right now?
just the 80he
is it true you get a travel case when ordering zinc alloy case? cant see it on the check out page
i think not if ou get the module and the zinc case
Ooh ok
same here i heard so
One per customer who buys an 80HE, and pays for a pack of switches.
Preassembled includes switches, so you already paid for them. Module requires you to pay for a pack to get a free pack.
Thanks!
its not free with the 60he module, but is discounted at like 50% i think
ah yea i see
Yeah you get a travel case with the zinc case even if it doesn’t say so in the order
i think and hope so
But yeah same here no travel case listed
Travel case doesn't appear. But is included with every zinc case.
just ordered my 80he, can't wait !! will be my first wooting keyboard
good luck waiting for it a few months 
anyway 
i did it on the first day because since i heard of the wooting 60he i wanted it as a "80"/75" %
i waited long enough so this bit wont hurt anymore 
Actually it is 77.5%
i know, what i meant is that i didn't mind which kind 75 80 inbetween i wanted it
Does the 80he come with the little strap that the 60he has on the side?
it doesnt
yeah would be weird if you would like to have 1.06 % keyboard
Old topic, but I'm in the same boat. There are very few options for the ISO ES layout, none of them PBT and backlit. So having wooting make them would be great if they are already making other ISO layouts that share most of the keycaps
idk you guys are banned from ali or you just doesn't like to wait that much?
Ali Spanish pbt keycaps aren't backlit, I've been searching and found 1 that I like but there aren't many options and a lot aren't 100% correct
Ik it's just not my topic about how ISO ES keycap should look like haven't seen them ever in my life so I would be scammed if i had to buy one
Big enter, ñ ç and some variations in the symbol layout
I doubt it's gonna take that long and even if we consider that time span they should have revealed it during the campaing
on my order it says August is the estimated batch which is 4 month 😉
Im talking about a knob attachment that would release after the first 80he batch
ooh i thought he was refering to the person saying they just ordered their first wooting (80 HE)
Why do Spanish keyboards have ç?
Good question, never used it myself
Just got my wooting 60HE+ now I understand what all the hype is about. This thing is butter smooth. Got it and immediately modded it. Never going back.
Hmm
Oh shit, I just noticed the abs spanish wooting keycaps are wrong, they are missing { and }
I also want to buy keycaps for mine. Don't like the default ones.
And [ ] too oh no
how often are you looking at your keyboard when you r typing?
I know the layout so I don't need special characters on my keycaps at all
so I'm not considering buying any additional keycaps even tho wooting doesn't have it
that is also true, but I would prefer if they were correct
I often do it.
Nordic layout is a cluttered mess.
It's not specific to a language but several which is why.
I never really look at it when I'm typing.
dang
@buoyant solstice did you tell someone that south facing is not good on wooting pcb?
The opposite in fact.
I tell people that it isn't necessary in 99.9% of cases with our switches, because they've been designed to work both orientations.
ok i have to scold this guy then, thanks.
Ultimately south facing works - But you do lose most of the LED light as a consequence.
Live your dream.
Because there are multiple wooting videos and ive even asked some of the team about it
gg i failed u
The only thing you really need to be aware of is the ISO enter switch. It's rotated 90" and putting that switch north or south will almost guaranteed shatter the LED for good. Gotta do West or East accordingly so to speak.
yeah
one thing i always wondered is why not just make PCBs universal and with software turn off iso or ansi enter
maybe im backseat coding here tho
I believe this is down to physical limitations. Can't fit both ANSI and ISO sensors and LEDs together like you can with 3/5pin switches (because those are just holes, nothing presoldered)
o.O in the premounted keyboard i hope that's already proper done
ahhh, but you are saying if there were no LEDs this could be a thing
maybe im just an anti rgb shill but thatd be sick
This is only a problem if you pop off the switch and don't put it back in correctly.
With the modules, we include a piece of paper specifically warning you 😄
why are they always straight lines not curved
you mean the solder tracing in the pcb?
i hope ou guys relise how many ppl ignore it and will literly think its wrongly mounted HAHA
i think this is just the most simple way to do stuff, since PCBs have more layers
That's on them. We don't cover user error - We do warn folks 😄
gonna northface my enter key now
It's not about the layers, it's about distance horizontally.
Case in point 
stick the paper under the switch of the iso enter HAHA 😛 at least than its really user problem

yes
id assume its because they already have the equipment to manufacture them that way
It is only in iso?
Only ISO has this quirk, because of the big, L sized enter key
Wrong? Wrong how?
Here is shown correct and wrong. But how I remember it is possible to mount it south facing
I don't entirely follow.
This "issue" is on all of our keyboards. All of our keyboards are designed for north facing switches.
ISO will always have this rotated switch quirk.
How janky is just using Cherry Brown switches these days?
You have lost me completely.
Sorry
the 80he looks amazing, but my lekker still slaps hard
suffering from success
Which lekker
is there more than one? 😮
the one from a few years ago, the full size lekker
They're referring to the "Lekker Edition", which was a sort of special edition kickstarter for the 2HE. It had a special colour scheme and keycaps. Never made again.
the free switch pack is very tempting
Ok I've found all the errors in the ISO ES ABS layout from wooting (12 keycaps are incorrect wtf), who should I ping to take a look at it?
Green yellow and white?
make a post in #1141096226884956181
aight tysm
man i really want to see a full build with the frost case
Just ordered the 80HE! Do you guys have any concerns about weird LED light diffusion and like "mixing of colors" from each key's LED and the LED light bar?
I'm talking about on the PCR "Ghost" semi-translucent case.
This is not kickstarter. No need for concerns. 20k people just showed you the confidence. But the truth is that none of our words will matter if the results isn’t as you have envisioned. So in the end it’s a risk and a leap of faith to Wooting
If anything, I got the Ghost case too so we’re in the same boat
i don't see either
Better to resell the keyboard 🤣
even thzen if sold out 0 risk 😉
the risk i took is buying cherry keycaps without knowing if they might get interferences or not
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAppmiG484k
but o well there are solutions to that and im not talking about turning the switches because i want the led to shine..
I wanted to talk about how new innovations in the keyboard space solved one of the biggest problems for beginners. North facing switches can finally sound good with cherry profile keycaps.
Switches used:
-#Gateron Black Ink V2- https://prevailkeyco.com/collections/gateron-switches/products/gateron-ink-black-v2?variant=42248379465982
-Gateron B...
i wanna see what the frost looks prebuilt before i order
just relised frost = platic forgett what i wrote 😉 plastic is way cheaper in the first order
You probably have more chance of being hit by lightning than keycap interference these days, and in that case it's probably a sign you'll win the lottery. If you don't get burnt to a crisp
If you pre-ordered the module and parts do you not get the founder role? Is it only prebuilt exclusive?
Any 80HE purchased before Monday afternoon
so it's actually 8khz
does it just take a while for the rewards to show up on the website, because i preordered 2 weeks ago and it still shows nothing
damn
now I wonder if that was a mistake ordering wooting 60he
cus of no white abs option they actually got me thinking to get the zinc white
there goes my food for a week
wtf it's like someone saw this and gave them to me lol
they just showed up online after that last message
i just saw a vid of the nuphy keyboard and one thing came to my mind.. look at the slim and nice RGB LED bar just saying..
at least i get the keyboard around my birthday
same
I cannot wait any longer !!!
You have to
Unfortunately
i have no doubt we'll be able to turn the led bar off
either way i'm not bothered about the bleed from the bar, i ordered the ghost case too, i know what im getting into, its just the nature of a translucient case, the whole thing will have some kind of bleed from leds
what i really want is that black speckle case they orginally showed
ofcourse you can
Actually you can only turn it up further, every time you try to turn it off it goes up in brightness until it‘s brighter than the sun
thats just bad design, if i try to turn the brightness down what should happen is it absorbs all of the light in the room like a black hole or something
Yeah where do you think all that light goes 🙄
It all goes to me
only 1 person is allowed their led bar on at a time
mum said its my turn on the led bar
what mean 77.5%?
Because actually 80he is 77.5%
a full sized keyboard is 100% in comparison
so the 80he is 77,5%
ah i see
Is it compatible with this?
yes
Yea, I mean Wooting seems to have a good track record, here's to hoping the LED "light bleed" in the translucent cases don't end up being a jumbled mess due to some oversight in design. I only got the "Ghost" case cuz I got suckered into the "Limited Edition" label 😅
True, but I actually want to use the LED bar, though I'm still not sure what the purpose of it is for.
Yes
I mean worst case you get some premium keycaps that dont have shine through and you turn rgb off
wait the ghost case is limited edition? I didn't even notice haha
It said so on the order page but i got it cause i think it looks sick
a few ideas off the top of my head: profile indicators, modifier key layers (colour coding which layers your button combo uses), actuation point visualisation
im pretty certain having the bar turned off will still have it activate when its relevent like to the ideas above
Well, I'm mainly worried about like the edges of the keyboard case being a jumbled mess, not like around each keycap. But anyway, I don't care too much about RGB so I guess I'll just deal with whatever comes.
Yea those are reasonable expectations
Eh it should be fine
Also tbh, setting rgb to anything other than having them all be one color at the same time is a bit of a gimmick
The rainbow flying by shit is honestly just ugly and distracring
rainbow wave is nice if theres a setting to have it go by really slowly imo
majority of the time i have it on colour cycle though
i am so excited for my wooting to come cuz then i will actuallly have a "gaming" kb instead of a broken office kb
hi
If I remove the "80HE Founder's Campaign Free Switch Pack" from my cart, I'll still get the other founders perks right?
U don't want free switches?
why would you remove it?
anyone else already a part of the founders campaign but still getting cta emails to join?
i am but on a different email, signed up for news on 1 acc, bought the 80HE on another
I just a quick question what’s the difference between the wooting 60He and the 80HE apart from size. Is there any new features?
the lil LED bar for one
plastic/metal case, lekker v2, internal mounting, 8k, led bar, modular shiny knob(pending) and piss yellow name
Will alt case colours (i.e. Ghost ABS) be available after closing of founders campaign, or are they exclusive? I can’t seem to find it specified.
Not really no
Why would I ask them to produce and ship me something I'll never use? That's just wasteful
sell them?
pretty sure the current options will remain but without the founders' perks, such as freebie switches
i will take them 🤣
I live in the middle of nowhere, it's way too much hassle to deal with that 💀
personally im keeeping the extra set because if anything happens to the set it comes with i have a free replacemnt
Is the rappy snappy feature only available in the 80?
knob?? since when??
it's been leaked for a while but no real details
Knob would be sick imo
agreed
im excited to see wootings take on the knob
.
Mainly new p2w tchnology on the 80, it will be THE keyboard for years to come

Not sure why people are so hyped on knobs, there are several high quality keyboard dedicated for creative purposes with knobs and balls here’s an example
Just purchased 80HE how do I get the role?
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I ordered the raw but hoping it's not too polished / shiny - if so will probably try and swap to the white prebuilt. Either way very excited!
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cheers for the vid - just joined the wooing80HE presale club!
g4u
Hello, How to check if certain switches like the Boba U4Tx is compatible with Wooting 80HE specifically for its Hall Effect functionality?
The only compatible switches are other hall effect switches such as the gateron jades or the geon raptors and even out of those only a limited amount are supported by the wooting
Oh.... is there any url that I can see the list of supported switches by wooting?
Found this image of frost assembled on reddit, probably from twitter or something
because nobody wants a 1000€ pro device just to control volume lmao
the worthwhile ones are gateron jade, ks-20u, lekkers and geon raptors
The price some knob devices go for.. You'd think they'd be in the same market
Yeah idk why knobs are so expensive, like I just need a few knobs to conrol volume of a few different apps, why does that need to be hundreds of dollars
Are there any caps lock indicator on 80he? - or is there a way to light up certain keys when caps lock is on?
You know that some custom keyboard are right up there at 1k. The reason these Fine and Coarse Adjustment Knobs cost a lots of money is because of the mechanical engineering. You can control the volume just fine with a press of the key atm.
Probably will be the same as the 60he
I feel that most people wanting cheap knobs are just at the beginning of their “analog feeling “ journey. Kind of like how some people like a swim at the pool while others venture deep down into the ocean to discover it’s beauty.
the latter
Thank you sir
or we just want knobs and you don't
When you're enough into audio you don't need to worry about the lack of knobs
Just the lack of money in your bank account 
I keep it budget. The diminishing returns are too severe with audio
And even then, as soon as you get a proper amp you have knobs
but one knob on an amp =/= multiple knobs on something like a beacn mix or stream deck +
Yea but could keyboard knobs even function as those
no, but they could function for other things.
But im happy with just one knob on a keyboard, I don't need a million ones.
hi
Like?
I want a knob, but it has to be elegant designed and of high quality. I have not seen anything that has come close to it in the custom keyboard space.
Well said.
Whatever that even means
Keyboard knobs typically use encoders not pots if that makes the difference to you
Right, you can’t even express your feelings. Try out the knobs on a production mixer or the Black magic pad that I posted above for reference. You have to separate between the tactical feeling when you turn the knob. And what the knob does. When I say design, I mean both the way the knob feels when turning it and the technology that is behind it. For a knob it would be resolution. How much you need to turn before it register an action, and how that action feeds back to you.

Since we live in a digital world. You should be able to adjust it yourself your heart content
brightness
Ok, those probably are just (dampened) pots, which don't make much sense on a keyboard
Precisely because they are NOT digital

that was me just trolling lmao
Stream Deck + uses are way too numerous to list
What do you mean?
Pots are just a variable resistor, they aren't digital
Right, then pots is a no go 🙅♂️
it's funny how you make demands but got no clue what you actually want
bruh why it says estimated august 😦 i tought it was july
late july/early august if all goes well
I do know what I want , but I don’t demand a company to make what I want. For example. I waited 3 years for 80HE to happen. While wooting and others said the 60HE is good enough. Size matters and this campaign shows the interest compared to the 60HE. ( ofc we need to factor in that Wooting is more well known than 3years ago)
You pretend like you know sales numbers?
knoooob knob knob
Does purchasing 80he Module include USBC cables, sponges, soft glue and other materials?
Considering who wooting got popular with the 60he was the better decision at that time
PORON foam, for example, can make the keyboard feel more comfortable
I think wooting did a great job at judging the market when they launched the 60HE. But you can’t deny the difference between sub 1298 founders to 20k founders atm.
Typically just used to change the sound
you can make a gasket mounting with poton, but with how the 80he works you would need a custom case and plate for that
Don’t think you can really compare 60he launch vs 80he launch just by numbers like that - wooting is in completely different position vs back then
yea the 60he sure is a big part of their current standing
It seems that we need to wait 4 months. There will be businessmen in our country making suitable accessories for 80he.
I personally don't think they would have gotten to the same position with the 80HE (not saying it is an objectively worse keyboard or layout)
80he is kinda building on the success of the 60he as everyone who saw and wanted a wooting 60he might have waited and wanted a different layout
F1-F12 is important for some games
60he got them into fps games and fps gamers tend to like 60% (not all but a lot)
So it’s hard to say really if 80he would have had same impact
especially the fortnite scene that was stuck between the one 2 mini and higher performance boards like the apex pro
No cap i wanted to get the 80HE if i hadnt gotten the 60HE 😂 but i chose the 60HE cuz it won me over with the size
Can't decide between Ghost and Frost case 🥲
Ghost case Boom done
I think the pro scene made this popular
later on, yea
It did with a lot of other streamers who uses wooting
dang! thanks for the input
but at that point the 60he was already very popular in the fortnite scene
Yeah and pros are heavy keyboard tilters which tends to skew towards 60%
some people are insane to do the Full cross LOL
No need to argue over this matter. I have stated many times it’s a journey like in HiFi or any other hobby. You get introduced by one thing, then discover the next. If wooting did not launched the 80he but a 60HE v2. The response would not have been this great. If wooting launched a full sized 3HE it wouldn’t have been this popular either. That’s fact
Coincidentally enough tenz was talking about 80he vs 60he today on stream and mentioned how he’s in the minority of pros who prefers 80%/75% over the 60%
The 60HE is good as it is + No PC can get to 8KHZ for keyboards besides mouse, if you ask me the upgrade should be the switches
8khz keyboard is much less of a task tbh
not even sure how big of an impact it would be performance wise vs a 1khz keyboard
Its gonna be an ATLEAST 10% increase
Also facts
K70 PRO MINI WIRELESS 8khz
cause the amount of actual useful packages would be the same
UNLESS the PC youre running has upgraded stuff and the motherboard can do a fast R and W I can be wrong in this
Is it real 8k though 🤣
8khz 1k scan rate prob
the performance impact of 8khz boards is more when you have multiple 8khz polled devices on 1 USB controller/hub
if that controller is 3.0 I doubt it matters much
For god sake we are still only using USB 2.0 with the usb c in 80HE. So there’s plenty of rooms for development
For computer parts yea
in theory yes but in practice idk if they bothered to actually implement it well enough to the spec as 8khz is still sort of new
Or is it USB 3.0 @upbeat berry
well the next step would be interrupt based usb3 comms.
nay usb2 or usb1.1 depending on interface/speed
I will be onboard for that journey
We all will
thats... not saying anything lol
so its 1khz polled over wireless and 8khz over wire
doesnt mention anything about internal key scanrate
Probably 1k or less 
Id assume at least 1k right?
i can make a keyboard and call it 8k
Just look at Playstation 5. It got 8k on the box. But no one is bashing them for not delivering on it.
At least its technically capable of 8k
If it’s traditional switch, technically only on first press. Debounce is required.
Otherwise, technically only possible if they also designed the scanning method for it. Can’t always make a change there that is only software
I was talking about the PS5 in comparison to the keyboard, so yeah I agree
The item at the bottom just got added into my order, is this a bug?
Hm weird. My name brother
lmao social@wooting.io
No. It is the bundle item for combining the lube and toolkit with a discount.
so just a duplicate?
will we see weekly update video today =)? or no info yet?
I remember on the xbox series X it said 4k 120fps on the box and I laughed my ass off😂
Just ordered the 80he in the zinc alloy case with white key caps, already have the 60he+. I think I’m starting an addiction… I can’t even afford this fr lol
perhaps you should consider selling the one you prefer less later on
that’s a good choice tbh. I think I will do that
Don´t worry Wooting only release new product every 3 years. Plentiful of time to save up until next drop

Hello everyone
As of today, we have 21k 80HE already ordered. Do you guys think Wooting will be able to mass-produce all the keyboards by mid-July? Not only that, but they will also need to ship all of them.
I'm starting to wonder about this. I would consider myself lucky if I receive the keyboard before Christmas.
I was wondering if the plastic case could be available in opaque white and not that transparent like
I wouldn't worry about that 
They're scaling operations pretty well
Maybe in the future, if there will be enough people interested
they've been shipping a metric ton of 60he already
And they still keep selling out 
Thx for responding, another thing that I was wondering was, what if I want to buy a case for the 80he, are there sites or shops that sells case?
The only thing that can delay the delivery is the shipping. Unless we´re going into WW3 we´re good. I keep bashing about it. But this is not a kickstarter nor is it a indigogo campaign
Currently no, but there may be 3rd party cases in the future though, as Wooting does share their design files for everyone to use 
Ty very much 🙏
Is the travel case always in each order with a zinc alloy case? 🧐
Is it better to lube the switches and stabilzers yourself or is the factory lubing that good that it isn’t necessary? BadSeed Tech said this but I‘m not sure. I‘m still new in this hobby. 😅
That doesn’t help me either 😅
No one can answer that question for you. They either feel good when you have it in hand, or they do not.
my Wooting 77.5% came with a time capsule - pretty sweet innit 
if only it was a wooting

That box is cool af
Id eat it
I have purchased Wooting 80HE now, will you give me some discount codes?
I feel like if you have to ask it's probably not going to bother you keeping them stock 😂
Stock lubing is more than adequate 
No, that's not what I meant. There was a translation error.
whats the polling rate of the 60he
1k
o wow thats a big dif
1khz same as the internal key matrix scanrate
1k to 8k thats a big dif right?
In terms of the number yes. In real world difference absolutely not.
oh i see
Discord discount (0% off)
If your´re a noobe in the hobby, everything new or different is good. The more time you spend fiddling with your keybord and change things up, the more you learn. In time you will develope your own preference. This hobby is all about you. You´re embaring on a journey to discovery the keybord of your life.
Isn‘t this the new product from KBDfans?🤔
yeah shame about the price though, my $10 Casio watch would look baller inside
which switches did u pick?
?
nvmd
I know that feeling lol
Still no reply after 5 days
Correct. You're asking us to change an 80HE order - Which is very low on our priority list, because these are pre-orders and not as time sensitive as other tickets.
We'll process 80HE order edits as soon as we're able to.
omagad
The refunds and other things probably more important lol
Lol it's like the least important thing yeah, the keyboards are not in production still, ad on the other hand there are people with packages being held by customs which can be sent back etc 😂
Yep, took 8 business days in my case to get a reply for an edit request. They were quick and easy to work with once the process started.
okay
4days
Welp I guess I’m bad at guessing what’s more important lmao
Btw would be sick if they made a travel case for the 80he but include a bit of extra space for a mouse
hello
When did Wooting start imposing taxes in the United States?
Pretty sure it's defined by the state of delivery
i ordered mine even tho my 60he is perfectly fine i just wanted to join the club 🫣
im so exited for my 80he to come
same melvin same
Is there an easy way to test the 8k? I will have a USB 3.2 switch in between as I am switching between work/personal computers. Or will the software react accordingly if it doesn't get an 8k acknowledgement?
I know, but do I find out...if I set 8k, whether 8k is also running at the end or can somehow only be sent internally at 1k?
I think the question will come up and it would be advantageous if the software could show this accordingly.
Shit.. it was tax free last month when i placed 60he
there is an app that shows polling of the keyboard, not sure if it will show 8k but i guess it will
I kinda forgot that other brands exist
what do you think they will call it
Will be interesting to see if they do, because rappy snappy is patent pending 
I'm having trouble getting my 0% Discord Discount working.
Did you try turning it off an back on again?
No I unplugged it and plugged it back in
submitted my order, so excited!! Ive been wanting a 75%+ from wooting since their 60he release
is it June yet?
I was a bit late in my preorder so im only Late July
oof yeah im kinda bummed how far back it is but hopefully its worth the wair
Oh yea I think it is July for me too
and it only being half as good LOL
true but thats also because razer never used HE before
theyre still using optical lmao
My goods are lost and I won’t be refunded when I contact customer service. What should I do?
😭
ask your creditcard provider for a refund
I can only wait for wooting to refund
they snatched yo money
and now hopefully yo bank can fully commission it 😂🤦
Customer service has not responded to my email for two days.
My goods were also lost on the road
😭
yeah just call the bank make a claim
they should send the money in a day
My bank can't refund me either
oh tuff
It may take a bit longer than 2 days, up to around a week, for support to respond
It's just there's a lot of tickets after 80he release...
who's ur provider? @frank pebble
Woke up an hour ago 
Eating now

Today I slept at most 20 minutes anyways
2.5 hours of overtime 
My visa credit card is special. I can only make purchases by charging money into it first.
So it can't refund me now
you can sleep later time for some gaming
But it seems they don't work on weekends, so I have to wait until next week.
l
wtf
Anyone pick out keycaps and if so which ones curious to see the vibes others are going for
Teleport set with pale yellow ascents
someone in wootstations has the keycaps and deskmat im looking to buy, https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1225502532428894409
- blue white cable
thought about it but dont want to risk the issues with third party cables
my apple and moonlander c to c cables work but idk
well in germany you order if it doesent work you send back don't know about your country though
and paypal is protecting quite well too
Looks cozy and nice with the light blue cable
thanks that's my intend 🙂
@buoyant solstice As the Founder Campaign will soon be over...I'm wondering, since we unfortunately still don't have any final videos/pictures of the cases... can we still change the color of the case in a few weeks? If major changes are made to the pre-orders, then changes to the delivery times are probably to be expected or not? Ty
Yes - You will still be able to change orders for a while still.
We will eventually reach a point where we've set in stone how much of each case etc... we're doing for each batch. So some changes may force a change to a later batch.
Ty @buoyant solstice
should most people get the 80 around June correct?
June? haha no. Late July/August has always been the estimate for the first batch.
I meant July yeah sorry
dude, so no weekly video this week too ?
I refer to what Calder said in the previous one.
what he said ?
That they won't be doing a video this week while they prioritize working on the 80he
yea thats true but i just dont want to bother with the import duties :p
maybe ill get one, no clue
Actually with customized goods (like custom cables) they can legally deny returns
same here actually i totally forgot about that
https://youtu.be/cqSAnsX7QgA listen to the first 40 seconds
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i dont think so but maybe idk
This is a prototype version of the frost
No picture yet with the rgb right
That board looks like it has rgb built into the board I doubt the frost would be as bright as that
ngl this looks clean
Hey could anyone clarify the main pros/cons of the zinc vs the plastic casing?
Im having trouble making a decision lol so any opinions on what you guys like would be appreciated
The simple comparison would be the Zinc will be heavier and more durable (Should sound better, but that is preference)
The plastic will be lighter, less durable, and cheaper
I see, so then there wouldn't be too much of an impact on acoustics or typing experience since thats mostly up to the keycaps and switches right?
actually i like the ampend sound of plastic the hardcases always gibve it a clean lout crispyer sound wich i don't like
Yeah exactly, the sound debate is subjective. And no the case does play a decent role in sound. At least in my experience.
Also the Zinc case is gonna be HEAVY
I think they said 4kg after everything is installed?
Not 4kg
Maybe im trolling, it was pretty heavy
Yeah so just over 2kg
Lol as I was typing, I was like I think I'm wrong, let's put a disclaimer on that 
it just feels good whilke typing not worth the money if your not sure about it simply because you can always buy it later for almost the same price 10$ more




