🌟│wooting80he

[unreal ice]

thank u good man

[safe tundra]

In my bleary, pre-coffee brain... I read this as "Gluten Morgen" and couldn't make any sense of the joke.... but didn't even question it.

[buoyant solstice]

Gluten morgen meine spelt bollen

https://tenor.com/view/try-again-mah-bread-boi-cat-bread-steal-gif-15322282

[pastel hare]

14k pre orders 🤯

[dim sierra]

20k goal pls buy more

[buoyant solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-one-jillion-dollars-auction-gif-19934480

[winged birch]

https://youtu.be/iPm99KHpPiY?si=7fN0DkjDsW-ReP8_

[spark hound]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPm99KHpPiY

on my screen i am faster

[winged birch]

slow kid

[sullen sand]

The 60HE+ just supports screw in stabilisers, there's no performance change in the keyboard

[winged birch]

“MisKellaneous questions”

I love the guy man

[pastel hare]

He seems a lot less stressed

[buoyant solstice]

[valid comet]

Oh another thing to mention, the 80HE does have 5 LEDs under the space bar on ANSI, and ISO. JIS has 3 IIRC because it has a shorter space bar, correct me if im wrong :)

[spark hound]

dont @ me

[zealous oak]

I would be happy if raw zinc will end up looking like that

[buoyant solstice]

(As previously seen... here... in this very channel)

[zealous oak]

Ooops, just joined again so I did not see that

[buoyant solstice]

[trail flint]

How do i get the wooting 80he title?

[pliant basin]

Did you link your Discord too your Wooting account?

[sullen sand]

You have to clap your hands 3 times while doing a handstand

Also if you're creating a Wooting hub account after your order you'll have to wait a few hours for it to update with your rewards which you can then link to discord and claim

[winged birch]

Correct.

[trail flint]

Now i have but i ordered the wooting 80he by Quick order without my email lol

[blazing totem]

how much will it take for the 80he to ship

[valid comet]

Late july or august

[blazing totem]

will I have to wait until july?

[rigid sphinx]

What is the purpose of the discord role anyway?

[valid comet]

Im late july

[sullen sand]

No, the King of Netherlands will post your keyboard only to you by hand next week

[fluid ruin]

juky > july

[trail flint]

Idk it just find it cool

[winged birch]

Bragging rights.

[runic glacier]

is the zinc case worth it or is it just blah blah

[upbeat berry]

can you try again i fixed some stuff in the backend related to this.

[blazing totem]

got it

[valid comet]

I have fat fingers

[rigid sphinx]

Not much of a bragger.

[valid comet]

Hi again Tony, I saw the update video that Calder recorded!

[sullen sand]

The July/August date is an estimated shipping date, it could arrive before, during or after that time... just be patient 🙂

[valid comet]

Good things take time, like my ULX Tiger because its a perfect unit :D

[blazing totem]

can i buy a 60he and use the lekker 2.0 45cn switches on it

[fluid ruin]

big flex

[valid comet]

Been using a G502 Hero for 7 years

[trail flint]

Or razer viper mini signature

[valid comet]

So it was warranted LOL

[lime falcon]

Yes

[blazing totem]

I want to buy one but its out of stock

or a finalmouse ultralight 2

but again, its out of stock

[valid comet]

Yeah the v2s are the same KS-20 switches, just with tighter tolerances, less wobble and better acoustics just overall better

[blazing totem]

so i can swap them out on a 60he

right?

[sullen sand]

yeah but the switches aren't released yet

[valid comet]

I also just use my ULX at 1k 1,600DPI since there is no discrepancy in click latency from 1k to 4k, because at 1k and 2k ghey do some packet sending tech that sends it faster than the polling rate for the cursor, which I think should be a mainstream feature

[sullen sand]

or produced I mean

[blazing totem]

where can i buy one

that is in stock

[sullen sand]

nowhere

Just save yourself $100 and get another lightweight mouse with the same sensor

Which is pretty much every mouse

The only place you'll find stuff like that is on ebay from scalpers

[lime falcon]

u never use 2khz?

[valid comet]

Nah I dont need it too much

Courtesy of optimum

[blazing totem]

or do u know where i can buy a razer viper signature edition that is in stock

[lime falcon]

i would like to see these tests on thorn

[valid comet]

The razer store sells in batches

You have to watch out

[ashen badge]

razer viper good? been using it for a while i think its amazing but just thought it was a cheap lightweight mouse

[unkempt field]

Just placed my order for the 80he, now for the long wait until august 😦

[lime falcon]

i wont tell you the price of it

[valid comet]

RVMSE is good yeah no doubt, as long as youre ok with synapse

[valid comet]

Welcome to the gang

[hard vale]

i use the viper v2 pro and its amazing when u swap out the stock feet for ice

[valid comet]

Garfielf

[unkempt field]

thanks bro. should be a big upgrade from a blackwidow v2 te 😉

[valid comet]

Same with my K70 TKL RGB

[hard vale]

same with my huntsman mini

[unkempt field]

i just want to get rid of synapse

[valid comet]

It says its 220 CAD but I got it for 50% off factory sealed

[unkempt field]

both your keyboards are better than my current one

[valid comet]

https://www.corsair.com/ca/en/p/keyboards/ch-9119014-na/k70-rgb-tkl-champion-series-mechanical-gaming-keyboard-cherry-mx-speed-ch-9119014-na

Thats the board I use that I busted my up arrow on, speed silvers

[unkempt field]

first time i saw wooting was on optimum's channel

[valid comet]

First time I sw it was Chyrosran22

[unkempt field]

ah

[valid comet]

He loves HE switches and so do I

[unkempt field]

kept putting it off, then the 80he came out

[foggy quiver]

I don’t remember if i heard of it from optimum or if thats what made me want it

[valid comet]

Same, but I have been eyeing Wooting since their optical One HE

[foggy quiver]

But it definitely influenced me

[unkempt field]

yea

i cant wait

[violet garnet]

Yes you can

[unkempt field]

i have no choice

my first mechanical was a CM Storm quickfire something

its faulty now

[sullen sand]

You'll notice when you get a Wooting that all those other brand's keyboards are literal scams

Charging $100+ for a basic piece of plastic with no real features

And horrible build quality

[nocturne night]

when it comes to gaming keyboards, literally no other keyboard beats wooting

[sullen sand]

It's like comparing a plastic $30 turtle beach headset vs $500 audiophile headsets

[blazing totem]

The apex pro TKL tho

[nocturne night]

wooting still on top, by quite a margin

[sullen sand]

Still horrible build quality

[valid comet]

Optimum definitely helped my purchasing decision!

[sullen sand]

Every key wobbles, makes awful noises when typing

[unkempt field]

yes optimum influenced me

[zealous oak]

he convinced me too

[unkempt field]

most of my pc is influenced by optimum

[hard vale]

when i spend 300 usd i expect it to beat cheaper options no?

[sullen sand]

You can spend over $200 on some garbage keyboards from Razer etc

[unkempt field]

😄

[nocturne night]

wooting beats other 300 usd options

[unkempt field]

i moved away from razer mice too

[winged apex]

polling rate only affects click latency when the mouse is in motion

[sullen sand]

Also technically it's only $300 because of either a special metal case or other accessories, the base keyboard is like $200, right?

[fluid ruin]

whats wrong with razer mice though?

[unkempt field]

my deathadders keep dying

[sullen sand]

Razer mice are ok

[unkempt field]

maybe its just my luck

[winged apex]

out of the 200+ mice i have had, razer mice last the longest. the only time they have died was human error

[sullen sand]

My backup mouse is a razer for when my main runs out of battery

[fluid ruin]

200+?!!!

[winged apex]

yes

[polar kelp]

[sullen sand]

Bro likes to launch his mice out the window now and then

[zealous oak]

should wooting make a mouse?

[polar kelp]

If they have time, why not

[winged apex]

not till they ship my 80he

[unkempt field]

had the original deathadder, then 3500, then chroma then elite. all failed

[polar kelp]

same

[nova nexus]

"If they have time" lol

[hard vale]

real

[polar kelp]

its a valid reason isnt it?

[nova nexus]

Our aim is to make impactful products that move the market forward.

The mouse market is currently a race to the bottom in price and weight, without any significant innovation of any kind.

Not something we're interested in.

[unkempt field]

interestingly, my mx510 is still alive

[fluid ruin]

What's the point in them making a mouse though? Doesn't seem to me like they have any current technologies that would provide much innovation

[polar kelp]

You are not wrong its currently just painful to watch

[slender light]

what about a floating mouse powered by gamer rage tho

[polar kelp]

Razer Signature mouse on ebay for 700-800€ bucks wtf

[zealous oak]

what about the other bunch of companies, do they offer really different one from another regarding their mices? Most of all are the same

[hard vale]

when new battery tech becomes cheap to produce surely they make a wireless mouse

[winged apex]

i got 2

want one

[unkempt field]

i messed around with the original boomslang a long time ago

[fallen forge]

all the big players feel like they're in a race to the top as far as prices go, somehow it's now normal for mouse to be $100+

[polar kelp]

Honestly the only thing that has to get more accesible is good wireless charging without a cable (changeable battery or the logitech solution)

[winged apex]

the most niche thing ever

[polar kelp]

I love my TurtleBeach Stealth Pro for the interchangable batteries

[winged apex]

if i can spend $420 on a keeb why cant i spend $200 on a mouse

[polar kelp]

fair point

[fluid ruin]

different companies are known for their own shapes etc. but as you say, they are all pretty much the same. What would wooting add thats different?

[winged apex]

well technically i paid $300 for my rvmse

[polar kelp]

320€

[zealous oak]

that's up to them, maybe they come up with new idead like they did with their keyboards

[hard vale]

he on mouse switches??

[polar kelp]

I would love some more wireless charging options that are "cheap" and useable

[fallen forge]

you can spend whatever, but mouse haven't really changed fundamentally while keyboards did

oh we removed most of the plastic that goes into this thing, that'll be extra $50

[winged apex]

if wooting could beat egg op1 8k in latency i would buy it no matter the shape

[hard vale]

less is more no?

[fluid ruin]

in what way would that actually be beneficial though?

[winged apex]

mouse latency is wayyyyyyyyyy lower than it was 4yrs ago

[fluid ruin]

latency is damn near perfect atm. Why would you want such a minor improvement even at the cost of a worse shape? That makes zero sense.

[polar kelp]

but I honestly dont feel a difference between 4k and 8k polling rate and 16k...why

[winged apex]

deathadder 2013 vs deathadder v3 pro is night and day when it comes to pretty much everything

[polar kelp]

Like latency and polling rate have improved technically a lot in the last few years but its hard to actually feel

[winged apex]

near perfect? there is only one mouse thats perfect when it comes to latency and thats the op1 8k. every other company needs to get to that level before its perfect

[drowsy lynx]

So you are saying a G Pro from 2018 and a Superlight V2 have big differences?

[hard vale]

bcuz its only <0.01ms of diff so why would u

[winged apex]

yes they do 1000%

[drowsy lynx]

I thought it was just the weight

[winged apex]

nope

[polar kelp]

yea exaclty, its just stats noone needs ("maybe some pros or extreme enthusiasts)

[drowsy lynx]

Might have to look into it then

[hard vale]

marketing gimick ig

[winged apex]

not how polling rate works, that difference in latency is only initial movement, what matters in polling rate is smoothness and accuracy thats what polling rate helps with

[polar kelp]

you are right, still doesnt change my argument that a normal consumer wont be able to see/feel the difference

[winged apex]

people have a fundimental missunderstanding of what polling rate is and it pisses me off to this day esp. when yters push WRONG info

[winged apex]

most consumers r dog water at games so yes you r right.

[polar kelp]

I wanna see you in pro league somewhere before you say that

[winged apex]

niche things like 240hz+ or new mice or keebs or pc wont help you when you have 90iq and cant aim for shit

[lime falcon]

Brysen what polling rate do u use on ur mice mostly?

[winged apex]

8k

[fluid ruin]

I'd love to see a blind test. I'm 99% sure you yourself wouldnt be able to tell the difference if you didn't already know it

[lime falcon]

my bad

[winged apex]

i have been using 8khz mice since 3360 released and you could oc it

[polar kelp]

Do you actually can blindly differentiate 4k and 8k polling rate?

[winged apex]

i have blind tested a lot, noticed it 90/100 times

[foggy current]

One question is the 80HE 77,5? Or is 80% layout? I don’t understand. Could someone please explain me 🤗.

[valid comet]

Isnt it PCB and Processing latency + Polling? I would assume that the actuation to motherboard I/O latency of the 80HE would total about 300 microseconds, because the polling on its own is 0.125 ms

[winged apex]

same mouse different polling rates, had my friends test me couple months ago

[sullen sand]

77.5

[valid comet]

TKL is 80%, 80HE is a compact TKL so 77.5%

[foggy current]

Great 😍 even better

[winged apex]

depends on if polling rate is also the scan rate

[foggy current]

Thanks

[valid comet]

true 8k means 8k poll scan

[polar kelp]

[lime falcon]

i still dont know if i should use 2k or 4k on my thorn

[valid comet]

Man I want that mcu so I can write firmware on it for a keyboard or keypad ^^

[polar kelp]

just make a blind test and if you dont feel the difference go with 2k

[fluid ruin]

interesting. and was that between 4k and 8k that you could tell the difference? Even so, i struggle to believe that it would be worth it to sacrifice a preffered shape to jump from say 8k of the op1 vs a non ideal shape but 16k

[winged apex]

so yeh then it all comes down to firmware and layout of things like the mcu

[winged apex]

1k v 4k v 8k

at random they set one of the 3 and had me test in fortnite

[lime falcon]

there is no way u noticed difference between 4k and 8k

[valid comet]

Yeah wooting did a great job, also im aiming to make my fw as lightweight as possible for least strain on MCU

[winged apex]

i agree super amazing

[winged apex]

its pretty ez for me tbh

[polar kelp]

honestly also depends on your screen, pc etc

[lime falcon]

Whats ur refresh rate

[winged apex]

at the time i was on an XL2546K but i have done it on PG27AQN and AW2521H as well

[valid comet]

PG27AQN (27" 1440p 360Hz ULMB 2), Z790-I STRIX, 13700K, 2x32GB DDR5-6000, 3080Ti

[lime falcon]

i think you have hard time with placebo

[valid comet]

PG27AQN GANG

[tropic quest]

Whether you notice 1 vs 2 vs 4 vs 8k changes depending on a hundred variables

[winged apex]

pc was 14900K 6.0p/4.5e/5.1r, rtx 4090 3.1ghz, ddr5-8400MTs manual tune, z790 apex white

[polar kelp]

yea ok then you will feel a difference

In games that can even process these polling rates

[winged apex]

all games work fine at 8k

[tropic quest]

If you’re on 120hz crappy pc of course you won’t notice. 360+ hz fast pc you should

[winged apex]

i have tested every single game that ppl say dont work in reviews and they run perfectly fine

[fluid ruin]

bro wtf do you do for a living. Those specs and 200+ mice?

[winged apex]

im young and have almost 0 expenses

[valid comet]

I play geometry dash (not only gd) at 360TPS, and I instantly felt the difference when clicking using the G502 (3.5 ms) vs the ULX Tiger (0.3-0.5ms)

[polar kelp]

Makes sense, and probably dont have another expensive hobby?

[lime falcon]

brysen have u had any issues with high polling on win10?

[winged apex]

nope lol

[polar kelp]

geometry dash is wild

[winged apex]

nope, run 8k fine on. Arch linux, Macos, windows 7/8.1/10/11

[valid comet]

Ikr

[shut tapir]

where’s the guy that has 200 mice and thinks he can feel a difference between 4k and 8k @lime falcon

[lime falcon]

weird people say its laggy sometimes on win10

[winged apex]

i have even tested 8k on 5800x3d and 10900k no problems

[polar kelp]

@winged apex

[lime falcon]

brysen

[shut tapir]

🤣

[winged apex]

had more so, i dont keep them all lol

[valid comet]

Does anyone else have the PG27AQN

[shut tapir]

it’s okay we all like to justify our purchases. but sorry sir you’re dealing with a placebo effect

[winged apex]

im not

[lime falcon]

[winged apex]

i have friends who also did blind testing sooo

i wasnt the only one, i was just the most accurate

[shut tapir]

i have a lot of mice, mousepads and 4k/8k mice and there is absolutely 0 difference between just using 1k hz. but if you think you’re missing headshots, just toggle it back to 8k

[valid comet]

Brysen I gotta get myself an STM32 Disco and blind testing

[winged apex]

never said thats why im missing headshots, i said i can tell the difference

[pseudo crag]

All those fancy specs meanwhile there's some kid with a $40 xbox controller beaming heads off with aa

[fluid ruin]

Brysen, out of the 200, whats your favourite?

[shut tapir]

but you can’t. it’s not something that’s noticeable besides battery drain. that’s like saying you see a difference in 240hz to 360hz refresh rate

[polar kelp]

true, thats why I dont like games with aa

[winged apex]

its also different games we are testing polling on as well, something like cs2 or val i can BARLEY notice but fort or titanfall 2 its very noticeable

[lament saffron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPm99KHpPiY

[shut tapir]

just like you won’t see a difference on a 8k hz keyboard

[winged apex]

atm op1 8k clears all other mice

[fluid ruin]

tbf there a definitely some people who can tell 360

[shut tapir]

sprime pm1 > op1

[polar kelp]

was a good video, thank you guys!

[winged apex]

i test with wired so there isnt inconsistency

[nova nexus]

What wants to be a gigachad and comment on the video with timestamps of the different questions? 😄

[fluid ruin]

is that purely becuz of the latency/polling, or is the shape also really good?

[rich peak]

Just to check, is that all I would need to build the keyboard?
I added the rest and the case.

This would be my first build so I just want to make sure everything is included.
I imagine I may need a screw driver or something which I have

[sullen sand]

you

[shut tapir]

i have the xl2546k and 2566k. no difference besides the DyAc+ implementation which is more important

[winged apex]

everythign about it is good imo, no flaws. even with my decent sized hands (22x12)

[nova nexus]

Good to go

[shut tapir]

Vaxee NP01 smokes the op1 as well

[solid vapor]

The 80HE is wireless?

[winged apex]

240hz to 360hz is super big imo

[sullen sand]

no

[solid vapor]

Ah

[winged apex]

i had been on 360 for so long i didnt know what 240 felt like then i tried it a couple months back and was like wow this is a huge difference

[solid vapor]

Thought I saw someone say it was in my notification tab

[shut tapir]

justifying

[winged apex]

you can say whatever you want, i frankly just dc what you thing 🙂

[valid comet]

For a mouse I need more of a cursor that can poll asyncronously from the clicks like the ULX, where cursor ran at 1k but the clicks appear more like 4k which is nuts. I wish I saw tech like this for other mice.

[shut tapir]

i mean that’s good you shouldn’t. just saying, justifying

[lime falcon]

u literally bought whole shop, i think thats enough yes

[winged apex]

op1 8k does all that and more

[shut tapir]

i have the op1 8k lol

[fluid ruin]

why not just run the sensor at a higher polling rate though?

[shut tapir]

and i still use my zowie s2-c

[winged apex]

you can say im justifying all you want you arent me tho

[valid comet]

Been thinking of getting an OP1 8k in blavk because of the engineering masterpiece it is

[shut tapir]

a mouse with a 3360 sensor, amazing shape. and i’d still outfrag you

[winged apex]

you have to try it, my fav mouse of 2024

[valid comet]

Absolutely, just waiting for it to arrive in canada :)

[pseudo crag]

I have no doubt the op1 8k is great but i wish egg could put a pep in their step with wireless mice

[shut tapir]

having a wired 8k mouse is actually smart

[winged apex]

wireless is the biggest gimmick imo

[shut tapir]

no need to charge

[wary abyss]

Link to where I can buy for those keycaps?

[valid comet]

3950 sensor will be out of razers hands next month 👀

[polar kelp]

If they get wireless charging better, maybe nooot

[winged apex]

• if you dont like cables just get a bungee

[fluid ruin]

nah wireless on top imo

[winged apex]

you cant fix interference problems esp at high polling, its next to impossible

[zealous oak]

I won't go back to a wired mouse never ever. I prefer the comfort and freedom it gives me, I just simply prefer wireless

[valid comet]

OP1 W with SPDT imagine

[pseudo crag]

Those china brands will be wildin

[winged apex]

thats what i said tillllllll the op1 8k came out

[polar kelp]

or just a little battery you can just switch out

[valid comet]

I mean but pixart will still sell them to people, its very nice

[zealous oak]

Maybe, but I cannot go back to a wired mouse

[winged apex]

now im never maining a wireless mouse lol

[valid comet]

Oh yeah btw the reason I dont use high poll is because it would drain my battery too quick and cause I dont feel the benefits as much for what I do. If I played more FPS games I would definitely feel it

[fluid ruin]

fair

[winged apex]

none fps gamer ic

[polar kelp]

Same, im on my 1k polling rate for a reason

[winged apex]

any slow paced or non-fps games r useless for high polling imo lol, fast paced fps tho? high polling ALL day

[valid comet]

More of someone who marvels at the engineering

[pseudo crag]

I was thinkij of getting the 4k dongle for my pulsar x2 but the battery life on this thing is mediocre as it is

[polar kelp]

I really like logitechs chargepad but it needs a few more years and more competition

[valid comet]

Thats why I want ULX, OP1 8k, and 80HE

[shut tapir]

yea i have a zowie camade bungee and some other bungee . the vaxee bungee looks nice

[winged apex]

i have the knock off camade bungee lol

[shut tapir]

it’s out of stock tho

[polar kelp]

or maybe like a "charepad" you tape below the desk (would also be cool for some wireless keyboards and would make them useable)

[shut tapir]

the vaxee bungee that is

[icy charm]

Done

[fluid ruin]

bit irrelevent, but what mousepad do you guys recomend?

[winged apex]

i wish a carbon fiber looking bungee existed or like a grey metalic one

[valid comet]

Skypad 4? I heard it was good idk

[shut tapir]

personal preference

depends what your main game is or if you want an all around game type pad. i have too many lol

[winged apex]

up to you and games you play, personally skypad 3.0/4.0 xl is my fav

[pseudo crag]

Depends if you want more speed or control

[valid comet]

Ive just been using an old mouse mat iand it works fine no scratching and it glides very smooth

[fluid ruin]

Im a bit of both. Dont really think id be a fan of glass though

[shut tapir]

the lamzu energon pro is pretty good or the zowie g-sr 2 or infinity mouse control v2 i could keep going. the new artisan type99 looks promising

[rich peak]

lol

[fluid ruin]

Im currently on a steelseries qck but its getting a bit old and wondering if i should change it up

[winged apex]

the new artisan control pad is coming

[shut tapir]

endgame gear EM-C+ is really good too

[shut tapir]

yea that’s why i said the type99 looks promising

the mousepad will offer 8k polling

[winged apex]

what games do you play? also what type of climate do you live in

[shut tapir]

@lime falcon

[winged apex]

sorry didnt read the last part but yea i love artisans EVERYTHING lol

[fluid ruin]

I main fortnite but dabble in cs a bit. Climate can be a bit over the place, but primarily dry

[nova nexus]

Added cheers

[lime falcon]

?

[winged apex]

you could get away with glass, does it get cold?

[fluid ruin]

during winter yeah, also I've heard they can be quite loud?

[winged apex]

at first

its a lot quieter later one

[sullen sand]

glass pad scares me

[queen steppe]

hey everyone

[sullen sand]

I need some friction

[polar kelp]

[winged apex]

youd think

[pseudo crag]

You can check out fresh reviews for glasspads

[winged apex]

but once you learn it takes about 1-2wks you wont be able to go back to cloth, i cant. not even for tacfps games

[sullen sand]

Do you use glass pads on your mouse too?

[polar kelp]

[winged apex]

no........ that doesnt work

[shut tapir]

zowie needs to release a s2-c wireless

[winged apex]

ugh fresh, that guy is such a jackass and ||racist||

[sullen sand]

my climate is cold and wet

[pseudo crag]

Glass on glass

[polar kelp]

why not, its "just a bit scratchy" (this is a joke)

[shut tapir]

just how i like my….

[winged apex]

ayo?

[fluid ruin]

Damn so you just sad all the time? i could never

[polar kelp]

[sullen sand]

Ireland is full of joy

[shut tapir]

lol

[sullen sand]

That's a lie, guinness helps tho

[shut tapir]

ireland seems to be filled with alcoholics

[polar kelp]

true

But I mean a lot of countries are filled with alcoholics

[shut tapir]

yea

[buoyant solstice]

It's their way to ensure they never run out of potatoes again. It goes into the food, it goes into the drink.

[polar kelp]

[shut tapir]

alchies are everywhere at the end of the day so yea

[buoyant solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/moonshine-bootlegger-gif-23603648

[fluid ruin]

yeah as an aussie i cant really judge

[polar kelp]

Aussie

[fluid ruin]

i really need to go to bed

sleep schedule screwed

[shut tapir]

i have to go to work in 2 hours

[fluid ruin]

Im lucky I've got 3

[shut tapir]

i have wooting keyboards to load into fedex trucks

[polar kelp]

Im already done for today

[fluid ruin]

need to be up in 2 though

[polar kelp]

this is a robbery, give me one

[shut tapir]

lol i’m jk i can’t tell if it’s a wooting or not i just load packages mann

[fluid ruin]

if some of the other people are to be believed, you need to stop loosing them lmao

[sullen sand]

so you're not going to work today

[shut tapir]

lol

cool. she suffers from placebo

ever heard of marketing ? lol

that’s like saying “1600 dpi gives me less input latency” when i’ll smoke you on 400 dpi 🤣

[nova nexus]

Are y'all still bickering about mice?

This is the 80HE channel not the mice channel

[fluid ruin]

and refresh rate

[shut tapir]

my 8k polling keyboard will strafe you faster

[upbeat berry]

mice belong in the #🐱│pets channel

[polar kelp]

Guys, any good websites to buy ISO DE keycaps for my 80HE?

[nova nexus]

I recommend https://wooting.io personally

[polar kelp]

I got the white ones in the order already and rest ehhh no

[rich peak]

Nice

[fluid ruin]

I feel like that needs to come with a disclaimer or something

[polar kelp]

wdym

[fluid ruin]

idk seems like he might be paid by them... or something

[polar kelp]

[nova nexus]

Crucify the paid shill! :pitchfork:

[thorn schooner]

sir this is a wooting’s

[upbeat berry]

wait mark you get paid

[polar kelp]

I wanna get paid too

[thorn schooner]

discussing wages is a right!

[valid comet]

I wanna work at wooting but I need to build a profile

[polar kelp]

wait he is owned by the company and sitting in the basement?

[arctic rune]

just ordered the 80he with the zinc case just to support wooting, not even gonna switch from my 60he idc

[polar kelp]

[nova nexus]

Crap the cat is out of the bag and the monkey is on the sleeve!

[upbeat berry]

i thought its monkey out the sleeve

[polar kelp]

oh no Mark, now its gonna get halfed...

[nova nexus]

Tony gets paid in Chocolony's

[polar kelp]

U guys getting paid in products?

[upbeat berry]

lol no

[valid comet]

I have to use my 80HE because my up arrow is busted

[upbeat berry]

we have to buy em like everyone else

[polar kelp]

ah wait you are actual team, not "just" mods

[valid comet]

Yeah they are

[buoyant solstice]

Don't tell anyone.

[valid comet]

Shhh its a secret tho

[buoyant solstice]

[polar kelp]

I saw nothin

[valid comet]

Good

[buoyant solstice]

Snitches get switches.

[nova nexus]

Tony gets paid by Wooting and then spends his paycheck at Wooting so that he can get paid by Wooting to buy more Wootings etc etc

[icy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/cyberpunk-classified-level6-authorization-gif-7997618

[polar kelp]

Ok time to snitch

[valid comet]

WHEN CAN I SNITCH

[upbeat berry]

we are all pretendos

thats a ref not everyone will get

[polar kelp]

well Im getting paid in products by Turtlebeach/Roccat

"paid"

[valid comet]

https://tenor.com/view/ayo-looking-everywhere-emoji-ayo-looking-emoji-looking-everywhere-gif-26682115

[polar kelp]

Nope, I wont

[nova nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-tf2spy-worst-sus-anyone-gif-22434495

[polar kelp]

Sorry

[fluid ruin]

Mansen are you part of the team too? If so, why don't you have the role?

[buoyant solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-amongus-kill-imposter-gif-18807596

[upbeat berry]

undercover

[buoyant solstice]

I'm undercover. Deep.

[polar kelp]

time to clean the blood

[midnight iron]

The real question is who will be our new overlord when they hire new community manager

[fluid ruin]

We've all been tricked

[buoyant solstice]

It can only go uphill from here.

[upbeat berry]

well technically still every staff member but we can all relax and let a CM handle it

[polar kelp]

I bought 80He and now I get 77.5

[upbeat berry]

although... i might actually still be heavily involved in discord....

[polar kelp]

I get the pain

[nova nexus]

Saw a couple really strong applications come through, I'm excited

[upbeat berry]

i really wanna know who ngl...

[buoyant solstice]

Jokes aside I am quite thrilled to see the social media have dedicated attention, and more importantly - a roadmap.

We've definitely been playing it by ear, and we need someone with a masterplan, and the statistics driven data to back it up.

Imagine - Having a biweekly games night, and actually sticking to it for more than two weeks.

[polar kelp]

[upbeat berry]

idk if thats doable with how many people we have tbh

we are marching towards 90k atm

[polar kelp]

That many already? Noice

[nova nexus]

Gained 2k more members since I made that post three days ago... o.o

[upbeat berry]

yeah

[polar kelp]

honestly im not jealous tho, means a lot more banning bots and banning troll accounts

[stuck fossil]

Guys ANSI or ISO I can't decide

[upbeat berry]

tbh that hasnt really gone up all that much

[nova nexus]

ANSI

[hidden crest]

ANSI

[upbeat berry]

ISO

[polar kelp]

iso for the win

[nova nexus]

ISO is for people who can't find a normal sized enter button

[hidden crest]

LOL

[upbeat berry]

ISO is for people who like having more keys

[polar kelp]

u had to do us like that

[lime falcon]

ansi all day

[upbeat berry]

actually JIS ftw

[polar kelp]

Im gonna write a lot in japanese but even then why would I get a JIS

[lime falcon]

small shift, ahh hell nah

[upbeat berry]

extra keys

JIS can type english etc easily no issues

[valid comet]

Btw the mode button... how do we find aftermarket caps for that

[stuck fossil]

The left shift key seems godly on ANSI ngl

[polar kelp]

Thats the neat part, you dont....nah idk

[valid comet]

I mean for PBTfans WoB, I can use the F13 key

[polar kelp]

I just hate that there are so few ISO De keycap sets

[rugged zinc]

i just watched the latest video in Youtube. i notice as you mention light colour will get the white cable. i ordered the 80heghost. pls pls give me black colour cable. plssssss dont give me white colour

[polar kelp]

I kinda hope he does not

[lime falcon]

you will get black surely

[rugged zinc]

try to imagine my whole pc setup is black. suddenly have a white cable. omg

[nova nexus]

Translucent ghost comes with a black cable

[polar kelp]

Its Usb C I would guess so dont worry about it too much

[polar kelp]

or that

[nova nexus]

Or if we can figure it out, a translunt one

[rugged zinc]

noted. thanks

i was get shocked after i watched the video😂

[polar kelp]

lmao

[upbeat berry]

the only light colors are frost (translucent white PCR), white zinc and raw zinc

[rugged zinc]

haha. thanks

[nova nexus]

Raw zinc gets a cable without insulation

[upbeat berry]

raw copper cables

[nova nexus]

What could possibly go wrong

[upbeat berry]

you might feel a jolt of joy

[jade widget]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-shocked-shocking-gif-14682087

[nova nexus]

Shockingly beautiful!

[polar kelp]

I mean it does not have the voltage for that right?

[rugged zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/stitch-sad-sad-stitch-gif-14364046974961747120

[unkempt field]

oops, i ordered the raw zinc, and would prefer a black cable, possible to get it switched?

[nova nexus]

It will be possible to do a like-for-like swap of items in the Hub, but I'd recommend waiting a bit for all of the details about the cases to be known

[unkempt field]

got it. thanks

[jade widget]

Think these are the cables based on one of Calders posts not sure if final obviously

[jolly tangle]

the small strip the block

[buoyant solstice]

Video from today showed final white cable.

[jolly tangle]

thats the surface for the raw case

[jade widget]

Yeah keen to see what the final product looks like

Since I ordered raw zinc

[buoyant solstice]

To be clear it is an early potential sample. I believe Calder mentioned having received ten different variants with different finish and coating.

So don't get married to the look just yet.

[unkempt field]

i'm sure it will turn out great 😄

[jolly tangle]

agreed im just saying the context that calder gave when he posted the screenshot

[buoyant solstice]

[shut tapir]

calder is a cool name

[valid comet]

I think the wooting stealth coiled cable is fine for 80HE 8k 100% brightness

[pseudo parrot]

stock too

[tardy pagoda]

which case should i go for?

[valid comet]

The stock cable is meant for it, but the coiled one was released pre-80HE, so I had to ask

[pseudo parrot]

aha makes sense

[indigo jacinth]

i fucked up and bought the keyboard on the wrong email so i had to make a new wooting account 💀 whatever rip my other founder role

[small rune]

Will the detachable cable have new colorway in white? Confirm it can handle 8khz+100%brightness+tachyon mode?

[jolly tangle]

just mail [e-mail] and they can solve that. happens alot

[indigo jacinth]

oh okay thanks

[shut tapir]

so like what’s the benefit of 8k polling

will my WPM go up by 100?

[valid comet]

8x as many inputs vs 1k in theory

[shut tapir]

i get that, the numbers on paper. i’m asking real world difference that humans can tell. nothing ?

[nova nexus]

You can transfer it yourself via the Wooting Hub

[buoyant solstice]

White cable is coming

[indigo jacinth]

oh i can i just sent the mail 💀

[jolly tangle]

ah

[indigo jacinth]

how ?

[nova nexus]

Top right corner, transfer order

[indigo jacinth]

do you not mean in the my account setting ?

how do i get to the wooting hub

wait this is the hub

[shut tapir]

lol

[indigo jacinth]

nvm i found it

it returned with an error

even though the mail and order id is correct

[small rune]

Great, it’s possible to change the colorway that I’ve preordered after the white color comes out?

[indigo jacinth]

@nova nexus

im 100% sure both are correct

[tardy pagoda]

which case is better?

[indigo jacinth]

i even logged into the mail on my other account

[nova nexus]

https://help.wooting.io/article/79-transferring-ownership-of-an-order
Follow this guide

Can't help you any more than that...

[indigo jacinth]

i think it might be an issue of it being a pre order ?

its imposible its my issue

i legit clicked this

and made sure there is no invisible spaces and im 100% sure its the correct email

[jade widget]

Probably not the 60he is already very fast at 1k

[buoyant solstice]

You need to do this on the RECEIVING account btw

[indigo jacinth]

oh

[buoyant solstice]

[indigo jacinth]

kinda makes no sense

why would it be that way when this is the account i bought it on

still didnt work though

same error

[buoyant solstice]

If you read the guide, it's to transfer an order from someone else TO YOU. It sends them an email confirming this.

This is to make it as painless for an original buyer to pass their keyboard onto someone else. They won't have to go to our website or anything. They just need to click a link.

[indigo jacinth]

the guide was sent to me later on

[buoyant solstice]

Okie dokie. In that case please take screenshots of the issue, and then shoot us an email at [e-mail]

[jolly tangle]

Why when im right its not for the intended reason

[indigo jacinth]

wait im dumb i used the same email not the one on the wrong one

after switching to my main account

it worked lmao

or it said it worked i dont actually see the keyboard in my orders

[lime falcon]

It needs some time to transfer i think

[indigo jacinth]

nvm

i figured it out i needed to accept it on my email

thanks guys

we are so back

[charred oak]

What does the 'Only got 77.5% mean

is it just funny I chuckled

[indigo jacinth]

prob the founder role for 80%

[spark hound]

80% would be tkl, so they're joking that there's 2 keys less

[dense trout]

If white cable comes later is it possible to order it and add it to pre-order?

[nova nexus]

The cables are not sold separately and come with the case

It will not be possible to customize the color of the cable

[spark hound]

What color will the raw one get?
Bare copper?

[nova nexus]

Dunno yet

[limpid fractal]

is there a chanve the keyboard gets delivered before august?

[neat trail]

Hi everyone it’s been 4 days since my order and I cannot sleep

6 days.. I have lost track of time. When can I play on new keyboard. My farming rates need to improve

[jade widget]

In the video today didn't they say the raw zinc would be getting the white cable or am I tripping

[small rune]

How about the white detachable cable? Can I change the colorway after it’s comes out in the 80he preorder?

[valid comet]

I got scammed >:(

Where is my 2.5%

[spark hound]

its not wooting 80%

its wooting 80HE

[valid comet]

So true

Also the keyboard is more densely packed

[charred oak]

i like this company

[valid comet]

Same they are so passionate

What if the 80HE was called the 77p5HE

[burnt osprey]

8k polling rate is so better than the wooting 60he polling rate?

[surreal wagon]

what type of keycaps the wooting 60he plus uses

[buoyant solstice]

Eight times as frequent, theoretically. 8khz vs 1khz

[buoyant solstice]

We use OEM profile for our keyboards, ABS or PBT depends on your selected items and language.
Like 99% of the industry we use cherry stem keycaps.

[surreal wagon]

so if it’s just english normal one it’s OEM profile

[upbeat berry]

JIS is cherry profile for 80he i believe

[buoyant solstice]

Ahhh that's right. Brave new world 😄

The special Take Control, wavy lines set is also Cherry.

[burnt osprey]

Yes but when you are playing, you can experiment a différence?

[valid comet]

I think the default prebuilt 80HE uses PBT

But i dont know what level of quality PBT

[buoyant solstice]

ANSI boards are the only ones with preinstalled keycaps - and those are always PBT.

[upbeat berry]

pbt is pbt

i havent seen different pbt qualities yet

[buoyant solstice]

Weeeeeellll..... not to badmouth our former OEM provider of BLANK keycaps, but they did have a more than average failure rate 😄

[upbeat berry]

is it the pbt though or really bad process

[buoyant solstice]

A little from aisle 1, a little from aisle 2

[umbral locust]

I wish wooting did cherry keycaps

[buoyant solstice]

We do - Just not the most commonly bought ones.

[umbral locust]

It's just the take control ones, right?

[buoyant solstice]

The JIS/ANSI set is Cherry.

[real gulch]

textures just seem to be different

[valid comet]

Corsair is partly PBT for example its really not good shines in like 1-2 months (K70 RGB TKL for example)

[upbeat berry]

partly pbt isnt well pbt though

[valid comet]

They still say "PBT Keycaps" which just seems like marketing bs imo, Im sure Wooting caps are better tho

[nova nexus]

It should also be noted that PBT keycaps do wear over time, and our textured keycaps will become smoother over time. They will not fade, since the legends are through the entire thickness of the keycaps, but the rough surface won't stay rough forever

[buoyant solstice]

I personally never had any issues with PBT keycaps from Corsair*

[sullen sand]

Are those characters really required for gaming though?

[umbral locust]

People use keyboards for more than gaming.

[sullen sand]

Use more than 1 keyboard 🙂

[umbral locust]

too much of a hassle

I also type in my games

[sullen sand]

If your keyboard fails do you have to buy a new one immediately?

That's kinda a big rip

[umbral locust]

I have a backup wooting

but it's not necessary, do yo uhabe a backup mouse? chair? Monitor? Desk?

Where do you draw the line and why are you so worried about your keyboard failing?

[sullen sand]

I have 3 mice and 5 keyboards

I mean I can use other desks and chairs in my house, sure

And I have 3 monitors

[umbral locust]

how many pcs?

[sullen sand]

1 PC and 1 laptop

[umbral locust]

Have you cloned yourself too?

[valid comet]

Damn lucky, my fingers are made of acid lmao

[sullen sand]

A partner for babies is an option

[proper dew]

would u like me to remove the connection from the hub and reconnect?

[upbeat berry]

not needed

just check if the rewards refresh to include wooting member

[proper dew]

fixed

[upbeat berry]

nice so its fixed

thank you for confirming

[proper dew]

no problem, thank you for getting it fixed 😄

[sullen sand]

Put it this way, do you wear the same shoes every day? If you're spending 200-300 euros on a keyboard you can have another and take care of both

It's easier to take care of 2 or more than take care of just 1 because there's less use on them

Same goes for shoes and clothes

[umbral locust]

I am autistic, I do wear the same shoes every day.

Either way, my point being it's kind of annoying to have one keyboard just for gaming and one just for typing because I do a lot of typing in my gaming.

[upbeat berry]

im unsure how directly related autism is to that. pretty sure theres people who arent autistic and do that

[umbral locust]

I do it because of sensory issues, am sure other people have other reasons for it.

[sullen sand]

Well I mean if you are set to use 1 of something then get the one that fits your use 🙂

i.e. ISO in their case

[upbeat berry]

reminds me that i need to figure out how to handle my shoe situation

[proper dew]

Wooting sneaker line when?

[sullen sand]

The main point of going ANSI is you have the option of every keycap which is fun

I'm sure you can also assign those specific keys to any key you want, also

The keyboard layout is not going to stop you using those keys 😂

[jade widget]

What do you call it when the set on the left bothers you a lot

[low token]

Iso layout is a sin

[valid comet]

What is dcx

[jade widget]

Drops keycaps

[low token]

Gmk is cleaner

[jade widget]

Dcx has weird spacing between some characters

They gotta learn about kerning

[low token]

They lack german quality

[jade widget]

True but they also lack German pricing 💸

I'm still a sucker for quality legends

[low token]

Well lets buy 150-300€ sets together

@jade widget

[polar kelp]

that Enter isnt ISO tho no?

[dusky dagger]

hi

[low token]

L enter is iso rectangular is ansi

[low token]

Hello

[polar kelp]

yea

[jade widget]

I am planning on picking up dualshot 2 with novelties

Too broke rn now

[valid comet]

Wooting made us broke

[tidal heart]

Do you think true 8k polling will make my cpu hot?

[quasi crater]

nop

[tidal heart]

I never changed polling so idk much

[valid comet]

No its more of an issue with mouse sensors

[umbral locust]

even then the issue is greatly exaggerated.

[valid comet]

And no not hot, the cpu resources get used more

[umbral locust]

It's only really an issue for really outdated CPUs and a few problomatic games that are poorly optimized

[valid comet]

Agreed

[tidal heart]

Well thank god I have a high end cpu

[valid comet]

Its mostly a game variance sorta deal

[winged apex]

its NOT game issues, the only reason some work and some dont is bc your cpu cant handle 8k while also playing a cpu demanding game

[valid comet]

But yeah if its clicks you have noghing to worry aboyt

What CPU

[winged apex]

it shouldnt be an issue

[dim sierra]

8k polling wooting = 1k polling on mouse

[tidal heart]

ok

[dim sierra]

usage wise for computer

[winged apex]

a mouse sensor just has more updates, mind you too when you are rendering new images on a mouse when you move

[dusky dagger]

can u not use 8k keb and 8k mouse at the same time or what

[dim sierra]

mouse just track ur motion theres no image or whatever, the estimate was given by wooting employee so should be accurate for computer resources usage

[winged apex]

you can

[dusky dagger]

okay good

[winged apex]

well yes but when you move where you r looking in a game it renders things

[dim sierra]

it just calculate the pixels u moved

[valid comet]

You can

[bronze copper]

how do we get the 80he founders badge

[winged apex]

im not talking about the sensor im talking about how in the game you r changing a scene thats why its so much worse on a mouse

[valid comet]

Hub.wooting.io

[dim sierra]

mouse doesnt use much resources as well, just really bad cpu cant handle 8k

[winged apex]

or motherboard usb controller

or firmware of that mobo/cpu

[dim sierra]

yeah and i heard win 11 is more optimised for 8k mouse but no idea about kb

[winged apex]

hint its not

[dim sierra]

[winged apex]

win11 tends to be worse bc it uses more resources

[valid comet]

What cpu

[dim sierra]

imo any below 5-6 years should do prefectly fine

[winged apex]

uhhh no

zen 2 or 8th gen and older will NOT work

it also cannot be less than 6c

[valid comet]

I mean I use an old 8700K and a new 13700K

[winged apex]

zen 2 ik for a fact flat out doesnt support above 3khz no matter what it is
mouse, keeb etc

[tight cypress]

[dim sierra]

im anti amd, i hate their software

[tight cypress]

How come I'm using 8k mouse with my 3600X then?

[winged apex]

its not saturating the full poll

[silk pagoda]

Why ?

[winged apex]

esp if its wireless

[winged apex]

im not anti amd at all, my next pc is 7800X3D/9800X3D and 7900XTX BUT doesnt mean i dont criticize

[dim sierra]

they have a lot of driver issue so i dont like it, but they're competitive with intel now

[winged apex]

they have fixed RDNA3
RDNA2 was fixed in June 2021

[silk pagoda]

Have you tried by yourself ?

[dim sierra]

yeah my pc with amd died i just swapped with intel instantly

theyre good but i just dont like it personally

they re often better in term of price and even high end cards compared to intel

[winged apex]

my only issue with intel is power outside of that they have FLAWLESS hardware

[dim sierra]

intel voltage usage?

[winged apex]

im super hyped for ARL, going to true 2nm will be cool af

[dim sierra]

but never buy amd gpu over nvidia 💀

[winged apex]

its not about voltages, intels voltage scaling is AMAZING its just about the fact that their node size is so much bigger than AMD atm

[silk pagoda]

Why ? 😅

[winged apex]

nvidia sucks..... their drivers ARE AWFUL

[dim sierra]

their way behind nvidia in terms of gpu

[valid comet]

I wonder in theory if the 13700K can do 24k polling over usb 3.0

[dim sierra]

but theyre still the best in the gpu field might take amd a few more years

[winged apex]

DRIVER ISSUES (Last tested July 2023)

A. DISPLAY STREAM COMPRESSION ISSUES

1. Custom resolutions locked out.
2. DSR locked out.
3. DLDSR locked out.
4. Five second black screens when alt tabbing out of full screen games (Link to thead: https://www.reddit.com/r/OLED_Gaming/comments/vsnxxv/workaround_for_5s_black_screen_when_alttabbing/)

B. GENERAL DISPLAY ISSUES

1. Screen flickering with multiple displays connected (NOTE: Has this been fixed yet???)
2. Some displays such as (QN90C) can cause the whole driver to freeze up when connected and changed to 4K 144Hz.
3. 57” Samsung Neo G9 reportedly locked to 120Hz. Should be 240Hz.
4. No ability to edit the EDID of displays using Custom Resolution Utility on RTX 40 series.
5. Incorrect HDR windows reading on some displays like the Samsung 55” S95C.
   (NOTE: This could be due to an incorrect EDID, but without the ability to edit EDIDs in Custom Resolution Utility the only workaround is to create color profiles using the HDR calibration app and reload them on every restart).
6. Some monitors will not display the maximum refresh rate when connected to Nvidia GPUs IE 4K 160Hz mini LED locked to 4K 144Hz requiring a custom resolution
   (could be a monitor issue, more investigation needed).

C. GENERAL ISSUES

1. Latency mon issues/delay when playing sound for the first time in windows using RTX 40 series GPUs (NOTE: has this been fixed yet???).
2. Auto HDR not launching in Fortnite DX12 (NOTE: Has this been fixed yet???).
3. The Nvidia Control Panel is incredibly slow to load and apply changes.
4. G-sync flickering in Adobe Premiere Pro
5. Poor start and stop timeline playback performance in Adobe Premiere Pro when using high bitrate 4K 60FPS footage despite low GPU usage in a system with a 13900K, 64GB of RAM, and a PCIe 4.0 SSD (NOTE: repeatable on many PCs, but could be software limitation).

Thanks again for your help, and please let me know if you need any more information.

[umbral locust]

It's been "might take amd a few more years" for like over a decade now.

[valid comet]

The only reason I use nvidia is because I have a PG27AQN which uses ULMB 2

[winged apex]

6950XT was faster than 3090TI? lol

[dim sierra]

they focused on cpu mostly and caught up to intel so theres that

[winged apex]

u can use ULMB2 and GSYNC on amd, personally used both

[valid comet]

WAIT REALLY

[winged apex]

yees

[valid comet]

can you also enable it on linux?

[umbral locust]

For gaming maybe

But for productivity, intel is still way ahead if you are fine with the heat and wattage lol

[valid comet]

Bit of a weird question but still thought id ask

[sullen sand]

AMD are great on price to performance, they push for frames... but the rest is a lot to be desired

[winged apex]

havent tested it but ill send a link on how to enable it

[umbral locust]

Basically AMD is king for budget builds. They don't even try to be #1

[valid comet]

Brysen you ar3 saving my ass here thank you so much man

[dim sierra]

4090 is way ahead of 6950tx

[umbral locust]

AMD didn't even try to compete with the 4090

[winged apex]

huh? XTX can match a tuned 4090

[valid comet]

I mean I got a 3080Ti FE

[winged apex]

https://forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=12076&start=110#p98028

[sullen sand]

In certain scenarios

[umbral locust]

XTX is slightly better than 4080 in rasta

[winged apex]

6950XT is also $600-700 whilke 4090 is $2k rn.... 6950 is about 75% the 4090s perf

[umbral locust]

Doesn't even come close to 4090 and when you factor in DLSS or ray/path tracing then forget about it

[silk pagoda]

That's normal, they are not from the same generation

[winged apex]

at stock have you looked at EVC3 or what future mpt support will do

im well versed in all things RDNA3/2, ADA and Ampere

[dim sierra]

im intel + nvidia always, unless amd do some crazy shit

[winged apex]

ill be getting rdna4 and blackwell

[winged apex]

ray tracing isnt to a point that matters, also the nvidia driver issues heavily out match the gains from a 4090

as long as a gpu is good value and has AV1 thats all that will matter in 2024, outside of that is very niche

[dim sierra]

yeah it depends amd definitely has the better value to performance

[sullen sand]

No one said anything about ray tracing

[dim sierra]

but personally i buy the best there is and then use it for 4 years and then build a new pc after

[winged apex]

then what r u talking about bc a 7900XTX matches a 3.2ghz 4090 in everything raster

[sullen sand]

I'm not talking about raster either

I'm talking about production

[winged apex]

then you r talking about very niche things

most people who buy gaming gpus, game.

[sullen sand]

Among many other things

You don't buy a commercial GPU to do proejcts at home

To do basic things like video production

[winged apex]

yes but you r telling me more than 5% of current 4080/90 owners got it just for production

[sullen sand]

Not just for production

For gaming, but there is the bonus of being able to do more, better

If you want a GPU for gaming only then do you really need to spend $1000 on a 7900XTX on release? No

[winged apex]

even for both, its very niche and thats why i will never bring it up. most of the time when people ik bring stuff up like production they dont even do it themselves. i have only EVER had one person who actually does production complain about RDNA3

[sullen sand]

The majority of gamers have a GPU that is more than 4 years old

If you're talking about majorities here

Niche is buying a brand new GPU

[winged apex]

majorities who have bought new gpus mostly just game and get "what is best" at that time

[sullen sand]

Well best takes perspective

[dim sierra]

[sullen sand]

One person could play game A that gets 200 fps on an AMD but 180 on a 4090, another person could play game B that is 200 fps on a 4090 but 180 on an AMD

Games are designed for certain GPUs

[sullen sand]

And the majority of people didn't buy a 4090 just to play Counter Strike

[dim sierra]

i feel called out

[sullen sand]

The majority of them would be doing production also as a side hobby or even a main hobby

[dim sierra]

[winged apex]

any game that usually has more than a 15% difference is a sponsored game

like with jedi survivor

[low token]

Mate higher fps im cs2 is better ok

[low token]

No dlss

[winged apex]

fsr 3

[dim sierra]

i hate fsr

[low token]

Fsr is trash

[sullen sand]

You'd be surprised how many people who a 40 series GPU are using it mostly for rendering

[winged apex]

fsr 3 is amazing

[sullen sand]

And rendering on that GPU leaves the AMD in the dust

[winged apex]

fsr 1 sucked, fsr 2.1 was good matched dlss 2.0

[dim sierra]

if u use fsr for performance it degrades the graphics so badly

[winged apex]

why tf u playing on perf

quality is always best

[dim sierra]

escape from tarkov

[winged apex]

??

[dim sierra]

🤨

[winged apex]

what does tarkov have to do with u using perf lol

[sullen sand]

FSR is pretty famous for crashing PCs, not much else

[dim sierra]

because i need more fps

[winged apex]

what

crashing pcs kek

[sullen sand]

I'll give it to you that it is improved

But it is nowhere near DLSS

[winged apex]

wait wait omfg dont tell you mean frame gen

[sullen sand]

No... not talking about frame gen

[winged apex]

then u r high bc fg was the only thing causing crashes on fsr 3

[sullen sand]

In multiple games FSR has been a main culprit in the game crashing

[low token]

I was considering to buy amd gpu. But they are lacking features and performance i need. Maybe in 9000 series it would be viable

[dim sierra]

u can consider cpu for amd but gpu are way behind imo

[winged apex]

yes their frame gen not the fsr upscaling

[jade widget]

Got too burned on the 5700 XT to go AMD anytime soon

[sullen sand]

However, following a recent stress test, Inflexion decided to drop support for AMD FSR 3. That's because a 'significant portion' of crash data from the test showed AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution 3 as the likely culprit, even when it wasn't actually enabled in the graphics settings.

[tough mauve]

Fsr is almost as good as dlss. No crashes ever for me. With dlss I just see a little bit better performance to quality ratio.

[sullen sand]

First google search for FSR and crashing

Brings up FSR3

[tough mauve]

Never had any crahes with fsr ever

[sullen sand]

I didn't even type 3

[silk pagoda]

What kind of performance do you need and what is missing on their GPU compared to other brand ?

[sullen sand]

Hey that was a good mining GPU

[winged apex]

"Fsr 3 frame generation crash"

[winged apex]

this ^

[sullen sand]

I'll be honest I didn't even know FSR had frame generation

[winged apex]

they are nearly identical and all im saying is FSR is OPEN SOURCE meanwhile the dickwads at nvidia lock it to their gpus

[low token]

Rt. Amd gpus cant handle pathtracing yet

[winged apex]

path tracing + dlss + fg ew

the worst 3 things ever invented

[low token]

So?

[winged apex]

frame gen sucks horsedick idc who its from

[sullen sand]

Have you used it? or you're just saying it because it's "fake" frames

Why is AMD using it now?

[winged apex]

yes i have the input is awful, its anywhere from 50-150ms

[sullen sand]

You wouldn't need to worry about input lag in a game you're using DLSS on

[winged apex]

bc they can market it? tf

[sullen sand]

Or any upscaling for that matter

[winged apex]

upscaling doesnt affect input delay bc its not generating fake frames

[jade widget]

Input is terrible on AMD because anti-lag+ is trash compared to reflex

[low token]

Also if it has nvidia reflex

[sullen sand]

AMD also has it's own version of that

[winged apex]

do you know how anti lag and reflex even work?

[sullen sand]

Of course, not as good

[winged apex]

the fanboying is crazy

[trail gorge]

hey guys I just like DLAA and DLDSR both a W

[sullen sand]

No, you're the one who started the fanboying

[jade widget]

I remember when anti-lag+ came out it got a bunch of people banned because of how scuffed the implementation was

[low token]

Man I just choose better product i do not care about price

[winged apex]

really? interesting i just remember saying amd was good?

[trail gorge]

Nvidia is pretty good too 🙂

[winged apex]

and not some awful garbage like people are pushed by the media to believe

[sullen sand]

No, you jumped on the guy for liking Nvidia because your GPU was cheaper and gets 5 more frames in Game X

Therefore you fanboyed

[trail gorge]

i dont think the general consensus is that amd is bad… u just on the bad side of the internet

[winged apex]

no i said an XTX can match a 4090 and also asked the person why they disliked amd, and countered with the fact that they fixed those issues

[low token]

Amd has only good cpus. Their gpus are still lacking

[sullen sand]

^

[jade widget]

You just happen to not like everything Nvidia does not a fanboy for AMD though

[low token]

You are stupid?

[somber elm]

ppl are made to believe they need reflex/antilag when they dont in the first place. If u care about lag then use lowest setting and then cpu bound > reflex

[trail gorge]

turn on raytracing

[somber elm]

whatever gpu gets u more fps is faster

[winged apex]

yes then i sent a list of issues with nvidia drivers

[winged apex]

i dont use rt bc its not good mind you btw i own a 4090

[sullen sand]

Yes a particular set of issues that happen with every software, it's normal

[jade widget]

Can't remember the last time nvidia had 6 months of blue screening on a gpu release like my 5700XT 👀

[sullen sand]

No software has ever been released without issues

[winged apex]

antilag/reflex only help when the gpu is at max load, out side of that it doesnt do anything

[trail gorge]

woa okay man why do you own a 4090 if the xtx is just better

[sullen sand]

You list 10 issues from a particular nvidia driver, someone else can drop 100 on a particular AMD driver

[winged apex]

i own both

[low token]

Ok and

[sullen sand]

What's your point, exactly?

[trail gorge]

why would you by bad 4090 if xtx is better

[winged apex]

nope not one driver.... this is a list that was tested with multiple versions, only one of the issues listed has been fixed since then

[winged apex]

because i test hardware tf

it is true, look at any testing of reflex, outside of 98-100% gpu load it doesnt do anything

[sullen sand]

If you test hardware then you would know there are more things that the 4090 is better at than vice versa

[winged apex]

i test gaming perf and latency thats it

[tough mauve]

@winged apexthis is a losing fight. nvidia stockholders are organizing a world wide propaganda war to raise the stock price and insult amd

[winged apex]

i do understand been testing this crap for years 🙂

[low token]

Well jensen makes fun of lisa on christmas table because her company is unable to compete with him

[winged apex]

ok if i dont know i want you to explain it

[trail gorge]

i wonder for what he tests HW for if he is so extremely bias to the point he cant acknowledge the 4090 is better performance wise (obv cost/performance is a different thing). I wonder why AMD is stepping back from the super high end gpu market if they are outperforming Nvidia 🙏

[sullen sand]

I mean I guess it's his particular niche hardware testing outfit

[winged apex]

wym stepping back? lol they are upping production of workstation hardware

[frozen flint]

you guys know that the ceo of Nvidia and AMD are cousins right?

[tough mauve]

bro do yall have nothing better to do, haul your asses to #🔌│tech , this channel is for the 80 lol

[frozen flint]

its all rigged XD

[eager sundial]

That’s what im sayin

stop the yappin

[low token]

I know

[sullen sand]

Yappity yap

[eager sundial]

nobody cares 4090 xtx blah, gpu give fps who cares

[polar stirrup]

When rtx 80he

[dim sierra]

Based

[frozen flint]

now the 5090 will probably be goated but will probably cost the small price of a kidney or two

[tough mauve]

wooting gpu

[frozen flint]

XD

[low token]

Leather case 80he with green led strip?

[winged apex]

love spending $3k on a gaming gpu lol

[frozen flint]

where is my wooting mouse at lol

[trail gorge]

i actually use a intel gpu that i directly wired into my wooting to control the rgb

[winged apex]

wait for the first 80he to ship kek

[valid comet]

Not distant but not close yeah

Silicon production runs in the family

Pixart 3950 sensor and hall effect switches

[winged apex]

damn bro got that Gamers nexus copy-pasta

[jade widget]

First cousins once removed (they share a grandfather)

[tough mauve]

Yappity yap

[trail flint]

Copy-pasta is better than not knowing the info

[low token]

Jensen fanboy

[jade widget]

How could you resist that leather jacket

[tough mauve]

nvidia agent

[low token]

No one cant

[valid comet]

Minecraft

[winged apex]

watch this booom

[low token]

Did you use vsync

[winged apex]

https://youtu.be/QzmoLJwS6eQ?si=Q3dxKgSk8MXcmST5&t=516 here 🙂

[valid comet]

Oh that is pretty close nvm

[tough mauve]

can't wait for the nvidia stock to crash

[winged apex]

listen to what he says btw very important, and almost exactly what i said kek

[frozen flint]

bruh

[silk pagoda]

Guys, no brand is better that the other, we don't care about who is the best, they are all just some greedy corporations that just want our money and become the number one inside this market
What is important is that you are happy with your purchase and that for what you have paid you get more out of it compared to an another product from a different brand that cost the same but give you less for the money
Let's focus on keyboard and not fighting on who is the best company..

[frozen flint]

nvidia makes way too much profit lol they sell each gpu at like a 2000% profit

XD

[winged apex]

he tested with vsync off and on. with vsync on, reflex did not lower system latency

[valid comet]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[winged apex]

having competition is good, you want intel, amd and nvidia all in the market

no compeition means the consumer you will lose

[valid comet]

The good ending, leave gpu return to kb

[low token]

Alright guys. What gmk keycaps are you buying

[fallen epoch]

none

[frozen flint]

yeah who wants the new giga chad gpu the Giga card get 10k fps on cyberpunk and get the new chad oled screen at 10k hz

[fallen epoch]

[winged apex]

anything thats in japanese and englishkek

[low token]

They have gmk katagana

[valid comet]

When will OLEDs be able to do BFI in 1 frame instead of 2 frames

[sullen sand]

Why buy GMK when I can get the same fps from AliExpress?

[winged apex]

not bad, i did get the one for the 80he

[rotund compass]

Hey, quick question, i've fished around and I haven't found an answer, whats the benefit to getting the zinc version of the 80he?

is it just the premium feel?

[winged apex]

weight, sound

[valid comet]

Heavy and sound I guess, feel too

[winged apex]

plastic has a "hollow" sound to it, if that makes sense?

[sullen sand]

You also get a travel case with the zinc case 🙂

[valid comet]

Also you get a case with it for free

[frozen flint]

the chad moniter will lift the BFI of 10k frames in 0.00000000000000000000000000000001 seconds which will give it the fastest frames

[winged apex]

oh that too kek

[rotund compass]

fair enough, thank you, now the debate is it worth the extra money

[winged apex]

you get a $50 carrying case

[rotund compass]

sold

[valid comet]

I just need impulsed because sample and hold displays dont really look good for me

[tough mauve]

idk, bought it anyways

[frozen flint]

hey i was sold on the free key switches

[rotund compass]

lmaoo, thats the vibe im on

[sullen sand]

Your keyboard will weigh like 20x more, feel better and make you happier as a person in general, maybe it will complete your life?

So yeah, worth it

[winged apex]

^^^^^

[rotund compass]

you've all conviced me, zinc it is

[frozen flint]

iv been looking at getting an oled ill probably end up getting one at the end of the year or start of next year though cuz there are some interesting ones coming out currently