🌟│wooting80he

[verbal solar]

Disney sucks ass now dude

[heavy flax]

holey moly

[verbal solar]

And it doesn’t help their also supporting someone else

[minor ginkgo]

Mine was about people complaining about something they didn't like and it was changed to something that turned out to be very popular

[verbal solar]

Ong

[heavy flax]

Sorry for voicing my opinion. I will now give wooting all my money

[tranquil void]

mine was about people complaining about something they didn't like and it was changed to something that was disliked by masses of people

[verbal solar]

when and where

[heavy flax]

What 😭

[tranquil void]

I made my statement because I wanted to show you something equally absurd in the other direction.

[hexed dawn]

I think either way all has been said on the matter, hasn't it

[tranquil void]

Yes.

[verbal solar]

@ebon sluice i am serious, tell me

They advertising the exact same stuff though

How the hell did you type that in .2s

[tranquil void]

honestly that's tragic

[verbal solar]

Literally advertising the same stuff as the wooting

It’s very clear they’re trying to copy them

V u turn me on

[heavy flax]

who designed the analog switches anyway

[verbal solar]

I’m joking don’t ban me please

[verbal solar]

George Clooney

[verbal solar]

drama makes u horny?

[heavy flax]

✅

[verbal solar]

No V does

interesting

[zinc hedge]

Honestly would you guys opt for the %60 or %80 at this point, keep in mind the full overview of the %80 hasn’t been said yet

[heavy flax]

cool

[tranquil void]

preference
I'll buy an 80HE anyway

[hexed dawn]

if I didn't have the 60 already and needed more keys, I'd probably get the Two

[heavy flax]

i would probably just use my 60% and purchase an extra keypad or utilize the function layer

[tranquil void]

why would i buy another 60HE

[verbal solar]

There’s no need for any other size imo for what the wooting is advertising there’s no reason you would need any size but a 60%

[verbal solar]

Holly shit touch a girl

[verbal solar]

honestly i would, if i wouldn't have bought a 2nd case for mine and the module

Respectfully

[tranquil void]

Uh I do

[verbal solar]

Can u touch me

[tranquil void]

Unlike you, with consent

[verbal solar]

[verbal solar]

I don’t rape people tf 💀💀

[tranquil void]

I have a 60HE+ on order too

[verbal solar]

brothers

we need to chill

[minor ginkgo]

Oh, now the defending of Wooting makes more sense

[tranquil void]

now touching and raping are quite far apart

[tranquil void]

Nah

[verbal solar]

What

[tranquil void]

I have opinions on everything, it's why I have things you don't

[verbal solar]

Who u talking to

tell em bub

[zinc hedge]

Honestly, was hoping for a tkl wooting for the longest, seeing the backlash that its getting is tuff but honestly dont mind the minor miss alignment

[verbal solar]

What the hell

[tranquil void]

Never liked the alumaze or take control strap

[glad fable]

is that a metal strap

[verbal solar]

wait wtf

[tranquil void]

So I made this

[verbal solar]

Bro she says i touch people w out consent

Or he I honestly don’t know

[heavy flax]

yea its honestly not that big of a deal

[verbal solar]

Not in a rude way

[lime aspen]

puts my custom strap to shame

[tranquil void]

how dense can you be to not understand that that was said jokingly

[verbal solar]

Bro the hell does that mean

?????

[heavy flax]

just tryna push for it getting changed slightly before its released though

[lime aspen]

take a joke

[verbal solar]

Dude obviously it was jokingly said I’m not taking it seriously

u sure?

Yes bro 💀

[tranquil void]

nah you made a custom strap, that's very cool in itself

[weak ore]

boo huu huu boo huu huu huu huu huu huu huu boo

[verbal solar]

show ur strap

[zinc hedge]

The layout works for me personally

[verbal solar]

Pause

[weak ore]

on

[verbal solar]

😭

u horny ass fuckers

Did this mf just reply to me with a Mulan song

[tranquil void]

You went out an created something because you didn't like the available option

That's respectable in itself @lime aspen

[verbal solar]

thats sick wtf u talkin shit for

[lime aspen]

I'm just saying the metal one is cooler

[buoyant jacinth]

very nice

[verbal solar]

Yeah that thing kinda mid ngl

[lime aspen]

Ty

[verbal solar]

It looks like a 2016 edit

💀

With those overplayed songs

[weak ore]

💀

[verbal solar]

Fearless

[lime aspen]

It was very low effort but looks a lot better than stock strap

[verbal solar]

Fearless Whoa o o o o ahh keyboard

[weak ore]

i love the stock strap on

[verbal solar]

Yeah it’s nice I’m joking

[sage reef]

Wooting team shouldn't listen to this discord or reddit for like 1 week, because now is when all reactionary and unaware takes happen - not realizing why this choice was made or if moving the keys is even better, it's just "key align" type of arguments.

[minor ginkgo]

It looks good, be proud

[verbal solar]

Cuz I can joke

[lime aspen]

Took image off Google and dtf transferred it on polyester strap

[verbal solar]

And I wasn’t taking it serious

[lime aspen]

If you have the press/printer it's very easy to make

[tranquil void]

how did you do that?

[buoyant jacinth]

Not 80HE related, but here's my custom strap

[weak ore]

thank you for reminding me about

[tranquil void]

Holy fuck

[fallen epoch]

Can i eat it?

[lime aspen]

That looks so good with those keycaps omg

[weak ore]

HEY THATS FIRE

[tranquil void]

oh my god that's gorgeous

[weak ore]

HEY HEY HEY HEY HEY

[verbal solar]

i'd make one too, but i switched to the redux but thats sick af

[weak ore]

THATS ORGASM LEVEL PRETTY

[minor ginkgo]

I've never thought about making a custom strap but now I want to look into how

[verbal solar]

I’m fully erected as we speak

[zinc hedge]

Where do you guys get these

[fallen epoch]

The void

[verbal solar]

My Johnson is pointing to the sky

[lime aspen]

Inkjet printer and a T-shirt press

[verbal solar]

LOL

[zinc hedge]

so your in copper

[verbal solar]

So we’re in copper

[lime aspen]

It's called DTF/direct to film

[glad fable]

Im going to go rewatch this movie now

[tranquil void]

oohh, and then heat?

[agile rampart]

my brothers in christ its keyboards. Y'all wilding

[lime aspen]

Yeah the T-shirt press is heated, idk which one we have

[verbal solar]

All of that for a custom strap kinda crazy

[lime aspen]

You can also just use a clothes iron

[verbal solar]

EXACTLY

[lime aspen]

But it's not as consistent

[tranquil void]

Ιf I'm not satisfied with my options, I'll make something or change

[opaque idol]

“I’m fully erected as we speak”😭

[verbal solar]

Uh the past is in the past

[verbal solar]

Interesting mind set

[weak ore]

grandma

[verbal solar]

you must have a small dick for that to take seconds

[hexed dawn]

yes dear

[tranquil void]

😉

[verbal solar]

I sent that a 10:58

u didnt

Bro scroll up

no

Well my time at least

i do not care

my opinion is superior

[tranquil void]

cute first date ideas:
eat the call of duty menu together

[verbal solar]

Makes sense have a good day

[verbal solar]

Holly shit

[verbal solar]

call of duty menu????

[midnight iron]

Ah nice to see people were calm and discussed the new board rationally earlier today. Definitely no arguments above this message

[verbal solar]

I’m erected a again

[tranquil void]

I was as suprised as you are.

[verbal solar]

💀💀

[verbal solar]

Yeah

[fallen epoch]

Gonna go blue at some point

[zinc hedge]

dude, thats somewhat cool

[dire heath]

peaceful discussions indeed

[verbal solar]

burger king is fucking dogshit

[verbal solar]

Wanna help

[fallen epoch]

Guh

[zinc hedge]

I wanna see a Tom Clancy Menu

[tranquil void]

YEP

[glad fable]

Yes every release has been calm and collected so far 😊

[real gulch]

is this the new general

[zinc hedge]

its good imo

[tranquil void]

You know why I was there?

To prove to a friend it was dogshit

[hexed dawn]

the cod menu

[verbal solar]

Zip it up when ur done

[weak ore]

HEY

[verbal solar]

Don’t ban me V

[weak ore]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-smile-violet-evergarden-gif-22122143

I LOVE VIOLET EVERGARDEN

[dire heath]

u guys don’t understand tho… if the keys aren’t aligned how will i go from iron to radiant

[verbal solar]

I can’t get into anime dude

That shit just EHEHDBDN

[fallen epoch]

How many frogs do you think would fit on the 80HE

[verbal solar]

marin kitawaga too

[verbal solar]

How big r the frogs

[tranquil void]

I said where you wanna eat, choose everything but burger king

the mf said is bk really that bad and i was like, you gon learn today

[fallen epoch]

About 3 fingers length

[tranquil void]

and then the legendary cod menu appeared

[verbal solar]

I would rather have bk over McDonald’s

[weak ore]

meow

[tranquil void]

:)

[verbal solar]

Like 5-8

[weak ore]

the most expensive bk burger > mcdonalds

[fallen epoch]

Thats a nice amount of frogs

[tranquil void]

fuck bk i aint eating that

[lime aspen]

i refuse to eat either of those

[weak ore]

i find everything else on bk pretty much dogshit tbh

[tranquil void]

honestly subway is my jam

[verbal solar]

But not because I enjoy the food more it’s because of political reasons I don’t think need to be discussed in a keyboard related discord

[weak ore]

subway is surely the way to go

[tranquil void]

fucking love subway

[weak ore]

cookie n drinks <3

[verbal solar]

I like how u can get a 6 inch w chips and a drink for like 6$

[zinc hedge]

Cancer sandwhiches

[tranquil void]

Ahhhh I see. Understandable tbh

[hexed dawn]

subway is top tier junk food

[tranquil void]

i usually get a footlong with beef stuff lil onion lettuce and garlic sauce

[opaque idol]

ive been meaning to watch it'

[zinc hedge]

Pretty sure the cookies are mmo or whatever you call it

[weak ore]

its top tier

[turbid sleet]

subway the most mid basic fast food you can get

[verbal solar]

What r fast food restaurants that market/appeal to be healthy but are nowhere near healthy

Panera is high up on that list Fs

[zinc hedge]

raising canes i think

[opaque idol]

jimmy johns > subway

[turbid sleet]

yes

[verbal solar]

I usually get the cold cut w out banana peppers they put too much

[zinc hedge]

whats that other place called

[tranquil void]

shut up if liking subway means im a basic bitch then so be it

[verbal solar]

How do they market healthiness that’s pure fried chicken

[minor ginkgo]

Subway had to legally stop calling their bread bread because it isn't bread

[turbid sleet]

there's so many better options out there for the same price

[tranquil void]

ooh i should try tht sometime

[zinc hedge]

ngl i was thinking it was “healthy” when i first saw them

[verbal solar]

Yeah it’s low key fire

[hexed dawn]

sounds like skibidi toilet to me (I do not live in the former colonies)

[verbal solar]

💀

[zinc hedge]

I was like “oh they have a bread combo that looks good”

[turbid sleet]

chipotle clears all

[tranquil void]

my pc is white
do i look like i care about 3 euros

[zinc hedge]

Yet to try it to this day

[verbal solar]

Oh yeah the carbs with the greece filled fried chicken looks great

[opaque idol]

u need whataburger🇺🇸

[turbid sleet]

tf does that mean

💀

My PC is blue and I own Tesla

[verbal solar]

Panera is literally the ultimate restaurant that looks healthy but is nowhere near healthy

[verbal solar]

My pc is white and I own a Tesla

[opaque idol]

white pc parts r more expensive

[tranquil void]

white pc parts are quite a bit more expensive than their black/regular counterparts

[verbal solar]

Not true

[hexed dawn]

I am white and my PC is a Tesla

[verbal solar]

True

[turbid sleet]

my pc isn't white but the rest of my setup is

[verbal solar]

same

except

[glad fable]

black tesla underrated tho

[turbid sleet]

not to mention I said there's better stuff not cheaper stuff

[verbal solar]

I am black and my PC is NASA

[verbal solar]

Black ❌ Matte black ✅

[glad fable]

yeye matte black

[verbal solar]

Idk how u spell it

[minor ginkgo]

Poor Matt

[verbal solar]

lol

[tranquil void]

don't always have time for it. local is nice but when i go there i want to take my time to enjoy it

[minor ginkgo]

Matte is correct though

[zinc hedge]

Looked good with that sauce

[tranquil void]

when im on the road i cba much

[opaque idol]

nowadays ppl will drop 10k for a miata

[verbal solar]

That sexy sodium filled sauce

[zinc hedge]

Always got something to say

[verbal solar]

Nah I’m joking

[zinc hedge]

About cravings

Never tried it but been wanting to

[verbal solar]

Canes is really good

[zinc hedge]

although seeing how you said it makes me wanna lay off of it

[verbal solar]

If you have Zaby’s near you it’s similar

[verbal solar]

Nah it’s really good im joking lol

[tranquil void]

Zanzibar

[verbal solar]

What the hell is that

I want to try jollibee they just opened one up near me

[zinc hedge]

Closest zaxbys is 10 hours away

[verbal solar]

💀

[dire heath]

jollibee is really good

[verbal solar]

Yeah I heard looks great, I didn’t know they sold burgers though I was suprised

[zinc hedge]

Gotta drive 10 hours to utah

[verbal solar]

Have u guys in and out or shake shack before

[verbal solar]

lol

Shake shack is so top tier dude

[tranquil void]

common utah w

[verbal solar]

In and out is also pretty good

[zinc hedge]

In-N-out is good when its fresh

[verbal solar]

Yeah Fs but those fries…

Fresh but literally not a once of seasoning

[opaque idol]

yall making me hungry

[zinc hedge]

habit burgers are solid aswell

[verbal solar]

Same bro my Johnson is once again sky rocketed as I’m typing

[verbal solar]

Fs

[zinc hedge]

Their green frenchfries i forgot what they’re called

[verbal solar]

Yes bro

[dire heath]

this discord makes me wanna spend absurd money on keyboards just for me to suck at games and now making me wanna get some food

[glad fable]

All apart of the cycle

[verbal solar]

W

[verbal solar]

i already did the 1st part

Alr I’m prob gonna dip now though I gotta go to universal tmr

[opaque idol]

thought i would be satisfied with l45s but now i want jades

[verbal solar]

Yeah we see

[verbal solar]

u see what

[dire heath]

i got geon raptors and stem swapped them with the lekkers and now jades wanna pop up lol

[glad fable]

Jades sound very good

[verbal solar]

Ur obsession w wooting keyboards

?

[opaque idol]

ik

[verbal solar]

What r u confused ab

i only have 2 wooting keyboards

otherwise i have 4 customs

[opaque idol]

and now i want a salvation or a frog mini

[turbid sleet]

it is probably the fastest yeah

[opaque idol]

for my wooting

[dire heath]

frog mini would be fire

[glad fable]

Get salvation ;DDD

[dire heath]

but you gotta make a custom plate

[verbal solar]

Yeah Ik..? Still 1 more then u need though ur money but they do the same thing. Point is when you said they already got me there or wtv I said Ik cuz I see ur roles

[dire heath]

anyone trying out other HE keyboards from other brands?

[opaque idol]

once i get my bread back up

[dire heath]

ik keychron is releasing one which looks interesting

[glad fable]

Salvation looks seggsy

[opaque idol]

im wooting loyalist

[dire heath]

understandable they already got it figured out

competition never hurts tho

[opaque idol]

imo its not the best looking but their leaf spring tray mount seems so nice

[opaque idol]

i like the redux looks the most tho

except the gross ring around the port

[glad fable]

I love the inside of the salvation

[opaque idol]

do yk if its heavier then redux

with brass weight

[verbal solar]

it is

by 100 grams

[opaque idol]

i wish it had thinner bezels

[verbal solar]

same

[opaque idol]

like redux

redux is top tier in looks but traditional tray mount is mid

[tranquil void]

eh if you want something heavy I could have a bronze alumaze machined

[opaque idol]

the alumaze just isnt it for me

[tranquil void]

heavy metal

[opaque idol]

i dont like the strap at all

[tranquil void]

The current finishes aren't my favourite

[opaque idol]

im just not rly a fan of the design

i hate assymetry

it makes my brain hurt

thats why i dont like alumaze

[tranquil void]

[verbal solar]

gimme that strap

[tranquil void]

no

[verbal solar]

:(

[opaque idol]

ig im unlucky then

[tranquil void]

tbh symmetry is waiting for something to ruin it i guess

[zinc hedge]

I can see the context behind it

[verbal solar]

what abt the front height?

is it over 20mm?

[tranquil void]

we need alumaze width wristrests

[verbal solar]

the alumaze looks nice but man the redux sounds much better to me

[zinc hedge]

All about the sound at this point

[verbal solar]

i'm probably gonna sell mine and the old60he pcb as a full build

[opaque idol]

someone needs to make the perfect case for 60he

[verbal solar]

the tofu redux is basically perfect

i have 2 60he's one being the module coming soon so I'm for sure selling my old one

[opaque idol]

externally yes but i would prefer different mounting style

[vernal ridge]

80he is just 80% kb?

[verbal solar]

try gummy o ring mount

[opaque idol]

im using screw in stabs

[verbal solar]

u have module?

[opaque idol]

once i get it

[verbal solar]

use snap in stabs then

i like the sound with it better believe it or not

without*

i need sleep

i think the switches sound even worse

with geons or jades maybe not

[opaque idol]

i thought they werent compatable

[verbal solar]

i am actually curious abt this 80HE, I wouldn't main it but it should be an interesting add to the collection

[dire heath]

are ks37's the only switches with dual rails?

[verbal solar]

i'd like to do that too, then i can reasonably buy the 80HE

[dire heath]

i think ill buy one more board and then stop (hopefully)

[sage reef]

@TEAM WOOTING
Don't be discouraged by reddit/discord negative reception, this is just initial reactionary response from people not realizing why doing 80HE this way is better and also why having arrow keys this way is the only good way to do it, there is no better way - the current way is charming/playful, more aesthetically fitting, the light bar fits better because of 3 reasons, the arrow key "tetris block" is now attached and feels good, compared to some detached way to "align" it to something - something that would overall make it worse, good distance to Ctrl key (would be too big if moved).
wait a few days, the reactionary attitude will subside, and then continue to update on its features, and then people will accept it even more and more.

[weak ore]

, , QWWWWQQ?q\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

423XCD

[midnight iron]

Honestly it’s the keyboard world, there was always going to be massive backlash over a non aesthetically pleasing layout

[worn prairie]

There’s negative reception?

That keeb is everything I asked for can’t arrive soon enough

[midnight iron]

I’m not the biggest fan of the keycap argument for being anti 75% since it doesn’t apply to any enthusiast sets but it is what it is

Will still get it in the end since I need f row

[weak ore]

my bad i was trying to put on my gummy oring friction mount

it still gets kinda loose

SOOOO I TRIED TESTING IT WITH GRAVITY

and im on mobile now

[hazy cove]

On the other hand I think 75s have become ubiquitous enough that even $20 aliexpress sets will include support for it

The layout really took off in the last 3 ish years

[midnight iron]

Yeah I mean I agree. Calder brought up the topic of some mainstream stuff like hyper x sets not having the keycaps, but personally I think catering towards mainstream buyers of those old sets is odd when it sacrifices your core audience of enthusiasts

[hazy cove]

Even razer has a 75% now

[midnight iron]

I still think non exploded 75% with standardish f row would have satisfied the largest number of people by far

[hazy cove]

Yeah probably

To me it just feels like there are 2 groups of people who want this product and so we’re making something for a third group

[midnight iron]

They just better be cooking with whatever this other thing they’re developing is that supposedly makes the layout make sense

[hazy cove]

Maybe it’s a numpad

Who knows

[sage reef]

no Del key

[hazy cove]

You can remap it

[midnight iron]

He’s joking lol. The real question is what would the sales of the board look like between the different options of layouts

Like I’m sure no matter which they picked it would sell out and be back ordered. But certain layouts would for sure be more sales

[hazy cove]

I’m surprised Calder went with this instead of a standard 80 since he’s voiced his dislike of blockers in the past

[ebon sluice]

Whaaa! If there's a better mod than that strap, I have yet to see it. Diggidy!

[hazy cove]

It was one of the reasons they went with a 60 over a 65

[worn prairie]

I don’t understand the arguments

[sage reef]

current 80HE is good, you will get used to it in some days.
what's very important is having Del key always on the same spot, always next to backslash, but also equally important there must be space under the Del key, so it's easy to recognize and harder to misclick - this is why 80HE layout is like perfect. any 75% or even exloded 75% almost never do this with Del key (the space under it).
there must also be gap between main body and right section.

[hazy cove]

That’s just like, your opinion, man

[hazy cove]

Where’s the del key

[sage reef]

60HE is actually still pretty good for coding, but it's still a bit flow-breaking to exert extra effort, moving hand and fingers more, using Del key or Arrows, or F keys. Doable but 80HE will really be perfect for coding/gaming/typing. TKL would be too boring and also a bit too wide, mouse space is very important when centering the keyboard (G|H).

[midnight iron]

It’s honestly purely aesthetics for most people

Functionally there’s no loss, they just would have preferred a more efficient layout if it wasn’t going to be tkl

People will get over it eventually though. Other layout would have been better but it’s still a wooting with f row keys and arrows like most people prefer

[silver dust]

its looks ok but a 75 or tkl would have just worked better imo

especially a 75 with a knob

[zinc hedge]

Thats so generic

[silver dust]

but it works so well

[worn prairie]

Honestly I wouldnt change anything

[midnight iron]

Yeah basically most people’s thoughts are same. It’s not end of the world though, so folks will adapt

[silver dust]

yea, no point in complaining about what isnt going to be changed

but i think the layout is going to be a deal breaker for when i do choose to move on from my 60he

[midnight iron]

I’m now curious to see final colorway for the black zinc alloy

[silver dust]

i just need the f-rows for programming and the arrows for text editing

[midnight iron]

I just hope it’s a clean simple colorway, otherwise I’m taking it to get cerakoted

[worn prairie]

I wish the announcement was that it was already available to order and not that the campaign is starting

I’m stuck with this beauty

[weak ore]

ILL BUY IT FROM U

[spark hound]

All those media keys! Nice

[silver dust]

between this, the drunkdeer a75, and the keychron q1he, it seems ill stick to the upgrade path of the drunkdeer or q1he

[midnight iron]

Eh drunkdeer software is scuffed

[silver dust]

its web-based now isnt it?

[midnight iron]

I’d buy a lot of other boards before the a75

[midnight iron]

It has major issues with rt just cutting off due to software/hardware issues

[weak ore]

theres a reason why so many of us dickride wooting, and its only for you to find out, or not :)

[midnight iron]

If you check their discord channel for a75 it’s literally every day people asking why their rapid trigger is cutting off

[silver dust]

well i hope the q1he doesnt have the same issue

[midnight iron]

And no response other than ‘we hope a firmware update will fix it next week’ but they say that every week

It’s been months now and it’s still not consistent rt

[verbal solar]

buying a product on future promises

[worn prairie]

For 1 million wootillions I’ll sell it to you

It’s ps2 not usb

[midnight iron]

Yeah and their support staff is literally unpaid college kids for all their tech issues

The whole experience is scuffed

[verbal solar]

keychron and kbdfans should be interesting competitors

yeah thats what im scared of

[next osprey]

hoping the keychron q1 he gets it right fr

[dire heath]

fr

[midnight iron]

I have the most faith in geon of all the other 75%/tkl options, but even his one is very niche and not for mass production

[silver dust]

yep, has there been any updatae on its release yet?

[midnight iron]

End of Jan for geons pcb, only 300 units total

[dire heath]

i keep on considering to pledge for the q1 he but idek without reviews

[verbal solar]

dont b4 people review it

[midnight iron]

Q1 he is the worst 75% format

[silver dust]

what about the q1he and kbdfans equiv?

[dire heath]

yeah ill prob wait

[midnight iron]

The kdbfans one is limited too since it’s a rakka collab

[silver dust]

oh ok

[midnight iron]

Q1 he we have to wait and see because we have no idea how consistent their rt will be or how flushed out

[verbal solar]

also u can match it with a wooting module in a tofu, cf plate and jades for sound

[midnight iron]

There’s booq75 but realistically speaking I love my zoom75 but have no trust in meletrix to maintain high end gaming software when it took them months just to get 1k wireless polling working properly

[verbal solar]

i checked the reddit again and its funny af

[dire heath]

the wooting reddit?

[verbal solar]

their entire argumnent is this: Not my layout=company is dead

[dire heath]

yeah i saw that earlier lol so hilarious

[worn prairie]

😂😂

Redditors are special

[verbal solar]

they asked for 75

this is tehnically considered a 65 so the wooting 80he can also be considered a 75

[worn prairie]

They need apology video with tears

New wooting reminds me of the epomaker with the screen

[midnight iron]

People underestimate the software difference between rt boards. Heck even I didn’t realize the drunkdeer was quite as buggy as it is until friend bought one and I got to try it

[dire heath]

people on reddit were panicking about customization but there is not any cases out there for most 75% keyboards

[midnight iron]

A lot of these non wootings have consistent rt issues or weird bugs or force you to set all keys to same actuation/rt to work properly

[glad fable]

because they only made the rapid trigger to hop on the bandwagon

People tend to be like “oo oo rapid trigger cheaper i buy”

and forget entirely about everything else

[verbal solar]

also cheap=good value apparently

[worn prairie]

Pochita pfp = you’re now my best friend

[glad fable]

😊❤️

[dire heath]

i cant wait until they show us the "light" color version of the plastic 80he

[verbal solar]

we need S2 of chainsaw man

[worn prairie]

It’s gonna be a movie

[turbid sleet]

yeah i was holding out for the new wooting but ill stick to the q1 he

[worn prairie]

Already announced 🤤

[verbal solar]

i want something like this for the 80he

[silver dust]

yea but idk

[verbal solar]

this pc looks sick

[dire heath]

that would be fire

[silver dust]

i got the new gatern jade but i dont have enough to cover all the keys

[worn prairie]

I love that

[verbal solar]

they sell 70 packs

a 60% has 61

[glad fable]

I wish gaming keyboard standards would have wob keycaps instead of shinethrough ones because rgb

[silver dust]

and i only got 1, ik its enough for the 60%, but not enough for a 84 key 75% layout

[weary knoll]

you expect too much from wooting

good news

[verbal solar]

im on wob rn and i'm gonna switch to smth else

[worn prairie]

What is wob

[weary knoll]

geon pcb work woth tiger lite in your picture

[midnight iron]

Calder said potential of stocking those gateron jades

[glad fable]

White on Black

[midnight iron]

So that’s neat at least

[worn prairie]

I want a vanta black keyboard

[midnight iron]

Now they need to do the gateron jades but swap top housing to nylon

I’d be curious how that sounds

[dire heath]

i just need a white case with wob keycaps

[silver dust]

i just want a mostly clear and thocky hall effect switch with low bottom out force

[dire heath]

and then i will be done

probably not but hopefully

[worn prairie]

Black on black

On black

[midnight iron]

Did keychron actually list a ship date for their q1 he?

I’m still curious to see how their software works out when it launches

[dire heath]

i hope it's not after the preorders start to ship since that is all the way in march

[midnight iron]

Oh found it, feb/march they say

[dire heath]

i believe reviewers should start getting the board and making their vids somewhere in january

[fast hound]

hot topic q1 he or zinc 80he

[dire heath]

as of right now i am leaning towards 80he bc we already know wootings software is great

[midnight iron]

I care about software so it’s still 80he all day

[dire heath]

i doubt keychron can get everything down in their first he/rapid trigger implementation but im rooting for them

[fast hound]

it looks like q1 will be way cheaper, but offering even double gasket and build same, I like this sound knob 😄

[midnight iron]

Isn’t it $200?

[dire heath]

215 fully assembled i think

[midnight iron]

Yeah I don’t see how that’d be much cheaper than wooting lol

[fast hound]

because wooting in regular case will be on this price

[midnight iron]

I’d make the decision mostly on if you’re okay giving up wooting software for a sound knob

People keep forgetting rapid trigger board is all about software

[glad fable]

If you have enough time to care about the sound you have enough time to put in the effort on a wooting

[worn prairie]

i hope that lightbar on the 80he is a bit more defused

[silver dust]

i travel alot, so having a better layout is something i have to prioritize more between the 2 boards

[fast hound]

not allu, and zinc option will be like in 60he, regular for 215usd and allu60he ca.500$

[midnight iron]

Lol no

[silver dust]

the 60he is nicely portable

[midnight iron]

It’s not $500, they said the price difference wouldn’t be that much even though zinc is more expensive

[silver dust]

but programming with it in school is hell

[mystic timber]

I'm really debating between the keychron Q1 HE or the wooting 80HE....

[silver dust]

i prefer my laptop keys for such use cases instead

[dire heath]

honestly im in the same boat but i decided to wait for reviews for the Q1 HE

[fast hound]

q1 also provide rapid trigger also, you think that it will be not good? what about 2.4 wireless

[midnight iron]

Yeah I wouldn’t blind buy a new he board unless I somehow know the company can pull it off on first try

[midnight iron]

A lot of boards have rapid trigger. A lot of them also have rt issues that aren’t known until you dig a bit

Blind buying a rt board without reviews is like wanting a Ferrari so you buy a $50 one on alibaba and cross fingers

A lot of them have massive issues with key dropouts and software bugs

[fast hound]

I hope, because ordering 60he in plastic is 215$ and build own buy module60he+ is 500$

[worn prairie]

That’s an easy choice

[fast hound]

if it would be same for zinc, q1 definitely will won case material designee battle, juicy plastic back put in a front will not save

[midnight iron]

Calder already confirmed less than $150 more

[dire heath]

im hoping 100 more max

[fast hound]

my friend used "other company" and he is pretty fine for him, also they revenue more, so idk if they can't hire people, even software will be in browser

[dire heath]

something similar to alumaze pricing would be clutch

[midnight iron]

The problem is there’s a big gap between pretty fine and top tier

[fast hound]

they said that zinc alloy cost more than regular alu

so I guess it can't be same as alu for 60he, zinc for 80

more material which costs more

[dire heath]

less than 150 tho

[worn prairie]

100 more is still too much lol

[dire heath]

we'll find out more details soon

[fast hound]

yeah, actually zinc alloy is cheap, its not something extraordinary

[dire heath]

i might just get plastic anyways since it will have a light color variation

plus to save money

[fast hound]

but... its how market works, go make 10kg keyboard from meteorit and sell it for few millions

[midnight iron]

for example, drunkdeer has rt and their board is 'ok' for most people. But then you dig in and realize a lot of people have bugs with it actually and their solution is literally just turn it down or don't use that setting when it's buggy:

[fast hound]

nah, I was taking 1.5h coaching session to decide about two he and 80he, now q1 appears and "Case" category was marked as 10/10 by list of important things for me, so metal because you will touch it every day

[midnight iron]

rapid trigger performance in software is often like this for a lot of non wooting brands. Just weird and buggy at low settings

[fast hound]

drunkdeer obv clone 0 innovations. but q1 is acctually offering same as 80he on presentation. Idk how it will be in real life, but both companies are making high end keyboards isn't it?

[wraith geode]

@midnight iron what keyboard is this?

[midnight iron]

it's drunkdeer. Their a75 has a ton of software issues with rt

[wraith geode]

thats literally the perfect layout

[midnight iron]

keychron has to do the same though. They're a hardware company and need to build the rt software from scratch

the idea that these companies will have it good and working from round 1 is pretty low odds

razer with their billions of dollars took until round 2 to get theirs working smoothly

[fast hound]

at all?

[mystic timber]

Why is it an easy choice/what would you choose?

[midnight iron]

they used qmk/via stuff before, so now they have to build rapid trigger from scratch because it's not a thing native to the software they use

[worn prairie]

Wooting

[fast hound]

from video perspectiv functionalities looks similar

[midnight iron]

of course from video it's same. It's just a demo

[silver dust]

tbf i heard that rt will be a feature on qmk/via from the minipad discord iirc

[midnight iron]

from video demo the higround rapid trigger keyboard is amazing too - but from performance it's one of the worst keyboards released in 2023 and performs worse than just a normal non rt keyboard

[midnight iron]

i'm sure it will be eventually. These things take a lot of time and iterations though and people banking on buying round 1 hoping it'll work as well as a wooting don't have good odds

[worn prairie]

Wootility + lekker 🔛🔝

[dire heath]

did they show off the zinc alloy case yet or no?

or mention the color

[midnight iron]

confirmed black

[dire heath]

dang

was hoping for silver or white

[midnight iron]

if i don't like their black i'm booking a cerakote locally and going to do zinc alloy in coated white i think

[fast hound]

thats important for me, because I play cs2

As I remember there will be no raw metal version? only painted

[dire heath]

i think ill have to copy you with that cerakote idea

[lyric sparrow]

Wonder if they will include the delete key in the box...

[midnight iron]

the only thing i'm worried about is the led strip, if I can take it out will make cerakote easier, but if it's stuck in there then have to mask it properly

[fast hound]

ok the only way zinc case can be with price similar to alu60 is about lower melting temperature and reducing energy costs, so finger crossed

[fast hound]

this led on 80he looks cheap

[dire heath]

nvm not getting the zinc alloy case if its gonna melt at 400 degrees celsius

[fast hound]

why it isn't smooth idk

[dire heath]

unacceptable

[midnight iron]

we'll get a lot more details leading up to campaign i'm sure, especially about the upcoming 'extra thing that goes with 80he' to explain their format

[fast hound]

will not suit for dota or cs

[plucky yarrow]

Did Calder say anything about the finish of the zinc case?

ah

speculations still then, thanks.

[zinc hedge]

[fast hound]

also interesting topic what is this "additional" idea of this 80 designee , additional numpad for gta5 and cyberfactoryworkers excel enjoyers?

[midnight iron]

i get the feeling extra module thing is the one that makes the most sense. Like expandable and then there's some logo or clip thing that goes across the arrow area that makes it look less 'weird blank space'

[lyric sparrow]

Was not at all a fan, but looking at it more and knowing the keys will be in the box, I would not at all mind dumping print screen and pause and shuffling that cluster of keys around

[dire heath]

my theory is

gameboy module that clips on side of keyboard

remember me when im right

[midnight iron]

they do need to make it clear in the launch video though

so people at least see a reasoning for the weird layout stuff. People are a lot more willing to cut some slack for stuff like that as long as they have a proper reason

hopefully it's something that gets shown in the founders campaign, or at least explained

[fast hound]

thanks god that zinc will be available at launch

[lyric sparrow]

probably just a game of keep it narrow as possible

[dire heath]

what keycap sets are you guys planning to pair with the 80he?

[midnight iron]

because it has f13 i'm moving my epbt hangul bow keycap set to it and using the 2 artisan keys

[dire heath]

i love that blue

[dire heath]

wob and bow sets are always clean

i was thinking gmk katakanas or gmk honor light

[midnight iron]

I bought both artisans before one for esc key but I have leftover white one I haven't found use for

[fast hound]

full pack of custom caps will suit 80he? I sticked to low/flat profile rather than OEM

[midnight iron]

thankfully it will go perfect in the f13 slot

[fast hound]

smth like this also possible

[midnight iron]

i require matching only white black since my whole setup is monochrome lol

[fast hound]

yeah, I see, but I like that idea of single art caps

[dire heath]

white and black with small accents of other colors is my go to

[fast hound]

btw what about gta5/gta6 fly without numpad? is it comfortable to rebind keys for "p" "l" ";" "." instead?

any other pitfalls except the lack of "right enter" for photoshop

[outer moon]

https://youtu.be/F18ZLbJkgNg?si=aCm9LnEqUr19jK-3

[winter coral]

After one night sleep, Keychron Q1 HE is now on Position 1 and HE80 is ranker lower.

[spark hound]

What ever are you talking about

[fast hound]

everyone scared by software from keych

[midnight iron]

Yep saw this awhile ago. The issue with some of those like polar65 is no per key setting

[weary knoll]

wooting milk 60he long enough

[midnight iron]

Notice it's mostly the companies that built their own software that are ranked higher and a lot of them took time to get there

Like even the zenaim had some issues at launch, but I think they worked them out now

[fast hound]

also likker60 are mentally old and has one-rail structure compared to q1. Back in the days steelseries was flexing by double rail structure that its more accurate and feel more stable

[midnight iron]

wooting is compatible with gen 2 stuff too

not 37b but the gen 2 ks20 switches work

[fast hound]

oh, ok than

[midnight iron]

This is kind of the problem honestly for wooting. They are miles ahead in software and implementation, but i don't think the average joe knows that. They see a board that's 75% and says RT and will just buy it because the layout is better and they think it's the same until the issue come later

it's hard to sell to a market you need to educate and they did shoot themselves a little in the foot by picking a base layout that is less preferred on the surface

[fast hound]

so its a good idea to buy just zinc case and 80he module and go for newer switches? and also maybe new custom keycaps set

[midnight iron]

they said there will be an option for 80he without keycap and switches too, so you can get that and pick your own switches and keycaps

[spark hound]

You assume it's less preferred. You have 0 basis.for that statement.

[midnight iron]

it's 100% guaranteed less preferred over the alternatives

not that I won't be buying one too, but it's definitely not the most popular layout choice

I don't think even the biggest wooting defenders will say the expanded 75% layout they chose is the preferred option in a poll

[fast hound]

but which switches will be the best at the moment? as as I noticed not lekker60

[midnight iron]

probably gateron jade, but we don't know how lekker 2.0 will be - they said they're improving lekker in 2024 as well

[dire heath]

it seems like the new magnetic jades are really liked around here

[fast hound]

knob is good, massive plus for me

[fast hound]

price comparison to regular lekkers?

[unique knot]

whats the light bar for

[midnight iron]

i don't really care too much about the knob, just that the layout is ugly and inefficient, but it's kind of whatever at end of the day - I'll still buy the 80he because wooting software wins and it has f keys

[worn prairie]

for effect

[midnight iron]

double or more

magnetic jades are very pricy right now

[worn prairie]

are they better?

[fast hound]

not that much if they better

[midnight iron]

performance wise no, but I think everyone here will say they sound better for sure

[fast hound]

+++

[worn prairie]

eh

[fast hound]

a lot richer for sure

[worn prairie]

i cant hear very well

[fast hound]

so maybe you can feel plastic clicking less

[lyric sparrow]

I would think most are encoders

[shell heath]

Yesterday u told me the ks-20 prob gonna be compatible and now I want to know how that works?I mean they gonna be compatible with the software maybe in the future people test and they see the gatearon are better (in ms and sound) srry eng

[midnight iron]

calder already confirmed same socket, so it'd just be like 60he compatibility

which already works with the new ks20 switches

[shell heath]

Oh

[weary knoll]

Thock - Jade
Clack - Raptor

my opinion now

[fast hound]

In general, it seemed to me at the presentation that they admitted that "another company" had made a better button layout, but they also have their own ideas about their 80he version and they will tell it later.

[midnight iron]

i mean as far as layouts go it's not hard to guess what is popular. It's TKL or 75% non exploded

[shell heath]

The software is compatible with the ks-jade-…?

[midnight iron]

yes there's already test videos and people with them

[fast hound]

for me all the same, 80 or 75 not a big difference

[shell heath]

Uhh that’s nice now I’m gonna watch if some sound better and perform similar in ms

[midnight iron]

functionally yeah not a big difference

it's mostly or almost all about looks

[fast hound]

60$ for jade 70part set and 45$ for lekker60

if it sound better and works with 80he I think it worth 15$ of upgrade in 300$ keyboard

[midnight iron]

yeah easily

i'm curious to see if wooting themselves stock it too when 80he launches, because calder said he liked them earlier

[fast hound]

well, no new switches when 80he starts, maybe end of a year

[shell heath]

I just only see videos with the sound hope 1 day optimum tech make test with the switches and compare

[fast hound]

but then its better to buy just jade if they fully supportive

[midnight iron]

There was this too

if they stock the gateron jades when 80he launches it'll be a nice easy add on since you'll be able to buy the right amount instead of only 70 packs and you save on shipping

[shell heath]

Is only gonna be a black version right?

[copper stag]

What's new features are coming with the keyboard

[fast hound]

yeah, but if I will order new 80he zinc on lekker60 and in half a year need to by lekkerduo60 it will be no sens

[midnight iron]

plastic = light and dark colorways, zinc alloy = black only for launch

[fast hound]

whaaaaa? black only for launch?

[midnight iron]

for zinc only black for launch

i asked calder earlier

[fast hound]

ok

[burnt helm]

This might be the ugliest keyboard ive ever seen what is this layout no one asked for this 😭

[fast hound]

later other colors, but I wanted black so no care

[shell heath]

So that means the 1st batch gonna be better right?

At least in materials

[midnight iron]

er no, what do you mean?

later batches will be same materials, they just don't know what other colors to offer until later

[fast hound]

no, only black zinc will be available in launch of purchase as I understand

[shell heath]

I mean plastic case colorways and now this 1st is zinc alloy black

[shell heath]

Ye I understand like this too

[midnight iron]

it's same materials for 2nd, 3rd etc batch, they'll just add more colors as they see what people want and scale

[fast hound]

80he + uwu

[shell heath]

But the 1st is zinc alloy ?

[midnight iron]

? No first is both plastic and zinc

[shell heath]

Aaaa

[midnight iron]

2 options for plastic and 1 option for zinc

[shell heath]

Srry just get up 1ago and eng not my native language 😅

[copper stag]

Shut up nerd

U talk too much

[shell heath]

Hope 1 day someone make a global standard I hate iso ansi all I want keycaps for all layouts 🥹

And in all languages

I say bcs I use iso in my case iso-es/spanish and for look for keycaps is like searching for the one piece

[fast hound]

I don’t understand the trend for recycled plastic, why it can’t be used somewhere inside, in some closed mechanisms, and not in plain sight. I feel like the plastic was specially selected better than a mix of plastic bottles waste :/

[shell heath]

A new format

Like 1 new format a new standard that all people can use

[fast hound]

when I sawed this type of material I almost puke, hope its not our future

[shell heath]

No but the keycaps maker can add

[lyric sparrow]

I love random patterns so I'm game, just don't need the text bragging about it on the top

[shell heath]

I say bcs imagine a keycaps ansi looks cool ok almost all keycaps good but in Spain at least we use the lletter Ñ and I think in other countries they have like their letter so 1 format that can let u change the language but u still have the letter (like 60% ansi keyboard u need to press fn+(key)

[fast hound]

let them put it somewhere deeper, like pipes in houses or something like that, but please don’t make a toothbrush out of toilet brushes

did you get my point?

[shell heath]

And press fn is like that step is so annoying

[frigid junco]

How many houses do you want to build to get rid of all the plastic waste we currently have lmao

[fast hound]

I understand, but just dont want it in my keyboard

premium selected plastic grains or melted plastic waste thats the difference

cheap plastic < expensive plastic

[dire heath]

i mean just get a zinc case if ur looking for premium no?

[fast hound]

yeah 😄

[shell heath]

Nah no problem is just what I hope 1 day bcs I want create custom keyboard but I hate can’t bcs for use u need like change how u type

[lyric sparrow]

If only there was actually a sane way to do a full lcd keyboard...

[shell heath]

U can find but if u wanna 1 that u like prob u can’t and ansi I mean I understand bcs eng is 1st language but Spanish is the second language and I find more Russia German

In uk use iso not ansi but I mean for an English speaker ansi-iso in eng doesn’t bother bcs no needs other letters but rest languages bother too much at least for me

[tranquil void]

you won't even see the difference

[worn prairie]

thats not mean

[verbal solar]

what the fuck is this dogshit

75% would’ve been so much better dawg

dawg shut the fuck up

[verbal solar]

Fuck you too bro get their dick out of your mouth

[verbal solar]

the only dick i have out of my mouth is the one in my pants and that one has been slobbering in your moms mouth while she was giving me insane fellatio

[verbal solar]

Yeah keep sucking it bro I bet they’re about to bust

[winged birch]

Where do we stand? Any updates?

That is different as the complete arrow key cluster is entirely separated unlike the 80HE’s arrow cluster which is forced to touch the “main” keys.

I think it’s either you cramp everything, or you separate everything. Not cramp the arrowkey cluster and separate the F-row and media keys.

Again, the arrow key cluster aligns here both vertically and horizontally instead of only horizontally.

With a clear separation between the “main” keys and the arrowkey cluster.

It also aligns with the RGB strip which begs the question; was the initial design not as shown?

https://tenor.com/view/tetris-tetrio-tspin-tki-gif-1551220371961585898

[ancient breach]

My take is still that it's a compromise not worth making.
Granted it does not suffer from the keycap limits of 75%, but personally don't think they are too bad.
Only has half the size benefit or less than half counting the smaller 75% layouts
Still sacrificing 3 keys from tkl.
It just seems like an awkward middle ground that just wants to be different for it's own sake.

18:00 is not that late though. (Someone who works 10-18:30ish)

either way it's still a Saturday so there is that.

[winged birch]

I woke up and I am replying to his messages about a topic I’m very invested in.

Not quite, as I find it rather important.

[wet bone]

Do we know if there is any improvements to the 80HE besides the worse layout?

[ancient breach]

I would say it's still the best layout with lekker switches but I am not really a fan of it.

[winged birch]

There was said to be some ground breaking improvements coming later this year to the 80HE but that’s all that was said.

[wet bone]

Expecting there to be something new.

[winged birch]

Yes.

[wet bone]

Not sure what they could implement that would make it worth going to a bigger bulkier keyboard. Most likely I'll stick to the 60HE, as I doubt the 80HE will be as modular in terms of cases and stuff.

Hopefully this.

[winged birch]

Firmware actually ☝️🤓

[wet bone]

They could add a higher polling rate, but that wouldn't really interest me that much in a keyboard.

[winged birch]

I doubt it as they mention it only for the 80HE.

[wet bone]

Ye, so I'll probably stick to the 60HE

[winged birch]

That’s what the other person wanted to say

Ur good

[wet bone]

I have the flux keyboard on the way also King of bad decisions, so I'll probably be forced to buy 80HE also

https://youtu.be/N7OVagiblPo?si=XOMjQM7cWKzh8mTZ

[winged birch]

Is it as they claim or worse?

[ancient breach]

For me I am not sold, but could be convinced to replace my Wooting One with it despite the kind of stupid layout.

[wet bone]

I don't know 😄 It doesn't arrive until March

[winged birch]

Gosh, how much was it?

[wet bone]

Can't remember, think I mentally blocked it.

Let me see if I can find it in a mail

337 I think.

[winged birch]

Do you like the amount of keys the layout has? Although 4 less than TKL?

[wet bone]

Before all the addons 🤣

[winged birch]

It has addons?

[wet bone]

Yes, you can have 2 keyframes, linear and tactile and they have modules for volume control and stuff that you need to buy extra

[ancient breach]

I prefer to have a bit more keys, but I can work with this, just need to remap esc to delete

(already have caps-lock mapped to esq in software)

shift + caps-lock is regular caps-lock

[wet bone]

It was 542 bucks after all the addons.

https://tenor.com/view/shhh-shush-quiet-gif-8316632

[winged birch]

A bit off topic but was it worth it over the finalmouse Flux clone?

[winged birch]

My god, I hope it’s worth it mate.

[winged birch]

Remap esc to del? 🧐 Why is that?

[wet bone]

Like I said, I don't have either of them yet, but the Centerpiece is kinda different, it isn't transparant, they just have a screen between each keys.

[ancient breach]

To have the nav cluster and a delete key, the 80he does not seem to have one by default.

[winged birch]

Oh I thought it was nearly identical to the flux from the marketing videos I have seen.

[winged birch]

It comes with a del keycap that you can swap out and remap

[wet bone]

They both have a screen, but the centerpiece has a bulky visual switch and Fluxkeyboard has no visual switch, which makes the transparancy different. Also The Finalmouse keyboard can't change legends like Fluxkeyboard cause the Switch is in the way.

[ancient breach]

Yea but what key does the del replace.
As it stands esc is a key I don't use anyway.

[midnight iron]

both of those keyboards are so far from actual delivery lol

[wet bone]

Flux Keyboard can change legends based on app, Finalmouse Centerpiece can't.

[midnight iron]

it's literally comparing features that neither party has made yet

[winged birch]

Ugh the centerpiece is probably functionally better but the screen doesn’t make any sense like that.

[winged birch]

That is pretty sick.

[wet bone]

Ye, but the Fluxkeyboard is probably at best just gonna be my Macro keyboard in the end 😄 Won't feel as good as the Wooting 60HE for games.

[midnight iron]

centerpiece is already way overdue, their preorder isn't until mid next year and that's not even delivery window

you may legitimately not see centerpiece until 2025 if they do make it

and flux is even more of a mess due to not having funding

[wet bone]

The founders edition is also coming first, and that doesn't even have Hall Effect switches.

[winged birch]

I have never encountered someone that doesn’t use escape. That’s quite amazing actually. I’d replace it with End probably.

[midnight iron]

which is honestly amazing that flux can be that insanely funded but still run out of money

[ancient breach]

Other option is replace the mode key, which I already remapped on my wooting one, mode is fn+arrow keys

Like I said the reason I don't use the esc key is because esc is bound to caps-lock

[winged birch]

Now I think about it, that’d be incredible for the 2 screen laptops. Yo just have a transparant “keyboard” to get the tactile feel instead of touch screen.

[winged birch]

Oh, I see.

[midnight iron]

it's a very cool concept, just kind of insane to try to do with no experience or any backing and knowledge in how to do it

[weary knoll]

ah so i guess correct

close bottom shorten travel distance

or early botton out if in chinese

[midnight iron]

yeah by 0.5

[weary knoll]

does magnet really hit the bottom tho?

i dont have it right now

[winged birch]

I don’t think they will actually sell it as it causes issues with DKS (I think).

[weary knoll]

cant see

[midnight iron]

can just add calibration honestly

[winged birch]

Would that work? Cause you’d have to squeeze 4mm into 3.5

[midnight iron]

it's very doable to just make your keyboard calibrate for different magnet strength/travel distance

[winged birch]

Which might cause more issues later on.

[winged birch]

Really?

[midnight iron]

yeah, even geons keyboard is going to be compatible with multiple switches

you just have to have it setup to calibrate

[winged birch]

So with a 3.5 travel disstance switch you can set it to 0.1 - 4mm with no problems?

[ancient breach]

Still thinking about it I will probably buy the 80he providing the price is reasonable, and the 100g springs are also available. Because that is still a big one for me. Just can't stand using light-weight springs

[winged birch]

100g enjoyer. 🗿

[midnight iron]

wooting originally wasn't because they were the only switch in the game at the start, but i'm sure they can add it later if they want. You can math the magnet changes

[midnight iron]

you'd just set it so if it detects the 3.5mm switch then 3.5mm becomes the end if you wanted to calibrate correctly

[winged birch]

Hmm

[midnight iron]

same way how right now when you turn on your computer and wooting powers up it calibrates

only difference is it would calibrate based on a different magnet option and not only lekkers

[winged birch]

Wouldn’t that require a lot of changes?

[midnight iron]

some changes but it's doable. The math just changes a bit because different magnet strength and distance

[winged birch]

Yeah but it calibrates where the switch is, it doesn’t calibrate/account for travel distance.

[midnight iron]

I don't think you're quite getting it

[winged birch]

We’ll see. I hope they will.

[midnight iron]

HE works based on magnet strength

so you just set the parameters different with magnet start/end/distance

but the basic of everything else stays similar

[winged birch]

Yes but if you pop in Jades now, the keyboard still expects 4mm travel distance.

[weary knoll]

2024 gonna be excitig

[winged birch]

Hell yeah

[weary knoll]

i think 80he will ship in Q3 tho

[winged birch]

I hope Q2

[midnight iron]

yes, so in the future if they want to worry about dks then they just have it change when it uses the jade switch

it's not some crazy fix required, just a bit of changing of parameters

[weary knoll]

rightnow Module , Rakka , Q1 He and Boog

[winged birch]

Yes but that’s what I meant. I think they’d want it working perfectly before actually selling it.

[weary knoll]

more advance, Venom HE

[winged birch]

Should I buy Holy60?

[midnight iron]

shrug just note that until they have that fix in that it doesn't support full dks

a lot of people don't use dks

[winged birch]

Calder did not want a keyboard with a different layout because those keycaps are not broadly available, I don’t think he’d want to sell something that does not work perfectly in all circumstances. 😂

But maybe not, we’ll see.

[midnight iron]

i don't know, it's a weird thing to speculate and in end of it this doesn't even matter since people who want jades could buy them from gateron already

[winged birch]

Of course.

[midnight iron]

that's whole point of their barebones kit to support other options. If the software isn't ready to support dks when 80he launches and they don't have jades (or whatever the best switch is at the time it launches) then it's literally just throwing money away

because then customers will buy their switch elsewhere when they buy barebones

[winged birch]

Most don’t understand it yet and it is still a gimmick as it requires very high accuracy to be used in games.

[midnight iron]

honestly i think they already threw away maybe 10-20% of sales with the layout choice, but it'll still sell well I'm sure

[winged birch]

Everyone thinks that but indeed it will still sell.

[midnight iron]

we'll be in backorder for ages before we know it

[weary knoll]

if you dont care about sound, yes

it is cool design

i dropped it because case only still ship in March

[winged birch]

Yes exactly, I do care but it looks fantastic.

[weary knoll]

reality is they need to wait for Rakka PCB lol

[winged birch]

Yeah. 🥲

[weary knoll]

case itself already milled

[winged birch]

The split shift on rakka is fantastic as well, not as good as 64% but still.

[midnight iron]

a lot of these pcb kits are really neat, but so very niche lol

like geons pcb is literally only 150 people outside of korea will even get one at first

[winged birch]

Yeah but same thing with the 60HE at first.

1.2K only.

It takes time

[midnight iron]

i don't think geon is aiming to be a mass produce thing though

it's all enthusiast stuff with him, small batches here and there

he'll do restocks and resupplies but it's never a constant in stock type deal

[winged birch]

Maybe not mass produce but every company wants to create what they can sell until it doesn’t sell anymore.

It is very little as the 60HE is a lot more mainstream than the geon

It was then too.

It was prebuilt, ready out of the box keyboard.

1.2K is really not a lot.

[midnight iron]

geon is kind of his own thing though, he just loves making enthusiast keyboard stuff

isn't the rumor he's funded basically by his military contracts and does the keyboard stuff for fun

[winged birch]

Exactly

[weary knoll]

might make sense

Alu TKL under $500 is not possible without his own factory

[midnight iron]

I want to visit and check out his factory, I know he lets people visit sometimes

[hollow sigil]

Anyone knows which colors will come with the 80he ?

[low ocean]

Do you are have stupid

MonsGeek M3, keychron, luminkey80, mode loop, mode eighty, literally every tkl is under $500

[midnight iron]

2 versions for plastic (light and dark), 1 version for zinc alloy (black)

[low ocean]

Even geons own f1-8x is about 400

[hollow sigil]

zinc is kind of a aluminum case ?

[midnight iron]

yeah like a better alu

[low ocean]

Well its metal

metal is metal, no complaining

[hollow sigil]

nice nice , any prices ?

[midnight iron]

nah no prices yet

[hollow sigil]

sheese

[midnight iron]

all we know is that the zinc case won't be more than $150 away from the plastic case

[hollow sigil]

I see

and the zinc will be part of the founders release ?

[buoyant solstice]

Yes.

[hollow sigil]

Thanks guys.. looking foward for my new keyboard to drop 🙂

[smoky herald]

i already ordered the 60he a month ago 😦

is the 80he better?

[fallow lance]

No one can actually tell you yet but it's suppose be a bit better

Any new info on the arrows yet or 👀

[sage reef]

if you're not coding, 60 is very fine, even if coding it's still fine, just a bit annoying
also if you're not using arrow keys much

[fallow lance]

Or just learn vim, use hjkl and vim bindings 😝

[spark hound]

While true, I like my fkeys as well :p

[hollow sigil]

indeed ! i need my fkeys

[smoky herald]

why’s it annoying for coding

[left turtle]

kind of depends of your needs and expectations right? If you prefer a 80% layout vs 60% ... 🙂 But in terms of quality the 60He is good 🙂

now if you want to use it to code / type ... i would go for the 80 for sure

i do the same, and i don't feel the HE60 to be productive because of the size and comfort

but for coding i actually use a full sized keyboard 😄 not even a TKL

[real gulch]

is the 80he using the same keycaps as 60he

[buoyant solstice]

Yes

[sage reef]

using arrow keys is a bit too annoying, it also makes your like pinky a bit tired
have to move hand a lot to use Del key
maybe you can rebind Fn key to something like caps lock and then arrow keys, del and F keys become easier to access.

[real gulch]

this layout is kinda hot

[left turtle]

yeah, i remaped my fn to capslock

it works like a charm

[weary knoll]

he is base in korea

[real gulch]

i like the look of it

[weary knoll]

his TKL profit is barely

[low ocean]

geons boards are well under 500

[weary knoll]

i think you dont understand my message

it is only possible to stay under $500 because he has his own factory (in Korea)

[low ocean]

other tkls are way under 500 too

dont know how korean manufacturing works

[weary knoll]

my point was
he managed to make his Keeb at those price in korea viabale because he has his own factory

you cant do that price if you

1. not have own factory

you can if you do in china

like other brands in china that you mention

also economic of scale play role

[low ocean]

couldve mentioned at very start and avoided much confusion

[tranquil void]

This makes me want to shoot myself

[buoyant solstice]

[left turtle]

only 1 color will be available at launch for zync?

[silk hedge]

Why?

[buoyant solstice]

I believe that's what Calder said last night. Black finish only initially.

[weary knoll]

when i said that, we made statement with Sno, which i assume he know what i talk about

[midnight iron]

gotta be nice to the people who it's their 2nd language. No sense trying to correct stuff if you roughly get what they mean

[weary knoll]

i believe my issue was not about lang, i was silly and thought everyone is from custom scene

haha

[midnight iron]

oh i meant the think vio posted lol, not you

[weary knoll]

oh i see

[midnight iron]

I know you were talking about korean manu and such

[winged birch]

No new info yet sadly. Calder did say he was letting it “sink in” for a moment so we don’t have a definitive no or yes.

[winged birch]

Well it is a zinc alloy, not sure if aluminum is part of the alloy.

Zinc is also not better than Alu, just heavier with slightly worse strength.

[tranquil void]

a better alu

its an alloy. its different

also zinc or alu being 'better' depends on use case

[winged birch]

Ah you meant that message.

[winged birch]

It’s worse in every aspect except weight. It might be easier to color but not sure.

[midnight iron]

yeah he's just pointing out that technically it's different, but it'd be a bit of a silly thing to try explain the technicalities of a zinc alloy vs alu to someone who doesn't know or care

[tranquil void]

depends. in this use case, sure

[midnight iron]

end of the day they're really asking if the zinc alloy is a metal type thing, even if their wording is wrong and confused

[winged birch]

Did they mention how they will color it?

[left turtle]

curious on how the sound resonates on this zync alloy vs alum

[winged birch]

More heft, less ring I presume

[midnight iron]

heavy means nicer deeper sound usually

[left turtle]

yeah, that's my expectation but tbh, its a non-scientifical expectation, because i have no experience in that matter 😄

[midnight iron]

basically it comes down to density. More dense material tends to sound deeper

[left turtle]

exactly, that's the only thing i know 😄 but my guess there are other factors involved 😄 lets see

[winged birch]

How strong is zinc alloy even compared to other alloys? Cause the keyboard does have many thin parts.

[weary knoll]

die cast tho

what surface treatment?

did they reveal?

[winged birch]

idk

[midnight iron]

zinc alloy is stronger than alu at least, that we know

[winged birch]

Ain’t no way

[weary knoll]

thus the weight

[midnight iron]

what do you mean?

[winged birch]

Actually true

[midnight iron]

yeah zinc alloy is definitely stronger than alu

[winged birch]

I can’t find info on the alloy

But it says zinc by itself is stronger than alu

But alu alloy is strong af

I was literally completely mistaken about zinc lmfao

[obtuse wagon]

https://moldie.net/zinc-vs-aluminum-what-are-their-differences/

[winged birch]

It says it’s lighter and are sometimes stronger than carbon

LOL

[obtuse wagon]

Guess they use Zinc Alloy alot in die-casting

According to this website

[winged birch]

I have a zinc alloy case actually

That I currently use for my 60HE

[obtuse wagon]

Is it nice?

What case...