🌟│wooting80he

[rigid chasm]

what did previous founders receive?

[foggy kayak]

Dick

[nova nexus]

Leather strap

[rigid chasm]

jealous

[foggy kayak]

Kinda jealous tbh

[obtuse wagon]

#BringBackWootingMerch

[glad fable]

Novelty keys !!!!

🙏

[foggy kayak]

Fuck those. Give us stickers

[glad fable]

How about BOTH

[obtuse wagon]

How much did it cost to get a unique symbol on the pcba

[haughty robin]

What if they put just a single key under the pgdn key instead of the LED bar…? cursed?

[fallow lance]

here, ive fixed the 80he 😉

[foggy kayak]

Deal!

[glad fable]

how tf are you doing this

[rigid chasm]

wooting my lord please

[fallow lance]

photopea go brrrr

[vagrant haven]

Honestly yeh. The light bar was fine where it was. But those arrow keys look so much better.

[nova nexus]

Oh gosh it's been so long... 60HE Founders edition was $/€40 more, signature edition was $/€120 more I think?

[obtuse wagon]

If you guys do the silk screen Im all in

[glad fable]

yess it does look nicer when the arrow keys are aligned with the del key

[fallow lance]

yeah i didnt mind the placement but i like symmetry so 😂

[silk hedge]

Silk screen?

[obtuse wagon]

Thank you kind sir, just trying to get an idea

[obtuse wagon]

Wondering if the 80HE will get the same treatment the 60HE PCB got

[rigid chasm]

@obtuse wagon this is what i meant, how do you like this version?

[nova nexus]

The signatures on the pcba were really fun

[glad fable]

Hmm add like an engraving or badge where the light bar was I wanna see how it looks

[obtuse wagon]

Yea TSN is the only sane disliker I have seen this morning

He just wants it moved a little to the right

[vagrant haven]

I think I’ve been fair to it

It just looks wrong

[rigid chasm]

aye, like i said i only want it cuz currently it just triggers me visually, adhd or something lol

[haughty robin]

For me it’s six of one, half a dozen the other.

[vagrant haven]

ADHD or 80HE👀

[obtuse wagon]

Cant blame you thats what bothers me about the arrow cluster being lower than the bottom row on some

[foggy kayak]

I’m just ready for the preorder page to pop up so I can give my cc a heart attack.

[fallow lance]

above the arrows or where i put the lights at the top

[silk hedge]

I'll wait till we have all the info about the 80he then i'll decide what to buy, but over the last few weeks i've grown more fond of the 60% layout

[obtuse wagon]

$250 for the Zinc Alloy, another $200 or so for the prem prem Founders, easy claps for Wooting

[rigid chasm]

is there any preliminary shipment date for the first batches?

[steep path]

are people complaining here or hyping it up?

[placid whale]

my 80HE configuration with Lekker keycaps since I think they look cool

[foggy kayak]

4/20

[gloomy raptor]

both

[steep path]

I can read I just don't want to. 🤣

[obtuse wagon]

They said they expect to have it out by Q2 2024 so pretty quickly compared to other products they have launched

[steep path]

I AM HYPE. I am excited for all the little QOL changes!

[kind wasp]

gimme alu case

[foggy kayak]

Seeing pictures of the actual keyboard I’m SOLD

[steep path]

I'm not a personal fan of the hugging on the arrow keys, so if you wanna make any last minute design changes wooting friends,

Otherwise, CANT WAIT.

[placid whale]

it does look a lot better in person ngl

[foggy kayak]

I’d pay for that case.

[fallow lance]

lets see one from the top 👀

[steep path]

gibs me some feet! Love me some arrows and lil RGB.

[placid whale]

cant wait until you guys hear the sound test too

[steep path]

can't wait to put my BRAND NEW WOOTING 60HE AND ALUMAZE CASE ON THE SHELF 🤣

[placid whale]

gasket mount is so much better

[silk hedge]

Ayo???

[obtuse wagon]

Wondering why they keep hiding the top bezel, what is so secret about it 🤔

[foggy kayak]

With the little hidden wooting emblem

[rigid chasm]

yeah the top bezel hides something lol

[foggy kayak]

Just take my $$

[steep path]

when you run your finger against it the keyboard transforms into a full size

[foggy kayak]

You’re actually wrong.
When you run your finger across the top it’s actually a $49.99 fee each time.

[obtuse wagon]

They just dont have any pictures of it, an they all made sure to not show it during the stream really want to see, whats the secret

[vagrant haven]

You can toggle the arrow keys between squished and not squished👀

[fallow lance]

i wish they'd just photoshop it out but a birds eye view pic so I can see how much the key alignment fucks with me on a pic with diff keycaps 🤣

[steep path]

yes I was gonna say turns into a standard 75% but didn't wanna cause a scene/war

[silk hedge]

You can detach the arrow and home keys!!!

[kind wasp]

whats so good about it?

[rigid chasm]

i imagine the arrow clutter will grow on people

[placid whale]

sound profile

[fallow lance]

it cancels out some vibrations and usually gives a lot better sound profile

[rigid chasm]

@placid whale will there be purple case 🙏

[foggy kayak]

We need a white case and that plastic one they have

[kind wasp]

this?

[steep path]

I hope the alumaze is remade and available for the 80

[foggy kayak]

White case = $$$$$$

[silk hedge]

I just hope the zinc alloy is black

[haughty robin]

I think there’s something to this. Like they give you the option to attach different right sides

[placid whale]

I'd love a Lekker Edition 80HE white case would look so bright

[silk hedge]

Just get the zincalloy version

[haughty robin]

Want arrows, home keys, and numpad? Get an attachment

[fallow lance]

nah there's no split, only thing i can see is the wooting logo near the light bar faintly

[steep path]

zincalloyze doesn't have the same ring to it :/

name pending, I'll work on it

[fallow lance]

wait actually
who said they hide the top bezel... cause he didnt 😂

[foggy kayak]

Look at it 😭😭 gimme this case

The IS CRAZY

[obtuse wagon]

Wait he had a picture of the port?

[kind wasp]

how did u see that??

[fallow lance]

thats just support 😛

[foggy kayak]

I saw it right away

I’m used to finding small things. Been a long life.

[kind wasp]

now i want it too

[steep path]

pics or it didn't happen

[fallow lance]

oh no not the port but not far off, can't see anything special from that

[kind wasp]

is there a way to make the sides smaller?

[fallow lance]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1186265045227802714/1190361212265959555/ABLVV85_JxVLNg3TbkLWWLGtqdO6I2a6BuuWNILk2VsjY-OVdHB5a07UhSYZ4ww1778-h1000-s-no.png?ex=65a18544&is=658f1044&hm=2820afaedf60175771ea0a8d13e0b61dc46d54383e3f108f47cfa1c0ee83ca9e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1851&height=1041
this pic

[steep path]

sides of the case? you can take the module out and make a custom case I guess?

[obtuse wagon]

Yea I want to see that entire front side below the front bez, dont think they have shown it in any picture, its either something they are hiding or just useless so they havent bothered

[haughty robin]

You can see the port on the first scene of the announcement video on the livestream

[foggy kayak]

I kinda like the thick sides on the keyboard. Reminds me of the old days of keyboards. Fat as fuck for zero reason but it looks dope.

[fallow lance]

you can see maybe a little port on the right side though

looks like a type c port next to the arrows

[foggy kayak]

Looks like a type c port

[fallow lance]

and i feel like this is why they pushed over the arrows

[obtuse wagon]

Just noticed that o_0

[midnight iron]

so detachable num pad/other key accessories to the side then?

[foggy kayak]

I’ve literally gotten nothing done at work today.

[fallow lance]

all im gunna say is... MOVE THE PORT UP AND NORMAL ARROWS PL0X 🤣

[kind wasp]

is there a pic of the zinc alloy case?

[silk hedge]

Not sure if there is some truth to this but keep in mind they asked kevin i think his name was to take the cool design of the case and turn it around so you get to look at it from the front

[fallow spire]

The port is on the left top lol. That is a gasket standoff.

[midnight iron]

that sounds like something someone hiding a port would say

[fallow spire]

Oh no actually is an assembly hook.

[vagrant haven]

The story changes👀

[haughty robin]

From the livestream guys

[vagrant haven]

Jk I believe it

[obtuse wagon]

Thank you

[midnight iron]

so what you're saying is the detachable numpad/side accessory part is done with magnets and not a port

[silk hedge]

Ah yes magnets that wont interfere with the other keys

[vagrant haven]

Does the keeb talk to me and the light bar moves like that one movie in the 80s/90s?

[fallow spire]

When you look from the top and back it borrows a lot from traditional styles, look at the front and side, it’s a modern take.

[placid whale]

what about an ortholinear split keyboard that you can buy one of and use as a numpad

[haughty robin]

Wooting claw wen?

[vagrant haven]

The keeb can be daisy chained so you can have a split 160%

[foggy kayak]

I like it a lot.
I’d pay additional for the plastic case.

[steep path]

hahahahaha thank you I am blind

plays video games in brail

[calm swallow]

looks very sick

[fallow spire]

Yes there is an entire module you can take out. The mounting comes from the silicone sandwich pad, we can change the pad shape on all sides and covert it into a friction fit. Create different mounting method, go a bit wild or easy on case designs.

[steep path]

I WANT ONE OF THESE SO BAD BUT I WANT IT WIRELESS SO THEY ARE FLOATING ISLANDS

[calm swallow]

how long have u guys been working with this new keyboard

[steep path]

literally, want it so bad. I saw one in a dream that it looked like it was one keyboard and then like moses the keyboards split into two and I've wanted one ever since

[vagrant haven]

A Smokey translucent case would go crazy for this keeb

[foggy kayak]

The one Daren showed in pictures already has me acting up.

Give me pricing, a place to order it and I’m sold. Let’s roll

[steep path]

wooting - I'll draw you a picture of my dream if you want to prototype it for the Wooting 5050 🤣 All I ask is for one of the keeboards thanks

this will be a fruitful partnership

[foggy kayak]

People about to get a 80he for Christmas

[fallow lance]

give me aligned arrows and im sold 😢 😄

[fallow spire]

Close to 2 years, but it got delayed a lot to make space for other things and we spent a significant amount of time to push height, angle, and design options.

Most of the core word towards production all happened within this year.

Keep in mind that this started when we were still 10 people

[haughty robin]

How much extra do you guys think the zinc case will be?

[foggy kayak]

I know they said we won’t get the translucent case. So Daren gets the fire ass case and we get nothing 😭

[silk hedge]

150 bucks extra

[calm swallow]

respect, really respect the amount of work u guys put in to give the community the best, just bought my 60he and im so hyped for it.

[fallow lance]

just remove the case.. aka see-through case 😉

[fallow spire]

Well, that is not completely definite ho-ho.

[foggy kayak]

Now if Daren wants to sell their plastic case I got $250 for ya 😮‍💨

Oh wait… nvm. Think about it though 👀

[fallow spire]

Less

[silk hedge]

Oop

[vagrant haven]

Imagine a Pom or ultem case. People would go nuts for that. Actually idk if ultem has taken over the keeb community yet

[haughty robin]

I think a good price tag for the zinc case version would be $300 but inflation has messed with my sense of value so idk what makes sense

[foggy kayak]

I’m setting aside my entire Christmas bonus for this drop.

[dusk yew]

That tilt is wild on the bottom row. I'm sure it feels good to use

[placid whale]

yea I game on the right side of the keyboard to get access to Ctrl&Alt modifiers with my thumb

very nice for MMO / MOBA games

where the thumb is otherwise almost useless just pressing spacebar

[fallow lance]

some people press x, c, v, b with it

[placid whale]

most games dont let you use c,v,b as modifiers sadly, you would only have l-alt

[fallow spire]

Something in this direction:) ?

[fallow lance]

ah yeah as modifiers yeah i getcha

[calm swallow]

the left one could be sick

[vagrant haven]

Yasssss

[buoyant solstice]

The first one would be awesome. Third one also isn't bad. Middle one reminds me of aged, smoke stained plastic 😄

The pigment effect is great.

[calm swallow]

was gonna say the same

[fallow spire]

Middle definitely went too far.

[fallow lance]

yeah the middle one looks like my old consoles i smoked around 🤣

[foggy kayak]

[calm swallow]

looks like one of the dusty consoles some tiktok creator cleans

[fallow spire]

The right is influenced by the table. The left has a lot of blue

[next holly]

Reminds me of plastic that colors due to age. :\

[foggy kayak]

Calder teasing folks like a mf IM READY

[vagrant haven]

Are the specks just black or do they have color that is just muted by the exposure of the image?

[fallow spire]

Those are specks that are black/dark blue

[haughty robin]

Exclusive info drip feed in this channel 🔥

[foggy kayak]

My cc is paid off and ready for this drop.

[fallow spire]

It’s hard to see the speck color on the picture

[vagrant haven]

Sounds like a good combo of colors

[fallow lance]

opening it in the browser makes it easier to see but still not great to see

[haughty robin]

Is the countdown the time until my I’m able to make my credit card cry? Or will preorders be available before that and the countdown is the release date?

[nova nexus]

Calder at 2am, "Man I did not get enough leaking done this week, better throw some at Discord!"

[steep path]

Here’s my prototype you didn’t ask for 😇

[vagrant haven]

Now I’m curious how a deep purple with different specks of color would look. Like a galaxy

[fallow spire]

It’s the post consumer recycled ( PCR ) plastic, we opted for specks in them to bring home the point.

But will probably only add it to the bottom case. We’re still testing samples

[worn prairie]

do we have a price for this?

[buoyant solstice]

We do not.

[silk hedge]

I think this was mentioned in the stream but there wont be different colours for the zinc alloy version at release right?

[worn prairie]

1 million dollars

[vagrant haven]

Oh that’s really cool

[fallow spire]

The second one exists, it’s a split board. Split spacebar is a winner in my opinion.

[placid whale]

#SplitTheSpacebar

[haughty robin]

Oh come on, at least a gazillion

[steep path]

but is it a wooting? this is one keyboard! its just an illusion that its one

[buoyant solstice]

No, duh. It clearly costs a Wootilion.

[fallow lance]

fuck the space bar, give us like 5 keys instead 🤣

[steep path]

the two sides fit together like a puzzle and its wireless to the twin (this is marked by the keyboard saying "i'm one keybord LOL JK"

[placid whale]

based and true

[jolly tangle]

I will do everything in my powers to prevent this

[fallow spire]

Starts with Black. We will overview demand and later decide if we want to add more colors. Since it’s assembled with module, makes it a little more challenging to go crazy on colors from start.

[worn prairie]

i hope it doesnt go past 230 lol

[placid whale]

[foggy kayak]

You gotta share a pic of that keeb

[jolly tangle]

[haughty robin]

Idontevenusemyspacebar.Whoneedsitanyway?

[worn prairie]

wootilion sounds good

[placid whale]

exactlynobodyneedsspacebarthisworksperfectlyfine

[steep path]

I don't have it, its my gift to the wooting design team for next year's release 🤣 AGGRESSIVELY HINTING

[foggy kayak]

The one behind the drawing you goober

[worn prairie]

my spacebar is a footpetal i dont need a spacebar on keyboard

[steep path]

ooof HAHAHlolololo my b

[steep path]

I posted it here: https://discordapp.com/channels/167181566978555904/1188718499196055552/1188718499196055552

I'm not "done" with my mods, but might be now that I'm on the 80he train

[silk hedge]

On one hand whoa there buddy slow down we just got the 80 and designing that took over 2 years, on the other hand one wonders what is next for wooting after the 80

[foggy kayak]

Thanks pookie ordering those caps rn.

I’m ready for the 80he to drop.

[haughty robin]

I know what some people will say….

[next holly]

Feedback: I am very happy with an 80% plan to customize the page up down to be mode and function keys since I only wanted the arrows and F keys'. Love the light strip, but I wonder if it will look odd with the KB off? Would be neat to see it in the top along the top between the F-Keys and the number keys. I understand layout is finalized though so still happy looking to order one up. 💸 💚

[fallow lance]

let's just keep the tab okay but have an extra type c on the side so we can do things like this 😉 🤣

[glad fable]

well im ready to put these keycaps on the 80he

[silk hedge]

Mouse?

[steep path]

the clears are sold out, but you can prob buy from a second party seller! and yw! I wanted to go with a purple build, and got the purple alumaze case, but then got the acrylic tofu case and like the seethrough vibes better

[steep path]

200%

a double full sized keyboard, all mod keys

nospacebar

plot twist: a keyboard of all space bars.

[worn prairie]

cant find a side printed keycap set

[haughty robin]

And lots of extra L keys because they’ll be needing them

[worn prairie]

in black

[steep path]

I feel like we have given FOR FREE so many good ideas, wooting team are you taking notes?

I feel like april fools we'll get a 1% keyboard and its just a spacebar and Im gonna order it to add onto my wooting 5050, which will be great bc my 80he will probably be just arriving in my mailbox by then, which checks out with historical timelines of new keyboard to ordering a new one in my life lol

[midnight iron]

you can swap in the del key

[next holly]

Knob would have been nice, though not a deal braker imo

[worn prairie]

i would have liked a knob too

[haughty robin]

Knob was considered, and “can’t talk about it more than that”. Del and ins keys included

[fallow lance]

thats only a render issue, itll probs have del and ins by default but it can always be changed anyways to your liking

[haughty robin]

I feel like I’m the only one here that hates knobs. Don’t ostracize me pls 😭

[silk hedge]

What if we get an alternative for a knob

[fallow lance]

im more sad no one commented about the old ipod nano 6th gen being a perfect mount for the keyboard strap 😄

[steep path]

I hate Knobs too, we can start a club

[silk hedge]

Something like a smart screen

[glad fable]

aw hell naw

[midnight iron]

full black like in the launch video? Or is it that black with silver from the super early teasers?

[steep path]

I thought they were dope for a while and then I got a keypad to get some knobs of my own, it has 3, and I'm like, why, this is dumb. now I am fully off the knobwagon.

[glad fable]

I'm neutral with them
I don't care if it has a knob or not

[cunning swallow]

pretty disappointing reveal, at least from a design perspective (which of course is very personal). Just not a big fan of all this wasted space in between clusters and the right side looks not clean at all 😦 Let's see what they have done under the hood...

[silk hedge]

The rgb strip has tactile functions lol

[worn prairie]

knobs are useful and beautiful

[glad fable]

They must have a reason for the arrow keys

[haughty robin]

Knobs are a fad and dated

Then again so is that LED bar.. kinda wish it weren’t there but I can probably cover it

[glad fable]

otherwise please move them to the right

[midnight iron]

Honestly I don't really use the knob or the screen option in my 75% keyboard in the end. You just end up having them to look pretty usually

they do look cool though

[glad fable]

the screen looks cool but that's it for me

[midnight iron]

it's one of those things you think you'll use a ton but then never really use. Aesthestically it does look neat to have them though

[glad fable]

These industry breaking surprises (as they claim) better be worth it 😩

[steep path]

I wonder if thats what the wootility rgb update came from.. the rbg work on the 80he.

so I wonder if the RGB will function similar to typing profiles, when you press it changes

[foggy kayak]

You don’t like knobs? they look good

[steep path]

you can do like color change by actuation or have it shift colors with force etc.

[outer lion]

Dont worry about using smaller Right Shift,mostly keycaps set have that because its very popular.

[steep path]

they look WEIRD! in my professional opinion ofc

[glad fable]

personally I think they should've added a cool engraving or badge there

instead of the strip

[foggy kayak]

Let me tell you. I suck a lot of dick at video games so I think I’m a professional on knobs. They great for volume control.

[silk hedge]

Depends on what the strip is for

[haughty robin]

I don’t like knobs for the same reason I don’t like dedicated media keys.

[glad fable]

rgb

[steep path]

give me a minute to unpack this comment

[foggy kayak]

No need to unpack. It’s a very small form factor.

[steep path]

my brain kept stoping after dick and before at

and then skipping to knobs

[haughty robin]

Knobs are just out of place.
Even more than the arrow keys supposedly being 1u too far to the left

[foggy kayak]

See. You like knobs

[steep path]

so it took a while for me to get the whole context of the comment 🤣

[haughty robin]

I’m gonna dial back the knob hate.

Wish I had a knob to dial it with…

[foggy kayak]

I’ve lived my whole life with a small knob so it’s nice to know keyboards get them too! Little friend ya know?

[lusty olive]

I love having a knob tbh. My Keychron at work has one and I find myself reaching for it on my home KBs at times

But despite that I highly prefer the standard TKL layouts

[midnight iron]

way too many possible knob jokes to be made

[sage reef]

would prefer the led strip be like a volume roller instead, since it's often useful to adjust volume quickly

[haughty robin]

I guess it’s because I already have a knob on my audio interface, but I HATE interacting with it. I’d rather use software

[steep path]

I like to customize my keyboard to the fullest extent of my ability, and I rarely find custom knobs. (strike one), I also have bad multi-tasking motor control, so trying to dial a knob always ends where I don't want to be (strike 2), and then they look so.... round, and keyboards are so.... rectangular! I strongly dislike the variance of shapes (strike 3, knobs are OUT.) *& I didn't spend the first 3 years of my life putting the square peg in the square hole for keyboards to come tell me the round peg lives on the rectangle box. *

[vagrant haven]

I’m just curious what the decision behind the arrow keys was. I’m sure there is one and I just want to know what it was. Because at first I thought I might be so that the right side lined up with the right of the group above it, but that’s not the case. Or that maybe it had something to do with the led but that’s not the case.
So atm it just kinda makes the border around the keyboard 1u off in the right corner.

[foggy kayak]

Knob lover

[steep path]

they explain themselves in the announcement stream!

[fallen epoch]

A knob head if you will

[vagrant haven]

Oh I can’t watch with audio as I’m in an airport rn and captions aren’t up yet

[outer lion]

Please,make a pool and check bad feedback on this layout

[foggy kayak]

I do plenty of that in games. I don’t need to joke about it.

[fallen epoch]

[haughty robin]

Knobs belong on audio interfaces, not on keebs

[midnight iron]

all we really know is there's some secret extra thing they're making that will make the strange arrow layout make sense

[foggy kayak]

No we’re just here to make knob jokes. Folks have put their pitchforks down for the day. They worked their 8-1

[steep path]

next they'll be putting the aux input in the keyboard

[foggy kayak]

Usb A ports and audio jacks don’t belong on keebs.

[vagrant haven]

Ohhh so it’s confirmed that the arrow keys are like that BECAUSE of the secret feature?

I knew there was a secret feature but didn’t know those were confirmed to be related.

[sage reef]

you won't notice arrow key placement when using it, you for example never misclick on the up arrow key, and hard to misclick on left one, since there is distance between it and Ctrl

[fallow lance]

not exactly much tho when surely they could have just moved it over a few millimeters

[foggy kayak]

Until you see the inside of the board would you really know if that was possible?

[fallow lance]

nope but it would have been possible, even if it meant making the keyboard a few millimeters wider. No one would have been able to tell

[sage reef]

both ways it would be somehow misaligned though, so this way is fine

[haughty robin]

I used a 75% before the 60he, and I fat fingered the arrow key all the time because of the small shift button 😂 I’m glad they didn’t do that here, and I don’t know how I would feel about a 2u gap on the bottom row if they shifted the arrow keys over.

They could change the sizes of the keys on the bottom row, but I’m sure that’s for keycap compatibility

[fallow lance]

it wouldnt have been tho, ive made an edit of it.. lemme find it

[steep path]

yeah i'm not a keeb expert but they said something about a familyboard so maybe thats why

[vagrant haven]

2khz+ polling rate, extra space was where a beefier mcu went?

[sage reef]

@fallow lance yeah seen it, wanted to see it again right now

[steep path]

or they just sat in a room and said, "how can we make people the MOST angry" and the answer was no knobs, move the keys, and remove the delete button

[sage reef]

but yeah, it would be misaligned still

[haughty robin]

Daughterboard is confirmed. Dunno what that’s about

[fallow lance]

not sure what you meant by this 🤣

[sage reef]

(is TSN suggestion)

[steep path]

probably going to boost performance and speed

[fallow lance]

well the light was just to make in symmetrical but 😄

[haughty robin]

Yeah that 2u gap on bottom row is just as aesthetically out of place as what people were saying about the bottom right corner

[sage reef]

i definitely agree with Del placement tho (but this can be easy fixed)

[next holly]

100% if the bar streched along the full top and was between the F and the number keys

[fallow lance]

#💬│general message thats the same just with the light in the original place

[sage reef]

do Home instead of Ins tho

[haughty robin]

How often and for what purpose am I gonna use the Mode key? Hbu guys?

It’s just kinda there. By its lonesome

[hazy cove]

Guys I think everything is pretty far ahead nothing is gonna change now

[hazy cove]

You can rebind it

[fallow lance]

yeah i doubt its gunna change but we can all hope the arrows can move a tiny bit 👀 😂

[hazy cove]

You can rebind any key

[next holly]

Like this perhaps...

[haughty robin]

Yeah I’m looking for ideas as to what to rebind it to. Since it’s just a solo-dolo key

[upbeat berry]

some things can still change but it basically depends on what

[sage reef]

I prefer the current arrow keys really, they just look better somehow

[vagrant haven]

I think I’d do solo key is prntscrn, the duo right of it is rewind/fastforward media keys. Personally

[haughty robin]

Is there a reason why the F-Keys need to be in groups of 4? I get that it was a convention, but I’d rather stick them all together and have space for a whole ‘nother key

[sage reef]

the left arrow key is still misaligned with shift aso, that's what I meant with that suggested

[hazy cove]

They looked scuffed to me but I’ve been harping on this layout since the first teaser back in may or whatever

[hexed dawn]

what an odd duck. staying on my sexy 60HE

[buoyant solstice]

[foggy kayak]

Just make the whole thing a light

[next holly]

Yah I could go with the arrows on both ways, its the light bar that I was thinking about

[haughty robin]

Light bar is about the only thing on this keyboard that won’t age well

That’s my issue with it

If it has some hidden, unannounced functionality, it would be cool for me so swap it for some matte version

[foggy kayak]

Can’t wait for my grand kids to find my old wooting 80he and their first comment is “wow this shit is ugly. They should’ve moved the arrow keys slightly over.”

im just poking fun

[buoyant solstice]

👌

[next holly]

The light bar will look great for the transparent case tops, it looks a bit exaggerated with the black case. I still like the idea of a larger light or undergrow type thing.

[midnight iron]

what if the space behind the weird arrow key layout is optional chip module in a compartment at the back. Then you can upgrade the keyboard in the future with 2k, 4k etc

so it's like the old nintendo 64 expansion pack

[fallow lance]

i dont have an issue with the lights tbh, it just needs to be frosted though so you cant see the individual led lights

[hexed dawn]

this looks way more pleasing imo

[steep path]

omg imagine a keyboard with an optional rumble pack add-on!!!!

[midnight iron]

rumble pack would be the most hilarious thing

set rt to 0.15 and 0.1 actuation and watched the keyboard type when you rumble

[steep path]

YES or you can set typing thresholds which goes off when you hit it 🤣

I'm telling you, wooting needs to hire us for product development

[haughty robin]

It’s either going to be misaligned with the island keys, or the shift key. So it’s the same imo.

For me, the 2u gap is more awkward than any gaps at the edge

[steep path]

[vagrant haven]

What if they could manage something like the Razer viper ultimate. Where the rgb bar shines through when on, but its opaque black when off👀

[midnight iron]

like this in the back but smaller and you can add a module to enable features in the future like 8k scanning/polling

[steep path]

I would take this over every knob!

just plug in the rumble pack into the switch like you would any other keycap, except for a pleasent surprise when you type a specific word

get rapid trigger to a specific point and "rumble rumble" you win!

[hexed dawn]

my IRL job is aligning stuff, in my totally subjective impression aligning it with the island keys is the lesser evil

[vagrant haven]

Type “Woot”, then it vibrates “never gonna give you up”

[steep path]

I would accept that rick roll

you don't need to yell 😦 🥲

[midnight iron]

honestly i don't think this is true. there's a different reason

[steep path]

I think they had a personal vendetta against traditional TKL, so they tried to do it their own quirky wooting way, and no matter what anyone does in the world someone is always going to hate it

[outer lion]

Just aligne arrow keys and its decent

[haughty robin]

75% keyboard makes me fat finger the enter key when im trying to use the arrow keys, and usually that’s when i REALLY don’t want to push enter yet

[next holly]

I am happy

[midnight iron]

yeah i'm not in love with the layout and prefer 75%, but I'm still happy with the overall case design and that it's at least what people wanted outside of the ugly layout

[foggy kayak]

Bro a 5050 does sound sick tho. I’d buy one in support

[haughty robin]

I like this layout a lot.
For me 75% is too cramped, especially around the important enter and right shift keys.
TKL is too big, with too much wasted space on the right side. I don’t need 4 right-modifiers 🤣

I really like this compromise

[steep path]

RIGHT!!! Ugh It would be a dream. My dream didn't specifically say which brand, but dude as a wooting it would be dope asf

[shell heath]

I have 2 questions, will there be an iso version? And another question, I have XDA profile keycaps, will they be compatible?

[buoyant solstice]

Yes.

[foggy kayak]

Now I don’t need to snap my keyboard in half. It’s already broken in half out of the box!

With a knob of course.

[shell heath]

ty for respond <3

[wind berry]

75 is too cramped????

[haughty robin]

That’s just cursed. Hate those arrow keys

[foggy kayak]

I really need to do some keyboard mods. These keebs are seggsy

[wind berry]

#1175105175782969415 message

[steep path]

I have that pink tofu case too!

[haughty robin]

But that’s exactly what I’m saying. The 75% design flaw is the arrow keys being to close to important keys. So they engineered a fix… it’s just that the fix is a weird alignment thing, and that’s exactly what people are complaining about here, but why is one okay while the other isn’t

[vagrant haven]

People like it because the spacing is “thematic”. The spacing on the bottom and right of the arrows is the same as the space between the main keys and the modifier keys. The spacing between the main keys and the arrow keys is the same as the space between the modifiers and the exterior border

[steep path]

I got the pink one and the acrylic and purple bc I couldn't decide 🤣 then wooting got the alumaze so I cancelled my purple tofu and got the purp alumaze case instead.... ended up using acrylic on my currend board 🤣

I bought the case originally for a custom RGB underglow keyboard I was gonna build.... but got all the parts and lost my adhd hyperfocus and now I'm onto new ideas lololol oh joys

[midnight iron]

mode sonnet 75% layout is the only correct 75% layout

[vagrant haven]

Actually I don’t think I analyzed it right. But the spacing is generally more even on that layout. Is why people think it looks acceptable. I’m still not the biggest fan. I prefer to just adapt to using a fully squished board, but I can see both sides

[shell heath]

how much do u think is gonna cost?

[haughty robin]

Yeah it’s a clever solution to the 75% problem, but it stands out.

People are mad about the 80he because the arrow keys “stand out”. I don’t understand the hypocrisy

[vagrant haven]

Yeh I think the hypocrisy is that they’ve looked at one longer than the other. But I am not a huge fan of arrow keys being off in outer space either. Just line them up with something

[haughty robin]

The current arrow keys are lined up with the main body. Specifically the right shift

Maybe that’s the problem? People want the main body to be segregated

[vagrant haven]

They’re vertically lined up yeh. Or they’re in “row” with the rest I guess is the right way to phrase it.

[midnight iron]

it's this layout that i think is generally known as the most popular 75%, since a lot of people don't like exploded arrow

although the 1 key above the arrow is often a blocker instead

[haughty robin]

Yes. This is the layout that has me push enter or shift when I try to use the arrow keys

[vagrant haven]

I think it’d be better to have the border look consistent, for the 80HE. But if they have a neato reason for it I’ll reconsider.

[hexed dawn]

yeah exploded arrow keys would bother me too, unless the placement was very good

[haughty robin]

So I dislike it

Smol right shift is a no for me. Therefore I like the 80 design

[shell heath]

the rgb bar prob u can turn off right?

[vagrant haven]

I think you just need to get used to it. It’s kinda like saying you push the s key instead of the x key. Just takes a bit to learn the placement

[midnight iron]

yeah like all rgb stuff i would assume so

[glad fable]

seggsy

[vagrant haven]

Almost certainly

[next holly]

I like that the RGB bar spans the whole width, but it does seem to take a lot of space.

[midnight iron]

honestly i think it's muscle memory, you get used to where the arrow keys are after a week or two of using just that board

[vagrant haven]

Plot twist: the gap on the right of the arrow keys is so that they can fit a wireless receiver, to support seamless integration with the wooting mouse coming soon👀🦆

[midnight iron]

it's only when you swap back and forth between layouts that it kind of sucks because you're moving hands to different spot

[haughty robin]

Not for me unfortunately. I sent so many premature slack messages 😭

[next holly]

Same here, but I am determined to change.

[zinc hedge]

might be on to something

i think its gonna be an add on for some keyboard thing they havent released

[haughty robin]

I actually find the wooting 60e arrow key Fn layer easier to use than the typical 75% arrow keys.

But the 80 is a win for me

[zinc hedge]

how much you thinking its gonna cost

[vagrant haven]

I kinda doubt it’d be a mouse. It’d be really hard to jump into that space with how competitive the market currently is without just being a 4khz wireless lightweight clone of a zowie mouse.

[haughty robin]

I think the zinc case version will cost $300 and the normal versions will be $200

I could be way off

[glad fable]

wthh

zinc case alone??

[zinc hedge]

250 for zinc

[haughty robin]

No the case + board

[glad fable]

ah ok

[midnight iron]

yeah no way mouse. I could see either attachable numpad/other side accessory or module to enable 8k polling/scanning as reasonable examples

[haughty robin]

Edited for clarity lol

[midnight iron]

honestly a compartment for future keyboard upgrades to add chips needed for higher polling etc would actually be industry innovation

[haughty robin]

Poling is high enough haha for a keeb? Yeah.

[shell heath]

I know it has nothing to do with wooting but I hope someone create with the RGB underglow of a keyboard as an ambilight effect like that of Philips with their TVs

[midnight iron]

it's high enough for sure, but marketing wise everyone will add higher eventually just to say they have it even when it does nothing

[zinc hedge]

calder did say that its something simple yet effective

[haughty robin]

It’s a button isn’t it

Just a bar shaped lighty button

[fallow lance]

not sure what you guys mean about the alignment

[haughty robin]

The perfect gaming keyboard doesn’t exis—

[zinc hedge]

imagine if that was the actual model

[foggy kayak]

Knob

[zinc hedge]

ngl if its a knob

[limpid yoke]

Wooting Quit

[zinc hedge]

it would get in the way when typing

if its that low

[foggy kayak]

Knob replaces all keys

Dial selection just like modern cars

[sage reef]

like this, smaller Bezels, Volume roller instead of light, and Del key instead of End (but easy to change)

[steady escarp]

I wonder if the 4 key cluster will be replaceeable

with knob or somethitng, theyre teasing a reason for it

[humble cargo]

that looks a lot better already

[fallow lance]

im guessing a changable module where the light is, as in you remove the light and can plug a module in there

but who knows

[humble cargo]

I'll keep the led bar tho

[glad fable]

ooh a volume roller would actually be pretty cool

[verbal solar]

This is perfect

[glad fable]

something functional that replaces the rgb strip

[zinc hedge]

but the rgb strip makes it have character

[lapis zodiac]

I was debating on waiting for the 80he or ordering the 60. But I'm glad I went with the 60 and a streamdeck +

[safe grail]

so is this final version for 80 he or there will be revision for this keyboard layout cause alot of people aren't happy about it ?

[lapis zodiac]

Don't forget it also subtracts 25ms latency

[humble cargo]

crybabies

this will be it, they've already said they ain't changing anything

[fallow lance]

nah they actually said they have room to change some little things

[lapis zodiac]

Why are you calling people mean names man? Just cause people have different opinions and wants? Let's be nice

[random oxide]

I prefer the 60 layout but gasket mount is enough for me to swap

[humble cargo]

little things perhaps, but they were pretty clear on not abandoning it

[midnight iron]

excellent. How do we apply to have them collab with owlabs and release the wooting jelly evolv 75

a man can dream

[fallow lance]

well course they arent gunna abandon it but obviously feedback might make them change little things

[humble cargo]

because there's a constant fucking whining and moping from kids in here, this is far from the first time

[hexed dawn]

I think the criticism is warranted

[glad fable]

Wooting x Owlabs

[fallow lance]

this is what you call feedback within a discord server 🤣 im sure they dont take it to heart, most of it is light fun

[safe grail]

i was waiting for so long if they could launch tkl but instead they saying 80% now i am confused if i go for 60 or go 80 he

[obtuse wagon]

Depends on why you wanted a TKL

[midnight iron]

what were you looking for in their tkl/75?

[humble cargo]

criticism sure, but I don't consider "its ugly reeee" or "so disappoint smh" much criticism

its whine

[obtuse wagon]

Im with this until you come with edits like @fallow lance or something @midnight iron has mentioned Im just ignoring it

[glad fable]

Basically the one complaint is "Damn this shit ugly"

[fallow lance]

yeah true but thats probably just kids and you just gotta overlook them tards

[midnight iron]

@safe grail functionally it still has everything you'd want in a tkl, so the question is more if you wanted the upcoming wooting just for looks or f row keys or what was your reason behind it over the 60he

[glad fable]

90% of the reason

[humble cargo]

I would also prefer it a bit sleeker myself, but I doubt they be changing it

could also be limitations to how small they can make things

[lapis zodiac]

What % is the keyboard that's 60% + f keys? Cause that'd be my ideal

[midnight iron]

I mean, we just have to wait really and see what they say about the layout by campaign time. They said they'd explain eventually, so i just hope they do it by the time we're in the founder's campaign

[tight cliff]

Think it looks nice, something new 🤷

[haughty robin]

F Keys ✅
Tilde ✅
Arrow keys ✅
No 2u gaps ✅

[fallow lance]

Gaps in the right corner ✅ 😢

[midnight iron]

my biggest motivator is my muscle memory is off by a tiny bit every time i swap between this and my 75% keyboard with esc/tilde

[obtuse wagon]

That would just be a 75% I do believe

[agile rampart]

Should be interesting to see how this sells vs the 60he. Just wish they had seperated the arrow keys with a gap

[midnight iron]

literally drives me insane because i keep pressing esc wrongly when i swap keyboards

[dense ridge]

im actually thinking about buying this one

[humble cargo]

I think its a decent layout for most part, could use some minor cosmetical tweaks

[obtuse wagon]

Have a feeling the 60 will still reign supreme, it is for gaming so

[midnight iron]

ew why. Buy a zoom75 at least if you want a non rt keyboard with screen for that price

[obtuse wagon]

Probably be the biggest campaign they do tho

[humble cargo]

that things not any better than the 80he to me

[lapis zodiac]

You forgot a "b" at the end of your name sno

[humble cargo]

in many ways worse

[shell heath]

i mean the keyboard funcionality is 10 and in looks for me is a 9/10 but if the arrow keys was a little to the right to line would be 10/10 at least for me

[agile rampart]

Exactly

[midnight iron]

saving him from buying a worse keyboard for same price

[safe grail]

there is a gap that hurts me rn if it would be little bit compact you know it would be perfect

[midnight iron]

actually if that asus keyboard was just say $50-100 less it would be a great buy

[humble cargo]

yeah that offset arrow cluster is probably what bugs me the most about the design, that and the fat bezels

[haughty robin]

If the arrow keys were moved over, I’d want the spacebar to be 1u wider so the gap from left arrow isn’t 2u

[dense ridge]

50-100? the built quality is much better! also the RAW perofomance ( like latency etc ) is super good

[safe grail]

i needed arrowkeys thats for sure but gap in-between it's just killn me

[fallow lance]

i dont mind the gap between the left arrow and ctrl just for the sole reason of, its easy to KNOW when you're on the arrow keys

[midnight iron]

latency is good enough in a lot of wired keyboards, unless you specifically wanted wireless gaming there's no reason to get the asus

[fallow lance]

the alignment tho 😢

[potent nova]

That has regular non magnetic switches, there's nothing special about it, other than the price lol

[dense ridge]

tell me any keyboard for 200 euro with the same build quality, latency and sound

[midnight iron]

zoom75

[shell heath]

i mean when u game u dont look at the keyboard so for me it doesn't bother me that much xd

[dense ridge]

can u send me a link please

[haughty robin]

Wooting killer feature: shiftable keys! Slide the keys to any alignment, hit the LED bar, and POP! it locks in place!

[midnight iron]

https://meletrix.com/collections/zoom75-collection

[glad fable]

volume roller!!

[humble cargo]

yeah I could probably get used to it, I don't want to go that much larger than 60HE tho and 80HE casing is a bit of a porker

[haughty robin]

up arrow butting up against enter and right shift is a big no for me in the usability department.

[dense ridge]

bro the profile is soo high

[obtuse wagon]

You guys dont need a volume roller you need to buy another device... the future is now old man

Like 200 products ranging from $10-hundreds, no need for a knob on a keyboard EVER

[haughty robin]

Audio controls are for audio interfaces. Keeb them off the keeeeeeeeb

[lapis zodiac]

aight i fixed the keyboard for you degens. theres a holographic anime sticker you can look at everytime you use the keyboard so there is no more dead space

[safe grail]

any other keyboard brand with same hall effect switches + build quality !

[humble cargo]

no, competitors are still far from wooting on the software

[glad fable]

I just prefer it over the rgb strip tbh
I don't like rgb

obvious im biased 😎

[shell heath]

We still don't know how much the keyboard will cost, right?

[obtuse wagon]

Then just get rid of the RGB, dont want any knobs on my keyboard, what I have a GoXLR for

Looks ugly

[humble cargo]

I like rgb for usefulness

pointless in a computer case or something

[obtuse wagon]

Nope

[haughty robin]

Well thankfully for us, knobless won

[shell heath]

rgb=skill in games

[hexed dawn]

yeah. linux support is a must for me. haven't seen any other keeb that offers it in remotely similar quality

[fallow lance]

ngl ive started cutting down on rgb too, now i only use it for different keys on layers to make things memorable

[lapis zodiac]

you mean the rare holo sticker right?

[humble cargo]

yeah this, super useful imo

[thorny compass]

https://youtu.be/PV6qvV3WoDE?si=8AoJ98mbQvGsQfBz&t=40 this one prob

[glad fable]

If the rgb strip is meant as something to fill the space
I think they should just put a cool engraving or badge there, plastic or not

[midnight iron]

I think end of the day wooting 80he is still going to sell because it's literally the 60he but with f row, arrows and tilde like people want. Not ideal layout but people will buy it for the software

[obtuse wagon]

Im with that, still have not been able to find the custom keeb that had a badge you could change out

[lapis zodiac]

i 100% think it will tell you which mode you are on

[ancient breach]

Not gonna lie gonna be harsh on this one:
I think the 80% layout here is just bad, barely less wide than TKL (just one key different) layout of the arrow keys just doesn't look right, and effectively misses a few keys.
Personally would have much preferred a brick 75% or a tkl layout.
With brick 75% I mean this type of layout: https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61727jRrnlL._AC_SL1500_.jpg

I'll stick to my wooting one on this one.

[dense ridge]

i am just a little bit angry.. they knew that there are a lot of customers waiting for TKL keyboard like more then a year.. and they just did this thing with them.. its not good to be honest if u ask me

[humble cargo]

I hate layouts like this because they botch the lower corner so bad, particularly rshift

[midnight iron]

i mean I understand, it doesn't look as nice. But that said functionally it's still everything people wanted

[obtuse wagon]

yea that layout is terrible

[ancient breach]

Fair enough, right shift isn't a key that I use particulary often, especially not the right side of it.
This is just personal preference talking.

[obtuse wagon]

See, opinions are like assholes, everybody has 1

[midnight iron]

it just looks weird, but outside of that a lot of people will still buy it because it's a wooting with f row

[haughty robin]

After many years of using a keyboard like this. I can say now that I hate the arrow keys cannibalizing the right shift and also being right up against the enter key.

I’m on team gaps.

[verbal solar]

the amount of terrible takes in this channel is wild

[fallow lance]

Aight lads, netflix time. Let me know when they move the arrows over a bit to the right. Tyvm love you

[humble cargo]

indeed

[ancient breach]

There is the other side however, this layout just differs 1 key from tkl, at that point why not go tkl.

[dense ridge]

and they are saying that "we are just playing with layouts".. its the same for me as they are playing with their customers! if u know that customers are wanting this and u are palying with layouts in place of giving what they need.. its kind of sucks ..

[humble cargo]

for those wanting a TKL I don't understand much of the 80HE complaints other than it doesn't look as aesthetically pleasing

[haughty robin]

Sacrificing 1 key for almost 3u of reduced width is a huge win

[midnight iron]

i mean need wise you get everything still

it's more people want a less ugly layout

[obtuse wagon]

Then go else where my guy they are not here to please everybody, they are here to make good boards nobody else makes

Or wait an see if they have a revision before release

[verbal solar]

i dont like the last part abt "its not always common" when the keycaps on the website have support for it

[dense ridge]

i think that every company should try to please the customers.. in place of that wooting is "playing around layouts"

[safe grail]

im counting on that

[hexed dawn]

it looks like a solution to a nonexistant problem

[shell heath]

The real reason why the arrows are like this is to sell you 80% in 2 years with the arrows well with aluminum case 😅

[obtuse wagon]

@midnight iron see ^^^

[humble cargo]

80HE+

[olive coral]

I really just wanted del and insert, and I use the context menu key.

[ancient breach]

Except it's not just sacrificing 1 key, it moves the arrow keys to an ugly position, and it sacrifices 3 keys

[humble cargo]

that's no biggie imo, you can remap it all

[dense ridge]

also i would like to tell u that u will not get any discount or something for sure.. u are the only one in this discord server who is trying to defend them

[obtuse wagon]

You can put other keycaps an rebind them, or do you need all of them

[olive coral]

I was gonna drop pause/break for del at least, but otherwise seems hard to get it all.

[potent nova]

I think aesthetics is a valid complaint if you're paying a premium for a product. We don't know the price yet, but I think its safe to say this won't be a budget board

[midnight iron]

yeah you can't help these people who don't know better though

[obtuse wagon]

Im not the only 1, an loyal customers get discounts

why so salty my guy

[humble cargo]

imo TKL doesn't really look much better but tastes..

[obtuse wagon]

If you arent holding the pitch fork with them your are WRONG

[midnight iron]

they need to put in big bold red somewhere "You can swap the del key in with any of the other keys there"

a lot of normal non keyboard people don't realize those side keys are up to you to mod

[ancient breach]

What makes tkl look better is the alignment of the arrow keys compared to the rest, it's one line from left arrow up to delete and right arrow up to page down

[shell heath]

what switches they are gonna add the 45g or the 60g?

[glad fable]

probably the standard l60

[olive coral]

Honestly don't care how it looks so much, like the majority of the keyboard is reasonable. Just unsure what couple of keys I'm going to swap out becaus I'm used to the 2x3 ins/home/pageup/del/end/pagedn

[midnight iron]

they said new lekker switches coming

[ancient breach]

The arrow keys just look akwardly positioned here

[safe grail]

l69 i assume

[haughty robin]

I’m gonna be a big fan of how close the arrow keys of the 80he will be to the enter key, while also not bumping up against it or eating the right shift

[midnight iron]

swap out end, unless you actually use that

[olive coral]

Actually use it

[obtuse wagon]

When do we get new springs is the question, screw an entire switch

[midnight iron]

that's a new one. You use it for edit macros?

[shell heath]

i see videos where they dont like the sound prob making ones that sound thoccccccccc pls

[obtuse wagon]

#SpringPackBack

[midnight iron]

it's should also be compatible with all the new ks20 switches

since it's same switch slot

so you'd have options of either new lekkers or whatever new ks20 switches comes out (as long as their magnets arent absurdly wonky)

[safe grail]

how much bucks we talkin for 80he

[sage reef]

I disagree, arrow keys look pretty much in place, the alternative suggested looks worse imo.
it's the Bezels that make it look a bit worse than it is

[haughty robin]

All of this drama could have been avoided if they just mushed all the f-keys together and gave us one more key on the top row /s

[shell heath]

i hope not more than 180€

[hexed dawn]

I think a few people here are seeing drama where none rlly exists

[ancient breach]

Next up wooting battleship layout.

[obtuse wagon]

Dont say that tho, I am the only 1 defending it according to @dense ridge

[safe grail]

mmm 💸

[winged birch]

The arrow keys look so awkward though, I like the overall look but not the arrow keys.

[shell heath]

https://tenor.com/view/money-wallet-broke-gif-7855913

[sharp verge]

They don't look that bad

[frigid junco]

Does anyone know where the best place for giving them feedback/suggestions on the current layout is? Or are they just reading through all the posts in this channel?

[olive coral]

I'm sure it'll feel fine with the arrow keys

[humble cargo]

you goddamn shill, how much they pay you!?

[obtuse wagon]

#1141096226884956181 thank you for being normal

[winged birch]

They should be to the right, aligned with the media keys.

[buoyant solstice]

Mno.

Keep 80 in 80

[obtuse wagon]

@frigid junco they are paying attention in here then

[haughty robin]

Then there’d be a misalignment with right shift, and a 2u gap from right ctrl

[dense ridge]

@sage reef the symmetry left this discord server

[frigid junco]

Alright, thanks 🙂

[winged birch]

This.

[obtuse wagon]

Mansen lets me get the left over crumbs from his daily bread

[humble cargo]

I mean, its no biggie

[winged birch]

Yes, that’s far better than this.

[winged birch]

It is to me 😂

[thorny compass]

you dont see how this could throw a lot of people of?

[shell heath]

the 26 days is for the release or more info?

[humble cargo]

people should touch grass more

[winged birch]

It’s not aligned with the side of the case, nor is it aligned with the RGB strip.

[midnight iron]

his feedback report about to be the most civilized 'it's ugly' ever. "Excuse me wooting. I saw your keyboard layout and would like to kindly let you know that I think it is quite deplorable. The lack of symmetry in arrow keys is a stain on my eyes"

[agile rampart]

Still valid. Symmetry matters

[hexed dawn]

you trolling? 😛

[olive coral]

I'd just like to use my own case and get some TKL keys back, design is fine otherwise

[shell heath]

whats that?

[sage reef]

but see with smaller Bezels it looks good

[obtuse wagon]

the campaign starts then

[winged birch]

It’s just aesthetics but this looks just wrong man.

[safe grail]

bruhhhhh

[thorny compass]

you mean @obtuse wagon ??

[winged birch]

Still no.

[glad fable]

I mean

[obtuse wagon]

You put a roller tho 🤮

[midnight iron]

i assume big bezels is for gasket design probably

[humble cargo]

I am in utmost disappointment dear sirs, see to it thou remedies these indiscretions

[obtuse wagon]

Touch grass everyday 👍

[dense ridge]

@sage reefit looks horrible dude to be honest

[obtuse wagon]

Thanks for worrying tho sweatheart

[glad fable]

dont ask about the rgb strip but it's more focused on the arrow keys

[thorny compass]

i agree tho

[winged birch]

That.

[haughty robin]

I mean… I also would have been happy with just F keys and tilde with NO arrow keys or key island

[obtuse wagon]

Wait dude with a anime pfp told me to touch grass

[fallow lance]

i did the rgb strip just for the fun of it, theres another with the strip in the normal place

[agile rampart]

someone should make the arrrow keys symmetrical and post it. Bet everyone would like that more.

[thorny compass]

so much better

[obtuse wagon]

TSN did all this morning

TSN where is the pic...

[sage reef]

I think big Bezel choice is for more "formal" look, 60HE for gaming, that's why thin, the others are like more for average users, so they did it more formal

[winged birch]

It looks funny, it’d shiny your eyes out probably.

[fallow lance]

#💬│general message here 🤣

[glad fable]

send that pic xd

[fallow lance]

at this point i still have it in my clipboard 🤣 🤣

[winged birch]

I think it’s for gasket as well, not aesthetics.

[glad fable]

for ezier access

[thorny compass]

i mean every time i come here youre riding it and calling others "weird" or "stupid" for not liking something

[dense ridge]

@glad fableYES! thats how it should look!

[obtuse wagon]

yea when I get attacked, did you bother to scroll up?

[safe grail]

there's a guy who can Photoshop do it letss see how it looks

[winged birch]

Fixed the 80HE 😧😧😧

[jade widget]

This annoys me more, made the right choice wooting 👌

[haughty robin]

What’s the form factor called where it’s just a 60% with f keys on top? Is that like 70% or something?

[winged birch]

Please post it in suggestions.

I know layout is set in stone

but man

[glad fable]

Well Im not the one who made it :3

[agile rampart]

make it where the top arrow key is inbetween end and page down.

[obtuse wagon]

75%

[safe grail]

🥵🔥

[sharp verge]

75% has modifiers too

[shell heath]

but the keyboard is not already create?

[obtuse wagon]

Do they make a keyboard with just F row an no modi's

[haughty robin]

Yeah but without arrows or right side mods

[sage reef]

No, still don't like this sorry. It just looks worse somehow, like detached or something.

[sharp verge]

I've seen very few.

[olive coral]

77.5%

[sharp verge]

None come to mind rn

[glad fable]

We all got different tastes

[safe grail]

revision*

[dense ridge]

@glad fableits not about taste bro its about symmetry

[shell heath]

no we all love avocados

[olive coral]

Guess I'll have to buy the uwu to get those extra keys back

[ancient breach]

Personally think this would have looked a bit better in terms of layout

[agile rampart]

can you space the arrow keys in between end and page down. Basically top arrow key is below the middle of the light bar.

[haughty robin]

Yeah my dream board is just the Wooting 60 with F-keys. No arrows or anything else on the right side.

But that’s never gonna happen, so gotta compromise with these bigger boards

[winged birch]

Not a bit, it’d fix it for me

[hexed dawn]

there, perfect symmetry

[dusk yew]

i told gpt4 to fix it, and i must say i do believe we are missing the Nom and BS keys from the real version, and i'm pretty upset about it

[glad fable]

Not the one who edited the picture but I can picture that
Just...Why? 🤣

[ancient breach]

But either way, I don't want to stay too negative, would I buy the keyboard, maybe but I would have liked something else such as tkl or 75% more and it does count towards my cost vs benefit of replacing my wooting one with it.

[shell heath]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[glad fable]

Blursed 🔥

[dusk yew]

this looks like a whole ass typewriter

[agile rampart]

Wish I could do it myself. Cause I bet it would look good.

[glad fable]

Modern Typewriter 🔥

[winged birch]

I don’t think it is negative to dislike something. I would’ve bought it if it wasn’t for the arrowkeys.

[glad fable]

It would look off
It would make the bezel uneven

[shell heath]

ngl i prefer the fuction keys on the left more space for mouse

[hexed dawn]

it would also help if less people got kneejerk defensive about it

[jade widget]

That's alright I'm sure it'll be sold out for 6 months regardless

[sharp verge]

Criticism is good tbh

[winged birch]

That’s true but unconditional defenders will always be there in everything. 😂

[sharp verge]

(Thanks phone)

[midnight iron]

big question is what would change your mind to buy it if they revealed the reason behind the arrow offset

[winged birch]

Same.

[glad fable]

well it'll be sold out anyways since it'll be a backorder

[agile rampart]

Could easily be compensated by slightly making the bezel even again.

[glad fable]

Then might as well make the usual TKL

[fallow lance]

addon modules but good ones like maybe a finger print reader or some shit

[jade widget]

True but the backorder will probably be 3+ months like it was for the 60he when I bought

[winged birch]

If there is a reason. I could imagine it’d have to do with the strength of that piece between the top arrow key and right shift. That they were afraid it’d break or something.

[midnight iron]

nah they already said there's some secret reason linked to something they're developing

but what that reason or thing is we don't know yet

they need the space there for some reason, but won't say why yet

[winged birch]

Hmm

[agile rampart]

Would have to be a legit impressive reason to make the arrows off.

[shell heath]

Let them tell you yes or yes due to hardware issues to achieve less latency or something that works better

[winged birch]

What did they say? If it’s something that you can add on later what can it be LOL?

[shell heath]

srry is traduced

[sage reef]

guys, look at the alternative carefully, it's literally worse, looks detached and more out of place than current, that's why they did it like this

[shell heath]

no time for think in spanish=eng while playing fifa xd

[fallow lance]

the arrow keys are usually detached thats the thing

[midnight iron]

so the real question is really what is this 'other thing in 2024'

[sage reef]

but they also always look not great

when detached like that, except TKL

[winged birch]

I can’t really imagine what I’d be. As if it was an add on gadget or something the arrowkeys would still look off and for anyone not using said gadgets it would make no sense at all.

[sage reef]

and 75% all merged is bad because it's a misclick fiesta

[shell heath]

the flux keyboard seems an amazing keyboard for pruductive and looks

[strong basin]

I'm betting you can pop out the 4 keys together and put some gadget in the slot

[sharp verge]

That makes no sense

[fallow lance]

still wouldn't fix the arrows 😢 😄

[winged birch]

No, why’d they have to be far to the left?

[midnight iron]

yeah that's why we've been guessing for hours now, no one really has fully figured out what it is yet that would make them do the layout

[obtuse wagon]

honestly a tough 1, sure someone that thinks like Wooting folk will come in today an suggest what it could be

[fallow lance]

the only thing i suggested is, you can pop out the light bar and have plug in modules into the same slot

[shell heath]

the MEMES

[jade widget]

Yeah maybe a screen or something, a numpad that attaches wirelessly and has internals

[ancient breach]

Used this on a laptop for quite a while, worked perfectly fine for me at least, After all your main keys are also close together. Of course not saying this is good for everyone.

[winged birch]

It’s funny because from that SS, he said it like it’d fix it but whatever is added the keys still need to be able to be pressed and visible so you’ll still see the misalignment.

[obtuse wagon]

What would the modules do?

[midnight iron]

also mentioned it here again

saying that if not for this 'thing' they would have gone tkl layout

[fallow lance]

like a finger print reader above the right arrow key or something (it would obviously be elivated a bit though because of design)

[steady escarp]

Idk man GH60 is like 10+ years old

[sage reef]

but considering they do the zink alloy, that is heavy, it's indeed more surprising that Bezels are so big, would be lighter and cheaper with smaller, also look better for enthusiasts

[steady escarp]

60% has been around for a lot more than 5 years

[obtuse wagon]

Im with the finger print LETS GOOOO

[steady escarp]

Pretty popular back in the day

[buoyant solstice]

Not in mainstream.

[winged birch]

We’ll see

[sage reef]

would be lighter and cheaper with smaller Bezels + look better

[olive coral]

Oh no

[fallow lance]

they probably needed the space though, especially if they needed to move the arrows also

[ancient breach]

I still wonder how it ever reached mainstream, don't get me wrong I understand it as a niche but the sacrifices in functionality do require quite a few modifier layers and such.
Not exactly accessable 60%

[sharp verge]

Judging by saying complimentary... is it coming with the 80HE

Or is it a separate purchase?

[agile rampart]

Makes it harder to buy custom cases for it as well.

Basically they have the market on the cases for it now. Its a shame.

[winged birch]

I doubt it, that’s why I don’t understand the reasoning. Sound like he said it because of the criticism but maybe not.

[foggy kayak]

Possibility there’s going to be more than the few cases shown thus far to be purchased.

[jade widget]

Honestly i got pretty use to 60% having used it for over a year now

[obtuse wagon]

Its great for gaming, especially fps games an all the comp shooters

Most of the other stuff isnt really taking full advantage of the tech anyways, but for work 60 is not the move

[sharp verge]

I'll still take a 75+% layout for games in general

Function keys are surprisingly useful for a few games.

[winged birch]

Many people change the bottom right keys to dedicated arrow keys as it is not a 64 or 65%

[fallow lance]

i code and still do everything i did on my tkl with the 60, i think the only thing that sets it apart is the software which makes it possible

[midnight iron]

yeah I would assume most people even if it's not the best looking layout still buy this over the 60he because it has f keys lol

[jade widget]

Honestly the games I would play that require more keys I would be happy playing them on my tactile 75% with no HE

[sage reef]

unfortunately for coding and software stuff, 60% is just a bit too annoying. dedicated arrow keys is very nice to have, easier on the hand, and F keys also nice to have

[obtuse wagon]

Why I tell folks the 60HE is not other 60%'s when you look at it that way

[shell heath]

i would love a plugin for streamdeck for turn off/on the rgb in the keyboard

[foggy pilot]

Because hitting a function button takes one key press and then you have your desired key?

[olive coral]

That's kinda annoying

[foggy pilot]

People act like it's the end of the world if they have to use the function key, but 90% of you don't touch type so probably why

[obtuse wagon]

Guessing that would require Wootility to run in the background which is a goal they set out not to do

[sharp verge]

And arrow keys.

[foggy pilot]

Been typing on a 60% for work, gaming, etc since 2016

[winged birch]

I agree but is it not as fast to press fn then F1?

[jade widget]

This just ain't the keyboard for that stuff get yourself a nice tactile keyboard it will feel and sound way better

[olive coral]

I'll be swapping pause for delete and fn for context menu I guess

And that'll be close enough

[wise laurel]

wait so its not the same as a 60he but in 80%?

[fallow lance]

I'm sure wooting released their sdk and etc, could probably code one yourself

[sharp verge]

Not when your other hand is already on the mouse

[sage reef]

well 80HE is kind that compromise keyboard though, both gaming and coding, everything

[buoyant solstice]

The 80HE is not just a 60HE that's wider.

[shell heath]

idk how to code :_c

[wise laurel]

wat bout performance, is it the same in that sense

[obtuse wagon]

Think he/she means the keyboard combined with the switches, the entire experience, its just not a work keyboard

[jade widget]

I guess so the HE switches are never going to feel as good as a tactile keyboard though for typing

[foggy pilot]

That's preference of course

[olive coral]

Were we getting new keys with this?

[foggy pilot]

Just like others prefer linears for typing

[olive coral]

Or a lekker redesign, I recall off axis resistance

[winged birch]

Interesting, I use f keys quite often but I don’t mind having to press fn first as I almost never have to press an f key while still needing access to the rest of the “main layer” keys.

[foggy pilot]

Everyone plays starcraft apparently is the reason they need f keys

[fallow lance]

Use caps as a function key

[sharp verge]

League of Legends

[obtuse wagon]

Fn1 on Caps lock, F1-6 pretty easy to reach an I have regular size hands

[winged birch]

Don’t worry, HE switches will get there and it won’t take long.

[shell heath]

i want too for the finalmouse ulx with the xpanel see batery % change polling rate/ dpi

[haughty robin]

Here’s my kb idea, just change the orphan arrow key back to a 1.25u mod key 😁

[winged birch]

For me it is as fast if not faster pressing F keys on my 60HE.

[obtuse wagon]

Calder mentioned it in a vid 1 time, always stuck with it, my hand when reaching for the number row already kinda turns, it feels really natural to hold caps for fn 1 layer

[foggy pilot]

No way man that's impossible don't you know? Gotta have your dedicated f keys because layers can't do that

[midnight iron]

yeah you're not camera switching in that way with double button f key

that would be some psychotic control

[winged birch]

Interesting

[foggy pilot]

I'm memeing. I've been on 60% since 2016

[midnight iron]

your hand would probably cramp after 2 minutes

[winged birch]

and if you keep all your normal keys the same on layer 2 and just change your number row to f keys?

[fallow lance]

layer lock 😉 if you only need to use them f keys atm

[obtuse wagon]

love it

[midnight iron]

that's a lot of layer switching

[shell heath]

can u show me where i can find the sdk or that i have 1 friend that he maybe can create for me

[obtuse wagon]

https://github.com/WootingKb/

[fallow lance]

on github, not sure if its possible to do what you want though.. ive not looked through the code myself so not sure if you'd be able to make a signal to trigger it or not

[winged birch]

I have long ass fingers so I never really notice

[jade widget]

I'm interested to see what they can do with an updated lekker, honestly I'd just be happy with taking the tighter tolerances and less key wobble

[sharp verge]

I have ctrl where caps lock is. I blame being used to HHKB layout.

[midnight iron]

it's more that no sane person would want to f key camera swap 20 times a second using 2 keys

[foggy pilot]

If you want that right now, and don’t mind burning money, then raptor he switches with l60/45 stem is rock solid

[obtuse wagon]

Thats the "coder" keyboard right?

[midnight iron]

it's not just 'oh i have vehicle bound to f1' but rather "I'm pressing f1 then f2 then f3 then f4 and repeating that every 3 seconds while inputting other commands"

[jade widget]

Yeah I've been eying those but I'll wait a bit and see what other switches come out

[foggy kayak]

Ctrl where caps is would fuck my entire life up. I’d be pressing the wrong key all the time

[winged birch]

Why don’t those peope use DKS on the entiry number row

[fallow lance]

but honestly its not bad, i use caps + wasd for arrows, amongst other things and your hands just kinda get used to it
even to the point when im on other keyboards, i accidentally press caps and wasd for arrows 😄

[foggy pilot]

I don't even have caps lock programmed on any of my boards

[haughty robin]

In the end the deal breaker is going to be this “mystery feature” for me as to whether it’s worth it to get over the 60he I have now.

[foggy kayak]

I have my weapon changes on q & e

Flaps on my mouse

[midnight iron]

they're doing different things constantly. The f key is just to swap to do something then go back and such

[obtuse wagon]

Really all I want to know, keeb vs keeb which has better performance

[foggy pilot]

Honestly can't see it being worth it over your 60he

[haughty robin]

I’ve been enjoying home, end, pgup, and pgdn on fn+wasd. Keeping the arrows as default

[midnight iron]

eg this is league, which is a very very simplified and less extreme version of f spamming: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0KmQX2WbRw

starcraft spams the f keys even more

[sharp verge]

Ngl, Faker is an extreme example

[olive coral]

Any idea what the complimentary product is?

[fallow lance]

ah yeah i could see that being useful, i usually use qutebrowser (vim bindings, as i mainly use linux) but if im on another browser, i use a vim plugin so i dont exactly need them 🙂

[foggy pilot]

this how i rock my second layer

[midnight iron]

a lot of the korean pros do it nowadays, it's becoming normalized

[ancient breach]

What for me would be the most annoying is switching to a tty (ctrl+alt+fkeys) Some navigation keys with arrows and shift.
And all for something I do not consider that much of a gain the smaller size.
That being said it would make for an excelent insentive to learn vim.

[buoyant solstice]

The what now?

[olive coral]

Someone mentioned something earlier one sec

[obtuse wagon]

less confusing than mine

[olive coral]

**
@buoyant solstice

[glad fable]

so I was playing around a bit with photopea (I don't know wth I was doing)

[sharp verge]

True with Korean pros. I'd even say Chinese pros as well.

[winged birch]

Maybe I am delusional but I think that could work fine with 60%

[foggy pilot]

have you ever got the "num 9" keys to atually work. Had this program that was coded badly and only recognized numpad numbers, but that never worked

Had to pull out a membrane full size for it was stupid

[midnight iron]

you could but your hand would find it annoying to constantly move back and forth

[sharp verge]

I just read into what Calder said earlier. That's it.

[olive coral]

I see

[obtuse wagon]

Sometimes its kinda weird an doesnt always work

[olive coral]

Excited if we a complimentary product

[winged birch]

Maybe

[midnight iron]

you'd essentially be having to add an extra input for every camera swap and you're checking other cameras constantly while trying to use qwer abilities at same time. Just overcomplicates when you could just press your f key if you had it

[winged birch]

Yeah but he’s not pressing numbers or qwer when spamming f keys

[fallow lance]

i dont play league but in this case, 1 - 9 numbers even needed?

[winged birch]

if he had to simultaneously I can understand it

[fallow lance]

cause in that case you could just make another profile just with 1 - 9 as f keys

[midnight iron]

that's cause it's just in that video it's not when he needs to yet. But there's plenty of times when he will

[winged birch]

But you’re probably right, I don’t play lol

[winged birch]

Alright

[shell heath]

hope yes is bcs when i turn off monitor my current keyboard doesnt turn off and that give me toc xd

[foggy pilot]

I have the answer, stop playing the terrible game known as League

[midnight iron]

yeah people use them for items and such, but depends on the player

[ancient breach]

Either way it started with my comment, I think the biggest thing is not that you can't with effort get everything you need out of 60%, but rather that it seems like a level of aclimatization, messing with layers and such I would have guest went beyond what all but a smaller niche was willing to deal with.

But reality has proven me otherwise.

[fallow lance]

id probably just rebind the keys and not use f keys 😄

[midnight iron]

now imagine that spam by 10x worse and that's starcraft

[ancient breach]

Either way 60% is not really what this channel is about.

[fallow lance]

okay guys, lets get back to the arrow issue

[foggy pilot]

Yes it's channel to complain that people didn't get standard ansi 6.25u tkl where they don't use the keys anyways

[winged birch]

You made it right?

[shell heath]

now the rgb is not center

[obtuse wagon]

Not any 60% tho, just the 60HE combined with Wootility

[winged birch]

It literally is

[olive coral]

Just want del where it was : (

[obtuse wagon]

I would say you lose alot on other 60's, not all but some

[shell heath]

with the up arrow i mean

[hazy cove]

The diffusion layer for the front rgb looks a little weak

[shell heath]

like someone add the logo

[winged birch]

It literally is

[foggy pilot]

When you know how to home row touch type it becomes effortless, but a lot of people finger peck or don't have proper typing form so think "60% bad" automatically

[jade widget]

Still love that league in game mouse settings is just windows mouse settings

[winged birch]

It’s not a diffusion layer really, it has ridges idk how you call it

[fallow lance]

if you're on about the pic, nah it was me lol

[winged birch]

It’s not a diffusion layer like you’d see in rgb strips for in your pc

[hazy cove]

I just mean you can still see the discrete LEDs

[winged birch]

Oh sorry, I forgot lmao

I just yoinked it

[foggy pilot]

program end to delete and profit

[fallow lance]

yeah i said about making the plastic like a frosted type to defuse the lights earlier

[shell heath]

u can see the rgb dots??i though it was bcs the photo

[agile rampart]

Can you make an image where the top arrow key is inbetween the two buttons but in the same area?

[winged birch]

You get the del key with the keycaps

[foggy pilot]

oh yeah always forget about the keycap angle. Included ones always bad to me, and I don't use rgb so never even think about it as I swap keycaps

[sage reef]

looks pretty good

[fallow lance]

so the up arrow is pointing between end and page down?

[obtuse wagon]

Did you just add a roller an slim down the forhead

[agile rampart]

yes

[obtuse wagon]

Seems everybody wants something different

[winged birch]

IMAGINEERE

Another key there

[shell heath]

ye this in metal

[winged birch]

Holyyyy

[foggy pilot]

I want 60he with 7u/tsangan bottom row and then my life will be complete

[shell heath]

the wooting logo in metal

[winged birch]

I want the 64HE and then my life will be complete.

[foggy pilot]

sorry oring mount like unikorn with daughterobard as well, then life complete

[fallow lance]

theres not exactly enough room for that but ill show ya anyways

[winged birch]

Where would the right arrow go?

[agile rampart]

The board would be slightly wider to make the bezels even

[midnight iron]

someone figure out why there's a wooting logo facing up inside the case next to the suspicious arrow area

[fallow lance]

addons 😄

[agile rampart]

awesome. Just curious to see how it would have looked

[foggy pilot]

the surprise is going to be oled screen

[winged birch]

LMAO

[foggy pilot]

theyll do it out of spite

[winged birch]

That’s why it is an add on

😧

[obtuse wagon]

Yea screen is a gimmick, 2019 Apex Pro line had bad burn in if you decided to stick a gif there, which was the only thing it originally supported

[shell heath]

a key for just mute ur mic when u leave that 5mins but in reality is 30mins

[winged birch]

And profile switching which was really nice tbh

[foggy pilot]

[crude crystal]

where does this screenshot come from ?

[midnight iron]

one of staff prototypes

[fallow lance]

here ya go
its a bit rough cause i did it quick but yakno, you get the idea of what ya wanted

[crude crystal]

Alright

[foggy pilot]

it's gasket mounted and a metal case right?

[agile rampart]

Thanks btw.

[obtuse wagon]

Has an option for metal, guessing that will be a prem price

[foggy pilot]

I already have a frog mini for wooting, but would have been nice to have that option when 60he launched

[midnight iron]

the other clue is they also said they couldn't show the back of the transparent keyboard on stream because it would leak something

[agile rampart]

Y'all it would be wider to have the same bezel lmao. But i'm the only that can see that.

[obtuse wagon]

That thing looks kinda sick

[haughty robin]

@fallow lance can you make one with no arrow keys and no key island?

[fallow lance]

yeah sure

[dense trout]

this would be perfect, nobody need those anyways

[crude crystal]

perfect

[shell heath]

no arrows only oled screen with doom game

[winged birch]

Lol

[obtuse wagon]

Think most people want it slimmer, they arent diggin the big forehead

[haughty robin]

You read right though me. Give me the 60he with F keys glued on top

[obtuse wagon]

They need a clip on F row, how has nobody came out with this yet

[agile rampart]

Yeah. A lot of different wants. Make me sad that they couldn't just stick with a traditional number layout. Then everyone would be happy eventually.

[lament saffron]

Any macro pad works

[sharp verge]

That sounds like an awful idea... just use a separate macro pad.

[sage reef]

you can kill someone with 80HE zink

[haughty robin]

Just get 4 UwUs

[sharp verge]

Damn I'm too slow

[obtuse wagon]

Well I dont want it, for the folks who want to reach up for a standard F row

[midnight iron]

okay another theory. What if there's something that wraps around the outside of the case like an accent piece using the inlays shown around the sides of the case, and it has a piece that also comes up onto the front next to the arrow keys

[obtuse wagon]

Just clip it ontop of the 60HE

[verbal solar]

the wooting 80 is tray mount?

[winged birch]

I wish they’d make many modules that fit standard case sizes like 64, 65, etc

[verbal solar]

oh

[winged birch]

gasket

[verbal solar]

that makes it way more interesting then

somebody buy this and put jades on it

[winged birch]

???

[lament saffron]

2 HE is 100