💻│wootomation

[frigid kiln]

hammers are getting removed in like a week lol

[visual girder]

im using dynamic key strokes in wootillity

[visual girder]

🤷‍♂️ better late than never

[stable granite]

First time using Wootomation. I've used Razer's Synapse a lot, so I'm used to that. Can a macro be set to repeat? So if I press "G" and I want it to spam AWAWAWAW over and over, is that possible?

[pure salmon]

not yet, it will be able to in future releases

its a planned feature

[stable granite]

Awesome, thank you.

[visual girder]

i saw a vid where this guy used 0.001 duration for each key he pressed on razer synapse and i thought u could do that on wootomation

[pure salmon]

windows needs some time to process the inputs, the macros arent hardware outputted so there has to be a 1ms delay

[visual girder]

hm

should i just set it to 1 ms then?

[pure salmon]

sure

[visual girder]

ok

[pure salmon]

i mean the os takes time to process anything coming to it anyway so 0.001 might very well be 1ms in reality

[visual girder]

oh shit im actually stupid

synapse does intervals of seconds

and wootomation doesnt

but .001s = 1ms

so we good

also is there a way just to have 1 trigger key?

[pure salmon]

😄

[pure salmon]

not yet its a slight tweak i hope to make into 1.0.3

[visual girder]

ok perfect

[muted badge]

Had the same problem, im still using rewasd for now until it’s fixed

[visual girder]

i just switched back to my old kb 😭

also does anyone know if using the macro feature in razer synapse is bannable?

[muted badge]

I still like the wooting a lot more than my Apex, but using rewasd for macros could work for you as well @visual girder

Depends on the game I guess, but I doubt it’s detectable in most cases

[visual girder]

not like an edit macro. just to open my inventory, drop an item, and close my inventory in fortnite

[muted badge]

I dont think that should be a problem

Have you used rewasd before?

[visual girder]

never

i haven’t even used razer synapse macro feature b4

[abstract wind]

Is it possible for wootomation macro to trigger even when holding down other keys? Using the same example as before, if I had a macro to spam E, bound to say A and I also want to also hold down W at the same time. For it to spam E (by holding A) while I'm holding down W?

I've tried doing so but when I start holding down W along with A, the macro no longer works. I also cannot make combinations such as W + A to hold down W and also spam E as it seems to not allow two keys that aren't Shift + something etc.

[pure salmon]

a feature for that is already almost done and ready for 1.1 🙂

[stoic sinew]

does this have coding macros like logitech?

[knotty sapphire]

can you elaborate on what "coding macros" are?

[stoic sinew]

in logitech ghub you can make a macro but instead of recording key presses to make the macro you can code it instead like the picture

this is the full picture

[shy lotus]

if you want that just use AHK

[stoic sinew]

ive had a lot of bugs with ahk and generally just not good experiences also doesnt hurt asking if the keyboard has software built in for it

[shy lotus]

i mean wootomations is more like AHK for the layman. it works with any keyboard but without the added baggage of learning to code

[white viper]

True

[stoic sinew]

so its like normal macro software that comes with mice and keyboards then right?

[shy lotus]

no most of those only work with their devices from my knowledge

[stoic sinew]

oh wait so wootomation works with everything?

[shy lotus]

yes

[stoic sinew]

oh ok i guess ill start using it till my wooting 60he arrives

[shy lotus]

if we would include full programmability we would probably just use AHK as the engine cause why reinvent the wheel when AHK works fine

[stark grove]

Yeah using the ahk engine for windows would be cool, not cross platform but that doesn't mean windows users shouldn't get a cool feature

[placid scroll]

Its just not working at all for me :/
Anything known in that regard

[shy lotus]

linux distros and mac have better built in tools usually

[frigid kiln]

any eta for when the update with repeat while held option will come out?

[pure salmon]

its planned for next updates @frigid kiln , I dont have a good timeframe yet, but as soon as I know i'll let you know too

if you know anyone who'd like to contribute btw, feel free to tell them 😄 the app is opensource and contributions to get features in faster are welcome!

[jovial kraken]

Hey there! I am expecting a Wooting Two HE, but as soon as I discovered wootomation, I thought about all the things that my mouse's software support couldn't do or does badly or other potential traps, so I could tell you guys about the things to possibly avoid (sadly, I only know a bit of Python and even that most probably would not be nearly enough to deal with such low-level stuff like keyboard and macros). Here goes!

1. Regarding https://github.com/WootingKb/wooting-macros/issues/123 ("Alt-key handling mostly broken") - Watch out for non-US layouts and their use of AltGr key! E.g. Polish has diacritics (żółćęśąźń/ŻÓŁĆĘŚĄŹŃ) which are accessed by [Right] AltGr + (z|o|l|c|e|s|a|x|n) (+ shift for capital), respectively. Would be nice to be able to still write properly ;).
2. Regarding https://github.com/WootingKb/wooting-macros/issues/104 or https://github.com/WootingKb/wooting-macros/issues/127 ("Live macro keys" / "macro record, macro delete") - it would be great if there was a possibility to look into what was currently in the current [well, only] "live macro" buffer/slot, edit, copy, save permanently to a different key. I mean it as an addition to the default option which was presented ("<some other key> + <live macro key> = record; <live macro key> to replay"), not instead of it.
3. Regarding https://github.com/WootingKb/wooting-macros/issues/131 ("Add/Expand: Playback, Delay, Insert settings") - I had a problem with the other software when it came to a task of "tap <X> button to hold <Y> button; tap <X> again OR tap <Y> to release <Y>". This was theoretically possible, but in practice it broke down because of some error in low-level implementation. I would call this mode of operation "Breakable toggle", because the toggling OFF of the macro loop can be broken by another key.
4. Sometimes I make mistakes while writing macros or scripts - and sometimes all hell breaks loose because of that (e.g. macro that alt-tabs, copies, alt-tabs back and pastes requires the alt-tab queue to be just right). I suggest adding a possibility to bind sort of a panic button which would kill all ongoing loops/toggles/holds.

Also - a question about implementation of 131:

[toggle] Toggle a macro-loop ON/OFF.```
I don't know which of the approaches would be better and would like to know your thoughts about them - would you rather go about breaking the loop/macro instantly after ceasing to hold down the button or toggling it off *or* would you prefer to continue the loop/macro gracefully till its end?

[pure salmon]

thanks for the input

yeahh as you see a lot of these things take a long time to figure out design wise 😄

there are multiple ways to approach things and the architecture of the app also paves way for a specific implementation

[jovial kraken]

I plan on supplying macros from LGS (I don’t have the issue number at hand) because I’ve seen that you have plans on importing macros from other software (razer, was it?), but there are many kinds of those and I don’t use all of them personally, so I’ll have to actually create the types I don’t use.

It would be nice to be able to migrate at least some automation (mouse takes in LUA scripts in a somewhat restricted form, but I somehow don’t see this happening here) from mouse to keyboard.

[shy lotus]

depends on how easy it is to find where they are stored on the pc if at all

[jovial kraken]

Oh, both macros and scripts are easily accessible, it’s a single XML in one of the %appdata% folders. The thing about creating different macros and bindings to be able to give you guys a complete set of them (I suppose if you are going to support importing then it’s preferable to go all the way and be able to import all types, not a subset) will be a bit more tedious, but still doable.

The mouse has the possibility to keep to internally stored profiles, but these are really, really restricted in comparison to pc-kept ones. And you can have only three - I’m doing a profile per game + a default one for windows + some work profiles... 3 wouldn’t cut it.

[shy lotus]

we would only import macros that are compatible with the macro software capabilities. also still dont know why all companies like xml

[pure salmon]

yeah XML is a vomit to parse

[jovial kraken]

LGS ones aren’t that bad tbh

At least they are human-readable and kind-of editable.

[jovial kraken]

That’s why it’s important for me to deliver the various macro and binding types so you can map toggle to toggle, hold to hold, etc.

Or even make user choose - since you have more types, sometimes user would prefer to choose loop (because wootility would have it) instead of toogle/hold (because less types in other software)

[lucid harbor]

"Linux is supported, but may be unstable with Wayland"

Can finally use Wayland and this is how it is.

[pure salmon]

well noone really tested it properly there yet

we got some testing but proper using is a different dataset

[shy lotus]

so callum: be the change

[junior pumice]

I need a macro to push 5 keys at once with as little latency between them as possible. This worked super well in razer synapse but for whatever reason there seems to be a lot of latency between each key in wootomation.
I removed all delays between keystrokes when I recorded the macro but it’s way more than the 0ms it’s supposed to be. Am I doing something wrong?

[bright night]

ok

[pure salmon]

it has 1 ms latency to the os that is supposed to prevent the os from dying from overload

i can try and tweak the latency a little bit

[junior pumice]

Is that issue solved by having the macro come from the hardware?

[pure salmon]

well taht is one of the things, yes. I removed the delay entirely and it seems to be fine from testing so I'll include that in the 1.0.3 patch

[junior pumice]

Thanks!

[muted moss]

will there be mouse movement or clicking at a x y pixel?

[pure salmon]

we need to UI for it and design flow of how it should be presented

[muted moss]

[midnight grail]

Hey i dont know if anyone can help me with this but I need to transfer this macro to wootomation and im not sure what that would look like

[knotty sapphire]

Not sure how synapse handles the delays, but maybe something like this?

oops, sorry it should be like this

that being said though, if you don't want a delay between the down and up events, then you can reduce how many events you have by leaving them as a DownUp event

[midnight grail]

Could I bind it to a mouse button

Would that work?

[lean trellis]

This is either a shatterskate or a wellskate bind. The bind with the same timings worked on my steelseries keyboard atleast so I'd say it should also work on the wooting keyboard

[jovial kraken]

This gets even worse with multiple screens, especially with different resolutions. Not to mention custom solutions like eyefinity which can have e.g. 3x 2 monitor matrix pretending to be one.

And relative movement.

[pure salmon]

yeah especially scaling

because the resolutions get reported as smaller screens usually

not to mention the UI to actually pick where you want the cursors to move

[knotty sapphire]

You could, though afaik there's limited testing with the mouse side buttons, so not 100% sure it will work, depending on the button you use

You can try it out now, Wootomation works with any keyboard/mouse

[knotty sapphire]

yeah this is something that a non-designer like me wouldn't even want to touch lol

[thorn lichen]

This is auto detected by anti cheat right as a macro or is there a delay we can add to make it not appear as a micro?

[pure salmon]

there is no information available on the subject. macros are considered cheating in many games and anti-cheats might react as such. We provide a full disclaimer to be very careful to not cheat with the macros in games to gain unfair advantage. It's a productivity tool, not meant to gain some insane advantage in games

[jovial kraken]

TBH if this is was stored and executed on hardware itself (i.e. firmware-level wootmation, not software-level wootomation), then nothing should be able to detect it if you set the delay values to human-attainable values. Even better if wootomation had a "random delay from range X to Y", but since they stated multiple times they don't want to provide insane advantage, that's probably not going to happen.

Which is a bit sad, because I know cases from my work (software testing) where just having random delays in a specified range would be very useful.

[thorn lichen]

^

Wish we could do something like that for firmware but have it at human attainable reaction times 100-200ms perhaps variable

[shy lotus]

so 180-300ms then

most people are a good chunk above 200

[spiral crag]

Not to cheat in games*

[shy lotus]

We are trying to work with some eSports organizations to see if we cant have tournament firmware that wont have macros or some other solution so that the layman can use macros.

[jovial kraken]

But that’s surely for repetitive keys or something? Because when typing with more than one finger (which I don’t do :P) I sometimes type "simultaneously" from human perspective, but macro recordings show very small delays.

Also, Wooting itself has the super fast reset thingy, which would probably make the re-press faster

[jovial kraken]

That is fantastic, thanks!

[shy lotus]

reaction time wise only the best of the best barely reach below 200 and only sometimes

[jovial kraken]

I didn’t speak on reactions, just delays in general. If you don’t allow lower delays thst would be arbitrarily constraining.

Oh, it would be fantastic if there would be extra features (or an addon?) for wootility when a wooting keyboard would be detected. I mean, I can think of some already (press to loop, bottom out to finish current loop gracefully and ignore the release)

[shy lotus]

i think i was replying to the message above my 180-300ms

[junior pumice]

pog

[thorn lichen]

Any news on this or still in preliminary stage?

[shy lotus]

nothing to report

[jovial kraken]

I guess it will take time for any/all organisations to share that info if they are even going to

So patience is the name of the game.

[willow valley]

Why I have Tachyon Speed 1,4 only instead of <1

[waxen dagger]

reminder: #1085542553664884756

in case I forget/lose time to check it out//someone else wants to check it out

[pure salmon]

this is more of a question for the hardware side but the answer is simple: there are a lot of keys to scan and currently the scanning cant happen for everything at once

there are ways around this and we might have some updates on that pretty soon but the difference between 0.75ms is imperceptible by anything in real (keyboard) world

[willow valley]

So it's not a problem on my side? In Videos I see ~1 ms. For me it is 1,4.

[pure salmon]

nono, its expected. we are always improving our keyboards with firmware updates though ^_^

[rich marsh]

shouldnt the github repository be renamed to wootomation? is that even possible?

[pure salmon]

hmm a good point we can look into that

[quaint orbit]

Hello, I posted a support ticket the other day, but I think it got lost in the noise. I'm unable to get macros registering with a ASCII combo that works when I type it out, but not when I use the macro trigger. I can't get the test case to work either so I think it is a software issue since my keyboard is recognized and I can change settings in the wootility. https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1085542553664884756

[gleaming mural]

sorry if this is a dumb question, but how would i for example make it so pressing L + K = O, but also J + K = U

[knotty sapphire]

Hmm, a bit tricky. If you don't want the O and U to happen at the same time, unfortunately there isnt a way to "switch" or "toggle on/off" macros at the moment

but, if you want the O and U to input at the same time, just add them together in the sequence

[gleaming mural]

I'm not too sure I understood correctly but let me explain. The idea is that I want to get into sf6 when it releases and that I'd play WASD + IJKL. In tekken this worked because there were only four buttons for attacking. Pressing U and O feels really unnatural so I'm trying to find a way to use only IJKL.

Would that be possible with wootomation or should I look fo other options?

[knotty sapphire]

From your previous comment, you want to have "J+K" output both O and U

[gleaming mural]

no?

[knotty sapphire]

pressing L + K = O, but also J + K = U

You said this, did you not?

[gleaming mural]

right

that first one is an L though

[knotty sapphire]

ah my mistake, im a bad reader hahaha

in that case, yeah I don't see why you couldn't do that

[gleaming mural]

Oh nice

[knotty sapphire]

you would just have to go into the json file to adjust the trigger keys, as right now there is a

constraint? i guess is the word, that doesn't allow you to press both of those atm for the trigger

[gleaming mural]

err, that sounds kinda difficult 😅

[knotty sapphire]

Yeah, one second, I'm looking for a previous answer

Ok well, can't find it but perhaps @pure salmon can give you a better answer as to whether or not this is possible, or if it will be adjusted in the future, sorry

[gleaming mural]

Ok, thanks anyways

[knotty sapphire]

I think the comments starting from this one are what you are looking for

#💻│wootomation message

and the data_json file can be found in your %AppData%/Roaming/wooting-macro-app folder

There could be bugs, but it seems like the other guy hasn't had any problems

[gleaming mural]

Thank you🫶

[knotty sapphire]

Hey, just checking in to see if you managed to have it work how you want it to, and if there have been any issues with the app?

[shy lotus]

a one off isnt really helpful

an average is way more telling

[dusty mango]

as in like, multiple tests?

[shy lotus]

yes youd take a good sample size of tests (of course not just picking the good ones but all you do no matter the result) and then average the time

taking too small of a sample size or cherry picking obviously falsifies a result

[dusty mango]

yeah i agree

[shy lotus]

especially something rather variable like reaction time

[dusty mango]

mhm

[shy lotus]

so youd probably do like 100 or 200 tests

and then average the results

[dusty mango]

jeez

[dusty mango]

i think this is fair to say

[shy lotus]

not to mention actual in game situations will differ as you dont just concentrate on 1 specific stimulus

[dusty mango]

to get below 200 i would need to focus intensely

[dusty mango]

yea exactly

[shy lotus]

theres usually audio and multiple visual areas you focus on

[dusty mango]

never really thought of that till now, glad to have learned something 🤣

[gleaming mural]

Ultimately I got a friend to look at it since I'm not very tech savvy and lack understanding of how to work with JSON. I tried the solution he proposed but noticed that no matter what I did to the file it didn't seem to affect the macro itself.

As in if I changed the number "15" to "14" as a trigger It didn't change what button the macro was bound to

This was what my friend suggested me to try btw

Wait nevermind I tried it again and this time it kinda works 🙃

Ok so I don't know what I did differently but it's working now, kinda hard to trigger the macro though since the timing is pretty tight

[pure salmon]

i'll look more into this issue and try to see what prevents the UI from doing this

[knotty sapphire]

Yeah this isn't intended behaviour so it's expected to not work as well. Thanks for letting us know though!

[knotty sapphire]

Well we simply just stop recording input if a non-modifer key is pressed. Easy to remove but it's in place since it could affect the performance of the app due to the modifier order thing?

[pure salmon]

yeah there would have to be many limitations placed or tweaked - for example the permutation generation for order of keys is based only on the last 3 keys, having more than 1 nonmodifier would completely break the algorithm

[knotty sapphire]

yeah, modifying that behaviour would mean we don't need the constraints anymore

[pure salmon]

we kinda do - for example what happens when other keys are pressed? what about the order of non-modifiers?

[knotty sapphire]

I meant like, changing the system so that it doesn't require the constraints would mean we don't need them lol

Tougher to do than to consider as you know 😂

[pure salmon]

yeah

[tough jewel]

Hi, I'm trying to make a clicker macro for idle games and sorts but I cant work out how to get wootomation to work

Is there a guide anywhere on how to use it properly

[knotty sapphire]

I think for your use case where the mouse button is looping forever until you stop it, you will have to wait for a future update where those types of macros are added

Currently, Wootomation only supports non-looping, or "single play" type macros. I.e. when you press the trigger key, the macro plays out only once.

[rancid wyvern]

It seems that League of Legends doesn't recognize any output that comes from Wootomation macros. Has anyone found a solution to this?

Incase it needs to be said, I'm not trying to cheat with a macro - I just want to add a tiny delay to a keypress to fix an issue i'm having with dynamic keystroke behavior

[pure salmon]

might be the anticheat software they have

[pure salmon]

understandable but their anticheat has ways to bypass software intervention

[rancid wyvern]

But how are dynamic keystrokes getting through?

Seems like wootomation sends out keystrokes with some kind of "edited" flag while the 60HE's dynamic keystrokes don't

wonder if we could just... remove that flag

I just found a bit of a workaround for my original problem though

I discovered that removing the tickrate on my dynamic keystrokes makes them behave better in league

still not perfect, but now I have to reaaaally feather touch the key to get the DKS to mess up

[pure salmon]

its hardware input instead of software

[rancid wyvern]

Gotcha. Ideally a future version of Wootility will give the ability to add a delay between parts of a DKS

[pure salmon]

hmmm cant that be done now already? i feel like it should be

[rancid wyvern]

Oh? I don’t think so… I’ll check again when I’m at my PC tomorrow

[junior pumice]

Will there be hardware macros in future keyboard releases?

[shy lotus]

depending on some factors that could be a yes and maybe even on current ARM boards

[junior pumice]

i was pretty surprised when i got the 60he that it didnt have it

[shy lotus]

well mainly cause people dont actually need macros for the most part or misuse them.

many people store their passwords in it or break game tos with it so ya. we have gotten some people with more applicable use cases and just wanna make sure now that if we implement it we can also provide some tournament legal way to use the keyboard at sanctioned events.

[rancid wyvern]

Nice, hardware macros would solve my issue.

[junior pumice]

i also dont feel great about wootomation running in the background all the time

[shy lotus]

well we dont all too much either but the biggest part of the community wanted to be able to do stuff like unicode and open software which onboard macros just cant do

also why we tried making wootomation as small of a footprint as possible

[junior pumice]

i meant more as something some anti cheat won't like whether it's even being used or not

[winter mortar]

do macros not work with alt modifier as trigger?

cant seem to get this to work

[frigid kiln]

Yo, any updates?

[pure salmon]

i started working on it slowly, it requires an extensive rewrite of the current system

[frigid kiln]

any reason why this wouldn't work?

i used the button to the left of 1, but when i press it the macro doesn't play]

[pure salmon]

is that a deadkey?

[shy lotus]

no its `

2 of which make a discord inline code block

[pure salmon]

on some language layouts this is an accent deadkey

[frigid kiln]

I just tried it, it works on desktop but doesn't work in-game

[pure salmon]

oh

[willow valley]

Are the profiles only activated if they are on keyboardprofiles? lol

[dry pumice]

does anyone here have a good idea how to use wootamation?

please dm me

david i would dm you but i want to remain respectful, i just purchased a wooting kb and i am trying to figure out how to make a macro that involves mouse movement. all i see are mouse button events. Is there any way for it to get the mouse to move in a relative coordinate position?

[visual girder]

Anybody know how to fix an issue where one of the keys is stuck a color?

For some reason my } key is stuck on pink and even if I switch profiles it stays that color

[pure salmon]

mouse movement is a thing we are working on

the application actually already supports it on the backend, but we havent quite yet designed a proper UI for it

[dry pumice]

Hopefully it gets implemented, it’s such a good feature to have for automation of mundane tasks

[brave jay]

So does wootility need to open for the presets to function

[modest tendon]

i made a destiny 2 macro that well skates for you

and a shatter skate macro

[shy lotus]

what presets function

[brave jay]

profiles sorry

[shy lotus]

depends

are we talking wootomation or keyboard profiles

[brave jay]

profiles in general are a bit unclear and ive seen a lot of confusion

keyboard profiles

[shy lotus]

ok while its the wrong channel ill quickly explain as its quite easy and clear. active profiles are profiles actively on the keyboard and they are useable without wootility. if you cant place an inactive profile in the active profiles section because you use all active profiles as well you will need to have wootility open to switch and use the inactive profiles.

[brave jay]

Ok well then yeah a lot of peoples profiles aren't even working then, ive seen a bunch of screen shots and vids where they make the profile and its in "inactive" and they just close the app

So which profile will remain active since there's always 4?

[shy lotus]

the one selected

on keyboard power up its always the top most profile as its a digital only one

the other 3 are A1, A2 and A3 in that order and can be accessed by using the appropriate keys in the FN layer

A stands for analog

[brave jay]

Ok thank you that clears up a lot of confusion

[shy lotus]

analog profiles have 1 difference that is that they can output controller data

other than that no difference

[brave jay]

So the top digit profile will always be active? No need to open the app or have the app open

[shy lotus]

if you disable the controller output of the keyboard in general you technically have 4 digital profile slots

[shy lotus]

all 4 dont need the app open ever

if you only need 4 profiles you could theoretically configure the keyboard once and never have wootility open or installed again

and for more questions id ask if we can move to #1019755933959733258

just make a post there and we can continue talking

[brave jay]

Damn yeah the number one video on configuring the keyboard for apex didn't even do it right

ok thanks sorry

[lucid harbor]

Omg

[lucid harbor]

Omg

Share?

[modest tendon]

uhh yeah i got you when i get home brother

[lucid harbor]

Nice one 👌🤌

[modest tendon]

i don’t have a picture right now but it’s

3 up and down stroke, 500 ms added delay, right click up and down, 50 ms added delay, space downstroke only, f (or super keybind) up and down, then space upstroke only, then 50 ms added delay, and finally, optionally 1 or 2 for switching to special or primary (up and downstroke) @lucid harbor probably confusing af i don’t have a pic LOL

for shatter skate just replace f or super bind with shatter (obviously)

[lucid harbor]

Nice nice

I'll have a try later ❤️

[real lynx]

hello guys! can anyone help me with replicating a nroll over key effect like holding down 2 keys at the same time resulting into this " xcxcxcxcxcxcxc " was trying to replicate it in the macro but kept getting "xccxccxccxcc"

sorry if it sounds dumb LOL

[still mantle]

Hey is it possible to have a macro repeat whole the key is held down i dokt see an option, maybe im just slow lol

[real lynx]

i dont think there is i was looking for it too

[still mantle]

Ah okay

[knotty sapphire]

This was something we wanted to include in 1.0 but it's a bit tricker than expected.

However its been mentioned that "On Hold" and "Loop/Toggle" type macros will be added in the future, but there is no ETA

[real lynx]

Does anyone know when i enter a game like Maplestory i can't trigger my key on Wootomation but when im on my desktop and type it on my notepad it works?

[ember cipher]

Yea my trigger keys arent working either

yea so none of my trigger keys work in or out of game. they're all pretty straightforward.

oh, it just doesn't work with ALT hmm

[modest tendon]

i meant to send this way earlier but i fell asleep

@lucid harbor hopefully you dont mind ping

[lucid harbor]

ty and i dont mind pings ❤️

@modest tendonbro, 10/10

[modest tendon]

yay

[lucid harbor]

@modest tendon do i need to have a gap?

[modest tendon]

did you swap your weapon

it looks like you did

maybe

[lucid harbor]

i did not, at least i dont think so

sec

nope xD

i wonder if its a frame rate thing

[modest tendon]

maybe

it works fine for me i play at 165

but maybe you could increase the delay by a little

also maybe you were too far back

because i believe you’re supposed to be pretty close to the edge for it to consistently work with the delay times that i have

[lucid harbor]

ye i think i am doing that

haha

[modest tendon]

because it pops super like directly after and it looked like you just weren’t off the edge or something i’m not sure

[lucid harbor]

Just noticed this after 4 in a row haha https://mrpl.me/e97331b_rfr7.jpg

[modest tendon]

LMAO

[lucid harbor]

but also adding 10ms helped a lot

[modest tendon]

okay that’s good

[lucid harbor]

Well, there goes that theory lol

https://mrpl.me/W67332b_rfY1.jpg

prob round edges

if its anything like scatter scate

ye so the issue only seems to happen when i do them so frequently, i seem to get an issue on the third try or fourth, its prob frame rate issue or cooldown.

Aint really related to macro oops

@pure salmon mouse + key combo for macro activation when

[modest tendon]

weird

[lucid harbor]

Hunter version absolutely recks mine haha,

[mossy goblet]

Yes

[knotty sapphire]

Very cool to see these and to see Wootomation being used haha

I wonder what else people have been using it for

[modest tendon]

i’m trying to make more

there’s so many things you can do

like something that requires timing like that or sequential presses

[eternal prawn]

my wootomation don't work. i simply wrote a sample of "wassup" and when i activate it with CTRL + R in the .txt file it close the file instantly... with other texts with @ or / in it its even worse. anyone know why?

oh man rly... when i press CTRL + R to trigger the makro its pressing the S in it so fast while i still hold CRTL and saves the .txt an leave it before i can release CRTL

how do i fix that?

[knotty sapphire]

Try adding a short delay before the S, maybe like 5-10ms (try different values)

[eternal prawn]

ok its just a delay issue?

i try

ok woked. need to set as delay of 400 before the W comes

[pure salmon]

i tried doing some scroll wheel stuff before but need to make a proper solution for combining anything together

[dry pumice]

Is it just you working on on wootamation? It has so much potential to be something great.

[pure salmon]

it is open source and i know some people contributing, any help is welcome 😄

[dry pumice]

I think in terms of macros, corsair was perfect. They had everything. Mouse scroll, mouse movement, variance in delays, etc

ah I see!

[white girder]

does wootomation utilize wooting's DKS feature? DKS works in a game but wootomation doesnt

so I guess DKS is hardware based and wootomation is software based (SendInput or sth)

[pure salmon]

nope its software based and keyboard independent

[white girder]

would be interesting if it had DKS support, unless DKS is only capable of 4 keys hardware wise

[shy lotus]

dks doesnt need wootomation support

wootomation would need to implement analog functions is all

[white girder]

yeah im just curious about the potential capability of having hardware macros

just like DKS but with more customization options, recording

[waxen wave]

Oldschool mortal kombat 4 fatalities.

[lilac sand]

I just checked out wootomation and started to wonder what F13 and after is

or are they just macro buttons?

[lilac sand]

nvm, I figured it out 👍

[lilac sand]

Is there any way to make macro with Wootomation to get "<>"?

[waxen dagger]

plenty
copypaste text or the ,< and .> key with shift modifier ||(or whatever key your OS keyboard layout is using for the < and > key)||

[lilac sand]

Thank you 🙂
I was trying to type it all out just as it was (as if it was just simple keystrokes, not big text) and realized button for <> on Swe setup didn't work, so got stuck

[lilac sand]

Feels like I only come here with issues but... Not sure what it is but after a while the macro just stops working and I need to close down Wootomation and restart it for them to work again.

[knotty sapphire]

Is this only for 1 macro? Or do you have multiple

Also, can you post a screenshot of the macro?

The only time I've ever had Wootomation stop working is when I put my PC to sleep

[knotty sapphire]

Afaik you can't, but if you have a wooting wouldn't you rather have those buttons in your Fn layer?

[lilac sand]

all macros, it's as if the program just stops working

[lilac sand]

this is one of hte macros, but as I said, all of em stop, and only way to make em turn on again is to restart program.
I've only seen it happen so far as I'm testing around and editing it, so I can't speak for how it does when I only use macro without opening it up

[deep topaz]

hey, i have a problem with Mouse5 and Mouse4, i can set them as trigger keys but the macro does not work, anyone have the same problem? the other mouse buttons work fine

[white igloo]

Hey all, i cant get any macros to work? not sure what im missing... when i press r-alt+m it should type out "test" but nothing happens.

[knotty sapphire]

There seems to be a problem with alt keys not working as a trigger key, does it work if you replace alt with something else?

[knotty sapphire]

Those buttons are a bit hit and miss at the moment, unfortunately I have no news to share 😦

[knotty sapphire]

Just to clarify, Wootomation stops working while you are editing macros? Hmm

[lilac sand]

Correct, as in, I do changes, then save, try it out, then after a while it just stops working and doesn't start again until I close it down fully and reopen it (just minimize doesn't do anything, need to close it completely)

Seems to work fine as long as I don't edit stuff too much, tested it now after having it on for few hrs, no issues as of yet. Seems to only be when I make changes

[knotty sapphire]

This would be something that @pure salmon would have to look into

Do you think there are any other programs on your machine that could cause this? I personally haven't experienced this issue but an anecdote isn't the best answer hahaha

[white igloo]

Thanks for the response, yes it seems like Alt is the cause, got something working with a different trigger key.

[pure salmon]

windows loves alt. very much. which is kinda annoying because we are thinking of how to fix it but it requires some low level library rewrites and OS specific handling

[lilac sand]

Fairly sure it's no other program as I wiped PC recently.

[knotty sapphire]

Windows 11?

[lilac sand]

Alr, as long as it doesn't get in the way outside of when I edit, it's not that big a problem tbh.

[lilac sand]

Win 10

[knotty sapphire]

Hmm, weird since the thing used for wootomation should work fine in win10. I run win11 and have no issues so perhaps that could be a reason why 🤔

[lilac sand]

You'd know better than me xD

Since it's not a big issue for me, it's all fine. Wanted to at least tell ya guys the issue in case something was off or if others were experiencing same thing

[knotty sapphire]

Yep, thanks for letting us know!

[dense basin]

my wootomation macro is not triggering, am I doing something wrong? (I saved the macro)

[knotty sapphire]

Can you try using a different trigger key to see if it works?

At the moment, it might be the case that Mouse 4/5 are not reliable for the trigger

other people have had issues with them as well

@dense basin (sorry for ping)

[dense basin]

No worries, I have tried keyboard keys too, no cigar

[dense basin]

Did I miss install something? because non of the other keys are working

[knotty sapphire]

Hmm, this for inside a game?

I just made the following macro, and I can see the R and B keys being pressed

[dense basin]

It is

[knotty sapphire]

Which game? Some games seem to handle the input differently, making it not work

[dense basin]

Ah ok, yeah its working just not in game

[knotty sapphire]

For example, someone previously made some macros for Destiny 2, so it works in that game but there have been other people saying their macros dont work in game for other games

I'm not too familiar with how the backend handles the inputs, but in the case the game is just eating them or ignoring them, I'm not sure what we can do 😦

[deep topaz]

ah ok, ty^^

[white girder]

These types of macros are easily detected/disabled by game devs there is a flag on windows that is saying “this input is not real” LLMHF_INJECTED

You can evade this but that will be considered hacking. The only way I can see for this to work is wooting adding hardware macros support (as if the input came from wooting) just like DKS feature works but expanded that would allow more customization. That would only work on wooting keyboards but seems fair to me more reasons for people to buy it

[delicate iron]

quick question how can I save this

doesn't seem to save the pause play skip keybindings still uses arrow keys

[west raven]

hello, it is possible for macros to only activate when a key is pressed down. For instance, if I want a macro to spam E when E is held down?

[west raven]

anyone?

[knotty sapphire]

Currently not possible, planned feature alongside toggle type macros, they do not have an ETA

[west raven]

thanks a lot

[knotty sapphire]

There should be a save button at the top right of wootilty.

Also, this channel is for Wootomation, if you're likely to get a faster answer if you post wootilty related stuff in #💬│general or #archived_wooting_60he

[swift anvil]

hello, i am trying to get a macro working for apex legends and was wondering if anyone knew why it is not working

[waxen dagger]

Wootomation likely doesn't work in games with Easy Anti-Cheat enabled (anti macros)

[swift anvil]

ripppppppppppp

[lilac sand]

Not sure if u can leave suggestions here, but either way, here we go.
A suggestion I have for Wootomation is that you can edit the buttons u add into the sequence to repeat itself rather than add it multiple times.
For example, lets say u wanna left click 3 times, instead of pressing it 3 times, u can edit it in there to make it so it activates 2 extra times. Not the biggest thing, nor am I sure how many would actually use it, but thought I would mention it since I end up with multiple of same keystroke in a row at times. 👍

[pure salmon]

yeah we had little testing on that, the backend we use should work with wayland to some extent

does it not work with some extra permissions enabled? i know wayland tracks those sort of like macos

accessibility, screen recording and maybe some other ones

i imagine those would give it the information about hotkeys it needs

[knotty sapphire]

Yep, suggestions are welcome here. Others have talked about this as well 👍 can't say if/when it would be implemented though

[pure salmon]

i think those that I named should be required by the packages we use

oh i thought stuff on GNOME/KDE is like macos these days

hmmmmmm

oh like that

nono i meant wayland compositor

smth like this

i may take a look into this a bit later

wayland has its own permissions system

sort of like macos

makes some apps impossible to work

well there is only one file

and its the wootomation executable file or wooting-macros

not sure about the name rn but its just one file statically linked

i hate dynamic linking

For Linux, download the AppImage or .deb and install the application. You might also need to add yourself to the input group.

try the input group but you should be a part of that

Note: on some distros, the group name for evdev access is called plugdev, and on some systems, both groups can exist. When in doubt, add your user to both groups if they exist.

[lucid harbor]

You're still on Linux tino?

[sharp coral]

Question...Can I have a macro that allows me to dynamically copy text and then paste type it in a terminal? Think like a rotating admin password that is very random...and paste in a UAC prompt where typical copy/paste is not allowed.

[lilac sand]

Trying to make a macro that repeat a certain action with the toggle, but it just ends up spamming it rather than have the delay I add. Is there something I might have missed here or does it just not work?
I also tested without the before and after delay, but that still gave that it just spammed it.

[inner bough]

I might add it works fine if you do not have toggle on your keyboard on, but then it isnt a repeating macro.

[steel holly]

my macro is not triggering if im pressing other keys at the same time, any fix?

so like when i hold w, i couldnt trigger my macro, and i have to let go of all the key b4 triggering the macro

[inner bough]

yeah that is a problem with the way they trigger macros, since it's based on keybinding rather than appoint a macro to the key and replace that key function, it makes you can not hold other keys down, and it also register the key's function in said game.

[remote shoal]

How do I use the sarcasm text preset?

[pure salmon]

just select the text you want sarcastify in windows and press the button 😄

[remote shoal]

it no do

Is it only for Wooting boards? I saw people saying it works on any board

[pure salmon]

it works on any board

but works by copying the text then transmuting it and then pasting

there is no real straightforward way of doing it otherwise 😄

[remote shoal]

TIL Alt + Shift + S opens Notepad settings

I followed the video, and it no do

it brings up these letters for some reason

when I hit the macro shortcut

[frank crystal]

Hello, i have been using wootomation for about a week and its been working great. Until today when i tried to open it said not responding. I task managed it ,restarted pc and it is still not working. now i do not know what to do.

[pure salmon]

any possibility that webview was incorrectly updated?

https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/webview2/

try to see if you can fix it using the installer

[frank crystal]

i know that the problem is i tried to delete microsoft edge and deleted some important things. i re downloaded web view 2 and edge and they did not work

[pure salmon]

well yeah

you shouldnt do that

did you use an external tool to delete edge? i dont think you are allowed to in windows

[frank crystal]

yea

it says that microsoft edge web view 2 is already on my system @pure salmon

[pure salmon]

uff

well

great

can you install edge somehow back?

or maybe windows update will fix it when checking for updates

[frank crystal]

i installed edge back it still dosnt work

[pure salmon]

amazing

well

what was the tool you used?

to remove edge and stuff

[frank crystal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol1REx_R3Og&ab_channel=Britec09

@pure salmon

it was a cmd download

[pure salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/loaf-of-cat-gif-22190070

it doesnt even uninstall it it just force deletes it

try finding it here and clicking the 3 dots and then modify

it should allow yout o repair it

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/edge/download?form=MA13FJ&exp=e519

or here to reinstall it

@frank crystal

[frank crystal]

i did that and it still dosnt work

[pure salmon]

then another way would perhaps be creating a different user profile in windows to see if it works

[frank crystal]

if i went from windows 10 to 11 would that do anything?

[pure salmon]

technically it would migrate and maybe regenerate the user profiles

or rather migrate the data in such a way to not delete edge again

plus win 11 is better anyway for games and such 😛

but yeah this leans more towards windows tech support than macro app support xD

[frank crystal]

is there a way i could access the files of my marcos @pure salmon

i was going to delete and re download and i dont wanna lose my marcos

[pure salmon]

it should be in %appdata% and wooting-macros or wootomation directory

its a .json file

[frank crystal]

its the data_json.json right

[pure salmon]

yes it should be

copy both just in case

[frank crystal]

ty very much for your time and help.

[pure salmon]

no problem 😄

[stable fox]

Are there any intentions to support Wayland based linux environments with Wootomation in the future? It accepts inputs for preparing the macros but doesn't execute them unless on an X based DE.

[pure salmon]

ideal intentions? yes. but there may be some obstacles or even outright blocking of wayland from us ever being to achieve this

[half swan]

In the future, the global shortcuts portal could be abused for this. For now you'd have to open and grab the desired evdev input devices, then create uinput devices that either pass through the events from the grabbed devices (if no macro triggered) or do the macros

Prior art: keyd, kmonad

[pure salmon]

yeah thats a solution we looked into as well

[spring tide]

Any way to use remapping section to open apps of coding? Or just what's pre defined in the option list given?

[knotty sapphire]

not sure what that means, are you perhaps talking about Wootility?

[shy lotus]

if youre talking about wootikity then no its not controlled by us what opens. the keys are defined in a standard and open the default apps applicable to browser, email etc

[spring tide]

Didn't realize it was a different channel. I just saw the wootility one was just update post and thought this was the chat. Sorry about that. Thanks for the reply though!

[knotty sapphire]

If you do want to use your keyboard to open apps, Wootomation can do that

e.g. add unused keys like F13-24 in Wootility to your board, and then create a macro in Wootomation that uses F13 to open something like visual studio code

[spring tide]

O really. Is that a different app or part of the wootility app?

[shy lotus]

the wootomation is a different app we made as we dont like our wootility to run constantly. wootomation is designed to take minimal resources from your cpu and memory.

[icy mauve]

If you change the key back to update edge and then run a sfc/scannow edge might fix. Could also try installing in the Microsoft store.

[icy mauve]

8/4/23?!

Wait nvm is that EU? Day/Month?

[lucid harbor]

Yes

[pure salmon]

yes the normal way of counting dates xD

[icy mauve]

It’s more logical so can’t argue that

[visual girder]

I remember hearing of issues with tachyon mode where the actuation point wouldn't be 100% accurate to reach that 1ms latency, anybody know if that's still a problem or has that been fixed?

[knotty sapphire]

Wrong channel, might want to try asking in #archived_wooting_60he or #💬│general

(Sorry I don't know the answer 😔 )

[visual girder]

halp me

ut wont work

[knotty sapphire]

What exactly isn't working?

[visual girder]

it wont do anytrhing

[visual girder]

@knotty sapphire

[knotty sapphire]

Can you post a screenshot of a macro you made? Include the trigger key as well

[knotty sapphire]

Aha, the problem is likely that at the moment, using Mouse4/5 as the trigger is a bit hit or miss.

I can't really talk on why/if it will be fixed, but can you try using something else for the trigger? Perhaps try F13 if you have that on your board

Oh, but also if this is for a game, there is a good chance that it won't work due to how the game handles input

I'm not that knowledgeable about this though

Also, I would caution against leaving a key down action without a corresponding key up action, I think that could cause problems but David would know more

[visual girder]

rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrmryrrryrrrr rrsrturfrrf rirrs broken

wrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrwhatwwww wth wwwwwwwwwwwwthwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwekll

got it

[knotty sapphire]

Task kill the app

[visual girder]

i need the key to be held down as

it wont hold the button

right?

[knotty sapphire]

Uh, sorry I don't follow. Which key?

The mouse button?

[visual girder]

so for the game im playing

the key needs to be held down to wheelie

how would i do that?

[knotty sapphire]

Hmm, if it's just an issue of the T key being too hard to reach, is it not possible to just rebind keys so that you don't have to press T in that game?

[visual girder]

its a roblox game

maybe i could use wooting key rebind?

i have the twohe soo

[knotty sapphire]

You could make a profile for it yeah

[visual girder]

ok

[knotty sapphire]

I think that would be better than making a macro, since right now Wootomation does not have "repeat" or "loop" type macros, which is what you'd want for your case

[visual girder]

can you hop in a call

im new to remapping n stuff

how do i do that

[knotty sapphire]

Not atm, since I'm just waiting outside rn lol

So in Wootilty, (not Wootomation) you can make a new profile for your board

and then remap keys, e.g. put T in Z's place or something

Whatever is more comfortable

[visual girder]

remap is blank

[knotty sapphire]

[visual girder]

nvm

[knotty sapphire]

I gotta go now, but try asking in #💬│general if you need more help

[dry pumice]

day 1 of asking the wootamation team to implement mouse movement in macros

[dry pumice]

day 2 of asking the wootamation team to implement mouse movement in macros

[pure salmon]

once i finish my final thesis i may look into it

[shy lotus]

so a few hundred days more of asking

[pure salmon]

nah its like a week xD

[heady pollen]

What keys do you guys usually use for custom fn assignments to make wootomation trigger?

Since it can’t detect raw presses on the keyboard I guess I must map to some key that I then trigger on in wootomation.

[inner bough]

FN F13+

[knotty sapphire]

[dry pumice]

i appreciate the response so much. I'm in love with wooting so far, i want to remind you that people like YOU is what make it amazing and why I chose to spend this money. i hope you screenshot this and send it to your supervisor wink wink. anyways I trust that you'll work on it, i'll just keep this trend until the day its implemented

and with that...

day 3 of asking the wootamation team to implement mouse movement in macros

[pure salmon]

well a week is when i finish my thesis

i dont really know how long that would take as we are doing some other features

[fresh geode]

Really wish there was a way to import epkl extend layers into wootility

Or will that just have to be manual?

[dry pumice]

no worries, you can take as much time as you would like. I think you did say it shouldn't take long as most of the works done. anyways good luck your thesis, I hope everything goes well.

[pure salmon]

one thing i experimented with and didn't quite finish was importing macros from Razer Synapse

[inner bough]

Is it possible To enable repeating macros? something that you have in example Razer synapse.

[pure salmon]

not yet

[fresh geode]

Yeah unfortunately ekpl would require input as raw key presses etc, i tried to noodle out some stuff with the layers in wootility, but some of the things i wanted to add required a remap of a key into a macro

sorry about ping oops

[south marsh]

Is it normal for Wootomation to bug out and stop working or producing any result through the keyboard?

[pure salmon]

there is a bug that can cause this but i have yet to identify why

maybe a stuck key?

that could technically invalidate trigger matching

try repressing a key that could be stuck

[south marsh]

It's odd because no macros work once it happens. I create new simple ones but nothing comes from the app even after restarting the app.

[pure salmon]

i wanted to implement a fix that would basically release all macro pressed keys when its done to eliminate this

but this could just cause you basically unpressing a key when not wanted

[pure salmon]

yeah beacuse no matching works

macro S = action != S+SCROLL_LOCK_STUCK = action

[south marsh]

ah

[pure salmon]

it sees 2 keys pressed and does exact matching

relaxed matching fixes this and is implemented but not out yet

[south marsh]

I've been trying to create a simple use for F13 to deliver a paste text function to have ñ which works but for some reason just stops working randomly

[pure salmon]

alt keys are retarded on windows is the short story

[south marsh]

hahah

[pure salmon]

if you use ALT+combo

[south marsh]

I'll give it a try yeh maybe Alt Gr+n

but not sure how to reset Wootomation to work again

It's in it's I don't want to do anything phase 😄

[pure salmon]

restart it

[south marsh]

I have done yeh

[pure salmon]

or just repress a possibly stuck key

oh

[south marsh]

I think only restarting my PC works

[pure salmon]

so then its not really wootomation* issue

the key is pressed at a windows level

*sort of is because wootomation pressed it

you have to try to unpress a key

i need to make a dev button to release all keys

[south marsh]

ah cool idea yeh

It thinks I've recorded backslash when I press shift+tilde. And it doesn't even register an input when I input the actual backslash key.

Doin some really odd stuff haha

If I figure out what's causing the weird mode I'll say here, might be putting my PC to sleep or hibernate and coming back to it that way that's disjointing something.

[pure salmon]

yeahh hmm

yeah inputting stuff to the OS is sometimes

[pure salmon]

hmm

[forest kayak]

Been out of the loop, is there a macOS build?

[shy lotus]

no

there may never be one due to well macos being sort of a pain to develop for

[pure salmon]

in the meantime i recommend trying out the shortcuts app

but i'll see what I can do when i have a bit more time on my hands with the macOS build

ofc if you wanna help out or know someone who would want to, the code is opensource ^_^

[forest kayak]

Can you provide the GitHub link?

[pure salmon]

https://github.com/WootingKb/wooting-macros

[forest kayak]

What needs to be done for the macOS build, Is it functional?

[shy lotus]

background service and frontend gui need to interact iirc

[pure salmon]

using gRPC correct

its .. well if it was functional it would be released 😄

[knotty sapphire]

It should just be making all the backend functions work for mac right? The front-end shouldn't be affected by the os unless I forgot something

[pure salmon]

backend functions work on mac but the src-tauri needs to be part of the frontend process thread and the backend process thread matcher needs to be the one requesting permissions

its complicated, macos is retarded

[knotty sapphire]

😔

[outer tree]

guys im having issues with taychon and rapid trigger being turn on together

i cant seem to jiggle smoothly

[foggy monolith]

I have unmapped one of my keys because i have no use for it and wanted to remap it with a macro to type a emoticon when i press it but when i try to map it in Wootimation nothing happens?

it doesnt even register that i pressed the key

when its on record

[knotty sapphire]

Uh, just to clarify, you unmapped the key on Wootilty and then tried to use it as the trigger in Wootomation?

[knotty sapphire]

Might be better to ask this in #💬│general or #archived_wooting_60he , sorry I don't know about this

[foggy monolith]

yeah

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1101152031588233336/1101152031932162119/wootility-lekker_gRHJs2.png

[knotty sapphire]

So, unmapping that key means that no input is going to come from that key, which is why wootomation can't pick it up

[foggy monolith]

so what can i do?

[knotty sapphire]

I'd say just put F13 there and use F13 as a trigger key to paste an emoji (F13-F24 will be fine)

like this

[foggy monolith]

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[foggy monolith]

nice!
thx it worked

didnt even know that F13-F24 exists
really nice

oh now i have a problem tho

[knotty sapphire]

Haha me neither, but they aren't used for anything typically so they are good for macros

[foggy monolith]

when wootomation is running it breaks my keyboard us-international layout for some reason

[knotty sapphire]

Not really sure what that means, can you elaborate?

[foggy monolith]

i cant type ä, ö and ü anymore

makes always á ó ú instead

[knotty sapphire]

I don't use international layout, what do you have to press to get those symbols?

[foggy monolith]

ah wait i can explain better

'

this key i cant shift it anymore

when i hold shift it still types '

instead of "

only can type " when i end wootomation

[knotty sapphire]

Interesting, that shouldn't be happening since my shift is correctly working

You only have one macro right?

[knotty sapphire]

Does the issue still persist when wootomation is closed and/or after restarting it?

[foggy monolith]

if u use the us-international layout does it then still work?

[foggy monolith]

it works again when i end the process

but when i run it then not anymore

[knotty sapphire]

@pure salmon you have any ideas about this?

[foggy monolith]

..>>//??..///{[}]<,_-|{;:'

lol its funny every key works except holding shift when '

[knotty sapphire]

Does this problem also happen on non-international layout for you?

[foggy monolith]

lemme try
only have this layout installed

[shy lotus]

i thought us international doesnt print shift+' because it waits for another letter to place accents

[knotty sapphire]

idk how international works so maybe 🤷‍♂️

[foggy monolith]

' "

looks like with normal US layout it works

[foggy monolith]

if u press space then it gets printed

[shy lotus]

ya so thats how it should be

[foggy monolith]

but even if not i cant even print the letter with " then

becomes then á

like i didnt press shift

[shy lotus]

thats a different accent though

[foggy monolith]

its á if u dont hold shift and ä if u do

i guess this must be a bug within wootomation which only appears with us-international layout
dont understand tho how it is related

[shy lotus]

probably related to the IME

[foggy monolith]

i guess till i can use wootomation i have then to wait till its fixed

where do i have to report this?

[knotty sapphire]

Hmm, not sure since this I don't know if this is purely a wootomation problem or the language IME 🤔 or both

[shy lotus]

prob both not working together nicely

[pure salmon]

i hate keyboard handling in operating systems

imma look into the library thats picking stuff up but

hm

i think its a unicode thing

[keen flint]

Not sure if already mentioned, but an auto delay between X ms and X ms and a toggle macro on/off would be ✅

[knotty sapphire]

Can you elaborate on "auto delay between X ms and X ms"?

[keen flint]

A delay block with a random delay between two set time parameters.

(Random value between 100 - 200 ms) for example.

[rose frigate]

Is there a way to make the macro toggle? so I dont have to hold it down for it to do its thing

[plush bluff]

hey guys, im trying to implement a DKS that is only initialized when tab and ctrl are pressed together but not otherwise

is there any way you guys can think of doing this?

[pure salmon]

in the macro app?

[knotty sapphire]

Not atm, but Toggle type macros and On Hold type macros are on the list, no ETA though

[plush bluff]

in the lekker application

[pure salmon]

uhm i think you got the wrong channel 😄

[plush bluff]

ahh man, i asked in the general chat where the best place to go for this stuff is and they said this hahaha

[rose frigate]

okay. thank you!

[plush bluff]

wait so, if this is the wrong channel, which is the right channel

[pure salmon]

well this is for the macro app only

[plush bluff]

is there a channel dedicated towards help towards stuff like DKS and advanced key stuff?

[pure salmon]

hmm honestly no idea 😄

[heady pollen]

Probably #📰│wootility_updates ?

[dusk swift]

does wootamation work in apex?

it does not for me

idk

the macro works in in game chat but does not do anything with my movement inputs

[vague musk]

hi I have downloaded WOOTOMATION and tried to do an auto clicker (to manage loots easier in path of exile) but I am too dumb I guess

I try to make my "Right-Shift" spamming "Left Mouse Click" while pressing it, is it possible to do ? (so I can right ctrl + right shift to simulate ctrl click)

Thank you very much for your help, have a good day

[knotty sapphire]

That might be a bit hard to do right now

Wootomation currently doesn't have "toggle" type macros

It's on the list but no eta

Of course, you could just make a macro where pressing right shift sends left clicks, but you'd have to press right shift often which is probably not what you want from an auto clicker

[vague musk]

okey thank you I am not dumb 👍

[visual girder]

<@&490097707487330305>

above

[proud geyser]

Done

[atomic pecan]

how to i fix this ? anyone knows ?

[pure salmon]

click the button find devices and then connect to the keyboard via the dialog that pops out

[atomic pecan]

it doesn't let me for some reason

the pop up just re opens

I am using firefox as a browser right now. Before i had microsoft edge and wootility just worked fine

[pure salmon]

firefox is not supported

only chromium browsers are (chrome, opera, vivaldi, edge)

[atomic pecan]

oh

okay. That makes sense now then. Ty. Will download the desktop version then

[pure salmon]

^_^

[knotty sapphire]

should rename this place to wootility and wootomation help lol

[heady pollen]

What’s wrong with #📰│wootility_updates ?

[knotty sapphire]

that channel seems to be more of an announcements type channel, not really a place where people can talk about wootility

at least to me anyways, since you can only message in the threads about new updates

people seem to end up here to post their questions about wootility lol

[heady pollen]

Yeah that’s true.

[opal harness]

ok so look right i got this other macro and when i clicked the key Q wich i set it for togle it didnt work on here when i click the key Q again it also doesnt work why not?

what am i doing wrong

[crude berry]

@pure salmon

Do you see anything wrong ? with the guy above^

[knotty sapphire]

Are you trying to use this in a game?

[opal harness]

yes

[pure salmon]

try focusing other windows, focusing the wootomation app disables macro invocation

[knotty sapphire]

It's probably the game

[pure salmon]

oh

well if you are using it in a game the input grabbing may bypass windows' upper layers so to speak and go directly to device

and or anticheat can protect the input

[opal harness]

its roblox :/ and also i can use "razers synapse thing" basically i can use razer application to make macros and put them on my mosue and they work in there so why should wooting also not work i would greatly like for wooting to work since i dont want to use this mouse but i have to macro for the game im playing

[pure salmon]

its a thing i wanna take a look at, razer probs does it in a different than us, which is a side effect of the multiplatform handling we have

[opal harness]

alright very well then js if u remember me ping me but i think yal will ping for update on this but js lmk if u fix it or make it better in a sense

[pure salmon]

yeah eventually i'll get to it, theres multiple things we are gathering feedback on to make the architecture better

[heady pollen]

What’s your input method? SendInput? keybd_event?

[pure salmon]

backend is written in rust and it uses an abstraction library that interacts with various OS's input methods

for example the windows crate on Windows i think

[heady pollen]

Looking at the package json now. Which library is it?

Wait that was the frontend stuff only

[pure salmon]

rdev

in cargo toml

[heady pollen]

Yup found it. It’s using SendInput but does not bother sending scancodes

[pure salmon]

we also have some issues with the alt keys and distinguishing between KP_enter and enter, since the library does not capture proper distinguisher bytes

if you have any tips on how to approach or enhance the code, doesnt have to be rust, just anything design wise, hit me up anytime

i'll definitely make notes and approach it with those notes in mind in the future

[heady pollen]

Well on windows, in order of abstraction, you can send a keycode (virtual key), a keycode with scancode or you can flag it as only scancode

And the simulate function in rdev seems to always set the scancode as 0 even though the underlying method takes a scancode parameter. I don’t know rust so I’m just applying my general programming experience to parse it.

[pure salmon]

we noticed that the library is dropping some data

oh yeah you dont need to know any rust

if you want you can open a github issue and we can take it from there

i can take care of the rust part 😄

[dry pumice]

day 4 of asking the wootamation team to implement mouse movement in macros

and yes i counted the days since my last message

[shy lotus]

thats not how it works

you can only count days you actually asked

otherwise its not the 16th day of asking

[lucid harbor]

@dry pumice don't expect it for a little, that's just the truth and how it will be.

So just wait it out.

[dry pumice]

ok i updated my message to the 4th day

would my constant persistence, sheer determination albeit small annoyance help it push it out just that bit faster?

[coral laurel]

As admirable as it is, it will have no impact on the timeline for development.

[visual girder]

why does the macro work only somtimes?

i pressed it twice and it worked and then it stopped working

[solemn marten]

Anyone used combo macros in black desert by any chance?

[median sinew]

Black desert has the bad habit of blocking macro software, I tried wootomation last night and it didn't seem to work either (Brand specific softwares like corsair icue and logitech ghub work however, I wonder if there'd be a way to let wootomation work as well)

[celest nimbus]

Guys, does Wootomation now support the macro repeat while holding the trigger key?

nvm I searched the old messages and I found out that this "loop" function has not been added yet. Wish it comes out sooner 😄

[glass sphinx]

So I was setting a macro for my E key where the trigger key is 4, and it's not working whatsoever I also just installed it

[knotty sapphire]

A couple questions:

1. So you want E to be outputted when you press 4?
2. Are you using this in a game?

[glass sphinx]

Yes im using it in a game @knotty sapphire

and yes correct on both questions

[knotty sapphire]

In that case, it is likely the game that is intercepting the input and not registering it

@zinc flower would know how to explain it better

Which game?

[glass sphinx]

Its a Roblox game

[pure salmon]

might be due to anticheat limitations

but the backend of the key presses is gonna be looked at, there are some known issues

[snow anchor]

My trigger key does not work... how do i get this working

i tested a few programs and even keyboard tester on chrome shows that macro is not working 😭

[knotty sapphire]

can you post a screenshot of your macro or say what you are using as a trigger key?

[snow anchor]

ctrl + shift + upper arrow

both left for ctrl and shift

[knotty sapphire]

Have you tried using a different key, such as F13 to test if it's just that combination not working?

[knotty sapphire]

was ctrl + shift one of those keypress issues? cant remember

[snow anchor]

wait lemme try other combination then

i think all of my trigger was ctrl + shift + somethign

nah it seems to be not the problem of combination

trigger just does not work

tried running as an admin but still the same

[knotty sapphire]

can you screenshot your macro

[snow anchor]

wait

it just started working since i fully close the program using task manager

it just didnt work a few times when it was on startup

[knotty sapphire]

interesting

[snow anchor]

hm

okay it still does not work if i have ctrl + shift on the trigger

but it works when its other comb

[knotty sapphire]

if using another combination isn't a bother, do that for now

gotta wait and see if david has a response for this, but I wouldn't expect an eta for a fix

[snow anchor]

alright im fine with it for now

thank you so much

appreciate your help 🙂

[pure salmon]

yeah seems about right

[glass sphinx]

But the key doesnt even work as a normal macro

[pure salmon]

the ctrl+shift combo is a different issue that i think we have a fix for but we did not push it because it changes the behavior a bit

[glass sphinx]

oh it works now

all good

[frigid kiln]

will wootomation ever be built into the wooting he, so that the keyboard will work across pcs

[pure salmon]

the goal of wootomation is to be crossplatform and there are ideas about making the switching between them easier

however there is also a heavy feature request push for some hardware macro functionality of some kind and we are looking into options how to make it happen if it will be valuable to our users

[frigid kiln]

sooooo not any time soon

[pure salmon]

both portions will take some time to implement, yes

[autumn inlet]

Just copy Logitech, onboard memory broski

CTRL + C - CTRL + V = done

[rancid wyvern]

+1 to the heavy push

[hollow elk]

Is there a place where ppl share their Wootility profiles?

[pure salmon]

not yet but that is a good suggestion

i'll note it down

[hollow elk]

oh ok, I just found this https://profiles.wooting.io/

[knotty sapphire]

wootility is different from wootomation 😅

[visual girder]

bro forgot about wootabase 💀

[pure salmon]

well yes, but that doesnt work with wootomation

[visual girder]

when is is the macro for mac coming out?

[pure salmon]

the architecture of the app needs to be redone

so a longer time

[visual girder]

alr

sound good because last time i asked was like 5 months ago i think

[pure salmon]

yeah but rn im still part time + uni finals happening 😄

and also there are other projects going on rn, but this needs to be solved in general because the mac thing is not just the wootomation area its affecting

[uneven linden]

!download

[hoary flint]

Just downloaded wootomation, never used it before and it just crashes on startup. Any idea why?

[pure salmon]

did you by any chance use a "tool" to remove any windows components?

especially webview

[hoary flint]

I didn't use a tool to remove windows components but i indeed have a trimmed windows install

Do i need webview in order to launch the app? If anything i can download the specific component

[pure salmon]

yes

[pure salmon]

https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/webview2/

its preinstalled on everything from win10+ but well

[hoary flint]

👍 thanks!

[dry pumice]

h o w c a n i a d d u i n l i m i t e d

m y w o o t i n g i s m e e e s s e d u p

h o w c a n i s t o p t h i s

m y s p a c ce k e y

i s b r o k e n

w o o t a n a m t i o n p l e a s e h e l p

ok i fixed it

i am trying to configure in wootamation, a way that i can hold down space, and it will keep pressing the space key every 20ms

is this possible with this software?

[pure salmon]

not yet but it will be in the future

its planned

[dry pumice]

👍

[candid lantern]

just downloaded it. my macros work but only when bound to keys

the software recognizes my side mouse button inputs but wont respond to them once the macro is made.

it is a g pro wireless superlight with onboard memory enabled

[knotty sapphire]

The implementation for mouse buttons is a bit hit or miss (afaik), David would know more

[pure salmon]

they cant be grabbed properly i think

[heady pollen]

Hooks only work on messages and if your app doesn’t have a message loop then you would have to have a busy loop with getasynckeystate or a mouse filter driver. Anticheats hate the latter and the former isn’t practical.

[shy lotus]

well it needs to be cross os and we dont really care what games think. the tool isnt meant to be used with games and we do warn about usage of it with games

[heady pollen]

Fair. I have little knowledge of mouse click detection on osx or linux unfortunately.

[pure salmon]

oh boy macos i dont even wanna

[candid lantern]

So there isnt a chance I get my g pro side buttons to work? i learned lua to code custom macros in g hub and they still suck

also curious about loop macros (not like the one that slowly repeats after a second of holding)

[pure salmon]

i'l take a look at it later, loop macros are on the way

[visual girder]

HOW TF DO I ADD TILDE TO MY KB

[shy lotus]

you got your answer in the other channel. all caps wont help you either

[visual girder]

lmao

so shift esc

is the best we can do huh

[worthy rune]

So on my keyboard right now, i can double tap fn and it would effectively toggle so i dont need to hold it down, thatway i can use arrow keys and what not without having to hold down the fn key. Can I do that with the wooting 60he?

[heady pollen]

My answer isn’t really wootomation at all but did you check out mod tap?

[peak swan]

I'm trying to create a macro for when i press left alt + 1 it inputs shift + f1 instead but I'm having trouble

[knotty sapphire]

I think there was an issue with using alt as a trigger key, a fix was mentioned but no eta afaik

[flint mirage]

is there a way to add macros to fn layers on a wooting keyboard?

I want to add the macro alt+f10 in an fn layer

[knotty sapphire]

Could you walk me through this again?

What does this macro do? You press one button to output alt+f10?

[flint mirage]

that is what i would like yes

but the button i press I want to be inside an fn layer

[knotty sapphire]

I see. My suggestion is to have something like F13 or any other unused key in your Fn layer, and then use that key as a "trigger key" for a macro that you can make using Wootomation or another macro software of your choice

But one issue you may encounter, at least with Wootomation, is if you are planning to use this macro in a game, it may not work due to the game blocking the program

You could also try to use DKS (an advanced key) to accomplish this, however I'm not as knowledgeable about it

Perhaps something like this, it seems to output alt+f10 (may not show up in wootility, but seems to in another keyboard input tester)

[flint mirage]

oh i see

the f13 call is a good one I'll do that

[knotty sapphire]

Try using DKS first, since you don't need to install new software

[flint mirage]

i'm going to try it out

[knotty sapphire]

Let me know how it goes, hopefully one of these methods will work haha

[flint mirage]

it worked

doing this did the trick

thx for the help!

[knotty sapphire]

No problem 🙂

[urban smelt]

If I have an US keyboard layout - will it be possible in some way to map european letters like ä, ü, ö to some keys? I can't find them anywhere in the Wootility.

[shy lotus]

u need to use a layout in windows/linux/macos that has them

so if your keyboard is set to english in windows you cant just add characters that dont normally exist on the keyboard

[urban smelt]

Dam. I can't install anything on that PC and I don't want to use the full german layout because all brackets and stuff differ.
I thought because it said it can paste emojis and stuff nowadays that should be possible.

[shy lotus]

keyboards cant send emojis

[knotty sapphire]

Wootility or Wootomation?

[shy lotus]

the only thing you could try is work arounds like a macro program or alt codes in dks

also this channel is for the macro tool wootomation not the wootility 😛

[urban smelt]

yah I didn't have posting rights in the wootility channel smh and anyways didn't quite know which one.
But Wootamation only works on the PC it is installed on, right?

[shy lotus]

yes if you need a universal solution try dks and alt codes

only works on windows though

[urban smelt]

what does dks stand for?

[shy lotus]

dynamic keystroke its an advanced key in wootility

it would replace a key on your keyboard but gives u up to 4keystrokes at any of the 4 depths of press

alternatively just replace äöü with alternative spellings that are grammatically correct for the language like ae oe ue

[urban smelt]

hmmm, that might work with the dks functions, those numpad codes have 4 numbers. In remap, the numbers that have only numbers on them should have the function as numpad keys, right? cause theres also numbered keys like "1!" which would be the normal numbers.

Heh, I've been writing like "ae" for a while now but smh my teamlead noticed and said this looks unprofessional and I have to fix it. and by now I'm so used to the US layout that I don't wanna go back (and buy all new keycaps too).

[shy lotus]

if the code has a leading zero you can leave it out

[cosmic swift]

so do macros only work if it is the only button being pressed on the keyboard? it appears as such when i try to set mine up and its confusing me. I'm trying to use some macros to skate on d2 and if im already moving then ill go faster, but they only work when im not moving (aka, nothing else is being pressed on the kb except the macro trigger)

like if i have 2 as a macro trigger, and im holding down w to move forward for some momentum, then pressing 2 doesnt do anything

Please do be aware that this application does grab and analyze keystrokes. While you are able to disable this temporarily using an appropriate function, you should still not have this application running alongside games (use at your own risk!). Macros (depending on how you configure them) are considered cheating.

oh okay, so i just found this in the github about not running alongside games and i guess wootomation wasnt really intended for macros in games

[knotty sapphire]

Hmm, I swear someone did make a macro for destiny2 for well skating, not sure if this is what you are referring to

#💻│wootomation message

[knotty sapphire]

However, yes this is correct that the main intention is not to be used for games, although that is mostly for competitive games

[cosmic swift]

yea thats actually it lol

yup, so my macros work the same in that video while stationary like he is, but if i do them while running (which would make me go faster) then the macro doesnt activate

that makes sense tho that the main intention wasn't gaming, imma go try and learn how to use AutoHotKey lol

[knotty sapphire]

Hmm, I think David had a patch planned that adds a setting that is basically: "trigger key(s) does not need to be the only keys pressed to activate the macro"

I don't know the eta on that though, and there are some other things to focus on first for our boards

[cosmic swift]

ah okay, thanks for that, i was worried there was something i was missing but glad its on the radar for later

[knotty sapphire]

No problem, good luck with AHK for this particular case

[livid coral]

How can i use wootomation to make a looping macro (basically want two key to just be held down when i press Alt-A)? And i want to press Alt-A second time to disable it

[knotty sapphire]

At the moment, we do not have "looping" type macros. It is on the radar, but no eta

If your use case is simple, perhaps look into seeing if Toggle Key (an advanced key) in Wootilty will work for you

https://youtu.be/30QC-9LlYb0

Can you provide more info, such as a screenshot of the macro and what it does/is being used for?

[livid coral]

yeah, i already did that... used toggle key on two keys. hoped i could bind two keys being held to just one but its fine

[knotty sapphire]

Hmm, can you test putting F20 on the first fn layer?

Also, not sure if you've already changed this but the G should be either a Full Press, or add another G at the end that is a Key Up

Is this being used to paste text?

In that case, try using the Paste Text system action instead

One sec

This action

Does it work in cs as well?

I personally haven't tried using it inside a game, only for stuff like discord or twitch

Pain

A possible issue is that the game is intercepting the input before our software can capture it.

I'm not really that knowledgeable in this area though, so I'm likely wrong

[pure salmon]

could be

or there are some stuck keys present that didnt get released properly

can happen especially with ALT keys and such

[knotty sapphire]

Hmm, I have gotten the paste text action to work in csgo, but it is not consistent

[shy lotus]

why dont you use csgos internally binding mechanic to bind a send message

bind "F14" "say Test text" or bind "F14" "sayTeam Rush B cyka blyat"

like csgo (and any source game for the matter) have good tools for simple static text macros

[shy lotus]

oh?

til

[knotty sapphire]

Yes, just like other software from other gaming peripheral companies.

Wootomation is a software implementation which has to check what keys you are pressing and triggers the macros if the right keys are pressed.

[visual girder]

I understand it's hard to give a deadline, but do we have any updates on the app rewrite or any kind of info on looping macro functions please?

[pure salmon]

i think it will be a few months

but there may be coming new features to the macro app sooner than the rewrite happens

you can always tell us which features to prioritize also

[knotty sapphire]

It's also important to note, that while the software team has grown a bit, there's a ton of stuff that we want to do, and what we're working on currently is of more benefit to a larger customer base than the portion that uses Wootomation (and in some cases to help ease our growing pains as well)

But Wootomation was a fun project to work on and I know David and I do want to keep improving it for those of you who enjoy using it 🫡

[visual girder]

Oh I know, I can understand.
Honestly it's just the looping macro functions is all 😅
I know it's asked for a lot but was just curious on any kind of deadline, I massively appreciate that the larger base has to come first and is a priority :)

[knotty sapphire]

No problem, I know how it sucks to not know if something is ever going to come, and we haven't had any updates about Wootomation for awhile

Very understandable, and I just wanted to share some insight as to why 😉

[remote pendant]

hi there, i've got a pretty simple question but didnt see if anyone else had asked it already

question: does wootomation have the ability to have separate macros for separate keyboards?

context: i am a video editor with 2 keyboards (the wooting 60He and razer huntsman) and i would like to leave my razer keyboard completely untouched by wootomation while having macros on my wooting at the same time

[shy lotus]

not as of right now

id prob solve it with lua macros for now like tomscott did

[knotty sapphire]

yeah as mentioned at the moment there is no keyboard detection, so no it won't know if you're using one over the other

You can disable macro output with a toggle but that could be an inconvenience

[shy lotus]

https://youtu.be/lIFE7h3m40U

if you want a short explanation of how tom solved the issue of a similar macro issue

[remote pendant]

ah i see, thanks for your help and hope it can be a feature in the future
also love what you guys are doing with all of your products, you guys are the best

[shy lotus]

ill add it to a david list

so he can look at it when time comes

[knotty sapphire]

poor david lol

[pure salmon]

https://github.com/WootingKb/wooting-macros/issues/155

added as a suggestion

thanks

[remote pendant]

awesome! ty

[frigid kiln]

Is it possible to have wootility on board on the wooting he?

[shy lotus]

im unsure what exactly you are asking here

[frigid kiln]

As in, will it ever be possible to plug the keyboard in any pc and have the macros work without needing to download wootomation.

[shy lotus]

thats not wootility. but maybe

the main concern we have is tournament legality so simon tried to contact organizers like esl and others to find out how we can make sure the keyboards can be brought to tournaments but also have onboard macros

our main idea is a tournament firmware that doesnt have macro support

[frigid kiln]

But every other main brand keyboard has it

[shy lotus]

yes but unlike every other brand we dont want to bet on games just letting it fly forever

just because everyone else helps you break the game rules doesnt mean we will