💻│wootomation

[earnest bridge]

Alright - Cat's out of the bag. You may speak.

[lucid harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/no-way-dude-no-oh-bugs-bunny-bugs-gif-22941840

[earnest bridge]

[pure salmon]

ayay

[sonic acorn]

[pure salmon]

@austere zinc

[earnest bridge]

I must warn you - It is Friday and I was about ½ second away from hitting ban out of habit 😛

https://tenor.com/view/definitely-maybe-isla-fisher-angry-mad-sarcastic-gif-3421640

[shy lotus]

thats too sensible for people for some reason. (the suggestion of using macro app X)

usually the reason is that logitech and razer etc they have macros included in the necessary to run config app so games cant really disallow running those

[lucid harbor]

Legit just opened the channel and PTSD kicked in for me too.

[earnest bridge]

[sonic acorn]

I also had some PTSD hit in

[half echo]

😈

@pure salmon you weren’t kidding when you said soon

[earnest bridge]

[pure salmon]

hehe

😄

[lucid kite]

Does anyone how a script for ahk

[half echo]

yea its called waiting for wootility macros

[shy lotus]

quickly write your own?

ahk isnt hard for simple macros like synapse and logitech ghub have

[lucid kite]

Idk how to do that

That’s why am asking

[shy lotus]

i mean you didnt even say for what

[lucid kite]

For Fortnite

[shy lotus]

i dont even know how macros are useful in fortnite

[lucid kite]

For like aim

[shy lotus]

so hacks

[lucid kite]

But I wanna use ahk

[rough thorn]

have you considered asking in the AHK discord if you want something with AHK?

[shy lotus]

idk if ahk discord will help with cheating/hacking

[half echo]

are u trying to make a colour aimbot?

because they’re detected so good luck LOL

[lucid kite]

I don’t even got to be color aimbot

[lucid kite]

Not on GeForce

[shy lotus]

anyway no hax or cheating discussions here

[rough thorn]

then ask on a fortnite discord or cheater discord if you want to use it for that, not sure why you're asking for AHK scripts on a keyboard server lol

[half echo]

my apologies sir

[visual girder]

What is this macro app

[earnest bridge]

The uh... the name's pretty self explanatory no?

https://tenor.com/view/wait-what-confused-um-squint-gif-13025511

[opaque coral]

Yep, it's for the new app that unifies Wootility with other keyboard/mouse company's apps hence the name "macro". It's large scale.

(To be clear, I'm kidding)

[latent ibex]

Is there a timeline for when a Macro function will be available in Wootility?

Got my Wooting 60HE on Friday, and this is the only thing I am missing. I have a cryptic password on my work computer and having a macro that "paste" the password is AWESOME 😉

[earnest bridge]

Stay tuned for news here

[latent ibex]

WOW That was fast response!!! Thanks for updating us! I love the keyboard by the way!! Never going back to Steelseries! The Wooting is 100 times better!!

[sonic acorn]

mansen has to be chronically online

[earnest bridge]

Just happened to be looking at Discord. Ultrawide monitor - I can split it in half

[wild ocean]

mansen is a good duck

[solid solar]

Only half?

Gotta split it into 200px wide slivers for max productivity

[earnest bridge]

1440PUW in half is almost a 1080 window, so it works well for me 😄

Basically two monitors in one without the bezel

[solid solar]

I'll keep my triple screen

I wish they'd give monitors more than 4 dacs so I can go back to 5

[reef trench]

A macro function would be the best news for me as well. I work from home and I use my Corsair K95 to simply paste text for my tasks, if I could do that with my Wooting 60 HE, then I can finally have a single keyboard on my desktop.

[pure salmon]

Hey everyone, we are ready to present the first release of the Wootomation - a macro app developed by @knotty sapphire and @pure salmon (me) 😄
We know this has been a long time requested feature and will have a much more in-depth talk and information available soon. For now, you can check out our repository:
https://github.com/WootingKb/wooting-macros

and the release page:
https://github.com/WootingKb/wooting-macros/releases/latest

to try out the app! We hope you'll like it and of course are ready for any questions and or requests you might have 😄

PS: You can also use the F13-F24 bindings in your Wootility to get access to keys with no pre-defined functions and make the macros run via those ^_^ We intend to implement a deeper integration with your Wooting keyboard in the future.

[reef trench]

The app wont let me paste text into remote desktop on Win 11.

[knotty sapphire]

What are you using to access the remote desktop?

[reef trench]

The default remote desktop program from win 11

Maybe its because I can't paste text in general from my desktop into the remote whatsoever.

I can only do it if the text/macro is store on HW level into the keyboard itself. That how I do it with my Corsair K95

But it does not work with simple copy paste from my pc into the remote, because of security reasons I guess.

[knotty sapphire]

That could be the case, I myself never tested that use case.

Perhaps @pure salmon can provide more insight as to whether or not there is a solution

[shy lotus]

that would mean you disabled some guest integrations (The option is usually called smth like Clipboardmode or so and if its not set correctly it wont work)

[knotty sapphire]

Does the paste action work normally in your local machine?

[reef trench]

Most likely my firm has done that for security reasons. I was only able to bypass it if the macro is stored on a hardware level on the keyboard, any chance of that happening in the future?

[reef trench]

Yes

[shy lotus]

clipboard mode should be set on the client

not the host

[pure salmon]

yeah its mostly security reasons

[pure salmon]

we tend to separate the macros from the hardware for various reasons like security and multiplatform support. So unfortunately I can't guaruantee that

however as Tony noted, you could install perhaps the macro app on the client and use it there if your usecase would make sense for that

[shy lotus]

unless you cant even install smth

which might be the case

[shy lotus]

well macros can be crossplatform to an extend... aka just using the keyboard like the user would. everything else would be platform dependant or impossible

[reef trench]

Yea. I have limited access. I will however ask help-desk if they can either 1. Allow me to install the app on my remote or 2. Remove the copy/paste limitation.

[shy lotus]

or smuggle a precompiled AHK script onto it

[reef trench]

I don't know what that is sorry, not familiar.

[pure salmon]

yes but then there are also hardware limitations - memory and the amount of things you could do

we will have a much more indepth introduction soon as well as a Q&A 👀

and we'll answer these questions in much more detail

[shy lotus]

i mean could macroapp be portable?

[reef trench]

Don't get this the wrong way, I love this keyboard, its the most advanced thing today and will be for some while. At the same time kinda frustrated that I can't have funtions that other keyboards, who are years behiind this one, like on-board storage of macros and such. I understand that there is a good reasoning behind it.

[shy lotus]

well it could

its just that the majority of the community pushed us to software macros as they want to be able to open apps, have mouse movement and what not

and developing and maintaining 2 macro solutions is not really doable atm

id personally also want hardware macros

[reef trench]

Ok what about just a simple function like copy/pasting text into the Wootility at a hardware level. Nothing else that's fancy, like delays and so on.

[shy lotus]

oh you can totally do delays in hardware

but as soon as we even hit unicode

its not doable in hardware anymore

(at least in a crossplatform manner)

[reef trench]

Lets say you limit each text paste funtion to 250 characters and 10 slots, for it to not take to much storage on the HW level.

[shy lotus]

you could store hundreds of thousands of chars actually

or well "commands" so a character, delay, key down, key up, key press

but as previously mentioned the community just wanted more than hardware can do. and as we arent a multimillion dollar company with the resources to just casually also maintain a second macro system, we went with what the community wanted

[reef trench]

I understand. Thank you all for replying to my feedback.

[shy lotus]

i really hope we can do hardware macros at some point

id love that

[knotty sapphire]

While I can't comment on hardware vs software, it is unfortunate that your use case is not covered by Wootomation. Sorry for that

If only there was no limitation on you for copy/pasting. I can paste into my remote machines through ssh with no problems. 😦

[reef trench]

Appreciate the kind words.

[waxen dagger]

Can we do releases in the same way as how we ||(planned to)|| do it in #📰│wootility_updates

Would be nice

[latent ibex]

Ah bummer 😦 I was really hoping for macros to be HW, this as I use my keyboard both for work and private. My work computer does not allow me to install any software... hence the desired macros will not work on my work computer. For me, delay and simple text/sentences would be sufficient... for programs and other really cool macros I fully understand that SW would be needed...
To some extent the HW already has macros today, but only single characters (or 4 if you use the DKS), an extension of this function to include more than one character and potential delay would do wonders 🙂
Mod tap with the possibility to have more than 1 character would go a long way 😄

[austere zinc]

One of the challenges that comes from text/sentence macros is that the keyboard isn't really able to input arbitrary characters. It just sends a key code and the computer interprets what character it should be based on the keyboard language set in the OS. Although, if that is an acceptable limitation for you then it may be worthwhile to investigate.

I am interested in adding more advanced keys for good use cases, e.g. I've got an advanced key for more hotkey input possibilities planned. So hardware macros are not necessarily ruled out, just needs a good use case and reasonable implementation possible

[shy lotus]

i mean there is the whitepaper i sent ya

[austere zinc]

Yeah, but arbitrary macros are not something I particularly want to go for right now. That use case is much better suited for the macro app with the additional capabilities it includes

[shy lotus]

[latent ibex]

For me those limitations regarding language set in OS and the keyboard only sending "codes" is not an issue. I noticed this limitation as I am Norwegian but have a US ANIS keyboard. As we have æøå letters in Scandinavia I was hoping to map those to the keyboard.... but that was not possible while keeping a US OS language 😉 I mitigated this by just having a shortcut for swapping language in the OS when needed 😉 Of course being able to map NO letters to the US ANSI keyboard while the OS language is US would be good 🙂

For me just being able to store certain words and short sentences to a Mod Tap would be sufficient... this way I do not need to type my user ID and password for the software we use 50 times during the day... My company has really strict rules, so time out from systems happens only after 3 min of idle time...

[shy lotus]

ok so thats a use we probably wont really want

cause its very unsafe

[latent ibex]

Not really 😉 you need a code generator with a personal code as well... so the user id and password is worthless without the code generator 😉

[shy lotus]

that reduces you to 1 code being all your security basically... discussions of good security practices aside im unsure if we would implement it for that as other people will do the same (and they will with the software aswell but at least losing their keyboard wont compromise their passwords)

[latent ibex]

You are absolutely right, the security is reduced 😉 What about being able to map ÆØÅ to a keyboard using an OS that is in English? I assume that might not be possible as I believe the code for one of the letters in NO is the same as the code for comma in the US...

[shy lotus]

as the codes dont change when you change your os language correct

the os just prints a different char for the same scancodes

[latent ibex]

That is what I thought 😉 However, that would be a cool function 🙂

[shy lotus]

so the 2 solutions to this are either something like AHK or other macro tool OR
making a custom OS keyboard layout that can print those chars as an alt code or smth

or well.. locking the keyboard to only be able to print those on 1 OS

[latent ibex]

But, just hitting alt+shift and changing the OS language works fine for me 😉

I also have other needs for being able to store more then one character on a mod tap, but as you pointed out... the function can/will be used for purposes that might not be as safe

[weary peak]

is there a way to bind several jump inputs to a single press of the space bar so I dont need scroll wheel?

[shy lotus]

with dks yes

[latent ibex]

I actually figured out the new Logitech G502 X Lightspeed is able to store macros with multiple characters in HW, so my need for HW macros has to some extent been reduced.

However, it is to some extent a shame that basic macros (or at least mod tap don't include more than 1 character) as that would be a really nice feature... DKS is ok, but again that is limited to 4 characters. I send a lot of standardized confirmations in my job, and now I have to cut and paste from "templates", but having them stored on the keyboard via Mod Tap would be awesome and time saving.

[forest kayak]

MacOS eta wen?

[tough swallow]

does wootomation work on regular keybaoprds or only wooting?

[austere zinc]

any keyboard

[earnest bridge]

[austere zinc]

We don't have much of an ETA just yet, but it is high up on our priorities :)

[tough swallow]

@austere zinc can I make it so when I press a key it actives and when I let go it does too?

[fickle hazel]

does this allow for macros with smooth mouse movement with adjustable speed? basically like turnbinds on csgo etc. (i’ve had turnbind auto hot keys but the cursor movement is far from smooth)

[pure salmon]

we haven't done the frontend UI for the mouse movements and one of the reasons is that we didn't quite know what the expectation was for the mouse movement macros - whether to move the mouse slowly or instantly for example. Feedback like this is something we wanted to get post launch ^_^

[chilly lion]

I assume this is VAC safe? I understand that no one really knows what will set off a VAC ban but if this works like other macro apps (and if you don’t use it in game) will this be fine to run in the background?

[rough thorn]

as vac safe as anything can be, valve wont say anything and since the hours of release nobody is banned xD thats as far as one can know

[gray ivy]

Is it possible to make a bind where you press certain key on and it activates/disamples mouse1 rapid fire when you press mouse1

[coral laurel]

We're all steam gamers and haven't had any issues with the alpha versions, but that's not something we can promise or guarantee

[chilly lion]

yeah valve is quite secretive with VAC but thanks for the answers 👍

[main pine]

Can wootomation send macros to specific applications without them being in focus?

[pure salmon]

we have OBS integration planned - and that will be sending commands to a specific application for example ^_^

[main pine]

Hype, being able to send to non-focused applications would be a big game changer for me personally

Can automate stuff while doing something else then at least, instead of leaving your pc unusable

[pure salmon]

depends on if the application has the API we can use 😄

but if it does, a plugin can be made for it 😄

[slender burrow]

Does it only work with an english keyboard ?

[rough bridge]

So far, this is awesome! But, I did encounter an issue. Shift + NP1 hasn't worked for me. I assume it's because shift makes NP1 act as End instead of NP1, but not while recording the macro, for some reason.

[shy lotus]

any keyboard should work

[slender burrow]

Alright, then I guess some combinations don't seem to activate the macro such as Alt + A for example (or maybe I'm doing it wrong I don't know)

[lilac niche]

I'd also prefer simple HW macros, as there are already other macro apps on the market such as Pulover's Macro Creator/AHK.

[sonic acorn]

can the application differentiate between different keyboards?

for example running a keyboard only used for macros

[shy lotus]

someone wants to know if they can replace lua macros

[shy lotus]

i think thats more of a windows issue i think

windows does some OS level modifiers to make shift+numpad 1 be numpad end

same it does for ctrl + alt being altgr on languages that have altgr

[violet haven]

if you want help with discord integration for a mute hotkey i can help, the API is not public though :(

[rough bridge]

Alright, I suppose that makes sense, but it isn't doing so in the macro, which is a little confusing. I'm on Windows 7, btw.

[shy lotus]

rpc is quite public https://discord.com/developers/docs/topics/rpc

[violet haven]

For now, RPC is in a private beta. We are not currently accepting any new developers into the program at this time.

you can work around this but it's more work for the user

wooting as a brand might get Discord's attention though, no idea. logitech, razer, etc have access

[shy lotus]

since setting activity works without being approved or in the list

i dont see why the voice settings would be hidden

[knotty sapphire]

The goal of Wootomation compared to the ones you mentioned is that we wanted to streamline the process and user experience, while providing a very simple (for now) and stable service.

For advanced macros, we didn't plan on replacing them with this release, but I would say, of the users who do use macros, this should* cover most of the casual use cases.

I can't speak about HW macros, but let's both hope Wooting continues getting the support they are getting, so they can look into HW macros as they expand.

This application is just dipping toes into macros. There are plenty of avenues to explore, and we definitely haven't looked at all of them, as it is currently not feasible.

[tame crane]

Doesn't work on Numpad?
(Or well Numpad Decimal)

[knotty sapphire]

Do other numpad buttons work?

[lapis monolith]

it is only for me that it work 1 time on 10?

[tame crane]

All works but Decimal

[knotty sapphire]

What kind of macro did you create?

[knotty sapphire]

Hmm, interesting. I'll test this in a bit and will raise an issue if I experience it as well

[tame crane]

The Numpad Decimal only works on the key next to question mark
The normal Fullstop

it seems to act as if it's "Numpad Decimal" is that key

[knotty sapphire]

Are you on Windows or Linux?

[tame crane]

Windows

Really cool addition though, Loving it

[knotty sapphire]

Thanks for letting us know. If you find any more issues like this keep posting them here, it's really helpful!

[tame crane]

Additionally: Numpad Enter is acting as it would normally and doesn't want to start a Macro Sequence

[violet haven]

i don't see either but i didn't make it work without having each user create its own app in the discord dev console

[wise creek]

That language overview 👀

[knotty sapphire]

I've made an issue regarding this, but if you do have a 60HE perhaps you could try to do a mod tap where tapping those keys return F13-24, and set F13-24 as the trigger keys for a macro

I dont know if that will 100% work though 😛

[tame crane]

I have Lekker, but that does seem logical. Seems like it should.

[knotty sapphire]

I don't know if lekker also uses the old wootility, but with my W2 I just put the F13-24 keys in the Fn layer for the numpad and it works

If it isn't too much of an inconvenience to press Fn, then this is probably the best workaround for now

[earnest bridge]

The HE boards use a newer version of Wootility, but in terms of keybinds they are basically identical. Flaretech boards getting a Wootility update soon™️ to have everything merge into a single app

[knotty sapphire]

Should work then, binding the F13-24 keys in any Fn layer where the numpad keys are

[lapis monolith]

osu alternating keys cheat

i mean

not for cheating

its for a tweet

[knotty sapphire]

Is the issue that the macro only activates 1/10 times (when pressing the trigger key)? Or is the issue, the sequence is not being output as expected?

[lapis monolith]

when i save the macro, 1/10 time it doesnt work

so i have to re edit the macro and save multiple times for the macro work

[knotty sapphire]

Oh, so its not saving properly. Hmm

[lapis monolith]

maybe, like i only change the delay and nothing work

[pure salmon]

Are you on Windows?

[lapis monolith]

yes

[knotty sapphire]

Can you post a screenshot of the macroview?

I will try to recreate it.

[pure salmon]

im thinking permissions issue or maybe using some activedirectory stuff

it saves to %appdata%/wooting-macros

[lapis monolith]

i experiment with the delay

[knotty sapphire]

The macro saves properly and works for me, though by the way you probably don't need the 2nd delay element.

[formal bolt]

Can the profile of the keyboard be automatically switched if a certain programm is started?

[knotty sapphire]

At this point in time, no it cannot. I can't speak on behalf of Wooting, but maybe in the future there will be something like that if the boards keep selling well.

However, something like application detection was out of scope for us with the time we had for this project.

[lapis monolith]

i thought that if the key is still spressed, it will wait the second delay element to redo

[knotty sapphire]

Ahh I think I see where the confusion is.

At this point in time there is only 1 type of macro you can create:

• Single, i.e. the sequence will play once when the trigger key is pressed

The two other types we planned but didnt have time for were:

• Repeat/Toggle, i.e. the sequence will play when the trigger key is pressed, and then continuously replay until the trigger keys are pressed again
• On Hold, i.e. the sequence will only play while the trigger keys are held down

We would like to implement these in the future.

[jagged condor]

Hey, i'm one of those reviews in the announcements channel. Thanks for releasing macro support!

[formal bolt]

Can i change the profile with a macro? Or wootility only?

[knotty sapphire]

As of right now, the A1, A2, A3, and Mode keys cannot be used in Wootomation, since they are wooting specific keys

Future deeper integration with Wooting boards is something we considered, but this initial release was meant to be as general as possible.

So no, you cannot create a macro to change the keyboard profile right now.

If you are using a 60HE you should be able to switch profiles easily using Fn layers and remap though. Don't really see why you'd use a macro to do it

[floral silo]

thought of giving the wooting-macros a try. I dont have a wooting keyboard but the github repo suggests it should work with any keyboard
https://github.com/WootingKb/wooting-macros.
attached are the images for a sample macro that I created which types a text when I hit alt + 2, but nothing seems to be happening.
what am I missing.

[knotty sapphire]

You aren't missing anything, it seems like there is an issue with using alt and ctrl as a modifier.

L-SHIFT + 2 works for me, could you please try that?

[floral silo]

sure give me a min

yup left shift+2 worked for trigger

[floral silo]

is this by design ? or a bug

[knotty sapphire]

Okay, thanks for reporting. I will also list this as an issue.

[shy lotus]

bug for sure

[knotty sapphire]

It's definitely not intended hahaha

[floral silo]

thanks for clarifying.

[formal bolt]

Didnt know IT was possible to change the profile through FN layers or something like that. My last knowledge was that profiles can only be changed manually throu wootility. Thanks for your fast and long reply

[knotty sapphire]

I personally don't have a 60HE, but I'm sure this is possible based on some comments I've read elsewhere in the discord. Don't hold me to it though, haha

[shy lotus]

its possible ever since the AVR 60he

which was the first delivered

all Wooting keyboards have a way to change between onboard profiles using either FN+Some key or with the W2 dedicated keys

[visual girder]

OMG Finally a good macro software

[shy lotus]

well

it has a pretty critical bug rn

(for macro hotkeys)

[knotty sapphire]

Happy to hear that the first impression is good!

But, like Tony mentioned we do have some issues to sort out, as expected given the relatively short amount of time spent on this project as well as on testing.

If you have any feedback or run into issues, please do post them here!

[pure salmon]

yes if there are any issues i'll start ironing them out asap

[visual girder]

i will! Trust me, What are the most know issues atm ?

[native pike]

i don't know if anyone has talked about it yet but i think a setting for each macro profile to either repeat the macro on press or on hold

[knotty sapphire]

We should have a list of them sometime soon, but for now, just be aware that some trigger key combinations may not work, especially when using ctrl, alt and shift modifiers

We recommend using the F13-24 keys as trigger keys when possible

[knotty sapphire]

Definitely, see my comment here #💻│wootomation message

[native pike]

ah okay 👍

just wanted to give my suggestion

but it looks really good so far, very easy to use

[azure seal]

ui is nice but the macro only seems to work while other keys arent being pressed. not sure if this has been mentioned or not yet

[fickle hazel]

ah gotcha, i think having both as an option would be cool, because both are useful regardless. cant wait to see smth done with that

[knotty sapphire]

It hasn't been mentioned here, but the functionality of setting whether a macro can be activated while other keys are pressed or not is definitely something we planned, but just didn't have time to include in this version.

Thanks for bringing it up, helps us better gauge what to prioritize.

[azure seal]

😎 👍

[pure salmon]

we'll get some additional infrastrucutre stuff out first as an update (for example easier logging) and some bugfixes as well

thankfully the app has a built-in updater ^_^

[magic cobalt]

is there a setting that constantly loops the macro?

[knotty sapphire]

Unfortunately not at this time, please see #💻│wootomation message

[mortal sable]

Is it possible for certain collections of macros to be bound to specific keyboard profiles (optionally of course)

[pure salmon]

that is an interesting idea

i'll put it on the whiteboard for the future

[mortal sable]

alright, thank you !

[charred berry]

how exactly does this macro work?

[tiny umbra]

I know the question has been mentioned, but HW macros work in scenarios where SW macros don't. E.g. Remote Desktop/Terminal Server. I use my keyboard a lot for work and this is critical for me. One reason I have not yet switched to my Wooting board for work. I am not in a situation where I can't test this yet, but I know (e.g. AutoHotkey / Synapse 3 and others) simply don't work in this environment.

[rough bridge]

I'd like to be able to change cursor position, and make a macro that toggles on and off other macros. One of the best things about this for me is how fast it can change what inputs do. Even the keyboard itself takes a moment to change profiles. It's not something that can easily be done in the middle of a racing game, for example, or other games where you don't have a moment to spare.

[tame cliff]

how to remove macro? stuck on keyboard after removing profile

[knotty sapphire]

Can I get more details on this? The macro still functions even after you delete the macro?

[tame cliff]

yeah so i deleted the macro and when i click my f key it still registers as e

so in the messages i have been pasting f in to not look like a moron whilst typing

in addition i removed the macro and uninstalled the software but that did not change anything. so I redownloaded, saw the profile came back from the dead and here I am. Stuck with two e keys

[knotty sapphire]

One sec

I'm having trouble trying to re-create this situation.

Can you DM me screenshots of the application?

[tame cliff]

wanna just hop on call eor a eew?

[knotty sapphire]

Sure, that works too

[brisk pivot]

Anyone made a null movement macro yet? If unaware, an example of null movement would allow you to press move back while still holding move forward, and it would allow move back command to override the move forward command. It's nice because it means you don't have to pick up and reset your finger when wanting to switch directions. It's very powerful in games like overwatch.

[twilit yacht]

can you open applications in wootomation, if so how

[knotty sapphire]

Add an 'Open File' action, and press the Browse for Files button

You'll need to know the path to the exe.

[sullen notch]

Is there an available list of considered additions to Wootomation with status (soon/later/never)? It is assumed that things like scroll wheel up/down in the mouse buttons section would be there. Maybe selecting a group in a sequence to move or delete. Would an expanding list help others to look for things that you have not already explored? Would the time maintaining a list save time in other ways? Your work on macros is very much appreciated. Thank you.

[knotty sapphire]

If you don't know the path, simply search for the application in the windows start menu, right click, and press on 'open file location'

and copy the path from the file explorer

[twilit yacht]

thanks, is there any way to open steam games this way though?

it doesn't recognize mcosu for me

[knotty sapphire]

Can't speak about the timing for a roadmap/list of planned features, but I can say that moving groups of elements in the sequence was something I wanted to get in, but did not have time to do (more complex than it sounds)

Personally, I believe that after we do some more organization with the project, there will be a dedicated planned features list and a known issues list that is easy to access and read by everyone

Thanks for the feedback

[twilit yacht]

probs cause it's an internet shortcut

[knotty sapphire]

Can you try right clicking on the internet shortcut and pressing "go to file location"?

It should bring you to the actual exe file

[twilit yacht]

doesn't do that

these are the game files btw

no exe

sadly 😦

[knotty sapphire]

Hmm, I'll have to look into it another time as I have to go, but thanks for bringing this up!

[twilit yacht]

np

[sullen notch]

Is mouse scroll wheel up/down a future feature for sequences?

[worn finch]

hey quick question idk if its possible but rn if i hold down a key eg. 's' and input anything else like 'adad' i have to take my finger off and re hold 's' , is there any way to keep the 's' going after 'adad' without having to re hold it?

[knotty sapphire]

Hey, had some time sooner than I thought haha

I was able to open a steam game through the Open File action

You can see the path to find the exe of a game in my screenshot

[knotty sapphire]

Possibly, though whether or not it is a priority to implement depends on how many people want it, and if its a pain for @pure salmon to do lol

[knotty sapphire]

What does "S" do?

Currently, we only have 1 type of macro, i.e. the macro plays out to completion once you press the trigger key

See my comment here: #💻│wootomation message

[sullen notch]

Count me as one. And, yes, there needs be many that could make use of it.

[twilit yacht]

hm for the game i'm trying to run it doesn't have a similar path 😦 but I think it's specific to the game i'm trying to run

thanks for showing me how though i can probably use it on other games

this is what it looks like btw

[knotty sapphire]

unlucky

[worn finch]

preciate the quick reply, maybe this could explain it better

is there any way to keep 's' going after i input other stuff , with wootility wootomation or any other software xd

[sullen notch]

Is there an easy way for a "list of considered features" to collect votes from people to see the volume of interest?

[knotty sapphire]

At this point in time, no. I can't give any promises on timelines as that is not my jurisdiction. But I do think it would be nice to have a place for people to easily vote on features they want prioritized.

Also, the project is open source, so anyone who wants to work on a feature, even if it is not what everyone else wants, may request it to be looked over and added.

[sullen notch]

Sounds like a good plan.

[knotty sapphire]

I'm not too sure, sorry. Perhaps @pure salmon will have an answer for you, though I don't think this is something currently possible with wootomations.

[worn finch]

ty bro all good preciate ur time <3

[pure salmon]

its definitely possible, just a question of if its enough for just that one action to be its own trigger

meaning - no CTRL+scrollwheel or CTRL+SHIFT+scrollwheel as we purposefully kept mouse binds separate

this could be tweaked down the line though

but i'll add it to the TODO list

[pure salmon]

as Necron said, currently we don't have a roadmap

https://github.com/WootingKb/wooting-macros/issues

but you may look here and see the feature enhancements that have been noted down

[pure salmon]

this might get fixed with a special tweak we have ready, will test it soon and let you know 👀

[austere zinc]

What do you need HW macros to be able to do? I am looking into adding more advanced keys for good use cases

[tiny umbra]

Mostly keystrokes. Quickly entering server names being just one of them. We use jump boxes and once on a jump box I might need to jump to multiple different servers. I have HW keystroke macros set to do that. But it doesn't work with software macros if I can't install the software on the jump box. Which I can't for multiple reasons. One being that the jump boxes keep changing. They are very simple use cases, but make my daily work flow much more efficient.

[austere zinc]

So you pretty much just need text input? That was brought up by someone else as well, it's something I'm starting to think about how to implement. Obv there will be some limitations due to the fact that keyboard inputs get transformed by the OS language layout, but can at least have something that works providing you have the same layout set

[tiny umbra]

Correct. Yes, I saw that post. This was in support as I need much the same functionality.

[austere zinc]

Alright, I'll see what I can do :)

[latent ibex]

I do a lot of copy and paste on my work computer (not able to install software, hence HW macro). I would love to have a way to copy and paste in the same macro, and have a set delay between the copy and the paste function. Example, having a mod tap top to first copy and 3 sec later paste.
That might be difficult as it requires two buttons pressed at the same time, and not just entering multiple characters?

[pure salmon]

will we be able to somehow communicate setting up the hardware keys via the macros app too? something that came to mind

[austere zinc]

Possibly, we'll have to see what the UX will be like. But the scope of the ones on hardware side will be a lot more narrow so shouldn't really need any complex ui

[obsidian shuttle]

are there any options of adding a macro of mouse navigation, moving the cursor in a pattern and stuff

[knotty sapphire]

Hi there, I'm not sure I quite follow your question, feel free to rephrase it.

However, macros are basically a sequence of actions which you create. Each macro must have a trigger key set, e.g. F13

When you press the trigger key, the macro plays out.

[knotty sapphire]

Mouse movement was something under consideration, but didn't make it into this first version.

It can definitely be a possibility, but I cannot give a timeline.

If you can share examples of the kind of controls you'd like to have with regards to mouse movement, that would be helpful. Thanks!

[knotty sapphire]

Thanks for the feedback!

With regards to mouse movement, please see the comment I just replied to above.

For being able to make a macro to toggle macros on/off (or even entire collections on/off), I personally don't know the possibility of that, but perhaps @pure salmon knows if it is feasible

Do you have examples of other software doing this? AHK script perhaps?

[obsidian shuttle]

the idea I had in mind was that you record movement and the clicks and after a certain amount of time you let it repeat, this with other macros would be really good for farming games

[cinder rain]

I'm facing the same issue.

[knotty sapphire]

There is a fix in the works for this, though I can't share an ETA. For now, please try using L-SHIFT or other keys, such as F13-24

Reference: #💻│wootomation message

Thanks.

[pure salmon]

that issue should be already fixed, but there are some special cases like shift+numpad that isn't handled yet properly, or alt+anything (since windows takes the cake on that one first), as well as difference between left and right modifier keys which we are trying to fix 😄

[cinder rain]

I'm using v1.0.0 and macros using alt and ctrl still aren't working for me.

[pure salmon]

alt might be broken for a while yet, ctrl is already fixed on our dev branch, we'lre thinking whether to wait and try to fix the alt keys together or push a fix for the ctrl ones at least

but some combinations are still not fixed yet, shift+NUM1 for example, we have to handle that a bit differently

i was working on log support first and some fixes to the keys, hopefully we'll be able to merge that very soon

[rough bridge]

The closest thing I can think of that does this is the Wooting KB's profile keys, but besides that, autoclicker programs have their start and stop hotkeys. In at least one of them that I can think of (OP Auto clicker), it even allows cursor coordinates. I've gotten myself into big trouble with that before, where it was taking my cursor back to a single location many times per second, and it was set to repeat forever. I can't remember why, but I'm also pretty sure I couldn't use the hotkey to stop it either. That's one example of why it's needed though, at least whenever there becomes the ability to do repeat macros and cursor coordinates.

But, what I was thinking when I made the on/off macros suggestion is that it just seems cumbersome to have to go into the program and click the toggle for each thing I want to turn on and off. I was imagining that there could be a module for it, so that a macro could enable or disable other macros, but it could be handled more traditionally as well. I prefer the module idea because it's simply more powerful. For example, I press G, it does a function, enables another macro and disables its own. I press G again, it now does something else. It could just toggle back and forth, or it could keep rolling forward that way. Maybe you press G, it does some repeating pattern. You press it again, it moves to the next repeating pattern. That way of handling things just seems to have a lot more utility. But, at the basic necessity of the situation, I think there needs to be some form of hotkey for toggles. Especially if repeating macros get introduced, which I would also like to see.

[twilit yacht]

for some reason I can't open wootomation anymore

it just doesn't do anything when i try to open it

[pure salmon]

isnt it running in the background by any chance already?

[twilit yacht]

it is but I can't open the app to edit my macros

[pure salmon]

use the app icon in the system tray

left click it to open the app

we had to implement a detection so the app wouldnt run more than once but unfortunately it has some unforeseen side effects

ill check it and try to tweak it if possible

[normal tangle]

Is there any way to make an auto clicker where I its only on while I hold it

[pastel basin]

does anyone have a drag edit macro?

and is this app detected?

[shy lotus]

if you get banned for using it in a multiplayer game its on you. we specifically recommend not to do that

[wet quartz]

bro u play brawlhalla lol lets spar some day

[pure salmon]

not yet

[lime island]

im sorry if this already been answered, but can you set the macros so they "repeat until stopped" "repeat #times" "repeat when holding" `?

[rough bridge]

I've done this by just making a left click macro. In fact, I don't really know how to make it hold the button down and then release it as you do. For now, I just have a full left click bound to Z, so when I hold Z, it does a bunch of left clicks, just like an auto clicker, but it does take a moment to fully kick in. That's because it's just sending the Z key signal and converting it into a click, so when I hold Z, it waits a moment, and then sends bunch of them. It clicks as fast as the Z key signal is sent, so whatever repeat rate you have your keyboard set to (assuming it's via USB).

[pure salmon]

what the

thats actually amazing 😄

[pure salmon]

https://github.com/WootingKb/wooting-macros/issues/91

also if anyone knows some rust feel free to contribute 😄

or typescript for that matter

[normal tangle]

Can you send the macro?

[pastel basin]

does wootomation use software or the keyboard itself to input the macros?

[cinder rain]

I assigned a macro to an ahk script and If I keep the macro held down it keeps on spawning multiple instances of the ahk script.....

[earnest bridge]

Well of course.

[cinder rain]

Is there any way to limit it to one instance per macro key press for launching applications?

I know I can use #singleinstance force in the ahk script to prevent that for happening but wouldn't want other applications to repeatedly launch while the macro is held down.
Maybe the command can be sent on key up?

It happens for potplayer too.

[pure salmon]

try having multiple triggers e g shift+F13 or smth

[outer cloak]

I'm having trouble running the app, i had it installed on my computer but just got a new one and it wont start. Freezes on white screen

[pure salmon]

move out the data.json and config.json from %appdata%/wooting-macro-app i think is the directory

and relaunch to see if it launches correctly

[outer cloak]

This didnt work!

[pure salmon]

hmmm well try to reinstall it and if it still doesn't work

well, we will have a logging update soon but until that happens you do have several options of checking the logs, just not really that intuitive yet

up to you if you'd prefer to wait for the logging update or not 😄

[outer cloak]

Haha i'll reinstall and let you know if i need the logs! Thanks for the help

[outer cloak]

Alright, still not working! How can i get the logs?

[pure salmon]

linux or windows?

[outer cloak]

windows

[pure salmon]

$ENV:RUST_LOG="debug" put this into your terminal and then with that terminal launch the wootomation exe

you should see the console output in there

[outer cloak]

So i'm having trouble making that happen, i am not super well versed in using the terminal but putting in the first command doesnt do anything, and then i terminal launch the wootomation.exe and it just freezes like usual. Is there something im missing?

Here's what i put in the terminal and what shows up on wootomation

[shy lotus]

do it without the start

[shy lotus]

ah crap forgot without start only works if youre in that folder

im sadly also strapped on time as its midnight rn. Might be best for you to wait for David to reply to you tomorrow when hes up again

[pure salmon]

nono thats right…

hmm yeah ill take a look tonmorow if thats fine

[outer cloak]

You guys are awesome! Thank you

[pure salmon]

lmk when you are ready 😄

[outer cloak]

Hey there, ready! Sorry, just waking up

[pure salmon]

sure

alright soo

just cd C:\Program Files\Wootomation

and then do Wootomation.exe

and before you do that do the $ENV:RUST_LOG="debug"

because these ENV things reset when you relaunch the shell

[shy lotus]

.\ infront

assuming this is powershell

[pure salmon]

yeah always press tab to autocomplete 😄

[outer cloak]

It seems to be doing the same thing...

Did i type it all in correctly?

[pure salmon]

yeah.. yeah

i mean it almost looks like it crashes before.. hm

try running as admin

but that really shouldnt be the culprit

[outer cloak]

Are there any pre-requisite installations i might not have? I'll try admin too

Admin also failed

[pure salmon]

not any that i know of, all libraries are statically linked to the binary

although

windows webviewv2 is required

it should be preinstalled for everyone on win10 newer than 2018 i think

but i'd check windows udpates just to be sure

https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/webview2/#download-section

or maybe try to get it here it should install in case its not

[outer cloak]

This seems to already be installed

[knotty sapphire]

Could it be an issue with folder read/write permissions?

[pure salmon]

we should have the logging system ready soon

and also some fixes

[outer cloak]

You guys rock, thanks for everything

[fervent otter]

Two quick questions: #1. Does wootomation have the ability to record mouse movements? If not, are there plans to add this? and #2. Does wootomation have the ability to make the macro repeat indefinitely? With the steelseries macro you could set it to play once, or use the macro as a toggle, and the macro could play indefinitely as long as the macro was toggled on.

[pure salmon]

1. not yet, but the plans are surely there if people want it 😄

2. not yet but the framework is there and all it needs is to be implemented on the backend and some frontend buttons

we started out with a smaller featureset and feedback is very important to help us prioritize things

[deft phoenix]

Is it just me or does Wootomation not work in games? cause i can only activate the macro if im trying to type and in game it only works if i want to send a message in game

[knotty sapphire]

Could you summarize what the macro does, as well as what game?

[deft phoenix]

Its in the game Apex Legends and im using it to quickly grab stuff off drop using a macro that is simply spamming E but it does not want to work while im in game walking around or even standing still and will only activate it when i want to type a message to my teammates for example

[pure salmon]

i wouldnt be surprised if thats an anti-cheat catching it

[deft phoenix]

could be but ghub steelseries gg and some other random applications can do it so its just a bit weird

[shy lotus]

idk what our company stance on macros in games is but i personally would love to see games enforce the no macro rules they have even if it means banning someone for using ghub or whatever

[deft phoenix]

yeah im just using cuz i have a very weak index finger sadly enough

[fervent otter]

awesome, I would love both these capabilities. Running the macro repeatedly is the most important to me. Is there a proper place to provide official feedback on this, or is this the place?

[shy lotus]

sadly accessibility is often not covered as a reason to use them. and in general many games lack accessibility functions for more restrictive hand motions or even 1 handed use. wish the gaming scene would start having more inclusive setups in general

[pure salmon]

https://github.com/WootingKb/wooting-macros/issues/91

it is already up, but make sure to vote with an emoji

helps us prioritize thinigs

i'll make a better project page very soon to help everyone get a better look and vote for features etc

[fervent otter]

vote where with an emoji, here in discord?

[deft phoenix]

would be if they went into that but even if they where to it would still take ages dor them to do it 😦

[shy lotus]

oh ya even colorblindness is uh... lets say

"almost there"

[deft phoenix]

they did get to the point that some of the bigger games now have some colorblindness settings so thats a start i guess

[shy lotus]

ya but from friends i heard it makes the game playable but they still find it hard to often time differentiate stuff

[deft phoenix]

Yup...

[knotty sapphire]

How many E elements did you put? If you have a wooting board, you could just put DKS on your E key or in your Fn layer and the DKS can turn 1 E press into 4

[deft phoenix]

I dont have one yet bout to order it tho cuz that 1mm actuation point could and will prob help me dealing with my disability in game more and i put many E's in there

[pure salmon]

on github 😄

[fervent otter]

ok done, ty

[fervent otter]

I'm not too familiar with github, just figured itg out

[pure salmon]

i'll make a nicer page for that 😄 github has more user friendly features to make all of this easier

[fervent otter]

If I want to change the delay on multiple keystrokes at once, is there a way to highlight all of the keystrokes and change the value in one place, or must I go through them one by one manually?

[pure salmon]

one by one i think but you could change the default delay in the settings and add delays and them move them inplace i think

[fervent otter]

yah I looked into the auto-add delay feature but I don't quite understand what it does

[knotty sapphire]

Auto-Add delay, automatically adds a delay element when you add other elements to the sequence

So if you put in A and then B, a delay is automatically inserted between them

[fervent otter]

I turned the feature on and off and it doesn't seem to do anything when I record a macro

[pure salmon]

hmm it should tho

[knotty sapphire]

Ah, I see. You're using the recording mode

[pure salmon]

i'd like to note that we have a number of bugfixes on the way

[knotty sapphire]

Currently the recording mode tracks your real time delays. I can understand the want to have it use a consistent delay instead

[fervent otter]

oh, I get it. It only works when creating a macro not using the record function

[knotty sapphire]

Yeah unfortunately, I did not have time to adjust that, sorry

[fervent otter]

yes there should be an option when recording a macro to choose a static delay, no delay, or record in real time

in the meantime, you could add in the description of the auto-add delay that it only works when not recording

[knotty sapphire]

@zinc flower another one on the list lol

[knotty sapphire]

Yeah, the example I can think of is logitech's ghub. Hopefully it's not too much of an inconvenience right now, and thank you for the feedback!

[outer cloak]

I figured it out! I don't know how but i actually had TWO copies of WebView2 installed. Uninstalled one and it worked immediately. Thanks for the help!

[pure salmon]

wow

yeah i thought it could be something like that

nice ^_^

[fervent otter]

Of course. Loving the simplicity of the app so far and really looking forward to seeing the improvements come.

[stark grove]

So far I like the app, my only suggestion would be to clarify Minimize on close to be Close to tray, minimize implies it would minimizeto the bar, but it's actually close to tray

[empty elm]

had a wacko idea of being able to program rgb settings/animations as part of the macro sequences, not expecting it to become a thing but sounds dope on paper

[austere zinc]

Wootomation Contributor chat

[plush marsh]

It'd be really dope if it was possible to use non-modifiers alongside modifiers for macros instead of 1 non-modifier + 3 modifiers
profile switching would be killer too, but i can see why it's not a feature currently due to the application being for multiple platforms

also, thank you for making wootomation ❤️ love y'all

[plush marsh]

(caveat: if 2 non-modifiers are used as inputs in a macro, all keys beyond the first are treated as modifiers and can't be bound)
that way you can have macros for stuff like left/right + <something>
example:
D+space = macro to dodge to the right
A+space = macro to dodge to the left

[lime plaza]

Does the program work on windows 11?

I cant get it to run at all

the macros that is

[earnest bridge]

Yep.

[pure salmon]

if you scroll up maybe you will find some solution someone else found to the same problem

[lime plaza]

I found the solution on the issues page. Ran it as admin and it's working now. But it's fairly inconsistent. If I press the trigger key multiple times I get the macro or the trigger.

[pure salmon]

hmmmm

[knotty sapphire]

It may require a restart, e.g. kill it and re-open

[twin lava]

Is there a way to loop macros currently?

I cant add the trigger key in the sequence unfortunately

[shy lotus]

pretty sure that would make it infinitely looping without stop

[twin lava]

yeah u right

would be cool to have seperate keys for toggle on and off

[shy lotus]

i think looping is in dev

[twin lava]

Then you could loop it in that way

development?

[shy lotus]

yes

[twin lava]

thank you

[shy lotus]

theres quite a big list of stuff people already gave as feedback and were trying to work through it as fast as a david can. so just keep your eyeballs peeled for the next few updates and their changes

[twin lava]

[pure salmon]

not just me! we already got some contributors ^_^

[grave light]

having problems getting the macros to actually do something. I'm just testing it out and hitting the hotkey i set to open up a webpage (google.com) doesn't do anything. It also doesn't start up any file or folder when I hit the hotkey as well. I've swapped hotkeys and combinations and it just doesn't seem to do anything for me. I've started it as admin and restarted as well
EDIT: It just doesn't seem to launch my browser, but after another restart and a reinstall, it seems to work for the most part

[knotty sapphire]

Are you using windows or Linux? If windows, are you on 10 or 11?

[grave light]

my bad, windows 10 22H2

[fervent otter]

Possible to darken the icon or provide more contrast? It's just a blob of yellow on my screen and it's hard to see the logo. Looks even worse in the taskbar as a a tiny icon.

Like maybe a black background instead?

[tranquil crag]

Anyone know how to delete setup macros, there are no config files, nothing in %appdata% and uninstall doesnt help either. I've accidently setup a left click macro and now im unable to turn off said macro when wootomation is running as it wont register.

anyone know where the macros are saved?

[pure salmon]

they should be saved in appdata/wooting-macro-app

[tranquil crag]

thanks!, i was looking for wootomation but should've figured to check in there. Had my 60HE since oct and just love the utilities you guys keep bringing out, thanks for all the hard work!

Just an FYI though, noticed a day ago a few of my keys weren't working, checked wootility and reset my profiles to default and still no response, multiple system reboots and still the same... figured the worst and that it'd gone faulty and some switches had died. I ended up just removing the power cable and reinserting then it cleared and everything worked as normal bit odd but could be a bug in the memory.

Suggestion - in wootomation it might be worth adding a macro disable keybind to the wootomation settings that kills all macros incause of user errors such as above rather than having to delete/edit the appdata files.

[pure salmon]

hmmm there will be a wootility + firmware update out very soon maybe that will help with some odd bugs that have been fixed

[pure salmon]

that is an interesting setting - though we already have the button that disables macro listening

on windows no key macros are execute while you have the macro window focused as well, making for a safer space to test out stuff

[tame crane]

Quick question, is it not possible to initiate a macro only when the key is fully pressed down(or at a certain depth).

Allowing us to press a key without a macro if we tapped it.

The only method I could think of is using wootility to press another key using dks which then initiates the macro.

[shy lotus]

that would be possible but would require some hard work making sure that the key we read via the analog sdk is actually P for example and not smth else because the user remapped their keyboard.

[cerulean rapids]

I dont know if im doing something wrong but my macro wont work if im holding down any key on my keyboard. For example when Im moving in a game I hold down W and when I press my macro it wont work but when I let go of W and press my macro then it works.

[shy lotus]

@pure salmon would know

[pure salmon]

well you have to play around with how the macro works. It pushes down W or releases it. you letting go of W releases it and if it was pushed by the macro, it will still release it

its timing stuff

[bleak wolf]

how do i turn off macro if the macro is binded on mouse 1

[tame crane]

@bleak wolf Read that thread. They had the same issue.

Just close Wootomation then remove the Config

[pure salmon]

or maybe focus the window using the keyboard and use TAB and ENTER to turn off the macro

it should immidiately apply

@bleak wolf

[tame crane]

@pure salmon Sorry for the ping but another question or bug?

When a macro button is held down it doesn't wait for the current thread to finish. It creates a new one.
E.g:
Binding the sequence:

Holding it down would do:
11ooo21ooo1ooo2ooo3o2ooo12ooo3o43324544355545

If we ignore the "o" then
11211232123(Let go of key here)43324544355545
Takes it's time finishing all the threads.

Is there a way to wait for the sequence to finish then repeat instead of repeating the same sequence without checking if it's already running?

[pure salmon]

oh thats intentional

its all independent so you can launch as many (instances of) macros as you want - all async

to handle actualy holding down a button to repeat a single instance - thats in the works

[tame crane]

Okay thank you, good to know it's in the works.

[pure salmon]

https://github.com/WootingKb/wooting-macros/issues/91

[tame crane]

Oooo, I should have checked the Github, sorry about that.

[pure salmon]

thats fine :D, afterall manytimes people suggest the same thing but slightly different and sometimes i end up creating an entirely new issue based on that. multiple views help to create an accurate implementation of the fix

[twin lava]

Is there a way to manipulate mouse input yet?

Not like mouse buttons, but mouse movement

[knotty sapphire]

Not right now. We were considering it during development but it was cut due to other things being of higher priority and also we kind of wanted to do a survey for users who want mouse movement to see the best way to implement it and have a good user experience.

Obviously we couldn't do that when the project was under wraps haha

But it is definitely something that can be added in the future.

[twin lava]

Thank you. Def a very useful feature, please add in the future. I appreciate all the work so far.

[pure salmon]

if you know anyone who'd like to contribute to frontend, then that'd be fabulous 😄

we couldn't finish the frontend part in time, but the backend does support it. How it supports it is, however, a question more for a discussion on our GitHub. i'll open up a discussion about it soon

one of the reasons why we didn't finish the mouse movements was that people do have different expectations of the implementation and we wanted to consult this with the community first

[twin lava]

Unfortunately I do not 😔 if I stumble upon anybody I will promote

[turbid trellis]

Thank you guys so much for creating this tool. Love that feedback and feature requests are being worked on :D

[ripe sedge]

is it possible to disable macros in wootomation using a key input

or do I have to do it manually on the app

[knotty sapphire]

As of right now you will need to do it manually. Others have talked about this too, so I would think that this could be a feature in the future, but @pure salmon would be able to tell you more

What level of disabling would you like, just out of curiosity?

For example, currently, you can disable macros manually on 3 levels:

1. entire app
2. per collection
3. per macro

Would you want key binds to toggle enable/disable only the entire app? or would you want more granular control?

[ripe sedge]

uh the entire app would work too I think

basically I want to be able to turn macros off and on

would closing the app be good enough actually?

[knotty sapphire]

you can just kill the app too, yes

[ripe sedge]

ahh kk

I just have to deselect the minimize when closed option ig

[knotty sapphire]

yep, its on by default since usually people will want it to run in the background (i think lol)

[wicked ridge]

Everytime I try to install wootomation it gives me this error code can someone help

[wicked ridge]

So what do I do?

[earnest bridge]

Reboot and try again?

With admin rights

[waxen dagger]

why are so many people their temp folders restricted to their users

how does that happen

[shy lotus]

i know some superlight windows do this

prevents bloat or some shit they claim

[waxen dagger]

Ah, that does line up with how common it was to occur for Fortnite players

They would definitely run programs like that

[shy lotus]

TAKEOWN /F C: /R /D Y 
ICACLS "C:" /reset /T /C

those 2 in an elevated cmd line should resolve it though

you can even modify those further to only work on C:\WINDOWS\Temp by replacing C:\ with just the temp folder

[waxen dagger]

isn't it meant for the %TEMP% folder

[shy lotus]

?

oh if you specify a volume only it should restore all windows known paths to their default perms

which would include %TEMP% (better known as C:\WIndows\Temp)

[waxen dagger]

https://github.com/ViGEm/ViGEmBus/issues/91#issuecomment-820398295

[shy lotus]

on the topic of changing those dynamic known paths like user folders etc... id advise against it. happened way too often that win updates broke it

[waxen dagger]

I guess it is C:\Windows\Temp

Always had in mind the path AppData\Local\Temp

[shy lotus]

i think thats localtemp or smth

but ya shouldnt need that shebang of manual clicking around

[pure salmon]

lol wtf

is that the malware people love to install?

the "demicrosoftier"

[shy lotus]

idk its usually cutting so much stuff from the win install that a lot of stuff is missing

like dx

.net

and what not

lots of default services removed

[wicked ridge]

Yea I play a lot of fort and I’ve had my pc tweaked by paragon I’m not a computer wiz just trying to figure out how to install I figured wootomation had better input delay than wootility that’s what I’m using atm

[shy lotus]

ICACLS "%TEMP%" /reset /T /C

Run that in a command prompt as administrator

should fix your permissions

[earnest bridge]

ICACL, YOUCACL,EVERYONECACLS

https://tenor.com/view/emperor-palpatine-evil-laugh-cackles-star-wars-gif-16520972

[wicked ridge]

Bruh Am I getting trolled 🤣

Thanks for the help as always tho 👍🏻

[earnest bridge]

I just saw "Icacl" and my brain thought it should make a joke. 😄

[wicked ridge]

Lil jokey joke never hurt nobody

[shy lotus]

ngl this is one the reasons i hate those tuner utilities

they always fuck shit up

like deleting registry keys for no reason

[dry ember]

Can wootomation store macros onto the 60HE?

I have a huge list of ideas for features, but one way to make this great and promote marketing is by not having it only work universally, but allow it to save macros created by it only onto wooting hardware.

[pure salmon]

there are talks of making stuff like hardware macros happen somehow but we havent quite finalized the ideas yet

for now its software only, but that has its own benefits

[wide knot]

if it is changed to hardware based (the only way i will ever use it) would it require a new keyboard? or would the original 60he cope?

would rather not get banned from games, due to software macro programs, or a reskinned autohotkey being installed

apex pro retains macros and hold to rapid fire without its software being installed. Would be nice to have the same functionality here

[pure salmon]

that's a question more for @austere zinc 👀

[shy lotus]

main issue with hardware macros is mainly tournament whitelisting

there is a way to make a lot of macro functions work natively on 60HEs and Wooting Two HEs but the flexibility you get would likely make it not tournament legal as players could just sneakily install macros or the likes.

this is compounded by the simple fact wootility works in any chromium based browser including edge

basically every PC in any tournament setting comes with the tool to quickly make changes to a wootings settings and macros if we had them onboard... even if PC and keyboard are from the tournament organizers

if we do macros on hardware it would be very simple stuff without any complexity and most likely no timing or looping or the likes

think of it more as an expanded DKS. Hardware macros would not be able to open files or programs, interact with any other software or smarthome devices. thats a thing reserved for software macros as a keyboard just does not have access to that info and does not possess the power to act on such things.

[shy lotus]

also on this point... it doesnt matter how you use macros software or hardware both are grounds for a ban in most online games

if not all nowadays

tl;dr: tricky topic and not as simple as just do it

[rough thorn]

An idea for that could be reaching out to ESL or a different tournament organization and get direct feedback or ideas how they would handle it/what they would accept perhaps

[shy lotus]

thats a thing for simon to decide on i assume

[rough thorn]

yup, just throwing out the idea that came to my mind when I read it

[shy lotus]

ngl i know simons stance is the fear of hw macros getting us banned from tournaments but idk if he considered asking the big tournaments orgs

[pastel basin]

well the moment hardware macros come out are the moment im buying the wooting

fortnite drag edit macros go crazy

[pastel basin]

how come brands like logitech and razer are able to get tournament whitelisted with hardware macros?

do they get special treatment?

[shy lotus]

unsure maybe they provide separate tournement fw/sw

usually players cant install anything on the pcs they get

also we strongly discourage macros in online games due to them breaking the rules and being a bannable offense

if people just want hardware macros for use in online games i dont know how well that sits with us

[pastel basin]

ive been using macros on my logitech mouse for a while now with no bans

but ik its bannable

[shy lotus]

not getting banned for it doesnt mean we need to be a solely money drive brainless corporation and do whatever people want and use all the buzzwords they like to hear just to suck money out of their pockets for recycled products

we welcome suggestions for what you want hardware macros

i might take this too personal as i love gaming and esports but... i wish games would just not try to cover their social media bumms and collect keystroke data and timings to catch hardware macros and act on their rules.

[lethal shoal]

I whould love if u guys made some sort of like tutorial on how to download/set it up. cus im lost haha

[pure salmon]

not a bad idea actually

[waxen dagger]

it is clarified for that game that one button performing multiple actions is not competitive or tournament legal inputs methods

there is rarely a reason to need hardware macros
the only reason you would want that is to avoid the anti cheat measurements, which in this case you are suggesting that you are trying to do that

[pastel basin]

nah man

totally not like that

[lethal shoal]

There wasnt a wootomation suggestion serv so i thought i'd day it here but i whould love if yall whould do that

[pure salmon]

sounds nice, here is where all the suggestions are being taken

[lethal shoal]

Oo alright thanks 🙂

[wide knot]

well to address both points you made to my comment, 1. i think the vast majority of purchasers are not trying to enter in person tournaments with a wooting, so making product decisions for the 0.1% seems a little odd.. given the 60hes ability to have its case changed and such, if someone REALLY wanted to have a macro keyboard, they could just put a different board into a wooting case and fake it.. only solution to that would be for tournaments to individually inspect each kb.

as for the point of hardware vs software, its about policy/detection/compatability. a lot of games, wont ever detect a macro if it is a basic one, to simply relieve hand strain for example, or for people with disabilities. they will however fail to launch or ban you if they detect certain programs installed like autohotkey. most games that ban simple macro use would require a user to be reported by another with proof. I use macros in black desert, like having my interact key spammable by holding it down, prevents my wrist from dying while question or gathering. wished rapid fire would do that in a wooting but it doesnt.. the apex pro remains king in that regard. as for compatability, some games just wont take macros from certain sources. i have foot pedals for some functions to relieve hand strain, but half the brands dont work in half the games. only hardware macros always work. They are also the most lag proof. they wont mess up if a program in the background causes a hitch.

and for tournaments, im pretty sure the current multiple keys depending on how far you press the button would mess with that anyway right? multiple actions with one key..

i just want something that has timings possible, so i can use a key as a single press, but if i hold it for more than 200ms it will press once every 50ms until i let go. that is why my hands have hurt so much more going from the steelseries to the wooting, repetitive strain injury sucks, hardware macros help. software macros get indiscriminate bans, or simply wont let you launch a game if its running in the background. For tournament use, i would suggest you have it perform some kind of function if macros are saved to hardware. some little alert on the wootility website, that says "macros are saved to this board, press this to reset to default settings for tournament spaces" or similar

but the great thing with the wooting, is for people who use macros to help with injury/injury prevention. a macro that only activates once the key is bottomed out, would be awesome for preventing rsi from spamming in games. there is so much possibility with a keyboard like this, and to have it hamstrung for the sake of probably less than 0.1% of people who do tournaments, seems silly

[rough thorn]

it's not that it would limit the people using it in lan events, if it would get banned, you have lots of people who wont see zywoo or the other pros use it, then shit ton of the sales that comes from that wont happen

it's not just the people using in tournaments that would be affected from that

and for the case that you use macros to prevent rsi, that doesn't really need to be saved on the board directly then, does it?

thats some reasons I can see but I'm sure they have more and thats why it's not something easy to decide on

[wide knot]

if it is not saved to the board directly, and run without software, it can be detected as macro software and banned without questioning why. the fact i would need to install any software at all to have the macros play, is the deal breaker. as for the tournaments, lots of these esports teams keep getting caught cheating in various ways, so surely there must just be a way for the tournament runners to check an individual keyboard for macros before a game begins? with that much money on the line just hire some kid to go around and reset all keyboards to default/some tournament approved setting

but to gut a setting just for that seems weird. have separate firmwares, one for tournament use one for everyone else. within the tournament, open wootility, read the firmware version and sorted?

[rough thorn]

the feature is not gutted due to it, it is just one consideration, there has been so far no final decisions on it

[wide knot]

well then i can only hope i am not living in the timeline where that does end up happening

also just a little thing, it would help if wooting employees/purples were listed in the member list on the right, i cant find anyone at all, so it makes it harder to know who it is that is speaking, if that makes sense

[dry ember]

How is it anyones business with what one does with their own hardware? I am pretty certain that if a game can’t have its own software/anti cheat that can’t distinguish timings being exact from variable then that’s a game issue. There will always be a disconnect with what gamers want and what developers want, how can people pretend that dma devices and various other methods of cheating don’t exist. Mouse macros and or keyboard macros are nothing lmao.

[shy lotus]

well yes but also there is 0 precise timing in DKS

[shy lotus]

and this

[rich marsh]

enjoying the Wootomation, love is around the corner im sure..

[lucid harbor]

In time

[rich marsh]

would it be possible to import and export macros? via xml of text file

[lucid harbor]

Hmm

That would be neat

I'd imagine you can manually export

[rich marsh]

Req 2: shift select multiple elements to edit delay time and or move them up and down the tree

[shy lotus]

we do have some plans but no concrete timeframe

ideally we want it to be like wootility profile sharing

[pure salmon]

you can always get the json file in %appdata% 😄

but eventually yes

even importing macros from other apps is on the table

[rich marsh]

cool

[austere zinc]

@wide knot @rough thorn @shy lotus (just @ing those that were in the discussion). I've mentioned in a few different places (easily buried so not expecting ye to have seen it) that hardware macros are not necessarily ruled out. The main thing with them is that my focus is around use cases, as I want to develop good implementations for good use cases (as i.e. different advanced keys), tailoring the experience to work best for that use case. By "good use cases", I mean use cases which there's a good reason to have it on-board (as opposed to software) and is useful. I don't particularly want to just blindly implement arbitrary macros, especially when software macros are able to cover much more of the things that people want to do with arbitrary macros (e.g. opening software, deeper software integrations, arbitrary unicode characters/text). The whole story with macros & cheating, concern with tournaments etc is mainly an area of treading carefully with how implementation of macro use cases in hardware is done. I am reaching out to some tournament organisers to see if there's a nice way to reduce how careful we need to be with this aspect (e.g. tournament mode/fw, tournament validation etc).

Outside of that, @wide knot do you mind creating an issue for your use case on here: https://github.com/WootingKb/wootility-issues then it can be discussed a bit more in-depth and can look into how it could potentially be implemented :)

[tacit gale]

so weird issue, if I have wootomation running, even if I'm not actively using it for anything, any of my other peripheral programming apps that try to send modified keys to FF14 get the modifiers stripped as far as toolbars go, but not as far as things like chat go, for instance if I have a toolbar bound to shift+1 and press a key on my mouse that sends shift+1 with wootomation loaded, the toolbar for the 1 button activates, as if the shift was stripped, however if I open chat and hit that button, it types a !, so it's typing shift+1 but for some reason the game isn't registering it right, but if I close wootomation, the game behaves as expected

that's only for keys that send the combination all at once, if I bind shift to another key and press both at once, then shift+1 will get sent, but if a single keypress sends shift+1, only 1 activates

[blissful prairie]

hello there! thanks for making the wootomation. maybe it could be the savior for many many people stuck with garb.. ahem. software like g hub and synapse. well but here is my issue: it do not do trick? sob :/ i made a simple macro for test. mb4 as trigger, output letter T. open notepad, press mb4. nothing happens. what me do wrong, me don't get it :p

[blissful prairie]

i just saw there is a github link, which noticed that mouse with more than 5 buttons may not work. maybe that's the issue, nvm then. sorry 😄

actually i just set a key like f12 to the mb4 through mouse software (old glorious software for the model o, not core), then set trigger to F12 in wooto to output t. well that works but that's extra steps. i'll see what the future brings, but otherwise i like the design of wootomation

[knotty sapphire]

Yeah, the implementation for mouse buttons 4, 5, etc are a bit weird but may be possible to improve in the future.

We didn't do much testing with the mouse buttons, so thanks for the feedback!

@pure salmon can definitely speak on this more

[rich marsh]

Auto-add Delay

When enabled, a delay element is automatically added to the sequence, if the last element of the sequence is not a delay. What does this mean exactly? or when does this apply?

Is there a way to update all delay times of a recorded macro to the default ms?

[pure salmon]

no way to update them automatically yet, but basically auto add delay should add a delay between everything you click from the left menu

patch 1.0.1 coming soon, hopefully sometime next week

[rich marsh]

check.. I needed this app SO bad! its already perfect 🥰

just noticed this fucker 😄 i WILL use it professionally, i promise

[fervent otter]

how do I create a macro that will trigger while I'm running? so if I'm holding w and I hit the macro tied to the q key, I want the q key macro to trigger. But it's not currently triggering since I'm holding down the w key when I hit it.

[pure salmon]

you could set the trigger to w + q

[fervent otter]

but I also need the macro to work when I'm moving left using the A key and moving right when using the D key and moving backwards using the S key...And also using a combination of those movement keys to move diagonally...How would I set up the macro to trigger with w+q? I can only seem to record one button per macro.

[chrome horizon]

what does "1+ elements may trigger this macro again or another macro!" mean? it wont let me save my macro. can someone help me out?

[pure salmon]

it should prevent you from looping or launching another macro, to not end up in an infinite loop

[fervent otter]

how do you assign more than one button to a macro?

[pure salmon]

mouse button?

[stark grove]

What if Wootomation and the Wooting firmware could communicate, or Wootomation could somehow block keys from working normally in such a way that the numpad could be a dedicated macros pad, similar to the stream deck.
I and probably many people don't use my numpad and would vastly prefer a dedicated macropad.
I know there's a way to do this manually with AHK, so maybe this can all be done software with Wootomation

[shy lotus]

use f13 and onwards

that way you could remap everything but numlock and the operators

and with dks you could remap those to be shift+f13-f24

[stark grove]

I already use F13-24 on F1-12 with Fn in AHK

Wootomation can already detect NP0-9 keys but it doesn't block the input, I suppose an option to just block a macro trigger is the setting I need. for some reason I can't get it to trigger macros though

[pure salmon]

could SHIFT+F13-24 work?

block the macro trigger?

[stark grove]

like if I press use a numpad as a macro trigger a setting to block that so other programs don't register pressing a number key

[pure salmon]

the macro app already grabs inputs but i fear it goes to the OS first.. kinda has to

its not a kernel driver

[shy lotus]

i mean ahk also can cancel the event

the question is if we can do that crossplatform

[stark grove]

Hmm I don't think cross platform, not really possible with X, macros in general aren't possible with Wayland, I'm not sure about macOS

That's why I initially said some wooting firmware communication, disable the keys firmware and send a signal over some communication protocol, that would fix cross platform but require wooting devices

[shy lotus]

but... wootomations works.on linux afaik

[stark grove]

Having windows only settings/features/actions shouldn't be a problem, nothing major anyway, I could see some winapi and Xorg only macro actions being added to interact with windows

[pure salmon]

we didnt have anywhere near enough linux testers but in theory it should work on wayland

[stark grove]

Last I checked wayland didn't support global input events "for security" not sure if that's changed, or if Gnome and/or KDEs implementations added that, I haven't tested any wayland compositors in awhile I just know wlroots is the most popular and they didnt like nvidia last I tried to run wayland

[fervent otter]

Any button. Like if I wanted F3 and F4 to trigger the same macro

[pure salmon]

i think the easiest way is to duplicate the macro right now and just assign it to F4

having parallel scanning is not really design possible rn, in order to keep the latency to the absolute minimum

[half swan]

The intended way on Linux is to simply open the desired devices directly, do grabs so no other process gets the events, and forward events through a virtual device. See e.g. keyd, or kmonad for examples

[pure salmon]

its using the evdev library on the backend right now

[fervent otter]

duplicate macros? easy enough. is it possible to make an option that allows you to use a macro while pressing other keys? so if I want to use a macro while I'm moving in any direction (using a combination of the wasd keys), I can still use the macro? would this even be possible?

[fervent otter]

you said I could "set the trigger to w + q" but I don't know what that means

[pure salmon]

ahaha good thing you mention this, there is a toggle that is currently a bit.. unimplemented when you add a trigger

i'll see if i can get it to work for next week's patch : )

but yes that would be possible

[pure salmon]

well since the keys pressed are W+Q, then you setting the trigger to W+Q means it will only activate while you hold down W

[chrome wasp]

Niiiice, I was literally looking into that in wootomation. Ill just wait untill its fully added :)

[pure salmon]

yeahh.. alright i'll finish up the new logging tommorow and then go straight into implementing that one

[chrome wasp]

Dont stress it too much, dont forget to have some off time to chill :)

[pure salmon]

yeahh its gaming weekend for me this time 😄 thanks! 😄

[fervent otter]

This would be AWESOME. Thank you! I can't use the utility currently because of my specific use case, but this change would allow me to use it.

[fervent otter]

I don't know what you mean by "setting the trigger to W+Q" though. I thought you couldn't set a macro to be triggered by separate keys unless you created a duplicate macro?

[pure salmon]

i'll try to get it implemented into the bugfix release

[pure salmon]

well if you need the Q key only when you hold W then you can do W+Q and it will trigger only then

[fervent otter]

what do you mean "do W+Q" though? I literally don't understand how to do that.

[pure salmon]

oh right because we disallowed more than one key being pressed as triggers

well i gotta finish that customizable key order fast

[fervent otter]

implementing that feature we were discussing about allowing pressing a macro button while any other key is being held down would fix it entirely for me personally, then I wouldn't need to set multiple triggers at all

[pure salmon]

yep

gonna try to get it in hopefully nothing breaks

[hardy jetty]

Hi, may I ask if Wootomation works with any mouse/kb, or any WOOTING mouse/kb?

[earnest bridge]

The macro app is keyboard agnostic as of right now - Any future functionality that taps into the Wooting API will probably be exclusive.

[hardy jetty]

OK now I got that out of the way, I'll troubleshoot some more before I follow-up w/ my problem. Ty

[hardy jetty]

Alright. I've a problem with my razer keyboard not activating from trigger keys (it registered the keys in the setting up of it tho.).

[pure salmon]

hmm any particular macro that doesnt register?

[earnest bridge]

Razer's drivers are notorious for ... fucking things up. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest that their software is interefering or intercepting things in an unsual way.

We've had several reports of the Chroma RGB stuff breaking keyboard inputs - which is just crazy.

[hardy jetty]

By golly it works after I closed their software. what in the

[pure salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/fox-gif-7955663

[rich marsh]

can i request an restart option in this menu?

req2: will actions also get a " Set to default" button?

[pure salmon]

what would you wish to restart? the entire app?

[rich marsh]

yhea i do alot of RDP into the machine, never reboot it. lost some focus eventhought the ap still functioned correct

[pure salmon]

ehm im not sure if i understand that one 😄

[rich marsh]

yhea.. I think that the app, lost the ability to execute macros. even thought the app still seemd to function as intended. I could use the app, make new macros etc. But pressing the F13 key did not execute the macro somehow. A restart of the app seem to fix that. Although, looking at the setup i run, i'm not convinced its the wootomation that was faulty.

[static pelican]

possible in future? (spamming keys like for mmo games)

[pure salmon]

on-hold macros are on the way

btw 1.0.1 is out as a pre-release

[static pelican]

ty mate ! 👍

[cinder rain]

Alt + (Any alphabet key) still doesn't seem to be working for me in the new pre release.

Eg. Alt + e doesn't do anything

[pure salmon]

yeah we had to move the fix for that to 1.1, its the way the key capturing works and ignores some bits that windows gives with the information + windows also really really loves to immidiately capture the ALT key however possible

didn't have the time to fit it all in yet unfortunately

[visual girder]

is there a toggle repeat on/off feature?

@pure salmon

[pure salmon]

most likely in 1.1, this was a bugfix update

[visual girder]

ok thanks

[ashen gale]

is it windows only?

[earnest bridge]

https://github.com/WootingKb/wooting-macros

Read the big ole' feature list? 😄

[ashen gale]

thx

[thorn lichen]

Nice being able to bind macros to mouse from wootility

[cobalt olive]

is the keyboard safing those macros or do i need to constantly run rhis programm?

[pure salmon]

you need to have it running on the background

[visual girder]

Help me please

how do i download macro software on chromebook

[earnest bridge]

Unless it runs standard Windows or some kind of Linux I don't think you will. If it's Arm based I mean.

[late moon]

I downloaded wootomation today and haven't been able to get it running. Any suggestions?

[pure salmon]

hmm did you try the 1.0.1 pre-release on github?

[late moon]

I don't think so. I'll give it a shot now.

Like my name huh xd

[late moon]

still the same issue though

[pure salmon]

strange

try to uninstall it and install again

[late moon]

I did that like 30 times now

[pure salmon]

if you have the 1.0.1 could you check the %appdata%/wootomation directory and send me the logs?

[late moon]

yes

[pure salmon]

also one more thing - check if you have microsoft webview 2 installed correctly

[late moon]

how do I check if it's installed correctly? I don't even know that is to be honest.
This is what I see

[pure salmon]

https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/webview2/

try to download the installer/repairer here and uninstall any older ones, we had a similair problem like this already and this solved it

[late moon]

okay, I'll try that. No log files by the way.

@pure salmon so when I uninstalled the existing WebView2 it showed a message that the file might have already been uninstalled. I'm guessing it was indeed a faulty installation. Wootomation works now x) thank you

[pure salmon]

ahaha nice ^_^

i thought thats gonna be the case since the log files didnt even generate 🙂 enjoy the app!

[late moon]

I do have a question though. Is there a way to play a sequence and also activate the button that is used to trigger the sequence? for example if I press "4" to trigger the sequence "Shift+R" can I set it to press Shift+R followed by 4? I hope thats not too confusing lol. Right now it's activating 4 after about 5 or 6 sequence triggers when I hold the trigger key down.

[pure salmon]

yes you can i actually developed a bugfix specifically to do that on 1.0.1

i think

[late moon]

mind telling me how?

[pure salmon]

the trigger keys get manually released just before the macro starts executing all the keys it needs to

[late moon]

Okay I need a sec to process that lol

[visual girder]

how to get macro for mac

like how do i download it

[shy lotus]

not atm

macos is in the works but will release at a later date when the macro engine and the config front end are 2 separate things. macos doesnt like the current way we do the app

[visual girder]

alr sounds great cant wait until it releases bc ik mac has been doing things to mess some downloads so it wont work properly

[shy lotus]

no its not the download. its the actual way the app works

[visual girder]

ohhhh

well thank you for responding quickly so i wont have to go on a hunt why it wouldnt work

[warm forge]

Is there any reason why wootomation won't work in a game but works fine checking in notepad?

[pure salmon]

this requires further testing, i think most games have their own way of processing inputs and the wootomation processes what windows gives it basically - meaning a game could perhaps grab the inputs sooner or some other shenanigans could happen

[tropic herald]

Is it planned for wootomation to get integrated into wootility or something in order to get saved in-board so It won't need any programs running background?

Or Is it even seemingly possible to be so at this point?

[pure salmon]

hmm

there are plans for something like that yes but current time frame is a bit busy

lets say it is also tied to the macos support as well

the app was designed in a way that would allow that though

[tropic herald]

I see, that's still very hopeful to hear. Thanks!

[warm forge]

Cheers. Would be great if u could get it to work, save running software for macros that take up a load of resources when u don't need it all - i.e. synapse (plus their macros break )

[thick terrace]

does the macro work well for games?

[shy lotus]

read the disclaimer in the link of the channel topic

[fervent otter]

How is it disabled temporarily using an appropriate function? And how would that affect the functionality of the app itself?

[restive dirge]

sorry if this has been answered before, but is there a way to set the macro to loop? press the activation key and the sequence loops until you press it again

[pure salmon]

not yet, that feature is open and has been thought of but its not yet implemented

[thorn lichen]

People would never make macros to use in games /s

[earnest bridge]

Sure - We fully expect them to. But they've been warned.

[thorn lichen]

There a way to force it to not analyze key strokes permanently?

[earnest bridge]

That would make for a ... non-functional app?

[shy lotus]

i think they mean the referred function to temporarily disable it

[earnest bridge]

But if you permanently disable the ability to read keystrokes (which you can disable temporarily), you break that functionality 😄

So no more AHK like key intercept behaviour.

[pure salmon]

turn off the app

it must analyse keystrokes to know what you press there is no way around that

[pure salmon]

Hey everyone, we just released 1.0.2 You'll get a prompt to auto-update when you next launch Wootomation! Let us know how the new bugfix update works! For more information on what's changed, check out: https://github.com/WootingKb/wooting-macros/releases/tag/v1.0.2

[candid peak]

I want to be able to make a macro for the CTRL+ALT+V action and route it to a single key, can someone help me with this?

both dont work for me

[waxen dagger]

V is probably still held down when you activate the macro. Try adding a key-up event for V at the start

[shy lotus]

wouldnt it also loop

[knotty sapphire]

cant have v as the trigger if v is in the sequence, hopefully one day this limitation is resolved

[candid peak]

Ah makes sense, but I’ve tried to use a different trigger as well but it didn’t work for me

[candid peak]

How would the sequence look like?

[knotty sapphire]

With the following sequence i get the following output but I'm not sure how an actual program would deal with the input

[sand escarp]

Hi all. I have a question for the developers concerning the automation macro wooting app

I appreciate the decision and design for it, however have you tested some custom macros to ensure that it doesnt interfere with other keys that might be pressed simultaneously?

[shy lotus]

as in?

[sand escarp]

Most common example I would see is holding down the W key and executing a macro on the 'k' key which enables it to execute twice instead of once. Have you tested to ensure that pressing the K key for the macro wont disable the rest of the other keys such as W in this example?

[shy lotus]

idk why it would disable them

unless you add a key up event for w

[sand escarp]

Unfortunately this has been the case for a lot of other keyboard macro software so I'm hoping the same mistake isn't repeated so that I dont regret switching out my hardware

[shy lotus]

you can use this with any keyboard

and try it

and use it

[sand escarp]

Seriously?

[knotty sapphire]

yes

[shy lotus]

yes

we might add special features for wootings but the base functions work on any keyboard

[sand escarp]

I thought it was exlusive to wooting keyboards only. Thats awesome

Ill try it now

[shy lotus]

nono we try to make a good macro util for any keyboard

keyboard specific macro stuff is a blight

[knotty sapphire]

There shouldn't be any case of keys being disabled afaik

and like tony mentioned, the only time you could run into an issue is if you set a key up event without later adding a key down event (cant remember if I added a warning for not closing an up event or not...)

If you do run into issues, then killing the app should stop the behaviour

[shy lotus]

the only issue i could imagine is k not triggering a macro if w is being held throughout as then youd input w+k which wouldnt be the macro trigger

[pure salmon]

it will result in you holdin W + K

it simulates pressing keys

and also -- releasing them

basically there is no difference between you holding down a key and the macro app

some games may interpret them differently though - that is due to the way where you hold a key you actually spam it, whereas the macro app just presses it and doesnt spam it

but then again gaming usage is discouraged because of various anticheats etc

[sand escarp]

Wasnt expecting this tbh! Did a bit of testing. It could be this specific keyboard, but when I set the trigger for the macro to be the same as a alpha key, e.g Q X2 for Q, the macro executed on every other key, but when I set it on a numerical key e.g QX2 for 7, it worked completely fine executing Q twice.

I am going to try it on another keyboard as I suspect the keyboard I am currently using is causing a few issues with the app

[sand escarp]

Absolutely nevertheless identifying hardware flaws and benchmark tests is pretty much what my life revolves around these days, so its pretty much a given for me to want to do a deep dive into these kinds of things in as many different environments as possible to understand their full capabilities lol

[sand escarp]

User feedback: After testing the app with two keyboards, it appears evident that the trigger keys only function properly with the numeric keys, which might have been intentional. If it is, in my personal opinion, it would be worth highlighting this to avoid potential mistaken expectations. When the trigger key is set to a key like 'T', the macro will only execute on every other key that is full pressed, which is a slightly odd.

[shy lotus]

dont use the trigger key in the macro

[knotty sapphire]

What kinda sequences are you testing?

For a simple paste text action, using single keys like "T" or "," works every time for me. This is without any delay elements.

For more complex sequences, well, I'm not a heavy macro user so I haven't tested those and am unsure of the behaviour of the execution in that case

[pure salmon]

it should execute only when T and only T is pressed

we will have more options tweaking this behaviour in future releases

[sand escarp]

The response feedback is great! I was using complex sequences to type out 5-7 letter like words and repeated keys.

[sand escarp]

Yeah for whatever reason, it only executed when a numerical key was pressed on the two keyboards i was using. I absolutely plan to test further, but I gotta eat and pray lol

[shy lotus]

report all dem bugs so david can fix em

[open tangle]

G'day g'day, before I report it as a bug, I'm just curious if I'm the only one experiencing a problem with AutoHotKey v2 hotstrings when Wootomation is running?

I have among other things a couple of auto-replacing hotstrings that gets mangled only when Wootomation is running, even if all Collections are off. It seems to mainly involves pipe characters, backslashes, brackets, curly brackets and parenthesis. Shutting Wootomation down fixes the issue.

Anyone having similar problems? Thanks!

[shy lotus]

in general its not really recommended to run multiple macro utils

id recommend just merging everything to one or the other

[gleaming rampart]

Hello there - do you guys know if I can trigger a Macro via Fn-key + any other key? Because for some reason it won't let me..

Trying to create a small autoclicker.. 🙂

[knotty sapphire]

With the way it's implemented currently, you can only have one "normal key" as a trigger plus up to 3 "modifier keys"

e.g. F13 or CTRL + F13

[gleaming rampart]

Shoot - oh well, I'll have to adjust my workflows then 🙂

But just noticed as well while testing: it fires a single time, when pressing the trigger button - ist there a setting for it to fire continuously as long as the trigger button is pressed?

[knotty sapphire]

From the latest release notes found at https://github.com/WootingKb/wooting-macros/releases/tag/v1.0.2

the thing you are probably looking for is the "on-hold" type of macro

this was something we wanted to get in for v1.0 but it didn't make it

[shy lotus]

well very simple reason: FN isnt a key send to the OS

[alpine cloak]

Anyone been able to get a left mouse click to work with this utility?

I'm trying to left click wherever my mouse cursor currently is, and then press enter

[shy lotus]

depending on the software it might not read simulated mouse clicks

if i recall correctly some input libraries can differentiate them

[alpine cloak]

ah I see. I was trying inside diablo 3 to make salvaging gear faster. Maybe it's related to something like "hardware cursors"

[shy lotus]

depending on the mouse and if it supports profiles maybe a profile where one of the mouse buttons makes it send leftclick and enter

[eternal eagle]

has anyone created a macro for PUBG?

or FPS games?

I'm curious as to what type of macro someone would create for FPS games. I have no clue.

[open tangle]

Wish it was possible but it isn't. Can't live without any of them :) I'll just manually activate Wootomation on demand then. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[shy lotus]

but you could just merged wpotomation into ahk

[alpine cloak]

I'm trying to make pressing q toggle spamming q until I press it again. I'm not seeing a repeat toggle feature. Where is it?

Also, how can I make the key led a different color when toggled?

Like how caplock becomes white when toggled.

[knotty sapphire]

"toggle" type macros are not available yet but have been noted as coming in a future update along side "on hold" type macros

[alpine cloak]

Good to know. What about led color on key lock?

[knotty sapphire]

That I'm afraid I have no clue about, or even if it's possible. Maybe in the future if the wooting team adds further integration between Wootomation and a wooting board then maybe? Or maybe using the Artemis RGB thing could work

But I'm not the best person to comment on this cause I don't know much haha

[shy lotus]

we have key lock colors. just unsure how far we want to take toggle macros changing colors of the keyboard

[wintry comet]

Is there a way to remap alt tab to something like CTRL TAB ?

this doesn't work

[pure salmon]

try releasing the trigger keys manually in the sequence

add both ctrl and tab to be released before the alt sequence

[wintry comet]

it's starting to work, but it doesn't yet switch to the app on ctrl release. I have to click it with the mouse, but progress has been made, ty

Ok, it works but only switches between the last two apps by adding a return after at the end. This might be all I need

[solemn cradle]

Is there no way to create a macro that triggers with two non modifier keys? I need to make a trigger with Spacebar+J

[wintry comet]

I think you need to use the key down and key up events for that.

[solemn cradle]

I'm talking about the trigger, not the macro itself

[pure salmon]

yeahh the trigger was purposefully limited for just one trigger key

makes a looot of questions and user interactions a lot easier

[solemn cradle]

So there is no way to achieve what i'm looking for? Maybe some way to manually create the key combination trigger in a text editor?

[pure salmon]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm welllll technically if you edit the json 😄

the input sanitisation happens on the frontend, not the backend so technically

but that brings a good point - maybe having an "unlock unforseen consequences" button for the trigger would be interesting

but i recall the issue was specifically that to get a proper modifier key anyorder thing going on - that will be bugged for sure if you change that

[solemn cradle]

Does the json use windows key codes? Doesn't seem to match https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/system.windows.forms.keys?view=windowsdesktop-6.0

[pure salmon]

no, we use our internal representation

reason is to have a portable json file across platforms

[solemn cradle]

[pure salmon]

https://github.com/WootingKb/wooting-macros/blob/main/wooting-macro-backend/src/hid_table.rs

[solemn cradle]

Oh thanks

[pure salmon]

you can find the list here

[solemn cradle]

Nice! Works exactly how I want it to now

[pure salmon]

nice 😄

[solemn cradle]

Thanks a ton

[pure salmon]

no problem 😄

[thorn lichen]

Anyone been banned in warzone for using double binds to a key/multiple clicks for one click?

[waxen dagger]

As long as every input is caused from your own movements and reactions, and have independent delays from each other, it is not detectable as a macro.
DKS for example can be setup to not behave like macros, in some cases it isn't considered a macro either.

Can you share how you have set up your binding in question? That might give us better judgement if you're looking for that

Otherwise, most gamedevs consider "a single keypress performing multiple actions" as a macro

[thorn lichen]

Was just wondering before I made some stuff when I get my board

[waxen dagger]

DKS & Mod-tap can be setup in games like warzone as they don't have to be/behave-as macros
But we advise against using Wootomation for any game with anti cheat (even for non-macro use) as it is always going to behave like macros and is also very easy to detect from their end software side

[valid loom]

Yo I was wondering if i could make a modifierer make my leftclick to right click
when i hold the modifierer

[knotty sapphire]

Afaik that is not possible. The only thing you can do right now is bind right click to your left click button, but that's not what you want

Maybe in the future Wootomation could have a feature where you can set a hotkey to toggle a certain macro on/off then you'd be able to do what you want

[valid loom]

does anyone know a software that is capable of that?

[wintry goblet]

So I'm trying to add this macro with L-ALT + E as trigger keys which is supposed to write this : é

But nothing happen when I hit the trigger keys
I tried other sequences such as random letters in random order, which work, but it just does not for L-ALT + 130 for some reason.

I also tried other trigger keys such as L-CTRL + T but it still does not work.

Am I missing something ?

[knotty sapphire]

Seems like it should work to me, but why don't you just have a Paste Text action instead?

to paste é

[pure salmon]

alt key handling is pretty broken rn, we are trying to find a fix but it may be complicated

[waxen dagger]

You can use CAPS as a trigger modifier here, so that may give you a replacement workaround

[muted badge]

Is there a way to add macros to a single key instead of key combinations?

[pure salmon]

that should work shouldnt it?

[muted badge]

I can’t save the trigger key with only one key added

[pure salmon]

really?

hmmm

are you on the newest version? probably yes

[muted badge]

I’m on 1.0.2

Ah it can’t be a modifier :/

Is there a way around that?

[pure salmon]

yeahhh

hmmmm

uhm technically you can try to modify the json manually and replace the keycode

but ill rethink the approach to keys

[muted badge]

Can I bind my shift key to different key in wootility? And then add a macro?

Or I could just use rewasd i guess

[pure salmon]

yes and then change the key number code in the json file

but not sure if that will work properly

will try to figure out a solution

[muted badge]

Appreciate it

[solemn cradle]

Is it possible to have a macro be a down up event with multiple keys rather than sequenced??

I'm trying to make a macro in a single event be LControl+LShift+F1

It lets me do it for the trigger key, but not for the macro itself it seems

[pure salmon]

ideally you have to make it so you press down L control, press down Lshift, pressrelease F1, release Lshift, release L control

[solemn cradle]

I tried that and this doesn't work https://i.imgur.com/ajcwNgQ.png

[pure salmon]

try releasing all the trigger keys manually before the sequence, that should help

a fix for that is in the works and was originally intended for 1.0.2, but we have to rework it a bit better to allow users to change the default behavior at will, instead of forced by an update

[solemn cradle]

Not sure what you mean release trigger, the trigger is Spacebar+D

Oh you mean adding a release of the triggers in the sequence

Did not help

[pure salmon]

i'll keep this one in mind when working on the general fix

[abstract wind]

Is there a way to make a macro that only triggers when a key is held down? For instance if I want a macro to spam E, I want to be able to bind it such that when I hold down E, it spams E.

[frigid kiln]

Adding on to Guesso3o, will there be a repeat while held option and/or actions on release option, also will there be scrollwheel output?

[frigid kiln]

logitech has an on press, while pressed and on release section for every key in their software

[pure salmon]

not yet but it is planned

[frigid kiln]

adding on that will there be on release actions and scrollwheel output?

[pure salmon]

scrollwheel is something i even worked on during a weekend

and it turned out to be a bit difficult to implement in the way we structure our key events

[abstract wind]

Until that is introduced, is there a way to bind a macro to E and have the macro click E say 3 times without it triggering the macro again? Causing an infinite loop and not doing anything?

[pure salmon]

i think someone might have achieved something of sorts a bit higher up in the chat

[visual girder]

im trying to use this in fortnite but it doesnt work

i need it to open my inventory, press x, then close my inventory

it works outside of fortnite idk how to fix

[pure salmon]

anticheat probably kicking in

[visual girder]

it works with razer

[pure salmon]

interesting

there are some tradeoffs we had to make to make the app multiplatform and some bugs are yet to be fixed

either way, game macros are not something game devs prefer

[visual girder]

yea but they wouldnt know

and pros are using macros to their advantage

[pure salmon]

uhm how wouldnt they?

they have 2 anticheats running

[visual girder]

external

same thing as the chronus zen

[pure salmon]

well if its saved on the board and executed by the razer keyboard

tats something specifically what we are careful about even approaching

because macros are not fair for competetive setting - or rather there is no consenzus yet on it

[visual girder]

i figured it out