🎶│osu

[tropic jewel]

first

[meager void]

https://tenor.com/view/osu-osu-liveplay-osu-fail-osu-touch-screen-gif-20680336

[terse pewter]

Omggg

Yesss

Best discussion

[stuck oak]

wooting klein when

[distant wagon]

Holy shit now its there

[stuck oak]

no its not

[distant wagon]

Ya

[meager void]

This is what we call a prototype.

[terse pewter]

😖

[prisma turtle]

The lack of worthwhile content begs to differ

[plain sonnet]

https://youtu.be/MlgpyXeQf6o

cool, a place to put my scores

[deep shell]

Oh shit osu discussion let’s goo

[deep shell]

SS-type

[boreal nebula]

that’s what i’m sayin

[zealous hamlet]

Ah yes, the game I have been playing occasionally for the past 15 years.
My account was created on 2008-10-08 and I have been seeing my ranking slowly go down over the past 10 years or so with some stabilization if I have a burst of activity

[deep shell]

oh shit alumni player?

[terse pewter]

yeahh

Soo, anyone here have strong opinions on rapid trigger for LN mania maps?

[plain sonnet]

garbage

not worth it if you play ln charts

[terse pewter]

Hmm

but it's quit enice on the non-ln'ey parts

[hidden cypress]

🤯

[round hatch]

Just make your own buy hall effect sensors and buy 2 lekker switches, a bit of soldering and programming later tadaa you're tokaku now

[frail locust]

Keypad when

[round hatch]

Actually it would be funny, the problem is keypads come with a variety of switches to hotswap to, and the lekker switch is a whole different type of switch so you'd be limited to a single switch on a keypad

[grave island]

[terse pewter]

Why would you ever want a different switch

[frail locust]

cheaper and smaller for osu

[dense wagon]

I'd want one

mod tap, dks and variable actuation points would be very nice on a keypad

I don't even play osu or any rhythm games, it'd just make it more useful in general

[dense wagon]

pointless to you perhaps

[prisma turtle]

sauce?

[plain sonnet]

I have also been thinking about possible ways to make normal switches compatible with wooting kbs in general, maybe a extra pcb layer on the bottom with the hotswap sockets, would be very difficult tho considering how it's already a packed pcb

[frail locust]

I want both

[dense wagon]

make a kickass analog keypad and spice it up with maybe a display and some knobs/faders on there and I'd pay 60HE money for it

[round hatch]

I don't get stuff like knobs/displays/faders and stuff on a keyboard/pad ingot my stream deck as a macro pad which is way more customizable than some knob that might get in the way

[dense wagon]

well to each their own I like them a lot

[limpid vessel]

Woo osu channel

Gonna woot myself to top 1k

Joking

[dim wave]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457690843550056451/845807646627594250/caption-3.gif

[prisma turtle]

Can't be an osu chat without this weird shit

[plain sonnet]

fumo

[grave island]

[plain sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/rumia-rumia-fumo-fumo-fumofumo-touhou-gif-23980557

[dim wave]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/870858679640014898.gif?v=1

[prisma turtle]

🤮

[plain sonnet]

https://youtu.be/mvHCtRZAoPc

[dense wagon]

I swear all the animu voice actors sound like they 6 years old

just saying its a bit weird is all

[plain sonnet]

it's called voice acting for a reason?

Also certain languages have different impressions, some languages make the voice sound deeper and others make it sound more high pitched

[digital steppe]

bro a whole wooting keyboard is 200 bucks why would a keypad cost the same

Also there are a few benefits to analog like rapid trigger and durability

[digital steppe]

Well a steam deck is like what over 100 bucks?

oh didn’t read what u were replying to

[round hatch]

Dw, I just had the deck even before I had a pc (laptop gaming 🔥) and now I use it regularly because it's convenient for media controls and macro pads (I can also control discord or my Corsair RGB items)

If I had the choice rn I'd save the money on a deck

The downside of a stream deck is that it doesn't use switches so you can't really play OSU with it. When just using it the buttons feel good but with OSU they'd feel a bit mushy

[round hatch]

I know nothing about keyboard manufacturing, enlighten me

[raw nacelle]

The cost of a keyboard is primarily the PCB. The cost of the PCB isn't so much the raw materials that go into making it, but the overall production process; everything from R&D, tooling, line time, labor. Those costs are not much less for a smaller sized product. Indeed tooling in particular could be much more costly on account of a non-standard format product.

At the same time, the total addressable market for a keypad is substantially smaller than that of a keyboard. Therefore the same potential market share means far fewer units sold. This requires that each unit accounts for a larger share of the fixed costs.

That nasty combination of having roughly the same costs over fewer units sold means that it's not cheaper to make a keypad than a keyboard.

[round hatch]

Understandable isee

[digital steppe]

???

a 60% is not 200 though

It’s 180

[digital steppe]

Nah there is definitely a market for the keypad

[raw nacelle]

Certainly

But it's not as large as a standard keyboard

[digital steppe]

Yeah but it might be bigger than you expect wooting is pretty big in the osu community

[digital steppe]

Also I’m not an expert in wooting pcbs but for like osu you can get away with removing a lot of stuff

People only really care about rapid trigger and maybe adjustable actuation

also 1k hz

Any other spec is not relevant for play or is minuscule

[dense wagon]

am still hoping we'll see a dank ass keypad from wooting one day

it'll be pricey sure, but it'll be the best damn keypad on the market

[open ingot]

I like having a number keypad, hence going for the full-size keyboard. But I prefer the size and look of a 60%. Also owning a laptop aswell as a desktop, if I could buy a wooting 60% with a separate and matching keypad I would, so I can then travel with the 60% while leaving the numpad at home / or vice versa

[prisma turtle]

doubt

[stuck oak]

eh

i can see now with the rise of wooting being known to be reliable and good in rythm games

that there might be smth on the horizon

in like 10yrs

when 60hes dont sell anymore

they already did make prototypes altho non functioning

the main issue for not making them was the price point and not enough interest for a rather expensive keyboard just for osu or other rythm games

understandable tho as well... doesnt make sense to invest tons of money in R&D and prototypes when there is no potential market to speak of yet

[dense wagon]

keypad seems more viable than that, sure its a niche market but a damn 4 key controller is a niche within a niche

[prisma turtle]

Yeah if the price is similar to a full keyboard I don't really see the point (I know it's portability and space but cmon)

[plain sonnet]

if they can match or get slightly above the price of the Etsy keypads then I can see it being quite big

[stuck oak]

what do those cost?

60 or 70eur?

more?

if memory serves roght last time the price it would cost to sell such a product with 4 buttons was too high for the target market

[plain sonnet]

https://www.etsy.com/shop/thnikk

for the 4k pad it's 45$

Here's my idea for the pad
2 middle keys for players who like to play index and ring with a gap
3 keys on the sides for players who like to play index and ring with a gap but with a key in the middle

2 keys on each side for 4k vsrg players who need more space
Possible to play up to 6 key games

I'd also like to see a weight added to allow the pad to be used on unconventional surfaces, such as mousepads without needing a sticky pad on the bottom

it will allow for multiple types of play without needing multiple variations of the same product like many keypad makers have

[weary belfry]

Anyone using niz/topre for osu lel

[prisma turtle]

I used to use niz I prefer traditional mechanical

[round hatch]

7k players:

[dim wave]

[round hatch]

Tbh I don't think the market for a lekker keypad would be big enough

[delicate ravine]

Woot

[terse pewter]

Instead of one, make multiple small ones you can put together 🙂

For however many keys you need on the go

Small thingies in pairs

[silk juniper]

maybe make one a little larger but not too large. maybe lets say like 60% of a normal keyboard-ish. sounds like a decent idea to me 👍

not sure if thats been suggested yet

[wise verge]

Osu discussion.

[dim wave]

ohio

[dim wave]

https://tenor.com/view/bpm-osu-osu-players-heartrate-song-gif-25165963

the keyboard is amazing tbh, really want to try on std and ctb

and is crazy how mrekk set the record like nothing in save me lol

[raw nacelle]

Twice

[dim wave]

op

[fluid canyon]

rs

[young granite]

yoo

[dim wave]

https://tenor.com/view/the-wok-the-rock-the-rock-sus-the-rock-meme-the-rock-eyebrows-gif-23750956

[surreal quiver]

c

[raw nacelle]

He broke his record again?

[wise verge]

he did it with the wooting 🐐

[past widget]

did he regain the pp record after the rework?

I know there was the 1251pp Because Maybe pt 3 play but that got nerfed

[paper mica]

How comfortable is it to work with 6 keys in a row like that though?

[terse pewter]

It's a bit narrow for me, personally on the wooting two I use "A'' "S" "5" and "6" (numbers on the numpad) for osu

more ergonomic

[plain sonnet]

it would be quite narrow, for my own preference I prefer at least 3u of space, the idea is for 4k players to have optional extra space

a side benefit is it would allow up to 6k gameplay

[gray turret]

yea that got nerfed super hard down to like 800

[digital steppe]

It should just be 3 keys I don’t see the point in making multiple models for multiple play styles when both ring players and middle players can both use 3key

[amber zealot]

jesus christ

I cannot believe it has blown up this hard only recently, despite being out FOR OVER 1 YEAR

[digital steppe]

Kekw

honestly same this should’ve been a trend way earlier

unless rapid trigger is only recent

[amber zealot]

yeah you laugh, but I knew it was going to be busted ever since chyrosran22 uploaded the review of the Lekker edition over 1 year ago

https://i.imgur.com/0y8Zhdh.png

this was like whole SIX MONTHS before this entire thing blew up

[digital steppe]

same breh

do you remember me?

[amber zealot]

too bad I was broke ahh 1 year ago

[amber zealot]

university discord

[digital steppe]

yeah I was pushing a few months earlier too most people just ignored me though

Hey btw ur speech on osu university’s channel is really spot on

[amber zealot]

DUDE I FUCKING TOLD YOU GUYS

CONTACTLESS IS THE FUTURE

[digital steppe]

https://youtu.be/_KhDLQJ0-nc

yeah lol

[amber zealot]

dude my ego is having such a massive stroke

because I feel finally vindicated

[digital steppe]

You see to be one of the few people who know what you’re talking about

[amber zealot]

for stating the obvious that everybody else fucking chose to ignore

ok now I am actually really curious about something. hopefully one of the guys from the wooting team can answer

@zealous otter asking out of curiosity, how much of the keyboard total cost is due to the R&D that was needed to be done to bring the features the wooting two brought to the table? like I am curious to see how the price is distributed, because I've estimated that the cost of the individual switches alone is about $1-1.5/switch which is like $110 just the switches alone when it comes to the Two HE, and then the rest is designing the PCB, designing the logic gates and coding the microcontroller to allow analog sensing and output, then making a DSP to transmit the information from the keyboard microcontroller to the PC and then also software interface for customization of said features

I'm asking all this just to see if my thinking as a engineer in terms of cost to make the wooting from ground-up is in the right place or if my deduction was completely wrong

[zealous otter]

@amber zealot it is something I don't know anything of. I do have a general idea's what the total cost is of the board, and the margins. But it is stuff that is kind of confidential. So I am afraid, no-one would be able to provide you the exact details. D:

[amber zealot]

ah alright I see

it was more of a interest of mine as a student in computer engineering

[amber zealot]

it was moreso because I kind of understand what resources it takes to make a keyboard like the wooting with all its features and why it costs as much as it costs, and I've been having arguments with some people that don't interface with computer science as I or some other people do and I just wanted to be sure that I wasn't spouting nonsense, that was basically all there was to my question (I don't like to spread misinformation)

sorry if it was a bit too intrusive

[zealous otter]

I understand, no worries. Always feel free to ask, that's never an issue. 😛 I am just not too familiar with all the specifics. For my job it is mostly important to know the margins Wooting has for marketing purposes. So all the specifics aren't really relevant for me. 😉

[amber zealot]

alright, thanks for the input and response though; also keep up the good work, because people like you guys that actually bring new and actually useful stuff to the market is what drives the others around the market to change, and it feels so nice knowing that I supported the people that pushed the change to the masses (I've been Stan-ing contactless switches ever since I heard of them because I geniunely believe in the tech that drives them and their quality and capabilities, and you guys actually managed to utilize their capabilities to their full potential, I'd even go as far as to say that the HE lineup is probably the most responsive and best linear keyboard on the market right now, bar none)

I think it's about time that I make my post in the #archived_i_have_my_two_he

[mild heart]

Necro but I'm using a heavily modded hhkb that runs at 1khz

Most modern aftermarket controllers with QMK support will allow you to run at 1k

I used to have an abko keyboard that used niz switches but I never really liked those

I did try niz domes for the hhkb but those were also wack

I've settled on DES domes

[mild heart]

As in I bought a dome sheet from niz for 20 smackers and just cut it up 🙂

[prisma turtle]

Yeah the abko I have feels nice for typing but I absolutely despise them for osu

[plain sonnet]

ah yes killing off any mania potential, adding the need to make another version, the whole reason I thought of that design

[digital steppe]

so just sell a 7 key keypad then

why can’t standard players just play on that

[plain sonnet]

you say that but adding a spacebar would increase the overall footprint of the pad

its a hard balance having comfort and retaining the pads portability

its already cramped for people who would play 6k, 1u of space is not much

[digital steppe]

you don’t need to add a space bar just something slightly larger

Like a shift key

[lament hawk]

z x z x z x

[dim wave]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-surprised-hand-shakes-head-shocked-gif-24736992

[unique idol]

Here's an idea: make a matching but separate TKL and a 4x6 macropad. They'll cover:

• TKL lovers
• osu!/vsrg people (up to 6k players) for whom macropad is small/portable enough
• numpad/macropad on the left enjoyers
• people who mainly use full size but want the ability to detach the numpad
  Four birds with two stones — what's not to like?

[proper halo]

I think a lot of osu! players would be interested specifically in a 2key pad

Macropad would be really cool too

[dense wagon]

I want a real macropad/keypad, not some bastardised nintendo controller

2/4 keys would literally only be useful for this game and not much else

[proper halo]

That's true, but I wouldn't underestimate how much demand there is for 2k pads, osu! players are crazy lol

[proper halo]

Rebuffed in the combo scaling rework (Then probably going to be re-nerfed with the length bonus rework)

[gray turret]

i havent looked at that site for a bit is the length bonus rework a nerf or a buff?

[proper halo]

It scaled back the impact of misses and sliderbreaks a huge amount compared to acc

Aims to make osu! more rhythmically focused basically

[unique idol]

again, too niche and wouldn't be much cheaper than a macropad

[proper halo]

I would look into sales statistics where possible for 2key pads, because they sell a lot, but yeah, I agree that a macropad would capture a larger market

[unique idol]

a lot of people may want a 2k, not a lot would pay $100+ for it

[proper halo]

Yeah, that is very true

[gray turret]

so misses are less impactful to pp then losing lots of acc?

[proper halo]

Exactly yeah

And the length bonus rework will nerf excessive use of length over difficulty

[gray turret]

okay thats nice tbh

really needed

[proper halo]

Mhm, I finally get my 400 back lmao

[gray turret]

thats nice i dont really play longer maps

im a pretty big farmer ngl

[dense wagon]

still, those people could still use a larger macropad, you could even have keys grouped in a way that would be beneficial to the game

while still allowing a wide range of other applications

[proper halo]

That's true, but then you risk isolating other buyers

[proper halo]

That's fair, you'll probably get a little buffed by the combo scaling rework if your acc is decent

https://pp.huismetbenen.nl/rankings/queue/apollo_visual

Here

[gray turret]

i mean my top play is 96.3% but its 3 mod so idk

its the “confirmed changes” right?

or am i wrong?

[proper halo]

Combo scaling first, they'll roll out the others after

[gray turret]

and im assuming we are waiting like around 8ish months for another rework to hit?

yea my top only gets buffed around 20pp for both reworks

which isnt bad tbh

[proper halo]

Combo scaling is set to come much sooner, maybe 1 month or even less depending on the GitHub progress

Could be a laser-style meme where it becomes months tho

Length changes we don't know yet, they might choose to ship both in one update, which would take longer

[paper mica]

The R&D is hard to place as it’s not an isolated project and it shared resources over multiple keyboards. But we have spent a significant amount of time on the software development for both keyboard and pc side. Coupled with the electronic design. We spend also a significant time on software post release, as we don’t stop the updates/features. This is a bit difficult to place a number on as it is written off as operational costs and not an fixed asset investment or per product cost.

When it comes to manufacturing the hardware itself and the switches, there’s economies of scale that comes into play, so it isn’t $1 per switch in hardware. It is definitely 3-4x your regular per (hot-swap) switch cost that comes on top of a more complicated PCB design, more IC parts, and QC requirements.

[amber zealot]

ah I see; thank you for clarifying and thank you for entertaining the technical talk of a fellow engineering student (currently computer science student at a pretty good university in my home country)

@paper mica also, if you guys do decide to go through and attempt to make something like a micropad/keypad, might I suggest to make it something like 5-6 keys per total? this is because most people would only need as much, but 2/3 imho is not enough, because for example while playing the game, I tried one of those 1 year ago and found it personally frustrating having to use my main keyboard to pause the game (escape key), not having a skip button (spacebar), not having something with which to press enter (enter key) and it just had two keys for playing the game

I think that ideally this is the minimum it should have

[terse pewter]

I mean, the enter, space and escape don't have to be positioned there

[amber zealot]

I placed them like that cuz that's the movement that I'm accustomed to using while using a regular keyboard

but you get the ideea

it was super annoying and uncool

[dim wave]

I'm pretty sure they already have a prototype, though Im pretty sure they said it takes too much to produce and there's too little buying it

[terse pewter]

this would also be cool

like you'd have multiple little 2 or three key modules you can 'clip' together

would still be extremely expensive

but as least people would just buy however much they want for the games they play

[amber zealot]

I wanted to throw out my ideas if somehow they do decide to go through with it (it's more of something to keep in mind, because realistically speaking, if you buy the wooting you don't need a micropad because the switches on the wooting are already durable as it is and I don't see why you would want to have a separate mini-keyboard)

[terse pewter]

(i.e. league of legends needs at least 4 of these, your average shooter 3, osu mania 2 etc.)

[amber zealot]

at that point you might aswell buy the whole thing

[terse pewter]

to carry it along

[amber zealot]

the 60HE is portable for that

[terse pewter]

I go to lan parties regularly, and laptop + keyboard weighs something

[amber zealot]

like 60% are super small

[dim wave]

idk why you would buy a 2 key version

[stuck oak]

just use other wootings as macropad ez fix. see this is my work setup

[terse pewter]

Osu standard

[terse pewter]

why didn't I think of that

[dim wave]

Real

[terse pewter]

Two Wooting ones for good measure

or wooting one HE confirmed? :0

[amber zealot]

those are all the iterations from prototype, to One to Two and then the Lekkers?

[stuck oak]

lol thats from last year

my 2 60hes arent on it either

[stuck oak]

its a preproduction w1, production w1, kickstarter w2, w2 lekker edition and w2he

since then a pvt 60he and 60he arm got added

[amber zealot]

I bet you guys must be spammed with requests to bring in a TKL version, amirite? cuz like in my circle of friends where I recommended it, a bunch of them said something like "if only they did a TKL, I'd preorder right now"

[amber zealot]

I see

[terse pewter]

I only have w2 lekker, kinda want a 60he, but no monies

[stuck oak]

altho the 60he arm is currently used by mansen

[digital steppe]

the main purpose of buying a keypad is cause it’s cheaper than a full keyboard

At that point just buy a keyboard lol

[amber zealot]

but in this case it'd cost about as much as a HyperX origins

[digital steppe]

with the modules?

[terse pewter]

it could be cheaper if made in large enough quantities

I think

[amber zealot]

not really

[terse pewter]

Calder knows about the economics here

[amber zealot]

@terse pewter

[terse pewter]

it would be relatively cheaper

[amber zealot]

as calder said, it'd be 4-5x as expensive compared to your regular contact-based boards

[terse pewter]

relatively more expensive *

my bad

[amber zealot]

a keypad retails for how much?

[terse pewter]

ehh

[stuck oak]

20

if we talk normal numpad keypad

[terse pewter]

idk 2 key keypads are on sale on aliexpress for lke 3 euro

[amber zealot]

yeah so going by calder's statement

[digital steppe]

but the probably suck for osu

[amber zealot]

it'd be like $100

for a proper keypad

[dim wave]

why would you need a 100$ keypad

[stuck oak]

i mean the wooting klein (just a nickname the community gave it) with the 4 buttons thats pinned here was estimated around 80-100 iirc

[dim wave]

at that point just buy a 60he

[stuck oak]

my memory could serve me wrong but it wasnt produced as the target market of osu players deemed it too expensive

[amber zealot]

yeah, I too know kind of what it takes to build something like that with the features of the wooting

[digital steppe]

honestly

[dim wave]

Wait tony youre apart of the wooting team now?

[amber zealot]

@terse pewter

there you have it

[terse pewter]

yepp

that's fair

You'd need to make it more attractive to a larger range of customers, enabling it to be a bit cheaper

but mèh

pipe dreams

that's for later

[stuck oak]

i mean maybe now with the arm mcu (which is quiet cheap compared to the avr mcu) there might be some small cost savings

but i cant imagine it to be massive

[dim wave]

How is arm cheaper but better?

[amber zealot]

I sort of wish more people wouldn't talk out of their ass like they know how to deck-out a keyboard with contactless switches and also be top-spec in terms of latency and other stuff and then say " I CaN't WaIt FoR ChInEsE CoMpAnIeS To MaKe BoOtLeG AnD ChEaPeR VeRsIoNs Of ThEm"

I'm looking at you, Abyssal

[stuck oak]

the amount its used means its produced way more and the quantity drops cost per piece

[dim wave]

Oh I see, thanks for the explanation

[amber zealot]

https://twitter.com/abibsal/status/1587917480906956803?s=20&t=kgOq9nkha19LzJdGDm6dRA

Abyssal 🐐 🐐 🍍 🍍 (@abibsal)

why spend this money when u can just wait 6 months for random chinese companies to start making these at 1/5th the price with essentially the same quality

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Twitter · Nov 2, 2022, 9:20 PM

like, motherfucker

you don't know anything about R&D

it makes me so mad

when I see stuff like this spreading around like wildfire

like I'd even go out on a limb and say that the Wooting IS CHEAPER

than the alternatives to analog switches rn

[dim wave]

Fr

[amber zealot]

For example:
Razer Huntsman Analog- $230-250
Steelseries Apex Pro (not really analog but still analog capable)- $250
Corsair K100 (OPX Optical non-analog switch) - ~$250

like gimme a break

[digital steppe]

why would you buy it off eBay anyways 💀

[dim wave]

lol fr

[amber zealot]

FOMO

if I had to guess

[digital steppe]

for like 5x the price

[amber zealot]

I mean I came kinda close

I bought mine like before all this drama happened

because I trust in the tech that the <@&375234916776017933> is implementing

[digital steppe]

u could still preorder well after that

[dim wave]

And those aren't even close to being as good as the wootings keebs

[digital steppe]

I ordered mine like a month after the drama

[dim wave]

I ordered in like august

[amber zealot]

they don't like the idea of waiting 4-6 months for the keyboard like from october till march

[dim wave]

Patience

[amber zealot]

top players don't know what patience is

in their eyes

[digital steppe]

osu players definitely don’t know what patience is

[amber zealot]

they need to get good NOW

[dim wave]

the keyboard won't make you better but it'll increase your skill ceiling

it's just a keyboard

[amber zealot]

it depends

for example when I went from Corsair Strafe with Cherry Mx Silents to Razer Huntsman Elite with the linear optical reds version 1

[dim wave]

you still need to be good at the game to make it worth it if it's your focus lol

[amber zealot]

I could do shit I couldn't do before

because the switch was light as fuck and super responsive

so like I was able to do crazy stuff

[dim wave]

If you go from a membrane to the 60he then maybe

I'm used to use silver speed and them are quick asf too

[amber zealot]

man these things are now scratchy as all hell for me

I cannot use a linear switch without it beeing contactless

because I immediately can feel the scratchiness in them

[digital steppe]

not really

for osu at least

[dim wave]

You need to be good to use the keyboard to it's fullest potential

[amber zealot]

https://youtu.be/inycNVB1hSo like take a look at my arguably best play

[digital steppe]

when I changed to black switches my speed went up like 25%

[amber zealot]

I couldn't do this

[digital steppe]

And I’m 6 digit

[amber zealot]

with my previous keyboard

it was physically straining me

[digital steppe]

damn wtf

[dim wave]

What does 6 digit mean, i don't play osu

[dim wave]

I did the same from blue shitty outemu to silver speed corsair

the game feels better but I'm not hitting luv lama dt

[digital steppe]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dim wave]

osu have a ranking based on performance points, you earn them playing maps, the higher the combo, accuracy and difficulty, the more you get and climb in the ranks

[digital steppe]

Just cause you didn’t experience a difference doesnt mean everyone won’t

Weighting and feel of the switches can heavily affect your technique depending on how you play so experimenting is worth while

[digital steppe]

top 1million

[dim wave]

I see thank you

[amber zealot]

https://www.twitch.tv/cristi2708/clip/MoldyAttractiveTapirVoHiYo?filter=clips&range=all&sort=time yet another example

[digital steppe]

this probably applies to like shooters though

[dim wave]

https://link.issou.best/wG6Rd

I'm 40k

[dim wave]

Yeah

[tardy frost]

https://clips.twitch.tv/FurryFunnyGnatKreygasm-ApECM-KYyoGsT45w
@paper mica look where the level of maturity drops when you aren’t there for the live stream hahahahhaha I was soo busy at work tonight I missed stream and chatting with everyone… I’m watching the VoD now and caught this clip for everyone hahahahha

[hidden cypress]

😭

[tardy frost]

A hilarious moment from tonight’s live stream on twitch - Sander and Erik discussing their thoughts on OSU

[dim wave]

taking in mind how ranks works based on % and competitive games, being a 5 digits it's likely being in diamond

the top 99.999 is 0.61% of the total accounts

and the top 999999 is 6.13%

and skill difference between the top 0% and 1% is extreme

[plain sonnet]

you still need to be a good player regardless, more specifically a stream player

[dim wave]

https://tenor.com/view/chen-fumo-fumofumo-mofumofu-zoomiefumo-gif-21861786

[dim wave]

u know that for league, one of the biggest games only the 1.5% of the playres are diamond or more?

the feeling that you're not that good it's cause how distorted is our vision as higher ranked players

that's why I say accounts, but dude, theres just few people that can match you

[plain sonnet]

I'm low 4 digit mania and I still feel trash

maybe I'm just really harsh on myself

[dim wave]

yeah, I realised that if you look the average, being even a 5 digit is insane

also, players who left the game by a lot of time doesn't count on active players per country, so according to 2021 year in a month you have 18,202,420 active players

active ppl on a week is around 300k

[paper mica]

Sander country boy jokes 😂

[valid estuary]

I love wooting

[odd stump]

[valid estuary]

osu

[odd stump]

No

[valid estuary]

ADD THE BOT FOR OSU PLAYERS

[marble atlas]

owo

[amber zealot]

@solid veldt you should DM the mans mark and maybe tell him that he can place lighter springs inside the switches, since he might like it lighter

[solid veldt]

he isnt doing all that to much effort

[quaint ibex]

yo bro

[stuck oak]

no we dont. settings arent sent anywhere except when exporting them. even then there is no identifying data attached to profiles unless you name it in a way that identifies you

[dim wave]

Maybe try asking him on twitch(?)

[prisma turtle]

more ppl need to post their profiles on wootbase

[mild heart]

It's over 20 million now iirc

Just did some excel magic and just the top 50 countries have 20.5mil active players

Csgo has a monthly playercount of roughly 37 million

So osu is ~ half as popular

[dim wave]

that's why I said being even a 6 digit is something to be proud if you do the maths xD

[solid veldt]

mrekk was using the config i gave him at one point

[mild heart]

6digit is top 5%, 5digit is top 0.5% and 4digit it top 0
05%

[solid veldt]

not sure if he is still using it

i think he is

[mild heart]

Pred in apex is 0.1%

So being 4digit in osu is like being top350 pred in apex

[dim wave]

and the difference between 4 digits and the top 1 (basically still 0%) is ridiculous

[mild heart]

Since there's 750 preds on pc

The 0.1% is from Apex legends status

Interestingly enough that means last apex ranked split only had 750000 players??

That can't be right

I must be doing the maths wrong right?

[dim wave]

you're saying that's too low?

cuz not all the players play ranked matches I guess

instead in osu everyone is forced to be ranked

if they play

so the maths are always clear

[mild heart]

Yeah i guess

Anyways that means being 20k in osu is equivalent to being pred in apex

66k is master

[dim wave]

I'm in the top 0,2%

[mild heart]

And top 600k is equivalent to being diamond

[neat timber]

💀

[zealous hamlet]

I was in the top 700 once, back before the performance based scores in the early 2010's

[proper halo]

Fucking ancient human over here

[zealous hamlet]

Started playing in 2008 but I just play a few bursts a year

Was still in high school back then

[proper halo]

I see I see, I joined in 2016 and I feel like a veteran, can't even imagine joining in 2008

You must laugh at this idea lol

[dim wave]

jesus

[zealous hamlet]

Basically I enjoyed Elite Beat Agent and the Ouendan games on my DS and a classmate of mine pointed out there was a pc port which instantly hooked me>
But yea 2016 was long after I stopped being really active

[dim wave]

I'm since 2015

[zealous hamlet]

If I knew about it in 2007 I would have been even earlier

[dim wave]

I started playing osu because my gf told me in 2013 but I never made an account

then in 2015 I come back to play ctb

[zealous hamlet]

Never really got into ctb and mania. when dedicated maps for those first hit the game I was already over my peek of play

[proper halo]

Ahh I see lol

Damn

[dim wave]

I made to reach the top 300 in ctb but I quitted to play std and learn the other modes, I'm just enjoying the game rn since I quit ctb

[proper halo]

That's fair yeah

[quaint ibex]

yoooo brooo

can you slide it over for a G

you know what I mean

[glass nexus]

0.5 activation with 0.5 rapid trigger feels nice

[solid veldt]

e81327fc1fe5bcfa05a2962ad8fb39d4821b

[quaint ibex]

Bro thinks im on that npc type stuff

🤞🏿

[solid veldt]

thats the profile code lol

you just insert it on the insert profile button on the right next to create profile

it had a different code before bc i hit share on the profile again so it gave me a new one but its the same one i edited to the code i gave him anyways

[dim wave]

arent the only relevant settings actuation point and rapid trigger on

for osu that is

[prisma turtle]

yes but talking generally

[formal sentinel]

can't wait to get my keyboard in two weeks i recently already improved my streaming capabilities to 220 bpm 200 notes

can't wait to see how much the wooting improves the speed

[dense wagon]

don't expect the wooting to magically make you better or you'll be disappointed, as with many other things a lot of it is down to technique

[dim wave]

im just a technology enthusiast who happens to play osu and have a few other reasons to want the wooting

so i wont be disappointed

but i gotta wait til late december-early january

[formal sentinel]

i switched between so many keyboards i know already it wont make any faster but i use a stream technique that i noticed on my friends wooting would bring me up to 250-260 bpm

[gray turret]

the wooting magically makes you more consistent lmao which is technically making you better at those skills all around

[formal sentinel]

it really doesn’t if you lift your hand fully when tapping it doesn’t make any big difference to a cherry red

its mostly good for people who dont lift their fingers fully

thats why he said its about technique

[gray turret]

i feel like the low actuation point has a thing for jumps for me at least especially when i used the apex pro

just 0 finger control is doable on the apex pro because you have to lift so high since you gotta go above that actuation point

but yea technique for streams for sure

but if ur not lifting ur fingers how are you really streaming on anything else?

other then the wooting

[formal sentinel]

apex pro 3mm acuation point

idk when i did that but now i got used to it

just sometimes i dont lift high enough and thats when i lose

thats why im hyped about the wooting

[gray turret]

yea i dont really have a issue with the cherry reds except the actuation point

[formal sentinel]

idk i feel like high actuation points are only good for jump maps

but i hate jump maps

xD

[gray turret]

lmaoo yea im a jump player so it kinda makes sense why i like it

[formal sentinel]

they're to boring for me

[gray turret]

depends what jump maps your playing

[formal sentinel]

tech and stream maps all the way

:D

[gray turret]

yea since i switched to tablet ive been playing tech

its so much easier on tablet

[formal sentinel]

idk i can play all maps up to 7* with mouse and tablet equally as good

[gray turret]

i played mouse for like a year and a half then started tablet 2 months ago

and tablet i can do mostly what i did on mouse already

whats ur profile btw

[formal sentinel]

currently restricted haha

im waiting still for the restricted time ^^

[gray turret]

ohh how did you get restricted

[formal sentinel]

its been 3 years but i just love the game so idc

[formal sentinel]

when i started working i wanted to quit cookiezi style

lmfao

so just cheated for a bit to get banned on purpose

that was i think 2019

or 2018

peak rank 429

[gray turret]

damn how much pp was that back then?

like 8 or 9k?

[formal sentinel]

bruh idk i think around 8-9k

[gray turret]

yea i assumed so

pp inflation is real

[formal sentinel]

that was before sotarks tho

so it was actually an acomplishment

nowadays idc anymore about pp

im happy if i make some nice plays

thats why im waiting on my appeal time

[gray turret]

yea ever since i switched to tablet i dont really care for pp

[formal sentinel]

i get to write mine on the 08th of january

[gray turret]

before i switched though i was going for horrible kids 4 mod

and got a 2 miss

[formal sentinel]

so 2 more months wait time

^^

[gray turret]

nice thats good

[formal sentinel]

just gonna use the 2 months to train wooting technique

[gray turret]

hopefully wooting goes well for you

[prisma turtle]

Any of you osu people - do you guys use your tablet to write? If so which program do you use? Need recommendations

[gray turret]

i draw stars in osu

[dim wave]

[prisma turtle]

Osu community helpful as always

[dim wave]

I never tried using the tablet for anything than just osu and drawing so

[unique idol]

give xournalpp a try

[formal sentinel]

i use my graphics display for that sorry

and i just use photoshop lmao

[digital steppe]

how would other features affect gameplay?

[prisma turtle]

you didn't understand what I was saying maybe I phrased it badly

[digital steppe]

sorry could u elaborate?

[prisma turtle]

I was saying I'd like people to upload their profiles to wootbase even if for osu not much really matters in terms of setting for other games there are more factors so it would be nice if more people did that

[digital steppe]

I see my bad

[plain sonnet]

at the cost of finger control

[gray turret]

my finger control was pretty good on it tbh

[dusky jewel]

if your reading is good enough it shouldnt matter tbh

if anything it lowers the chances of fingerlocking

(of course it will be worse before getting fully accustomed)

[dim wave]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-simply-a-difference-in-skill-frog-dancing-skill-gif-21877908

[plain sonnet]

finger control is different from reading

[dim wave]

it's just a keyboard

[gray turret]

balls

[dim wave]

https://tenor.com/view/youmu-fish-lazy-gif-18097101

[gray turret]

[prisma turtle]

I'll give it a shot
thanks

[gray turret]

give me a shot🫣

[prisma turtle]

I'm guessing that would be illegal

[digital steppe]

huh?

what does reading have to do with finger control

[dusky jewel]

pattern processing

[dim wave]

u need to read the circles to click the circles

[dusky jewel]

if the pattern is complex enough to be hard to execute physically then its usually also complex to read

most people getting into finger control because of tournaments lack the reading and not the tapping

[digital steppe]

I process finger control patterns just fine

it’s difficult to tap

That’s why it’s called finger control

[dusky jewel]

most alt maps require aim control and a lot of people struggle on those because of reading

every control skillset needs a higher amount of reading than average

[dim wave]

game is just reading

[dusky jewel]

honestly true, most people just get by with the bare minimum

[gray turret]

i cant read

i can only read up to 2 sadly

[dim wave]

buying a new keyboard isn't gonna make you fc image material dt if you can't even pass chika chika dt

[gray turret]

nah if i buy a 360hz monitor and a wooting and a ctl472 i must be able to drop a 1k

[prisma turtle]

is the ctl 472 the new hotness?

[dim wave]

bamboo gang

[prisma turtle]

I guess my ctl 480 is outdated now

cth 680 too

[dim wave]

ctl 480 is intuos right?

[prisma turtle]

this one 680 is the big version

[dim wave]

chair dif

[prisma turtle]

I don't even play osu lol

only time I open the game anymore is to map a tiny bit

[dim wave]

I still have fun

I'm also a nuv

[dim wave]

472 and 480 are basically the same

doesnt matter

[torpid ivy]

As someone who owns both the only real differences are the pens, surface textures and the 400s having a surface tent upward

Most tablet GUIs don’t really make them play that much differently

[prisma turtle]

Works very well thanks for the suggestion

[round hatch]

Gyze what BPM is the metronome doing (only true OSU rhythm game gamers can see this one)

[tardy lion]

205bpm?

@round hatch

[round hatch]

So close yet wrong

It's blue zenith bpm

[lament fossil]

228

[dim wave]

https://streamable.com/24d4kp thanks wooting

[dim wave]

wooting speed trigger feel's like made for osu

[nocturne heart]

Honestly that the only reason why I bought a wooting keyboard rather than anything else 😁

[dim wave]

changed from mid to early Jan

[nocturne heart]

Same batch but not for me 🥲

[dim wave]

I bought air freight and UPS

want the keeb rn

[nocturne heart]

That must be bc I took airfreight with basic delivery but yeah I want it so much

[dim wave]

[deep shell]

Soon the speed meta will be real

[dim wave]

I was a hdhr gamer but speed it's also cool to play

[deep shell]

Same actually am playing DT mainly now

[sleek orchid]

wtf so specific

[nocturne heart]

For me it's DT and I try to go most on DTHR

[sleek orchid]

ar11

so wide

[deep shell]

EU-bliksem batch also proud 🇳🇱

[sleek orchid]

im eu bin!

[deep shell]

Yooo lets goo

[sleek orchid]

but im in aus

so expected to wait a bit longer hah

[deep shell]

Oh that's why

[sleek orchid]

yup

when did you order?

i ordered late sept iirc

[deep shell]

I did order it early august

[sleek orchid]

dang

[plain sonnet]

that's like 17 days lol

[sleek orchid]

ik

just wide comparatively

[plain sonnet]

not really that wide, comparing it to the initial release date for the first backers

[sleek orchid]

yea

i feel a bit bad just having bought it for driving games + osu haha

my custom keyboard is too nice to stop using as a main :p

[raw nacelle]

It's wide on account of your chosen last-mile shipping method being.... Inconsistent with delivery times

[sleek orchid]

Oh true

That would make sense

Express to aus was expensive so I'll live with an extra week or two to save $50 🤣

[karmic epoch]

Ordered mine a week ago or so, shipping of my bach starts ar March

[sleek orchid]

not the 60% i assume then?

[karmic epoch]

Full size

I want the numpad

If i was using it only for osu specifically sure i would take the 60%

[gray turret]

what do you use the numpad for?

[karmic epoch]

In other games, general typing and alt codes, etc

For example my main language is Lihuanian, and in order for me to use the "@" i would have to change language. So instead of ever caring what language is on i just use alt+64

And using numbers is just way more convenient on a numpad

[gray turret]

yea i guess ive only used keyboards for gaming so a keypad never has been a use for me

[dim wave]

my main hand is the left and I normally play with the directional keys but the wait is too long for the full size x_x

a Tkl version could be handy for

being left handed player is pain

[deep shell]

mrekk

[dim wave]

He's cracked

[karmic epoch]

pretty sure whitecat also is left handed

lefties are cracked in general 😄

[past widget]

us left handeds are just better what can I say

[terse pewter]

True

I'm the one exception to left handies being good at the game

[digital steppe]

why are there so many left handed ppl here

💀

[dim wave]

x2

[plain sonnet]

just become left handed, skill issue 💀

[dusky jewel]

same, kinda

[past widget]

I tried becoming right handed when I first got a pen because I didn't want to relearn tapping and aiming with a different hand but then I switched to aiming with left hand and got better

[limber swallow]

wa

[exotic olive]

left hand secretly is goated for aim

(real)

[ashen nebula]

i sure do like osu

[dim wave]

fingers gobrrrrr

[plain sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/etienne-etterna-stepmania-mania-osu-gif-26493470

[dim wave]

mania better

https://tenor.com/view/delta-epsilon-fnf-robeats-osu-gif-22323247

[nocturne turtle]

Brother I feel ya. I aimed with my right hand on mouse and tapped with my left, I'm left handed with a pen and tap with my right. I was around rank 200K when I switched and now I'm 35K lmao

I had to relearn everything

It was pretty difficult

[past widget]

yeah I went from 300k to now 75k

[dim wave]

Always had been left handed and I'm just 39k

[plain sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/chad-silly-fangirl-osu-silly-fangirl-osu-chad-gif-24707176

silly girl

[zealous hamlet]

I tried going tablet on my left hand but never got to the point I got better at it than using the mouse with right, so I stick to using my mouse.
I am left handed btw

Still for my use mouse and keyboard is fine, no way am I going to train myself enough to become better switching

[stuck oak]

use tablet right handed

[plain sonnet]

https://twitter.com/bojj__/status/1591809582468583426?t=W7YZlrBfTSDZdgINUC2n1g&s=19

boj (@bojj__)

tried adding jeff the killer as miss image, it did not go well 😰

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Twitter · Nov 13, 2022, 3:05 PM

[gray turret]

we need the osu bot in here

[zealous hamlet]

I could but I still have to learn to aim with a tablet and I just don't play enough anymore to make the switch

[deep shell]

Which one

[stuck oak]

ask latina mom to teach u. they can throw with anything

[gray turret]

OwO or bathbot

[plain sonnet]

https://youtu.be/ViA_hkn7lNE

[fallen sentinel]

any updates on this?

[stuck oak]

no the project is still shelved until further notice

[fallen sentinel]

alright

[gray turret]

osu chat is dead

owo bot would undead this chat fr

[dim wave]

when owo bot

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/670423781768036405/879844684413956106/tenor_2.gif

[wise verge]

im be wooting my shi

[dim wave]

https://tenor.com/view/osu-spinner-gif-20491591

[gray turret]

i swear i seen you in my youtube recommended before

[wise verge]

nah you havent

[gray turret]

i have

ur like top 200

ur insanely good

[wise verge]

well if i get the wooting i will get top 1

[prisma turtle]

No one talking about a cheater in owc

Osu discussion was a mistake

[potent dragon]

Anyone want lol

[gray turret]

any videos on this you can link?

or is this just going around on twitter?

[digital steppe]

u can look at the osu report thread

It’s pretty concrete though

[digital steppe]

it looks incredible brother

What’s it for though?

[dim wave]

they were banned b4 u even said that

[dim wave]

fia was banned b4 u even said this idk what u mean "no one talking about a cheater"

[prisma turtle]

I'm saying gigantic osu drama happens and no one here gives a shit lmao

[past widget]

we all here for the keeb

[dim wave]

Keeeb

[plain sonnet]

I'm a mania player, idc what goes on in standard

[past widget]

I'm a standard player, idc what goes on in standard 👍

[gray turret]

idk its not like like they got far at all lmao nothing detrimental to the owc

not like china or russia ever get top 3☠️

[prisma turtle]

I'd be mad if I lost to a team with a cheater on it

[gray turret]

i guess if you were involved its not cool

but like

ive never watched a russia match

or a china match

they dont make it far obviously☠️

[dim wave]

Fia cheated I guess

on the chinese vs russia match

or something like that

[gray turret]

yea and the russians got upset☠️

like they ever make it far😭

[dim wave]

imagine cheating in a tournament

[gray turret]

imagine cheating in a circle game

[dim wave]

[dim wave]

yeah no there's huge repercussions china still sent a team to losers and eliminated others

[dim wave]

actual big deal

cant undo all of it otherwise you replay too many games

[potent dragon]

I m very surprised by how not popular osu is in china

You would expect a f2p, low requirement rhythm that have all popular songs to be popular in china

[dense wagon]

they probably can't find a good way to cheat in it

[gray turret]

owo bot please

[plain sonnet]

wouldn't be surprised if it's outright banned in china

[potent dragon]

It's not

[sick vigil]

i think romania and russia play

they changed the challonge bracket

[dim wave]

yeah they undid russia china

they cant undo everything but they can undo a single set

[sick vigil]

Fia carried in romania and russia so ofc they revert those

iirc fia didnt even play in the previous stages

[dim wave]

o is that the case

[dim wave]

what is there to talk about

what kinda discussion do u see happening from the fact fia is a cheater

[prisma turtle]

idk seems like nothing is happening here no one talks about shit

[dim wave]

theres not much to say besides thats pretty shitty

[sick vigil]

ngl i was one of the doubters

[dim wave]

also not many ppl in this specific channel seem too keen on osu in general tbh

[sick vigil]

was pretty disappointed tbh

i bought a wooting for osu so ig im pretty keen on it

as well as the OWC

[dim wave]

i bought a wooting for multiple things but no arrow keys or waiting an extra 2 months for the two he kinda is shitty

i hate to repeat it but tkl

i will buy a 2nd wooting board if my 60he comes in then a tkl is released

[sick vigil]

what other reasons?

besides osu ofc

[dim wave]

i play at least 1 other game where mashing speed is relevant

however its an rpg with arrow key default controls and ijkl just doesnt feel the same

also new tech is just cool

[sick vigil]

true

[dim wave]

I also be buying the full size one later

[gray turret]

wait we can actually send clips

sick

3 month tablet progression

[flint spire]

Wtf there are actually cracked players on this discord

[latent fiber]

facts

[wise verge]

Crack

[gray wasp]

😍

[deep shell]

Is it the real luciano

[plain sonnet]

💀

[copper shore]

awfully late reply but it took me like 4-5 months to get better at tablet than i was mouse as a fellow l*ft handed player

it honestly just depends on how bad you want to improve with tablet

[wise verge]

u love the wooting

[zealous hamlet]

I play in bursts of a few weeks a few times a year, so yea it's not going to happen that way.

[sick vigil]

https://twitter.com/rafisosu/status/1593209647833690114?s=46&t=2ra-oW2VdIiuSHRhLv53bw

Rafis (@rafisosu)

Thank you! @WootingKB

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Twitter · Nov 17, 2022, 11:49 AM

Rafis wooting

[stuck oak]

https://twitter.com/rafisosu/status/1593322536183468032

Rafis (@rafisosu)

THIS IS INSANE LOL 873PP

Twitter · Nov 17, 2022, 7:17 PM

already going balistic it seems

[sick vigil]

i love wooting

[stuck oak]

in truth dont we all love wooting

[sick vigil]

mannn i cant wait to get mine

wish i could time skip to January

[stuck oak]

theres an easy way to do that. have fun every day and do stuff you enjoy. time will fly right by

[dim wave]

https://link.issou.best/oPNHL

[sick vigil]

rafis just called the 60he the best osu keyboard to date

wooting stocks 📈📈📈📈

[zealous hamlet]

Not that great a player but wanted to show around my level of aim using my mouse:
https://plik.root.gg/file/Lr7Usa7caZY7RHyc/IZEdoWs5irZmyYaH/2022-11-17 21-12-24.webm
Turns out after not playing for months and my second evening of playing I still managed to beat a top 20 score of mine and turn it in a top 7.
Guess without actually getting better I still have quite a bit of room to improve my score.

Also great no embed, guess I'll link the youtube one once it's done with its insanely show upload / processing

Only uploading at 6MB/s when any other random site allows me to get at least 100

I will add that in increasing it to a top 7 it also went from an A to a B but meh I don't care as long as it's above c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBz9m4-HymU

[torpid ivy]

I think that's already happened with most top players switching to it

[sick vigil]

rafis just choked 1k xd

[sick vigil]

you joined in 2008??

[zealous hamlet]

Yea, back in highschool, really enjoyed Elite Beat Agents / the Ouendan games on my ds and when a classmate pointed out there was a pc version a year later I was hooked

[sick vigil]

that is so sick

i wish i started playing around that time

[zealous hamlet]

I lost the screenshot but under the old score system (without pp) I once got to the top 600 or so just farming ranked plays.

A lot less players back then, that's for sure

[sick vigil]

wow

must have been before 2012 since thats when ppv1 got implemented

its cool that youre still playing

[zealous hamlet]

Slowly less and less over the years, just a burst of activity 2 - 3 times a year

[sick vigil]

still impressive to me, regardless

as long as you have fun thats all that matters

[zealous hamlet]

It's pretty relaxing to turn your mind of from time to time.

[sick vigil]

tfw you got 2 kudosu from Larto

legend

[torpid ivy]

I mean back then to be high in the ranking you had to play like every ranked map

Granted there where way less maps back then

[zealous hamlet]

Yes, exactly. Never got to play every map but it was the gist of it

Still if you were playing online top 5k players were just the average not a total newbie

I never claimed I was good.

[gray turret]

ur so good bro

[dim wave]

[verbal yew]

i cant even read that skin

[silk juniper]

it's an interesting skins that for sure

[frank dagger]

holy shit there's an osu channel in here

insane.

[flint spire]

Wtf its the real nick

Pog

[wise verge]

What is up wooting fam

[exotic olive]

I thought it wouldn't be bad but then I looked at it

That skin is uuh

Interesting

[verbal yew]

300s being visible, slider ends are identical to hitcircles. mega cursed

[tulip roost]

osu

[gray turret]

are you real

[silk juniper]

hvicks skin was super cursed but he made do to be fair

[gray turret]

rank 52 and 53 are here lmao

nice

[dim wave]

play offline

[gray turret]

play sotark maps

[dim wave]

offline

[gray turret]

offline is boring

pp is none

[dim wave]

click the squares

[sleek orchid]

no jordan is fake..

[exotic olive]

which one

[silk juniper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpwJSc2CdL4

his dt skin

his hr skin was fine but that flower skin he used for dt was god awful

[exotic olive]

well tbf it was very normal back then

[silk juniper]

not really, by 2016 everyone had moved onto skins which would be considered pretty normal today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrYUY76nSMQ

take rafis for example at the same time

[digital steppe]

sliderends 🤮

[silk juniper]

think by around 2016 the most popular skins was yugen

https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/365036?n=1

this one

think yugen was the first skin i tried that didnt have slider ends

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCHz8xbJALg

[plain sonnet]

yugen is what most people start playing with

[silk juniper]

think it had only been released nearly a year or so at around that time

but yeah skins like hvicks wernt that normal at that point

[prisma turtle]

the first skin I used looked like this

[zealous hamlet]

Yea some half made skin of mine, never bothered to finish it.
I personally like it quite a lot

Slider ends sure, could change that, never thought about it but it is something I got used to at this point.
As for the visible 300's I personally like to have them, but deliberately made the 100 and 50 very distinct in terms of shape / color to really not be problematic.

As for the slider end they are distinct as in either it includes a number or it does not

But It's not an optimized competitive skin, that's for sure

[dim wave]

https://youtu.be/C6XmjCXloLw

pretty sure this is doable with wooting

[rain spear]

I cant wait to try my kb on stepmania

[plain sonnet]

why stepmania?

[rain spear]

because I play stepmania

[sour eagle]

osu

[plain sonnet]

stepmania itself is quite outdated compared to ports of it like etterna

idk why you'd play stepmania itself when there's many great features that have been added in etterna

[rain spear]

yep ik but I use a specific theme on it

I have played etterna myself

[plain sonnet]

I'd assume the theme you use is outdated and not being maintained

[rain spear]

not really

[plain sonnet]

scwh?

[rain spear]

I use Digital Dance which is based on Simply Love, which is the one mostly all the ITG players use on their arcades

[tulip roost]

very real

[plain sonnet]

ah

[rain spear]

and stepmania is the (probably only reason) why I pre ordered the 60he xd

[plain sonnet]

are you after the rapid trigger?

[rain spear]

yeah

[plain sonnet]

its not the most useful for vsrg type games imo

overall it's a great board

just not because of rapid trigger

[rain spear]

yeah, either way, my current kb is a corsair k60 that I have been using since 2014

so why not try that one

[plain sonnet]

yea definitely a upgrade from that lol

I will say etterna did get a new theme called rebirth, should try it out again when you can

its a massive upgrade visually from tildeath

[rain spear]

ye why not, I could check it out

[gray turret]

[tulip roost]

[silk juniper]

https://youtu.be/QMahVbZLGho?t=4088
Rohan immediately starting working on 3d modelling of a new project that a certain community will be very happy about? osu keypad in early development? 👀

[dim wave]

[frank dagger]

i mean they've said that they attempted to create a keypad already

i wouldn't put it past them to try again

[prisma turtle]

The price for the end user would likely be too high

[gray turret]

i would pay 100$ if it meant i could get it faster for the game i want lmao

[prisma turtle]

You wouldn't

[gray turret]

i would

[prisma turtle]

You wouldn't get it faster

[gray turret]

i mean not as many people would want a keypad so I assume it would be faster

but im probably wrong

you dont gotta tell me

[prisma turtle]

If not many people want it they won't make it in the first place

[gray turret]

yea ur right and i dont see a point for it now everyone that wanted it for osu or osu mania has already bought the 60% most likely

including me

[plain sonnet]

doin a little bit of skinning

[sick vigil]

need that without mitty

[plain sonnet]

messed up the ending

would've been a 99

[gray turret]

i don’t understand how mania works

S just looks so unnatural there

[plain sonnet]

S = above 95% acc

[gray turret]

ooo thats cool

wish i didnt get shit on in std for missing once

[plain sonnet]

also

[gray turret]

damn

8 star nerf

[plain sonnet]

it's because of the long note spam

[gray turret]

still 10 stars is quite high in mania right?

[plain sonnet]

it's not high for vibro

for normal mania yes

[gray turret]

damn s ranks being above 95% instead of you losing it by missing makes me wanna play mania lmao

sounds more rhythm friendly lmao

but std has alot of aim to it so it makes sense

[dim wave]

Sexually transmitted disease?

[gray turret]

yes

[dim wave]

Oh Ok

Makes sense

[gray turret]

[plain sonnet]

singletap moment

100 taps

[frank dagger]

oh man

i haven't done this in ages

[dim wave]

hi

[gentle gazelle]

hello

[unique idol]

in lazer standard ranking is also acc based

[gray turret]

lazer is bad

not switching to it until im forced lmao

slider acc shouldnt be a thing

[unique idol]

imo it should be optional per map, set by the mapper

bc most of the time it makes sense

only a problem when it's used somewhere where rhythm is kinda vague

[gray turret]

it doesn’t make sense to me tbh because theres already so many ways to drop acc on a slider

[unique idol]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[polar lynx]

[acoustic zephyr]

slider acc should be a thing

[gray turret]

no lmao

worst idea ppy has had

[acoustic zephyr]

i suck at sliders especially tech bs

but the idea of it being a skill isnt weird, playing lazer feels good

have you played lazer recently

[gray turret]

yes

its bad

i cannot handle the slider acc

[acoustic zephyr]

skill issue?

[gray turret]

sure if you wanna say that

whats ur profile?

[acoustic zephyr]

https://osu.ppy.sh/users/124493

[plain sonnet]

clearly

[gray turret]

bro isnt even #1

[blissful peak]

slider acc sounds like a cool skill since there are some maps already making fun slider gimmicks

[sage vessel]

jesus

if only humanly possible

[terse pewter]

That's fast

[frank dagger]

slider acc was supposed to be a thing from the start

idk i'm used to it now since i've played a lot of tournaments

[gray turret]

it’s probably just something i have to get used to but damn it’s annoying because there’s already ways to drop acc/combo on sliders

[prisma turtle]

are u sure? I don't think the original ds game had slider acc

altho I might be wrong since I never played that

[frank dagger]

it did

that's the game i came from originally xd

[prisma turtle]

I wonder why osu didn't have it at first then

seems weird

[frank dagger]

honestly i'm not sure why either

i think ppy has said it was supposed to be there in the beginning as well

but i don't remember why it wasn't implemented

[frank dagger]

i'm mistaken