the relic bonuses dont give exp right
#Deadman Annihilation - 30 Jan 2026
left coyote
Yeah you're just a sitting duck, I think it works nicely for suicide setups though
shadow stone
ez
full epoch
Does anyone know if you buy the exp lamp that completes receipe for disaster, do you get the specific quest levels too?
Or is it just 1 lamp
quick field
Does anyone know if you buy the exp lamp that completes receipe for disaster, do...
what do you mean by quest levels
those quest lamps give no xp/levels
quick field
recipe for disaster doesn't complete the pre-reqs either
full epoch
thats fair
quick field
I bought the lamp just for barrows gloves
full epoch
im a bit confused what t odo, im at 6100 points but i need 18000
what would you recommend?
full epoch
okay sweet, i did 100 tempoross already i do want to do wintertodt but maybe later
rustic swan
Fight arena
full epoch
sweet ill do those thanks guys
quick field
doric's quest
full epoch
awesome 🙂 but i have 4000 skull points atm, should i use them on anything?
quick field
the aldarin murder quest
quick field
awesome 🙂 but i have 4000 skull points atm, should i use them on anything?
what do you have?
quick field
it is not
quick field
its the +75% accuracy to npcs
quick field
I did hunter. Kinda depends on what you're looking to do to get the most value
think I used one on prayer
rustic swan
I used it on ranged stupidly trying to be able to chin in b1, to not get 45 ranged until 5 minutes of protection left
full epoch
its the +75% accuracy to npcs
quick field
yes
alpine hedge
so whats meta for points outside of breaches?
tender ruin
log out
shadow stone
lmao free money
tender ruin
correct
quick field
you get 99 at like 30 todt
full epoch
2600 points left should i get anything else?
alpine hedge
okay stop at 30 then
tender ruin
Lot more value in getting some single kc here and there, or odd diary tasks if you want to rush points
Earlier someone mentioned mole, Diary task + 5x kc + 2 clogs
alpine hedge
outside of breaches i dont see anything better than temp tbh, its 20 pts per 3 min
mole great idea
tender ruin
Idk how aids clues are
full epoch
outside of breaches i dont see anything better than temp tbh, its 20 pts per 3 m...
wintertodt?
tender ruin
but lots of points there
quick field
I'm doing 100 scurrious to get my ranged up rn
alpine hedge
wintertodt?
how fast are todt games?
full epoch
how fast are todt games?
i have no idea lol, im planning to do that soon just need to get the clue hunter outfit
12000 points to go hopefully thats achievable
full epoch
insane points
i did try the last breach, but maybe bc i had the starter gear and starter mage it didnt go well
alpine hedge
right, but outside of breaches
full epoch
which gear should i be using for b1?
quick field
ye you gotta do a bit better than that
quick field
just do some scurrius
full epoch
oo okay 🙂
quick field
maybe hit some shit with starter bow first
shadow stone
quiver is 270k repair, fire cape is 150k. wtf these items are useless
full epoch
i hope i dont get to b2 with getting ranged up though
quick field
I just pay to repair my fire cape
full epoch
maybe hit some shit with starter bow first
sounds good!
quick field
cash is pretty free since swap rates are so bad
ly I was chomping at the bit to get my cash swapped out and this year I cba
full epoch
should i get the prayer sigil? that doenst deplete?
alpine hedge
yes
shadow stone
dude on like day 3 last year i got a stati warhammer, sold for 15mil, swapped for 75mil
full epoch
nice 🙂
quick field
I'd buy an attack speed and thrall sigil before prayer
shadow stone
this year, swap rates are terrible & everything is pennies
full epoch
I'd buy an attack speed and thrall sigil before prayer
oh okay
quick field
ppots are like 200 gp
amber spire
dragonstone bolts are better than diamond, you already have very high accuracy and dragonstone has higher range strength
quick field
does dragonstone proc on npcs
full epoch
I'd buy an attack speed and thrall sigil before prayer
do you reemmber the names or were they attune or something
quick field
you will have to read the sigils
amber spire
yes you also get an extra 14-20 damage 6% of the time
cunning bluff
im a bit confused what t odo, im at 6100 points but i need 18000
100 todt I guess
Afk 99 theiv
Museum
Dihsite
Knight sword
Eye of glouphrie
Enter the abyss
full epoch
Thanks Wizzy appreciate you!
cunning bluff
Turn your auto alcher on
full epoch
Auto alcher dang theres a sigil for that
amber spire
Make some gp with red chins, train construction, crafting and fletching to like 50
quick field
you should read the sigils page on the wiki
quick field
Auto alcher dang theres a sigil for that
full epoch
is it atroll to do trouble brewing for fletching
full epoch
okay sounds good 🙂
rough plinth
scurrius goated...
quick field
rough plinth
it is good xp
alpine hedge
do u lose bone weps on pvp death?
shadow stone
i have tbow
quick field
do any of the quest unlocks do anything cool
I could buy another tick speed sigil too
marsh barn
I imagine the bosses behind expensive ones aren't super populated
Vorkath prayer drops sound nice
quick field
ds2 lamp gives a million do nothing quests
could do myth magics 
oh I'll grab all the 5% to save resources ones
then probably buy ranged tick speed although idk if I'm going to use it
bronze crater
so whats meta for points outside of breaches?
diary tasks
nothing that would take multiple minutes to prepare for (quests etc) but so many are "go here do thing"
rough plinth
zaxe better than rcb dstone bolts?
quick field
I think so but math is for nerds
rough plinth
quick field
tough to say since b3 just got a big improvement
the breach was fine but I did gnome maze which is a good spot anyway
I run fighter, agression, swashbuckler with zombie axe
at the tight breaches you probably want a ranged weapon to tag stuff faster
I try to find a world with a light spot where I can actually hit stuff
like gnome maze where the mobs spawn in the maze
rough plinth
b4 is fine as long as ur not going to raids
quick field
there's a varlamore breach that's insane points but its rng if you get it or not
marsh barn
are b4 raid lobbies just perma camped by clans?
alpine hedge
theres no breach map right
quick field
don't think so
amber spire
so whats meta for points outside of breaches?
get 40-60 in every stat then go through all easy to hard diaries and do all the ones you can do with those stats without a quest
golden veldt
How are you guys doing 99 farming quick? Buying saplings, seeds, or spamming contracts till you have enough seeds?
marsh barn
I did what milkers said but buying is technically faster
brazen idol
buying prob fine yeah with how fast contracts are
golden veldt
I’ll have to check prices on how much it’d be to buy, I’m not sitting on a ton
brazen idol
can calc what you need and then see what it costs/if you'd rather spend that time doing contracts
shadow locust
calc is short for calculator btw chat
golden veldt
what about calq
shadow locust
calquat
golden veldt
Damn, couldn’t type /s fast enough haha
warm wave
holy chinning is great
went from 61-73 combat level during the 1 hour protection going from b1 to b2
quick field
d'hide starter kit
quick field
i'm close to my 4th kit
brazen idol
i'm close to my 4th kit
how many hours played (ish) is that
ig good amount less doable if you do breaches probably
brazen idol
it's that time across all dmm's I think
quick field
ya that makes more sense
quick field
ig good amount less doable if you do breaches probably
I'm breach capped rn
so 30k breach points and 18k reg points
brazen idol
fair then yeah
rough plinth
28k breach 
quick field
you're doing great
marsh barn
Just gotta get into a good breach rhythm and you’ll skyrocket.
rough plinth
trinket of fairies goated for clues
cunning bluff
I run fighter, agression, swashbuckler with zombie axe
Consider vigora
So cheap now
And not much pking
Idk if I want to web Weaver tonight or try that dh meme
amber spire
seems risky risking 7m at a breach
rough plinth
melee pray stays on next breach
cunning bluff
I don't have 5k for adroit
cunning bluff
seems risky risking 7m at a breach
I currently risk like 10m
It'd be 20m
I haven't even had a serious breach tank let alone a death
People seem more interested in pming the reset breach specifically
topaz cradle
prophecy coming true?
You basically have to now
modern moth
I've shown up to breaches in barrows rcb crystal shield etc and had people immediately jump on me and rag the whole time
Feels like black dhide msb ragbot is the way to go
rough plinth
in what bracket lol
modern moth
3
rough plinth
i bring that in bracket 4 and never been attacked
cunning crest
dumb question, where can i check old cosmetics and their prices
is it possible to check that ingame somewhere?
or just wiki
bronze crater
is it possible to check that ingame somewhere?
[[Nigel]]
sharp lagoonBOT
Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Nigel
bronze crater
On a regular world, not DMM
rough plinth
not bad
cunning crest
im on the half way
left coyote
How are you guys doing 99 farming quick? Buying saplings, seeds, or spamming con...
I bought ~100 teaks, then did the rest at hespori
cunning crest
i saw some do fruit trees at gnome stronghold
cold forge
I've shown up to breaches in barrows rcb crystal shield etc and had people immed...
Ye from my experience if I have anything more than a green skull I’m getting ragged the whole breach
But I’m in 60-80 so maybe people are experiencing different in other brackets
Maybe just sending b4 is the play, seems like there’s not much pvmer hunting going on
quick field
Planted some shit
rough plinth
i did karamja diary
quick field
Bought random allotment seeds
modern moth
rake and compost
marsh barn
Rake and compost yep
cunning bluff
I've shown up to breaches in barrows rcb crystal shield etc and had people immed...
This is like wearing Gucci in skid row
I do not endorse b3
rough plinth
native cave
Pack 'er up, boys. We got it
midnight galleon
gz
native cave
We don't have/can't spend the points until the event is over right?
sullen apex
correct
cunning crest
efficiency + remote storage + enhanced harvest + woodcraft
and we printin money lol
native cave
What's the margin on those? 750 to make, 1100 to sell?
cunning crest
yup, right
marsh barn
Thrall isn’t an attuned
gleaming hornet
can you do revs multi/single skulled during pvp protection?
for the hr
with lets say avarice ammy to force skull throughout the hr but taken off last 20mins
rustic swan
Should I unlock restoration for breaches before gunslinger/thrall?
manic lantern
How far off thrall or gunslinger are you?
We get some worlds back!
Ayiza with the win
bronze crater
when
cunning crest
oh finally
marsh barn
I wonder if b2 will be really good now from any leavers today lmao
marsh barn
Ayizawas tired of getting pked in b2
fathom idol
You get a 1 hr protection every time you move up a bracket right? So can I go up a bracket right before a breach and then use a max set but not be risking any thing because of 1hr protection?
twilit crater
Correct, you can also log out and do it 3 times
fathom idol
Perfect, anyone have any idea what a max set looks like for each bracket?
quick field
Knew i wasn't crazy about the loot
fathom idol
And the 5k cap isn’t per day from breeches right? It’s 5k per day that deadman has been going on so could get 30k points or whatever from breeches in one day at this point (hypothetically)
twilit crater
You still have to do the damage in the 15 mins the breach is up
quick field
And the 5k cap isn’t per day from breeches right? It’s 5k per day that deadman h...
Yes
quick field
You still have to do the damage in the 15 mins the breach is up
If you do damage at 16-30 mins you get points
But its unlikely to have breach mobs left alive after 15m
twilit crater
Okay fine, if you organize enough pkers to protect breach mobs from hundreds of people you can
quick field
Just saying its possible
I had it at a varl breach 2 days ago where we barely finished the mobs before the 30 min despawn timer
fathom idol
Right yea cool just no idea how may points I’d get using a max set and protection. Just wanna make sure if it’s possible to get 5k points in a day I’m not wasting my time but sounds like I can get way more than that in theory so in practice I just don’t gotta worry about it at all
quick field
At tonight's breach you'll be able to get up to 35k points if you're starting from 0
rustic swan
How far off thrall or gunslinger are you?
Like 2.5k off, maybe I can get it this breach
If I got pked with 8 hespori seeds on me where are they supposed to go?
I went back to Grave but they weren't there
rough plinth
no idea
rough plinth
even b4 got back the 2 worlds
marsh barn
Rip irl stuff keeping me away from this next breach it looks like. Now I’ll definitely need to 5 am it
rough plinth
still gotta do akd or bring undead trinket
golden veldt
any chance it was ever confirmed if thralls contribute to breach points?
probably not im guessing
midnight galleon
i think someone in here heard it from someone else that it does count
golden veldt
👀
midnight galleon
my recommendation is to ctrl + f thrall in this chat and look for it
quick field
any chance it was ever confirmed if thralls contribute to breach points?
I was chatting with some low bracket people who seem pretty confident that the thrall is giving cont because they're not doing enough dps to get the points they are otherwise
wispy mauve
w644 b3 zanaris
rough plinth
628 zanaris
twilit crater
b4 628 zanaris
rough plinth
west asg 686
twilit crater
b4 646 southwest legends
rough plinth
659 southeast outer fortis
twilit crater
b4 605 southern asgarnia
rough plinth
594 east zeah
golden veldt
where is northern kandarin? like piscatoris?
odd river
does nothing spawn at mudskipper in southern asg?
odd river
is there a fiary ring?
rough plinth
rough plinth
south of tithe
quick field
4k points at legends guild
kind bronze
bringing scythe to breach is a bad idea incase anyone was wondering
rough plinth
had my first death 😭
quick field
Mobs died fast but I did feel the increased hp at this one
rough plinth
after getting my first trinket
kind bronze
got less points than rune longsword breach
because I couldnt hit anything
so annoying
rough plinth
that guy was in full max
cunning bluff
only 4k points
hard to say if that's good or bad for a region
had to tele out a few times/tanktest so it wasnt full uptime
shadow locust
bronze crater
Kinda tempted to just not loot at breaches
bronze crater
Keeping low skull value so I get more points seems good
Not talking about uptime
Or only loot the end stuff at the 15 minute mark
I value the extra points from never banking or anti pking or running to a safe zone or regearing over a few mil DMM gp
Few mil highballing
quick field
Ya value skull management is important
kind bronze
anything to not have bolt raggers who can barely do a 2 way hit me the entire breach
quick field
Had a dude zombie axeing me and not even freezing me at the 2pm breach
rough plinth
i was a red skull in black dhide and rune
bronze crater
Like a t5 emblem does so much for your risk and so little for your bank
Might have to bank the mole slippers...
rustic swan
Fiancee asked me if I wanted to go to the gym 30 minutes before breach :(
5am it is tomorrow
rustic swan
for vork?
cunning bluff
yes
rustic swan
id wager dhcb
cunning bluff
and i assume thrall trinket won't work in vork like normal thralls dont
gleaming hornet
re revs doing protection
multi or single?
idk if clans camp multi in b4
and if revs die fast as ar esult
kind bronze
yeah
twilit crater
You can turn off combat xp at the ge chest to prevent that from happening
rustic swan
I think im just gonna pop up to t3 and have prot for my first breach.
Then use the remaining protection to chin
rustic swan
my accounts almost to the point where I just rag breaches for the next 2 weeks
chinning for 30 mins will pretty much get me to b4 I think
cunning crest
and even if not you can always go scurrius
quick field
I think the pker gets cash to replace the drop and you just lose the gloves but you can buy infinite
Guess ill do the 2pm on my alt
quick field
I was a b1 camper ly but im glad I tried something new this year
left coyote
Ye from my experience if I have anything more than a green skull I’m getting rag...
Atleast with scythe I got hit constantlybin b4. I suspect it's because the rest of my gear looked nooby
Was definitely not worth bringing for me
Wizzy probably looks too strong so people don't bother trying
slow hare
What bracket is everyone sitting in? I kinda scuffed my combat stats and not sure if it’s worth going to 2nd bracket for a few 99 combats
viral surge
i’m b2
got 60 hp 40 def 45 prayer and will get 99 range and mage
and just rcb breaches
slow hare
How do you make money for supplies?
slow hare
I haven’t really done any breaches yet since i wasn’t getting any points yet but I know they upped it for more people so I’ll have to start doing them
viral surge
you can buy stuff from the ge that's below alch price and alch it
robust junco
breaches and clues are good
viral surge
or buy stuff that's below floor shop price and sell that to shop
robust junco
just need enough for first rag breach set
then ull get enough money just doing breaches
fleet solstice
How do you make money for supplies?
If you're looking for something afk to do, killing cyclopses for rune defenders is super nice for combat training and completely safe
Does require someone you trust in the same bracket though
slow hare
Does require someone you trust in the same bracket though
Unfortunately I truly play solo haha
fleet solstice
How far is your account progressed?
slow hare
How far is your account progressed?
My current stats
Not sure it it would be good or not but was considering something like this for second bracket
fleet solstice
My current stats
Might sound stupid but orbs are like 5-6k each. Charging air orbs is like 2.5m gp/h
slow hare
Might sound stupid but orbs are like 5-6k each. Charging air orbs is like 2.5m g...
Not a bad idea haha
fleet solstice
Sure is not interesting, but if you're just looking for some gp to get started, it's cracked
When you move up to the next bracket, I highly recommend revs as well. It is insane gp/h. If you maange to get a task before the odds of getting a rev weapon should be pretty insane
fleet solstice
Not sure it it would be good or not but was considering something like this for ...
I just hit stuff and moved to the max bracket without optimizing my build. But 60 hp sounds rough in that bracket. Can basically get one shot anytime pretty easily
slow hare
I just hit stuff and moved to the max bracket without optimizing my build. But 6...
Yeah that is a good point
fleet solstice
And in terms of hitting stuff, each rune defender is 35k cash
Plus in a safe zone
oblique oracle
Creative
fleet solstice
Can't take credit 😄 Friend showed me. Apparantly it was ddefs previously which gave 200k each if I remember correctly
cold forge
wtf!
gleaming hornet
was on slay task too
with avarice skull
if craws bow and tham sells, i aint selling at cv as it crashed tn
prob like 20m dmm gp hr/close to it
gleaming hornet
I also left like 3m+ maybe more on the ground last 20mins lol
Had to take off avarice bc of the 20min skull
Avarice trinket doesnt work if only
manic lantern
I wish avarice trinket noted vorkaths bones
fleet solstice
I also left like 3m+ maybe more on the ground last 20mins lol
Had to take off av...
I just kept avarice and tped to edge. Can still bank valuable items outside safezone when skulled
Probably only unable if being attacked I assume
amber spire
Im looking at B4 647
twilit crater
b4 605
rustic swan
I'm gonna be b3 looking
Mobile breach let's go
Got the wiki page up for fairy rings
twilit crater
b4 605 ne sorcerer's tower
amber spire
B4 647 fremennim
rough plinth
686 west asg
robust junco
what's the spot to go for far east kourend?
tender ruin
b3 644 south asg
twilit crater
b4 628 northeast canifis
sudden light
Is Ortus farm good 🧠
tender ruin
b3 645 north kand
amber spire
647 fremennik im going
tender ruin
b3 681 ne lumberyard
amber spire
rustic swan
Where tf is northern kand
odd river
got 3k pts on 2 accs at the same time
rough plinth
got a weapon trinket 
warm wave
not too shabby (b2)
twilit crater
4.5k points ez thralls
warm wave
oh well
rough plinth
pays for my death yesterday
sudden light
Is Ortus farm good 🧠
Verdict is no, it's quite bad. Managed to get 2k thanks to changes tho
rough plinth
so close
tender ruin
corsair west is just literally everything spawning around the feldip spirit tree 
rustic swan
2k points on mobile breach not bad
amber spire
Ok I think kandarin soputh is better than fremennik
sudden light
Some lowlife ragged me for a couple hundred rune arrows 😔
rustic swan
Definitely gotta pay attention to what I hit as an msber
amber spire
lowlife101?
rustic swan
There were a lot of pking going on
bronze crater
ok the "bring level 1 skull risk and DO NOT loot anything until the 15 minute mark" strat worked perfectly
over 4k points that breach
sudden light
Ragging always the play
warm wave
ragging good yes
manic lantern
took tbow to bracket 1 breach, guess how it went
warm wave
shitters?
odd river
you died to 1 of the 100 shitte rpkers?
manic lantern
tender ruin
took tbow to bracket 1 breach, guess how it went
you now have another offer in GE for tbow?
manic lantern
ragged by my toddler haha
warm wave
rip
manic lantern
yeah i went and bought another
odd river
who could have ever expected to get pked in b1
manic lantern
5k points in that 1 bracket 1 breach though
amber spire
what breach was it
manic lantern
asgarnia
amber spire
were you able to kill monsters in a small group?
manic lantern
Ya, tele rimminton
amber spire
so you were killing htem inside rimmington?
sudden light
Mudskipper and Sarim are good for that one ime
rustic swan
Does wiki list where monsters spawn at breach locations?
I spent the first 3 minutes searching too north for northern asgarnia
sudden light
So fucking ass that the in game map doesn't show the locations
twilit crater
#1437548510718459934 message
sudden light
Oh yeah, is gunslinger working with msb working as intended? Got enough points for that now
rough plinth
doesnt work with msb
viral surge
wait wtf i was working out did i miss the breach 
sudden light
doesnt work with msb
Did it not last week
viral surge
that was the good one too right
sudden light
Yeah this is the least crowded time
sudden light
Ait I'll just grab some cheap qol stuff I missed
rough plinth
rustic swan
Holy crap how expensive are dragonstone bolts?
rough plinth
2.8k
rough plinth
if u pick up a few rune items during breach yea
robust junco
take off avarice 20 mins before prot ends right
at revs and only brought a ring fo ret
rough plinth
not sure what to do with my points now
tender ruin
buy all the things 
analog totem
can you spellbook swap with the skull while under attack by a player?
tender ruin
this is pure speculation: that would be too convenient best offer is at a bank only
sudden light
No you can only use it in safezones
robust junco
whered u guys train ur melee stats at?
tender ruin
warrior guild basement
viral surge
til the area outside scurrius is multi
weak heron
<:erm:1432729025528201288>
oh no, I sold mine for 1m yesterday. I'm just sitting on arc spellbook with magic cape if I need freezes to escape
robust junco
so u dont have to do the quest
left coyote
everybody so mad when you attack them wtf
warm wave
unfortunately most people in the pvp event is not there for the pvp
left coyote
yeah I mean I was in the same shoes, I felt frustrated for sure
but I won't call anybody names for it
on that note does anybody have a decent low risk setup for the max breach for dipping my toes into pking
marsh barn
Anyone have a crazy 5 am breach point total?
left coyote
I got 7k today
marsh barn
Damn
marsh barn
The most recent one yeah
left coyote
my current setup for reference
left coyote
The most recent one yeah
yeah I went with dscim + thralls (from akd) and a salve switch for bloat
got 5mvps lol
just focusing on the monsters that are resistant to magic
modern moth
Augmented thralls or gunslinger first?
warm wave
I think thralls? but idk
warm wave
hmm true
left coyote
so it's up to you if its worth the tradeoff
I did some suicide pvm with thralls but if a pker gets on you you're basically toas
or you risk trinket
marsh barn
At least for breaches you can still have a good rag set with thrall runes
Runes are pretty cheap for what you need for a 15 minute breach
left coyote
ye that's what I do too
but for general pvm its kinda risky imo
unless you just risk bare minimum
tender ruin
i vaguely recall rune pouch going into grave anyways?
but maybe runes drop and i just got jebaited by runelite UI
marsh barn
Hope I can come to next breach with 97 range and that spicy Annihilate prayer 🙏
left coyote
it's really easy to do with presets
tender ruin
true
marsh barn
I wonder what the deadman chest spawn formula is. Must be so rare
quick field
damn whole economy went up ln
marsh barn
So did they fix it so top 16 properly get loot or did they go nuts and make it top 100 or something for loot
quick field
idk, I got the impressions its working as intended with top 16
but I only did the one breach
stray kite
Really wish they rebalanced the points away from breaches. Theres like no PvP happening there anyways
Id rather actively play the gamemode for points than breach log
warm wave
I agree, the problem is just that people would just kill alts for points
stray kite
I'm not suggesting they give points for pking, that will result in degenerate gameplay
There should be more incentive to climb brackets than just combat exp and drop rate mult
and more points from other activities idk
warm wave
its just hard to incentivise pking without actually giving a reward for pking outside of gp
stray kite
I think the chests do a good job of that
cold forge
I do find it wierd that it’s a pvp game mode but you have to skill, quest and pvm to progress
Surely you should be able to progress fastest through PvP
cold forge
Facts
I really wanted to go priff but just not interested in questing all of it
For it to be worthless in 2 weeks
stray kite
not even ME 1/2 lol
cold forge
Ye it’s wierd
stray kite
I wonder if thats just a relic of the past when clans would lock down entire quest lines
and they wanted to somewhat enable that still
cold forge
Clans seem more interested in fighting eachother this time rather than locking down specific areas
stray kite
it was in the mode for years
warm wave
Clans seem more interested in fighting eachother this time rather than locking d...
thats imo a good thing
cold forge
why would anyone ever want that to be a thing again
I think it’s cool as hell
warm wave
clans fighting other clans is kind of the goal
cold forge
Having an area that is off limits due to a clan holding it imo is what dmm is
stray kite
Pvp clans are part of pvp, whos to say that shouldnt be part of the game mode
warm wave
I guess
the problem I feel is just that there is just a lot of groups that want different things from the gamemode
stray kite
I wish I had gotten more in to the pvp aspect myself. I kind of fucked up my acc build cuz I have no clue what Im doing
it also felt like dogshit trying to do anything while being poor
now that I have money I wouldnt mind carrying around a brid setup
cold forge
Definitely seems like the most successful dmm but is that because it’s actually good or because there’s PvP rewards that are relatively obtainable for most players
Finding a good balance where everyone is happy must be difficult
warm wave
I do think the dmm this time around was in a better direction
but there is still a lot of things that could be improved
stray kite
I know a lot of pkers don't like the bank key change. I don't feel that I can really have an opinion. Its my first DMM and I don't PK
cold forge
I think the bank key thing was terrible
Get killed once and basically just quit
And it just made people alt all their stuff
cold forge
Which meant that we were in the same situation now but with more steps( alting )
Maybe some type of extra supply/loot drop when killing someone with over a certain value ?
Could incentivise more pking without readding bank keys
opaque pine
It's impossible to not have alting incentivized in a PVP game mode
warm wave
sadly true
cold forge
Yeah there’s not really any incentive to alt this time and most of us are still doing it haha
Alting is just op in general
warm wave
the only idea I had for maybe boosting pvp without having too much of an alt impact is making it so some type of activity gives better rewards if you have killed someone nearby before doing it
like getting more points from breaches if you killed someone nearby
it would still be alted tho
but at least it would not be as impactful?
marsh barn
So many offers trying different things in the GE. This shit is why I wanna go back to my iron 
sudden light
I agree, the problem is just that people would just kill alts for points
ngl killing alts would feel less degenerate than just breachragging
Just fix Emir's Arena matchmaking and move all rewards there
opaque pine
the only idea I had for maybe boosting pvp without having too much of an alt imp...
Then you just have alts to kill
warm wave
Then you just have alts to kill
sure, but at least others would be there as well so if you bring alts to kill they can just kill your alt before you or kill you
not saying it would solve the issue tho
probably still a bad idea
kind bronze
there is no such thing as an extrinstic reward from pvp that cannot be boosted
it is impossible
sudden light
can agree that emir's arena matchmaking is god awful
Wouldn't even take much, just move it from the grouping interface to the notice board and force teleport to the arena when a match is found so dodgers won't rag your queue
thorny junco
if i could only use 1 of these which one should i use for breaches meticulous mage or menacing mage?
opaque pine
there is no such thing as an extrinstic reward from pvp that cannot be boosted
Which is why the wildy is inherently mega-botted content
warm wave
ok I just figured out a terrible idea, an actual god awful idea
what if when you pk someone in dmm you steal some of their points
sudden light
if i could only use 1 of these which one should i use for breaches meticulous ma...
Not sure how menacing works, is it one curse per target per player or one curse per target period?
kind bronze
what if when you pk someone in dmm you steal some of their points
selling dmm points 15k ea upfront pay req
sudden light
Either way it's probably bad unless you have a chill spot. Meticulous mage probably isn't very good either since you have like a billion accuracy in pvm from other sigils
cunning bluff
Really wish they rebalanced the points away from breaches. Theres like no PvP ha...
The problem is if you only play 1 breach per day you have to pvm it
Or you won't get points
kind bronze
theres definitely pvp happening at breaches
just try taking something valuable there youll have to do 2 tanks per breach
cunning bluff
Meh
Tanks are whatever
But it feels like you set your acc back
If you aren't getting daily cap
kind bronze
they happen enough that it feels better to just bring rags to get more points
than have to miss half the breach
cunning bluff
Gotta be more tactical
kind bronze
the worst pkers in the game just see the scythe equipped and start drooling they cant help themselves
even if all they do is just shoot rcb on my prayer and freeze on cd
stray kite
The problem is if you only play 1 breach per day you have to pvm it
Yeah, ig at the end of the day its a gamemode for PKers. I doubt that crowd would prefer to be grinding 100 hespori over doing a 2 breaches a day and then progging their account
cunning bluff
the worst pkers in the game just see the scythe equipped and start drooling they...
I wear webweaver
Under the radar
Also you should be switching to staff +shield every hit or at least between boss spawns
stray kite
are you just swapping it on to attack and removing?
cunning bluff
Yes
You don't want to show if possible
And also you want to be in tank
Boltragger sees crystal shield and fucks off
stray kite
Makes sense, I thought about doing that but Im content just being a bolt ragger
cunning bluff
Getting ragged says more about you than them basically
marsh barn
It's working well enough just being a bolt ragger tbh
marsh barn
Lost 1m just to being a lazy idiot good good. Oh well doesn't affect breaches just kind of annoying.
rough plinth
F
modern moth
Seen people starting to dh bomb with adroit and rampage on at breaches lmao
Everyone's sitting with entity hider on so nobody notices you
Higher accuracy at lower hp from adroit
tender ruin
Kozi 
(zaxe price last night)
rough plinth
i bought like 5 for 250k yesterday
tender ruin
Is the Defender quest instance shared? 
cunning bluff
Seen people starting to dh bomb with adroit and rampage on at breaches lmao
I'm working on this
But I won't be able to use it until tomorrow breach
marsh barn
modern moth
You get 40% more accuracy on top of it all with the barrows sigil too, and you usually get like 3-4 hits before anyone notices what's going on in the pile
amber spire
To prevent this use the pvp performance tracker plugin
marsh barn
84 pray just in time for breach hope this 27% ranged strength feels good 🙏
rough plinth
cold forge
been pked like 8 times today at the priff fishing spot
some ppl just really have nothing to do huyh
not really sure where to finish fishing if these losers are camping the trout spot
tender ruin
Sounds like you have 11.5 min of breach time 
marsh barn
Yeah I also have a meeting at breach time but y'know multitasking
kind bronze
not really sure where to finish fishing if these losers are camping the trout sp...
there is safezone trout/salmon at gnome stronghold
but its not 25min afk
rustic swan
First gunslinger rcb breach let's go
Gonna say screw work for 20 mins and log on to pc
I'll be 644 b3. Anyone else b3? I'll call here
gleaming hornet
any1 in b4 if you get a zanaris breach lmk
oblique oracle
swashbuckler and zombie axe any good for breach? or just rag bolt
gleaming hornet
ill do the same
modern moth
How often are you getting slimed wtf
warm wave
why not black dhide body?
gleaming hornet
b1 pure looks like
gleaming hornet
with the halo even if placeholder
warm wave
forgot pures exist
modern moth
Maybe 2 morri javs to dump specs into some dude in mystic off pray
rustic swan
What are the best breaches again?
and any tips for locating them fast so im not running around like headless chicken?
tender ruin
GE start anyways for perdu scouting
warm wave
ye
cold forge
Maybe 2 morri javs to dump specs into some dude in mystic off pray
I like that plan haha
cunning bluff
Bro ofc I get a work client scheduled in 1 hour out of the blue
I did that to myself 💀
rustic swan
What are like the hard avoid breach areas?
tender ruin
the latter, wasting 30-60sec finding gooder breach pays back easy
cant find the post with tierlist 
cunning bluff
Anywhere can be OK
quick field
Kozi <:angy:1130185243375186010> (zaxe price last night)
It wasn't me
quick field
Glgl everyone
tender ruin
gl gamers
quick field
On mobile for this one
robust junco
681 b3 south varla
rough plinth
628 river dougne bridge
rustic swan
b3 w658 mishtalin
tender ruin
b4 628 dougne bridge?
twilit crater
b4 647 norht isle souls
tender ruin
b4 686 north tai bwo
rough plinth
686 north tai bwo wannai
rustic swan
681 b3 south varla
is this very good?
twilit crater
b4 646 north kandarin
robust junco
is this very good?
yeah it's good go se hunter guild
rustic swan
so many ppl holy
red bloom
where tf are mobs in south misthalin
silk agate
wheres the one in south varla?
sudden light
Whoops forgot the breach again
sudden light
200 points in 5 minutes anyway
tender ruin
north kand- mid
oblique oracle
holy 6,8k points at seers village
oblique oracle
zombie axe and swashbuckler paiid off
viral surge
wait i just got 5k points?
rustic swan
south varla woulve been good but I was running around with nothing to attack for half the time
cunning bluff
Nice
warm wave
I should probably try out the zombie + swashbuckler
rustic swan
Is there a way to follow the spawns better?
viral surge
there were like a billion ppl
kind bronze
I got 8k points from that breach
lmao
zombie axe def better than scythe
unless you want loot
rough plinth
capped
kind bronze
thats not a multiple of 5k though
amber spire
he dealth that much damage but only got 35k points
rustic swan
Apparently a lot of the south varla spawns went to the multi area
and a team was there
kind bronze
oic
cold forge
Maybe 2 morri javs to dump specs into some dude in mystic off pray
lol popped some dude in mystics as soon as I got there killed him in 1 spec for a few hundred k
rustic swan
I have 3k points, do I go titanium to afk scurrius or prayer
kind bronze
cap will be 40k at next breach?
rough plinth
yes
kind bronze
nice can probably get there then
quick field
Just did a range breach on my alt and I think i like melee better
hoary stump
What's best guide for ~30k pts? Don't mind participating in breaches/escaping from pkers
quick field
Stuggled to see stuff on mobile ofc tho
rustic swan
Wizzys swapping in guide was good
ive got 12k in like 7 hours gameplay.
and only 4k from breaches
hoary stump
The pinned one?
rustic swan
no he typed about it
amber spire
antidotes are really good points per gp, someone insta bought those for 2400 each and the potion costs 15k points
hoary stump
So if I'm starting right now do I follow that guide? Or is there another updated one
rough plinth
idk if anyone made updated guide
rustic swan
if you dont want to swap in I think its fine
I was just going off a conversation with wizzy
hoary stump
if you dont want to swap in I think its fine
By swap in you mean pay money from main to get a quick boost on items in DMM right?
amber spire
Got my aggression sigil for my b1 account
hoary stump
I'm willing to do that, how much roughly would it cost?
rustic swan
I spent like 30m and that was plenty
bronze crater
if you've got afk time just cannon terrorbirds
it's completely safe
25 minute afk
rustic swan
thats prob cheaper
bronze crater
yeah
hoary stump
Where were you chinning?
bronze crater
especially if you re-sell the cannon
rustic swan
mm1
cunning bluff
zombie axe def better than scythe
Interesting
Maybe craw is not the play
Viggora?
warm wave
do be warned that people can (and will) crash you in the mm1 tunnels
but it is the best place
cunning bluff
antidotes are really good points per gp, someone insta bought those for 2400 eac...
This is for herb training with zulrah scales
kind bronze
Interesting
I think melee is just good because of no projectile
1 extra hit per mob
if you stand on the spawn
sudden light
Should be mage only no?
warm wave
I think its only mage
oblique oracle
use the god spells
sudden light
Probs don't need to in breaches
amber spire
do be warned that people can (and will) crash you in the mm1 tunnels
isnt having two people in a spot nearly as good as being there alone?
warm wave
idk tbh
late sedge
rustic swan
Yeah but I modified a bit
didnt do the clues and did some afk skilling instead and chinned instead of cannon
inland falcon
i'm going to swap out either ruthless ranger or rigorous ranger for aggression
bronze crater
I'm doing Consistency, Rigorous Ranger, Ruthless Ranger with Dragon Darts
going to swap Ruthless Ranger out for Aggression soon
full epoch
I don’t understand the slot system do you have to put certain things there if so how?
Also wow breaches are goated now
I should hit my goal now
So happy
oblique oracle
if you wanna escape with barrage take meticulous mage for huge accuracy
rough plinth
this what u running @quick field ?
quick field
this what u running <@359160283052376064> ?
Swashbuckler is needed if this is the zombie axe build
quick field
I'm doing Consistency, Rigorous Ranger, Ruthless Ranger with Dragon Darts
Does darts out dps 4t crossbow with dbolts?
bronze crater
Does darts out dps 4t crossbow with dbolts?
probably idk I'm not a nerd
they feel like they always hit
and +1 max hit kinda big on a 2t weapon
overload, 81 base ranged
eagle eye
quick field
I wasn't impressed with the rcb in b2 on my alt
bronze crater
this is b1
quick field
So im looking at other options for the acc
bronze crater
camping bronze skull, not picking up any loot
donating t5 emblems to whoever comes next
you make more gp getting more points to spend on weapon kits to sell than picking up loot to GE and swap
and staying at bronze skull makes you invincible
quick field
The t5s you can convert to points asap by using on skull
bronze crater
what
god I fucking hate dmm
ok well ig I'll bring my skull then and do that at least LOL
quick field
I lost a t5 because I couldn't find it on the ground on mobile
cunning bluff
I lost a t5 because I couldn't find it on the ground on mobile <:kekw:6395763366...
I don't pick them up at all
Completely useless
Got like 25m pts from early
quick field
They give me dopamine
My brain says worthless my heart says pick up every single one
hoary stump
Uh I'm following the pinned Wizzy guide rn
"Receive 14k GP from the alt at the B-L-R fairy ring"
Anyone willing to help me with this? Can pay from my main
cunning crest
Anyone willing to help me with this? Can pay from my main
are you in b1?
can help ya, just say your world and i'll come
hoary stump
All good I got someone from my clan to help!
Appreciate it
For some reason I can't talk to the wildy dark wizard to start enter the abyss
There's no 'talk' option tf
Ah menu entry swapper...
cunning bluff
Uh I'm following the pinned Wizzy guide rn
It's really a day 1 guide ngl
You can do so much better
Just chin on prot
modern moth
Too many cringe clans for me to chin off prot
modern moth
lol popped some dude in mystics as soon as I got there killed him in 1 spec for ...
Hell yeah lmao
I havent pked enough this dmm, need to engage more
quick field
I got checked 3 times in 30 minutes when I was chinning on protec at temple spiders
rustic swan
Could probably sacrifice one breach if you are near cap and be super safe
gleaming hornet
actually good shout
hoary stump
I'm about to level up to b2, so I should just buy a bunch of chins and go to mm1 tunnel?
Safe for 1 hour throwing chins ig
plain belfry
I got checked 3 times in 30 minutes when I was chinning on protec at temple spid...
Fr? I threw 300 chins yday at temple spiders and didn’t see a soul in bracket 1
quick field
Maybe thats b1 stuff 🤷♂️
quick field
I havent pked enough this dmm, need to engage more
How quickly the ironmen fall to madness...
plain belfry
Once I finish 82 range im goin on a rampage in b1 😈
About to have a massive stack of rune axes
slow hare
What npc do you talk to to check how many of your points came from breeches?
bronze crater
doomsayer
gleaming hornet
Not at all tbh
i saw people at colo so you never know
people going into inferno will prob have some decent gear
rustic swan
How much is a corrupted tbow? Im tempted to send inferno
gleaming hornet
3.55-3.7m
rustic swan
we tank the zuk hits surely for when i forget
gleaming hornet
rustic swan
titanium stronk
rustic swan
I know I'll forget with RCB lol
gleaming hornet
im debating on sigils for inferno
if i should bring met mage
or just gunslinger+range sigils
prob gunslinger, rigorous and met
want to try to go for somewhat speed
rustic swan
met?
gleaming hornet
meticulous
rustic swan
oh the accuracy one
rustic swan
yeah i think gunslinger met, rigorous is plenty. you might not even need rigorous tbh
rustic swan
Would consistency mean you never splash on nibblers?
gleaming hornet
nah you still splash with consistency and mage
rustic swan
ah ok
gleaming hornet
consistency is a waste of a sigil now imo
just worth it early on
only good now for prob chinning/barraging if you need exp
rustic swan
If im trying to use my b4 prot for prayer using dbones chaos altar, the math is just 252 x 20 x 2 for xp per bone right?
so ~10k xp per bone
amber spire
Yes
hoary stump
Is there any reason to not buy quest lamps
rustic swan
Terrorbird cannon/alch afking rates
solid. how much are cballs?
Ive been seeing people selling DMM 1:2 now
rough plinth
scurrius with a rat bow and rune arrows was like 3.5m/h in b4
rustic swan
yeah I was doing that at work
it was almost 100% afk without titanium
only issue is boss doesnt always auto at start
quick field
Is there any reason to not buy quest lamps
If you want to manual quest the xp. A lot of the unlocks are worse than just buying sigils too
rustic swan
ds1 at start is good