ToA setup potential changes? | IronScape | Page 1

maiden knot Oct 17, 2025, 6:48 AM

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Hello! I had a few questions about potentially changing my ToA setup.

For context, I'm hopping in between content (cox, toa, duke) as I'm learning colo. I'm currently doing ~350s but I'm working my way up to 400s. Atm I'm getting to wardens with enough supplies that losing a couple of brews and one restore shouldn't be an issue, but I'm not sure if that'll stay the case as I up the invocation levels.

I'm currently using the left setup, but I was wondering if bringing the extra mage switches (right setup) would be worth it? I know mage isn't typically used that much pre-shadow, but I was toying with the idea and was curious.

I've calced a few setups to compare (assuming avg ayak spec at akkha and wardens, and 2 avg bgs specs at wardens), and it seems like the +3 switches mage setup is much better than my current mage setup for akkha, and slightly better at P3/P4 wardens than my deadeye bowfa setup.
I've got augury and I'm still working on getting rigour. Once I have rigour, the mage setup still seems to be a little bit better, but maybe not worth it as much then unless I also get some robe upgrades?
I've just focused on swapping out supplies for mage switches, but are there other gear switches that take priority? Or maybe the supplies would be better/necessary as I Iearn my way up to 400s?

Thanks!

vagrant mason Oct 17, 2025, 7:24 AM

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unless you are concerned about rune costs, seems to me that going for a mage heavy setup makes sense

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the zebak dps would be interesting, if eye is close enough there too you could definitely leave some more range switches like the helm and camp mage legs

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basically a baby shadow setup

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or you keep ranging zebak but take a hit on kill time there if you feel like you need more supplies

fast mica Oct 17, 2025, 9:23 AM

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if u do use magic setup I would not stress much about augury. since magic prayers dont do much u can very easily camp lower tier prays and conserve alot of prayer without much downside in most cases

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imo big downside is mage setup prob will take more inv space which is going to make no help needed a bit harder. definitely wana focus getting raid lvl up over minmaxing gear for 350

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i think even in that case it would be worth trying to run mage setup even if u have to drop firecape+chelm to do it

maiden knot Oct 17, 2025, 4:58 PM

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vagrant mason the zebak dps would be interesting, if eye is close enough there too you could d...

Unfortunately, eye on zebak isn't viable (+3 mage switches setup is like half the dps of deadeye bowfa haha) so I'd be ranging zebak either way

vagrant mason Oct 17, 2025, 4:58 PM

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Ah rip

maiden knot Oct 17, 2025, 4:59 PM

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fast mica if u do use magic setup I would not stress much about augury. since magic prayer...

That's a good point, I thought it would be better but it seems like augury is only like ~2.6% dps increase over mystic vigour with no extra max hits

maiden knot Oct 17, 2025, 5:04 PM

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fast mica i think even in that case it would be worth trying to run mage setup even if u h...

Not bringing the crystal helm does lose a max hit though, but it seems like it only increases average ttk by like 10 seconds?

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But in the mage heavy setup, I'd pretty much only be ranging zebak and warden P2, so it might not be that bad if supplies become an issue

vagrant mason Oct 17, 2025, 6:53 PM

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maiden knot Not bringing the crystal helm does lose a max hit though, but it seems like it o...

Yeah this is my argument exactly. That extra brew/restore only has to make a difference of not finishing the raid once every like 100 raids or whatever and its worth it

bright owl Oct 18, 2025, 9:56 PM

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What are you using blowpipe on?

robust niche Oct 18, 2025, 9:57 PM

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Swarming, monkey room, akkha shadows

bright owl Oct 18, 2025, 10:01 PM

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If butterflying with eye you wouldn’t use it on shadow, guess still worth bringing for swarm until higher Invos

gritty matrix Oct 18, 2025, 10:16 PM

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"until higher invos" dropping bp for any reason seems extremely questionable

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especially so u can replace it with a ppot

bright owl Oct 18, 2025, 10:32 PM

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It’s really not needed higher invos when you need more pots, since you can bowfa monkey and swarms won’t matter since there’s too many to not be overwhelmed especially since overlords isn’t a bad invo to take now. Especially if crystal helm provides a max hit instead

gritty matrix Oct 18, 2025, 10:36 PM

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disagree with all of that

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well I guess since ayak bowfa isnt your main dps for almost the entire raid anymore so if you have a very good ayak setup theres a possibility of dropping helm (although id never do it pre ayak)

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overlords is still a terrible invo
baba monkey room gets sped up tremendously
bp swarms at kephri is not a very hard thing to do, especially if you are really planning to push invo as high as you want. I genuinely think bp would still be worth bringing even if its only use in the raid was getting kephri to 20% HP after first down instead of fully healed, because that alone is such a crazy timesave thats probably more powerful than gaining a max on all your styles

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its like what, straight up an entire minute saved on kephri?

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100% worth taking no elaboration needed

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not to mention you also make baba boulders so much easier for yourself

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and most important of all, you make the most boring and stupid room way faster

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good for mental

vagrant mason Oct 19, 2025, 12:05 AM

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bright owl It’s really not needed higher invos when you need more pots, since you can bowfa...

You can get most swarms with just blowpipe if done correctly even with overlords on

slim jewel Oct 19, 2025, 1:42 AM

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Idk about overlords but I think not taking BP without overlords is trolling

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Its an enormous time save if you know how to swarm

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If you get "overwhelmed" you just dont know how to swarm

maiden knot Oct 19, 2025, 2:42 AM

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I've been doing my best to swarm just by rotating around the room and tagging what I can; is there a fixed pattern to learn?

slim jewel Oct 19, 2025, 3:22 AM

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the swarm spawn pattern is more or less fixed yeah. the main thing is knowing when you need to double back ahead of time cause of poop blocking the next spawn

white echo Oct 19, 2025, 3:46 AM

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The pattern is very fixed

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U can have the toa plugin label the swarm by number

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Watch one of the world record toa vods to see which ones to kill

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And which to ignore

hardy condor Oct 19, 2025, 8:46 PM

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can also say that after finally turning off ovls and using knives keph room became pretty fun and quick, it's worth learning and there aren't many patterns to learn

maiden knot Nov 5, 2025, 2:09 AM

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Considering the main upgrades here would be infernal/quiver (skill issue atm but I'll get there) and ancestral robes/rigour from cox, would you guys say that camping toa for shadow now would be a good idea? Or would you still go to cox first to pick up some of the upgrades?

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