Osto-Ayak (Doom of Mokhaiotl)

[obsidian turret]

yeah im lumping 6+7 in but they arent bad bc of the 100% acc phases

[night zephyr]

Thought it was fashion scape plugin lol

[nimble crest]

didnt jraze attempt this for like 3-4 days in a row

i will admit its a better speed task than any ruby resetting stuff when you have scuffed gear

[orchid summit]

is this an insta melee? like wtf do i even do here

[obsidian turret]

Not be melee range as he finishes shield

can manual path under him and hit it after

or hit it earlier

[north axle]

or just manual path so you are hitting it from the south

lil grub sandwich

[keen rapids]

insane how that instant melee is still a thing

probably the most annoying and out of place thing about the boss

[obsidian turret]

its more annoying to me that its just a wave 3-4 problem

so it doesnt even happen that often lol

u just forget about it and get smacked by it for the first like 100 delves u do

[north axle]

the sametick offstyle orbs are also still a thing

they said they fixed it but it still happens when meleeing

[obsidian turret]

thought i got same ticked earlier but believed the patch notes

[north axle]

they just don't know what even causes it

which is why they tried blaming the players instead of fixing it

[orchid summit]

wish those were fixed + player could influence grub spawns

i know that wont happen

but im gonna dream about that tonight while i cry myself to sleep

im like 16 hours into grinding perfect, this just isnt my playstyle lol

[vapid lintel]

what is the ground object hider IDs to hide the floor at doom?

[north axle]

just

turn on blindfold

it's terrain not ground object

[vapid lintel]

ah ok ty

[celest robin]

I haven't messed with rock block strats much yet. How plausible would it be to set up a rock block pattern where you can ~infinitely loop the boss

like suppose my dps is turbo ass and I'm expecting multiple car phases most of the time

could you set it up so you double rockblock + get the boss to go back center, letting you re-set it up?

[ivory ravine]

You would have so much acid in the center

If you do sidewalk tech with bp you won’t have multiple car phases

[celest robin]

nah I'm cooking an incredibly cursed setup, bp is not something I'm gonna have access to 😄

just hoping there's a consistent way to do ~infinite car phases in a wave

[night zephyr]

I gotta see this setup

[dense ginkgo]

Doesn't the car only move three times no matter what

Are you doing infinite tree/grub phases too

Oh I see what you mean, for meme low dps

[celest robin]

snowflake budget locked ironman, the basic idea is killing the boss ~entirely through melee punishes

since I'm not realistically doing any damage otherwise

pretty sure it'll work up to wave 5 if I flick well, 6-8 I'm less confident just due to car inconsistency

[main briar]

[celest robin]

I'll probably swap out ardy cape for accumulator and find the cheapest ranged shit I can

and bring fire & chaos runes for demonbane spells

oh nice the price of sulphur blades went down, I do have some wiggle room now

[main briar]

what in the world

[celest robin]

on an extremely related note, did you know if you kill one of the orb pillars with multiple hitsplats, the game thinks it dies twice

and instantly spawns an orb for 1 tick

because I didn't

[night zephyr]

All but doom crawler and doom racer complete. Ill go for the 30 second one when I have treads, but GM time gonna be delayed till tbow

[keen rapids]

do you still get to summon another orb or are you just screwed?

[celest robin]

completely screwed, it's really funny

[vocal girder]

any cheese strats for perfect doom w/ scobo

[night zephyr]

dont take damage. make boss go to zero

[vocal girder]

this changes everything

damn mfw when the only solve is git gud

[wise spire]

Just send money runs, then lock in when you get lucky

[glad arch]

https://tenor.com/view/why-didnt-i-think-of-that-gif-27711265

[dense ginkgo]

Unequip and punch angle ig

[orchid summit]

bro this fucking boss

[dense ginkgo]

Why did you stay on the side it was shooting acid

[main briar]

insert bicycle meme

[night zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/blam-pat-chief-pat-blame-bicycle-own-fault-gif-16314651

wasnt even the first time it spat out acid either. you saw it was on that side lol

[dense ginkgo]

God imagine if it could start with a melee punish LMAO

Like before your first ranged hit could possibly connect

[night zephyr]

oh i was about to say ive definitely had ranged hit into melee hit start

[dense ginkgo]

Yeah the first hit makes it fair and lets you see the acid direction

[night zephyr]

Tell me how I just encountered this on wave 14 with 200 ddart tips on the line. I accidetnally scobo specced the earthen node :(

So somehow the burn also makes this happen.

was gonna claim the next wave :(

[celest robin]

if I hadn't mentioned it it wouldn't have happened, RIP

[night zephyr]

I would've thought it was unique to double hitters tbh. Like the burn damage should have happened long after the earthen node "died", but I guess not.

[celest robin]

think this is my limit on the scuffed gear build until I figure out an infinite car setup lol

[north axle]

wdym infinite car

it would never be consistent to get rockblock because boss can just not throw boulders at all

especially after first trees

[hot oar]

Wdym. This is the easiest GM task. Just use thralls and let it print acid on F6/7

All you have to do is survive to a single earth special

[celest robin]

that'd require me to get to f6 😄

[celest robin]

oh I didn't even think about it being timed after...

[night zephyr]

I mean if you wait long enough it does the orb. But it doesnt delete rocks during orb. So if it is possible, you could just not attack the boss and stack up a million rocks.

It's not gonna be infinite car phase, but I would guess you can stack 2 back to back if the rocks don't clear going into 2nd car. Haven't paid attention if they do

[north axle]

are you sure you can't get it on f3?

mopping up

i got it on f5

[celest robin]

nah sorry I mean that strat would require me to get to f6

I ended up getting it on f4

I don't think it's possible on f3

boss won't move/only shoots one direction

[north axle]

oh i know

do like a 10 minute pre 75%

rock block all sides

[hot oar]

Ngl

Didn’t realize they removed the f8 requirement on that

Makes it even easier tbh

[wise spire]

man my first run of the day is always 15+, then just progressively gets worse until I'm dying on wave 9

game sucks

[night zephyr]

Did it ever even have that? I thought from day 1 it didn't specify wave 8

[hot oar]

I could’ve sworn they had wording for Wave 8. Maybe I just saw “8” in the task and just assumed lmao

[dense ginkgo]

melee punish alone would bring it below 75% no?

[night zephyr]

I mean you could just keep kicking it

[north axle]

fun weapons do 1 damage

[keen rapids]

there are certain fun weapons with huge -str bonus that are useful for the no pray restoration task, since holy water fails that too

i used a carrot sword

[north axle]

I am using the nutcracker staff in this clip

[granite turret]

It's so easy to flick for the first 5 waves and not going below 99, after that the chance of melee punish to finish the kill goes way down

[keen rapids]

i just didnt know before that that not all fun weapons have the same stats

[north axle]

these didnt use to

[keen rapids]

i was gonna use the rubber chicken for old times sake

[north axle]

they were given -100 str to help snowflakes

[night zephyr]

Started wave 8 with 110 on my run. Was nice to just send all the punishes even at end.

[unborn girder]

Sorry I missed this message. I pretty much get double shield every time with my gear. Doesn't help that I was running deadeye and rune arrows

[keen rapids]

one mistake, i turned on prayer too early for the double boulder at the beginning

rest of the wave was perfect

[spice nest]

[orchid summit]

didn’t know it stayed same side just never paid attention and i spooned this boss. doesn’t matter i copped perfect a little after this

[keen rapids]

i got this close to him after the car ended and he sprayed acid at me that could have failed it and i would have felt so stupid

but he did not spray acid directly on me

[main briar]

Every fuckin time, the main spoons shit going for cas https://i.imgur.com/I7zNY6t.png

[weary garden]

This game sucks ass (eye #3)

[civic surge]

Trade me a boots. I've got plenty of extra cloths now! lol

I'm at 608 deep delves with no boots

You and me are still in this together.

[weary garden]

I’d gladly give you a pair of boots for a cloth rn 😭

We go until we greenlog brother

[civic surge]

No matter how many pets we get along the way.

[unborn girder]

You guys are both in it for the long run XD

[worldly nexus]

Oh I like this game, what do i win?

Don't tell me its depression; I already have that

[civic surge]

You must stay and lead our circle.

[timber sandal]

Just know that you're for sure gonna get the drop by 5k totals

It's guaranteed by then

[civic surge]

Why you gotta curse him like that

[spice nest]

Grandmeowster...

[clear edge]

Yeah, this was the most bullshit thing ever. Sometimes it felt like I didn't proc the pillar at all when i got ruby spec on it.

[plucky turret]

wouldnt ruby spec hit a 0 on it so that checks out

[clear edge]

Sometimes it did, sometimes it insta procced it. At least that's how it felt. Didn't really study the behavior, but was rly clunky

[keen rapids]

Good meowning to grandmeowsters!

[spice nest]

:gmtogms

[weary garden]

Our leader

[serene kiln]

is chally better for punish if u dont have zcb?

for the 7:15 speed

[dense ginkgo]

Absolutely

[main briar]

Better than what

[dense ginkgo]

Oh I assumed NHally but if you have a scythe idk

[night zephyr]

Do you have d knives? If you have scythe and d knives, id think you do that combo instead

[serene kiln]

ye i have everything but zcb

[keen rapids]

scythe goated for punish

[stuck cape]

blowpipe

@night zephyr do you have the blowpipe tiles you're using

[orchid summit]

for deep delving using kirby’s tiles, is there a visual or audio cue for moving from boulder tile to purple nally tiles for melee punish or do you just have to get a feel for it?

[alpine jewel]

the visual cue is the boulder dipping down

but you eventually get a feel for it, the timing is always the same

[orchid summit]

cool hopefully i can snag 16 today. pb rn is 14. feel like a noob, i spooned this boss so hard i never had to truly learn it til CAs released

[alpine jewel]

yeah im the opposite im extremely dry on this boss haha

i use kirby tiles now but the muffyn method is a bit more braindead i think

[orchid summit]

ill check it out

[north axle]

Does Kirby require two rock throws?

I don't think that is really necessary

[alpine jewel]

nah not required, the second rock throw is if u want to rockblock the second slam

it's just if he happens to do 2 rocks before it phases

[orchid summit]

hmm unless im missing something they seem functionally the same

[spice nest]

I think kirby explains da deep delve strat better but both have da same function yus

Both does sort of U shape

[alpine jewel]

functionally the same it's a bit different when u click

and for muffyn u just afk on the drag tile instead of clicking back to a rock on the melee punish

[night zephyr]

I can paste them later tonight. But there are better/sometimes better due to acid usable ones all around them. Check out muffyns tile chart from the sidewalk tech vid for a bit of extra info here.

[stuck cape]

Muffins are 6 tiles away and don’t work for bp tho

[night zephyr]

Yes I know. The ones I added are not. I'm saying the chart he shows in his vid helps you understand how you can go outside those tiles/outside the tiles I have when you need to because of acid.

@stuck cape

[stuck cape]

Do we know why only have the room works for rock block

[keen rapids]

might be sw tile shenanigans

since its the south and west that apparently don't work

[stuck cape]

yeah i think sw tile is what determines if a rocks destroyed

the reason it works it bc the rock is under the boss, and if it goes s/w then the boss destroys the rock while its moving

[alpine jewel]

this is so fucked

[civic surge]

That is messed up.

[spice nest]

[orchid summit]

gm reclaimed, dare i say melee was kinda fun

[paper patrol]

First delve 8 complete with scobo only, how have i been doing you think? need some feedback

this is the gear

[granite turret]

Took me to 400 to clear 8 first time with better gear, seems good to me

[paper patrol]

400 delve 7 completions?

[granite turret]

Total waves

[paper patrol]

ohh

[paper patrol]

lfg b2b delve 8

[night zephyr]

Can't really give feedback from delve screen.

Can I get a unique please

[paper patrol]

i mean if its bad or not

[night zephyr]

Again, cant really say. the ratio is fine, but that's to be expected learning the boss late with all the guides out. Post a vid if you want real feedback.

[timber sandal]

got spooned a BP at 260 zulrah kc

going back to doom now wil ltry BP with d darts on 6+

[timber sandal]

BP has a bit of a learnign curve on car, learning the distance and such

also should i be using eye or still skull scepter to kill mage grubs. i like skull cause of the increased range

[night zephyr]

Make sure eye is on longrage I think the slightly less range is worth the tear gain

[timber sandal]

ah okay long range makes sense. ty matt

[paper escarp]

It’s bad

Source: trust me bro

[timber sandal]

I only have 3k dragon darts tho rip, im afraid how fast they'll go

worth using bp on waves 5-7 tho yeah?

[paper escarp]

Definitely worth using blowpipe

Not sure if it’s worth using d darts tho

I mean I have a 38k stack and still never used one

That’s prolly overkill tho

[lone carbon]

dragon ammunition has the same role as potions in elder scrolls where I end up hoarding them for a needed occasion that never comes

[tulip spade]

doom seems like as good a place to use ddarts as any

other than like inferno/colo

[heady flicker]

Team content where contribution matters and scaling drop system (doom) is probably the best use cases

[paper escarp]

Idk I’m saving them for CAs

[paper escarp]

Yup same

I hoard like 300+ special arrows every BG3 run and barely use them

[tulip spade]

yeah like every orb skipped on 8+ is huge value to me since that's the most likely place for me to die

[north axle]

I've used 4k or so d arrow since doom launch

Just accepted that I am camping them past 8

[paper escarp]

that's cool

im still getting used to wave 8, only managed a few completions so far

I'm not really interested in burning through dragon ammo when I'm lacking the fundamental mechanics

but like I said, once I'm good enough for CAs it seems logical to use them there

[tulip spade]

not using them until 8+ is a decent move

[orchid summit]

i kinda wanna try duel CA again as if they’d allowed scythe/nally

i feel like the acid will make it just as unbearable in a different way so my theory is they limited to 1h just to artificially prop up inq mace

[granite turret]

I mean surely it was more to limit Nally, so you have to avoid melees

[orchid summit]

fair

that dps gotta be ass though

[keen rapids]

imo d ammo is only for speeds and cas

i wouldn't use them for moneys

when amethyst exists

[stuck cape]

Well +3 max hits at doom has a real chance of skipping orb phase or getting you to delve deeper

[dense ginkgo]

yeah I'm tempted but I also have so few

since I don't own ZCB if I used them I'd definitely replace my blessing with them and just arrow swap after 7

I guess if I REALLY need more I can do more Vorkath

[timber sandal]

why am i worse at using BP at car rather than before when i was just doing scobo

not used to the ticks i guess

[dense ginkgo]

have you done PNM recently

check your bp for iron darts

[timber sandal]

lol no its not that

i think its just cause its a new wep i dont know its range

or how to move with three tick

[dense ginkgo]

copy this radius marker

[dense ginkgo]

it's a 2 tick weapon

do you have it on accurate/longrange or something

[{"id":1754697782371,"name":"Doom car","visible":true,"collapsed":false,"z":0,"spawnX":3423,"spawnY":6440,"spawnColour":"#FF00FFFF","spawnVisible":false,"wanderRadius":5,"wanderColour":"#FFFFFF00","wanderVisible":true,"maxRadius":7,"maxColour":"#FFFF00FF","maxVisible":true,"aggressionColour":"#FFFF0000","aggressionVisible":true,"retreatInteractionColour":"#FF0000FF","retreatInteractionVisible":false,"npcId":14709,"attackRadius":5,"attackColour":"#FF00931C","attackType":"RANGED","attackVisible":true,"huntRadius":1,"huntColour":"#FFFF7F00","huntVisible":false,"interactionRadius":1,"interactionColour":"#FF00C800","interactionVisible":false}]

oh neat you can export/import them

[night zephyr]

Check out pinned videos of me using it on wave 7/8

[timber sandal]

will do, thanks matt

no i had it on rapid im just dumb

ill do the radius marker ty

just got my new PB delve 11

along with the mopping up achievement

mopping up was ezpz

[keen rapids]

i thought the play for delving deep was to deliberately not skip orb so you can janitor with it

also can't skip the orb 100% of the time so at some point its a git gud angle regardless

[north axle]

Nah

It's getting enough dps that you can consistently set up KOs on the first ticks after car to do a big clean

Also I'm pretty sure thralls fuck it up so you shouldn't bring em

You also do appreciate cleans while tanking orb but the comfy clean is when you get a free one

[keen rapids]

Oh yeah I still haven't learned how to consistently do the spawn trees after death thing

Prob should

[north axle]

1. Don't thrall (important)

[keen rapids]

Ye i dont thrall

[north axle]

Then just shoot bow on the ticks when it is standing up after car

If you don't miss ticks you'll generally be on attack cool down on the important tick

So you have to miss the last tick of car phase shot

You get the hang of it

I'm somewhat consistent

[keen rapids]

That makes sense, is there also a projectile distance req or is it pretty lenient

[north axle]

But it mostly comes down to being able to ko it

Depends who you ask

[keen rapids]

And is he still 100% acc when he's standing

[north axle]

I think there is multi tick clearance but if you hit on the first possible tick from too close you will be too early

[north axle]

No which is why widega does a masori 4way

You can also do it on accurate and also use scobow if it's low enough

If you spam click during the stand up anim and aren't on cool down, if you are 1-2 tiles away you will hit too early, if 3+ it will work

I believe

But either way you have to actually hit and kill on the right hit

Which implies above average dps

And or a deep proc

So it's really not consistent at all, you need good dps going in, a good roll on the key hit, and proper timing

Not fully controllable

[keen rapids]

Could bring vw if feeling silly

[brazen token]

Eye should be used at Doom, yes? The passive shards, not having to worry about being brewed down, better damage > small increase in recovery cost

I just broke my dry streak with Eye and I'm trying to convince myself it's insanely good

[granite turret]

Yes

[brazen token]

2 tile shorter range is another notable downside. I'm using it anyway

[granite turret]

The only time I notice drag is after I proc car and am running N/W to get into spots and try to tag last one

It's often not needed at all

[keen rapids]

Slightly annoying that it doesn't count as demonbane on the shielded boss

So if you get mage grub spammed you gotta swap weapons

[alpine jewel]

i think with eye u can start using cure me if u want to keep going deeper

[night zephyr]

Are you green logged now? I need motivation.

[north axle]

yes

glog CA and I'm outski

[keen rapids]

log looking pretty similar to mine minus the booties

[timber sandal]

Congrats man well deserved

[night zephyr]

Nice

[weary garden]

Why does this boss shit out pets??? This is my 6th fucking pet

[proven owl]

cuz they want noobs to be able to get the pet too

they didnt want it to feel impossible for the ppl who can barely do 7s and maybe an 8 every now and then

[keen rapids]

still the drop rate scales like crazy though

actually would make more sense if pet was a flat, low drop rate

[tulip spade]

toa rates moment

gotta make it obtainable for shitters but also we have to reward the high end players for pushing further and oops now the rare drops aren't rare anymore

jagex be like "surely players aren't going to mass farm raid level 400 delve 8+"

i mean it's just a pet this time so whatever but it is funny to see them do this again

[proven owl]

i kinda feel for them tho cuz if they do ever make a drop system where it's balanced around ppl clearing 15+ but ppl end up farming 1-7s then reddit will cry about it for weeks

i can understand why they'd try to play it safe on drops nowadays

[tulip spade]

i think the pet is the one thing they could justify as a "git gud if you want a reasonable chance at this" drop

[proven owl]

nobody is hurt by getting 10 pets on their way to green log it's just a little funny

[proven owl]

i think there is a decent risk ppl would get really mad over it and it's just not worth the drama for them

[tulip spade]

simply ignore reddit

[granite turret]

Wish they would

[tulip spade]

i have reached the point where i almost consider making the 2007scape reddit mad to be an axiomatic good

[keen rapids]

yea any cosmetics really (radiant etc)

[keen rapids]

i also think they have been toying with the idea of adding more common pets

i think it was arcane who said he wanted pets to either be more common or way rarer (i.e. not feasible to grind)

the original yama contract with guaranteed pet drop would have been cool if it was untradable

making it a buyable pet was just ??

[proven owl]

yama pet feels like a big fuck you to irons lol

should for sure have been untradeable

but also way more common

[keen rapids]

it's basically like seeing a sol pet drop in colo

the pressure

love that

or it wouldve been

[proven owl]

ye they kinda fucked it

[timber sandal]

I think that zero drops should come before 8 tbh

And also that 1-7 shouldn't be a thing

Lol

[north axle]

widega only does 1-7 once in 6 hours

so could you

skill issue

[timber sandal]

So true

[tawny kelp]

still generally dying in 8-12s due to tree timing, anyone have any hot tips that might make it click

[proven owl]

so i haven't played since cas came out, does anyone have setups for them or anything special i should think of

if no inq mace do i just emberlight or is it hasta for example

[granite turret]

ember its better

I did it with shield to combine those, since I have dfs

[proven owl]

ill prob just zcb it for shield, seems pretty easy

[granite turret]

you have tbow for no demonbane so that one is free

other than that its speed and just normal play I think

[proven owl]

i alrdy had the speed

ye melee seems like the only one that might be rough? not sure

[granite turret]

it's not super bad, just slow and you gotta tank some slams if you wanna get a lot in on car

[proven owl]

i guess it depends on how many car phases i get

i was thinking itll take me like 4 car phases w8 with emberlight but maybe not

[granite turret]

wasn't that many for me but ember can noodle

[proven owl]

dwh and dds for spec im guessing?

dds after car phases start coming in

[granite turret]

I did dwh, dds prob solid too

the annoying thing is you gotta be on top of grubs outside shield phase, cuz that dmg fails it

or let them through

[proven owl]

ye ill prob have to be smart about letting them through

i guess ill find out

what's a good high melee str 1h wep for punish

[granite turret]

I think z axe is technically highest?

[proven owl]

don't have it lol

looks kinda like a fang angle for me just from looking through bank

or maybe dds spec is smarter

or abyssal dagger spec

[granite turret]

oh thats a good one didn't think of that

actually prob not

since you have lower max than dds and acc is already 100%, you'd just hit more on non spec punish

[proven owl]

ye ud get +12 dmg per spec but hit less with the actual spec

what even is doom's attack speed

what ticks are u safe to melee him lol

[granite turret]

6t-4t, but if he melees its 2t

during rock you can hit him a quite a few times

[proven owl]

ah wait i brought thralls lmao

[spice nest]

1-2 6t, 3-6 5t, 7+ 4t

Not sure if it was 6 or 7 he starts 4t

Getting Meleed is just 1t faster on next attack

[granite turret]

7

[proven owl]

wait does poison fail it

man i think i just did this ca first try on extreme 0 iq hard mode version with darts and only killing shield with melee hits but poison failed it

wiki says i can just do shield like normal lol

[proven owl]

or there is something w7 that is hitting it but i have no clue what

[shell kraken]

likely a melee grub that went in when it started carphase

[proven owl]

no clue, i went to record it but then i ended up clearing it so meh

[night zephyr]

I've been getting to 14 and 15 more consisnently this past week and claiming when my divine is out. Feels good to build up the tear stack not gonna lie. Each 14 clear is guaranteed 500k worth of tears. (in terms of iron gp saved on casts), since I will be using eye a ton I fully value the tears at rune price. minimum 1k tears, sometimes 1.5k to 2k depending on rolls.

[night zephyr]

pet #3 :(

[weary garden]

This is kinda what I do. I ended up taking a 2nd divine so now I’m just limited by the 7 restores I bring. I don’t flick so that usually ends me at around 17-19

[ebon rampart]

If you have avernic treads max can you remove just the pegs for example or do you have to remove all 3. I'm GIM with all 3 boots but I guess the ranger boots component isn't really mine (teammate got them) so since the extra range str doesn't super matter I was wondering if it's a big deal to take out just the pegs in case he wants them back. Not that I have the treads yet anyways lol but just curious

Also for learning should I just be using hard food instead of brews? Or does it not really matter since I'm not going deep and I have ample range pots

[night zephyr]

You'll lose tears every time you do. You can just not add the pegs in the first place and add your other boots.

[ebon rampart]

yeah I get that it's just he's not even playing rn so I'm wondering in a year or whatever when he wants his boots back do I lose 4k tears or 12k tears lol

[night zephyr]

Wiki makes it seem like you might lose all 12k

[ebon rampart]

Surely boots any time now

So I bring eye now instead of demon bane right haha

To get free charges

[night zephyr]

With how spooned you are. You got time to read the wiki I ain't helping you anymore

[heady flicker]

Honestly, I’d just ask him if it would be okay for you to claim the boots and then owe him a pair if he starts playing and he starts doing doom

Rangers/pegs on their own is pretty damn useless

[ebon rampart]

Yeah kinda my thought

[timber sandal]

holy spoon

im done

so fucking lucky

[heady flicker]

Green is done…

[timber sandal]

hahaha pet can wait for if i go back for CAs

[dense ginkgo]

Depends on how much you value coffer/alt gp

At your stage that is

Once you're consistently beating 1-7 it's break even or better

[ebon rampart]

Sorry wdym by this. You don't profit charges unless you do enough floors you mean? If using wand on grubs?

[verbal edge]

wand increases death cost

[ebon rampart]

Ah versus buying death runes

[verbal edge]

no

[ebon rampart]

gotcha

[verbal edge]

death coffer

its a valuable item so when you die death charges you more

[ebon rampart]

yeah I get that but I mean the math is how much you're saving on free charges versus how much you're losing gp extra when dying no

[dense ginkgo]

Yeah

So if your PB is wave 5 and you want to split a scythe in the next decade maybe don't bring it yet

[heady flicker]

Just say it’s ffa when you get it🧠

[ebon rampart]

for some reason my death fee doesn't seem to change. 7.5k rn with protect item

[granite turret]

Mine were 5k

Until eye

[ebon rampart]

probably I could use shittier boots so pegs isn't kept

probably low value

[granite turret]

Definitely

[dense ginkgo]

In my setup it's +50k

[granite turret]

Think aranea is a good option

[dense ginkgo]

But even if I die on wave 8 that's pretty much 1:1

[granite turret]

You get range and str bonus

[ebon rampart]

yeah my options are pegs or shayzien

[dense ginkgo]

I camp prims

[ebon rampart]

oh yeah that's probably better

I have that

[dense ginkgo]

Hurts accuracy a bit on the earlier floors but barely matters for the later ones

And 1-5 I'm Scobo speccing anyways so that helps accuracy

[ebon rampart]

yeah pretty cheap

goes up 50k without protect item tho

scobo spec better than chally?

[granite turret]

No lol

[ebon rampart]

you're running nox I guess

[granite turret]

He just has excess spec energy

[ebon rampart]

cuz acid later on

I don't have that problem rn obviously

lol

[dense ginkgo]

I run NHally yeah

Later on I want all my spec for BP and less acid is nice

You get over 50 spec energy per minute with double death charge

[shell kraken]

Even if u dont chally at all at 6+ id defo take it for 1-5

The extra dps is just too good

3t chally goated

[dense ginkgo]

Maybe, I'm good at using all of my supplies often enough though

Sacrificing a brew could reduce how deep I see by a floor sometimes

[night zephyr]

treads to go

at least i can start doubling my tear production

[civic surge]

Grats! I'm up to 35k on my eye. 😄

Also still waiting on treads

[night zephyr]

I guess the only thing that sucks about using tears instead of runes is that you can't smuggle death runes.

[tawny kelp]

am I whack if I dont deep dive for my remaining drop, cloth?

[granite turret]

Yes

[keen rapids]

Deep diving is always the play

[night zephyr]

shoutout to that guy doing delve 2 resets before the drop rate reveal for a whopping 1/2500 chance each run

[desert thorn]

I wanna go back to delve for eye, this is what i used the first 2 weeks delve was released, idk if there is any significant changes i should make

Also I assume the pinned guide vid is the way to go no?

[proven owl]

think dragon arrows are like 5 max hits or something with that setup

bring that instead of blessing and swap w8+

i didnt bother with thralls personally but i dunno if there is any consensus on that front

id bring a nox hally or a scythe 3 way as ur punish weapon

or maybe it's not 3 way with those boots i dunno

ud have to check urself

[desert thorn]

how do i check how many switches should i bring for punish?

[heady flicker]

Base max hit (no pray, no pots)

[proven owl]

only worth for scythe and id bring whatever gives u +2 punish dmg so if ur at 132 str an infernal cape would give you +2

dmg goes up every 5 str iirc

but also i never used chally so maybe u dont need a punish weapon

maybe u have infinite spec since no zcb

[desert thorn]

I have excess spec yea

I tipically bp spec twice on car phase

that + sgs i think i can ditch the chally

[proven owl]

i honestly don't know what id recommend with only chally, sgs and bp

[desert thorn]

u use the ammo on the first slot right

[proven owl]

ye think ur using d arrows now

don't bother with the melee switches if no scythe

and as i said im not sure if u should chally or nox hally since ive only ever zcbed my extra spec

late waves ur prob gonna want ur spec for bp i would guess but i dunno

[worldly jungle]

86 with dragon, 81 with amethyst, 83 with amethyst and venator ring

[heady flicker]

I’ve never seen someone with such a low amethyst. You allergic to the mines or what?

[granite turret]

It's called spooning a tbow

[heady flicker]

He’s gonna say he didn’t spoon

|| 700 ehb with 2/3 Megas, (dupe shadow and all 3 of the cox ones) ||

[desert thorn]

1.4k is plenty what are you talking abt

[desert thorn]

you dont have proof

only lies

[heady flicker]

[heady flicker]

this boss is kinda hard ngl, but probably one of the most fun bosses in the game

[weary garden]

Just wait until you lock in on 8+ and 1-7 becomes a huge slog

[heady flicker]

Has been for a while, mostly dying to dumb stuff and watching youtube while doing it

literally next run I get a 0 supply 9 clear lmao

[ivory ravine]

Anybody have any tips or advice for grubs? I’m like 500 kc but I’m not sure how to deal with 3 melee grubs coming in when doom transitions to car phase and I need to get to my blow pipe tile

I usually just let them leak in but how does somebody like widega get 100 delves without letting a bunch of grubs in

[shell kraken]

The ones that just spawn as you kill the shield can be ignored, since the car has taken off before they can reach it.

If for example your shield is 80hp, but you have a ranger and 2 melees coming, you can kil lthe ranger earlier so you can proc the shield with one of the melees, then instantly kill the second melee after

You have some ticks spare after the shield dies

Or in your example if its just 3 melees and you need 1 only to finish the shield off, you could kill the melees from the back to the front if that makes sense

Theres multiple ways to go about it honestly. Another strat you can do is not stand next to the shield, but closer to the spawn location so you can just kill the melees as they spawn, and kill the range/mage grubs near doom from a distance

Getting a feel for the immunity period when it transitions is really useful, and hard to explain but you'll just get the feel for it eventually

[tulip spade]

main thing is being prepared to kill a larva or two away from the boss

[keen rapids]

also if there are two grubs overlapping, especially if different colors, i will kill at least one of them away from the boss

[night zephyr]

Turning on the larva plugin and enabling the death hiding made this a non-issue for me

[keen rapids]

what the hell is the larva plugin

[shell kraken]

larvae tracker

it colors the right click menu so you can easily see which one is which

also just hides them on exp drop

its rly op

[granite turret]

It's nyloer for grubs

[night zephyr]

I did the coloring menus myself week 1. But the death stuff helps too

[shell kraken]

what u use for that

i also recently enabled the clickboxes on the grubs

ugly as fuck but its pretty nice

[night zephyr]

Better npc highlight, but does larva tracker do it too now?

[shell kraken]

yeah

[weary garden]

Im about to give up on this dumbass cloth lmao

[timber sandal]

Never give up

[weary garden]

Easy for you to say

🥄 boy

[ebon rampart]

Finally after 45 minutes of delving and like 20 hours woodcutting the grind is almost over

[timber sandal]

I reject the spoon accusation! I was nearly on rate! Lol

[weary garden]

I think you were on rate for 1 unique lol

[timber sandal]

No I was on rate for 2, 25% for the third lol

This is what I ended as

It's lucky but I wouldn't call it a spoon

But yeah this feels like one of the worst bosses to go dry at, even tho the grind isn't long

Just cause it's such high intensity and the loot isn't that good

[main briar]

so excluding the pet, you're like 1/4 of the way to expected completion kc

so yeah that's pretty spoon

[mild orchid]

yea 🥄

[granite turret]

Own your spoons gamers

[timber sandal]

Or I won three coin tosses in a row. Not spooned! Lucky

OK spooned

Dry in so many places tho. Think it evens out somewhere

[weary garden]

What is this? I wanna throw mine in that

[granite turret]

Wiki calc

Extended*

[timber sandal]

Delve calc plug in

[weary garden]

Sweet, ima check it out tomorrow, ty

[timber sandal]

Interested to see how it is for U

[weary garden]

I think I’m on rate for 7 items now lol

[timber sandal]

And how many do u have

[main briar]

[weary garden]

5, 2 boot 3 eye

That makes me sick lmfao

[granite turret]

Gz

[timber sandal]

The "any" includes pets too and don't U have like 6 lol

Kinda puts it in perspective tho you're not even 3x dry on cloth. Dry on doom fuckin sucks fr

[paper escarp]

Depends

I really really like the loot

[night zephyr]

I mean yeah, but pet is a separate roll. The guy that made the plugin just shouldn't have it there.

[weary garden]

Ah that’s fair yeah, I’ve got 6.

[worldly nexus]

im legit so sick of this boss

never done aboss with this many deaths before

[granite turret]

First time?

[worldly nexus]

Log in > get a decent delve or two > die > get fustrated by the boss > log out

Im like 4x rate on the stuipd staff

[keen rapids]

there's certainly a morale aspect to it, you never really get to finish a kill on this boss like you do any other

so it's like every run is a failure in a sense

[worldly nexus]

I can't even say "this is a good boss to go dry on"

yeah man its so rough

[keen rapids]

unless you get shiny hole

[worldly nexus]

i went almost 5x rate for my bofa and it was less mentally taxing then doom

Waste most of the base loot and you need to focus so much

I use alot of game sounds to help my the timings of my stuff; so I can't even watch youtube / podcasts during 8+ which is most of the time

which makes the boss even more painful then it already is

but yeah, the consistent deaths so make it so hard to keep going, at least if you go dry at a normal boss its just a smooth rythm

throw up youtube and keep grinding; instead just standing here rearranging my inventory for the 100th time

.

[ivory ravine]

I’m at like 530 kc still having fun but

Multiply that by 2 and I might lose it

Also going for eye

[worldly nexus]

at least when you go dry other places you have fat stacks of base loot to show for it

Like at least you get good loot from something like this so it helps you cope

[keen rapids]

thats a nice deep delve ratio

[worldly nexus]

i farmed like 800 delves doing wave 7 resets when i started

before they released the rates

[keen rapids]

mine is still less than 1:8 and resetting for perfect doom definitely didn't help with that

[worldly nexus]

i mistakenly thought the rates would scale the same way the tears would

but yeah, you getting pretty good at anything when you have done it this much

idk just need to take a break, barely logged in this week and still tilt after a death

[keen rapids]

im just super inconsistent i either get to like 16 or die to a biden blast before 8 cause im half asleep

[granite turret]

Biden blast 😂

[worldly nexus]

this is going to sound dumb but the thing that kills me the most is the 2nd round of boulders at the start (even more then orb phases)

not the first round when you place them but when you get bad dps and don't push to shield phase and you get a 2nd set

idk why but i get just in a rythm and get very consistent no damage deep delves, then as soon as you get something a little different

i get out of sync by 1 tick on the flicks and eat everything

anyway, imo this is the worst designed reward system in the entirely of osrs

i would much prefer the colo system (there is a defined end wave) or you pay to enter and get to keep all the loot

or if for nothing else, please don't make me re-arrange my inventory every time; so mentally taxing

[granite turret]

Lmao I never even bothered, just bank and do full reset

It would be huge qol to keep it as is on death

[worldly nexus]

But yeah, the system sucks, i have like 150 deaths at doom, I have never died this often ever

[keen rapids]

yea always wanted this for tob, the auto re equip items thing was huge though

[worldly nexus]

it was like 40 deaths for quiver, 12 for infernal, nothing comes close to this crap

just give a 5x roll on wave 20 then force you to leave; that would fix it

[weary garden]

Same, so frustrating lol

[ivory ravine]

Half my shit doesn’t even get auto equipped. Is there a reason for this? Lol

[worldly nexus]

the items you project dont re-equip and items in quiver wont either

[night zephyr]

I started regaining some sanity this past week from getting more consistent runs to delve 14/15 and claiming there. At least according to ladlors simulations, I'm not hurting my time to completion a ton by claiming at that point. Plus I only bring 1 divine and that's about when it runs out.

[ivory ravine]

Ah

[night zephyr]

Also getting a drop and it not being a dupe finally after being at 4x expected items with only cloth helpedna lot.

[weary garden]

I’m gonna be so happy to get my cloth and never come back to this content lol

[worldly nexus]

If its working for you thats great but it really feels like I'm just prolonging the grind by claiming if I have enough supplies to get full prayer/hp

I very rare die due to lack of supplies, its basically always a giga damage stack

[night zephyr]

I mean charts don't have feelings. If I save myself some sanity and prevent burnout in exchange for taking 1-3 hours extra on the grind that's worth it for me.

[worldly nexus]

Thats fair, and agree if it works

I find my sanity draining from having to do 1-7 again tho

[night zephyr]

Truly a skill issue for all of us. If we were just as talented as widega or jackoo, we could have finished the boss weeks ago.

[keen rapids]

yea kinda annoying having to reequip tbow every time

[harsh saffron]

Can anyone explain how/when to move to avoid the falling rocks on double boulders?

I always get hit by the second one and it's not a lot of damage but it's enough to annoy me

[main briar]

Wait, click safe tile, click debris tile. If you're taking damage you probably aren't waiting

[weary garden]

To make that part a bit easier to understand, wait until first boulder blows up, move to a safe tile, wait 1 tick (wait until 2nd boulder blows up) then move to a tile that had debris on it

[worldly nexus]

A little tip to make it easier on timings, if you move 2 tiles away from a shaded tile, you can then walk to the tile with the shadow and you will always arrive 2 ticks later and dodge the first debris (don't need to worry about the timing)

walk as in hold ctrl

[weary garden]

I usually just click walk 2 tiles but that works too

[worldly nexus]

makes the hardest input a 2 tick window instead of 1 tick

[weary garden]

I’ve just been dying to orb phase when he does 2 attacks then boulder. I seem to always mess up the timing with moving with the orb and flicking

[worldly nexus]

my best advise for that is to set up a walk click then just focus on flicks

so proc > walk click > focus on flicks

its not 100% consistent as sometimes a rock can land on you

on in your path and it blocks you

but idk seems to work very consistently for me

another trick to remeber

is on the long axis between your two trees

the orb will always move 1 tile per tick along that long axis

so you can que up your walk before the orb is ontop of you and it lines up

so what i mean by that

is you stand on the red circle

and as the orb spawns, you walk click to the destination tree

and you can que up your walk action well in advance of when the flicks need to start happening

and you will walk into the orb a few seconds after it has spawned if that makes sence

just avoids you needing to que up movements while doing prayer flicking

[weary garden]

I think this is usually what I try, but I either mess up the timing of when the orb spawns and I’m walking outside, or I just forget where it’s going and miss by a tile lmao

I’m gonna try and actively focus on doing this though, ty this is helpful

[worldly nexus]

just ensure you inline or 1 step ahead of the t2 tree

and as soon as the orb spawns ctrl click

[heady flicker]

Have a coxieclick tab for withdrawing the supplies

Can also have top row (8 items for me) locked so they don’t get deposited

[worldly nexus]

when i die it puts my worn items into those locked slots?

[timber sandal]

At least 1-7 you could watch youtube/twitch. I only turned it off for 8+

[worldly nexus]

Yeah same, i also turn the metronome on for 8+ also

[night zephyr]

I noticed I do better 8+ when I keep the vids playing, just not looking at them lol

Got my PB listening to muts kill Huey lol

[granite turret]

That makes sense, since it's the same as having nothing on at all

[weary garden]

I rely a lot on the sounds of the projectiles so YouTube / music is out of the question for me lol

[heady flicker]

No, but for me as long as I equip 2 kept items (scobow anguish) before claiming grave I only have to move 2-3 items to my preferred slots.

It will probably vary based on what you have and where you want it to be

[timber sandal]

I have YouTube and sounds on at the same time, you hear both

[weary garden]

My brain too small lol, I get distracted easy

[ebon rampart]

Hello friends I have returned

Thanks for listening to my Ted talk

[civic surge]

Some people. :p

I've delved more in the last 2 hours than you have total.

[ebon rampart]

I have delved about two hours

probably less tbh

[civic surge]

All items with zero kc. It's almost like having green logged gwd off minions.

[night zephyr]

Hasn't even made it to wave 6. This is like green logging GWD off of clue steps lmao.

[ebon rampart]

Tbf I did try wave 6 once and died

But I also keep having to claim loot at waves 2 and 4 smh

No time to practice

[night zephyr]

Gonna get more KC from going for the CAs eventually than from getting all the uniques. Unethical

[civic surge]

Well it sounds like he didn't get the chance to get to wave 6. He kept having to claim unique drops rather than attempt wave 6. 😄

[granite turret]

Think that's the craziest log I've seen

[dense ginkgo]

Or run out of yellow to click

Aggressively brewing when you mess up and don't die from it is good unless you're able to make it to like 20 or something

[midnight arch]

So I'm only missing ZCB for a traditional set up, but I had some questions on what it is I should be bringing? Is an ancient godword worth bringing? Should I bring a few swaps for a scythe punish? Do I use BP just for car phase?

[shell kraken]

AGS is nice if you're delving deep

If you're just chilling and sending money runs then bp for specs is more than fine and easier to use probably

Dragon knives is also an option if you're looking for tree skips more often, but since they don't heal you its not great for delving deep

[midnight arch]

yeah I'm just starting off here, my main goal atm is just the unique items. So BP would be used primarily for healing? I guess you just tbow all of car phase?

[tulip spade]

pretty much yeah. ideally you bp spec a tree because they're guaranteed max

[timber sandal]

I've seen what God gives some people and I want it too

[shell kraken]

Bp spec is also better dps than tbow on car phase

And depending on drags etc you might get some extra hits in on 100% accuracy

[heady flicker]

Getting ayak first is nice to get passive tears for the upgrades, but also the least useful item for me

[dense ginkgo]

unless you're a tridenter

[north axle]

it's no longer 0 time for me

[night zephyr]

Now we ask jmods for breakdown option of cloth.

[north axle]

somehow never did this

[weary garden]

this makes me very upset

[ebon rampart]

I'm upset for you as well

Don't blame ya

[weary garden]

just did the math, im on rate for almost 8 items. dry 3 uniques :/

[desert thorn]

i recommend not doing math that will make you sad

[civic surge]

But it's the hate that drives me forward

[weary garden]

New PB! Never thought I'd see level 20 with scobow / BP

[tulip spade]

very nice

[weary garden]

also 3k total delves

[weary garden]

ive gone from about 15k darrows to a little under 5k. should I start bringing an amethyst swap to save arrows?

[paper escarp]

Sure

I’ve been doing amethyst up to wave 7 then swapping in the quiver to dragon for 8

[civic surge]

I also am in genuine danger of straight up running out of supplies on this encounter

I've used thousands of prayer/restores 😄

[alpine jewel]

damn u guys are using dragon arrows on money runs?

[weary garden]

i guess ill start swapping

[weary garden]

same lol

[weary garden]

never thought I'd go dry enough to put a dent in my huge stack lmao

[civic surge]

Me either but here I am.

[ivory ravine]

free

got a wave 20 pb on that last run too

Great way to end it

[north axle]

just delve deeper on your dupe clothes folks

[tulip spade]

next update dismantle option

[weary garden]

No clue what that is, dupe cloth?

[wise spire]

As much as I like the whole "you need to have levels in non combat skills you dumb fucks", the untradable drop that needs another rare drop is kinda doodoo

[night zephyr]

Triple cringe cause it also requires you to dump 10k tears into it

[north axle]

new max mage yama solo seems pretty strong

[worldly nexus]

very imbalanced between main vs irons

mains don't really risk at at doom as most of the GP is in the uniques and they are never risked

where as the resources are important for irons and that is risked when going deeper so there is actually a risk vs reward payoff

that top of cloth dupes being useless imo is very poor design

as if irons being able to sell their dupes matters when botting is as out of control as it is

[wise spire]

eh, these specific resources aren't really that important for us either, but I do agree with the sentiment

[worldly nexus]

dragon ammo not important?

aether/cballs/cash seeds

idk seems like good iron loot to me

[wise spire]

darts are pretty whatever for the most part

aether is flooded after doing yama

cballs don't have that much use really, gp is free, and seeds are free

like it's not bad loot, but it's not some critical pile of things you have to think about

just click next until gold hole

[worldly nexus]

aether is only fine if they keep adding sources of it

[heady flicker]

You don’t get enough to use freely at all

[worldly nexus]

if they dont add more sources

[wise spire]

idk what yall are doing with your aether runes man

[worldly nexus]

your going to run out evuentally

[wise spire]

I have 75k of this shit

[heady flicker]

Goes by fast

[wise spire]

doing what?

[granite turret]

I put them in my rune pouch

[heady flicker]

Pvm, raids

[wise spire]

what are you casting that uses them so much though

like thralls are just 1 rune

[granite turret]

And DC

[wise spire]

unless you're spamming demonbane with them or something stupid they really don't get used up that fast

[worldly nexus]

you need to consider

yama had just come out

you need to stretch them years

[granite turret]

I mean it's one slot

Or smuggle

Not gonna change any pvm

Might as well use them

[wise spire]

I'm not saying to not use them

I just don't understand how you could use them so much to actually want to claim before a unique

it's just not that critical or rare of a resource

[worldly nexus]

unsure how you can say aether is not rare

very limited sources

and once you completed those bosses, thats it

[wise spire]

I have SEVENTY FIVE THOUSAND

I have more hours of these things than I do sara brews after 99 herb

[granite turret]

~400 ish hours of pvm assuming master CAs

Seems good to me

And that's assuming you summon and cast DC all the time

[wise spire]

not to mention that they dropped yama, then the immediate next update added like 3 more sources of the item

(also still dry on 3rd oathplate)

[worldly nexus]

i understand you have plenty when it hasnt been in the game and just finished grinding it

but when your done grinding, and thats it for a very long time, its going to run out

i dont think your thinking far enough ahead but i see im not going to change your mind

[wise spire]

Zulrah scales are a worse time ratio than aether, and I still wouldn't claim them if they were in delve loot

[granite turret]

If you run out of zulrah scales you can't pipe anymore
If you run out of aether... You just keep playing because it makes no significant difference

[main briar]

I really just don't value a single inventory spot that highly

so i can't imagine ever using 90k casts at one of those places that really needs inventory space

[night zephyr]

I mean having 90k is also not anywhere near the norm.

You expect to finish (with dupe protection) at like 1,100 duos IIRC. That's 34k aether. Minus 7.5k for radiant and you are already down to 27k aether. Let's say you want to use it at tob.

That's pretty much your entire aether stack on the way to scythe (assuming you never are on a freeze role)

[main briar]

I don't think tob is one of those places where that extra slot is particularly valuable

[ivory ravine]

Wait, Yama is 1100 duos?

[heady flicker]

Let us trade in oath shards for aether at a reasonable rate. Would make target farming aether runes a lot better

Obviously not worth it still, but better

[main briar]

i sould be very surprised if i ever used 10k of the things

[night zephyr]

My coffered 350 shards would not be happy with this.

[whole escarp]

Seems like they will add more sources as time goes

[desert thorn]

whats the strat for speed task without zcb, i guess with masori +darrows and melee switches for big punishes should be enough

[granite turret]

#1393419290589265960 message

[shell kraken]

U have tbow right? 3t tbow is the biggest time save

[desert thorn]

yas

3t tbow?

[granite turret]

Watch the vid

It's got all the tech, just no tbow

[shell kraken]

If you bp a grub the tick after you shoot ur tbow

[heady flicker]

blowpipe grub like he does

[shell kraken]

You are on the attack cd of the bp hit

So you can tbow boss 2 ticks after again

[desert thorn]

damn thats some good tech

[granite turret]

Preswitch melee on rock throw also saves some good time early

And then it's just tank charge

[desert thorn]

should be enough

[nimble crest]

even with zcb u need a crap load of luck for 7:15

[shell kraken]

Nah, if you 3t correctly where possible its basically 1nd

Its pretty difficult to do every strat right though

[keen rapids]

I didn't 3t tbow, that's hard to actually execute

Big thing is tanking the shield blasts to skip grub phases

[shell kraken]

Its ofc possible with just tanking the shields, but then you need rng. 3t tbow is what makes it hard, but consistent (along with the other strats, tanking shield, insta melee punish, etc)

[paper patrol]

The setup for delve if following the chart, would be scobo + chally only right?

What delve level is good to consistent get to with this setup? Anyone Got an idea?

[main briar]

With zcb tbow I genuinely think it's like 1/3 or better odds

[nimble crest]

Hmm rly

[proven owl]

i think ppl underestimate how many ticks they lose at this boss

i know i was far from tick perfect when i did the boss

it's not a very easy boss but i do think the time is much more reasonable than ppl think if we assume minimal tick loss

[nimble crest]

i mean that is true but variance is still hella high

can get a 1min wave 1/2 just from tbow not hitting,low rolling

[proven owl]

tbow rng prob evens out okayish since its a pretty long fight but ye first couple of waves can be crazy fast with a bunch of melee punishes and good rng

[nimble crest]

melee punishes are also very rng

[proven owl]

ye

[nimble crest]

get like 5 in a row boss dies instantly

[proven owl]

but i don't think you need perfect rng to get the time

perfect rng is a 5 min kill

[nimble crest]

is that like a best of wave 1-8 pbs
i am GIGA coping on not havin zcb as the reason why i suck at the 1-8 ca

[proven owl]

i dunno what wr is or best of wave 1-8

i just know clannie got 5:40 or something a couple of weeks after release

[nimble crest]

tf

[proven owl]

so im assuming its in that range

[nimble crest]

cos 30 sec w1/w2 and 1 min f3-f8 is 7 min

[shell kraken]

Zcb is easy to use and consistent but 3t chally is really strong

[main briar]

I spent an hour potting it yesterday after someone was complaining. Got it 3 times, 1 wave 3 reset, 1 failed orb skip on 5, and died 2x to low iq

[keen rapids]

Melee punish rng might be the biggest decider of whether you get the time

I also don't have zcb btw

[north axle]

It's the biggest decider of if you get a 4:25 wave 5 and reset sure

But you can have pretty speedy wave 6 7 8

And make the time back

[keen rapids]

I pretty much only reset if I didn't get a fast time out of wave 2 because wave 3 is where you start taking blasts, no sense wasting brews on that

[north axle]

I did that too but my point is that I don't think it was actually optimal

[weary garden]

does anyone know the math of how many deep delves you should see a unique on avg?

[main briar]

Depends how deep you are going

[weary garden]

17-19 avg

[main briar]

Should seen an item ~1/13 runs. Each run is ~11 deep delves so like 150ish

[night zephyr]

Can't wait for them to nerf doom rates in 2 years when the eye is 10m

[heady flicker]

Whenever I don't get to place my 2 rocks at 8+ I just go and nuke all my rocks, do zero dps and die

[timber sandal]

U can place two rocks at once

[heady flicker]

I'm aware, but those 2 rocks wont reach the second tile used to block him on his center tile

I'm just fucking up on the freestyle solves for car phase

[shell kraken]

I delay my attacks if he hasnt thrown a boulder yet

Rather lose a few seconds

[spice nest]

Can also wait for 2nd set of boulders for lower hp going into car phase

[heady flicker]

Is this based on a hp threshold?

[shell kraken]

Yeah, 75%

If you pass that then he will transition to shield phase

[heady flicker]

That’s very good to know tbh

[weary garden]

Isn’t there a method to only need one set of boulders?

I use Gnomonkeys setup which probably isn’t ideal since it leaves the boss back in the middle after car phase, but I get to about 18 on avg with it

[shell kraken]

I mean you can place the two rocks so you can use it to block first two slams with

You need a random rock for the third one

[weary garden]

Ahh I see

I’ve been considering switching to that method but I’m already 800 deep delves with Gnomonkeys method so I don’t wanna change lmao

[main briar]

I just haven't bothered with doing 2 full bodyblocks, seems very overkill if you aren't going extremely deep

[shell kraken]

What you're doing is probably fine

Theres only some alternate placings/backup strats for if u wanna go 6h logs

[shell kraken]

You need two sets of boulders to set that up, so ideally you would never have that

[worldly nexus]

i use widegas placement and imo its alot better

you block the 2nd stomp, not the first

[shell kraken]

I use the one where I place them on the corner close to the boss

[worldly nexus]

you spend alot of time in the corner which doesnt get covered in acid which is nice

[shell kraken]

So you dont have any body blocks, but you just have the two rocks in line with the first slam so you protect the second one

[worldly nexus]

you camp a tile right in the corner of the arena instead of in-line with the boss

oh yeah thats the one

imo its by far the best

most liekly to get a rock to hide for 3rd slam also

[shell kraken]

Idk I think they're all fine. Upside of this one is you can just insta melee punish and chill

[weary garden]

This is what I was thinking about using

That one has a lot less acid that gets placed in the middle yeah?

[worldly nexus]

i use thralls for post shield and chally and acid isnt that big of a deal until 18ish typically

[shell kraken]

I stopped bringing thralls at all

My runs are limited now by supplies and not by dps or w/e, so I rather run a few more levels deeper with less dps, rather than having to claim a bit earlier

Anything to not do 1-7 as often

[worldly nexus]

do you have zcb?

[shell kraken]

No

Scobo/bp

[worldly nexus]

idk i found it alot more consistent when using thralls at skipping orbs

[shell kraken]

I dont think that banking on orb skips is good

[worldly nexus]

the 20ish dmg they bring between start of car and slams starting in orbs can easily make the difference

[shell kraken]

Better to just learn all the scenarios post car

[worldly nexus]

im not saying you dont learn it, but it helps to not have to deal with it

its still easy to get KO'd or waste alot of supplies, even when you learn it

[shell kraken]

Just bping car phase I have enough skips to clear acid that I need to

[worldly nexus]

idk even with thralls i dont find acid to be a big deal like ever

sometimes you take a 7 because you need to step in it; pretty w/e

[main briar]

how deep are your runs?

[shell kraken]

Yeah acid not being a big deal sounds weird

[worldly nexus]

very consistent 15-16, sometimes go to 20 depending on rng

[weary garden]

When I’m around 18-20 I find myself stepping in 4-5 acid pools per run just to not fuck up where the car goes

Probably mostly bad pathing but I try not to lose ticks attacking

[worldly nexus]

if your using the gnomemonkey method

[shell kraken]

Acid rng is also a thing, sometimes I dont have to clear until like 20

[worldly nexus]

your acid is going to be alot worse because of that

[shell kraken]

Sometimes I have to start clearing at 12

Also scobo just doesnt help versus tbow, many more hit splats

[worldly nexus]

i also typically push the car to the opposite corner to where i place my first rock

so all acid that it drops post car doesnt overlap bugs

looks like this

if the acid doesnt spawn north or west, i will sometimes lure it in a line below slam 2 if the bolder positioning it better

sorry doesnt spawn north or easy (as if this pic has north going up)

[shell kraken]

Ah yeah im using a diff rock setup

[worldly nexus]

to get him to push far enough you need to be out of tbow range

so you gotta step out on the right tick and he goes almost to the corner on the opposite side

[worldly nexus]

gives you an extra tick of car phase + makes the acid from post-car not important

[weary garden]

Are you still mega dry Kaz? Lol

[worldly nexus]

over 4k rate on the eye now

4x*

thats alot harder to place those rocks

[shell kraken]

i use yours as backup

but this one has a lot of options

a lot of tiles that work

[worldly nexus]

with my rock placement, you start on rock 1, click to move as it dips towards rock 2

when the 2nd rock explosdes, you click back towards rock 1

[shell kraken]

yeah i know but yours is much harder to melee punish with without losing a lot of time

[worldly nexus]

you dont have precise clicks, just kind anywhere in that direction

[weary garden]

I’m catching up to you lol, you’re over 1k deep delves right? I don’t think there’s many of us left that frequent this thread that are still hunting

[shell kraken]

i basically changed to this for the speed times and just sticking with it

[worldly nexus]

thats fair, but losing like 4 ticks at the start of the fights doesnt feel that important

[shell kraken]

its a huge timersaver especially when you get to 3t chally

should be more than 4 ticks

if you dont insta melee which you probably do not do (i believe thats tick perfect), you basically melee punish on one of the last ticks possible

[worldly nexus]

you lose 2 ticks reguardless (swap to chally (1 tick), wait for spec bar (2tick))

[shell kraken]

scobo :)

has spec bar

[worldly nexus]

fair

tbh its alot easier to execute and you spend alot less time in areas that are often full of acid

but i agree, its a very slight time save but in a part of that fights where its not really important

[shell kraken]

the timesave is more than u think

if you insta melee punish, if its a nhally or scythe for example

you get to shoot another tbow shot pre shield

which often results into deeper pushes, easier skips

[worldly nexus]

if you dont proc deep, you get another shot anyway

if its a deep proc he does it a tick sooner, unsure of exactly how it works

[shell kraken]

well yeah, but if your melee punish just gets it past the treshhold your tbow will be on shield

[worldly nexus]

but if i hally him to 73%, my tbow hits his normal hp bar after chally

if i proc to like 65% it wont

[shell kraken]

yeah its because the recoil hits are a tick later

so if your normal melee damage procs it then you hit next shot on shield

but it happens a lot that for example it melee punishes the second boulder set (at least for me with scobo), where i can get really deep procs

because of that

[worldly nexus]

wasn't aware of that, fair enough

[shell kraken]

also when first set is delayed a bit it often happens

with a tbow/zcb it probably matters less, but this allows me to do way more important cleaning on deeper levels

[worldly nexus]

i legit never clean

i often have him finish car in the opposite side of the room

[shell kraken]

no if ur running to 15/16 with a tbow u shouldnt ever clean

that sounds like a waste of time

[worldly nexus]

so even if i kill him on the right tick and get free orbs to clean

[shell kraken]

but if u want to delve deeper you have to

[worldly nexus]

the trees are so far away from relevant acid

i can't clean anything meaningful

oh im not going for pbs in depth

[shell kraken]

yeah thats because ur slam 3 is not ideal

[worldly nexus]

im farming uniques

[shell kraken]

the placement is like in the corner it matters the least

[shell kraken]

its better to go deeper

always

[worldly nexus]

going for sustain strats is less uniques/hr

[main briar]

[shell kraken]

id like to see calcs for that

[main briar]

if it gets substanyially slower, this will not be true

[shell kraken]

yeah probably

[worldly nexus]

you allowing trees to spawn so you can clean acid?

instead of just killing him earlier

[shell kraken]

sometimes

[worldly nexus]

:/

[shell kraken]

if important tiles are blocked and i get to skip

e.g. i have it redbarred in car phase

[worldly nexus]

i just kill the boss and click hole

[shell kraken]

ill delay 2 ticks

[worldly nexus]

idk if you saw the calcs from ladlor

but you get diminising returns on expected time to completion with depth

[shell kraken]

half the cleaning is while the hole spawns

[worldly nexus]

the overall reduction in time to completion really flattens out around w15ish

[shell kraken]

if you take a look at the 6h wr attempts the fellas are doing, you see a lot of cleaning is almost 0time

i think the insta melee punish makes up more time than the occasional cleaning costs, compared to what you do if that makes sense

[worldly nexus]

I mean if you have to clean acid to allow you to use those tiles i dunno, but i agree it would better if acids not a problem

[shell kraken]

what i mean with this here is that you can get the trees to spawn as it dies. thers also another option that if you kill the 2nd tree the tick after you shoot the killing blow on doom, it also spawns the orb as it is dying (and it stays up)

im not like delaying 10 seconds so i can walk the orb while just tanking hits to clean up a few acid spots

[worldly nexus]

Hard to estimate but around 30%ish of my kills he doesnt even get out of car phase

and maby about 30-40% he dies before slams proc

Cant see it being a time save playing with the orbs tbh

just kill him and click hole

[shell kraken]

out of the times you kill it in the car phase, keep track how many times its on the last shot

im gonna guess its about fifty fifty

[worldly nexus]

hard to esimate but would be about right

[shell kraken]

all those times you kill it on the last shot, you are able to get "free" acid cleans by losing 1-2 ticks

[worldly nexus]

if you lure him in a spot where the acid is a problem you can use it to clearn, yes

if you lure him out of the way, it doesnt really matter