Osto-Ayak (Doom of Mokhaiotl)

[timber sandal]

Just melee punish

Gn

[tulip spade]

not sure what gnomonkey's looks like, but if you're trying to set up rock block, the video I posted above covers how to do that reliably

it's probably better than gnomonkey's

[timber sandal]

i think i got it down now

lfg

melee punish goes up

switch to chally

first boulder breaks

move to a safe tile

then click boss

and when second boulder breaks start pray

i did it once successfully

happy

lfgg

now at 9 deep delves 450 total

going for first delve 9 rn

i died

rip

hate misclicking on second tree

and its a fucked tree

heart racing

my method for melee punish works well because if i go to melee range of the boss, i can run out in the middle of the prayers when they repeat

[dense ginkgo]

[split saffron]

i got my first 8 shortly after switching from gnomonkey rock block to widega. was so much better

[tulip spade]

i've just been doing pecanbread's rock block

gnomonkey's looks pretty similar? but less well explained cause it's gnomonkey

[split saffron]

does pecanbread have a rock block? last of his stuff i saw was just " hide behind rocks"

[tulip spade]

oops not pecanbread

i meant sidewalk tiles

[split saffron]

ohh gnomonkey is fair bit different than that. but i think sidewalk is alot better

[bitter vortex]

is sidewalk widega?

[worldly jungle]

Most recent pinned video by Muffyn

[bitter vortex]

thank you, that does look simple

what's the verdict on thralls for money kc? are people using them? any rules like only during car or otherwise

[verbal edge]

probably bad

so much extra acid

[night zephyr]

I don't use them, but if you do, only during car.

Don't seem worth 2 inv slots to me.

But fine for learning 1-8.

[civic surge]

I summon a thrall immediately at the start of shield phase. Thrall is done pretty much at the end of car phase. For me as a void/scobow/blowpipe user, it is often the difference between playing an orb phase and not.

[north axle]

I use them and run out of my 1x divine before I have acid issues

If I brought more than one divine I'd ditch thralls

[bitter vortex]

good notes thanks all

[tulip spade]

summoning at the start of shield phase is a good shout

[timber sandal]

finally got delve 9

and almost got 10 too

learning so quick now

thanks for all yall help

500 total delves, 12 deep delves, zero items, hope that changes soon

really starting to click now

this is the most rewarding boss ive ever done in the game

in terms of how it makes u feel

shit makes u feel like a god

[tulip spade]

yeah it's hella satisfying

[wise spire]

has nobody applied for the deepest delve role yet?

[granite turret]

Damen has it iirc

[vocal girder]

any1 got tips on making boulders more visible? i swear 50% of my deaths are cuz i didnt manage to see the boulder color lol

[worldly nexus]

Theres a plugin called Doom colorblind helper which lets you swap the boulders but I personally found it didn't help

on early waves you have plenty of time to see which projectile is going to hit you first, at 8+ you can see the second boulder at the time you need to start praying that makes it really easy

[vocal girder]

yeah i tried that but it didnt help that much sadly. Orbs kinda blend in sometimes when you are not staring at them directly, but idk if its a me issue.

[worldly nexus]

If your still learning the boss its likely an issue of brain overlord, your trying to process alot of information at onces so things are not sticking

Just keep going with the boss, the more you do it the less strain all the mechanics will have on your brain, then you will have more bandwidth to look at the colours and remeber them for when the projectiles hit you

[vocal girder]

makes sense

[granite turret]

Camera angle can help too

[wise spire]

962 delves with no uniques

about 2.2x over rate according to maths

[keen rapids]

damen had it but didn't want it anymore lol

no one else has applied

[timber sandal]

Is there a calc for drops?

[granite turret]

wiki has one you can plug in all your delv numbers

[timber sandal]

Ur right I found it ty

[unborn girder]

@timber sandal wish i just recorded last run, almost go through delve 12

think i can offically say that it has clicked

acid is real annoying to deal with

[wise spire]

I also built my own in excel for generic unique chance since the wiki one shows each unique individually

[wise spire]

how high was damen at?

I know dayoh was at like 30 or whatever

[unborn girder]

are you referring to this?

as an example

generic unique chance would be the sum of the unique chances

[keen rapids]

18

[unborn girder]

3.128% chance in example above for one of the 3 item uniques

[wise spire]

bruh

my record is 18, aint no way

[wise spire]

This one is better: https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Calculator:Doom_of_Mokhaiotl_Completions_Calculator

My personal one though just saves me 3 seconds of using a calculator to add up the values, and also computes the total # of hrs spent, as well as expected hrs per unique

[unborn girder]

ohh you were referring to expect quantity relative to how many of each delve you've done. I misunderstood. Thought you meant unique chance for any given go depending how far you go

[wise spire]

ye the chance for depth is easy

[unborn girder]

yep

[wise spire]

the real useful information (which I use to complain) is dryness

[unborn girder]

justification for complaining is important

[wise spire]

[unborn girder]

although it would be nice if that wiki calculator you posted could import your delves directly from server/runelite, however that typically works

just like how it imports your CAs for comparison

[wise spire]

typically that would use hiscores

the individual delve completions aren't stored in an easily accesible way for the wiki afaik

[unborn girder]

something someone much nerdier than I can work on maybe XD

[wise spire]

would need to be like a passive script that checks everytime you click the board

[unborn girder]

how does it pull CAs?

is it based on checking that log?

[wise spire]

that's one that I never understood

[unborn girder]

@tribal igloo if someone would know, maybe this guy

[tribal igloo]

CAs are stored in varbits which are sent to the wiki when they change. The scoreboard doesn't use varbits. You can extract the values from the widget when it is loaded

[timber sandal]

So I should've had around one unique by now? Rip

On its way soon then

I love doom

I feel stuck in the car walk tech for floor 8+ tho. Like if I get acid on both my two lanes, I'm cooked lol

Anyone have a good advanced deep delve guide with tiles? Feel like everyone's using some crazy tile packs

[worldly nexus]

Its pretty hard to get acid on your starting tile if you use Widega's method

also ensure your luring the car to a good spot to ensure it doesn't rag your tiles after the car phase too

[vocal girder]

How much better is widega compared to sidestep

[stuck cape]

I swapped the boulders for zebak attacks

[weary garden]

I’ve been doing Gnomonkey tech w/ blowpipe for a while now, is it worth switching to the widega method?
I feel like it’s hard for me to find a good acid clear to continue the boss past 12-13 unless I’m lucky

[spice nest]

Sidestep is just more consistent orb phase skipping since you drag da car phase as far as possible

But for deep delves is probably best to learn orb phase and do widega tiles

[tulip spade]

i've been feeling that sidewalk isn't setting me up optimally for orb, i should try widega

too many rocks laying around and blocking orb spawns

[north axle]

Have tile markers for both

[weary garden]

If you do widega, do you have to wait for 2 boulders every time?

[nova solstice]

nah

his new tech is just 1 bould

[north axle]

Widega is just sidewalk but backwards and not diagonal and on the opposite side of the room

They both are just 'run during first rock throw to place boulders to block the first two cars'

Sidewalk places b1 under the boss widega places b2

[tulip spade]

my main interest is in where doom ends up at the end of car phase and how many rocks are cleared

[north axle]

I have markers for both and get to use the west nw north for widega, and east southeast south for sidewalk

[tulip spade]

and how that influences orb spawns

[north axle]

And never ever have rock issue

But I prefer widega because it's generally easier to set up after shield grubbing

[granite turret]

if you use the normal sidewalk tiles properly you should be getting huge stretches of orb path

[tulip spade]

hmm

maybe it's an issue of where i place extra boulders when i get them

[worldly nexus]

I use the widega tiles and i drag the car 3 ticks on the final charge pretty consistently; are you sure you get more uptime with sidestep?

I find it easier to setup even as the second stomp is the full null stomp so I have plenty of time to setup my position for the long drag, using the other tiles the first stomp is the null so my positioning is restricted for the 2nd time and i sometimes dont have time to setup a 3 tick charge if theres lots of acid

[dawn robin]

Where did you find the widega tiles

[timber sandal]

Got my first drop today. Cloth. On a fucking floor 4 lol. 584 total delves 20 deep delves

Hoping the good luck continues

[granite turret]

Go into his stream and type !tiles or smth, can also scroll back in a vod

[gleaming hare]

https://nightbot.tv/t/widega_/commands
!tiles
only works on 8 and above: https://pastebin.com/ZFU9rLY7 - go to B.1 from the west B if doing the 1 boulder method used in the 221 delve run - dragging: https://www.twitch.tv/widega_/clip/KnottyBumblingAdminPeteZaroll-g__TMpV_-o6FYrc3 boulders: https://www.twitch.tv/widega_/clip/SmallBoxyLlamaOSkomodo-rCbr_wJrra_48tIH - if u want to go super deep consider doing the D3 drag one tile north for proper cleaning (only if he is not shooting acid north to be safe)

[granite turret]

Or that

[gleaming hare]

oh apparently he also has !newtiles
boulders https://www.twitch.tv/widega_/clip/AltruisticVivaciousSwallowCoolStoryBob-OiJfl0yfk2bO2pD3 lure https://www.twitch.tv/widega_/clip/BoredDarkElkWow-aQZp55TNNiMeZXCF

[dawn robin]

thank you bro

[vocal girder]

any1 else got clunky hitboxes specifically on range larvae?

[north axle]

pber

might have to go to janitorial school and bring 2 divines

[paper patrol]

Holy fk learning the rock Block fucks me up so much more than its helping me atm i feel

[north axle]

I can definitely get to 20ish if i stop taking as much damage, I only take two normal range pots in so I am pretty heavily gated if I end up brewing after every wave

[paper patrol]

im consistent getting to wave 6 now, its better to keep trying to push further than to just loot wave 6 right?

still practicing with hard food

[night zephyr]

Always worth it to keep pushing

[paper patrol]

thought so aswell

[vocal girder]

Is it worth learning to clear acid w scobo/deadeye/rune arrows?

[signal cipher]

if ur good enough eventually yes

how are deep are your runs rn

[placid vortex]

Worth bringing bp if I’m still struggling to clear 7? Idk if I’ll just get dragged and die to car

[keen rapids]

sidewalk tech good for bping the car

[placid vortex]

Yeah I’m doing sidewalk on 6/7

[unborn girder]

its same thing on 8

[placid vortex]

Havnt made it to car on 8 yet 😭

[signal cipher]

ye id never bank bp

just learn how to use it on car

[placid vortex]

Better to learn it earlier then ig

[signal cipher]

mark the tiles where youre within bp range that work for the lures

matt posted some vids in this channel that are very good showing bp car

[placid vortex]

I’m just glad delve deaths cost 6k

[dense ginkgo]

You have more inventory space if you're not making it to 8 if anything, I used to bring Chally and dual macs and BOTD, death runes, probably something else I'm forgetting

[unborn girder]

it cost a little more once you start bringing eye but ya nice to not be big cost

[placid vortex]

I’m running pretty bare bones invent ,1 way chally plus botd thralls

Tbow carrying hard 😎

[signal cipher]

oh i didnt realize u were bowing

ye still run bp for sure

youll easily get more than a brews worth of hp out of the spec if you dont have dps specs

[placid vortex]

I’ll give it a go when I get home

Does anyone have that video that Matt sent? I scrolled way up but couldn’t find it

[signal cipher]

he was showing bp methods which you wouldnt be worrying about with tbow

but i can find them real quick

#1393419290589265960 message

[placid vortex]

Tyty

[paper patrol]

did you guys a million times aswell when learning?

[dense ginkgo]

I've never done a guy personally

[tulip spade]

i've been looking for a resource like this, would be cool if we could pin it

[unborn girder]

just got dupe boots 😮

still no cloth 😦

all my uniques have been on wave 7 oddly

any reason not to trade over to main for GP?

[dense ginkgo]

not really

[north axle]

you need a spare for the heroes guild stash

[unborn girder]

I don't see that on the wiki, unless you were joking and I missed it 😅

[night zephyr]

It's dragon boots but a joke

You can put treads in also

I think only when prims are added though

[unborn girder]

So i got past lvl 13 delve. The acid becomes such a problem. Any tips or just have to learn how to clear with orb

also struggling a little when I dont place the 2nd boulder due to misplacement or killing down to shield phase too quick. Freestyle running around messes me up a bit

[night zephyr]

Couple methods to still brute through acid

1. Killing melee grubs early
2. Killing range/mage grubs early so that you finish it off with a melee grub not taking acid damage
3. Eat the acid damage and heal up from trees using BP specs/using brews

Learn how to clear but also recognize you get to point of diminishing returns 15+, so don't worry too much about it.

[unborn girder]

Did you get to like 30? lol

How is it even possible

[night zephyr]

You should be using a method that sets up at least 2 viable boulders from one boulder attack. (i.e., sidewalk) Get good at that and not messing it up regardless of taking acid damage it's worth it to take acid damage to see up if needed.

My PB is 16 with a scobo lol.

[unborn girder]

yeah im pretty good as placing the 2, just occasionally mess it up

[night zephyr]

Scoboers just get so much more acid than tbowers so it's hard to compare if you are comparing to them.

[unborn girder]

are you flicking or how many restores you bring in for that?

ya no t bow here 😄

[night zephyr]

I flick 1-7 but bring in like 6 restores I think

[unborn girder]

i bring 6 too, but dont flick at all

that got me through 13

[night zephyr]

Even on my 16 death it was a skill issue I had like 4 brews 2 restores left

Turn off rigour during shield phase for sure

If you aren't already

[unborn girder]

deadeye for me

but yeah i turn it off

[night zephyr]

I wouldn't worry about it too much

[unborn girder]

ill prob just continue go as deep as I can until i know im out of enough supplies to do the next

[night zephyr]

If you are getting close to 15 you are getting a good % of the value of delving deep

[unborn girder]

or until i die from mistakes, whichever comes first

[night zephyr]

Can't wait to jump back in to delve when my bingo is over. We finished the delve tile so quick.

[unborn girder]

definitely fun content, but kind of stinks that you pretty much get 0 loot

at least if your me, i pretty much go until i die X D

[night zephyr]

Yeah for sure pushing until you die is rough.

I've looted less than 10 times in like 1300 delves.

[unborn girder]

let me see

ive looted 48 times in 1176 devles, but i looted like 35 of those first day I did on like wave 1-5 to feel good about myself LOL

you know its pretty challenging content when you see tons of maxed guys in the lobby area with inferno KC and 0 deep delves on highscoores

8 was a real learning curve

[night zephyr]

Yeah will be nice to have a decent rank from deep delves. I'm already top 3k from only 124 deep delves.

Just hope I don't go so dry to be an insane rank

[unborn girder]

whats ur log look like atm?

[night zephyr]

Cloth only

[unborn girder]

we're opposites

[night zephyr]

On rate for about 3 uniques per wiki

[night zephyr]

Ah I wish

[unborn girder]

need that cloth before I go inferno

I imagine it being really strong for retry freezes on nibblers/meele

[night zephyr]

I wouldn't worry about it tbh

Generally refreezing nibblers/ freezing melee are bad strats

[unborn girder]

i know i could do it without it ya, but now that i got 2/3 items i feel like I can't leave

or might need to relearn this down the line

[night zephyr]

For sure stay for cloth though

Insane item combined with eye

[unborn girder]

Can't wait to use it at different places

learning 8+ feels so gratifying. I was very agravated for 3 days straight dying on 8 lol

[tulip spade]

just had my first experience of pushing to shield phase before getting any boulders lol

that was fun

i'm getting more consistent at reaching 10-11

[tulip spade]

never claim always die 🤝

[paper patrol]

Oh so you guys actually never really loot and just go as deep as possible always? I guess only loot when you finish a Wave with no supplies left?

[tulip spade]

yeah, either that or when acid becomes unbearable

which in practice means i almost never claim, i usually eat shit on something first

[granite turret]

I looted like 5-6 times total until all uniques

[tulip spade]

missing out on the dragon dart tips is a little sad but other than that the loot is nothing to write home about so i don't feel much pressure to claim

[unborn girder]

a true delver

[wise spire]

I'll loot if it's shards and several teleports or something

[dense ginkgo]

I claim moon keys, elites, and splinters

[wise spire]

but 99% of the time it's just send until death

which honestly kinda blows

doesn't feel like you're actually getting kc

just repeatedly dying to dumb things

[paper patrol]

Well then I shouldnt tilt that much when dying

[heady flicker]

This feels like the type of boss that should have its own section in the discord and not just a thread in update discussions

[tulip spade]

quite possibly

[unborn girder]

man it feels so good to consistently run 10+ now. I appreciate you fellas for the tips when I was struggling and for anyone out there struggling on 8, know that you'll get it eventually once you find your mental queues and it will click. Its tough content and I did a ton of 7s like 50-60 before I got my first 8.

[arctic niche]

doom done

[dense ginkgo]

Looks like 5/6 to me

[arctic niche]

honestly going for pet sounds really fun post tbow/zcb definitely one i wana get true clog completed for

[night zephyr]

Going for a big PB post tbow/ZCB would be super fun

Id definitely aim for 30

[timber sandal]

I'm a deadeye rune arrow scobo guy. Do yall think it'd be worth to bring a Darrow switch just for waves 8+

I've got like 5k darrows

[arctic niche]

its 12 more ranged str i think this is definitely best place to use darrows imo

[maiden cedar]

I thought I was going insane cuz this happens to me and idk why

[upper needle]

It happens sometimes and sometimes not. I do 2 different set up blocking both but some works some don’t

[maiden cedar]

Yeah happens sometimes and idgi

[upper needle]

Hopefully widega is on at some point see if I can get him to have a look lol

[civic surge]

I have also had this happen and I don't record myself so I usually just say "I must have messed up somehow. Guess I suck."

But now I see maybe I'm not crazy. :p

[upper needle]

I only recorded it because it kept happening lol

[tulip spade]

just died because the 2nd boulder didn't make a sound, maybe i should rethink this

the sound of rocks landing should do as well, i guess

[unborn girder]

yooooooo just got the pet 😄

first run of the day lol

everything before cloth including some dupe is crazy

[main briar]

Not particularly

All the items are about equally likely to be last and most people will have some dupes

[unborn girder]

well its the most common, but yeah not by much

i guess it depends how deep one goes too

once you can consistently reach 9+ its basically all the same cummulative i think

[fickle bobcat]

we're done
where does eye beat shadow? besides the obvious like tob/colo (i heard pnm?)

[main briar]

Colo?

[proven owl]

think its good for kraken too

maybe some other random slayer bosses like rex but i havent checked

[maiden cedar]

I'd use it at rex probably too that guys got no magic right

[granite turret]

Tick fixing at zulrah

[night zephyr]

Isn't it just straight up better at zulrah. I thought you go for shadow last hits/tick fixes

[arctic niche]

in dayoh vid i think he was camping it for green zulrah over shadow

idk if that was to maxmize ticks or cuz its better though

[night zephyr]

Prob depends on phase

What about on magma?

[keen rapids]

yea idk about that one seems like it would be especially worse than shadow there since 2 shot frem instead of 1 shot

unless gear diff means you can't 1 shot shadow?

[granite turret]

You shouldn't need that much these days surely

[main briar]

Gotta be real scuffed for that

Gloves+occult does it

[arctic niche]

dont know tbh ima try to check out that vid again when i do zulrah again

[unborn girder]

is 985 sunfire splinters alot?

worth collecting over diving deeper

havent done any colo

[civic surge]

Delve deeper.

If you don't have a quiver to sustain charges on, it's especially not worth it.

[upper needle]

synq looked at the clip and said that it only works on wave 8+ for whatever reason

[granite turret]

[fickle bobcat]

til

[maiden cedar]

I see so it's just some random arbitrary reason

[upper needle]

Classic spaghetti code perhaps

[sharp matrix]

Has anyone experienced the following in a deep delve: during melee punish, it's sometimes impossible to kill the big mage grub - it doesn't even take damage

[unborn girder]

sure you're hitting it twice?

Ive noticed that during 6+ if you clikc on grubs immediately after they spawn, you click right through them. You have to wait like a tic or two. Kind of bugged. Jagex should prob fix

well maybe its 8+ not 6+ and its the big grubs like you said, but definitely noticed click right through them alot if you click to soon

[sharp matrix]

Yes, definitely hitting it twice, I even looked carefully to see if I do damage, but I get no hitsplats or XP drops, despite my character maging. Usually the big grub has made a little progress towards the boss by the time I attack it

[unborn girder]

The only way I could see what you're saying be possible is if you were infact maging it, but it wasn't the mage grub

[autumn fulcrum]

post clip

[unborn girder]

I keep running out of supplies at 13

pretty much have to flick to go beyond that with scobo?

[tulip spade]

wym flick

just bring another restore

[signal cipher]

no

with 0 flicking my supplies are good enough for probably wave 17 or 18

8b9r

[burnt lichen]

you still use it to tick fix for magma phase

for green phase, shadow becomes the tick fix weapon

it also has 2t faster projectile time

[north axle]

if i didnt fuck up i think i could get to w20 on 6r tbh

[timber sandal]

worth it to make antivenom + for doom or just stick with normal antivenom?

[main briar]

Normal antivenoms do not last long at all

[timber sandal]

yeah but i feel like as someone who is primarily doing 1-8 resets, i dont need long lasting antivenom idk

wait does being anti venomed up mean no damage taken on an acid pool? or i still take damage right

[main briar]

Doing 1-8 resets is very bad

[timber sandal]

no its not lol but im very bad. i will do 9 if i can, never gotten to 10 before

what tech should i be using for car in 8+? sidewalk? as someone with no blowpipe just scobow rune arrows deadeye

ive been using the gnomemonkey tech and resetting if both lanes have too much venom

[patent stirrup]

Are these both wave 8? I know that second tile doesn’t work for wave 6-7

[weary garden]

1-8 is very bad. Never ever ever ever claim if you have supplies left unless there’s a unique

[timber sandal]

dude 1-8 is not "very bad". its not as good as going deep but u understand i am still learning lol

[north axle]

if you can do 8 you can do well past 8

[timber sandal]

i just dont know the tech

to get past 8

[north axle]

the difference is basically running out of supplies in 15-20ish

[timber sandal]

consistently

[north axle]

vs doing widega 100 deeps

you don't need anything fancy to go 15 or so

just do the same thing you do on 8

but 7 more times

[timber sandal]

heres the thing, i do the gnomonkey car tech right

[north axle]

don't do that

[timber sandal]

what should i do instead

[north axle]

i like widega's setup

[timber sandal]

sidewalk?

[north axle]

north then west then south

but really it doesn't matter tbh

[main briar]

If you can do 8 you can do 9

9 is easier

[timber sandal]

you'd think so but the acid fucks me cause like i said i havent learned any other car tech than gnomonkey

[weary garden]

Sorry, I should clarify. only doing 1-8 is very bad. You’re not even getting the best drop rates by claiming at 8.

[signal cipher]

it’s simple

you just go into the hole

and then you die

repeat

[weary garden]

I do the same. I get to about 13-14

[signal cipher]

same

[timber sandal]

thats good to know. so there are two lanes right. what do u do if theres acid on both lanes?

just try to avoid?

[signal cipher]

i spooned all the items so i’m prob not going back but 13/14 felt like a wall for me

room was rarely playable past that

[weary garden]

For the most part, you can just swap to the other set of lanes, forget the direction.

If there’s one or two acid splats, I just ignore it and take the 6 damage

There’s been a few times that I’ve claimed on 11/12 cause the acid felt too much, but it doesn’t happen every time

[timber sandal]

sorry i dont follow on what u mean by "forget the direction". in his tilemarkers there are two ways u can set up the tech.

[weary garden]

Also, the more you get comfortable with orb phase, the easier it gets to look for orb routes to clean some acid

[timber sandal]

the issue is when doom spits acid on both of these sides

but i guess i can just try and play around it or tank a bit of acid damage

i jsut get uber scared when acid is there haha

[weary garden]

Yeah, so I usually go east, and if east gets fucked I go north

[weary garden]

I think that’s the problem. Gotta get comfortable taking a few splats of damage from the acid

[timber sandal]

very true

thanks for the advice

ill keep pushing it

using this tech cause im comfortable with it

just wish i had a blowpipe

will start using darrow switch on 8+ now tho hopefulyl helps my dps

[weary garden]

I also switched to d arrow and d darts and it helped a ton

I usually send until I die or until I run completely out of supplies. I recommend doing the same even on waves that the acid is completely fucked. It’ll help you learn new ways to try and work around it

[timber sandal]

thats a good idea

ill start doing that

i was getting scared when there was acid on both north/east and then just claimed if that was the case

but ill stop doing that

[main briar]

There's so many tiles that work

[north axle]

it's totally fine to take 60-80 damage per kc, brew back up after each wave

claim on 15 or so

[weary garden]

I’m mostly brewless up until 7/8 then I go through a brew or less through each wave up until 15 (depending on mistakes)

[night zephyr]

throw in bp specs to save on brew sips and thats pretty much where I am at

And even doing that. It's only like 700 brews for completion on average. Which is very minimal

And likely to be less when accounting for early planks with brews left that are bound to happen.

[north axle]

I'm starting to not need the brews tbh

wave 10 on 3r and bp specs

[night zephyr]

Yeah it just depends on the run for me. My 16 pb i still had 4 brews but claimed cause acid was on all of my luring tiles

[unborn girder]

how many super restores you bringing?

[unborn girder]

ohh i see, you're bringing 3 more restores than i do

makes sense.. I always have left over brew

[unborn girder]

with scobo only and no pray flicking??

[north axle]

tbow

might go to 7b 7r

[unborn girder]

was about to say

where the hell am i lossing all this prayer lol

[tulip spade]

6r should be able to go further than 13

specially if you lazy flick early levels and turn off prot during grub phase

[unborn girder]

That’s what I meant by flicking (lazy flicking)

I turn overhead off during grubs

And in between car phase

[north axle]

turn rigour off during grubs

[tulip spade]

yeah that's probably a good idea too

[signal cipher]

i wasn’t doing that enough

[unborn girder]

Deadeye* for me, but can try that

[timber sandal]

Anyone in here crazy dry?

[dense ginkgo]

Yes, you

[timber sandal]

I'm not dry yet thank god

[dense ginkgo]

You'll see

[weary garden]

I’m not dry on items in general but I think I’m dry on cloth

[tacit rock]

doom completed

[unborn girder]

^ that guy was dry LOL

[unborn girder]

this was the trick. Just got 14. Had supplies for 15-16 but i was venomed with no pot left 😦

[north axle]

https://kick.com/jackooh

222 rec (zcb)

[granite turret]

[burnt lichen]

lmfao

[civic surge]

I'm pretty dry so far.

I think I'm expecting about 8 drops by this point and I've gotten 3.

It's still fun though. I have a lot of improvement left to make. It's still only skill preventing me from going further.

[timber sandal]

Glad you're still having a good time at that kc, gives me hope

[civic surge]

Yeah for sure. I even just now got Delve 16 PB so that's cool.

I mean I wish I would get an item at all to confirm that he actually still drops something

but the fight is fun too. lol

[night zephyr]

I think that looks closer to 6. But still rough either way

[ivory ravine]

anybody got a clip or link for rock block tech with blowpipe tiles?

[granite turret]

#1393419290589265960 message

[ivory ravine]

ty beast

[unborn girder]

is it really worth bringing eye? passive charge is kinda nice but its not that much. I've maybe charged a few mil worth of death runes over 100 deep delves. The 65k death add up since i go to death every time.

[night zephyr]

It just comes down to do you value iron gp more than iron coffer

[unborn girder]

ehh idk, im down to 4.5m in coffer

might have some dupes to throw in but havent really looked

[north axle]

it's more if you want the tears for the other uniques tbh

[civic surge]

I've charged 28k so far from bringing it with me 😄

But yeah it's a little short range and requires some extra awareness. I'm used to it now though

[unborn girder]

geez, im up to 9k

[proven owl]

if ur coffer is that fucked then no dont bring it imo

my coffer is at 100m+ and alt has max gear so its obviously worth to bring staff

but everyone has to judge for themselves

but you can also start bringing it when you make it deeper

if ur making it to w10 or so then I think you profit even with dying

even if you value coffer gp 1:1 with regular iron gp

seems to be w8 to go even roughly unless i fucked up math somewhere

[paper patrol]

What do you guys think is a good wave to consistent get to with scobo, rune arrows, deadeye + 92 ranged? Got bp aswell

[unborn girder]

I've done 14 with that exact setup, but 99 ranged

Its entirely skill depedent though tbh. Players with more skill and my same setup prob can reach like 15-16

while players who are struggling might not be able to beat 8 even with t bow, rigour, and dragon ammo

[paper patrol]

Yeah true - i only did doom for like 2 hours total and got wave 7 completion as pb Atm

Considering to dumb blowpipe while learning and maybe chally aswell

Should prob get myself an anguish soon aswell

[unborn girder]

Id learn blowpipe sidewalk ASAP personally

and setting up the two boulders on 6+ consistently

[paper patrol]

Problem is i only have 600 rune darts left, and I think addy is dogshit?

[unborn girder]

cant make amethyst im guessing?

[paper patrol]

2 boulders? 1 for rockblock and 2nd where?

[paper patrol]

Nope

[unborn girder]

i wish i had taken photos. The next spot is nearby to rockblock and its the 2nd boulder you hide behind that allows you to continually blowpipe between the first and second smashes

[paper patrol]

Oh damn

[unborn girder]

darn, my unique collection log photos don't show it either, slightly out of the picture

[paper patrol]

I think im dumping bp honestly - with Addy dart its aids i think

[unborn girder]

im not sure how to even calc it. Dont think the wiki dps has the car phase doom unless I missed it

[paper patrol]

Fair

[unborn girder]

ill show you my 2nd boulder spot once i get to 6

the 6/7 tile is where I try to put 2nd boulder @paper patrol

Like this

would work just fine for scobo only too

[paper patrol]

Uhh okay Nice

[civic surge]

I can get to 16 max now with that setup. I could probably get to 20 if I made actually no mistakes. I would saymy average right now is like 14. It's always mistakes that get me. Not the gears fault

Things got easier for me when I started sidewalking mokha differenr directions so he is always spitting acid at the wall, never the center of the room

Room is much more relatively easy to keep clearish that way

[unborn girder]

Are there any videos or guides you can share for this? I’ve just had acid go absolutely everywhere and have to pull off crazy maneuvers to avoid damage from stepping on it during orb phase when dodging boulders and moving with shield

What is the expected number of deep delves for a unique? I guess it gets fuzzy to estimate because you’d have to assume an average depth. Kind of confusing to think about because you have to factor in the cumulative chances on the waves leading up to deep delve and you’ll be repeating those more often per deep delve KC if you’re not going as far per attempt.

[keen rapids]

could just calc average kc for a unique assuming you get to wave x every time

[unborn girder]

True but I don’t 🤣

Not yet at least

[keen rapids]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1393419290589265960/1402625045171273738/image.png?ex=68b58d5e&is=68b43bde&hm=787c4336a25433aedbf14e3bcb4092c9eabbc42c499ef34d2dba53c7644c7c6d&

[unborn girder]

Sometimes I even troll 9-10 so my trips carry from that to like 13

[keen rapids]

would basically just be the number in the "1 in __" column i guess

[unborn girder]

Ayaya stick!

[keen rapids]

[[ayaya]]

[marsh hound]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Eye_of_ayak

[keen rapids]

[[power treads]]

[marsh hound]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Avernic_treads

[unborn girder]

So 1-11 , 80 times

Yikes

[keen rapids]

[[observer ward]]

[granite turret]

There's literally a wiki calc you can plug all your delve numbers into

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Calculator:Doom_of_Mokhaiotl_Completions_Calculator

[unborn girder]

Kind of separate from what I’m asking but still nice tool

Honestly I think it’s jsut what reck said, assume an average depth level and look at the cumulative

[granite turret]

I mean if you just want to make the assumption that you always get 14 or whatever you can plug that in to the basic calc too

[unborn girder]

Right

I basically wanted a good idea of how many deep delves, per high scores kc, I can expect before a unique based on how I’ve been playing

[granite turret]

Yeah that's a rough one

[unborn girder]

1/69 for cloth for delve 12. Which is 5 deep delves per kc. So 345 kc on highscores? As an example. Basically have to assume an average depth though ya

Or 115 kc for any of the 3 for that example

[granite turret]

I feel like it's just not an accurate metric to go by regardless since you start rolling for uniques halfway to 8

[unborn girder]

Well the 1/69 IS the cumulative up through 1 through 12

so it’s saying you need to do 1-12 69 times for drop rate

Which would be 345 deep delves according to highscores

[granite turret]

I got spooned so obviously I don't have a good example, but 3/4 of my uniques were pre 8 and I got eye on 11

[unborn girder]

Yeah it’s taking into account the earlier waves is my point

And I’m also spooned on early waves 😅

My 2 boots and eye were wave 7

And pet was wave 6

Zero luck on deep delves lol

[granite turret]

Sure, I just was trying to say that only deeps isn't gonna be really great unless you've been insanely consistent since day 1

[unborn girder]

Absolutely true. I’m just using at as a metric for “from this point forward”

[granite turret]

I don't think I passed 8 until like 400

Fair enough

[unborn girder]

I had like 60 wave 7 completions before first 8 clear

I was that bad

I didn’t even try for a couple days though tbf. Just cashed out at 7 until I felt comfy with it

[granite turret]

I feel like that's pretty universal, once I finally got w8 down I was like wow 1-7 actually made learning worse

[unborn girder]

Yeah nothing in 1-7 helps with the 8 flick pattern

It’s like a different game

[granite turret]

[unborn girder]

What was your final deep delves when you greenlogged?

[granite turret]

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30 more deep for pet lol

So like 1k waves total, I'm actually looking forward to CAs

[unborn girder]

Damn. I’m 130 deeps and like 1400 total right now 😅

Started spooned as hell and now I’m just an average Andy

[granite turret]

I definitely want to push pb into the 20s, boss is fun

[unborn girder]

Without t bow?

That’ll be a hair puller

[granite turret]

Lux posted a vid of scobo 20, and there was definitely still room

[unborn girder]

Unless Malik shares his wall acid tech

If wall acid is a thing, I think 15+ would be easy

[granite turret]

I think it's just skill issue all the way through

[unborn girder]

For sure. But it’s insanely different level of skill to dodge acid and flick boulders with orb vs no acid present in middle unless I misunderstood what he meant

[north axle]

Hoping to get a delve 20 before Wednesday so the CA autocompletes

[unborn girder]

I’ve had to bail couple times on 13 from running out of anti-venom+ 😦

Don’t have the extended unfortunately

[unborn girder]

20s gonna be one of the tasks?

[north axle]

Made it up

But I assume there will be some arbitrary number past 8

[unborn girder]

Hmm I could see 15

[granite turret]

Iirc nox said they didn't want to make it too hard

But who knows

[unborn girder]

20 seems to high

[granite turret]

That was my feeling as well, and GM tasks have had a lot of leeway recently

[north axle]

20 is doable in any gear without flicking

[granite turret]

Yep

[unborn girder]

Hey who knows, we’ll see what they do. Doubt it will be 20 though.

When did they say they’ll release ?

[granite turret]

It's this week I think

[unborn girder]

Pog

One of um has to be avoid all damage wave 8+ yeah?

[north axle]

I imagine it;d be perfect 1-8

which isn't that hard

[unborn girder]

For grandmaster yeah

[north axle]

perfect 1-8, speed, delve X deep, and maybe one or two meme gms

complete wave 8 without using a demonbane weapon or spell

[night zephyr]

melee only kill

[granite turret]

Only for interrupting right cuz you still need one

[night zephyr]

(on boss ofc)

[north axle]

you don't need one

[granite turret]

Oh nice

[north axle]

you just take 80-99 damage

[granite turret]

Ok fair enough LOL

[north axle]

Maybe you can pneck

[night zephyr]

wym 80-99 damage?

[granite turret]

You can't cancel the charge

With no demonbane

[night zephyr]

ohhh

that'd be kinda dumb

[granite turret]

I actually kinda like it, it would be dumb but it's hilarious

[unborn girder]

The CA all hcim fear

XD

[granite turret]

Just angler bro

[night zephyr]

id rather something like that than another arbitrary hp less than X CA

[dense ginkgo]

I wonder whether speed times will be for clearing a floor 8+ in x:yz or all of 1-8 in x:yz

Maybe an Elite time for clearing floor 1 super fast lol

[keen rapids]

i think 1-8

[verbal edge]

what do we think the time will be

probably something super free like 10m

[civic surge]

I don't unfortunately. It's just something I started doing based off regular sidewalk. Pretty much I always set up the same and always do the same first rock block and hide behind the second rock.

Then for the last move of the car, based on the direction the acid is going, I make him move in the direction that will make the acid shoot towards a wall and not towards the center of the room.

Otherwise it's exactly the same gameplay either way. Just one of two mirrored final moves. Takes the center of the room MUCH longer to fill up and so easier to control with orbs over time.

If I could stop sucking at timing "orb on 3rd attack" I'd be golden :p

[unborn girder]

Dang I wish I could see what you mean

[civic surge]

I will see if I can record something real quick

[unborn girder]

Aye great

[civic surge]

Since I spend my life delving with no reward now anyway 😄

I'm starting a fresh run. Hopefully within like 30 minutes I'll post something.

[unborn girder]

Appreciate it

[north axle]

8 maybe

10 is a money kc

[verbal edge]

its tough to balance speeds that are this long

no way to make it tough for people in max, while still being possible for those without it

[main briar]

Think it's the opposite

the short speeds are the mostdogshit ones

like whisp speed is the most cancer thing with worse gear

[north axle]

no matter what time they set people without zcb/tbow/scythe will whine about it

but given how long it is it should be possible to set a reasonable time

the inv will probably be something like void / masori / big melee, with preswitching into melee to 1t

I assume

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofgrmV8Ep70 this guy got a 5:54 on phone how hard could 8 or so for GM be

[granite turret]

thats 10s off global best

damn

[main briar]

at that time it was wr right?

[granite turret]

looks like it

1 month later we've had 10s improvement

bro cooked

[verbal edge]

it might be harder to get pb's now than a month ago

cant delay to regen spec anymore

[north axle]

yeah you won't be able to zcb every wave now

[granite turret]

forgot they changed that

waiting charge instead of doing grubs is interesting

[civic surge]

There's an example with terrible rock positioning luck AND terrible orb rng. 😄

And terrible play too, probably.

It took me awhile to get this video because the first run I did, he literally never spit acid on that side. And the second run I did, I immediately got the pet and left.

[tulip spade]

So is it just a 50/50 for this to work? Doesn't seem doable if acid is going south or west

[civic surge]

You go the other way if the acid is going towards the other wall.

You see which direction it's going in the first phase.

[granite turret]

south shouldn't really matter much since its not going into your standard orb lanes

[tulip spade]

Hmm

I guess if you can't aim it directly into the wall you can aim it into the corner at least

[granite turret]

I like this for switching east/west, I don't think north is really worth it since you won't have dropped a rock there and would potentially have to full send to the other side of the room

[civic surge]

Yes, that's how it works out. For me, one of the things that starts happening around wave 15 or 16 before I started doing this, was that Mokha would be near 100% covered in acid along the wall, and melees spawning after a bad dps phase can screw me over if that happens

A lot of forced acid walks caused me to rethink things a bit and start trying out mirroring it to the other side depending on acid direction

instead of just auto sending the same direction every time

[tulip spade]

Seems like good tech

So with your tiles, north or east acid = make it double back after 2nd charge
And south or west = do normal path

Is that right

[granite turret]

those look like standard sidewalk tiles, you're just making the decision to push east/west acid to the correct wall

[civic surge]

Yes that's right. That's exactly how I do it

And yes these are standard sidewalk tiles. I just made a smaller version of it because I am annoyed by all the clutter. lol

[tulip spade]

Neat. I'll have to try to work that in

I need to redo my tiles for pipe-friendly sidewalk and to kill the clutter

[unborn girder]

oooh watching now

[unborn girder]

gz on pet lol

[weary garden]

When do I get to complain lmao

[unborn girder]

Im not sure what you mean here

[civic surge]

After I get my treads. 😄

[civic surge]

If acid is going north or east, you make Mokha slide north (doubling back on himself, sticking to the east wall).

If acid is going south or west, you make Mokha slide west (sticking to the south wall).

[unborn girder]

wow i didnt even realize that he spit acid in same direction during car phase as before shield phase

[civic surge]

Yeah acid goes the same direction the whole wave.

[weary garden]

man, i hope you're at least still having fun with the boss, thats awful

[civic surge]

I am, actually. I'm still learning and improving. And sharing stuff I learned now. lol

[unborn girder]

This makes a lot of sense

[civic surge]

It would be cool to make it to wave 20. It's only skill failure that's stopping me.

[unborn girder]

I dont know why no one has made that correlation before now

or not share it rather

[civic surge]

They probably didn't go as dry as me 😄

[weary garden]

thats good then. im getting to the point where im getting miserable lol

[unborn girder]

please dont hate me

[civic surge]

Everyone's got the one that won't drop. lol

[unborn girder]

Ill trade you a pair for the cloth

[civic surge]

Sometimes I wish.

[unborn girder]

i see you got a dupe 😄

[weary garden]

twins lmao

[unborn girder]

definitely gonna start throwing acid like you do

nice lol

Which tiles are okay to stand on to lure him north?

Like i see you stood here for it

I imagine anything north of where youre standing would work

but some tiles south would send him torwards middle?

[unborn girder]

Malik Video Acid Wall

at least as far as the rock tile by the looks of it

Thanks for the vid. You're a champ

[civic surge]

Yeah I normally try to actually be lined up with him ideally. Anything that's actually north and aligned with him will work.

Unless you're like point blank in his face of course

[unborn girder]

and this never gets acid on the rock block tile?

it gets close in your vid, like on either side of it acutally

[dense ginkgo]

wait WHAT

TIL

[unborn girder]

I wouldnt say im miserable yet but defintely a bit disgruntled that I've gotten 0 unqiues on 8+ delves

[tulip spade]

This is a good point, is rock block tile really safe here

[civic surge]

You could and probably should drag mokha further down than in that clip

[weary garden]

lmfao same, ive gotten none of my drops from 8+

[unborn girder]

if i get cloth on 7 or lower, then all the effort and learning for 8+ will ahve been worthless LOL

and a waste of time

[weary garden]

same lmfao

[tulip spade]

Just cope that drops are predestined and doing all the 8+ got you to your predestined rate faster

[main briar]

This is nonsensical

Every KC that didn't get the drop was a waste of time because you didn't get the drop

[unborn girder]

no specifically every wave 8+ will have been a waste of time if i end up gettting all unqiues on waves 7 or lower

[main briar]

Still nonsense

[unborn girder]

na, looking back If i erased all the 8+ clears, it wont have made a differnece

in this hypothetical scenario

[main briar]

If you get the drop on Thursday, all the times you potted on a Wednesday are a waste of time too

Equally nonsense

[unborn girder]

those are equal chance KC for a normal boss

8+ are higher drop chance and differnet mechanics

[main briar]

Yes, that's why doing 8 is worthwhile

[unborn girder]

oh its absolutely worth while

[main briar]

Regardless of where the roulette wheel eventually lands

If it was worthwhile then it wasn't a waste

[unborn girder]

im just saying it would have been worthless for me if I dont get any 8+ when i greenlog

[main briar]

Ok best of luck goodnight

[unborn girder]

Just forget it, you're not following lol

[verbal edge]

Pretty sure you’re the one not following

[main briar]

I want to be mad, so I will invent a reason to be

[verbal edge]

The logic you’re using to say 8+ is useless could also be applied to everything else

So it’s dumb

I got my tbow on 700 KC therefore the first 699 KC were useless etc etc

[unborn girder]

were they more difficult and higher drop rate kc?

and cummulative?

[verbal edge]

If you accumulate them then yes they are cumulative

[unborn girder]

cumulative in the sense that the rate is changed depedent on the preceding kills

and btw I'm not mad 😂

Im enjoying 8+ a lot

first 7 waves are boring

and chasing deepest delve is fun

[verbal edge]

I don’t see how that is relevant to anything but ok

Whether rates change or not, you’re always going to not get the drop on some kills, and will get the drop on other kills

[unborn girder]

that is indeed how it works

[verbal edge]

Doesn’t mean the kills where you don’t get the drop were useless

[unborn girder]

hence why I said in hindsight regarding that hypothetical XD

[tulip spade]

All of my 350 toas that didn't drop an item were usless because im doing 400s now

[unborn girder]

well it would kind of be the opposite if trying to compare to my analogy. It would be if you did exclusively 400s for a long time, got 0 drops, dropped down to 350 and got all your drops.

except even then, it will have been worth it since you collect loot regardless

and again this is only if looking back in hindsight

XD

If looking into future, its always worth to do the better probability thing for sure

[verbal edge]

Even in hindsight the 8+ runs were not useless though

Doing those runs led to the runs where you got the drop

[unborn girder]

yes yes i agree, if you look at it from the predestined perspective

[verbal edge]

If you went back in time and decided not to do those runs then who knows when you would have gotten your drops

[unborn girder]

That's true but at least in theory it would have saved me time avoiding those uniqueless KC

[verbal edge]

In theory it would not have saved you time

[unborn girder]

so it would be whatever other predestined time + the wasted time, no?

but in the end... you guys are right. I was just being silly about the 8+ uniqueness situation. Even if I just changed 1 kc differently, then would change all the 0s and 1s in the time space continum and my future would be totally unpredictable and different woudn't it? lol

[granite turret]

Bro pls go back to clicking the hole

[weary garden]

got this pet on level 9. not claiming this shit out of spite

rip 2nd pet

such a weird choice to make it so common

[unborn girder]

I still cant believe I got mine on wave 6... but yeah its most common unique on 9+. 1/250

[weary garden]

pet #3 lmfao i hate this game

[unborn girder]

same thing happened to my brother lol

[unborn girder]

Just hit my first 15! even more of twins now lol

[weary garden]

Hell yeah, that’s huge!

[civic surge]

This is what acid looks like after wave 15 with the method I posted, just for an example.

[dense ginkgo]

Woah is that a lobster

[civic surge]

I see it. 😮

[dense ginkgo]

Impressive

[civic surge]

But yeah the acid isn't even close to being a limiting factor like this.

At least not at the waves that people commonly talk about it.

[tulip flare]

Should I be using drag arrows with scobo here? I have roughly 9k

[autumn fulcrum]

Imo no

Once you get consistently to waves 15+ or - a couple consistently it doesn’t really save much time diving deeper and I don’t believe dragon arrows are necessary in order to do that with scobo.

That being said if you’re 100% sure you’ll never use dragon arrows for cas or going for speed runs who really cares where you use them :p

[north axle]

down 2k darrow since delve launch ;w;

it really does make skip more consistent though

lets me delve deeper

shaves like30s off killtime

[keen rapids]

Oh what the that's so smart

[granite turret]

I go back and forth on using em, but yeah I think it's one of the better places for them

[paper patrol]

dont they just go down quick cause of grubs?

[north axle]

raw dps undersells the threshold

[paper patrol]

i got 3.2k dragon arrows, that will prob not last long

[north axle]

i quiver swap on 8

[paper patrol]

oh yeah i can bring both arrows in my quiver right?

genius

[autumn fulcrum]

Great idea, that’s probably best of both worlds for scoboers without zcb

[paper patrol]

yeah 100%

[civic surge]

I think skipping orb phase is detrimental to deep delves.

[unborn girder]

Again, you’re a legend for sharing this with us

[north axle]

7b 7r

running on fumes

though tbh it's still workable

[unborn girder]

what does your inventory look like going in?

[unborn girder]

curious how much time t bow saves. Would be interested in seeing your delve stats if you ever care to share

[north axle]

lil outdated

but imo its kinda meaningless

it didnt really click until last week and since then my average delve is like 14 or so

i am 256 deep/ 1576 overall now but it was like 50/1k

my average is ~ 1:20 8+

[unborn girder]

I meant ur times

like on the board in the lobby

[north axle]

I am not really going for times

[unborn girder]

Wow thats significantly faster than my times

[north axle]

this is pb

over like 300 attempts

and all of these pbs were with scythe and a melee switch

which i don't even bring on money runs

[unborn girder]

looks like you avereage like 1- 1:30 on 8+s

[civic surge]

Here's mine with scobo and no lightbearer.

Seems like a pretty big boost to me.

[tulip flare]

Where on the wiki is this? Was trying to find something similar to this yesterday

[north axle]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Calculator:Doom_of_Mokhaiotl_Completions_Calculator

[tulip flare]

Beast, ty

[unborn girder]

do you have rigour?

[night zephyr]

Also gotta remember comparing tbow and scobo pb times are misleading. Yeah tbow is obviously better overall, but it's less accurate. So scobo is more consistent while all the tbow pb times will be when it doesnt miss/hits big.

Whereas average times aren't going to be as huge of a difference but still a big increase of course.

[verbal edge]

yeah board tells you literally nothing about tbow vs scobo

[night zephyr]

Did you learn on a different account?

[civic surge]

No. This is my only account.

[night zephyr]

Dang respect on the wave ratio.

[unborn girder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkEctICYR2w

[unborn girder]

ya t bow + rigour seems like big difference just based off the average times wizzy showed in that little vid clip above

[unborn girder]

Do you normally finish wave 9+ before 2nd shield phase procs after orb phase?

Didnt realzie the 222 WR was limited by logout timer LOL

Thats crazy

[north axle]

yes

[timber sandal]

just got my first wave ten clear lfg

and then i zone out and die on wave five lol

[unborn girder]

Nice! only up from there

[obsidian turret]

Gz, this is the most tilting part abt delve for me you dont really need 100% brain power for 1-7 but if you afk mentally at the wrong time you just die lol

if im doing wave 10-11 resets is using scy to speed it up fine?

or does that create too much acid even for wave 11 resets

current setup ive been using, prepot reg super str to speed up wave 1-5 and then using nhally from 6+

[north axle]

better to push deeper imo

you gotta push yourself, and you will push your delves

[obsidian turret]

i guess tht wasnt best way to word it

ive only chosen to claim once

my pb is 11, shld i use scy to get back there faster or should i stick to chally 1-5, nhally 6+

[spare sinew]

I scythe the whole way, PB is 12 and it’s never been the acid’s fault

[obsidian turret]

You bring 1 way scy or like gloves+ranc?

[obsidian turret]

ok im spoonin

the scythe is good luck

[north axle]

it's holding you back a ton from going deeper

[obsidian turret]

using it to get to wave 11 faster isnt the play then? shld i just nhally and take the slower early waves?

i dont have zcb to speed up waves

[north axle]

well

[obsidian turret]

and i still die to stupid mistakes on wave 8-9 like 40% of the time

[north axle]

you should never scythe or even chally past wave 6 imo

not worth the mess you make

so the actual timesave of the first 5 waves of a 30 minute run is minimal and not worth the invent space

[obsidian turret]

my issue with that is supplies have never been the issue really

1 run out of like 40 have supplies been the reason i tele

its always just been death or tele out after amistake that 100% kills

[timber sandal]

then what do u do to punish

[obsidian turret]

probably nhally

[spare sinew]

Just 1 way

[north axle]

what you should ask is how many of these "mistakes" are actually being forced by all the acid you're throwing

and would be avoided if you stopped scything

[obsidian turret]

Alright so would u suggest bring chally and using til 6?

[north axle]

no?

i would suggest the exact inventory I use, that's why I use it

probably -r +b

[obsidian turret]

kk ty ill give that a shot

[north axle]

if you can clear shitshow 11 with 10000 acid

you can clear 20

so you might as well pack yak

[obsidian turret]

just got pb 12

i think ur onto something

back to just nhally

lol

2nd time ive ever had to leave bc of supplies vs just planking

Wiz r u double bp speccing car phase or saving the spec for trees b4 orb special?

[north axle]

car for dps

[unborn girder]

And what do you recommend if you don’t have a nhally?

[north axle]

chally ig

[proven owl]

im not rly convinced scythe actually adds all that much acid

the crazy dmg lets you skip a tbow hit or 2 compared to nally so while it does add acid for sure I'm still not entirely sold on halberd>scythe

I almost want to go back and do more testing but ended up green logging when I was gonna go back to my scythe setup to try after I was good

[north axle]

greenlog on this boss is pretty quick

[main briar]

Getting the megadeep procs just feels good if you can scy-bow

[north axle]

not for me but statistically

I'd have to adjust my tiles for 1 tile range tbh

[worldly jungle]

You’re not thralling after 6 right? Scythe and thralls both speedup 1-5 at the cost of 1 inv space.

Assuming you’re not using aether runes like in your screenshot

[tawny kelp]

kirby tiles hurt my head a little

[night zephyr]

Kirby seems a bit late for delve vid. We already have a banger from pecan covering almost everything. And a couple other vids/vods for showing car dragging methods.

I guess him going over plugins is helpful though

[north axle]

I thrall 8+ after shield

In slow kills it acids but generally acids sw where it isn't in the way

[worldly jungle]

Ooh I'll try that ty

[unborn girder]

Not sure that I've seen it mentioned here but there is a nice pluggin on the hub called "delve calculator". Once you open Delve-stats on the scoreboard it automatically syncs and continues to as you delve 😎

[tawny kelp]

any idea why kirby's tiles have the NW rock block a tile south compared to widega? did they patch out double full rock block or somethign

oh, his video says it puts you on a safe hally destination if you punish starting on that tile. sorry I skipped thru it

[civic surge]

Oh no, you've made it so now I can constantly track my unhappiness. 😄

Any drop: 9. Actual drops: 4

[main briar]

what in the world are those bars actually showing?

[twilit matrix]

hes 24% of the way to the next number

[night zephyr]

I feel like just showing 2.47, 2.33 is so much more intuitive.

[main briar]

yes

[night zephyr]

Also showing pet in the total unique is kinda useless when you have 3 uniques from the same table that you actually want to see your total expected rolls for

And a pet that's more common than them.

[twilit matrix]

guess the plugin guy wanted colorful progress bars

[night zephyr]

Funny thing is he could have still had them and just wrote 2.47 and it would have been way more clear what they represent

[twilit matrix]

it shouldve been 247%

and then extremely green

[unborn girder]

Any unique kinda useless anyways. Just look at the item you want

[main briar]

draw the target around the missing item etc

[unborn girder]

If you want to know how many of it you should’ve gotten based on your delves, pretty much ya

I don’t like that they included pet in the “any unique” category

[main briar]

surely most people want all items right?

[unborn girder]

I would’ve left without the pet if I had the others and came back later

[civic surge]

I wouldn't have stayed for the pet

I'm just waiting on treads. Pet is a bonus. Actually it's almost an insult

[main briar]

I mean the 3 main items

[unborn girder]

I think there is a pluggin that doesnt highlight the hole orange if you get a dupe pet

[main briar]

they fixed that now in game i think

[dense ginkgo]

Well if you want all items then your "any item" percent vs 5.5 is how dry you are for greenlog minus pet

[main briar]

uh your any item percent minus your pet number

[main briar]

ie this is like 7, so slightly over rate

[dense ginkgo]

Oh it includes pet feel like that should be a toggle

[main briar]

that whole UI is godawful

[unborn girder]

That was my point 🙂

[unborn girder]

Man I hope you get some luck soon. You’ve done your time

[unborn girder]

The only number I really care about is the item I’m missing. I’m at 138% of drop rate for it so I can’t really complain yet. Do agree that they could have formatted the UI much better. Maybe they will make some changes. Toggle “any” to exclude pet would be nice.

[tulip spade]

rng brain rot plugins 👎

if i get curious i'll check the board and plug my numbers into wiki

but better to not have a plugin making me think about it constantly

[unborn girder]

Yeah, it’s just a quick and more convenient way without having to manually enter all your numbers no need to pull up the plugin and stare at it if it bothers you

It’s just a calculator lol

[tulip spade]

ye i think it's better to have to go through that inconvenience

[unborn girder]

That’s crazy but to each his own

[tulip spade]

that way it's less tempting to engage in useless rate tracking

[unborn girder]

We mentally track our rates with bosses with simple probabilities automatically all the time anyways so I think that’s crazy thinking but whatever keeps you sane I guess

[tulip spade]

yeah and it's been kind of nice for me that delve mechanics don't allow me to do that haha

[unborn girder]

Whatever keeps you motivated to continue diving

Sometimes I personally bat a blind eye to my KC for a given boss for the whole day and look forward to checking at the end of the day how many kc I did. Not the exact same thing, but I can sympathize.

Excitement of the unknown? I suppose.

[spice nest]

Actual drop: 6

[tulip spade]

i do like watching the kc number go up, feels like making progress even if it technically isn't
i just don't like wasting too many brain cycles on "oh no i'm 1.734782892x dry for this unique"

the even nicer thing about delve is that i can focus on improving my delves and feel progress that way

the skill cap goes crazy

[civic surge]

A second pet just now. :p

I haven't gotten an actual item drop in over 500 deep delves.

That's more than 3x rate for "an item at all"

Just on deep delves alone, not counting culmulative from bad waves

[unborn girder]

That's where I'm at. Constantly trying to break my deep delve record keeps me motivated.

[unborn girder]

I'll check it when I'm curious where I stand versus wasting time entering in 9 numbers manually

[unborn girder]

Wow. They made this pet really common tbh

gz either way 😄

Did the hole turn orange when you got the pet the 2nd time?

[autumn fulcrum]

Hole does not turn orange for dupe pet anymore

[unborn girder]

ohh nice

[civic surge]

Did not.

I just opened the hole and thought "Oh great, insult to injury!"

[unborn girder]

did it warn you before continuing though?

[civic surge]

It was my last wave either way

Nothing left.

[unborn girder]

ahh

[civic surge]

I'll continue if I'm full life and no supplies. But once I'm no longer full life with no supplies, I'm out.

[unborn girder]

How often do you think you're collecting?

[civic surge]

My collection rate is probably 50%. Maybe slightly less.

I would have to make two big mistakes in a single wave to die. One usually isn't enough to ruin it.

[autumn fulcrum]

It does warn

[civic surge]

Usually getting hit once just is like minus 1 wave off the run as a whole

[unborn girder]

I seem to struggle with planning boulders if I end up getting a 2nd car phase

[civic surge]

Second car phase doesn't bother me unless mokha is 100% covered with acid and melee grubs are coming directly against the wall during the shield phase.

I ignore blowpipe and just scobo. Usually he's just trolling me with like 10 HP left anyway so I might not even need a rock. lol

Improving DPS during car/orb phase I think is key

if you're struggling with that.

[unborn girder]

Thats a good suggestion. I think I try to blowpipe in that scenario and then usually dont move in time from dash due to getting blocked behind a boulder or something like that

[civic surge]

Yeah I get you. Blowpipe is so short range it's hard to be close enough to him to shoot and be close enough to a rock.

[night zephyr]

Yeah 99% of the time if I get a 2nd car phase he's dead after 1 dash anyway

[unborn girder]

True

Is there a way to make it easier to see the shadows on 6+? The dark tile colors make it hard for me to see the shadows for the boulder tiles

[unborn girder]

Lol just got 2nd pet too XD

[civic surge]

Oh nooo

[weary garden]

lets gooo #4

[unborn girder]

Gz!

[civic surge]

Pet gang!

[unborn girder]

@civic surge Think its worth to death coffer dupe eye?

[signal cipher]

idk how youd ever lose one

[unborn girder]

I'll throw it in then. Was running low anyways (2m left in coffer)

[civic surge]

Definitely. I love death coffer. 😄

I'd take anything at this point!

[unborn girder]

Holy moly

Heres mine

[civic surge]

Don't use me as your role model, man.

[unborn girder]

dupe central

[civic surge]

You don't have to do 3000 delves just because I am. 😄

At what point is it time to ask for Reddit Luck?