Osto-Ayak (Doom of Mokhaiotl)

[hallow dagger]

F3-6 btw, still haven’t beat 7

[wary oriole]

depends on delve level

[mighty rain]

20ticks iirc

[patent stirrup]

20ticks yeah, nearly always better to pop it early (with big distance between the trees) rather than popping it late

[dense ginkgo]

Pop the first tree immediately after your next attack on the boss

[fickle bobcat]

my solve if the boulder comes after 2 autos is to equip pneck and click food

[proven owl]

i usually do 3 tbow hits and proc the last tree 1t after the third auto

if im currently praying against boulders as that is happening ill proc the tree during the leeway you get in between the 2 boulders

but proccing early isnt too bad either if ur first tree is very far away which it often is

[night zephyr]

If the boss is in the middle you usually have such a long path that you can proc early

I've started proccing early every time when possible more so for the extra acid clear

[paper escarp]

You guys ever using rune arrows?

[keen rapids]

yes, i dont have amethyst and im not wasting d arrows at least til cas come out lol

[civic surge]

I calced amethyst arrows at +2 max hits over rune arrows in my setup, so I made some.

[dense ginkgo]

I can't not read your messages in Sam's TTG voice

[wise spire]

bruh, bp with sidewalk is actually kinda hard

dodging behind rocks while also flicking prayers and not losing ticks breaks my brain

[dense ginkgo]

learn clairvoyance and pre-pray against the first one

[civic surge]

Please instead read it in his voice from Hit the Road!

[placid vortex]

Is there a plugin yet that shows you what delve level you’re on similar to colo/inferno?

[granite turret]

It's in the name of the boss health indicator

[keen rapids]

it's also in the chatbox

[dense ginkgo]

Chatbox visible in 2025

[vocal girder]

any1 know what makes rockblock fail when placing the rock on the correct tile?

[granite turret]

you're probably too close to the boss when it charges

distance is dependent on where you are when it targets

[vocal girder]

ah thats probably it, i noticed it doesnt land right next to the wall.

thnx i'll keep that in mind

[timber sandal]

Wish I had zcb

[dense ginkgo]

only one way to fix that

[timber sandal]

Seems like quite a detour lol

[dense ginkgo]

it is

[arctic niche]

ye i feel like ive become worse trying to use bp cba using it anymore really apart from specs

[wise spire]

I've switched to using it up until second eye spawns

dps is pretty meh, but I'm not eating stray projectiles all the time now

[granite turret]

I only swapped back to scobo if I had a long run for 3rd charge, usually I was able to place 2nd boulder set in a place I could keep bp dps up for

[night zephyr]

You get used to bping. The DPS increase is worth getting used to it

[wise spire]

it's not about "getting used to it" so much in this case

sidewalk tech places the 2nd boulder in specific spots, the setup is consistent

[night zephyr]

Getting used to it as in not losing ticks with extra running/flicking during

[wise spire]

might switch to widega strat though

i mean yeah, but im old and my hands aren't what they used to be

[granite turret]

hey thats my excuse

[wise spire]

would rather sac the 5% dps or whatever it is for reducing the chance of fuckup to 0

[arctic niche]

i could use bp but i feel like i can do better with scobo

[night zephyr]

Went for a new PB with 1400 splinters on the line from wave 9

died on wave 14, no new pb :(

[night zephyr]

blowpipe is like 26 dps vs 23 dps for scobo in my setup. 13% increase is massive.

[granite turret]

that sounds high

[main briar]

Bp is about as good as tbow so it's not that surprising

[night zephyr]

31 ÷ 2 ÷ 0.6

[granite turret]

is there another multiplier other than accuracy?

[night zephyr]

Car phase is 100% accurate

[granite turret]

right

isn't it like

13-14 dps

or am I cooked

yeah 14.1 with ddarts idk where 26 is from

scobo 12

[night zephyr]

Oh

I did the calc with my blowpipe being 1 tick lmao

[granite turret]

bro playin leagues fr

[night zephyr]

That's why the DPS is like leagues

So yeah cut it in half for like 13-14

It's still gonna be a 13% increase for me at least considering I did the math wrong on both scobo and BP

[granite turret]

yeah increase sounds right I just wasn't sure what kinda cooked dps you were doing

[night zephyr]

This why I'm not one of the three people trusted to calc burning claws specs

[mild orchid]

big fan of waiting for 2 sets of boulders when bping car

[meager cradle]

anyway to highlight the rock bomb that explodes into range/mage?

[worldly jungle]

I swapped it to the ToA Zebak balls to see em easier.

[meager cradle]

didnt know that was a plugin just grabbed it thanks, sometimes the range one just blends in for me being a more brownish colour on my screen

Na dont like that better, if someone knows how to highlight it much appreciated, i tried using Range Bomb 3384 from pins but didnt seem to do anything.

[tribal igloo]

You can't highlight spotanims, only replace them with something else

[meager cradle]

damn fair enough, what makes it a spotanim compared to say the eyeball on vardorvis that pops up quickly? stationary vs moving?

[tribal igloo]

Vardorvis spawns NPCs. Doom spawns SpotAnims

[summer mica]

anyone have adjusted/recommended tiles for using BP with sidewalk tech? im new to using BP but tile 2 is not in BP range and its causing issues for me. I know BP is like 10-15% better DPS on paper, but I feel like I am losing a lot more than that with missed attack/taking damage as my character runs out of cover to attack with BP

using scobo, no zcb

[granite turret]

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[summer mica]

ty

[glad arch]

Anyone got the area sounds that are worth whitelisting for mokhaiotl by any chance?

[maiden cedar]

Do people still use the sidewalk tiles or are people using like widegas double park tiles

Not sure which would be more consistent

[night zephyr]

Probably a fair amount using both.

Widega is going to be more consistent because it covers every slam. But it takes longer to set up

[main briar]

Waiting for that many boulders seems like bait to me if you aren't going giga deep

[night zephyr]

You can also just add an extra rock during sidewalk if you happen to get two sets and have every slam covered. That's what I've been doing

[proven owl]

i use widega tiles but never wait for extra boulders

if i dont get them from doing shit dps then i just run to the other side of the map and find a boulder

as long as you drag the car with you it shouldnt be a dps loss

[maiden cedar]

That's probably the play tbh

[night zephyr]

You can do the same for sidewalk tech though.

So it's really just pick your flavor

[granite turret]

Do you just full send to the corner to get double park then

[nova solstice]

Sidewalk tech seems like a we get u to 25 then figure it out yourself tbh

[proven owl]

ye you really dont need any specific tech for it

[nova solstice]

Which is good enough for 99% of ppl

[maiden cedar]

Where do u put the rock if ur using the sidewalk tiles?

[night zephyr]

Sidewalk tech is a lot easier to modify for blowpipers though. Widega has the boss kind of far away to be blowpiping. (For the fellow scoboers)

[maiden cedar]

Yeah true piping with sidewalk tiles is really easy usually

[placid vortex]

Anyone have a video of the sidewalk tech? Or is that only worth on deep delves

I’ve yet to clear 8 😭

[tulip spade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCnp9qSyjAA

[placid vortex]

Ty

Only so far I can get carried by tbow

[tulip spade]

it's always worth using, especially the initial rock block makes the entire car phase much easier

by giving you a lot more rocks to work with for 2nd and 3rd slams

[placid vortex]

Yeah it feels like I’m always out of rocks and end up tanking the last slams

[main briar]

I don't think you need to deliberately drop 3 rocks. You will always get 2 from the first set and at least 1 of the random rocks will be fine for your 3rd stomp

[tulip spade]

oh i didn't mean it that way

just that a lot of rocks that would normally be destroyed by 1st slam instead stick around thanks to rock block

so 2nd and sometimes 3rd slam become chill

[worldly nexus]

How do people normally deal with the melee punish while also doing 2 x rock during deep delves?

best method i have found is to attack after the first 3 attacks hit but i often find myself standing in acid because i can't path correctly while 1 tick flicking

[keen rapids]

the sidewalk tech vid actually explains this too

[worldly nexus]

will give it a watch, ty

[keen rapids]

you basically start from the rock tile, run to second rock tile one tick before the first rock explodes (like when it dips down in the air) and you should be far enough away to not get hit by debris

i don't think it's 100% consistent tho at least not the tiles i use

but maybe i do it wrong

[worldly nexus]

oh wow

so you just run out of range of the rocks

sounds so much easier then the shit i have been trying lol

[night zephyr]

For the first one yeah

[keen rapids]

i think that is the idea yea

but i still sometimes get hit by second debris

[night zephyr]

The second one you can still get hit, but it's just the secondary debris. But you can get good at dodging that too

[worldly nexus]

will try it out, i have been hit by debris into acid

then sit there and tank acid hits while i 1 tick flick the last 3 attacks

and half the time get meleed at the same time

[keen rapids]

oh actually this is hella overdue

[worldly nexus]

just get fucked basically

[night zephyr]

Yeah id ingore trying to dodge the secondary debris for now while doing the melee punish, but when you get it down you can work it in

[worldly nexus]

will try it out, this looks alot more promising then what i have been doing

[tulip spade]

general principle is to click to attack with chally one tick before the second rock explodes, that way you drag out of the 2nd boulder as it pops and punish with appropriate timing and can start flicking. also be an even # of tiles away from the boss when you drag so that you don't go into its melee range

sidewalk tech scripts this nicely when you get a punish on the first boulder attack

[spice nest]

If melee punish I do 2nd explode - click boss - flick + move - flick + move out of shadow - flick - wait - flick - flick

Mabie too much apm idk

[tulip spade]

shouldn't your first move get you out of shadows there?

[spice nest]

I prioritise clicking on a clean tile first I can't see shadow before dat

I guess if first boulder's shadow is near I can click on dat

[toxic surge]

does that mean I should reset at 9, instead of trying to push further?

since 9+ has the same drop rate

[tulip spade]

you should do as many 8+ as you can manage to get more of those 1/540 rolls

[toxic surge]

I can get to 12 but it seems like it's not worth it?

since it has the same droprate as 9?

[tulip spade]

why wouldn't it be worth it

you are getting more good rolls

[granite turret]

It's way better then 1-7

[toxic surge]

the chart says 9+ has same drop rate for uniques

[tulip spade]

instead of having to do low floors with shit rates again

[granite turret]

If you could skip right to 8 then yeah, but spending more time at a higher rate is good

[toxic surge]

i see what you mean @granite turret

ty

[arctic niche]

its really good if u can use it just feel like its to hard imo like bp shamans my pb still with just scoboing instead of bp

[night zephyr]

Curious what's your PB?

[arctic niche]

ive completed wave 14

[night zephyr]

Gotcha. Yeah I don't think it's changing deep delve PB, still get the same amount of acid. I thought you were referring to a speed PB for some reason.

[arctic niche]

for me it changes i felt like cuz i just take extra dmg with bp skill issue but ye

less supplies less deep delving

[granite turret]

Pretty much all my deaths deep are from misflick rocks, mostly during orb, especially waiting for 2 rocks bp car is consistent

[mild orchid]

most of my deaths are orb phase when i get 2nd or 3rd attack boulder

[civic surge]

2nd attack boulder is 10x harder to deal with than either of the others.

[spice nest]

Gotta practice flick + move in one tick!

[autumn fulcrum]

You don’t have to flick plus move in 1 tick for any of them. For second attack boulder you click the second tree in the 1 tick you don’t change prayers while flicking the boulders and it pops up just in time

Flick + move does help tho 😄

[lone carbon]

Depends when tbh, if he launches double boulders as his second attack after car phase sure you have time to click tree during the 2 ticks of the same attack style, but sometimes he does boulder attack after 3 regular autos and then immediately goes to slam where things can get a bit spicy

[autumn fulcrum]

If he does it after 3 auto attacks I just ctrl walk while I’m in the orb, maybe I take damage from a bit of acid or debri but I’m not getting slammed or missing prayer flicks which is more important imo

[lone carbon]

yeah for sure

walk and

[arctic niche]

got the eye

[night zephyr]

New scobo PB.

Claiming here the acid is very rough

[vocal girder]

Is there any way to highlight range/mage orbs or any way to improve their visibility.

[granite turret]

You can change the way they look, but since they're not objects can't highlight

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[spice nest]

Imo mokha auto orbs are better visible than toa or tob mabie even better than inferno

Very distinctive colors

I just hid da floor instead because da room is very dark and to easier see shadow

[paper escarp]

Ye I had them as the Toa orbs but then realise that the default doom ones are way better

What do you mean hide the floor ?

[lone carbon]

I think I read a comment from last weeks update saying that debris all being the same colour has been brought up to the team, so hopefully in the future it might change to blue debris for blue orb etc

Which might help with visibility

[tulip spade]

i don't see why debris needs to have different colors, you aren't praying against the debris

[spice nest]

Like how you hide da tiles at tob bloat and replace with skybox color

I used blindfold plugin to hide dat

[paper escarp]

I never hid anything at bloat although I think I know what you mean

So it’s the blindfold plugin?

[spice nest]

Yus!

[timber sandal]

first wave eight. my fuckin heart omg

lfggggg

first of many my kings

we got this

[toxic surge]

I can push wave 12, but not consistent. I die often, resulting in loss of demon tears. I need 22k tears for the uniques. Do you think I should keep trying to push or pull out at like wave 9, so I can still get some demon tears?

[north axle]

22k isn't a lot

[toxic surge]

is it easy to farm them? idk because i dont leave at wave 6 orsomethign. the only tears i get are from leaving at late waves which doesnt happpen often

[plucky turret]

can always 25min afk them at like 700 tears/h

[autumn fulcrum]

i think if you just pot until you get consistently 12-15 then by the time you greenlog you should have enouigh only claiming on uniques or out of supplies

and if you dont itll take like 1 hour of 1-8 claims to get the tearss u need

[night zephyr]

It's quick to farm them if you get a unique and want the upgrade now.

[autumn fulcrum]

i only claim on uniques and out of supplies, ive claimed 28 times and have a bit over 19k tears

[night zephyr]

I've been doing the 25 minute afking. Very chill while wfh

[autumn fulcrum]

imo not worth it but yea that is definitely an option and if that works for you then can do that as well 😄

[weary garden]

Do you get a decent amount of clues from that? Can’t see anything on the wiki

[toxic surge]

i see ty

[night zephyr]

Pretty sure my bank is filled with clues, so I have no idea

[granite turret]

You get none

It's just for tears

[weary garden]

Unlucky

[night zephyr]

I don't mind having tons of extra tears for eye since I don't have a shadow. So I'm gonna afk the tears for awhile. Helps me feel better about almost never claiming too.

[autumn fulcrum]

isnt it like 1 tear = 2 charges = 4 death runes + 2 chaos runes = 1000 gp * 700/hr = 700k gp/hr

[granite turret]

1 tear = 1 charge

[autumn fulcrum]

so half that then

350k gp/hr

yea that seems giga unworth to me

[granite turret]

I think it's decent for setting up and walking away from PC/going to bed

[autumn fulcrum]

yea thats valid i suppose

[granite turret]

But yeah there's better afks if you're wfh

[autumn fulcrum]

id rather afk a castle wars game walking away from pc/going to bed than get like 300 shards

[proven owl]

for non cloggers/post max exp players there isnt really any afk late game

[spice nest]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449570845325656074/1406275273657159800/image.png?ex=68a5d3e8&is=68a48268&hm=f375fa9de5027c1acd97e87026fe2d5c97ab19a242b3496e3235185f59553603&

Mine is like just enough

[granite turret]

[spice nest]

Even though I got lucky!

But deep delves drop alot more tears

Also if you get lucky on staff first you get to charge quite a bit of tears

[proven owl]

pretty sure i ended up with 20-30k at the end from just staff

[granite turret]

I do really like that mechanic

Charging it in general just seems pretty easy

[night zephyr]

Yeah this consumable has a direct gp equivalent so they didn't have to make it giga rare for irons

25 minute afk is hard to beat when WFH and I actually need to stay focused. Even 5 minute afk stuff like amethyst can distract me too much.

[proven owl]

ye the only real issue is that its a long travel to the afk spot

[granite turret]

Yeah that's true you kinda have to be there already

[timber sandal]

this shit is hard to grind imo

like i get drained

it requires too much brainpower lol

[paper escarp]

So much nicer than trident man

Glad all I need zulrah for now is blowpipe

[dense ginkgo]

Yeah and I feel way more willing to use BP for pisschill content like slayer and Obsidian

[paper escarp]

I wonder if sailin will bring an alternative to zulrah scales

Seeing as they’re also adding. A bunch of blowpipes

Probably not but would be cool

[verbal edge]

arent the new blowpipes going to be trash

[paper escarp]

Idk did they release the stats?

Probably trash but low level ranged options are also pretty trash

[vocal girder]

uhh how exactly do you change orbs to toa orbs?

[paper escarp]

Think there’s another plugin that works called projectile something

But that one’s also good

[vocal girder]

thnx

[weary garden]

Love it jagex :)

fuck it we send delves

[arctic niche]

got to wave 15 (scobo) take back what i said bp seems worth trying to use getting way more skips

[mild orchid]

yea u skip orb quite often while bping 100% of car

[steady heart]

if using tbow, how worth it is it to use bp or dragon knives spec on car phase?

[wary oriole]

well bp is less dps so

not worth

[worldly jungle]

I use bp specs on car phase. Guaranteed heals and more dps.

[autumn fulcrum]

Strang disagree. Bp spec is great on car phase for hp sustain

[meager cradle]

sorry ive only started this boss past few days, is BP specs over Chally specs the play once on car phase levels? So for example if there is a melee punish prior to car phase i should just nox hit him instead of chally spec to save spec for BP?

[toxic surge]

Like wave 12+ there is too much acid for the shield phase. How do you guys manage acid in late waves?

I complete wave 12 and I have supplies to push like 14 easily but all the sides on doom are filled with acid. Impossible to do shield phase

[toxic surge]

Melee punish does alot more dmg than blowpipe spec. Just chally spec.

[lone carbon]

I only BP spec if I need the hp during car phase

[spice nest]

I wait for melee grub to be under him and melee there

Sometimes I tank 1 acid splat if I can't run under without avoiding

[spice nest]

Wat does dis mean

If punish too early his attack could overlap with da boulder?

[plucky turret]

think his projectile would overlap with the 3rd projectile from boulders yeah

looks like it still can it will just be the same prayer

[nova solstice]

what the fuck is this btw?

how to fix

[plucky turret]

debug text

[nova solstice]

what plugin is that?

[plucky turret]

jagex just forgot to disable it

[nova solstice]

LOL

wait this is op

it shows me the predetermined prayers

[brazen token]

Will the rocks that land before car phase clear the acid now post patch, or will the acid return after the rock is cleared?

[lone carbon]

debug text hype

[toxic surge]

like wave 12 and on almost the whole room around doom is covered in acid. how do you guys manage it? sometimes the larva starts coming from side where there is literally no free tiles, how do you beat it?

maybe thats the best wave I can clear with my gear? on every red hit it throws acid and I only have the scorching bow

[granite turret]

It's not that common, but you can step under/Hally to hit melee, or just let them through

I've seen ppl with 20+ scobo PBS so

I have 14 and I'm definitely skill issued at the boss

[toxic surge]

you have scobo aswell?

[granite turret]

Yes

[toxic surge]

I have wave 13 pb. do you do this "double parking" or do you use the gnomonkey method for rock block?

[granite turret]

I've just used the normal rock walk, waiting for 2 boulder sets so you can pipe most of car

[toxic surge]

yeah me too but I saw this on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULu5XC2weus&t=313s

[granite turret]

The vid from the pins

I don't think it's that relevant either way

Also harder to pipe as much I think with double park? With tbow I think it's much better

[spice nest]

Wat does double park mean

[granite turret]

Boss doesn't have the aoe slam 2 times

[spice nest]

Oo

[granite turret]

You just lure him right over a rock twice

[spice nest]

Sidewalk still bis for dragging out da car phase longer for dps right?

[granite turret]

Might be 1-2t longer? Not sure tho

[night zephyr]

My scobo pb is 16, but it's definitely doable to push 20. Shwax had good info on going under boss for melee grubs. You also can afford to let some in if need be. You aren't going for a world record.

If you really want to push to 20 with scobo I think you need to start focusing on clearing acid instead of trying to skip orb with blowpipe

Either through the free skip or delaying DPS when you don't get the free skip.

I'm personally satisfied with my 16 pb and don't plan to try to push for deeper unless the CA is 20 or more. Can just claim when I get to like 14-16 and the acid is unbearable.

[signal cipher]

i can consistently hit like 13/14 without paying attention to acid clearing

feel like beyond that you gotta start actually planning acid management

with scobo

or just get a very favorable run as far as acid distribution

[night zephyr]

Yeah I have a similar experience. My 16 pb was pretty much because he didn't choose to spit acid towards my luring tiles until the last 2 waves.

[signal cipher]

i think the skill issue comes in at the point you can no longer bp car phase because too many tiles are covered in acid

bow dps is so much worse you end up dealing with more mechanics

[toxic surge]

how tf

[signal cipher]

i do the method in the clip matt posted

[toxic surge]

yeah but the shield phase

[signal cipher]

i sometimes have to start killing the melees very far away from the boss

becuase i cant reach them close

[granite turret]

Juke is also cracked don't be baited

[signal cipher]

then just use mage and range to dmg shield

[night zephyr]

You should have plenty of supplies to take acid damage killing melee grubs if you are only going to 16

That + the other techniques mentioned here

[signal cipher]

ive been meaning to record a trip ill try and get a decent one

[brazen token]

Did the update today change acid at all, or do the rocks that covered acid reveal acid underneath them when they break?

[night zephyr]

If rocks remove acid now that would be huge

I don't think I noticed that on my couple of runs today though

[signal cipher]

ye removing acid would be sick

im watching someone stream rn ill try and see

[granite turret]

Fixed a bug where rocks placed on acid would disappear when the boss entered its burrow phase.
Kinda sounds like it wouldn't?

Weird to specifically say on burrow tho

[signal cipher]

looks like they do not clear acid

[granite turret]

Unfortunate

[wary oriole]

I use widegas tiles and i only clear acid i get the trees post death

Can usually get into the late teens, pb is 20

Scobo bp

[toxic surge]

thats insane pb

[toxic surge]

what widegas tiles?

[wary oriole]

Go to his stream and do !tiles

[toxic surge]

kk ty

[gleaming hare]

https://nightbot.tv/t/widega_/commands
!tiles

only works on 8 and above: https://pastebin.com/kbUUa9Zr dragging: https://www.twitch.tv/widega_/clip/KnottyBumblingAdminPeteZaroll-g__TMpV_-o6FYrc3 boulders: https://www.twitch.tv/widega_/clip/SmallBoxyLlamaOSkomodo-rCbr_wJrra_48tIH

[signal cipher]

[peak violet]

What timing are people using for spawning orb for orb phase? Is it just hitting the 2nd volatile earth after doom’s 3rd attack after the volatile earths spawn? And if the third attack is boulder, then spawn orb on the tick between the prayers for 1st and 2nd boulder?

[wary oriole]

shoot the boss 3 times with scobo and then proc

the timing is not really that tight though, unless you have him in a corner you should tons of leeway if you pick far apart trees

[toxic surge]

Internal timing

[mild orchid]

if u get boulder first attack u can proc 2nd volatile after the 6 hits, for 2nd and 3rd attack boulder i just wing it and try to get a long path 💀

[toxic surge]

I can feel it when he's about to slam

[granite turret]

2nd att boulder sucks I struggle with that one

[toxic surge]

But it's like 20 ticks to slam

[mild orchid]

the actual timing for 2nd boulder is on the 1 free tick inbetween flicking and 3rd boulder right as the boulder explodes iirc

[dense ginkgo]

true!!!

[barren wadi]

😵‍💫

[civic surge]

Talking Wave 8+

If boulder is first attack, I hit the second tree right after the 6 flicks end.

If boulder is 2nd attack, I hit the tree after the first 3 flicks before the second boulder's hits.

If boulder is 3rd attack, I hit the tree immediately after the 2nd attack hits me and walk it out.

[peak violet]

How do you know that 3rd attack is boulder before it comes out? Is it guaranteed if the first 2 are normal attacks?

[civic surge]

3rd attack could be a normal attack. That would be nice. 😄

In that case it just makes my life easier. Timing still works out.

[autumn fulcrum]

always attack a far tree right away then:

1. if the boulder is first attack, flick the boulders and then click the second tree
2. if the bolder is second attack, flick the boulders and click the second tree in the 1 tick you dont have to change prayers while flicking
3. if the boulder is third attack, click the second tree right before the first boulder pops, dodge, then ctrl walk then flick (this one hardest imo)
4. if he does 3 auto attacks boulders will be fourth attack, click the second tree around when the 3rd auto lands on you

learned most of this from pecan bread video @18:35

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMWS9U_bKhA&t=2s

oh ive not scrolled down to see the responses lolz :p at least this video is unique to the conversation

[civic surge]

Corroborating evidence is always preferable to blind acceptance!

[wary oriole]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDdk1BEJQkM
here's a pretty clean run where i got to 20 with scobo bp using widega tiles

very humble acid at the start but pretty cancer at the end if u want to see how to deal with it

[granite turret]

clean

[split saffron]

Where can I get those markers? I’ve been using gnomokeys and these are way better

[granite turret]

#1393419290589265960 message

[kind sandal]

The VPN tech

[dawn robin]

Anybody know ID to tag trees?

[dawn robin]

Tyty

[nova solstice]

do you happen to know which one is the melee punish out of those bottom 2?

[spice nest]

Doom_special is car iirc

Don't think there's any for melee punish

[autumn fulcrum]

i could be wrong but i think one is doom, one is shielded, and one is car. i dont think melee punish has different id from doom

[nova solstice]

damn

[autumn fulcrum]

yea what squidie said 😄

[nova solstice]

one struggle i had on the grind was knowing when it was meleee punish on fixed

[spice nest]

My strat is just to hover on melee weapon whenever he's gonna throw boulders until 75%

[bitter vortex]

thanks for uploading this, good stuff

[nova solstice]

nah it was just hard to see for me doing sidewalk tech tbh

thats all

[split saffron]

what plugin hides the floor?

[wary oriole]

Blindfold

[toxic surge]

great vid

you use bis weapons instead of those low death fee darklight and skull sceptre/slayer staff. is the dps difference big?

[night zephyr]

There is zero difference in DPS. Both do the same exact thing for killing grubs

[arctic niche]

i didint know there was a strat to like that

[wary oriole]

Burning claws only cost 5k on death and i cba reverting my emberlight

Eye of ayak accumulates free tears when you kill the boss and you can use it to kill grubs even when brewed down

[tulip spade]

You can drop it and get a darklight from sir prysin fyi

[scarlet vine]

you can set your autocast to the weaker demonbane spell and cast it while brewed down x3 as well

[split saffron]

eye pushed my blowpipe out of the top 3 so i just put a league kit on it and its free 4th item now

since its untradable i think is why it works

[main briar]

What's the consensus on specs with max gear?

Zcb/bp/ancient gs etc?

[wary oriole]

if i had max i would prob take zcb angs

[verbal edge]

I remember someone posting a chart awhile back that showed if you’re reached wave 15ish, around that point going deeper doesn’t reduce your hours per drop that much

So I expect doing speedy 1-15 runs with zcb beats 1-20/25 runs with bp

Just going off vibes though I haven’t done math

[main briar]

Also dang this shit is so much more consistent with +5 max hits over the iron and zcb

[proven owl]

i dont think there is a consensus

personally my bet is on mostly zcb with bp if ur willing to 3t and acgs if not

and either deep delve to 20-30 or bring some melee switches + scythe and delve to 15-20

im kinda leaning on speedrun 15-20 runs tho

maybe even a 6-8 way with the scythe if ur as good as someone like widega with acid

[wise spire]

there definitely comes a point where the acid management is so time consuming that it's better to just reset and take better gear instead

just depends where that point is

[wary oriole]

my strategy is to not do anything dangerous to manage acid

I go for the free orb and try to pick a decent path during stomp if it's not too out of the way

and if acid gets to shitty then I can claim

usually around 15 if i get bad rng

[toxic surge]

200 deep delves. every deep delve like 12-13 consistently

both drops at wave 3 and 7

[peak violet]

Are there any good options for getting to doom aside from ates? I’m almost out of tears and I’ve never done colosseum before so I don’t have the ring of dueling tele to birds yet

[granite turret]

Fortis tabs

[night zephyr]

Hunter cape/whistle is good if you have 99 hunter/have done rumours

[peak violet]

Don’t have either of those, but I guess I could take a break from doom to do some rumors.

Would it be worth just farming more tears?

[night zephyr]

Have you done amox CAs? You should get a decent amount of tears if you try to finish those. And it's not a waste of time then

[verbal edge]

amox give you around 10 tears per kill

just do a few kills

[peak violet]

I think I have a couple left so I guess I’ll do that

[keen rapids]

hunter guild tele?

if 99 hunter

if not 99 hunter go pot colo, don't have to get very far

[peak violet]

Ended up just doing a half hour of amox, which was enough for a bunch of teles

[arctic niche]

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1mwrvht/doom_drop_rates_may_be_bugged_after_the_clue/ im assuming this is just a cap theory? but always get nervous

[night zephyr]

Would be nice if we had access to some of our own crowd sourced data by now that we could look into this

[arctic niche]

is that not normally revealed earlier to approx drop rates before jagex releases them?

[tribal igloo]

No, the wiki does not typically release crowd sourced data. Only drop rates

[main briar]

I swear I've seen approx rates on there before the jagex official releases

don't remember when though

[tribal igloo]

The wiki posts approx rates, but not raw crowd source data

[main briar]

Definitely also remember them investigating some drop rate conspiracy at least once too

[leaden vault]

i should have left to toa 3k delves ago smh...

[wanton skiff]

for the widega tiles, do you have to run all the way across the room from start point? does things only work from the north side?

do things*

[keen rapids]

23

claimed cause i was already taking 20s to venom

second venom pot will be added to the setup

or what about a stack of araxyte sacks

[night zephyr]

Is extended AV+ not enough for you to push to 30? I think I still had 2 doses on my 16 pb.

I do try and be careful to not waste a dose 1-7 though.

Nevermind I had 1 dose and a minute on immunity.

[keen rapids]

i wasn't really waiting til it hit hard before curing it

could do that especially early on

[sharp matrix]

I could believe this

[wise spire]

Reminds me of the gnomonkey tab

Double pet in like 3k delves or something, nothing else

[grizzled comet]

what's a good shard/consistency point to start using quiver charges? i have 9.4k atm - wonder if i'm supposed to send immediately or wait until i'm consistently getting to f8+

[arctic niche]

ive been able to just profit splinters at this boss using it all the way

[unborn girder]

how many darts/hr used if you blowpipe during the car phases?

[leaden vault]

[spice nest]

Uncurse yourself right meow

[alpine jewel]

has to be the dryest log i’ve seen

[meager cradle]

anyone know the sound ID for larvas hitting boss?

[meager cradle]

is whats showing up in visual sounds, but isnt muting hmm

[plucky turret]

i think thats your characters groan when they get hit

[meager cradle]

ah make sense kk not sure if it has a sound id then rip gonna keep susing

found it its 5036, for larva sound id when they hit the boss and damage you.

[leaden vault]

ah yes let me farm 4 extra zenytes and 40k tears

[night zephyr]

-30m iron gp to convert. Thanks jagex

[main briar]

That's assuming you use all your tears on... Something

I can't imagine ever running out and using runes lol

[signal cipher]

i’m going to have basically 0 tears when i get eye since that’s all i have left and i pretty much never claim

[proven owl]

ill just use all my tears at pnm

i have 130k tears and pretty sure i can use that even with just missing mace and jar

[dense ginkgo]

I've used half of mine (not counting the ones banked for when I get boots) in the week or two since getting mine

Whisperer/Barrows/CMs

[main briar]

Yeah but the cast majority of people aren't gonna be doing thousands of pnm

Ig if you do doom into co, without getting shadow you'll use a lot

[deep kayak]

Are the sunkissed bones worth turning into bone shards and if so what the hell even is the best method once u have the shards lol

[heady flicker]

Very worth

They’re not that far off dragon bones

• not chaos at chaos altar obviously

[keen rapids]

A little worse than dragon bones at gilded altar iirc

[autumn fulcrum]

and you want to use the sunfire blessed wines

not regular blessed wines

[deep kayak]

Yeah that was my next question how should I use them

[heady flicker]

Watching a guide is the easiest

[deep kayak]

no i meant like what wines like he said haha

but tyty

[autumn fulcrum]

when youre using the shards i think its worth to bring 1 prayer pot per inventory as well as opposed to running to the prayer altar

[deep kayak]

good thing i do my farm runs

[nova solstice]

yeah im in the same boat

i had 0 tears after making uniques

[placid vortex]

do you drop rocks on 1/2/3 or are those stand during car tiles?

[north axle]

watch the video those tiles come from it's like 5 minutes long

[placid vortex]

i feel like i shouldve thought of that

ty wizzy xd

[wise spire]

shit boss

[verbal edge]

good boss

[placid vortex]

how long did it take you guys to consistenly clear 8?

[signal cipher]

~200-250 total delves

[placid vortex]

ah i really gotta quit working on my skill issue restricted im

[signal cipher]

don’t think it’s very useful to measure yourself against others here

this content is very hard and some of the mechanics will take more time to learn depending on your existing pvm experience

[placid vortex]

ty juke <3 appreciate it

[signal cipher]

the skill curve is also quite gear dependent

if you’re seeing orb phase every deep delve you’re just going to die more than someone equally skilled in max

[placid vortex]

ahhh i gotta go grind a zcb before i go delve thats a good plan /s

best part of osrs is theres always copium if you look hard enough

[signal cipher]

nah def don’t wait for zcb

[placid vortex]

na ive def got the gear just gotta git gud

[wise spire]

uh

you kinda want scobo somewhere in there yah?

[placid vortex]

synapses arent real

[wise spire]

[placid vortex]

:,)

[main briar]

Alternatively you can do what I did, finish delve and then immediately get a zcb

[placid vortex]

ooh thats a good idea

[spice nest]

Make some holy water for da ranged grubs

[verbal edge]

Zcb isn’t nearly as important as people thought it was first couple weeks

Now that people are going deep, the hp cost and opportunity cost of it not being a healing spec are relevant

Plus the changes that allowed you to proc farther into shield phase means skips are more consistent even without it

[placid vortex]

surely holy water is a meme

isnt it a massive pain in the ass+ short range?

[sharp matrix]

It's a meme, pita to make

Tbow'ing grubs will work since youre so dry on synapse but careful on the arrow stack

I spent 20k+ arrows on 1750 delves

[placid vortex]

how tf

were you using an attractor?

or maybe this is a much much much bigger grind than i thought

[unborn girder]

I did 3 days or so of this boss when it came out and then took long break to get some other items. First day back... how long did it take you guys to get use to wave 6-7, then 8. I feel like im making stupid mistakes and getting combo'd out

[main briar]

it does indeed eat a lot of arrows

[placid vortex]

as a fellow noob im camping 90+hp and bringing combo food for missed slams

made the brews to chug them :D

[unborn girder]

so I should be bring brews over anglerfish?

This is what Ive been bringing

[placid vortex]

probably personal pref at some point

[main briar]

Not bringing brews seems insane

as soon as you can clear 8 ig

before that it doesn't really matter

[placid vortex]

1000% bring at least some combo

[verbal edge]

I don’t think you should take an inv of anglers to any content in the game

Anglers are insanely slow to fish, they’re mainly for prepotting or if you want to overheal

[unborn girder]

true but i have 10k of them

[north axle]

yummy

but still just use sharks imo

if not brewing

[verbal edge]

10k isn’t unlimited if you’re using them that freely

[unborn girder]

any tips for not getting smacked durign unearthern orb phase when he also does boulders

[north axle]

speaking of not unlimited

i am running out of mantas

[placid vortex]

1 angler to be at 121 for 8 is a good call ima start bringing 1

[verbal edge]

Same, I’m hoping sailing bails me out

[north axle]

in sailing, you bail out

[verbal edge]

I don’t do much of the content that drops 22s anymore

[main briar]

I am completely out of mantas, i had like 10k dark crabs from 99 fishing

[unborn girder]

this boss definitely makes me feel bad at the game

[main briar]

halfway through those

[north axle]

I have 0

kinda regret not doing dark crabs

[main briar]

I might just do more

kinda out of useful afk stuff that isn't melee vyres or blood runes

[north axle]

i could see myself doing 2t post 99 crabs with flakes

does that even still exist?

[main briar]

I used so many crabs/mantas at yama

[autumn fulcrum]

everyone is different boss just keep practicing and youll improve. is there something specific youre strugling with?

oh im dumb i didnt scroll down my bad

[north axle]

i got bored at y ama and never finished

i might end up maging with new max mage

[autumn fulcrum]

i believe 2t crabs doesnt work anymore because of autocast changes, could be wrong

dark crabs yummy

[unborn girder]

lining up two of these trees to be straight line LOOL

then getting scrambled when I goes diagonal while trying to flick theboulders simultaneously

[autumn fulcrum]

have u watched pecan breads video regarding that

[unborn girder]

nop

[autumn fulcrum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMWS9U_bKhA&t=1115s

starting @18:35

he covers the tree orb mechanic and how best to deal with it

using what he covers there to know when to click the second tree is the important part

[unborn girder]

while check it out after this kill

thanks

[autumn fulcrum]

you can also start off standing a bit in front of where the orb is gonna path if necessary maybe you take 1 stomp but thats not end of world while learning

yea np gl u got this

[unborn girder]

just died to double boulder rip

alright gonna check it out

thanks for the faith 😄

just ignore grub if you get doube boulder to deal with?

[signal cipher]

at first yes

once youre comfy with it tho theres no need

[alpine jewel]

what’s the tech for this?

[autumn fulcrum]

as far as i know there is not much you can do except not miss ticks attacking the boss once youve brought it below 75%.

[verbal edge]

yeah i was just talking about the fact that they made it so you can hit it farther under 75%

not really tech just a change they made

[granite turret]

I haven't been in a while, this means the next hit after you hit with chally into grub phase goes through right

[unborn girder]

sometimes when i ctrl-walk my character randomly stops walking like halfway through, and its happened a handful of times now. Ive been extra cognizant to make sure i click far away so I'm not sure why this is happening

[vocal girder]

is there a video on efficient acid clearing?

[nova solstice]

probably any jackoo or widega vod

[weary garden]

I think this happens when a boulder lands on you or a boulder gets put in your path? I’ve had it happen to me a few times

[vocal girder]

yeah or sometimes if a boulder lands after you have started your run animation it will stop you and you have to click again which is hard to do when switching prayers

[vocal girder]

will check those out, ty

[whole escarp]

A normie somewhere is very jealous

[unborn girder]

i feel like im getting worse at this the more i practice

[civic surge]

That means you're learning (for real)

[unborn girder]

well i just did my first wave 8 and almost had the b2b with 9

but the unearthern orb with double boulder flick is tough

I consider myself a pretty good player but this content has me rethinking

[brazen token]

Is it default behavior to show both HP and % HP? I've seen some people with it but can't find out how. It seems important to know when it's under 75%

[worldly jungle]

You feel that way and then 30 kc later you’re chilling.

[unborn girder]

I think one of my problems was that i turned on prayer before 2nd boulder explodes

[worldly jungle]

I keep the default then use Monster HP Percentage on specific monsters I want.

[unborn girder]

is the highscores number you see when you look someone up their deep delves kc?

[north axle]

yes

[unborn girder]

is it correct to think that you click prayer and start flicking immediately after 2nd boulder explodes?

and click boss in between the first set and 2nd set

[granite turret]

yes, but unless he's doing melee punish and you didn't get it before first boulder I wouldn't focus on getting back on the boss until your comfortable with weaving that in

[unborn girder]

for meele punish, if you start on the rock tile, do you just click boss with meele weapon as soon as first boulder explodes?

then just think about flicking

[granite turret]

if you use sidewalk you click to one of the clusters of tiles the tick before ball explodes, then when you reach them click the boss and begin flicking

[vocal girder]

This boss is hard to learn to do consistently ngl. Theres so many small things that can insta kill you in 8+.

[unborn girder]

yeah i did this a couple times

hit or miss whether i screwed up the prayer flicks

[vocal girder]

Best thing that has worked for me is to step on shadow from 1st rock then start praying next tick.

[granite turret]

you have to wait 1t before stepping on shadow, but yeah that works well

[vocal girder]

Sometimes you pray on the same tick you step on shadow which turns off your pray (2nd boulder does this) and you die

No other way but to die a lot and get used to the timings imo

[unborn girder]

Practice makes perfect. We preach it and its the truth

[placid vortex]

and deaths are cheap

[unborn girder]

but man I swear sometimes my best attempts at content is at start of the day and then as I play more I get worse LOL

[granite turret]

I think that's common

Lower floors also have really annoying timing

[unborn girder]

ya occasionally Ill troll on lower floor and get KO'd too

although not as commonly now

[granite turret]

I've had like b3b 13/14 then die 6

[unborn girder]

i think clearing 7 consistently is a milestone for me now, and next is to get 8 down

im like >80% with 7

[vocal girder]

also playing when theres many ppl on scuffs the runs a bit

[civic surge]

Wait until you get to the phase "I'm so hyperfocused on wave 8+ that I forget how to play earlier waves."

[unborn girder]

I want to be there

wave 8 giving me more trouble then inferno lol

[vocal girder]

you'll get there

[civic surge]

Suddenly you'll work out your problems and it'll all click

[unborn girder]

Thats exactly what Im waiting for

I think im mostly at a stage where I cant think my way through it any further, just have to feel it out and get it

[vocal girder]

earlier waves got me trying to 1tick flick everything and waste as little prayer as possible. I think thats a very cool skill check you can do to not snooze at the earlier waves

[unborn girder]

Ill keep recording my 8+ to see where I'm messing up

again I think my biggest thing was I was turning prayer on right after first boulder exploded, and 2nd boulder exploding turned it off, then I was just panic mode

that works on the earlier waves, so its still a habit to me

[granite turret]

yep, talked about this before but lower waves are actively unhelpful in preparing you for later ones

[wary oriole]

i swear i take more damage from orb+boulder on like 2-5 than i do 8+

[civic surge]

Yes! That's where I'm at. Sometimes I get slammed on wave 5 because my brain freezes and is like "Uhhhh what do I do against only one boulder?"

[vocal girder]

btw for fastest drops is it a go as deep as possible approach or is there is certain floor cutoff.

[dense ginkgo]

as deep as possible

[peak violet]

Is it ever worth using nally over chally? Feels like I'm using a lot of spec on melee punish on 8+ when I'd like to have it for bp on car phase instead

[sullen sable]

if you're doing big deep delves, nally is fewer hit splats vs chally spec so less acid

[granite turret]

you can just do a normal auto

I think the speedup from early waves justifies chally if your next best spec is bp

[peak violet]

Fair enough. I guess for most of the chally attack delay you're flicking double boulders anyways

[mild orchid]

i only used chally spec on punish after having my rocks setup for a deep shield proc to hopefully skip orb

[main briar]

Deeper procs is very nice though

[granite turret]

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1mz9psp/delve_221/

[unborn girder]

i dont understand, i was walking with the unearthern orb but i still took damage from the poison that i walked over while underneath it

[granite turret]

it only clears when it reaches the center of the orb

so you have to be on the back part of the protection

[unborn girder]

oh lol

ive been staying with the front of it

[night zephyr]

Am I misremembering or did we just jump from a 180 6 hour log to a 220 6 hour log? Was the strategy changed so dramatically to prioritize speed?

[granite turret]

I thought there were a few bumps in between but yeah, just quicker cleaner kills lol

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[granite turret]

https://i.imgur.com/IyFweQM.png

[night zephyr]

ahhh that makes sense

[north axle]

he also has a new widega tile to block the first two car hits with only one rock attack

it's very nifty

[nova solstice]

who got it?

Wide or jakcoo

[north axle]

wide

[nova solstice]

Dang

is it only those 2 competing or what

is there anyone else that can even get close

[north axle]

i could i just haven't gone all out yet

[timber sandal]

Having such a tough time not getting hit by one rock on the double boulder. I feel like I move enough too. Confused. May need to record and watch back gameplay

[tacit rock]

came for the staff

staying for the staff

plz

[arctic niche]

are these the tiles or something diffrent?

[north axle]

kinda different

now he starts on NW boulder and clicks east before the pop

and it blocks b1 and b2

with only one rock throw

[unborn girder]

I’ve been recording my gameplay and seeing where I’m messing up

[wary oriole]

any way to highlight or transform the boulders depending on the color

[tribal igloo]

Doom of Mokhaiotl Colorblind Helper or Projectile Override

[worldly nexus]

is masouri recommended over void now (based on Wide's stream) or is that just a ultra deep dive thing?

[granite turret]

p sure void still better cuz you get the max hits, he does masori to have higher acc so he can get free orbs more frequently

[worldly nexus]

legend, ty

[leaden vault]

its over

i can rest

[honest kayak]

finally done, nearly 1k delves for the cloth

[leaden vault]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-want-to-play-with-you-anymore-toy-story-i-dont-wanna-play-with-you-anymore-dont-wanna-play-no-more-play-gif-26906930

[honest kayak]

congrats

time to dump tormented brace

[leaden vault]

u2 bro

yeah a heavy ballista would be cool i guess 😛

[honest kayak]

just saw you had 6 boots

thats a lot of cash tbh

[leaden vault]

yeah my shitty main is chilling

[honest kayak]

what are you doing with the spare cloths?

[leaden vault]

gonna farm zenytes l0l

only fucked part is ill need 40k demon tears

[honest kayak]

yeah its pretty ass on an iron tbh

[leaden vault]

i have them but thats a big chunk of my tears

[honest kayak]

idk if its worth it

[leaden vault]

itd be ~360m on the main

can you death coffer araxor fang?

[honest kayak]

a lot of effort though

you'd have to get all 4 zenytes again

idk about fang

[leaden vault]

such a silly mechanic tbh

[honest kayak]

yeah its like the arraxor halberd bits

just taking up bank space

[night zephyr]

If you consider the only and gp and all the demon tears being used instead of buying runes for the eye of ayak then it's -7.5m iron gp per cloth you convert in exchange for 85m main gp

• 5 hours of your irons time and supplies used. It seems very not worth it anymore.

[brazen token]

Change this to Both if you want exact HP and % HP in the same default UI

[civic surge]

Is there any tech for manipulating where shield phase grubs go? I'd swear it tries to go to the opposite of where you currently are, but other times I try to position myself and manipulate it, it just goes wherever it damn well feels like.

[opal lark]

Happy to hit 20 with Scobo/ZCB, thanks @wary oriole your vid helped me get comfy/push deeper

[peak violet]

Do we know if the uniques are rolled separately from each other? I'd like to know if I'm still on rate for the other uniques after getting some dupes

[granite turret]

wiki makes me think it's all on the same table, just rolled based on level you're on

[wary oriole]

it's irrelevant

[granite turret]

there's a calc on there if you'd like to cope anyway

[dense ginkgo]

if you treat all three drops as the same rate then you need 5.5 uniques on average to get all three

[wary oriole]

we did it

[keen rapids]

aint no fucking way widega cleared 221...

he must have been playing more unsafe than his 6 hour 181 clear right? maybe just dropping one set of rocks per wave?

[wary oriole]

yeah he said the change to let rocks not break when they get put on acid lets him do a 1 boulder setup

plus he just didnt clear as much

[keen rapids]

huh ngl i didnt know that was a thing

Fixed a bug where rocks placed on acid would disappear when the boss entered its burrow phase.

[wary oriole]

yeah it was pissing me off with one of the previous sets of tiles

acid gets placed on one of your rock bait spots mid kill and its gg

[keen rapids]

so how much more can be done to beat the 6h timer

besides not taking a bathroom break at 143 xd

[wary oriole]

dunno but i doubt it gets pushed all that much more

just cause it's not as interesting now

6 hours of perfect play just to increase the record by 2 or whatever

widega's back at awakened vard last i saw

[timber sandal]

what is the plugin to make the ground easier to see

[tribal igloo]

Blindfold?

[signal cipher]

low detail, ground objects hider, or blindfold can all do that

depending on what area

[timber sandal]

the area is the doom area lol

ill try blindfold

ok yeah

i think its blindfold

with scenery off

wait no

i cxant see the rocks now

low detail

[signal cipher]

yeah blindfold is limited in where it’s useful

[timber sandal]

it works

yall trolled me fr

lol

[signal cipher]

like blindfold hides bloat floor but it also hides the shadows

so you gotta use other plugins

[heady flicker]

I couldn't find the ID for ground object hider to work for doom, was I doing something wrong?

I have it at bloat, copied from a video, and verz throne room I did manually. Think I just used identificator plugin to find IDs to remove

[keen rapids]

So anyone gonna apply for deepest delve role or am I gonna claim it with my floor 23 pb

[spice nest]

Next week when da delve ca is out surely

Or is it dis week

[main briar]

next week

[north axle]

Sept 3rd

I need to hone my skills

Probably gonna be delve 20 or something

Perfect 1-8, 1-8 speed

Maybe 'kill 8 without killing a grub'

[spice nest]

Sounds easy enough ngl

[keen rapids]

Rather it be something like without hitting doom with grubs

I think the biggest struggle for perfect 1-8 for me would be reframing my mindset to kill the grubs before they reach doom

[dense ginkgo]

@burnt lichen free role

[north axle]

way too easy

you could oneshot that if you wanted to 100%

[keen rapids]

yea true, it's literally how i was fighting the boss on day 1

before i knew of the aoe damage

hitting him

[north axle]

same

and you get free 50 damage into car

[main briar]

Ideally it's not cancerous

but also like, most cas are oneshotable idk man

[keen rapids]

prob gonna be one of those things where doing each component perfectly is a ca and then doing them all is a gm ca

[granite turret]

do one 1-8 normally get 6/8 CAs done

[burnt lichen]

my deepest was 30 once they did the acid clearing changes

30 is about the point where you run out of prayer

u need to do some flicking or prayer specs

[nova solstice]

eldritch goes hardd

if ur rly tryna go deep

u do need to flick still ofc

[leaden vault]

anyone know if confliction passive works on magic special attacks?

[limber finch]

I’ve heard it only works on back-to-back specs (assuming you miss the first one)

[steady heart]

there was a redit post about using eye on nex until splashing, and then use spec for the accuracy boost

[limber finch]

I’m not sure if anyone has actually confirmed anything about it tbh, seemed like what I heard was mostly based on people reasoning that the “same spell” meant that it couldn’t be an auto attack followed by a spec

But maybe someone asked a jmod or something

[dense ginkgo]

this is how it was polled

hard to confirm one way or the other since there's no feedback when the gauntlets proc

[limber finch]

Oh did they specifically talk about specs not mixing with autos?

[limber finch]

Yeah and accuracy tests are annoying to get a reasonable degree of confidence

[dense ginkgo]

actually the blog says as long as it's the same weapon or spell it's fine

maybe I'm remembering some reddit comment or something

or just misremembering

[timber sandal]

heres a messy wave eight from me. any tips would be greatly appreciated. im always getting hit by the second boulders rocks. and then sometimes i put up prayer too quick, im still learning the timing. maybe i need to run more when the second boulder comes in? idk

[warm cloak]

If you step on the shadow of the first boulder on the tick it explodes, the next tick you can start praying and the 2nd boulder can never land a rock on those first shadows.

The timing is like last row of wardens at ToA

[timber sandal]

not sure i follow

[warm cloak]

Before you pray for the first boulder, you step onto the shadow on the ground then start praying, this will let you just sit on the same tile for 6 prayers straight

[night zephyr]

The timing will build up muscle memory through practice.

[warm cloak]

Yes, if you go to the boulder shot at 27seconds in

That last click you did is where you would click on the shadow

Then you start praying everything

[night zephyr]

Also for car phase I noticed you tanked the 3rd stomp. The second you see the rock placement start planning your movement/positioning for how you'll protect the 3rd stomp.

You have a lot of time of easy downtime during first 2 stomps to plan how you'll get there.

[timber sandal]

ok i think i get it. i move one tick away from the rock. and then after i move i instantly move back to a rock, which will be exploding before i get there, yeah? and then i start praying?

[timber sandal]

yeah i often times dont think about third rock placement. you're right though. its tough cause its usually so far anyways i cant even get to it

[tulip spade]

you can always get to it, you have a huge amount of time

you can run across pretty much the entire room in the time between an eye spawn and a shockwave

[tulip spade]

not exactly? you're dodging the first set of falling rocks, then clicking to move onto one of them as it lands, such that you arrive on the tile the tick after it lands. this guarantees not getting hit by any rocks and then you can fully focus on your prayers
as mentioned above, if you've learned last row at ToA it's the same principle, where the same tile can't get hit twice in a row, so a tile that's about to get hit is a tile that's about to be safe

[mighty rain]

I am your champion

[unborn girder]

Having trouble with wave 8 tree phase

I feel pretty stupid trying to find a striaght line tree path that is long enough

and prepping the two sides while potentially also flicking boulder

idk how some of you do 20-30 of these in a row

[north axle]

It's not hard

You're probably proccing too early

And this think you need a longer path than you really do

And it's also totally fine to take a longer oath that isn't straight line

Especially if you can proc it early and just wait for it to come to you after it diagnolizes

[dense ginkgo]

Yeah if it's only a little off from being a straight line it's good

Not all diagonals are created equal

[unborn girder]

well at least ive beaten 8 a few times today

so making progress

i think i got the timing down for clicking on boss in between the 2 boulder flicks

so thats good

[dense ginkgo]

9 has higher max hits but lower hp so it's generally easier

[unborn girder]

ive choked on 9 every time XD

[dense ginkgo]

even using chally and thralls acid won't be an issue until like 12

[unborn girder]

is acid randomly placed?

sometimes I get acid on my rock tile

then idk what to do

or on my 2nd boulder tile, or on the tile behind it where im suppoed to be blowpiping from

[dense ginkgo]

yes but reducing your hitsplats reduces how much acid there is, and you can use the orb to clear tiles you care about

[unborn girder]

do you chally spec on 6+ at start?

i almost always miss 2nd boulder placement when i do

[dense ginkgo]

I only used it for speccing for melee punish but that was before intentionally placing boulders

oh I see what you mean

yeah I used to, but again that was when I was just eyeballing car phase boulders

[tulip spade]

acid on rock-block tile shouldn't happen if you are luring car phase properly, i think

[unborn girder]

whats the improper way that results in that

[tulip spade]

luring him in the wrong direction
if you're doing sidewalk tech, your rock-block tiles are north and east, and car phases should end on west and south (respectively, depending on which rock-block you started from)

like so

that way doom is only ever throwing acid from either center, west, or south, none of which are in acid-throwing range of your rock-block tiles

[unborn girder]

those arent the blowpipe tiles correct?

[tulip spade]

no, but i believe doom's path should be the same for piping

now your second boulder tiles can and will get ragged, but their positioning doesn't need to be exact

[night zephyr]

No

You need to use different luring tiles for blowpipe.

And unfortunately the acid will get on your luring tiles for blowpipe, so you either have to choose between scoboing when it does or taking some acid damage

But fez is right that the path will be the same.

[unborn girder]

is it easie to ctrl-walk on wave 8+ for orb phase

or just focus flicks and try to align your orb to meet you where you stand then manually path

i can pretty consistently get to orb w8 but its hit or miss if i can pass it

if he does the boulder spec first then its free, just focus on flicks then proc second tree

anything else is still tough

[tulip spade]

ctrl-walk is ideal yeah

especially once the diagonal is done you want to ctrl-click far away in a straight line to cover the rest of the necessary movement

pecanbread guide has a good breakdown of how to handle orb depending on which attack the boulder comes out on

first = free, just flick all projectiles and then pop orb
second = pop orb on your free tick mid-flicking
third = pop orb on bomb explosion then move and flick (hardest one)
fourth or fifth = pop orb, move for a bit, then flick (probably easy b/c you're done with diagonal movement by now)

[timber sandal]

when i get melee punish in wave 8 or 9 i get a rock that pushes me into bosses melee range

wtf

[tulip spade]

hmm
simply don't get pushed?

[vocal girder]

Ye that will happen cuz ur usually not landing on a shadowed tile.

When melee punishing

[night zephyr]

You just simply need to move. You should never be pushed. That means you didn't dodge the main boulder.

You'll take some damage from debris while learning to dodge it, but getting pushed means you arent dodging the main boulder

[unborn girder]

wooho got past first 9

[unborn girder]

yeah when he does boulder on 2nd or 3rd attack for tree phase it is tricky

I get mentally screwed up because there is so much acid on floor

[tulip spade]

when learning you kinda need to just not worry about acid

taking a couple ticks while preparing to pop the orb is not a big deal, and once the orb is popped it'll clean acid for you

[unborn girder]

i know but then i realzied i had been standing in it and took like 50 HP LOL

[tulip spade]

ok well yeah don't stand still in it xd

[unborn girder]

I also find it a bit challenging to always be with the back of the orb

which is the only spot that clears the acid

[brazen token]

255 deep delves and I'm justing learning "demonic charge" exists. So ideally, never let a larva in on early waves so if one does get in late it's not as punishing?

[unborn girder]

i just learnt yesterday that hits on the trees are max hits, so blowpipe spec is full max hit spec

[keen rapids]

i assume eldritch specs on trees give max prayer too then?

haven't tried eldritch yet

[granite turret]

Yep

[wise spire]

I like how the loot is so incredibly bad that the only reason I'm not going to keep going is because I ran out of ranging pot doses

[civic surge]

This is why I claim. Just straight run out of resources. lol

[verbal edge]

1000 aether?

nothing bad about that

[autumn fulcrum]

Facts 1000 aether is like as good as you can get as far as common loot goes

[split saffron]

are CA expected tomorrow?

[main briar]

No, next week

[wise spire]

I already have like 75k from yama

Just want teleports and splinters from here really

[main briar]

I value the aether at 0 as well

[tulip spade]

does anyone have sidewalk tiles for pipe

i've been free-balling it a bit

[keen rapids]

if by "sidewalk" here you mean off to the side such that he won't run you over, that's kind of contradictory with being in bp range

[tulip spade]

true

[keen rapids]

just be where you need to be when the targeting happens

[tulip spade]

i just mean tiles for piping car phase generally

free-balling it has been working fine enough i'm just wondering if it can be a little easier

[signal cipher]

matt posted a vid in here that shows them

[wise spire]

I use the regular sidewalk tiles but just stand diagonally one tile closer

then step out once targeting happens

[unborn girder]

okay almost got through 11. The acid is crazy. Is only way to deal with it by intentional pathing of the unearthen orb?

[wise spire]

yes

[unborn girder]

my tiles for placing boulder and standing around them got screwed up with acid

[wise spire]

from roughly 12 and onwards, most of the arena is acid and you have to path the orb correctly if you don't want to stand in it all day

[unborn girder]

then by time I got to car phase it was major freeballin

[wise spire]

tbow owners win again

[unborn girder]

Wouldnt t bow users still get acid plus not be able to clear it

?

if they are skipping orb phase

[wise spire]

Tbowers get more freedom with which tiles are usable due to range over bp, and also generate less acid as a result of slower attack speed and rarely going past orbs.

[timber sandal]

OK I think I understand the double boulder. First tick move to a tile with no rubble, next tick move to tile that had rubble, next tick start praying.

What I haven't found is what do you do with melee punish double boulder? I go in to chally but then get pushed by rubble. When do I move out the way? Do I just not worry about getting a rock down for my car setup?

Idk if I'm making sense

I'm set up for the gnomonkey car tiles

So I'm far from the boss for a chally hit

[unborn girder]

If you're getting pushed by rubble then you're standing still when the 2nd boulder plants, no?

[timber sandal]

I'm running in from far for the melee punish, should I not be?

I'll try recording myself tomorrow

Basically I'm far from the boss. And he starts his melee charge up and shoots two boulders

I wait for first boulder to break and then click boss with chally

[unborn girder]

you can plant both boulders ( 1 on rock tile and 1 on the other tile you need for gnomemonkey blowpipe method) all in from the same double boulder

[timber sandal]

But what about a melee punish boulder

[unborn girder]

i get a hit in if i got time, switch to chally, wait for first boulder to explode or like a tic before, run to other tile and a tic before it explodes i click boss and begin flicking almost instantly after 2nd boulder explodes, i think.

guess i got to record myself too to see. I know ive done it correctly with no damage taken or push into boss more than a few times

but that way you plant both boulders in correct spots, you keep moving so you dont get pushed by a boulder, and do your flicks

[unborn girder]

when you're getting pushed, is your first boulder still planted on the main "rock tile"?

Someone else can chime in though, I'm still in the "feeling it out" phase with like 80% success

almost cleared 11 though 😄

[timber sandal]

So baxically you have chally equipped. You wait for boulder to explode. First tick you move to tile with no rubble, second tick you click boss, third tick you start praying?

And just make sure that your run is ending you out of melee distance from boss?

I'd love to see footage of this if you have it

[tulip spade]

wait until 2nd boulder is about to break

so that you will be moving as it breaks

you are attacking too soon

[unborn girder]

yeah if you're getting pushed out, it sounds like you're standing still when 2nd boulder explodes

which is why it plants under you, and pushes you

[tulip spade]

yeah in general you need to just. not stand still as the 2nd boulder pops

[timber sandal]

OK so wait for first boulder to break. First tick move to a tile with no shadow, second tick move to a tile with shadow, third tick click boss, fourth tick start praying

[unborn girder]

"first tic" i click on my 2nd plant tile for blowpipe car

maybe sometimes it has rubble from 1st boulder which is why my 2nd boulder doesn't plant and I get screwed? still trying to figure that out

[tulip spade]

second tick isn't helping you here

[unborn girder]

Ill try to take some tomorrow, but im still a noob

[tulip spade]

stepping on a shadow only does anything if you then stay there until 2nd rocks have landed

[timber sandal]

Thank you

[timber sandal]

OK so maybe I wait for boulder to pop, click boss, once I hit boss instantly move to free tile and start praying? Not sure if I'll have enough time to get prayers off

[unborn girder]

I have a video but OBS screwed it up somehow.. so my mouse visually appears to be like 2 inches left of where it actually is lol

[tulip spade]

this is an option, but it is a bit rushed
you can entirely avoid having to move after hitting boss by clicking to attack on the tick before the 2nd boulder explodes (though this also requires you to be an even # of tiles away when you click to chally so that you don't drag into melee range)

[timber sandal]

So wait for first boulder to pop, move to free tile that's an even # of tiles away, wait a tick, click boss and start praying?

I'm just tryna get the timing down I appreciate the help

[tulip spade]

hmm

[unborn girder]

basically you start praying immediately after 2nd boulder explodes

[tulip spade]

I think this becomes good if you click boss a tick before first boulder pops

[unborn girder]

the flicking pattern is muscle memory imo

placing the double boulders where you want them is the hardest part imo

with a meele punish

and once you get the flick pattern down, you can click on the boss inbetween the first and second boulder flicks to keep up dps

[tulip spade]

yeah, to place the first double boulder you do need to do the thing i described here

[unborn girder]

and you pretty much have to know how to do this for a couple of the scenarios during the tree phase

basically flick first three prayers, click tree, flick final 2 prayers

[tulip spade]

but you can script the first double boulder with tile markers

might take a lil damage from falling rocks but it's nbd you won't get stalled or meleed

[unborn girder]

I've never done COLO before, how does wave 8 compare to completing COLO in difficulity?

I been spying on peoples highscores hanging out in front of the entrane to doom. Seen some maxed players with infernal cape with 0 deep delves

then I sawa guy like 95 combat lvl with bless d'hide and a dragon crossbow with 600 deep delve KC

[timber sandal]

Hmm as in yes? Lol

[tulip spade]

outside of first double boulder i think it's easiest to click to melee boss 1 tick before first boulder pops, that gives you plenty of time to dodge boulders and flick afterwards, and it's easy to get onto an even row while waiting for boulders to come

[tulip spade]

colo is waaaaaaay more complicated

[timber sandal]

I don't follow fuck, wish there was a recording

Fez if U hop in doom today U should record pls ty hehe

[unborn girder]

oh fr?

[tulip spade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMWS9U_bKhA&t=962s have you watched this?

specifically the timestamped section

[tulip spade]

yeah i've only done it on leagues so I can't make a proper difficulty comparison, but i can say doom is far more scripted than colo

there isn't a lot of "solving" to do at doom the way there is at colo and inferno

[timber sandal]

Yeah it doesn't show at all what I'm trying to figure out. I'll just go in blind tomorrow and see I guess

[unborn girder]

I think i got my OBS to work

Ill try to record something tomorrow

[timber sandal]

I'll try this

[timber sandal]

Thank u obi

[unborn girder]

is your problem just with the meele punish or sometimes getting ko'd by boulder flicking too?

What really helped me was focusing on thinking about "start flicking as soon as 2nd boulder explodes"

my original problem was I was going too early

and 2 boulder explode was turning off my prayer

[tulip spade]

I think what you want is what's at 17:57 in that video

[unborn girder]

and likewise if I dont think about it actively, sometimes Ill be way to late not realizing 2nd has just exploded

like during tree phase

[tulip spade]

i use the 2nd boulder explosion sound effect as my cue to start clicking prayers

anyway it's past my bedtime but i really like this boss goodbye

[timber sandal]

No, I'm much farther than he was from the boss

As I'm in the gnomonkey setup tile