Osto-Ayak (Doom of Mokhaiotl)

[viral cedar]

I might be cooked, I'll try to replicate and record

[verbal edge]

Pretty good, since you’ve done 5x as many regular delves as deep

[night zephyr]

@mild orchid

you have to dodge 1 or 2 tiles south for bp1, 1 tile west for bp2, and 2 tiles north for bp3.

But all are 1 click dodges

[mild orchid]

thanks beast

[night zephyr]

New scobo PB. had so much acid

[viral cedar]

scobo 🤝 acid

[keen rapids]

I'm not entirely convinced chally makes less acid than scythe

My hypothesis is that scythe is more splats but you get more big bonus hits and I don't think those make acid

Could the number of acid pools just scale based on damage dealt, like from 0 pools at 0 damage up to 3 or 4 pools?

[night zephyr]

my experience of using scobo spec spam and thralls tells me its hitsplats

the amount of acid I had cleared on wave 5 after spamming those was comical

would usually have 3 full solid blocks of acid

[night zephyr]

why did a rock landing on my character invalidate my mage prayer?

[keen rapids]

rocks are jank

[wise spire]

tried to convince someone why pushing deep is always better than claiming at 6 or 7 only to find out they only have like an hour of experience and only made it to w4

like bruh I'd rather not spend an extra 80+ hours of my life clicking the boss

[unborn girder]

Best to replace crystal armour pieces with the masori pieces I have right?

Since not getting individual or set bonus since using scobo not bowfa

[dense ginkgo]

right

or void

[unborn girder]

ah, guess id have to dps calc

Idk if 2/3 masori pieces beats full void

[dense ginkgo]

with scobo you want to use void

[unborn girder]

K

[dense ginkgo]

tbow is less accurate so it benefits more from Masori

[unborn girder]

ya i see

[dense ginkgo]

but even then void just always wins on car phase and grub phase

[unborn girder]

did elite void have much of a place before this content? chin training for CG and maybe couple other niche uses?

[dense ginkgo]

TOB

[night zephyr]

I delved deep a lot today with my little scobo and was not rewarded

moved my pb from 10 to 13 though

[weary garden]

Deep delves are a scam

I’ve gotten 3 unique all from wave 6

[night zephyr]

lol my cloth was 6 too

[main briar]

got 3 staves from 1-7 resets, then got a cloth from 6 once i started goin deep

[keen rapids]

you guys are getting uniques?

[wise spire]

inb4 jagex rates are wrong

[keen rapids]

my cloth was on wave 3

[wary oriole]

i got one cloth from 7 and one cloth + eye from 9+

[night zephyr]

Wiki team got that data yet for us to confirm?

[keen rapids]

💯

[worldly jungle]

Hey we’re buddies. My first unique too

[wary oriole]

i can personally confirm u dont get shit from low delves

[timber sandal]

Finally got synapse. Going delve tomorrow lfg. Budget ass gear but I'm sending it till green log

Gonna just go one wave at a time watching a quick guide before I hop in. Doesn't seem that difficult

Then again I only have seen up to wave 5 lol

In videos

[keen rapids]

‼️

[timber sandal]

Lol

Can't be that hard!

[keen rapids]

lets just say there's a big difficulty spike at 8

gl!

[timber sandal]

Makes sense. The question is if I'll even go to 8 or just reset at 7

Ty tho

[main briar]

reseting is trolling yourself

[timber sandal]

You're right. I'll never reset. I'll take on 8!!! And clear it!!!

[timber sandal]

Sorry u trolled yourself.

[signal cipher]

you okay bud

[timber sandal]

Im just hearing trying not to troll myself! I'm tryna learn from the greats!

[signal cipher]

[timber sandal]

Let's goooo!!! Delve tkmorrow!!!

I've been dreaming of. This moment fr

Ever since drop rates were released I've been skipping for TDs

1k kills later and we got first synapse

Time to grind delve baby!!!

Let's fuckin gooooo

[civic surge]

Doom's my favorite content released since I started playing.

Enjoy it.

Great boss.

[timber sandal]

Thank you Malik I'm stoked

Gonna grind till green log

25k rune arrows hope they're enough. Don't wanna touch my dragon arrows

[signal cipher]

anyone got a good clip of how to maximize bp hits on 8+?

it’s fine if it’s assuming no acid or whatever

feels really awkward doing it on feel only

[dense ginkgo]

I really like radius markers for it

makes it really easy to eyeball when you can bp from behind a rock

exact movement is going to depend on what rock strategy you're using

[signal cipher]

ah that’s a good idea

thanks

[signal cipher]

i’m not doing anything consistently rn

[mild orchid]

i have been using these tiles for bp, usually just wing it on 3rd car charge tho

[signal cipher]

been trying to find one i’m most comfortable with

[elfin dove]

I’ve been using the tiles that widega uses as bp tiles over the sidewalk and it gives me pretty much 100% uptime past 8 since I usually get enough boulders to place everything and all 3 rocks are in bp distance/easy to bp walk to after dodging car

[arctic niche]

thinking of trying to learn that more modern rock block tech as well

have a uim friend that got to wave 22 with rune arrows and scobo using it

ahh nvm was 17 but still crazy

[dense ginkgo]

Good news everyone, even though you can claim loot remotely you still can't if you get stuck behind a wall

[nova solstice]

LOL

[opal lark]

Do you place a second set of rocks anywhere specific or just roll with the first two from car park?

[buoyant rose]

were 1-7 spammers right all along

jagex rates fake

my new favourite conspiracy theory

[nova solstice]

Doom of reddit

[nova solstice]

ok u might be cookin something, cloth wave 2 eye wave 6 nothing ever in 8+ in 400 deep

Pb 27 atm surely 30 barrier broken tommorow

[timber sandal]

thoughts on inven/gear for learning?

[night zephyr]

Can swap d'hide boots for prims.

Use amethyst arrows if you have them. And use a divine ranged.

Also swap your antiode for your best antivenom you can make.

And you are missing BOTD if you plan on using thralls

[sterile spruce]

Could probably camp b ring if ur only spec is gonna be c hally

[night zephyr]

Nah just the first two for car park. If I get the chance I try to place another that it won't be destroyed by the 2nd stomp, but I usually don't/don't have enough mental capacity to focus on placing another.

[night zephyr]

Oh yeah, if you have blowpipe bring it

[timber sandal]

thanks for tips. i brought botd. dont have prims, will use divine ranged. will swap for antivenom. dont have ammy arrows just darrows will use them once i figure out the boss

no BP

i feel like i need the true tile for the lil spawns and the boss

is there a guide on getting runelite up to code

[opal lark]

Wiki strategies page has most useful plugin info at the bottom

You can also drop the farming cape and use botd to bank at shayzien after planking/collecting

[wanton skiff]

Whats the over/under on thralls? Seems kinda meh and its 2 inv spots (book and runes)

[nimble crest]

thrall dps good but issue is that it just throws acid all over the place

only really an issue for deep delves tho

[night zephyr]

It quickly becomes an issue for scoboers too. I had tons of acid even at 13 without using thralls. I say keep them for learning 1-8, but bin them when you start going past there.

Just don't summon them pre 75% HP after wave 6

[civic surge]

I like to summon thralls near the start of shield phase. That way they are gone or near gone by the end of the car phase.

And I use thralls indiscriminately wave 1-5. I find it well worth using.

If anything, I appreciate more practice dodging acid wave 1-5 before it's hard.

[timber sandal]

im getting cooked lol

its hard

but im getting better

can now clear three

four havent cleared yet

[civic surge]

I like how you can see skill develop linearly in this boss. It is motivating to get further and further gradually

[timber sandal]

v true

easier to get demotivated in other bosses for sure

gonna try and clear four

lfg

[night zephyr]

It's got a very satisfying learning curve.

[timber sandal]

just cleared four for first time

sheesh

[night zephyr]

I'll try and take a vid tonight.

[signal cipher]

that would be cool

[dense ginkgo]

For starting out use one divine ranged pot, 3 restores, 0 brews, and a fuckton of hard food

No need for brews until the first time you run out of food

[timber sandal]

thank you gray. im doing that now cause i fuckin suck

[timber sandal]

keep dying on five. fuck this

the orb phase

[dense ginkgo]

Yeah it's hard, just need to practice

[haughty panther]

u gotta kinda accept that it's just really annoying and you won't get much better at it until it clicks

super frustrating mechanic

[dense ginkgo]

I like it

[timber sandal]

how long it take you?

[haughty panther]

I'm at slightly under 400 delves & I'm just about managing to get through delve 7 now

[timber sandal]

so it does get easier over time

lol

[signal cipher]

everything does

[timber sandal]

i just want there to be light at the end of the tunnel

you're right

[signal cipher]

hang in there boss

[timber sandal]

thank you king

[granite turret]

took me to 700 before I could do 8 consistently, double boulders and orb felt really jank until it clicked

[scarlet vine]

Same, about 700 delves for me to get on the hiscores. Sent almost every run without loot

[granite turret]

no claims, only send 🤝

[scarlet vine]

Big thing with the orb, for me, was timing when to proc it

[signal cipher]

im just starting to get through 8 consistently after about 200 delves

[dense ginkgo]

for me it was killing the first tree early no matter what

[signal cipher]

biggest thing for me was the starting to move when orb starts descending

and not when it explodes

[granite turret]

yeah, I was always moving 1t too late and putting prayer up 1t too early

[signal cipher]

one thing i wish earlier levels included was the inability to pray early

like a consistent prayer disable window between 1 and 2

[granite turret]

yeah the timing on lower levels is actually detrimental to learning

[signal cipher]

you have so many ticks to pray anyway its not like anyone needs that first tick to turn it on

and it just builds bad muscle memory that you gotta fix later

im now* forcing myself to never pray early during that 2nd disable tick

[civic surge]

I agree orb timing was the biggest learning curve.

For me I started reacting to if I get a rock first or second attack, I wait to process the rocks. If mokha does 2 autos before rocks, I kill the tree as the rocks are in the air and ctrl move before praying.

I think all the guides saying "shoot mokha 3 times before hitting tree" is slightly misleading

Since it ignores the fact that you need to pray 6 times which takes a lot of time

Especially considering how on early waves you can just walk wherever in the orb and it's fine

Compared to deeper waves where it is critical to be centered right behind the orb to avoid acid, which takes additional attention/accuracy

[timber sandal]

finally did wave five

had to do two orb phases cause my dps was so ass

[timber sandal]

this is incredibly helpful advice

[granite turret]

just scobo things

I think I've only had 2 free acid clears by killing pre orb

[burnt lichen]

https://www.twitch.tv/widega_?twitch5=0

new setup to retake record

[granite turret]

yep been watching on the side

actually insane

[nova solstice]

Some ppl are crazy man

[signal cipher]

i guess before long rec will just be what you can do in 6 hours

or is this already a 6h setup?

[haughty panther]

that does appear to be 6 hours worth of divine pots

[granite turret]

he has divines for 6h

and he relogs before entering

[worldly jungle]

+1 to previous advice. I also found combo worth bringing and rarely used 3 brews learning. Your mileage may vary but I was more often dead or just needed to eat a single food to safe up.

[haughty panther]

are brews bad or smth why are ppl not bringing that many anymore

is it just cuz supply drain?

[dense ginkgo]

inventory space for more divines

if you have enough divines for your entire run then brews are good

[mighty rain]

i usually get to w15 now with only sharks

dont wanna waste my hard earned brews

(im out of brews)

[compact shuttle]

No brews seems like a rec thing and not a normal thing

[haughty panther]

I just bring 2 ranging pots and pot up every wave from 5 onwards atm

[night zephyr]

I've gotta perfect my mistakes during 8+ or use blowpipe better. I'm often sipping a whole brew to recover acid/rock damage/off prayer orb hits on the later waves

[haughty panther]

there's a lot of runs where I go through 6+ atm lmao

[night zephyr]

Bringing 10 brews each run still. But on my last PB 14 death I think I died with 4 full brews left.

Maybe I drop like 4-5 brews for mantas/sharks

I may stop blowpipe speccing on car and just saving it for start of tree phase too

Unless I'm already 100 going into car

[granite turret]

I bring 10 brews yeah, only when learning did I run hard food and ppots

[main briar]

Not taking brews sounds bad. Don't think that's a thing other than rec attempts

[arctic niche]

i think having some combo eats can be helpful but doing it because of being stingy on brews seems rough imo

[granite turret]

every time I die there's no way I'm out eating the mistakes I make lmao

[civic surge]

I bring 4 hard food. My run is over when I make a big enough mistake that I have to eat my hard food to survive.

When I stop making catastrophic errors, maybe I'll switch things around.

[night zephyr]

With the state of oathplate and the rest of my gear/goals, I don't see myself doing nex for awhile, so I don't mind using brews here especially since it should speed up the grind a good amount.

[arctic niche]

alot of my dmg comes from slam during car or during orbs these days or getting hit by car

[night zephyr]

I gotta get better at dodging the 2nd boulder debris, that's often -20 at least twice per wave 8+

[whole escarp]

How many p necks you guys bringing tho

[night zephyr]

People bring p necks?

[whole escarp]

I think its great for learning W8. Saved me so many times and its inventory efficient Vs a shark. Just throw it on during 2x boulder and orb phase till your confident

[civic surge]

I think taking Anguish off is trolling.

[whole escarp]

Scobo void amethyst arrows its 1 max hit in exchange for being alive. You put anguish back on after rocks..

If your new your probably not even getting dps during rocks anyway

[civic surge]

If that's what it takes.

[mild orchid]

I think dying is trolling

[whole escarp]

Heals you for 29 without food delay plus you can also combo eat.

Dying is hella troll

[stiff coral]

What's the best guide for learning this content?

[whole escarp]

I recommend basically any YT video to get the basic gist of it, then get a super low cost death fee setup and throw yourself at it.

[stiff coral]

Ok ty

[mild orchid]

this is what i got linked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMWS9U_bKhA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCnp9qSyjAA

[whole escarp]

Pecanbreads guide is reccomended alot. He is a big gamer, maybe you wana review that once you get your feet wet.

Alot of the content creators focus on wave 6+ or 8+ and when your new you just need to build muscle memory on waves 1-5

[stiff coral]

Alright perfect, I think I used pecanbread's guide for Colo so I'll start there and then go in and die a bunch

[north axle]

Pneck seems quite ass

With how damage queues tbh

You die to a 60 hit and won't null on a proc

[whole escarp]

It doesent always proc but it forsure saves your ass sometiems when learning. Not recommended long term, but its not terrible as it heals more than any hard food. Ide recommend it to anyone struggling on 8

[granite turret]

well fuck, I'm done lmao
all 3 uniques today https://i.imgur.com/NmacJu8.png

[mild orchid]

[granite turret]

https://i.imgur.com/AnJyCVX.png dupe cloth on 4, eye was 11 or 12

[mild orchid]

yea i dont think ur done

[granite turret]

me and the roots bro, 30 hours

[mild orchid]

[night zephyr]

Damn I set myself up for roots today and forgot to login and afk it.

[arctic niche]

thats why im kinda glad i did some of the wave 1-7 resets before banked all the tears i needed right away nearly

[night zephyr]

I WFH so it's not that big a deal for me to afk the tears. I just gotta remember to do it lol. It's legit the most afk thing in the game (without cheating)

[burnt lichen]

what is this plugin that widega is using?

[tribal igloo]

Probably Demonic Larva Tracker

[whole escarp]

Makes the grubs disappear faster than normal entity hider

[burnt lichen]

so thats how many larva have gone into the boss

what's that mechanic exactly? it's permanently remembered the whole time and u take more dmg/boss heals more?

[plucky turret]

not sure about the healing but the damage starts at 1 and increases by 1 for each grub let through

yes its for the entire delve

[tribal igloo]

Enhanced client has an overlay for it. I added it to core runelite but it hasn't been approved yet. But it is in the plugin

[summer mica]

pretty new to doom. for orb phase, is there a boulder attack everytime just before the orb pops? i tend to get stacked out there. what is the best way to handle it?

I was waiting for boulder to appear, then click final volatile earth. then click 2 tiles or so within start of route, then flick prayers and try and stay within orb. but was struggling

[night zephyr]

@signal cipher
https://youtu.be/GBfEjpnzPI0

Skip to 0:30, CBA to edit the videos down.
This is wave 7 but shows good example of upkeeping blowpipe DPS. Will upload a slightly different wave 8 shortly.

https://youtu.be/ixZQBC3MyVo

Wave 8 example (Skip to 0:55)

First run of the day so kinda scuffed but the blowpipe car phases are pretty clean

Sometimes you dont get humble rocks of course I usually switch to scobo while running to 3rd rock if its out of range of boss

[signal cipher]

that’s great thank you

[night zephyr]

You get a feel for when you can run away on the same tick eye spawns to get out of the way

vs when you have to see it spawn first to not lose ticks

[granite turret]

not every time no, but on the really tough solves finding a long line, ctrl click to walk within orb so you can flick is the "easiest" way imo
sometimes you just gotta have really good clicks to handle it, esp with a lot of acid

[signal cipher]

thanks this feels a lot better

[night zephyr]

Glad I could help. I've learned to use tiles around the bp ones I set, but you can't stray too far without messing up the lure

Just good to know your options when acid is everywhere

[wise spire]

seems good, how consistent is it to get rocks that close together?

I'm finding garage tech always has third rock way off in narnia

[night zephyr]

I feel like 50% of the time I have a rock in blowpipe distance, 25% have to swap to scobo but don't lose ticks, and 25% im running to Narnia.

I've started trying to look early if I will have to run to Narnia because you can usually tell

[keen rapids]

pb

[main briar]

Burning all my extended antivenoms, do i just go sit at arraxytes for a bit lol?

[keen rapids]

same...wondering if it's a sanfew angle

[nova solstice]

I mean if ur not going like 25+ i feel like one antivenom reg does the job no

Cus i think i never rly sip my 2nd dose til way past 20

[acoustic oak]

3/3, will prolly pot fun runs for pet after a short break

[main briar]

yeah i might just do reg antis, got loads of scales/reg antis

[north axle]

I was gonna say I feel like this should be default on base Runelite

[timber sandal]

just cleared wave 6 first try

lfg

taking a break helps guys

if u keep running your head against it, u get mega tilted

take some time off then jump back in

wow

what a life

tomorrow ill go for 7

happy night

gn

[night zephyr]

I wish I kept track of how many wave 7 resets I did so that I could see my actual wave 8 success rate.

[timber sandal]

I ran two more runs before logging off and died both times early waves lmao. I'm tired

This boss punishes tf out of you

You gotta be locked tf in

[nova solstice]

5 is my bane of existence sometimes

Ill just log off dying that early for a bit

[worldly jungle]

No zcb, do I bring lightbearer and/or venator ring now that I have treads? 2 maxes with tbow amethyst and 1 max with dragon darts

I'm willing to switch to d arrows for 8+, venator doesn't give max hits there.

[vagrant trout]

if you're just using chally double dc is plenty in my experience, i camp venny

[worldly jungle]

Had been using scythe and ralos to speed up waves 1-5. Usually claiming by wave 12 so speed up on 50% seemed worth.

[acoustic oak]

i just brought darrows

u dotn use that many

i used 20 arrows for 1-10 and claimed the clog

20 or 25 something like that

[vagrant trout]

green logged

i got the shitty non animated glow hole too smh

[nova solstice]

is there like a goodd middle ground on when to claim shards?

like when they start becoming diminishing

[dense ginkgo]

Never

To both questions

[nova solstice]

well

see thats what i was doing, delving ddeep for uniques but now i made my boots and gloves but aint got jackshit for the staff

[dense ginkgo]

Depends on personal success rate on each floor then ig

[proven owl]

i think people are afking the staff charges lol but also just using runes is prob most efficient

[nova solstice]

i assume u get max rates of shards at a certain wave

[dense ginkgo]

Yeah it's cheaper per hour to fire than Shadow by a good bit

(with runes)

[nova solstice]

oh wait u can use runes?

wait okay cool

[dense ginkgo]

8 onwards yes

[dense ginkgo]

Yeah just can't mix and match

[nova solstice]

l0l 2 deaths and a chaos

thats ez game ty

gonna save a shitton of gp at pnm lol

[dense ginkgo]

It is 3t so it uses charges fast

[nova solstice]

true but i have like a billion deathrunes

from 99 rc

[dense ginkgo]

But even per hour it's fine

[proven owl]

also make sure to keep staff in invent while delving for 10-20 tears/delve

does up death cost by a decent chunk if ur coffer is fucked tho

[dense ginkgo]

It sounds like they have 3/3 uniques

[proven owl]

oh he was asking about when to claim tho

[dense ginkgo]

Yeah he didn't know you could use runes to charge the Eye

[nova solstice]

yeah but i didnt realize u can charge it with runes

i got the uniques done

[proven owl]

ah u wanted to do post green log delve lol

[nova solstice]

ye just for charges loll

well not pet but ye not in a rush rn

[proven owl]

ye just use runes or afk chop if u have no other afk

[nova solstice]

finally got something deep btw

got boots on 21

[proven owl]

huge

[dense ginkgo]

@quartz thistle gotta go to 21

[summer mica]

Is there a way to avoid shield phase > car > shield phase? I seem to remember hearing a way to get better odds on a melee punish post car phase but cant remember how

[stuck cape]

do we have any idea how the eye special attack works with confliction gauntlets passive?

[lone carbon]

its been changed in todays update so after car phase the boss will do 2 attacks and then go into next shield phase

so just rng on if those 2 attacks end up being a melee punish if I understand it correctly

[night zephyr]

That's been like that for the last week

[summer mica]

okay good to know. i have only done a few 1-7 waves and never had the melee punish after car phase

[burnt lichen]

where are the CAs

[night zephyr]

They undercooked Yama CAs. Would rather they wait a bit.

[lone carbon]

Get to delve level 90 melee only

[proven owl]

surely at least wave 20 or 30 for gm

[acoustic oak]

I think 12

[granite turret]

I know I'm bad but 20 seems high

[acoustic oak]

Gm cas aren’t meant to be actually challenging in 2025

Even Yama was one contact, not full radiant

Nox said in widegas chat he wanted 15

[granite turret]

15 seems fine

[weary garden]

I’m a biased scobow user, but 15 seems like a good spot
It’ll take a decent amount of acid rng for most and can be done if you’re pretty skilled

[granite turret]

Yeah that's my thought, it's still pretty hard to get good acid clears with scobo
Whereas tbow+zcb you're getting free long lines pretty frequently

[acoustic oak]

They don’t need to balance it around scobo regardless

[granite turret]

I do think if it's 20+ you're very much into tbow/zcb territory

[acoustic oak]

That’s fine too

I think zcb matters less for pushing

[granite turret]

It's just all about killing right before earth spawns

[acoustic oak]

Earth isn’t bad tho

With practice 8+ earth is more benefit than harm

If boss is low I’ll wait for orb phase

[granite turret]

You never get the full duration of orb is all I mean

[acoustic oak]

To kill

[night zephyr]

As a humble scoboer I feel like 15 would be fair.

[weary garden]

It’s not, the problem is the amount of acid and the ability to clear it lol

[acoustic oak]

Balancing a grandmaster combat achievement to be a lot easier with max vs not is not a crazy thing to do

[granite turret]

If you kill right before earth spawns you get a lot of time to think and clear good lines

And zcb is making that more consistent

[acoustic oak]

Idk I think acgs/bp might be better if ur experienced with the boss

[night zephyr]

15 makes it fairly easy for ZCB/tbowers, but a good challenge for scoboers.

[acoustic oak]

Than zcb, I think I might bin zcb when I go back

[granite turret]

I can count on my hands the number of times I get a free orb clear with pipe and ddarts

[acoustic oak]

I mean u don’t need a free orb phase

Just off the boss

[granite turret]

You do for acid clear

[acoustic oak]

He won’t generate more hit splats if u don’t hit him, and orb still clears acid done normally

[night zephyr]

a melee only 8 clear would be pretty cool

[acoustic oak]

If ur not hitting the boss u can linger one tile behind and clear whatever acid u want

[granite turret]

It clears maybe half the tiles

[acoustic oak]

Like I know it’s an extrem example, but widega was clearing acid without consistent Free orb phase

Ya he has bow but still

[granite turret]

And if you don't hit you're also risking second car+ orb with scobo

[acoustic oak]

And 20 isn’t 100+

I don’t think they should balance around scobo tldr lol

[weary garden]

Maybe im just being a whiner, but the difference in acid placed with tbow vs scobow is pretty extreme

[granite turret]

Yeah I mean if they don't want to that's fine

[acoustic oak]

Tbow is like 11% better on paper or what

It’s just in practice stinky

[weary garden]

14% if I’m remembering right

[granite turret]

I just think of it's supposed to be an indicator of skill 15 is fine

So many ppl can't clear 8 so

[acoustic oak]

I think the cas are still gonna be easy

Cuz they tend to be

[granite turret]

Yeah they have been lenient recently

[night zephyr]

It's not just that tbow is 11 or 14% better.

It's also less accurate and 5 tick, so the amount of acid difference is huge.

[granite turret]

on my 14 clear my entire screen was acid, no thralls

[weary garden]

Same lol

[nimble crest]

yeah this is hella an issue

people will get mad if its just gear check but good gear inherently makes challenge cas easier

[night zephyr]

I mean as a tbower how much more difficult is 15 than 20? I feel like to actually challenge tbowers/ZCBers they've have to pump it to 30 or something. Which would be kinda crazy.

[granite turret]

Yeah there's a lot of speeds that get trivialized megas but you gotta do a ton of tech for to clear w/o

Whisp comes to mind

[nimble crest]

half the tech being wasting your time w/ruby resets

[granite turret]

Vw double venge was more my thoughts but yeah lmao

[main briar]

Insert always has been meme.

Tbh it's harder to finish gm now than it was on release

Elite and masters got Giga powercrept by the points update but gm is not easier

[nimble crest]

theres just so many damn cas

[proven owl]

thralls aren't in gm anymore so surely they actually make the cas challenging now instead

and having 20-30 as a ca wouldnt really rely on acid rng at all

u could just wait for 4x boulders

like ppl do for the 100+ runs

[main briar]

Don't see how those two relate

[granite turret]

Probably that was one of the bigger incentives for gm? Idk

[signal cipher]

removing tangible ca benefits from gm gives jagex more flexibility to push difficulty

i dont think thats a complicated take

people argued against non-cosmetic gm perks for a long time because they thought it would let jagex make harder tasks

[main briar]

Think the answer to that is a new tier. Or move all the perks to master (which sounds dumb)

[night zephyr]

They gonna kill at least one GM hardcore if the delve task is above 20

And I'm all for it

[granite turret]

Grand grandmaster

[timber sandal]

just did wave 7 first try lfgggg

and i thought wave 5 was super hard yesterday lol

[unborn girder]

Looks like jagex is happy with doom where it’s at

[acoustic oak]

I don’t even think gear check cas are a bad thing

If u wanna be a “grandmaster” you gotta have some gear

Mains can just buy sell back

If ur an iron that’s a you issue tbh

People complain about whisperer time no shadow but like

Idk it’s a self imposed restriction

[celest robin]

Preach

I'm not a huge fan of specific gear reqs (eg dragonbane Huey) but balancing tasks around max gear is clearly reasonable

[acoustic oak]

Colo time is a good example; my friend got it with fang/trident/Bofa with good play, but a guy in max can have a bong in each hand and clear it

So it’s kinda tough to balance lol

[granite turret]

yep I got it with the same

Speeds are definitely the worst for this, if you're gonna go that route actually make it hard with max, even if it's impossible without

[lone carbon]

I prefer perfection style tasks over speed anyday

then again there's various speed tactics like vengeance that would fail a perfection task so

[dense ginkgo]

Clear 1-10 without letting a single grub in or stepping on acid, enjoy

[granite turret]

actually would prefer that over a 20 clear lol

[dense ginkgo]

Do people ever Hally a melee grub in acid

[granite turret]

I step under to hit

[dense ginkgo]

I was thinking of the logistics of this and you could 2-shot it right

[granite turret]

rarely do I need to do hally for em

[dense ginkgo]

I usually just tank the acid but I haven't gotten deep enough for that to be that common yet

But yeah step under sounds good

[proven owl]

no real reward for normal players comes from gm so jagex can justify gatekeeping it easier

[main briar]

Just add another tier if you want it to be hard, as opposed to everything pre-change being easy and then randomly adding hard tasks to new bosses

[proven owl]

i mean i wouldnt complain if they did that either but i think itd make more sense to make new difficult cas personally

a lot less work

[cinder notch]

Is there a quick guide on how to mark the orb like gnome monkey's video at Doom? The Wiki Strategy section has this part missing!

[dense ginkgo]

Same way as Leviathan

Radius marker

You want it to be 3x3 though

ID here

[cinder notch]

Ty sir

[main briar]

Just let the inferno Andy's pot in peace without making them do wave 50 doom or whatever cancer lol

And the nex enthusiasts

[dense ginkgo]

GWD pet hunters

[nova solstice]

Yea theres no waythey make u push like 30 or itd be the hardest ca in the game so far probably

Im guessing like 15 is gm level imo

[main escarp]

@night zephyr my fellow scobow boi

any luck this weekend

[keen rapids]

Been waiting for doom CAs so I can pull out the darrows and really push for depth

[acoustic oak]

Darrows are nice if u have max treads

86 bow is gross

[keen rapids]

Been waiting for doom to give me treads

Or anything besides cloth

[main briar]

Get boots last so you don't feel bad using amethyst arrows for all your kc

[acoustic oak]

Boots were my first so I struggled internally on what I should use

[night zephyr]

I got gloves this past Saturday on wave 6. New PB of 13 clear though! Aiming for 15 to feel like a good gamer

[main briar]

I'm also down like 10k arrows so I don't think I'd want to drag arrow anyways

[main escarp]

My karambwans have gotten me to 12 a few times

I feel like i should bring brews

but my fish are strong

my prayer pots are strong

[acoustic oak]

I used 20-25 arrows for a 1-10 claim on the drop, I think most my arrow usage was day 1-3 when it was bugged

At least I think it was bugged, I was learning w pink arrows anyway

I can’t imagine it’s a lot of arrows, and you get 5 max hits it’s nuts

[night zephyr]

Karambwan 12 is kinda beast lol. I've been using brews still but it's like sometimes I have all 10 at wave 8 sometimes I've used 5 by wave 11

[main escarp]

Yeah it was giga luck the few times its happened i think

scobow and blowpipe just went ham

[nova solstice]

i lowkey might try some demonics for my dupe cloth

last time i did demonics was with uberscuffed msb and arclight

might be kinda fun with max

[night zephyr]

I'd actually be willing to do demonics for dupe cloths if you didn't also have to sack 10k tears.

7.5m of iron gp and 5 hours of active iron time + pot usage is not worth 100m main gp to me.

[nova solstice]

wait true i fucking forgot about the tears..

[night zephyr]

Actually the most anti-iron dupe in the game.

[main escarp]

Do not turn it into tears

[nova solstice]

they really need to stop this untradeable craft this bullshit cause were afraid irons are crashing the economy shit

[main escarp]

10k tears is the worst trade deal in all of the history of trade deals

[nova solstice]

atleast let us cofferf

[main escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/worstdealever-gif-23135064

[signal cipher]

i think its pretty normal for them to try and restrict irons dumping dupes into the economy

[night zephyr]

Wait you can turn dupe cloths into 10k tears?

[wary oriole]

Ive gotten to 20 twice with scobo

[signal cipher]

having players contribute pvm drops to the economy but not participate on the supply consumption side at all isnt ideal

[night zephyr]

I thought that was just the eye

[wary oriole]

I dont think zcb is even that important after the most revent changes

I get a skip almost every time with bp

[night zephyr]

Wiki doesn't mention that you can turn cloth into 10k tears. I think that's just eye?

[main escarp]

Yeah its just eye

[night zephyr]

I would totally turn dupe cloths into 10k tears. Eyes make sense to drop trade though cause that's immediately tradable

[main escarp]

Still a scam

[nova solstice]

same lol

[nova solstice]

i mean its not like irons are flooding the eco but like i said id much prefer to be able to coffer atleast

most people will just get 1 dupe

if that

[night zephyr]

Either let us coffer or turn it into some kind of consumable at a terrible rate that only irons would do it

[nova solstice]

not to mention the entry you have to go thru to even be able to contribute

compared to mains

[tulip spade]

it is a small sacrifice for how much easier jagex has made the game for irons over the years xd

[night zephyr]

Dupe arraxytes fangs could turn into 2k venom sacks or something like that.

[signal cipher]

im not sure what those things have to do with eachother

[tulip spade]

just joking that it's a very mild inconvenience

[signal cipher]

i mean they probably are?

maybe not delve specifically rn

but irons are a large % of the end game player base

how many prayer scrolls fangs avernics etc have irons put into the economy

tens of thousands?

with no supplies consumed

[tulip spade]

i don't think such things are specifically targeted against irons anyway, it just doesn't make sense to have attach items floating around the economy, they are little more than bait for GE manipulation

[signal cipher]

i also prefer the untradable upgrade to avoid stuff like 50k peg crystal

[tulip spade]

well peg crystal would still be worthless if it wasn't tradeable

[signal cipher]

yeah im saying i think an untradable peg crystal drop would be better than a 50k one imo

[tulip spade]

idk what the difference would be

[nova solstice]

didnt they say that when they made dt2 rings?

that it was a circumvention for irons

and its been like almost every update after that

[tulip spade]

no clue

stuff where you need multiple untradeable pieces is a different case

i'm just talking about attachscape items

[nova solstice]

do you think the supplies that never hit the economy cause irons will keep it to themselves compensate in a way?

i dont even wanna think how many supplies i wouldve flooded the game with if i was a main

cause you just buy your pots and sell ur seconds

[night zephyr]

Peg crystal is worthless cause it was never a meaningful upgrade. If they change base treads to +1 ranged strength and pegs to +2, we'd see it increase in price.

[tulip spade]

i don't think that's true at all

[night zephyr]

They had every opportunity to fix that with the addition of treads but chose to ignore it

[tulip spade]

rangers were never a meaningful upgrade either, yet they were 30m

[nova solstice]

i mean rangers are already 40m

it would go up but not much

[tulip spade]

the fundamental problem with peg is simply that it's easier to get than rangers

and does nothing without being attached to rangers

which means there will forever be an oversupply of pegs in the economy that can never sell no matter how low the price goes because nobody has rangers to attach them to

[night zephyr]

That's fair

They still should have fixed pegs being useless though.

Makes no sense that base treads are just better than pegs in every way

[nova solstice]

yeah i have no idea why prims were the only meaningful boots for so long

even eternals deserved something

[idle fog]

Make the crystal a 3m alch like the ward or justi

[tulip spade]

not only easier to get but also drops from content that is constantly farmed by many players for prim

[idle fog]

Ez lol

[tulip spade]

while barely anyone does med clues

anyway, off topic

[signal cipher]

i mean it certainly does to some extent

but i don’t think irons are irrelevant to the economy

in that i don’t think our overall impact on the economy is the same as if we didn’t exist

so i don’t think it’s unfair for jagex to take that into account with how they design drop tables

[nova solstice]

yeah defo not irrelevant i agree just feels like they act like they are this pest that have ruined the economy with the latest updates

but i guess we have had "free-roam" for years til now so

makes sense

widega is on 107 btw

[summer mica]

camp zerker (using chally for melee punish and only spec weapon) over suffering for defence/prayer bonuses? no lb

gearscape has average chally spec going from 85 to 90, but not sure how much the def/prayer bonus matters at doom

[granite turret]

Zerker for sure, getting through the early stages quicker is good

Feels like you also get a lot more melee punish on earlier waves

[granite turret]

This seems crazy to me cuz no tick loss pipe with ddarts and I don't get this, but if you're clearing to 20 guess it's just skill issue

[dense ginkgo]

I don't think the supplies thing is a massive deal since they generally don't put the resources dropped from PVM back into the economy either

Probably makes a bigger difference when the resource has to be target farmed, like if every iron was a main eternal teleport crystals would be worth more

Gap between regular potions and divines would be higher

[keen rapids]

widega is on floor 127 and shows no sign of stopping

first grubs let in on floor 124

[granite turret]

[nova solstice]

Bro has 2 cloths 2 pers

Pets

Hes going for greenlog in 6hrs

[keen rapids]

"surely a jmod can extend the logout timer for you" "no please i wanna log out"

[burnt lichen]

boys

if he gets to 6 hour log is this gunna be perm rec cuz nobody else can be asked ?

[night zephyr]

There's someone else that has been trading blows in the 100s

They surely have the capability to go for it

[idle fog]

Reminds me of people trying to break records for highest rounds on COD zombie maps. There's a certain point where the game just crashes after its been running for so long

then the record becomes a speedrun

[burnt lichen]

there's already a speedrun aspect here

because of the divines and waiting around inbetween waves

if he's ever waiting around that's bad

he's slightly conscious of that aspect, but not really caring

the eldritch use case goes crazy

[keen rapids]

wait he's wearing masori

[idle fog]

I haven't been watching any of these deep run records. But if people are going towards the 6 hour log, the speed aspect will become more important

[keen rapids]

i thought void was better in deep delves?

[keen rapids]

literally was just saying in another disc that wr chasers are gonna be hoping not to get loot cause of the warning you get every time you want to proceed

maybe masori because it's more important to be consistent at the phases besides the ferrarri

[vagrant trout]

he said masori for the higher accuracy for getting the flowers to clear acid consistently

[burnt lichen]

yea and he doesn't need the dps because he's often waiting

so it's just better to be more accurate to hit when he wants to

[vagrant trout]

first brew sip on 154 💀

[north axle]

He's milking and he wants ko on the specific hit where the orb bugs and you can summon it after delve is dead

[keen rapids]

figured something like that

[night zephyr]

The mad man is about to get 6 houred

[granite turret]

181 final count

He got 2 pets but it only gave him one

[keen rapids]

another pb

widega says he's done delving

[granite turret]

He'll be on next to push for 200

[celest robin]

[wise spire]

it's nice how once 8 clicks, it fucking clicks

went from getting straight demolished by boulders and car to having no problem executing orb

[south vine]

my account is genuinely cursed

[nova solstice]

my only fucking probleem to this day is earth trees

i either monkey proc them early, forget about them proc them late

or completely misclick

and fucking doom the run

[night zephyr]

When did it click for you? I'm at 50 deep delves now and I still get turtle stomped a good amount. Feels like it takes me an hour to really get into the boss and start going deep towards PBs

[dense ginkgo]

I was having trouble until I was able to re-click during the fourth hit of double boulders

being able to proc the near tree then instead of after the second boulder was a game changer

(also proccing the far tree veeeeery early on)

[night zephyr]

I've been starting to proc the orb a lot earlier. With the sidewalk tech/putting him in the middle /wall you get such a long path guaranteed every time that you have plenty of runway to do it and be ready for boulders. I like it much better

More of my 8 deaths are from being dumb pre 75% at this point I think

[main briar]

I keep missing one of the first set of flicks during melee punish every fuckin time

[tawny kelp]

Is sidewalk really that good? I'm at the point where I'm mechanic locked to 8+, as I just finished a 1-7 only using 2 restores, but died to second set of boulders because I was thinking really hard about where to place them lol

[main briar]

I mean the whole point is that you don't think about it, it's the same shit every time

[weary garden]

2 boots and 2 eyes. Got a 15 PB though!

surely cloth next so i can leave

[tawny kelp]

Are the pink tiles in the sidewalk vid any different than the white ones? Other than how it affects your chally path?

oh no

[vagrant trout]

what the 💀

URL from hell

[arctic niche]

starting to get hang of sidewalk tech now wave 14 with scobo done

[summer mica]

Is it normally for scobowers to go through 2 car phases in 8+?

I am doing stalling pre 75% to set up 2 boulders, do sidewalk tech, but my DPS 90% of the time is not enough to kill and then I need to do another car phase and I hope I get lucky with the rock placement

I don't have BP or knives so I am still using scobo during car phase

[wary oriole]

only if i get really bad dps or more likely i had to brew or lose a bunch of ticks in the first car phase

[summer mica]

Okay might just be skill issue

[arctic niche]

2nd entire car phase seems like alot of ticks lost

but partial second is pretty practical with scobo u definitely need to learn double orb during slam due to dps issues

[summer mica]

Sorry I don't go through full second car phase, definitely partial. Just annoying time loss when you get it down to 1hp and then need to do full shield phase to fire off one arrow once it turns into a car

Any video on double orb? Haven't heard of it

[worldly jungle]

Starting wave 8 you get double rocks/orbs that split into 3 attacks each. You often have to deal with that and shoot trees to deploy and follow the yellow orb protecting from the slam.

[summer mica]

yeah i know the double rocks; i thought he meant there was a way to go shield phase > car phase > orb phase > orb phase (get kill). As currently most of the time i am going shield phase > car phase > orb phase > shield phase > car phase (get kill)

[worldly jungle]

Ah yeah, choose to hit big numbers.

[wise spire]

I'm a poor scobo-er so I get forced to handle orb phase almost every run. The repitition certainly helps. Once I learned the timing for clicking back on the shadows of the first boulder though, the prayers became automatic, so that helped a lot with orb, and the timing of clicking trees is just a feel really.

[weary garden]

Not at all for me. I use d arrows and d darts and I usually get the kill right after/during orb phase or right after the 2nd shield phase

[night zephyr]

8 it's normal, but the reduced HP from 8+ really helps a ton for preventing 2nd car on 8+

[night zephyr]

I need to get that timing down. I'm taking a ton of chip damage every wave from not

[spice nest]

Does making mokha charge further during car phase extend da phase time?

[weary garden]

I think so

[worldly jungle]

8 tiles of travel time per tick according to a YT video, Muffyn's I think

[dense ginkgo]

Look on the bright side, it means more spec energy

[sleek pivot]

w8, how are u sustaining d arrows scobo? holy crap im down like 6k amethysts and haven't hit 1000 total delves yet

[weary garden]

Just go 1300 dry at cg for bowfa lol
I have like 15k arrows and I’ve burned through maybe 3k so far

[sleek pivot]

ouch, god bless

[granite turret]

I have 28k d arrows and I still felt bad about how quickly I used em so I went back to amethyst lol

[weary garden]

I’ll probably swap to amethyst if I hit 5k

[mighty rain]

ill probably use them all

[south vine]

the curse has been broken!!!

[weary garden]

My god

[night zephyr]

Can split a couple scythes

[dense ginkgo]

someone hasn't seen scythe prices in the past year or two lol

[weary garden]

Can split a single scythe lmao

[dense ginkgo]

you'd be over 300m off if you're doing 4-man TOB, only like 60m off if you're doing 3-man I guess

[granite turret]

how much are treads rn

[dense ginkgo]

320m

[granite turret]

thats p good

[night zephyr]

5 treads at 500m is 2 scythe splits?

[dense ginkgo]

and they're rising

[night zephyr]

Oh wow they've dropped to 320

[dense ginkgo]

they were never 500m

oh hold on I'm zoomed in mb

[granite turret]

uh I mean I saw some sell for 600 yeah

[night zephyr]

With how much delving they've done im gonna bet they sold some dupe treads above 500

[granite turret]

actually surprised they're still so high

[dense ginkgo]

yeah looks like they dropped from 600m to 430m around the 30th, then back up to 500m by the 3rd, and they've been falling since

30th was when this blog dropped, don't see anything notable on the 3rd

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/varlamore-bug-fixes--more?oldschool=1

might've just flooded the market enough to start dropping

[weary garden]

How 300m off? Sell 5 boots for 300m gives you enough to pay 1.2b for a 4 man split right?

Unless scy is over 1.6 now, I haven’t checked in a bit

[dense ginkgo]

off from 2 splits

[weary garden]

Oh

[dense ginkgo]

yeah I was continuing my previous thought, not replying to you, should've been clearer

[arctic niche]

went through pmuch all of mine have no regrets

[night zephyr]

Okay I think I got the timing down for moving in-between double boulders.

[fickle bobcat]

i find the global stats quite surprising ngl

given that 8+ is literally easier than 8 i'd have expected a bigger than 1.5x completion count

[verbal edge]

I bet there are a lot of 1-8 farmers who consider that a “completion” so they just claim after 8

But even so I agree there should probably be a bigger difference

[night zephyr]

Especially that 8+ is literally anything from 9 to 180.

I have way more 8+ than 8

[fickle bobcat]

actually ill confess to claiming at 8 whenever i see a clue scroll in the box so im part of the problem

[night zephyr]

I'm a cloggers worst enemy. Sent wave 14 with 1 brew and a tooth key/elite clue in the loot

[fickle bobcat]

i was delves biggest hater on release day but i must say i like the boss now 🙂
||was still unfinished slop on release and i stand by that||

[granite turret]

I've seen a few irons that insta claim on cballs lmao

[granite turret]

Yeah I agree with this, it still feels a bit jank but I at least enjoy 8+

[night zephyr]

The bosses fun has worn off for me because I'm due a drop. And now it just feels like I'm doom sending and dying a bunch. The deaths don't hurt as much when you get drops.

[granite turret]

1-7 sucks -> fun for a few waves then die -> repeat

[night zephyr]

I at least got good at not using any brews 1-7 from silly mistakes.

[fickle bobcat]

pocket bp to recover from goofs consequence free

[verbal edge]

I don’t even look at the loot anymore till I’m out of sups and ready to claim

Feels a lot less bad dying when I don’t know what I lost

[night zephyr]

Still annoying dying cause the run back

And then all the slow start waves

[haughty panther]

there's like nowhere else ur gonna get as much value out of d arrows if u don't have a tbow so might as well send it cuz ur gonna replenish the stack eventually is my cope

[granite turret]

Don't you always lose arrows on grubs? That was one of the reasons I switched back

[haughty panther]

nop that was misinformation

[granite turret]

F shoulda sent more darrows then

[night zephyr]

I would have used my entire d arrow stack by now if I used them. Hard pass

Those are reserved for my imaginary tbow.

[timber sandal]

If I can do wave 1-7 delve would I be able to do colo. And if I can do colo should I go get quiver before going back to delve

[granite turret]

Kinda different skill sets, but mechanically yes

And yes

[haughty panther]

yea depends on ur gear but w/ my setup this is prolly the biggest dps % increase I ever get with d arrows so future concerns are relegated to if I ever want to do CAs

personally still avoiding colo cuz frems piss me off but orb phase lowkey been good practice

[timber sandal]

Thank you. What do you mean by skill sets?

[timber sandal]

What's frems?

[haughty panther]

warband

[granite turret]

the 3 guys that spawn at the start you gotta hit with sep styles

[granite turret]

a lot of colo is about solves, and understanding pillars/offticking

[timber sandal]

And can I do colo with full bandos + serp + saeldar + bowfa + full crystal + berserker ring + dboots + barrows gloves + assembler/fcape + voidwaker?

Lol

[granite turret]

I did first quiver with fang + blade, trident and bowfa

[timber sandal]

Thank you shwax

I probably won't do it yet. I'm already in the groove of delve I'm not gonna leave till all three items

Don't feel like learning something new while I'm still mastering delve

Learning osrs pvm is a painful process I don't enjoy the beginning parts haha

[keen rapids]

stick

[timber sandal]

Gz delve count?

[dense ginkgo]

Can I have it

[keen rapids]

no

[dense ginkgo]

[dense ginkgo]

[main briar]

https://i.imgur.com/F4xwejj.png

[quick sonnet]

eyyy main items done

[timber sandal]

All your guys' logs make me feel bad I haven't even attempted a level 8 yet (200 total delves)

Told myself I would after I get clear 1-7s with my brain odd

Off

But that's probably stupid af and I should just try it. All I lose is 5k and an extra pot

[proven owl]

ye ur never gonna learn 8+ if you dont suicide to it a couple of times

if ur worried about regular loot then just suicide when u have trash loot for now

[keen rapids]

have to learn the double boulder timing, the rest is pretty much just the same as 7

[spice nest]

Definitely more rewarding to deep delve in my experience!

[keen rapids]

you can place the first teleporter right on the tile you start on

saves a click

cause it just teles you instantly

[spice nest]

I didn't know dat was a thing oka

432 ticks lost!

[keen rapids]

wait u can skip the delay?

[scarlet vine]

You can place the destination teleporter an extra two tiles if you place it while running

[keen rapids]

Holy

[scarlet vine]

One tick saved every run 😎

Not sure about skipping the delay on the door tho lol I'll have to try

[timber sandal]

Wait there's a quicker way to get to doom. I've been running and jumping this whole time wtf

[tulip spade]

same...

[heady flicker]

Estimates on how many arrows I need for getting all items? Pretty mid skill wise. Scobo, no zcb

[paper escarp]

Are you guys bringing blowpipe for car phase or just camping sco bow

[mighty rain]

bp

[heady flicker]

I know it will be quite inaccurate

[mighty rain]

get 15k then send

[signal cipher]

id be surprised if its even that much

its like a day of afk amethyst prob

[night zephyr]

I think I've used around 5k amethyst for 1,000 delves. Using blowpipe as much as possible and scobo when not. Wiki says I'm on rate for 2 items. So it would be around 13k to hit 5.5 items?

[heady flicker]

I have 12k dragon 20k amethyst atm, should be good then

[night zephyr]

Add more if you aren't utilizing blowpipe as much as possible during car

[heady flicker]

I’d want to learn that for sure

[night zephyr]

It's not too bad when doing sidewalk tech. I posted two examples vids in here of using blowpipe wave 7/8

[heady flicker]

Will watch it when I start learning, ty

[paper escarp]

wait so how are you guys returning? I'm using the quetzel from hunters guild, then running to the tele spot

[night zephyr]

I have house tabs in inventory. Hosue tab > restore pool > Colo tele > bank/resupply > quetzal and run.

Can replace with max cape obviously. Not sure if crafting bank > POH > Colo > quetzal is faster.

[heady flicker]

Is Colo tele better than hunt guild for max capers?

[paper escarp]

idk I like hunters guild because I can do that on the max caper and colo tele i'd need to go to hous or bring ring

surely hunters guild is better

[hot oar]

not a bad pb. the log is still painful to look at though.

[tulip spade]

pendant of ates to kastori

[paper escarp]

ngl i don even know what that is

ye I dont have that one unfortunately

[tulip spade]

have to do a little amoxliatl for it

[paper escarp]

I did that

never got the neck th

[dense ginkgo]

You should learn it then you can be like me

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1322143393526321225/1405949000317800578/Screenshot_20250815_121908.jpg?ex=68a0af8a&is=689f5e0a&hm=81b7f71db742e3ee568152f2ce5eaf6130b61d37cdf3152dea3a215eaa549a6e&

[spice nest]

[scarlet vine]

Have any of yall ever had an orb not spawn? Like you shoot the tree, get the sound effect, and then the orb just doesnt appear?

[civic surge]

Has anyone calculated what depth you need to consistently go to in order to sustain Waystones of Mokha?

[civic surge]

I feel like I've had this happen. But I also kinda assume I made some sort of mistake in the chaos.

[scarlet vine]

~10 according to the wiki calc

And I think its legit, unless I maybe missed the first tree? But then i wouldnt have had the sound effect

[civic surge]

I believe you. I also feel like I've had this happen.

Of course I tend to panic and die so quickly afterwards with no orb that I don't get to pay much attention to the circumstances

[scarlet vine]

Lol I feel you, I nailed the prayers while moving/proccing so I was really proud

And then the orb didnt spawn and i just kinda died lol

[desert thorn]

gl moka has hands

it took me a while to do 8+ consistently

[quick sonnet]

extra supplies aren't really gonna help much when you're learning 8. should just throw yourself at it. not like you'd risk a unique anyways

[timber sandal]

You're right I'll try it next week when I can play again

[paper escarp]

Yeah I’ve been trying to learn 7+8 and I’ll only really claim if I have an elite, d darts or aether catalsyst

[timber sandal]

That's a good idea

I'll claim if I have d darts or aether

Elites I don't do so I don't get hahaha

I only do meds now 🥲 need me rangers for my inevitable treads

[paper escarp]

Do your clues

[acoustic oak]

I’m gonna assume we will get way more aether sources

[timber sandal]

Elites? Why?

[paper escarp]

Idk I’ve just always done them

One day there’ll be third age

[timber sandal]

Yeah idk I used to feel that way but I cba anymore

Gl on third age

Once I finish my ranger boots I'll never do clues again prolly

[keen rapids]

Pendant of ates is bis I think (besides doom teles ofc) but might not be sustainable so I just take the lazy walk from poh, colo tele, bank before taking the bird to tal teklan

Hunters guild is prob about as good if you do the banking before. I hadn't thought of that

[gleaming hare]

is there a good up to date doom guide that takes into consideration all of the myriad updates that have been released since day 1? i haven't done the boss at all and don't know what suggestions might be of date. i basically copied pecanbread's guide for my gear. i'll be playing on my main at first to learn, and this setup has 23k in death's fees (not counting the 75% discount for not having done any delves yet)

i also own the eye of ayak. is it worth the +100k in deaths fees? the only benefits to using the eye over slayer staff/skull sceptre that i've seen are that you dont have to worry about being brewed down & not having to ever worry about your autocast being reset on death. are there any other benefits to using the eye?

and is there any benefit to emberlight over arclight?

i've also seen nox hally being used in some videos, is that worth it to bring?

any guidance would be much appreciated.

[civic surge]

Bringing the Eye into the fight gives it free charges. 10-20ish every wave.

I'm halfway to max charges since I got it just from bringing it.

No benefit to bringing emberlight over arclight.

Chally or nox hally can be good to bring instead of scythe because of the extra range. Lets you melee punish from a lot more tiles, which is good because the entire floor will be covered in acid in deep delves.

If you are truly going to be going in on an iron with zaryte crossbow and tbow, then you will have a very easy time. You will be able to routinely skip the hardest part of the fight except for cases where you get unlucky.

Doing it with scobow is significantly different. The floor will be covered in acid much faster and you will have to deal with an orb phase more often than not.

[granite turret]

nox timing is slightly better cuz if you proc into grub phase with chally you don't get an extra hit after

[arctic niche]

learn some form of rockblock tech ideally sidewalk

[keen rapids]

This is actually hella annoying

[arctic niche]

but with tbow zcb im guessing boss dies after 1 rock anyway

[keen rapids]

I feel like I'd feel bad not taking the chally though because what else am I gonna use spec on w1-4

[keen rapids]

Not consistently

[arctic niche]

with ur gear should aim to do wave 20s imo as a goal

[night zephyr]

You only need one rock 8+ for sidewalk tech

You time the run between the two

[verbal edge]

no it usually takes all 3

i think people really overestimate the difference zcb makes tbh

[arctic niche]

tbow+zcb

when i was watching widega he would just off boss half the time

[granite turret]

tbf he was also doing tbow timings after double rock to get deeper procs

[keen rapids]

He was actually waiting to get 2 boulder sets on deep waves, I assume to make the car more consistent

With regular sidewalk tech you might not always get a rock where you want it for the third stomp

[night zephyr]

His set up required 2 boulder sets

[granite turret]

yep thats what I mean, he would time tbow from second set of boulder just before proc

so he gets a few shots in

[keen rapids]

Ah ye

I think the general consensus is you want to use zcb spec on the car, not the full hp boss

[granite turret]

yep

[keen rapids]

Guaranteed hits go brrr

Must be nice

[autumn fulcrum]

how?? this does not work for me

[scarlet vine]

Figure out the max distance, then run over that tile. When your true tile is on it, drop the teleporter and you should run one extra tick before dropping it

[keen rapids]

I need to try that and the supposed door loading skipping thing

[autumn fulcrum]

L O L i swear i tried that earlier and it didnt work but now it does work? ty ❤️

[nova solstice]

any1 got clips of sidewalk?

tryna show my friend

[nova solstice]

[wise spire]

gotta love doing multiple 10+ runs, then completely regressing and dying to wave 6/7 repeatedly

[granite turret]

I died on w3 the run before boots

[arctic niche]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCnp9qSyjAA this guide explains ive seen ppl prefer the otherside for bping

[nova solstice]

Ty

I always did the other way too tbh

Feels more natural me cus its close to north and i use that side if i go north ig

And east is ragged

[keen rapids]

I feel like I have a lot worse boulder luck if I lure him north

[arctic niche]

just went with east cuz thats what he mostly showcased

prob good to learn both sides incase one gets ragged heavy but idk

[keen rapids]

Grubs are cozier if you place rocks north though, seems like they usually come from the west so makes it annoying to run all the way east for car

[nova solstice]

It feels like rags north west alot

Mroe than south west anywyas

So yesh

[keen rapids]

When the car pushes you out from under it and stalls you and ruins your lure

[nova solstice]

Anyways how do u skip the door delay

[timber sandal]

love getting two orb phases on seven

fucking bullshit game punishing me for little dps

loll

[keen rapids]

supposedly if you put the exit tele tile right next to the door but i haven't tried it yet

[timber sandal]

and on six

double orbs

fuck scobo

i wish i had bp

well got level 8 down to first shield phase for first time

thats cool

i can see myself getting 8 down at some point

which is nice to think about

progress will be made!

[night zephyr]

It'll click.

[timber sandal]

i think i can get the prayer down but im getting hit by the rubble

[night zephyr]

Rubble is only -20 HP your fine as long as you get the prayers

[tulip spade]

what causes car to stop 1 tile short of rock block

this has happened to me twice now

[signal cipher]

you stood too close to it

[hallow dagger]

This happened to me. Cleared f5, got treads, and now I plank the orbs and can’t reach 6

[signal cipher]

it’s not just a direction, distance is also based on your position

[tulip spade]

i see

i'll make sure to be on the proper tile then

thanks

[night zephyr]

There are multiple tiles you can use though

[keen rapids]

this seems to me that it just front loads the loading time, but the running tech is legit

if it's the same loading time then it's just adding an extra click, but if that's worth it to you for making it feel less janky then it's tech i suppose

need a side by side vid of both teleporter layouts

[hot oar]

[keen rapids]

it's a scam i fear

[granite turret]

+1 click saved

I've saved over 200 clicks so far

[worldly jungle]

Nhally + chally but don’t bring antivenom is not the play as it turns out.

[timber sandal]

Am I dumb... What's that teleporter

[granite turret]

search the chest to the west of the entrance for them

[timber sandal]

Damn I'm dumb. Thank you. Will save me some time

[autumn fulcrum]

this content is actually so fun

im really impressed

wave 6+ especially but especially 8+ are super fun

doing the tree orb + double boulders on 8+ while flicking and staying in the orb is so flippin satisfying

[dense ginkgo]

I think it's my favorite boss

[autumn fulcrum]

definitely a strong contender, up there with colo, verzik, solo olm, awakened vard and levi imo

probably inferno is as fun too but i havent gotten decent at that yet

[nova solstice]

i think awakened vard is my favourite

but doom is probably 2nd

[dense ginkgo]

yeah I mean "boss" as in something in the bosses tab so Verzik/Olm aren't in the running

[autumn fulcrum]

ahh yea fair enough. i was just thinking pvm in general. but yea i agree. its really really fun and satisfying

scratches the same itch as pog tanking perfectly or doing perfect awakened vard when you nail the prayer flicks + tree orb

[dense ginkgo]

haven't done the awakened bosses yet but looking forward to them

[verbal edge]

i've done quite a bit of post-green log delve just cuz its such a good boss

jagex cooked with this one

[nova solstice]

my main gripe is the boss is so fucking boring 1-7

[dense ginkgo]

I like 6 and 7 enough

And Chally -> BP is neat on 1-2 (way less doable after them)

3-5 though

[indigo jungle]

Lol

[nova solstice]

insane

[granite turret]

Bro really only beat it by one and left

[timber sandal]

Is there?

[nova solstice]

Lmao he actually baited widega to go back

Man said hed never go back

[proven owl]

are those 6 hour log recs or did they die at 181/182

im guessing 6 hour log cuz no divines in invent

[nova solstice]

Jackoo instantly got logged after his 182

[dense ginkgo]

what was their login timer?

[verbal edge]

the rec race will probably get more interesting now

will be a competition to see who can go 6h while clearing the least acid

[dense ginkgo]

or more ways of reducing/playing around acid

[nova solstice]

6 hrs 9 mins or some shit

Whoever gets the most deep procs lol

Maybe they gonna start bringing zcb again

[night zephyr]

Gotta reset if they get a unique. Takes extra ticks every single delve if they have to go through the warning screen

[nova solstice]

Lmao

I didnt think of that

[autumn fulcrum]

ive started stalling on car phase so i can clear acid

but then forgetting that you gotta keep attacking boss or he goes pew pew

[keen rapids]

Wide claimed at 181

[signal cipher]

will be interesting to see where rec goes from here

wide was intentionally playing safe so theres certainly room for someone to get more in a 6h

[faint shadow]

Wonder if you can break the 6 hr limit somehow. I saw some speculation that you could "dc" by losing connection during combat and then reconnect right away, so you never go to the login screen, which would refresh the login timer.

[proven owl]

if so we'll need a skiller to come here and not sleep for a week to set a w5000 rec

[main escarp]

@nimble crest

Youre up

[dense ginkgo]

does he still count as a skiller if he hasn't gained a single xp in a year

[nimble crest]

im casual player now

982 is the ehb king

[arctic niche]

heard you cant

[arctic niche]

is there any reason it even exists? feel like they can just extend it or remove it like log out timer

[plucky turret]

funnily enough think there would be insane backlash if they removed it now

its kinda goated for records

emergent gameplay or something

[dense ginkgo]

you needed to reload the page to log back in again back when the game was on a website, limiting memory leaks to building up to only six hours

[indigo cloak]

is anyone using these new tiles by widega https://pastebin.com/kbUUa9Zr

2nd rockblock breaks half the time am I doing something wrong

or is it just rng

[granite turret]

Breaks how

[indigo cloak]

https://www.twitch.tv/widega_/clip/KnottyBumblingAdminPeteZaroll-g__TMpV_-o6FYrc3

doing this exact thing, it works half the time, other half he moves onto 2nd boulder and breaks it anyway

im kinda new to boss might be missing something obvious

[granite turret]

You're sure you're on the right tiles when he targets?

If you're too close or too far away it can break

[indigo cloak]

guess that's it and im moving too early

cause im only watching for eyeball on rock

ty if it works

[granite turret]

I mean if it's on the rock it should work

Can't really say more without a clip

[timber sandal]

Do u just highlight all rocks then? Or find it distracting. Sometimes on 6/7 I lose track of where rocks are

For car

[autumn fulcrum]

i found boots in a glowy hole!! 😄

just ayak now wooooo!!! (:

sad cuz this boss is giga fun!

[timber sandal]

Dont speak so soon hahaha

Gz tho! What kc?

[autumn fulcrum]

i have like 90 deep and 600 total

super grateful 😄

[arctic niche]

u just cant i think but u can highlight volatile earth rocks

[night zephyr]

Dang something clicked tonight and I didnt get hit by a single double boulder orb 8 - 13 or any debris. Got the timing down to move after the 2nd boulder pops while flicking to avoid debris damage

[timber sandal]

Congrats man that's a great feeling

[night zephyr]

Of course I died cause I was 1 tick off from moving car phase and sent him to the middle and destroyed all my rocks, but yeah its definitely clicking. Now to push for my delve 15 goal. Still have my 13 PB clear from last week.

[timber sandal]

You got this. I'm still tryna get my first wave 8 clear. 270 total delves. Tried wave 8 twice now

[night zephyr]

Have you checked out pecanbread vid on delve?

I think I planked wave 8 6 times until I watched that vid and then got it on my first try after.

[timber sandal]

OK I'll watch it ty

[night zephyr]

Glgl

[hallow dagger]

Is orb phase always three attacks before it does shockwaves? What are your guys’ solves if it throws the boulder first, second, or third? I’ve noticed I have the most trouble when it throws a boulder on the 3rd attack