Osto-Ayak (Doom of Mokhaiotl) | IronScape | Page 6

leaden vault Jul 27, 2025, 10:11 PM

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new jumpscare

nimble crest Jul 27, 2025, 10:11 PM

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nice try i still have watchdog enabled in delve

dense ginkgo Jul 27, 2025, 10:26 PM

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~~let's hope this one doesn't take four months to get into the client~~

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it's nice that they're labelled and not just "extra boolean 2901"

tribal igloo Jul 27, 2025, 10:29 PM

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They didn't use to be labelled, they only are as of a few months ago due to Jagex pushing for their own plugin API

stone dawn Jul 27, 2025, 10:59 PM

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tf is this

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tick 1: regular, tick 2 punish phase, tick 3+ shield phase

fallow terrace Jul 27, 2025, 11:01 PM

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damn this boss is hella tilting

main briar Jul 27, 2025, 11:05 PM

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Every wave 8 i've tried has either been instant death or getting it to 50 hp, nothing in between lol

kind sandal Jul 27, 2025, 11:06 PM

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Yeah I've died to that lmao

weary garden Jul 27, 2025, 11:08 PM

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nimble crest nice try i still have watchdog enabled in delve

lmao how

idle fog Jul 27, 2025, 11:09 PM

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probably havent reloaded the client

weary garden Jul 27, 2025, 11:10 PM

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booo

idle fog Jul 27, 2025, 11:10 PM

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or they built their own version of the watchdog plugin that has no area restrictions

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but idk

kind sandal Jul 27, 2025, 11:12 PM

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A leech has spawned

verbal edge Jul 27, 2025, 11:13 PM

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main briar Every wave 8 i've tried has either been instant death or getting it to 50 hp, no...

hardest part of the wave is pre and post car phase so that checks out

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and ppl with tbow and zcb get to basically skip both those phases

keen rapids Jul 27, 2025, 11:19 PM

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main briar Every wave 8 i've tried has either been instant death or getting it to 50 hp, no...

Just had a death where I misclicked onto acid then couldn't do anything cause I had to deal with like 4 other things

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then got run over by the ferrari

weary garden Jul 27, 2025, 11:36 PM

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nah this fucking rock tech does not work lmao

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Is it because the grub got to him right when he started moving to rock 2?

craggy cobalt Jul 27, 2025, 11:42 PM

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I haven't done the method but I think here's something about not shooting him when he does car stuff

keen rapids Jul 27, 2025, 11:44 PM

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yeah it hasn't been working the last like 5 times ive tried it

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I just died to wave 8 because hitting him with darklight the tick before he fired his biden blast wasn't good enough lol this boss sucks

craggy cobalt Jul 27, 2025, 11:50 PM

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it's so funny cause the time he charges up is balanced, just the visual bar and animation is what feels bad

mighty rain Jul 27, 2025, 11:51 PM

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weary garden

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use the same method but instead of trying to glitch him just make him go to the wall with one of those red tiles

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then go behind rock 2 (prob has to be diagnol)

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then u can run to the other side for 3rd rock

keen rapids Jul 27, 2025, 11:55 PM

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mighty rain

weary garden Jul 27, 2025, 11:56 PM

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gonna try this next run, ty

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 12:03 AM

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arctic niche Jul 28, 2025, 12:19 AM

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its only good when u park car with the tech imo

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ima stop bringing once it gets patched probaly

ivory ravine Jul 28, 2025, 12:30 AM

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Ah, yeah that makes more sense

kind sandal Jul 28, 2025, 12:49 AM

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is there a reason to not use the cheese rock that eats all 3 waves

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Its half the setup for better pay off

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main briar Jul 28, 2025, 12:57 AM

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Probably mostly just not thinking it will be around for very long

weary garden Jul 28, 2025, 1:14 AM

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ive heard its mostly confirmed that it will be patched soon

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 1:15 AM

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it is but unclear how

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presumably to make it break the rock underneath it when it screams

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but there is a more elaborate setup with 2 rocks

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or the original gnomonkey tiles

weary garden Jul 28, 2025, 1:15 AM

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I havent gotten the gnomonkey tiles to work yet lmao

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 1:15 AM

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no thrall at all

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and you need to miss ticks

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its very weird

weary garden Jul 28, 2025, 1:16 AM

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yeah thats what I realized a few kills ago

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also gotta be really on top of grubs

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 1:16 AM

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no likey but hopefulyl they fix it when they make any changes

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and presumably they need to spend monday figuring it out

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so maybe not till wednesday

weary garden Jul 28, 2025, 1:16 AM

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honestly, the more i kill this boss the more im not liking it. anyone else feeling the same?

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 1:16 AM

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you're just worn out

weary garden Jul 28, 2025, 1:18 AM

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im on the floor 8 brick wall, cant seem to get any clears. i stopped progressing and i hate it lmao

arctic niche Jul 28, 2025, 1:20 AM

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ive been just running floor 7 resets hoping wenesday they make orb a bit easier

buoyant sand Jul 28, 2025, 1:20 AM

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ive just been sending 1-7 repeats and perfecting orb/car phase (haven't done any rock/car park tech at all, i'll see what actually sticks Mon/Wed), it's been fun

mighty rain Jul 28, 2025, 1:20 AM

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no rewards adds a lot to being tired of the boss

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push w8+ to plank with nothing to show for it

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but we all know the drops rates good be good at those waves

weary garden Jul 28, 2025, 1:21 AM

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yeah im doing 1-7 clears right now. just trying to take less damage so I can have a better foundation when im ready to try for 8 again

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 1:23 AM

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mighty rain no rewards adds a lot to being tired of the boss

when they reveal rates I'll probably be more discouraged

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getting skeptical 8+ gives you much better odds

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seeing so many people get good pulls on 4-6 (including me)

mighty rain Jul 28, 2025, 1:25 AM

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ye i got mine at 6 but that was after os many waves done

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guess we'll wait and see

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personally, I dont like that items drop at below wave 5

weary garden Jul 28, 2025, 1:26 AM

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ive been waiting on rates to see if its worth my time doing this or just going back to ToA

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 1:26 AM

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imo it should have been 5 cloth/6 wand / 8 boots

keen rapids Jul 28, 2025, 1:26 AM

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go back to toa imo til they make this less jank

mighty rain Jul 28, 2025, 1:26 AM

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keep doing this

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even with how jank it is doing 1-7 is good af practice for when ur gonna start sending 8+ attempts again

arctic niche Jul 28, 2025, 1:26 AM

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hope they fix the arrow bug to wana start using darrows here

warm cloak Jul 28, 2025, 1:27 AM

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im just burnt because I haven't seen a single unique :/

leaden vault Jul 28, 2025, 1:27 AM

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rune arrows until wave 7 is a vibe

mighty rain Jul 28, 2025, 1:27 AM

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think they'll put any hotfixes/make comments on the content tomorrow?

arctic niche Jul 28, 2025, 1:28 AM

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ive seen ppl talk about monday but i dont get why they wouldint just wait till wenesday imo

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 1:29 AM

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it's not like they get to the office at 8am and a perfect non bandaid fix to the boss's core pathing being abusable will be there

arctic niche Jul 28, 2025, 1:30 AM

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imo it would just be more palatable to make car harder while also making boss easier (mage grubs/orb)

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rather then making boss more difficult/annoying before other changes

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 1:32 AM

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i much preferred not parking the car

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but it's objectively better dps to park and dknive

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and my kcs are pretty marginal

weary garden Jul 28, 2025, 1:33 AM

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I hope they comment on it at least tbh

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I have hopes that they do more than patch the one rock bug, but im not sure if they'll do much past that

wispy knot Jul 28, 2025, 1:42 AM

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ok think my cap is currently depth 5

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shit's absurdly fast beyond that and I can't hang

craggy cobalt Jul 28, 2025, 1:56 AM

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arctic niche hope they fix the arrow bug to wana start using darrows here

I'm pretty sure there's no arrows bug

night zephyr Jul 28, 2025, 1:58 AM

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Might be feeling worn out because of all the mental wear of jank to keep in mind.

When the jank is polished it will stay fun longer.

If wave 8+ turns out to be significantly I'm really hopingl for something to change the difficulty for the people without Tbow/ZCB.

We really fight a different boss

craggy cobalt Jul 28, 2025, 1:58 AM

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weary garden honestly, the more i kill this boss the more im not liking it. anyone else feeli...

not really, every day my PB increases by a delve and a half, prayers make more sense, etc

main briar Jul 28, 2025, 1:58 AM

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craggy cobalt I'm pretty sure there's no arrows bug

There definitely is not

night zephyr Jul 28, 2025, 2:01 AM

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craggy cobalt not really, every day my PB increases by a delve and a half, prayers make more s...

Yeah once you get the muscle memory for flicking double rocks + moving it's quite fun/satisfying to pull off

Only gripe with that part is getting hit by rock projectiles I can't see

craggy cobalt Jul 28, 2025, 2:02 AM

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yeah, my biggest issue right now is that like 1/3rd of the time I run out of rocks for the last car slam

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so between falling rock chip and car slam chip, I just take a lot of damage

mighty rain Jul 28, 2025, 2:03 AM

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feel like the falling rocks are dumb af

night zephyr Jul 28, 2025, 2:03 AM

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Yeah I hope they keep the rock setup tech in some form to have a way to deal with that.

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If they just made it that all your setup rocks go away after first stomp it would be fine I think

mighty rain Jul 28, 2025, 2:04 AM

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at least if the double rocks in w8+ only had the first one break apart, then the second one only do the tile ur standing on there'd be skill in dodging it

weary garden Jul 28, 2025, 2:04 AM

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night zephyr Might be feeling worn out because of all the mental wear of jank to keep in mind...

yeah without tbow/zcb wave 8 is so inconsistent lmao

craggy cobalt Jul 28, 2025, 2:04 AM

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mighty rain at least if the double rocks in w8+ only had the first one break apart, then the...

supposedly you can path to where a shadow from the first one was and the 2nd one won't hit you there ever

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but I haven't tested, also you'd have to not path too early

mighty rain Jul 28, 2025, 2:05 AM

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PepeHmmm

craggy cobalt Jul 28, 2025, 2:06 AM

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oh the 3rd thing I take damage from and tbh I hope they actually change this, acid splats have no way to control them and thralls spawning them seems wacky

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him spitting them at random and sometimes having the grubs path over them is just really annoying

orchid summit Jul 28, 2025, 2:27 AM

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weary garden honestly, the more i kill this boss the more im not liking it. anyone else feeli...

this is how i feel. 20 d8 clears and 7/8 started really bugging me with how the difficulty can vary so hard with a zcb miss at the start, so started d1-6 repeat

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actually 7 is mostly ok, even orb isnt hard, but orb on 8 is like awakened vardorvis enrage APM, not a fan of repeating that lol

night zephyr Jul 28, 2025, 2:27 AM

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Wait are HCIMs just SOL during the demonbane shield phase if they DC?

Can't remember if he sends autos during that to keep you in combat.

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 2:28 AM

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orchid summit this is how i feel. 20 d8 clears and 7/8 started really bugging me with how the ...

I've done 800 floors and not once have i started with a zcb hit

night zephyr Jul 28, 2025, 2:28 AM

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north axle I've done 800 floors and not once have i started with a zcb hit

Dang you gotta get your ZCB checked

weary garden Jul 28, 2025, 2:28 AM

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I wish I had a zcb lmao

fickle bobcat Jul 28, 2025, 2:29 AM

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we will never get another tob and all pvm will be like this forever

compact shuttle Jul 28, 2025, 2:29 AM

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night zephyr Wait are HCIMs just SOL during the demonbane shield phase if they DC? Can't rem...

grubs do dmg to you if they walk in

orchid summit Jul 28, 2025, 2:29 AM

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north axle I've done 800 floors and not once have i started with a zcb hit

its great on 8 to completely skip to shield phase without having to deal with any double boulders

stone dawn Jul 28, 2025, 2:30 AM

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My biggest gripe is that Jagex makes all content accessible now. I want a truly hard piece of content. Why does this start easy and scale? Why not give us for 7 or 8 as the starting point? End-game boss with 6 minutes of filler before you get to it

orchid summit Jul 28, 2025, 2:31 AM

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stone dawn My biggest gripe is that Jagex makes all content accessible now. I want a truly ...

i mean this was specifically packaged as an enrage boss, they just named it something unique..

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that's the entire point of an enrage boss, it keeps getting harder and harder as you defeat it and gamers can see how long they can go...if you're a real gamer you'll be spending longer in 8+ than you did 1-7

night zephyr Jul 28, 2025, 2:31 AM

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compact shuttle grubs do dmg to you if they walk in

Okay, so there's a bit of hope

night zephyr Jul 28, 2025, 2:32 AM

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stone dawn My biggest gripe is that Jagex makes all content accessible now. I want a truly ...

The ramp up was also a big part of learning. Jumping in to wave 7 would be tough.

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Even Colo and inferno introduce you to mechanics as you go

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 2:33 AM

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stone dawn My biggest gripe is that Jagex makes all content accessible now. I want a truly ...

the solution is to delve deeper

night zephyr Jul 28, 2025, 2:33 AM

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I liked gnomonkeys suggestion to reduce the shield phase HP for waves 3-5 though.

orchid summit Jul 28, 2025, 2:34 AM

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i mean i can definitely understand the desire for a repeatable endgame boss as difficult as 8 from the start, but thats what hmt, solo 500+ toa, etc are for

wise spire Jul 28, 2025, 2:34 AM

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ye shield phase goes a bit too long in that 3-5 range

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 2:34 AM

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The shield phase tech once ppl get the boss down and like get rates for efficnent gp/hr

compact shuttle Jul 28, 2025, 2:34 AM

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Definitely seems like the boss could be great with a bunch of small tuning but otherwise seems cool

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 2:34 AM

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Is surely gonna be to tank it on early waves

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That just saves so much time

night zephyr Jul 28, 2025, 2:35 AM

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Tank it?

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 2:35 AM

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If he shoots you , it ends

night zephyr Jul 28, 2025, 2:35 AM

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But he also heals a ton from that

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 2:35 AM

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It starts off as a 60 on w3

night zephyr Jul 28, 2025, 2:36 AM

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I don't think that's gonna be worth it with the healing he gets from that

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 2:36 AM

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night zephyr But he also heals a ton from that

I have to look, didn’t realize he heals from shooting the charge attack

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Any idea how much

night zephyr Jul 28, 2025, 2:36 AM

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In the 100s

compact shuttle Jul 28, 2025, 2:36 AM

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could be not worth taking the dmg if you need the sustain for deep delves

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 2:36 AM

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Oh well nvm

night zephyr Jul 28, 2025, 2:36 AM

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Potentially 200

compact shuttle Jul 28, 2025, 2:37 AM

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if the rates are that much better at 8+

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 2:38 AM

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I don’t think they will be much better at 8+ , the value of deeper is not having to do 1-3

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If the rate for boots was literally the same every wave , and you did 10kph 1-6 vs 5kph 1-12,

1-6 would take 50% longer to hit drop rate

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Just by having less waves that have 0 chance of the drop

fickle bobcat Jul 28, 2025, 2:39 AM

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could it possibly just be loot table rolls includes unique rolls even

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it doesnt seem like uniques are that rare at low delves

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 2:40 AM

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Yeah, it’s just a “common loot 1/XXX” And you get 1-2 rolls every wave but 8+ is always 2

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 2:41 AM

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fickle bobcat it doesnt *seem* like uniques are that rare at low delves

In that scenario I described, 1-6 takes 50% longer. Now imagine w8 is way better like Colo

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Where it goes from 1/650~ w10
1/416 w11
1/192 w12

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 2:44 AM

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fickle bobcat could it possibly just be loot table rolls includes unique rolls even

tbh I'd delve as deep as possible if this is correct

stone dawn Jul 28, 2025, 2:44 AM

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north axle the solution is to delve deeper

Delve deeper is definitely a start, but there is not more mechanics is my gripe. Comes down to supply conservation which is meh imo. Too many uncontrollable factors make deep delving unfun in my eyes. Cleared 10 and don't have any motivation to play until some of the jank get fixed.

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 2:44 AM

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wouldnt surprise me

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I'm having fun 🤷‍♂️

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gotta DESCEND

weary garden Jul 28, 2025, 2:45 AM

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maybe im just a nub, but i had way more fun with yama than this lmao

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 2:45 AM

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meanwhile i cant stand yama tbh

stone dawn Jul 28, 2025, 2:45 AM

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weary garden maybe im just a nub, but i had way more fun with yama than this lmao

Yama zzzz

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 2:46 AM

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north axle tbh I'd delve as deep as possible if this is correct

The reason I don’t see “deep as possible” as a strat long term

keen rapids Jul 28, 2025, 2:46 AM

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I had more fun with sensory clouding than with this boss

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 2:46 AM

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Is bc w8 and w15 are the same drop rates

stone dawn Jul 28, 2025, 2:47 AM

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keen rapids I had more fun with sensory clouding than with this boss

Contracts should have had a normal loot roll too. Even if it was 1x

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Contract fights are actually fun, and repeatable, but with nothing to gain from them after 1kc

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 2:47 AM

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keen rapids I had more fun with sensory clouding than with this boss

i had a lot of fun with both ngl

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base yama i hate

keen rapids Jul 28, 2025, 2:47 AM

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base yama is good chiller content

fickle bobcat Jul 28, 2025, 2:47 AM

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apparently instacasting grubs is an engine issue and wont be fixed

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 2:47 AM

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To me this is the best boss they’ve ever released

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Idk what I would even compare it against

night zephyr Jul 28, 2025, 2:48 AM

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Bloodied blows would become meta lol

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 2:48 AM

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fickle bobcat apparently instacasting grubs is an engine issue and wont be fixed

You can 0tick powered staff grubs, I know that’s what gnome was doing

stone dawn Jul 28, 2025, 2:48 AM

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night zephyr Bloodied blows would become meta lol

Time-wise, yeah. Could nerf that contract, or the loot from it. Doesn't have to be perfect. Solos are already like 4:45 avg. Not sure how fast a bloodied is

keen rapids Jul 28, 2025, 2:48 AM

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stuck cape Idk what I would even compare it against

i would compare it to nex masses except the boss can do every phase at the same time and one shot you sometimes

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 2:49 AM

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I’m saying what other boss you would say is like “the best boss”

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 2:49 AM

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worthy successor to pnm

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imo

hollow depot Jul 28, 2025, 2:49 AM

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do you think therell be changes tomorrow or wed

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 2:49 AM

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the previous best boss objectively

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 2:49 AM

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Yeah pnm is up there too

hollow depot Jul 28, 2025, 2:49 AM

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might need to giga grind my noob 1-7s if its tomorrow kekW

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 2:49 AM

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bandaid monday that never gets fully fixed

proven owl Jul 28, 2025, 2:50 AM

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ye this is a 10/10 boss imo

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 2:50 AM

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My only gripe w doom is the loot, should’ve had the 25% like enrage in rs3

hollow depot Jul 28, 2025, 2:50 AM

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i think its cool but orb phase genuinely makes me not wanna do w8 at all

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 2:50 AM

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hollow depot i think its cool but orb phase genuinely makes me not wanna do w8 at all

Orb phase isn’t bad dude, shoot two trees and control click, drink an antivenom

proven owl Jul 28, 2025, 2:50 AM

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hollow depot i think its cool but orb phase genuinely makes me not wanna do w8 at all

you end up improving at it a lot, ppl just suck at it cuz of no practice

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im still not great but i clear it most of the time at least compared to before when i got destroyed by it

keen rapids Jul 28, 2025, 2:51 AM

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how are you supposed to time the orb start on wave 8

hollow depot Jul 28, 2025, 2:52 AM

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the disjointed crystals and 2 boulders ragging tiles is just the frustrating part moreso than alt clicking and praying correctly

keen rapids Jul 28, 2025, 2:52 AM

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my last run i flicked perfectly but died to the last stomp

hollow depot Jul 28, 2025, 2:52 AM

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if my walk ends up getting ragged by a rock you are just dead and you're flicking during that

fickle bobcat Jul 28, 2025, 2:52 AM

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when i die it feels unfair and that tilts me. shield phase over ragged tiles. bad damage during car. only straight orb line got me meleed. (once rock tech gets patched) getting fucked by the car. gigafuck orb phase with boulders w8. it feels really shitty to die to something that feels unfair.

proven owl Jul 28, 2025, 2:52 AM

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keen rapids how are you supposed to time the orb start on wave 8

i do 3 tbow hits but you need to to boss hit > tree hit tick perfect so you dont get 5 tick delay on hitting tree

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 2:52 AM

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How would you get ragged? You mean you path around a rock

keen rapids Jul 28, 2025, 2:52 AM

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it's awakened leviathan enrage on crack

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 2:52 AM

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Or it stalls you?

hollow depot Jul 28, 2025, 2:52 AM

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it stalls

night zephyr Jul 28, 2025, 2:53 AM

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Im kinda mad whoever pushed the predicted hit change modifier to delve, screwed it up for the different phases, so now I cant see my hits outside of regular delve

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 2:53 AM

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keen rapids how are you supposed to time the orb start on wave 8

you get used to it

hollow depot Jul 28, 2025, 2:53 AM

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and the pathing around the rock often makes you go outside of orb

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 2:53 AM

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unironically

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its the same flick pattern

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and as long as you move 3 movements you're good

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i also time it with chally drag to punish

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 2:53 AM

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Yeah I do the same, chally to dodge the orbs

weary garden Jul 28, 2025, 2:53 AM

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hollow depot it stalls

I just died to this lmfao

proven owl Jul 28, 2025, 2:53 AM

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fickle bobcat when i die it feels unfair and that tilts me. shield phase over ragged tiles. ba...

ragged tiles do no damage tho and bad car phase rng only hits a 30

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 2:54 AM

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Oh wizzy, free chally tech for you, and any1 on the early waves

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For us chally victims

proven owl Jul 28, 2025, 2:54 AM

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the unfair parts of the fight are all designed to be extremely low dmg

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 2:54 AM

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Chally boss, insta bp grub, avoid chally cooldown

proven owl Jul 28, 2025, 2:54 AM

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you can just ignore them and do the real mechanics and you will live

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 2:54 AM

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Yeah just don’t miss flicks

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Tanking stomp is nbd

leaden vault Jul 28, 2025, 2:55 AM

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bp spec seems to always max on the earth Verypoggers

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 2:55 AM

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stuck cape Oh wizzy, free chally tech for you, and any1 on the early waves

i am not a chally victim

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i own a scythe actually

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i just think chally is better

leaden vault Jul 28, 2025, 2:55 AM

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chadlly

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 2:55 AM

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I thought chally was for non zcb havers

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Do you have that too?

fickle bobcat Jul 28, 2025, 2:55 AM

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wizzy scythe mentioned

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 2:55 AM

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stuck cape I thought chally was for non zcb havers

i think the biggest benefit

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is being able to proc 8+ with drag and not be in melee

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and also skip first row acid

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and skip acid in general

proven owl Jul 28, 2025, 2:57 AM

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speaking of acid

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im starting to consider binning thralls

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 2:57 AM

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same but then i unbinned them

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rather be more consistent and chance hving to claim

proven owl Jul 28, 2025, 2:57 AM

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my guess right now is that they're the main cause of melee shield turning into regular shield and losing u a punish

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so im not even sure if they're a dps gain

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 2:58 AM

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proven owl my guess right now is that they're the main cause of melee shield turning into r...

this is correct

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but also prevented by not summoning them pre shield

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which also limits acid spread

proven owl Jul 28, 2025, 2:58 AM

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ye i dont summon them early late waves

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but the argument would be that they help a bit early to make it faster to get to late which im not sure is true cuz of shield

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as for late waves they still spread acid like crazy just after nascar phase

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 2:59 AM

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they are .6 dps

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 2:59 AM

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I was considering replacing them w blood barrage and during grub phase I just heal to full, or overheal w blood scepter

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 2:59 AM

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proven owl as for late waves they still spread acid like crazy just after nascar phase

or alternatively they help you kill during nascar phase

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reducing shots after

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and reducing damage overall

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 2:59 AM

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They were smart enough to make ancients not 1tick the grubs

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 3:00 AM

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hm does it heal

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 3:00 AM

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Rng

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 3:00 AM

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but a real hit?

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 3:00 AM

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Ye

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But 5tick

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Hits a 1 and you can cast twice

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I’m 99% sure, it was like 2 days ago when I did it

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I was hoping it was 1tick speed and it wasn’t

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 3:01 AM

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can you veng

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the bomb

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 3:01 AM

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Not sure I know gnome was venging melees

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Apparently if you kill the boss w melee he squirts holy water

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And that clears acid any tile it lands, so he has a fang now

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 3:01 AM

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yep

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 3:01 AM

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Just for last hits

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 3:02 AM

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o

proven owl Jul 28, 2025, 3:02 AM

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stuck cape And that clears acid any tile it lands, so he has a fang now

why cant he melee with scythe

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 3:02 AM

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you mean any hit

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not punish specifically

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 3:04 AM

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Is scythe good against the boss for non punish hits? How likely is it to hit with no melee switches

night zephyr Jul 28, 2025, 3:04 AM

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Anyone not even getting the holy water special anymore?

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I havent for the last 3 times

hollow depot Jul 28, 2025, 3:04 AM

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your punish damages 1t after your actual hit, if that kills you dont get holy water

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 3:04 AM

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thrall doesnt count

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punish damage doenst ocunt

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 3:04 AM

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They both suck idk what he’s doing

night zephyr Jul 28, 2025, 3:06 AM

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ah that might be it

weary garden Jul 28, 2025, 3:24 AM

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lol the stall when the rock blocks your movement on the orb is the most infuritating thing ever

craggy cobalt Jul 28, 2025, 3:36 AM

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wait am I reading this right, last hitting the boss with melee spawns the water? or does it have to be during the pray mage+range phase? and do you have to be below 49 hp like the wiki said at one point?

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 3:40 AM

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49 hp for the water to heal you

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But it still clears acid

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Anytime you last hit with melee

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That’s what it seems at least

craggy cobalt Jul 28, 2025, 3:41 AM

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also yeah this boss slaps, once they fix the glaring bugs I think it's easily the best boss in the game. only thing I'd change is slightly shorter shield in D3+D4 and have pray melee+range have a different NPC ID so it cancels your attack, and also not have that phase get randomly overwritten by the demon shield transition

craggy cobalt Jul 28, 2025, 3:42 AM

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stuck cape That’s what it seems at least

pretty sweet, why is Gnome using fang though, surely scythe has higher odds to kill?

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 3:42 AM

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Yeah idk, I’m too tired, scythe has crush too so no way fang is right

wise spire Jul 28, 2025, 3:45 AM

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stuck cape Anytime you last hit with melee

You have to kill him with the punish hit, but specifically with your own red hitsplat, not the damage from the punish

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Hence why he was using fang for a bit

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Higher minimum hit, more consistent

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Turned out to just be way too hard to pull off though

leaden vault Jul 28, 2025, 4:39 AM

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i feel like theyll nerf the spirit seed rate no? im getting about 1 per wave 7 run that seems a bit busted

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 5:21 AM

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I'm 800 ish kc haven't collected any

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They really did knock it out of the park avoiding nuking the economy with new boss commons

leaden vault Jul 28, 2025, 5:46 AM

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skeesh

mighty rain Jul 28, 2025, 7:18 AM

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hey buddy

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pass me a pair?

leaden vault Jul 28, 2025, 7:51 AM

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yeah youll just have to make a fresh gimp despair

buoyant rose Jul 28, 2025, 9:46 AM

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does piety help punish damage

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or

keen rapids Jul 28, 2025, 10:04 AM

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buoyant rose does piety help punish damage

i believe it only helps your base hit, and the bonus damage is only determined by gear strength bonus

buoyant rose Jul 28, 2025, 10:05 AM

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ok cuz praying while doing prayers etc on wave 6+ is lowkey

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making me choke

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because i am awful

drifting swift Jul 28, 2025, 10:25 AM

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does anyone know if theres a plugin that highlights the target when i right click them

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so when i right click say a ranger and mager bug the name plate is blue/green

green coyote Jul 28, 2025, 10:26 AM

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keen rapids how are you supposed to time the orb start on wave 8

pecanbread11 on youtube has a good guide on dealing with it

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i just time it with 3 of the bosses autos, gets weirdge with orbs but as long as ur able to recognize 20 ticks pass somehow then ur good

drifting swift Jul 28, 2025, 10:44 AM

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anyone know how to recolour this

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for grubs

buoyant rose Jul 28, 2025, 10:59 AM

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wave 8 is literally so many orders of magnitude harder

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than 7

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its crazy

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send help

crystal lark Jul 28, 2025, 11:06 AM

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Are they patching stuff today

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Should I do my job today or wait until Wednesday when they nerf all the abusable mechanics

drifting swift Jul 28, 2025, 11:07 AM

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who knows

crystal lark Jul 28, 2025, 11:08 AM

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Sorry boss deliverable is delayed I gotta send doom boss before they nerf the car

drifting swift Jul 28, 2025, 11:09 AM

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does the grub dmg stack from the previous wave past 8>

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 11:28 AM

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Yes

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+1 for each grub

desert thorn Jul 28, 2025, 11:33 AM

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this boss seems giga dangerous for hc no?

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like you get a lag spike at wave 8 and its death

ivory ravine Jul 28, 2025, 11:33 AM

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fickle bobcat apparently instacasting grubs is an engine issue and wont be fixed

Where did you see this

plucky turret Jul 28, 2025, 11:37 AM

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quote by mod nox in someones stream the image should be in here somewhere but i aint looking for it

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dont think he ruled it out entirely just that it wont be easy

ivory ravine Jul 28, 2025, 11:57 AM

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Sorry for the response but what is this in reference to?

nimble crest Jul 28, 2025, 11:58 AM

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desert thorn this boss seems giga dangerous for hc no?

Its really easy to phase the dangerous bits with zcb

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Like can just teleport out if you can’t finish it by your 2nd bow hit after car ends

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Ironically f5 is pretty dangerous because I think that’s less consistent

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Zcb tbow mashallah

desert thorn Jul 28, 2025, 12:03 PM

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I dont like the meta being dps the boss hard enough to skip hard mechanic

proven owl Jul 28, 2025, 12:03 PM

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does str bonus from attack style help the echo hit splats?

nimble crest Jul 28, 2025, 12:03 PM

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+1 dmg per 5 str

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Hmm not sure

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Prob not

wise spire Jul 28, 2025, 12:04 PM

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I'm pretty sure it's just the number on your stats page

proven owl Jul 28, 2025, 12:04 PM

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ive been assuming its stats page but i havent tested it

craggy cobalt Jul 28, 2025, 12:05 PM

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it's stats page

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you could brew down and the hit would still do the same echo damage

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base damage is the only thing that would change

proven owl Jul 28, 2025, 12:05 PM

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but are you sure weapon style bonuses count the same way as stats do

craggy cobalt Jul 28, 2025, 12:06 PM

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weapon style bonuses don't change your melee str bonus

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melee STR on this page is the only variable that impacts the number of the hitsplat

proven owl Jul 28, 2025, 12:07 PM

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okay

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then rancour, fero and aranea boots are really good with scythe

craggy cobalt Jul 28, 2025, 12:07 PM

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Yes, probably not worth is over brews though

proven owl Jul 28, 2025, 12:08 PM

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i think it's probably worth it unless ur suicide pushing

nimble crest Jul 28, 2025, 12:08 PM

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Prob worth for 1-7

proven owl Jul 28, 2025, 12:08 PM

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i like to claim between 10-12

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i think melee switches actually help a lot for 8-12

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since its often the scythe hit that pushes you into shield phase

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pushing deeper makes the "dps race" easier during nascar

craggy cobalt Jul 28, 2025, 12:10 PM

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that's why I opted for chally today

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less switches for a huge push and araneas are close to pegs

nimble crest Jul 28, 2025, 12:11 PM

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Clicking chally spec bar on f8 gonna get me killed fr

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But idea is good

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If u don’t have any other good specs

proven owl Jul 28, 2025, 12:12 PM

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its actually really easy to do wave 8 melee hit if you stand back until first rock breaks

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you end up afking for like 4 ticks doing nothing cuz he's immune to tbow

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so you can do a full 8 way if you felt like

craggy cobalt Jul 28, 2025, 12:12 PM

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nimble crest If u don’t have any other good specs

since you want to save zcb for nascar anyway I feel like it's good even if you have a zcb

proven owl Jul 28, 2025, 12:13 PM

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the difficult part about w8 melee is only if you want to be tick perfect really

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for me its: look for empty spot with no acid next to boss > move to that "row" so i'll end up on that spot > click boss > start praying

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and my char auto dodges rocks

craggy cobalt Jul 28, 2025, 12:15 PM

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chally is also nice because of the 2 tile range

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and you really don't lose that many ticks on earlier waves cause you can often beam a grub afterwards to reset cd

merry lotus Jul 28, 2025, 12:30 PM

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Any changes/updates from jagex on the boss today

plucky turret Jul 28, 2025, 12:32 PM

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are these the ppl who tested it or smth

burnt lichen Jul 28, 2025, 12:39 PM

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ivory ravine Sorry for the <:IE:926593497174269982> response but what is this in reference to...

rock block tech

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night zephyr Jul 28, 2025, 12:51 PM

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Yeah being able to do 1 rock is a great compromise. Still involves set up. And prevents you from getting RNGed into having no rocks to block the last stomp.

craggy cobalt Jul 28, 2025, 12:52 PM

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burnt lichen

mechanically him driving onto a rock to null the slam is kinda cool, but thematically it makes no sense. He destroys rocks that he drives over, so why wouldn't he destroy the rock he drives onto?

burnt lichen Jul 28, 2025, 12:54 PM

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You can currently speed up your Twisted Bow and Scythe to 3 ticks by using a 2 tick weapon on the Larva: https://www.twitch.tv/synq/clip/OutstandingAbstruseAlpacaWTRuck-WTWGeN_WrF9n39u9

Twitch

Synq - 3 Tick Scythe/Tbow Tech, Need 2 Tick Weapon for Grub

Watch Synq's clip titled "3 Tick Scythe/Tbow Tech, Need 2 Tick Weapon for Grub"

▶ Play video

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was this posted here

craggy cobalt Jul 28, 2025, 12:54 PM

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the clip wasn't but we've chatted about it

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general view has been that it's super cool but really hard to execute in practice and only really speeds up the first few waves unless you're insane at apm

burnt lichen Jul 28, 2025, 12:55 PM

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seems like that would be cracked for car phase dps check

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to skip orbs

weary garden Jul 28, 2025, 12:55 PM

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How often have yall seen splinters? I’m at around 300 delves total and only saw 2 :(

burnt lichen Jul 28, 2025, 12:56 PM

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i see sunfire splinters all the time but i just spam die deep levels and never claim

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why do u care about splinters?

weary garden Jul 28, 2025, 12:56 PM

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Cause I don’t feel like going back to Colo right now

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Probably gonna have to today though

craggy cobalt Jul 28, 2025, 12:57 PM

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burnt lichen seems like that would be cracked for car phase dps check

it'd be really hard to do that in practice though, since you'd have to get close to the boss to do the pipe. you'd basically be tanking every slam I think

burnt lichen Jul 28, 2025, 12:57 PM

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the grubs spawn away from the boss tho

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infernalhmmm

craggy cobalt Jul 28, 2025, 12:57 PM

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but they run towards the boss, and don't spawn after he's in car mode

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so they'll end up slightly closer to the boss usually

burnt lichen Jul 28, 2025, 12:58 PM

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like every time u proc car phase there are some grubs still walking towards it

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i dont see a problem

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i wonder if that works on melee/mage grub

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so it never dies infernalhmmm

craggy cobalt Jul 28, 2025, 12:59 PM

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it does

burnt lichen Jul 28, 2025, 12:59 PM

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that's pretty cracked then

craggy cobalt Jul 28, 2025, 12:59 PM

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if you can execute it consistently let me know how you do it

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cause I tanked so much damage trying it, to 1t pipe 1t tbow + prayers + move for car is a lot to do

nimble crest Jul 28, 2025, 1:09 PM

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you prob can save as many ticks making sure you drive the car as far as possible after the first slam

craggy cobalt Jul 28, 2025, 1:13 PM

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nimble crest you prob can save as many ticks making sure you drive the car as far as possible...

I did some testing for this and found that it does increase the amount of time you can DPS but only by a few ticks. My rough count of DPS ticks for the "no moving car" was 43, and in my personal testing I got a maximum of 50 DPS ticks, but the average was around 46/47

burnt lichen Jul 28, 2025, 1:13 PM

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craggy cobalt cause I tanked so much damage trying it, to 1t pipe 1t tbow + prayers + move for...

should only need to move 1 tile if u make car go in straight line

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infernalhmmm

craggy cobalt Jul 28, 2025, 1:17 PM

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burnt lichen should only need to move 1 tile if u make car go in straight line

are you pre-placing rocks? sometimes you have to run pretty far to get to the next rock I feel like

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if you end up trying to 3t tbow tech and get it to work during car phase I'd love to see a VOD

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I fully believe I'm being inefficient in several ways during car phase, it feels fairly inconsistent with rocks, sometimes it blows up basically everything in the room and sometimes it doesn't blow up rocks like 5 tiles away from him

full pumice Jul 28, 2025, 1:22 PM

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Are drop rates typically released 2 weeks after launch?

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Also does anyone know why my imported tile markers aren’t showing up in the delve room?

burnt lichen Jul 28, 2025, 1:25 PM

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full pumice Also does anyone know why my imported tile markers aren’t showing up in the delv...

u prolly imported car park tiles which is a new zone on 6+

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1-5 diff zone

craggy cobalt Jul 28, 2025, 1:25 PM

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yeah there are 3 arenas, delve 1, delve 2-5, and delve 6+

signal cipher Jul 28, 2025, 1:32 PM

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have they stuck strictly to 2 weeks for rates

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feels like its been more variable

nimble crest Jul 28, 2025, 1:32 PM

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craggy cobalt I did some testing for this and found that it does increase the amount of time y...

Okay thats actually good to know. How do you usually move the car?

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or just dependent on where the rocks are

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The extra bow hit can be the difference between life and death

burnt lichen Jul 28, 2025, 1:37 PM

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signal cipher feels like its been more variable

i think for yama they gave us rates after like 1 week, and changed them

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and for some other bosses, i recall them forgetting about the 2 week things and people were like "what about the whole 2 week rule?"

full pumice Jul 28, 2025, 1:39 PM

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burnt lichen u prolly imported car park tiles which is a new zone on 6+

You're right! Thank you. I thought it was all the same instance

mighty rain Jul 28, 2025, 1:39 PM

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car phase was close to wall (like 2 tiles from it) and i moved it diagnol to get it closer

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i was like 6 tiles away from it and still took the 40 dmg as if it was running me over but it didnt touch me at all lmfao

craggy cobalt Jul 28, 2025, 1:48 PM

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nimble crest Okay thats actually good to know. How do you usually move the car?

I'm not convinced what I do is good. I have 8 tiles marked that require small amounts of movement to drive him to the corner of a room, and then I usually try and make him go in a far straight line twice afterwards

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But like 25% of the time I sometimes don't have rocks on the last slam

ivory ravine Jul 28, 2025, 1:50 PM

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burnt lichen rock block tech

Thanks!

crystal lark Jul 28, 2025, 1:58 PM

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if you stand close you can intentionally shorten the distance of his charge to try and save rocks

fast latch Jul 28, 2025, 1:58 PM

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Rng mechanic

craggy cobalt Jul 28, 2025, 2:00 PM

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The only thing I notice is that sometimes Doom drops rocks in a cluster, and if your first pull is into that cluster you're just screwed

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but to react to that info in time is super hard

crystal lark Jul 28, 2025, 2:01 PM

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fast latch Rng mechanic

what about it is rng?

fast latch Jul 28, 2025, 2:02 PM

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The way he destroys rocks

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I'll pull him in a corner and he still sometimes destroys rocks in almost the opposite corner

craggy cobalt Jul 28, 2025, 2:02 PM

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yeah it's very nonsense, sometimes he just doesn't kill a rock that's literally right next to him

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and sometimes it's all rocks in the arena gone

crystal lark Jul 28, 2025, 2:02 PM

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I see

manic flume Jul 28, 2025, 2:03 PM

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rocks and the RNG around how much the boulder/orb overlap is what frustrates me the most

fast latch Jul 28, 2025, 2:03 PM

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The not destroying behind other rocks seems inconsistent too like it's gotta be a cardinal direction

craggy cobalt Jul 28, 2025, 2:06 PM

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The boss is amazing, don't get me wrong. Just so many pain points with bugs/unclear mechanics

coral basalt Jul 28, 2025, 2:08 PM

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Are there any other bosses where you can greenlog without even having a KC on the board?

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Just wondering if that’ll be unique to this one

nimble crest Jul 28, 2025, 2:09 PM

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usually you get kc for killing a boss

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this is the first time skill issubstantially rewarded with ehb

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usually u just mass and get bad item rates but good ehb

night zephyr Jul 28, 2025, 2:25 PM

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coral basalt Are there any other bosses where you can greenlog without even having a KC on th...

Chaos elemental might be the only other one.

coral basalt Jul 28, 2025, 2:30 PM

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Oh that's true

feral rock Jul 28, 2025, 3:06 PM

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signal cipher feels like its been more variable

I think 2 weeks is what their rule of thumb is but situations like yama nerfs, runelite solves, and dt2 rings lead to early info

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I dont recall us getting it later than 2 weeks but hard to keep up with all the boss releases

craggy cobalt Jul 28, 2025, 3:13 PM

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My guess is we'll get the info this week, since people are wondering if it's actually worth pushing 8+ and planking or not

manic flume Jul 28, 2025, 3:19 PM

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i feel like the last time them releasing rates was super relevant was ToA. everything else the wiki just figures out.

celest robin Jul 28, 2025, 3:21 PM

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ToA was also when they committed to the 2 week rule since ppl were mad at how long it took

night zephyr Jul 28, 2025, 3:24 PM

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Has runelite/wiki been able to view our loot each wave despite not claiming? If so, surely they'd have enough data by now for a solid estimate based on delve level 1 - 8.

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We are over 110k wave 8 clears now and 400k wave 7

limber finch Jul 28, 2025, 3:24 PM

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I don’t think the unclaimed loot has been tracked

mighty rain Jul 28, 2025, 3:24 PM

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doubt they get that info

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i have the rates and i'll share them with you guys

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just gotta ask me nicely

grizzled comet Jul 28, 2025, 3:25 PM

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did they get info from unclaimed colo chests?

tribal igloo Jul 28, 2025, 3:30 PM

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Jagex posted a lot of unique rates from colosseum. If you OSRS Wiki Crowdsourcing from the plugin hub the wiki can see unclaimed loot, but not what floor it came from. If you have loot tracker the wiki can see what loot and floor if you claim it. This leads to very biased numbers as people will claim on early delves if they get a unique.

celest robin Jul 28, 2025, 3:31 PM

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Would you be able to at least tell then relative rates? I'd expect it to be quite rare that someone doesn't claim a unique on the wave they obtained it, so you could perhaps be able to say things like "the cloth is twice as rare on wave 4 as wave 8"

tribal igloo Jul 28, 2025, 3:31 PM

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grizzled comet did they get info from unclaimed colo chests?

Jagex posted this one week after colo release

celest robin Jul 28, 2025, 3:31 PM

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ah no that doesn't work because fewer people can get to 8

tribal igloo Jul 28, 2025, 3:32 PM

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(Which they then changed)

celest robin Jul 28, 2025, 3:32 PM

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I guess at best you could figure out, within a wave, the distribution of uniques given you get a unique

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 3:33 PM

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they don't have the data and they're getting requests every hour for the raw data as if some1 can magically do something with that, and they aren't sharing it because of the misinformation it would lead to

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the data they have makes it look like uniques are extremely common from early waves, because basically the only time people claim early is because they got a unique

nimble crest Jul 28, 2025, 3:45 PM

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i mean its still useful info

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if they can break it down by wave

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everyone will not keep going after a unique and claim so if they can record uniques per wave they can find some info

tribal igloo Jul 28, 2025, 3:51 PM

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If 572 avernic treads have been claimed on wave 4 out of 2,847 wave 4 loots what does that tell you? You have no idea how many people died after wave 4

celest robin Jul 28, 2025, 3:53 PM

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I'd be interested to see that 572 avernic treads were claimed on wave 4 and 936 cloth were claimed on wave 4, that'd tell us something

bleak jackal Jul 28, 2025, 3:54 PM

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We also have the overall depth scoreboard. So as long as you assume that 1: the runelite loottracker population is a good enough sample of the overall delve doing population, and 2: everyone claims a unique on the wave they initially get it, that should give a solid approximation.

tribal igloo Jul 28, 2025, 3:55 PM

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Loot tracker didn't work for the first two days of the boss so you have no idea how many attempts there have been per loot tracker samples

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 4:17 PM

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celest robin ToA was also when they committed to the 2 week rule since ppl were mad at how lo...

Nah that was because there were conspiracy theory reddit threads that arcane was fucking with the rate post launch

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 4:55 PM

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bleak jackal We also have the overall depth scoreboard. So as long as you assume that 1: the ...

They aren’t going to release anything until they have some degree of confidence, they have shared the raw data for the loot with out uniques and started going through it

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The quantities seem to go up by 20-30% per wave, it seems like minimums and maximums go up, but it’s unclear what loots were on which wave

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So basically you can only tell if someone rolls all of the same loot, so past 4 it’s pretty useless

hybrid hawk Jul 28, 2025, 5:36 PM

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Is there a way to DPS calc car phase?

night zephyr Jul 28, 2025, 5:37 PM

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It's just 100% accurate.

celest robin Jul 28, 2025, 5:37 PM

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it's 100% accuracy

night zephyr Jul 28, 2025, 5:37 PM

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Easiest kind of DPS to calc

celest robin Jul 28, 2025, 5:37 PM

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max hit/2 is your average hit

hybrid hawk Jul 28, 2025, 5:38 PM

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Thanks

celest robin Jul 28, 2025, 5:38 PM

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divide by weapon speed and there's your damage per tick

limber finch Jul 28, 2025, 5:38 PM

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Alternatively you can just divide the DPS by your accuracy

thorn mist Jul 28, 2025, 5:40 PM

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tribal igloo If 572 avernic treads have been claimed on wave 4 out of 2,847 wave 4 loots what...

this guy types exactly like how his disc pfp looks 😂

orchid summit Jul 28, 2025, 5:52 PM

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1k delves cloth grind looting 1-7 Bedge

signal cipher Jul 28, 2025, 6:08 PM

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thorn mist this guy types exactly like how his disc pfp looks 😂

its always the same shit when people defend the wiki's awful policies about crowdsourced data

celest robin Jul 28, 2025, 6:09 PM

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orchid summit 1k delves cloth grind looting 1-7 <:Bedge:1195251557122461746>

notlikeduck

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surely going past 8 is worth it riiiiiiight?

orchid summit Jul 28, 2025, 6:12 PM

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celest robin <:notlikeduck:701504231269597214>

thats so sad and a perfect reason for throwing on some youtube and looting 1-7 😂

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i hope rates come out and you're dry af and i'm being a copium noob

tribal igloo Jul 28, 2025, 6:13 PM

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signal cipher its always the same shit when people defend the wiki's awful policies about crow...

I think the wiki not wanting to put blatantly wrong rates on the page is a pretty good policy honestly

celest robin Jul 28, 2025, 6:13 PM

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Well I got a buddy who 3/3'd exclusively on wave 4 on day 1

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and another who's got decent luck let me grab the ss

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ok yeah he's got wand + cloth at 87 deep delves

orchid summit Jul 28, 2025, 6:14 PM

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when rng game is rng 😡

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i reaaaaaally hope rates come out and deep delves are worth

celest robin Jul 28, 2025, 6:15 PM

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and then there's this ss I got from a comment thread on reddit, who was posting it as credentials to talk about difficulty, not as an RNG post

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so I'm leaning towards "I'm unlucky and the rates are reasonable" but that's probably the copium talking

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~1/100 from an 8+ for some unique wouldn't shock me

orchid summit Jul 28, 2025, 6:16 PM

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will still also depend on your personal skill level, im like 90% more likely to plank to a stupid mistake on d8 than i am d7 so unless the rate difference is insane it still wouldnt be worth it for me personally

celest robin Jul 28, 2025, 6:16 PM

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oh for sure

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in case you don't know btw, the 2nd boulder's debris can't land where the 1st one's did, so you can kinda dodge it like p4 wardens lightning (step into the shadow as it goes off)

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made double boulder a billion times more consistent for me

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now I die to orb!

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or getting 1 rock for the entire roomba phase

night zephyr Jul 28, 2025, 6:18 PM

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celest robin and then there's this ss I got from a comment thread on reddit, who was posting ...

So what does total delves mean? It's clearly not total number of delve floors cleared. Does it increase Everytime you clear delve level 1?

celest robin Jul 28, 2025, 6:18 PM

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yep

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every time he digs, +1 delve

night zephyr Jul 28, 2025, 6:19 PM

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But that doesn't make sense

celest robin Jul 28, 2025, 6:19 PM

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or wait

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why doesn't that make sense

night zephyr Jul 28, 2025, 6:19 PM

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353 delve 8 clears would be 2800+

plucky turret Jul 28, 2025, 6:19 PM

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deep delves include post 8 no

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 6:19 PM

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No

celest robin Jul 28, 2025, 6:19 PM

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ah but it's not 353 8

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it's 353 8+

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I've been making it to 10-11 fairly consistently recently

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 6:19 PM

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Deep delve to 10 is 10,3 deep

night zephyr Jul 28, 2025, 6:19 PM

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Ohh, so that ticker goes up each time you clear a delve floor above 8

celest robin Jul 28, 2025, 6:19 PM

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so those runs would be 4 deep kc but 11 delves

night zephyr Jul 28, 2025, 6:20 PM

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8 or above I guess

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Gotcha that makes sense then

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Ehb gonna be funky for this boss

thorn mist Jul 28, 2025, 6:26 PM

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tribal igloo I think the wiki not wanting to put blatantly wrong rates on the page is a prett...

i think the wiki gatekeeping data from the community that supplied it is silly

proven owl Jul 28, 2025, 6:27 PM

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orchid summit will still also depend on your personal skill level, im like 90% more likely to ...

you're not taking into account the fact that you will significantly improve at w8 if you practice it and most of the time the loot ur risking is garbage

orchid summit Jul 28, 2025, 6:27 PM

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proven owl you're not taking into account the fact that you will significantly improve at w...

im pretty decent at it at this point i just hate dying, ever lol

proven owl Jul 28, 2025, 6:27 PM

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ye i think that's really bad for this content

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this boss is designed for you to kill yourself a lot to get efficient rates i think

orchid summit Jul 28, 2025, 6:28 PM

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not looking that way from drops we've seen so far but i hope released rates prove me wrong

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until then im banking these cballs for champ scroll clogs

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10k cballs in loot tracker so far is pretty pog

celest robin Jul 28, 2025, 6:31 PM

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at this point the only things that'll make me claim are

early tooth half
< 50 hp and no brews going into a late wave

If I'm sitting at like 80 hp and no healing my mind goes "do I want some elemental runes, some alchs, and a few cannonballs, or do I want to potentially spend one more minute at wave 8 rates" and I'm always gonna choose the latter

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I will admit aether catalysts make the choice harder but still generally err on the side of "go big or go home"

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and like

orchid summit Jul 28, 2025, 6:32 PM

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different strokes for different folks peeposhrug

celest robin Jul 28, 2025, 6:32 PM

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I'll probably die

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but the tbow might hit nothing but 80s and skip every boulder

orchid summit Jul 28, 2025, 6:32 PM

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if i drop below rank 1k irons for kc ill send 8 again

leaden vault Jul 28, 2025, 6:39 PM

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did the good folks at jagex patch the car today?

craggy cobalt Jul 28, 2025, 6:41 PM

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celest robin at this point the only things that'll make me claim are - early tooth half - < ...

Yeah I'm in this boat too, several times I've said to myself "I should just do 1-7 resets with a speedrun setup" and then I get to wave 7 and my loot is 350k of items I care 0 about

celest robin Jul 28, 2025, 6:43 PM

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I kinda wish they designed delve in a similar way to the rs3 enrage bosses that inspired it

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aka on death you lose a % of every item stack in the loot chest

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I believe it's 30% but that's just a tuning question

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means you basically just lose uniques unless you're lucky enough to have multiple of a specific one

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but means you aren't getting literally nothing when going for log

fast latch Jul 28, 2025, 6:44 PM

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needa push for items but also need tears for items

celest robin Jul 28, 2025, 6:44 PM

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well tears you just engage in the best afk added in ages

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woodcutting the infinite root

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I've straight up 25 minute logged w/o a full inventory there

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and I think tears are guaranteed every wave 3+? So once you have an item it shouldn't take long at all to slam tears if you don't have

fast latch Jul 28, 2025, 6:45 PM

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yeah w3 is 50 tears

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aint that much if you need the full 22k

orchid summit Jul 28, 2025, 6:49 PM

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imma be a cheapskate and charge the staff with tears

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you do get a shitton of tears claiming at 7 that is one potential upside

fast latch Jul 28, 2025, 6:49 PM

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obviously it's the base base, but like 450 for w8 is 2700 an hour at 10 minutes each

orchid summit Jul 28, 2025, 6:50 PM

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anyone tried eye + gaunts at tob yet?

celest robin Jul 28, 2025, 6:51 PM

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FWIW here's 14 claims that are exclusively:

wave 5 treads
4 w4 or less tooth halves
the rest at 8+ when I ran out of supplies, which happened to also include the 5th tooth half

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and I've easily let thousands drop to the floor

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already got more than I'll ever need though because woodcutting the vine is great, just click it and forget for 25 mins

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~600/hr pure afk

nimble crest Jul 28, 2025, 7:26 PM

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for the mental if im ending the session ill claim so the dumb ass boss doesnt take the W

night zephyr Jul 28, 2025, 7:47 PM

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celest robin but the tbow **might** hit nothing but 80s and skip every boulder

My internal calculation goes a bit differently when I have a scobo/no ZCB.

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Seeing a bunch of anecdotal screenshots makes me way more inclined to do 1-7 speeds right now. But when we see rates I might be more inclined to go back to brews/restores and send for deep delves.

verbal edge Jul 28, 2025, 7:55 PM

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with 1-7 farming you can sometimes even do 2 trips in one inv

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just one more benefit of it

weary garden Jul 28, 2025, 8:00 PM

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night zephyr My internal calculation goes a bit differently when I have a scobo/no ZCB.

Can you send me a screenshot of your setup?

wary oriole Jul 28, 2025, 8:03 PM

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tribal igloo I think the wiki not wanting to put blatantly wrong rates on the page is a prett...

they don't have to post any conclusions but IMO the publicly crowdsourced data should be available for download somewhere and we can make whatever conclusions we want based on that

thorn mist Jul 28, 2025, 8:09 PM

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no we're too stupid compared to the wiki gods for that

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they can't possibly put out the raw data lest the driveling masses should misinterpret it

dense ginkgo Jul 28, 2025, 8:22 PM

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wowhead for reference

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 8:34 PM

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thorn mist no we're too stupid compared to the wiki gods for that

You're free to edit the page with what you think the rates are

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It will be removed immediately

night zephyr Jul 28, 2025, 8:35 PM

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weary garden Can you send me a screenshot of your setup?

Not on, but it's just scobo, void, prims, ultor on my person.

Inventory I have chally, blowpipe, fero + dark light/skull Sceptre.

1 divine, couple ppots and bwans.

plucky turret Jul 28, 2025, 8:35 PM

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imagine jagex waits till next week to announce the rates ppl will go insane PauseChamp

weary garden Jul 28, 2025, 8:36 PM

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night zephyr Not on, but it's just scobo, void, prims, ultor on my person. Inventory I have ...

Chally / fero gloves switch?

night zephyr Jul 28, 2025, 8:38 PM

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For the melee punish

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Does like 30 bonus damage each hitsplat. So +60 on top of the regular chally hit

weary garden Jul 28, 2025, 8:40 PM

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I’ve just been doing chally, I’ll try the gloves switch too. I also should bring ultor instead of LB.

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I’ll probably switch from brews to hard food

night zephyr Jul 28, 2025, 8:40 PM

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You have enough for chally specs for almost all punishes with ultor. Only time I don't is if I get 2 low level waves spamming punishes b2b

And with current tech you can get rid of the 7 tick cooldown with a grub.

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That'll be patched though

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Feros usually add 6 damage to your chally spec punishes.

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I recall I'm just below the hreshold for 6 in that setup though sadly.

dense ginkgo Jul 28, 2025, 8:47 PM

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I like LB because if I get a second car phase on 6+ I can do another bp spec

coral basalt Jul 28, 2025, 8:47 PM

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night zephyr Not on, but it's just scobo, void, prims, ultor on my person. Inventory I have ...

Is the bp just for car phase?

night zephyr Jul 28, 2025, 8:49 PM

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coral basalt Is the bp just for car phase?

Yeah just for car phase.

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I was getting decent at fitting it in before the rock tech abuse, but it takes some practice

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And sometimes just eating a stomp and dumping 2 specs

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I think it's gonna be worth the slot for me even after rock tech is patched.

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Feels very worth without ZCB/tbow

kind sandal Jul 28, 2025, 9:49 PM

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Under what circumstance can doom use melee punish after car and not the charge?

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Just died to that again sadge

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 9:52 PM

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kind sandal Under what circumstance can doom use melee punish after car and not the charge?

After car doom can always use melee attack

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If you are in range

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I didn't think he could ever do the melee charge between first and second car tbh

night zephyr Jul 28, 2025, 9:53 PM

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I've seen it happen twice I think

kind sandal Jul 28, 2025, 9:54 PM

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It maybe related to remaining hp

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it had over 50% after first car

night zephyr Jul 28, 2025, 9:56 PM

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Yeah I'm thinking I may have only seen it on wave 5 IIRC so that might be it

nimble crest Jul 28, 2025, 9:57 PM

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Does the earth orb spec have a stun if you get by it?

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https://streamable.com/cao2d2 at :45 i get pushed out by mokha

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weary garden Jul 28, 2025, 10:09 PM

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Wym pushed out? It looks like you yellow clicked away from him

plucky turret Jul 28, 2025, 10:10 PM

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juked by the grub

nimble crest Jul 28, 2025, 10:10 PM

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ah ic

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grubs during this phase are the worst

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 10:25 PM

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kind sandal it had over 50% after first car

First car meaning the first individual dash?

kind sandal Jul 28, 2025, 10:26 PM

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After first set of dashes

stuck cape Jul 28, 2025, 10:27 PM

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On wave 8/8+?

kind sandal Jul 28, 2025, 10:28 PM

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Nah it was 5 iirc

wise spire Jul 28, 2025, 10:37 PM

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come home from work, only new stuff is vague common loot drop rates on the wiki

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sadge

kind sandal Jul 28, 2025, 10:39 PM

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Micro said probably under 1000, between 1/100-1/1000, but thats really early estimates so I wouldnt but too much stock int oit

wise spire Jul 28, 2025, 10:39 PM

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did jamflex do any hotfixes?

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any new tech?

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 10:46 PM

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pb

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will never ever ever ever be used

opal sparrow Jul 28, 2025, 10:49 PM

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dragon knives still the play on car phase? I never feel like i find a good opportunity to use them

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 10:53 PM

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they are very hard to use without parking the car

opal sparrow Jul 28, 2025, 10:54 PM

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yeh havent been using that method but my dps is so so low with scobow only

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 10:58 PM

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The wave 8+ speed CA is going to be pure cancer I'm afraid, I got a 54.0 by 2 shotting into shield with tbow then popping the trible grub stack, with zcb you might get ~somewhat often with a high bow but without it will be super rare

opal sparrow Jul 28, 2025, 10:59 PM

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I really feel for the first time as an iron that there is just a massive gear gap on this boss rather than skill issue

wise spire Jul 28, 2025, 11:01 PM

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skill issue is definitely real, but gear gap seems more impactful here than it has before

opal sparrow Jul 28, 2025, 11:02 PM

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I mean of course the skill issue is there but without tbow/zcb you're probs adding extra min onto the wave facing the more dangerous mechanics

night zephyr Jul 28, 2025, 11:03 PM

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Gear gap is big enough that ill be sad if 8+ is significantly better

fickle bobcat Jul 28, 2025, 11:04 PM

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nobody has seen a unique in 8+ at all

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(/s)

opal sparrow Jul 28, 2025, 11:05 PM

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has anyone tried just 1-6 farming?

crystal lark Jul 28, 2025, 11:05 PM

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Involuntarily yes

leaden vault Jul 28, 2025, 11:05 PM

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ive been doing 1-7 with hard food and ppots its not bad

crystal lark Jul 28, 2025, 11:05 PM

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I’d say the vast majority of the playerbase is

keen rapids Jul 28, 2025, 11:06 PM

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north axle will never ever ever ever be used

bis mage gloves will never be used? or

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got my first w8 and all it really feels like i did was outdps the boss

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which i guess is the meta if you have a zcb

north axle Jul 28, 2025, 11:08 PM

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keen rapids bis mage gloves will never be used? or

It's dupe

keen rapids Jul 28, 2025, 11:09 PM

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oh

wary oriole Jul 28, 2025, 11:17 PM

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night zephyr Gear gap is big enough that ill be sad if 8+ is significantly better

i'm starting to get consistent d8 completions after 4 days of practice with just a scobo and void. gear definitely forced me to learn the fight better but it's not insurmountable. if 8+ isn't significantly better i'll be really impressed about how jagex managed to torpedo such an amazing update

opal sparrow Jul 28, 2025, 11:21 PM

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wary oriole i'm starting to get consistent d8 completions after 4 days of practice with just...

are you parking the car

wary oriole Jul 28, 2025, 11:21 PM

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no

kind sandal Jul 28, 2025, 11:22 PM

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betting 33% or so better drop rate than floor 7

wary oriole Jul 28, 2025, 11:23 PM

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I hope they copy pasta colloseum

craggy cobalt Jul 28, 2025, 11:42 PM

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north axle It's dupe

go do demonics on a monkeys task from Turael, unironically fun content in bis gear on task

onyx raven Jul 29, 2025, 12:06 AM

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did i set this addon up wrong maybe i just disable it. it seemed fine without the marker thing

keen rapids Jul 29, 2025, 12:12 AM

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what plugin did you use for it? haven't had any problems tagging it with better npc highlight

onyx raven Jul 29, 2025, 12:13 AM

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using radius markers cuz thats how i had it set up for leviathan

keen rapids Jul 29, 2025, 12:14 AM

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infernalhmmm

onyx raven Jul 29, 2025, 12:14 AM

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if you use better npc how do you set it up to hide the orb?

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can you have it on both true tile and entity hider?

keen rapids Jul 29, 2025, 12:14 AM

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no idea the orb doesnt bother me

onyx raven Jul 29, 2025, 12:14 AM

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yeah tbh it didnt bother me either idk why i made a problem when there was none

placid vortex Jul 29, 2025, 12:27 AM

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can i use burning claws instead of arclight? im burning my charges :(

leaden vault Jul 29, 2025, 12:31 AM

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darklight

main briar Jul 29, 2025, 12:32 AM

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yes burning claws work fine

placid vortex Jul 29, 2025, 12:33 AM

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ty

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no synapse gang

wise spire Jul 29, 2025, 12:39 AM

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found some interesting insight on the common drops

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you get a multiplier on the min and max number, then roll the new range

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so say you hit a gold drop:
on wave 1, it rolls 10-30
on wave 2, it rolls 13-39
on wave 3, it rolls 20-60

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it's hard to parse the data beyond that because all we have is claims, not the individual wave hits, but it looks like that wave 3 range just locks in from there on out

north axle Jul 29, 2025, 1:45 AM

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craggy cobalt go do demonics on a monkeys task from Turael, unironically fun content in bis ge...

I need heavy frame tbh

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It's on the to do list

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But even for 500k expected main gp per kill I don't wanna do slayer

onyx raven Jul 29, 2025, 2:05 AM

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anyone seen this shit where he switches fakies the melee shield

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and then withdraws it before you hit

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am i just bugged he fakies the melee shield for 1 tick

civic surge Jul 29, 2025, 2:12 AM

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He did fake it. That's messed up.

burnt lichen Jul 29, 2025, 2:15 AM

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yea seen that a bunch

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maybe they'll fix

keen rapids Jul 29, 2025, 2:17 AM

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get blasted

stuck cape Jul 29, 2025, 2:19 AM

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Yep

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Melee is one of his attacks , and grubs is a hp threshold right?

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So he can cue up a melee , but then you hit the hp threshold , and it overrides it

keen rapids Jul 29, 2025, 2:21 AM

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sounds right

stuck cape Jul 29, 2025, 2:24 AM

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I wish the boss had some kind of wave for the stomp so you could
Time a skip like akha dps, would make bad gear w8 feel a lot better if there was a consistent way to do the orb special, even if it was hard

burnt lichen Jul 29, 2025, 2:25 AM

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maybe they'll fix

north axle Jul 29, 2025, 2:25 AM

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craggy cobalt go do demonics on a monkeys task from Turael, unironically fun content in bis ge...

man I am really considering dropping my first pair of gloves

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right now

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not like I need them

stuck cape Jul 29, 2025, 2:26 AM

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Gloves? Cloth?

keen rapids Jul 29, 2025, 2:26 AM

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stuck cape I wish the boss had some kind of wave for the stomp so you could Time a skip lik...

or for the car maybe

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kinda crazy how big of an area gets rocks cleared

north axle Jul 29, 2025, 2:26 AM

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stuck cape Gloves? Cloth?

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I could drop my only torm

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while it's expensive

night zephyr Jul 29, 2025, 2:27 AM

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Is the cloth not tradable as is like rancour upgrade?

north axle Jul 29, 2025, 2:27 AM

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yes

night zephyr Jul 29, 2025, 2:27 AM

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Interesting. And it seems like gloves will be most common considering they are from wave 2

north axle Jul 29, 2025, 2:28 AM

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well

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i already have a dupe

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i just don't have a dupe torm

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so itd be committing to 5h of tds

night zephyr Jul 29, 2025, 2:28 AM

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But just interesting that this will likely be a concern for a good amount of irons

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Araxxyte fang was the chase rarer item so didn't happen as often

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Does the untradable upgrade part alch for anything decent?

north axle Jul 29, 2025, 2:30 AM

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probably not 150m

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fuck it comitting

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night zephyr Jul 29, 2025, 2:33 AM

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In before 2k dry for the zenyte

north axle Jul 29, 2025, 2:34 AM

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it's the logical move

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but

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I will do them

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in tribrid boots 😎

burnt lichen Jul 29, 2025, 2:39 AM

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why would u waste hours for 150m lol

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are u desperate for gp?

north axle Jul 29, 2025, 2:39 AM

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not at all

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but i need motivation for heavy ballista

burnt lichen Jul 29, 2025, 2:40 AM

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o

north axle Jul 29, 2025, 2:40 AM

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is gonna be 0 time for me

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really

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if i had 6/6 iw ouldnt do this

weary garden Jul 29, 2025, 2:42 AM

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Back up to 3,200 quiver charges :)
Time to go back to doom lmfao

keen rapids Jul 29, 2025, 2:45 AM

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north axle but i need motivation for heavy ballista

have fun getting it on your next trip and then going another 2000+ kc for zenyte

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kekwcd

north axle Jul 29, 2025, 2:46 AM

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I'm fully committed

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no fear no fear

mighty rain Jul 29, 2025, 4:23 AM

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lfggg

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only missing cloth now

leaden vault Jul 29, 2025, 4:59 AM

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skip wand into shadow angle?

buoyant rose Jul 29, 2025, 6:20 AM

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i certainly would

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wand is not useful at toa since you mage so little

leaden vault Jul 29, 2025, 6:25 AM

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the special is a bit useless too right

mighty rain Jul 29, 2025, 6:27 AM

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yeah think its gonna have few use cases

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like whisper

buoyant rose Jul 29, 2025, 6:27 AM

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mainly meme grinds i think

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stuff like barrows zulrah

mighty rain Jul 29, 2025, 6:28 AM

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wand is better dps than bowfa at akkha (and fast af at p2 wardens)

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but its only like

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1.0-2.0 dps

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for all ur charges

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better to just bowfa

buoyant rose Jul 29, 2025, 6:28 AM

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1 dps is a lot but so is the charge upkeep i guess

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what mage gear is that

mighty rain Jul 29, 2025, 6:28 AM

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buoyant rose Jul 29, 2025, 6:29 AM

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yea ok

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i dont know if many people have full ancestral in toa

leaden vault Jul 29, 2025, 6:29 AM

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i guess ill send until they patch the parking

mighty rain Jul 29, 2025, 6:29 AM

#

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guantlets dont get calced

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definitely not worth cus of upkeep tho

leaden vault Jul 29, 2025, 6:30 AM

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is it 1 tear per shot?

buoyant rose Jul 29, 2025, 6:30 AM

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magus ring isnt a max i assume

dense ginkgo Jul 29, 2025, 6:44 AM

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You can use runes instead of tears

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It's cheaper per hour than Shadow

dense ginkgo Jul 29, 2025, 6:45 AM

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buoyant rose mainly meme grinds i think

TOB but the net gain from it probably isn't big if you're not maging

heady flicker Jul 29, 2025, 6:48 AM

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buoyant rose i dont know if many people have full ancestral in toa

@ Parasailer (except he’s not doing toa, but he should)

dense ginkgo Jul 29, 2025, 6:48 AM

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His ass is NOT gaming...

burnt lichen Jul 29, 2025, 6:49 AM

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THANK GOD despair

dense ginkgo Jul 29, 2025, 6:50 AM

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Hell yeah

mighty rain Jul 29, 2025, 7:00 AM

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🤝 @burnt lichen

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boots gang

burnt lichen Jul 29, 2025, 7:04 AM

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🤝

nimble crest Jul 29, 2025, 8:14 AM

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getting fairly consistent now..

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out of dknives tho sadge

desert thorn Jul 29, 2025, 8:33 AM

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Are you using car stuck tech

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Or just gaming

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Parking tech

nimble crest Jul 29, 2025, 8:34 AM

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depends on situation

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f6-f7 no but f8+ yea cos of dknives

desert thorn Jul 29, 2025, 8:35 AM

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Am I stupid for not wanting to use parking tech

nimble crest Jul 29, 2025, 8:35 AM

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i think its ego to not but up to the others

deft estuary Jul 29, 2025, 8:35 AM

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It should get patched no

warm cloak Jul 29, 2025, 8:35 AM

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getting deleted on wednesday so

desert thorn Jul 29, 2025, 8:35 AM

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Feels like cheating and i would rather learn but at the same time i have cleared wave 8 once

nimble crest Jul 29, 2025, 8:35 AM

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cant force u to do methods that will get nerfed

buoyant rose Jul 29, 2025, 8:38 AM

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thing is now they kinda have to nerf the boss

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cuz parking has existed

nimble crest Jul 29, 2025, 9:40 AM

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carpark fixed

drifting swift Jul 29, 2025, 9:44 AM

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burnt lichen

Have you had 4 pets?

sterile spruce Jul 29, 2025, 9:51 AM

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nimble crest carpark fixed

Thats why im taking dmg all of a sudden

twilit matrix Jul 29, 2025, 9:53 AM

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leaden vault Jul 29, 2025, 9:53 AM

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noooooooo

fallow terrace Jul 29, 2025, 9:53 AM

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Noooioooo

deep oar Jul 29, 2025, 10:00 AM

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about time

leaden vault Jul 29, 2025, 10:04 AM

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ill never forget you coolcry

buoyant rose Jul 29, 2025, 10:11 AM

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had to happen

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was a bit bullshit

leaden vault Jul 29, 2025, 10:26 AM

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it still nulls the first shockwave which is good honestly plenty of time to dump knives at the start

night zephyr Jul 29, 2025, 10:28 AM

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If it still nulls first shockwave it's still nice

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We may be able to go back to the double rock setup tech

elfin flax Jul 29, 2025, 10:29 AM

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feel like literally only thing im taking damage from now is the slams on car phase

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over half the time have no rocks for the last one

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and no idea how to improve that lol

leaden vault Jul 29, 2025, 10:31 AM

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nulling the first slam should help just in general tbh 1 less slam to fuck up the room

elfin flax Jul 29, 2025, 10:32 AM

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true, just feels like a halfway fix from jagex

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guess its still rewarding planning though so its fine

plucky turret Jul 29, 2025, 10:33 AM

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now drop the bans

leaden vault Jul 29, 2025, 10:34 AM

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despair

burnt lichen Jul 29, 2025, 10:46 AM

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drifting swift Have you had 4 pets?

1 pet

proven owl Jul 29, 2025, 10:56 AM

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i feel like pet might be pretty common for everyone able to do deep delves

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ive had 2 pets and a lot of the ppl i know who are potting deep delves have one

burnt lichen Jul 29, 2025, 10:57 AM

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im missing cloth, should i keep going as deep as I can? or like early resets?

proven owl Jul 29, 2025, 10:57 AM

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8+ aren't really much slower than earlier waves so i think deep delves are gonna be bis regardless of unique weightings

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but id expect wave 8 to have a higher chance than wave 2 of getting the unique even if it might be small

burnt lichen Jul 29, 2025, 11:00 AM

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unless cloth becomes like rarer or something

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and others more common

proven owl Jul 29, 2025, 11:02 AM

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ye we'll see i guess

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i would bet on deep delves tho

burnt lichen Jul 29, 2025, 11:02 AM

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yea prolly

night zephyr Jul 29, 2025, 11:12 AM

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Anyone test if the double rock block tech still works? I assume it would.

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Only worth to set up 8+, but still an option

leaden vault Jul 29, 2025, 11:16 AM

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curious does anyone know why it breaks the rock it lands on in the clip? figured it would work like the first null spot

stuck cape Jul 29, 2025, 11:22 AM

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One is a rock from Boulder and the other isn’t?

leaden vault Jul 29, 2025, 11:22 AM

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i dropped it there

drifting swift Jul 29, 2025, 11:25 AM

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burnt lichen 1 pet

whats your kc?

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i thought u was the guy on reddit who had 4 pets

burnt lichen Jul 29, 2025, 11:28 AM

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spooned pet + treads earlier today

craggy cobalt Jul 29, 2025, 11:29 AM

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north axle

you're my hero

drifting swift Jul 29, 2025, 11:29 AM

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burnt lichen

craggy cobalt Jul 29, 2025, 11:29 AM

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demonics are fun in max, small switches + voidwaker spec and double DC goes hard

drifting swift Jul 29, 2025, 11:29 AM

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ive started doing 1-7 now

night zephyr Jul 29, 2025, 11:29 AM

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craggy cobalt you're my hero

Will you dismantle a dupe staff for science?

drifting swift Jul 29, 2025, 11:29 AM

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last 300 kc

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i think im dry but idk

burnt lichen Jul 29, 2025, 11:29 AM

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why 1-7?

drifting swift Jul 29, 2025, 11:30 AM

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i dno i just dont see any benefit of doing 8+

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from all the info ive seen i think 8+ is bugged

burnt lichen Jul 29, 2025, 11:30 AM

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not sure why u think that, plenty of people get drops

stuck cape Jul 29, 2025, 11:30 AM

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Info just being ppl not getting drops from 8+?

burnt lichen Jul 29, 2025, 11:30 AM

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plenty of people got drops 8+

stuck cape Jul 29, 2025, 11:31 AM

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The scaling is gonna be small

burnt lichen Jul 29, 2025, 11:31 AM

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perhaps

stuck cape Jul 29, 2025, 11:31 AM

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Yeah I know , I’m asking him what he meant

burnt lichen Jul 29, 2025, 11:31 AM

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but its still better than resetting

drifting swift Jul 29, 2025, 11:31 AM

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from most of the streamers/ppl i know people getting drop at 8+ is rare

burnt lichen Jul 29, 2025, 11:31 AM

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the only way it's not better, is if the drop rates get worse, or if ur like hunting cloth and cloth specifically gets worse

craggy cobalt Jul 29, 2025, 11:31 AM

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night zephyr Will you dismantle a dupe staff for science?

Can you dismantle them?

drifting swift Jul 29, 2025, 11:31 AM

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it is iff you dont brick a run and cash out i guess

stuck cape Jul 29, 2025, 11:31 AM

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burnt lichen but its still better than resetting

I keep quoting this but 1-6 10kph vs 1-12 5kph, even if boots were the exact same drop rate every wave. 1-6 would be 50% longer to get boots

night zephyr Jul 29, 2025, 11:31 AM

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craggy cobalt Can you dismantle them?

I thought someone in here earlier said an uncharged one had a dismantle option

burnt lichen Jul 29, 2025, 11:31 AM

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drifting swift it is iff you dont brick a run and cash out i guess

why tho

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i just spam die, so what?

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go as far as you can, die, repeat

drifting swift Jul 29, 2025, 11:32 AM

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death costs for me are problematic

burnt lichen Jul 29, 2025, 11:32 AM

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despair

stuck cape Jul 29, 2025, 11:32 AM

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Dark light and skull scepter

burnt lichen Jul 29, 2025, 11:32 AM

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chuck a dupe in the coffer

drifting swift Jul 29, 2025, 11:32 AM

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ive done them all lol

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i bring chally and i think it puts my death cost to 120k

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judging from your demon tears you just push until death

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but the bones etc are still worth for me cos im not 99 prayer

sudden lotus Jul 29, 2025, 11:36 AM

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burnt lichen go as far as you can, die, repeat

you do this even if you have no supps left at end of wave? or almost none?

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on the slim chance you can rng through the next?

drifting swift Jul 29, 2025, 11:36 AM

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its fine if you want to push yourself

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i was doing it for a bit

nimble crest Jul 29, 2025, 11:37 AM

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if you have 3-4 teles its prob worth claiming than suicide risking

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but 1-7 is cope imo

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unless ur f8 success rate is bad or dont wanna burn supplies

night zephyr Jul 29, 2025, 11:37 AM

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The bones are kinda trash no?

drifting swift Jul 29, 2025, 11:37 AM

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you turn them into blessed bone shards

sudden lotus Jul 29, 2025, 11:37 AM

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nimble crest unless ur f8 success rate is bad or dont wanna burn supplies

this was what i was thinking of doing, until i'm mega consistent at 7 and not using much supps

drifting swift Jul 29, 2025, 11:37 AM

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which are pretty good for irons

night zephyr Jul 29, 2025, 11:37 AM

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Like 5k-10k of prayer xp per drop of them you get and they aren't so common

burnt lichen Jul 29, 2025, 11:37 AM

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honestly it rarely gets to that point, i always have lots of supplies left when I die, I always die to something totally bullshit

burnt lichen Jul 29, 2025, 11:38 AM

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sudden lotus you do this even if you have no supps left at end of wave? or almost none?

responding to this sry

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like this is how ill die

sudden lotus Jul 29, 2025, 11:38 AM

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oh i see its just that rippy. fair

drifting swift Jul 29, 2025, 11:38 AM

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yea that was bad rng

burnt lichen Jul 29, 2025, 11:39 AM

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i will leave, however, if by some chance im like 30 hp and 0 supplies

nimble crest Jul 29, 2025, 11:39 AM

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that didnt look like bs

burnt lichen Jul 29, 2025, 11:39 AM

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so its clearly suicide to start next

nimble crest Jul 29, 2025, 11:39 AM

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just didnt see charging

night zephyr Jul 29, 2025, 11:39 AM

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If I had tbow and/or ZCB I could be convinced to push 8+

sudden lotus Jul 29, 2025, 11:39 AM

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seems like it'd feel bad but then again at least you're not dying bc of obvious greedy decision making

drifting swift Jul 29, 2025, 11:39 AM

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depending how many bugs you let in you should have let them in

sudden lotus Jul 29, 2025, 11:39 AM

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so i can see push logic

drifting swift Jul 29, 2025, 11:39 AM

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nimble crest that didnt look like bs

he got triple swarm into shield 2x

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1st was melee punish

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oh both was melee punish

burnt lichen Jul 29, 2025, 11:40 AM

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yea it was playable

drifting swift Jul 29, 2025, 11:40 AM

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triple swarm into melee punish with boulder 2x

burnt lichen Jul 29, 2025, 11:40 AM

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i just call stuff like that bs because it shouldnt be able to spam rock attacks like that lol

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it's just absurd

nimble crest Jul 29, 2025, 11:40 AM

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yeah its really rough

burnt lichen Jul 29, 2025, 11:40 AM

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especially when I have no space to breathe

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the play there was to stand in poison and melee

sudden lotus Jul 29, 2025, 11:41 AM

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burnt lichen i just call stuff like that bs because it shouldnt be able to spam rock attacks ...

args for not doing 8 :p

burnt lichen Jul 29, 2025, 11:41 AM

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sudden lotus args for not doing 8 :p

thats not at argument for not doing 8 tho

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shit happens, whatever

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still efficient to keep going

nimble crest Jul 29, 2025, 11:41 AM

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im going for kc anyway

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if we die we die

sudden lotus Jul 29, 2025, 11:41 AM

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yeah not disputing really, just messing. should learn, its just content like any other

drifting swift Jul 29, 2025, 11:42 AM

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burnt lichen i just call stuff like that bs because it shouldnt be able to spam rock attacks ...

just bad RNG

burnt lichen Jul 29, 2025, 11:42 AM

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yea its literally also rng

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LOL

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despair

nimble crest Jul 29, 2025, 11:42 AM

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the only thing that feels unfair to me is leeches

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but half of that is sceptre having cooldown and melee leeches being racist

burnt lichen Jul 29, 2025, 11:43 AM

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yea like triple melee leech

sudden lotus Jul 29, 2025, 11:43 AM

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is staff cooldown fix confirmed to never happen?

nimble crest Jul 29, 2025, 11:43 AM

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but i mean its an enrage boss i hope it doesnt get easier

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would suck if you could go on infinitely imo

leaden vault Jul 29, 2025, 11:43 AM

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despair

sudden lotus Jul 29, 2025, 11:44 AM

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also, has anyone done math on whether ayak is better for mage grubs than demonbane staff?

drifting swift Jul 29, 2025, 11:45 AM

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i think demon bane is better

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tick wise

burnt lichen Jul 29, 2025, 11:45 AM

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equal ticks

night zephyr Jul 29, 2025, 11:45 AM

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I mean you can use it to 4tick your tbow still.

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Until that's changed eye is better

craggy cobalt Jul 29, 2025, 11:48 AM

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gm boot havers

drifting swift Jul 29, 2025, 11:48 AM

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bruhhhh

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wave 5 boot haver

craggy cobalt Jul 29, 2025, 11:51 AM

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night zephyr I thought someone in here earlier said an uncharged one had a dismantle option

apparently it does

night zephyr Jul 29, 2025, 11:55 AM

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5m worth of tears. That's like even worse than the oathplate conversion main gp wise.

coral basalt Jul 29, 2025, 11:55 AM

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Would’ve been a wild moment for them to forget a confirmation button again

wise spire Jul 29, 2025, 11:57 AM

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Doesn't even take that long to get 10k

night zephyr Jul 29, 2025, 11:57 AM

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It does not lol

burnt lichen Jul 29, 2025, 11:57 AM

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afking the demon tear trees is pretty decent

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got 3k yesterday afking

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it manifested the boots because turns out i needed the ones i afked to make it lol

night zephyr Jul 29, 2025, 11:58 AM

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And after you have your tears for boots/gloves, they are only worth 500 iron gp each.

sudden lotus Jul 29, 2025, 11:58 AM

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burnt lichen it manifested the boots because turns out i needed the ones i afked to make it l...

https://tenor.com/view/stilgar-goon-part-2-gif-3581758696321028367

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craggy cobalt Jul 29, 2025, 11:58 AM

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83 > 86 max hit because of treads, holy cow

burnt lichen Jul 29, 2025, 12:01 PM

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wave 2 cloth pls

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despair wheres my cloth

arctic niche Jul 29, 2025, 12:04 PM

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is parking car patched?

burnt lichen Jul 29, 2025, 12:04 PM

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ye

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BUT

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still very helpful to do it once

night zephyr Jul 29, 2025, 12:05 PM

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I would think you can do the two rock setup 8+ too

arctic niche Jul 29, 2025, 12:05 PM

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so u can still use it once? and then it breaks after first slam?

burnt lichen Jul 29, 2025, 12:05 PM

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ye

arctic niche Jul 29, 2025, 12:06 PM

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thats ntb

burnt lichen Jul 29, 2025, 12:06 PM

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protects ur rocks

arctic niche Jul 29, 2025, 12:06 PM

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im prob gona drop bp now though i think but prob still do it

north axle Jul 29, 2025, 12:13 PM

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Can probably still drop 4x knive spec?

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On the first rock

night zephyr Jul 29, 2025, 12:13 PM

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yeah

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i feel like normally you have a rock nearby if you position car correctly after first slam

burnt lichen Jul 29, 2025, 12:16 PM

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https://www.twitch.tv/olen_lahe/clip/TrustworthySpineyRadicchioPraiseIt-hedxcnyBTy1NKzLx

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olen_lahe - 3t tbow car phase

Watch olen_lahe's clip titled "3t tbow car phase"

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love how he used it there

proven owl Jul 29, 2025, 12:17 PM

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ironically the fix kinda makes it easier to 3t

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cuz you were too far away from the grub when u had to lure boss into wall

craggy cobalt Jul 29, 2025, 12:17 PM

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yeah that super only seems feasible if you do the initial nulling rock

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but looks sick

burnt lichen Jul 29, 2025, 12:17 PM

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initial nulling rock is the play

craggy cobalt Jul 29, 2025, 12:18 PM

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since they're fine with that can someone link me the method

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I never bothered to learn

leaden vault Jul 29, 2025, 12:18 PM

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huh null pump feels better than the park tech lol you have so much more time to dps

night zephyr Jul 29, 2025, 12:20 PM

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null pump?

leaden vault Jul 29, 2025, 12:20 PM

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sorry like you null the first rock and just dump d knife specs then bow behind rocks

craggy cobalt Jul 29, 2025, 12:20 PM

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lets call it null slam lol

night zephyr Jul 29, 2025, 12:21 PM

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well you should have been doing that already with car park if you were doing it

craggy cobalt Jul 29, 2025, 12:21 PM

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I never did car park

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but now I want to know how to since this rock placement seems like it will stay

night zephyr Jul 29, 2025, 12:21 PM

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was referring to person saying null slam feels better than car park

leaden vault Jul 29, 2025, 12:22 PM

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well yes i did lol but you have so much time to dps after

night zephyr Jul 29, 2025, 12:23 PM

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Seems like it will and it's the only way to not get RNGed from having no rocks

nimble crest Jul 29, 2025, 12:23 PM

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what are people doing for spec without dknives/zcb

leaden vault Jul 29, 2025, 12:23 PM

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im still confused why chaining rocks to null doesnt work

night zephyr Jul 29, 2025, 12:23 PM

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i bring blowpipe chally

nimble crest Jul 29, 2025, 12:24 PM

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bp to heal?

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i should figure out spots to 3t tbow

night zephyr Jul 29, 2025, 12:24 PM

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healk and dps

craggy cobalt Jul 29, 2025, 12:24 PM

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can someone link me the car parking/rock nulling tech

night zephyr Jul 29, 2025, 12:24 PM

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since im no tbow too

nimble crest Jul 29, 2025, 12:24 PM

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can you bp leeches for max heal

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or nah

night zephyr Jul 29, 2025, 12:24 PM

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yoyu can

leaden vault Jul 29, 2025, 12:25 PM

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craggy cobalt can someone link me the car parking/rock nulling tech

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night zephyr Jul 29, 2025, 12:25 PM

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but i usually send specs during car

leaden vault Jul 29, 2025, 12:25 PM

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drop a rock on the either x tile

craggy cobalt Jul 29, 2025, 12:26 PM

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thank you peepoblush

weary garden Jul 29, 2025, 12:29 PM

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Dang, it seems like everyone in here is getting drops now lmao

crystal lark Jul 29, 2025, 12:29 PM

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Are all of the rock techs only useful on wave 8

north axle Jul 29, 2025, 12:32 PM

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nimble crest can you bp leeches for max heal

BP spec better than bow

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On car

craggy cobalt Jul 29, 2025, 12:33 PM

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leaden vault drop a rock on the either x tile

does it only work in those quadrants or would it work anywhere in the room? What are the line of white tiles and what are the green tiles?

night zephyr Jul 29, 2025, 12:35 PM

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weary garden Dang, it seems like everyone in here is getting drops now lmao

im definitely not dry but can I get a spoon please

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Just got 55 52d on wave 7 running to a rock cause I clicked brain prayer instead of magic :(

weary garden Jul 29, 2025, 12:35 PM

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Lmao we’re at pretty much the same kc

craggy cobalt Jul 29, 2025, 12:36 PM

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night zephyr Just got 55 52d on wave 7 running to a rock cause I clicked brain prayer instead...

hide brain prayer, or separate your prayers

night zephyr Jul 29, 2025, 12:36 PM

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But all my muscle memory

weary garden Jul 29, 2025, 12:36 PM

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I’m at 360 delves, still no 8 or 8+ kc

craggy cobalt Jul 29, 2025, 12:36 PM

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you can leave them where they are, but you can always fit in those groups somewhere

arctic niche Jul 29, 2025, 12:36 PM

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does burn proc acid?

craggy cobalt Jul 29, 2025, 12:37 PM

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yes

night zephyr Jul 29, 2025, 12:37 PM

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yes

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I stopped scobo speccing 3+

arctic niche Jul 29, 2025, 12:37 PM

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skullcry

night zephyr Jul 29, 2025, 12:37 PM

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even 3-5 you can get giga ragged if you send scobo specs

arctic niche Jul 29, 2025, 12:37 PM

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i hope they change that hate wierd thing with thralls and whatnot

night zephyr Jul 29, 2025, 12:38 PM

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yeah its annoying to have to sac DPS in order to not have unavoidable damage

arctic niche Jul 29, 2025, 12:38 PM

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idk how feasible for them but just changing so it only spits acid if its deal like 5dmg or higher would be nice

night zephyr Jul 29, 2025, 12:38 PM

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thatd be ideal

nimble crest Jul 29, 2025, 12:40 PM

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north axle BP spec better than bow

do you know how much by

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feel like 3t bow is better to go for

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if you cant do both

leaden vault Jul 29, 2025, 12:42 PM

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craggy cobalt does it only work in those quadrants or would it work anywhere in the room? What...

the green tiles were for parking the car they dont matter anymore
iirc it only works on those parts of the room
drop rock on a x
stand on the tiles in front of the x to bait the car on top of the rock

craggy cobalt Jul 29, 2025, 12:43 PM

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nimble crest do you know how much by

bp ddarts spec is 19 dps ish, tbow hits are around 13 dps

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roughly

craggy cobalt Jul 29, 2025, 12:43 PM

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leaden vault the green tiles were for parking the car they dont matter anymore iirc it only w...

ok, and it only works on the north and east side? not the south or west?

leaden vault Jul 29, 2025, 12:44 PM

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hmm actually if i remember correctly stalling the car didnt work on the other sides

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but maybe nulling does work on every side

night zephyr Jul 29, 2025, 12:45 PM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/s/NJBzUyxtT4

From the 2007scape community on Reddit: Interesting Venator Bow int...

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New day new bug tech

leaden vault Jul 29, 2025, 12:45 PM

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wtf

nimble crest Jul 29, 2025, 12:45 PM

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ppl saw that a while ago

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