Osto-Ayak (Doom of Mokhaiotl)

[dense ginkgo]

next time he gets grubs coming to him during the demonbane shield phase, tag all on him and recolor his tag

it's a different npc ID (that's why you stop attacking automatically)

I have mine turn purple during the demonbane shield

[vapid lintel]

i see it so clearly now, thank you

[vapid lintel]

smart - will do this, thanks for the tip

[weary garden]

hell yeah, just got my first wave 7 clear!

[arctic niche]

ye handling orb+prayer autos like u did first vid

[proven owl]

oh shit are my dragon knives finally going to get a use lol

[weary garden]

whats the knife tech?

[proven owl]

think he just knife specs car phase

rather than zcb

dont actually know what the dps difference is

but he did just get a p8 car phase kill so maybe

or 1 hit after car phase i think

oh and now he died to trying to use the knife

honestly it does seem kinda legit if you take into account the fact that zcb prob only hits 80s or so when you actually want to use it

its 24 dps at 100% accuracy

i think it will just depend on if ppl can throw the knives without killing themselves

[verbal edge]

what causes the shield phase to start at waves 5+, is it hp-based?

if so then im thinking of maybe just holding zcb spec till start of car phase

[proven owl]

ye we talked about that earlier if u scroll up a bit

i think its probably a good idea

[verbal edge]

yeah seems extremely worth

better odds of skipping orb attack and second shield phase

[proven owl]

these knives actually seem rly good tho

gnomonkey is skipping orb every kill atm

it dies during car phase or 1-2 hits after

he does keep dying to it tho lol

[verbal edge]

probably really tough to use knives while also hiding for slam attack

[proven owl]

i think he might be too greedy with the way he does it

i think its easier to hit the knives towards the end rather than starting with 2 specs

can even intentionally tank last smash

its only 30 dmg

[verbal edge]

ive been tanking a lot of smashes since ive been farming 1-7 only and usually end with lots of sups

better to tank than have to run out of range and miss hits

[proven owl]

ye i dont think tanking a smash is too bad if rocks get messed up so making knives consistent shouldnt be a problem

[burnt lichen]

i got an epic clip for you l0l

sec

1 hp

[main briar]

[burnt lichen]

tagging those pillars to choose for levi orb attack helps me see them

they kinda blend in otherwise

[wise spire]

the gnome is cooming over knife dps

seems like they're pretty good

[buoyant rose]

does defence bonus matter at the boss?

[stuck cape]

no

ppl are in void

[night zephyr]

He very rarely misses if you mess up

Even in masori

[vapid lintel]

what the fuck

[tired lotus]

So if you don't have scythe, use boppers. But if you don't have ralos or zcb, you should chally the melee punish as your only spec?

[buoyant rose]

i just meant since i don't have a meaningful ranged spec weapon, lightbearer seems meh

[stuck cape]

chally?

is very good

dwh or elder maul with no switches is like 80% to hit and is good

[buoyant rose]

dwh it is i guess

[wise spire]

I'd run chally over everything else

[buoyant rose]

is it that insane

[wise spire]

toss scobo specs during the ones he doesn't do the shield

yes it's that good

[buoyant rose]

only spec punish?

[wise spire]

avg spec of 100 dmg

yup

and because you don't get to do it all that often, I use ultor instead of lb

lb only good if you're doing zcb or ralos shenanigans

[buoyant rose]

its fine i need to learn colo very soon anyway i will just spoon the tonalztics

[wise spire]

tbh they're not even that great imo

[north axle]

tempted to join ultor gang

[wise spire]

in depth 6+ you spend so much time hitting him in car phase

[buoyant rose]

what is different about car phase

pradon my ignorance

[wise spire]

you have 100% accuracy

[buoyant rose]

holy based

[wise spire]

gnomonkey is running dknives for it

shit kinda slaps

[compact shuttle]

Ironmen stay losing

[deft estuary]

is it worth brinigng void helm switch?

[compact shuttle]

You want str bonus because that is what the punish mechanic scales off of.

[buoyant rose]

so aranea boots w?

[proven owl]

i think @burnt lichen calced aranea boots?

not sure what he decided on tho

[north axle]

I'm consistently getting to wave 8 at least :)

[proven owl]

farming waves 1-7 over and over seems like a fairly easy strategy that everyone can work their ways up to

farming waves 10+ seems like most irons will prob get items before they get consistent

kinda curious how good 1-7 will end up being

[north axle]

I kinda cba cashing out 500k worth of alchs and tears

and I get to 8 with like 5b 2r

[proven owl]

personally most of my runs still end at wave 7 cuz i dont like to risk aether runes or moon key halves at wave 8

[north axle]

realistically i could bail and do 1-7 2x

but that has bad aura

[wise spire]

first try at wave 7

[north axle]

Tbh I could probably do 1-7 2x on hardfood

[proven owl]

ye for an invent like that i would bail wave 7 for example

[north axle]

for key half/aether sure

this is a typical wave 7 for me

[proven owl]

ye i always push for an invent like that

[north axle]

same and it has... not worked out

[wise spire]

looks like typical wave 7 for everyone

[proven owl]

i feel like aether runes are very common tho

[north axle]

the aethers know theyd be wastes on me

[wise spire]

how are yall low on aethers?

[proven owl]

i still dont have more than like 5 wave 8 attempts cuz i always have something good to make me bail

[wise spire]

I've got 45k of the things

[north axle]

never used any

too useful to use

[verbal edge]

This is what I’ve been doing it’s pretty chill

Just tank most car slams with the extra brews

[north axle]

once i get a kc on 8

i might do 1-7 spammers

hardfood

[proven owl]

i still think pushing for 8+ is good when u have loot like yours

[proven owl]

thats a wave 1 bail and instantly enter again ^^

[weary garden]

im getting very consistent at 1-6, just finished my 2nd 7th floor. I think my 8 clear is coming soon

[north axle]

8 is brickwall for me

[fickle bobcat]

I'm still at the 8 brick wall

[north axle]

hope u do bette'

[fickle bobcat]

Ayy

[proven owl]

i think u could honestly cheese wave 8 if u just want a completion

[north axle]

anybody know how the heal effect actually works

i keep proccing it

[fickle bobcat]

7 felt really samey to 6

[north axle]

but dont actualtl get the heal

idk what is goiong on

[proven owl]

just camp pray mage for blue rocks and kill it before it throws more than 1-2 ^^

[verbal edge]

7 is just 6 except that one attack hits 1t sooner I think

[proven owl]

tank 2 hits per rock attack

[north axle]

I'm curious about pneck spam

i dont really need the inv

could bring a couple

[burnt lichen]

its not worth it, im just running pegs + lightbearer

if you don't have lightbearer ur just missing out on zcb specs big time

[north axle]

no zcb is good tho

my scythe is 18x3

[burnt lichen]

even with lightbearer and death charge, you can't zcb start of every early wave

[grizzled comet]

has anyone tested if scobo spec can be used to cancel racecar attacks? yama is generally just completely balanced around using purging staff spec on orbs, so it'd be a bit weird if scobo spec continues to be for just k'ril, sensory clouding, and one weird and probably unintended yama p3 method

[north axle]

it works on all demons

but probably not on that form ngl

[wise spire]

aint no way he isn't immune to it

[verbal edge]

I expect scobo spec probably only works against normal movement

Not pre-choreographed stuff

Could be wrong though idk

[grizzled comet]

i don't doubt the main interaction is just coded against normal movement but the hope is that they coded in some sort of gimmick mechanic where it also works against racecar for flavor reasons, like how dwh/maul is hardcoded to always hit tekton once or how punish mechanics work on tds/shield. it's the only real demon movement mechanic in the game, it'd make sense for the spec that interacts with demon movement to interact with it

[mighty rain]

not gonna record cus lazy but

ive had moments where I put the race car at the wall then stand 1 tile from him against the wall to keep him there

it works very well when i have 3 rocks lined up in the same row

he'll just stay there and only break one at a time since the others are in front of one another, only having one break

kinda like that

ill drag him the wall, use the 1st rock then as soon as he slams

ill go to the red x, stand there for like 3 ticks, run back to 2

he'll break 1, 2, 3 in order since theyre blocking each other

[buoyant rose]

i think this boss might have hit exactly the right mark

for difficulty and learnability

[burnt lichen]

lvl 13 cleared

[wise spire]

I feel like if you get that far, your unique chance should skyrocket

can't wait to find out later this week it's 1x rate at 2 and 2x rate at 8, interpolate linearly between

[buoyant rose]

should be like 3-4x at 8 imo

maybe more honestly

lower levels arent even the same boss

[wise spire]

7 and 8 are so far ahead of 2 it's absurd

but nobody is dropping shit at 8+ yet so I'm betting it's barely any better

[buoyant rose]

as it is im tempted to hard send for uniques while its easy

since it seems absurd how many low level uniques im seeing drop

seems more likely they nerf lower levels droprate than increase high

[wise spire]

actually it might even be an equal rate at all depths, and just you have to be 2/3/4+ respectively for a chance at each unique

the "reward" for going deeper being that you don't have to waste time on the lower depths first

[mighty rain]

the few the proud

😤

[verbal edge]

plus 5/6/7 at least are just much faster than 3/4

the more i send 1-7 money runs the more i get annoyed by 3 & 4

[north axle]

same tbh

3 especially

i can't stand idk why

[verbal edge]

because every 10 seconds it decides to pray range right as i do a tbow hit

[north axle]

that might be it

[verbal edge]

the pray range/melee shield charge doesnt seem to have a cooldown so they just spam it sometimes

[sharp matrix]

not sure if this is common knowledge but the larva start at 1 damage and go up by 1 at a time, which carries between delves - so if you really try to ignore them they start hitting 14, 15, 16 etc.

i try to budget to let e.g. 8-10 in max by the end of delve 7 (my limit) which isn't so bad

[north axle]

in fact there is an indicator for that if you are on steam client

but not on runelite

[wary oriole]

they need to stop your attack queue if it does the shield break mechanic

like demonic gorillas

[wise spire]

Or just put in a number of attacks between specials

1-3 make him do at least 3 or 4 attacks before shielding, then you can expect it

[dense ginkgo]

doesn't root him

I've used it there for DPS and didn't notice anything different

[clear edge]

Using void, what kind of switch should i bring for chally?

[wise spire]

None

[dense ginkgo]

chally

[clear edge]

not even rancour / infernal?

[wise spire]

Switches aren't worth the inventory slot

[clear edge]

aight

[dense ginkgo]

they might be for farming once you're a giga gamer but for now yeah

[clear edge]

makes sense

[dense ginkgo]

especially if sgs becomes meta

[wise spire]

For now we're hypothetically assuming that pushing deeper is always better

And more supplies let you push deeper

[mighty rain]

its clicking

[orchid summit]

im struggling with 8 more than i did with sensory

need a guide with tech for people with 1.5 brain cells

[dense ginkgo]

idk if anyone reported this yet but found this on the wiki

If the Doom dies from a melee punish, he will launch vials of holy water around. Standing in them will heal the player. This holy water also clears acid blood.

I got healed after a kill one time and wondered what the hell happened

[kind sandal]

The punish tech

[tawny kelp]

gagex please

[dense ginkgo]

Is there any way to influence where the acid goes or where the grubs during the demonbane shield phase come from

[burnt lichen]

not afaik, but if you find something out pls lmk

why does 9+ have less hp than 8

[mighty rain]

its your reward for being good

[sudden lotus]

just thought of something... mains only exploit.
If you go in with a full invent of wands, say 20, and clear lvl 1 - you get 200-400 tears for free. At current prices that's 100k-200k on top of loot rolls.
Hell of an investment at current wand prices for sure but if wands end up dropping in price significantly?
I'm also sure this could be fixed with a simple [check if >1 wand in inv] in charging logic. If anyone has the hear of any jmods maybe worth mentioning

[proven owl]

are you sure it hasnt been fixed already?

[vapid lintel]

it feels like the grubs spawn in a pattern based on where ur standing but i cant figure it out

dont think u can influence direction of acid but someone was saying that he spits out one tile of acid for every hit dealt to him (including thralls) - so dont summon thralls until a bit later in waves 6+

might just be a theory, idk

[drifting swift]

Feel like acid is only a problem at wave 10+

[vapid lintel]

im just sayin for those not there yet / strugglin

including myself that gets absolutely railed on repeat at 8

[drifting swift]

What do you die on wave 8

[vapid lintel]

if not the first double orb, the 2nd

think im prayin too early

[drifting swift]

I dunno why they added audio que for rock projectile attacks but not when he’s in car phase

[vapid lintel]

what u mean about car phase

when he transitions?

[drifting swift]

You know when he fires a projectile whilst moving

[vapid lintel]

oh yeah

[drifting swift]

When then projectile hits you usually it makes a sound que

But in car phase it doesn’t

[vapid lintel]

oh interesting i didnt notice

is car phase projectile a lot harder on 8? havent made there yet

[drifting swift]

So if you’re moving to a boulder to hide for Levi slam you can change prayer too early if you base of sounds

I go off sound que for wave 8

[vapid lintel]

got it

6-7 swapping prayers is fine for me

during that

will see about 8

[drifting swift]

There boss is good is just needs some things tidying up imo

[vapid lintel]

im a void/scoboer so its def doable just gotta deal with protective orb thing / mtultiple car phases all the time

[drifting swift]

It’s the boulder projectile what often kills me on wave 8

If I forget what the first one is it’s over 😂

Like range-mage-range-range-mage-range

And if that overlaps with orb it’s sketchy

[vapid lintel]

yeah theres one guy in here has a crazy clip gaming during that overlap

posted in this channel

looks insane

[burnt lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

why did the melee shield start so fast here?

just random?

normally you get a couple tbow shots to proc reg shield phase and skip the crazy flicking

to be fair, my tbow did miss

but it like instantly started 1t after I fired

[vapid lintel]

besat

my first ever wave 8 had insta shield before the double orbs

idk if thats what u mean

u da pro in here

[drifting swift]

Void knight bottoms covering up rock shadows plz fix gagex

[lost wagon]

https://i.imgur.com/2eqnsmo.png problem solved

[drifting swift]

Thanks so much 😂

What item is that

[plucky turret]

[[shorts]]

[marsh hound]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Shorts

[proven owl]

i think it just has a chance to pull up the melee shield every time it autos or something

[desert thorn]

any new tech or advancements?

I assume tbow is still the way to go

[drifting swift]

Yeah tbow is like 3% better

But goes hard with void on car phase

But tbf scobow feels fine

[night zephyr]

Tbow is a lot better than 3% outside of car phase

[drifting swift]

From Dps calcing it i get 3% inc

[night zephyr]

Thats a 8.5% increase

Also what arrows are you using to get only 79?

Or is that no quiver?

[stuck cape]

I just switched to entity hider + player outline

[night zephyr]

void quiver tbow amethyst is 81 max. so the dps increase is 11.5% increase from scobo amethyst

[desert thorn]

Do we have a settle betwen tbow masori vs void?

[night zephyr]

Do you have full masori and vambs?

[desert thorn]

full masori no vambs

[night zephyr]

calc it

void just might be better the whole time for you

but the logic is masori is better lower waves with less 100% accurate car phase

void better when you are 6+ with lots of car 100% accuracy

but its close enough that if you are missing one of max, void might just always be better for you

[stuck cape]

Void is nice bc on the later waves the only thing that matter is living + dps the boss during car phase

Car phase is 100% accuracy

[desert thorn]

also i can swap in void venny ring for ultor

I cant on the masori setup, gives me +2 maxs

[lunar sage]

What’s the scythe for in screenshots I’m seeing in this channel? And any spec weapons worth if no ralos or zcb?

[stuck cape]

You can calc anything else, but it’s all so minor compared to dealing max dps during car phase

[desert thorn]

true

[stuck cape]

I’d rather slower w1-4 if it means a 10% lower chance to see orb special in w8

That’s why you see gnome dropped zcb for d knives

[desert thorn]

cause if you zcb at w1-4 less chance to see melee shield

right?

[stuck cape]

Not sure, I just know the main priority once you’re getting to w7-8 is killing before orbs if you can

And even if you can’t, car phase is when you damage boss

Ur prob not dealing dmg during orb special, and you cant dmg during grubs

[drifting swift]

Hmm that calc was with void quiver

Where am i losing 2 max hits

[desert thorn]

no way i have an uncharged quiver and that looses me 2 max hits

[night zephyr]

amethyst?

[desert thorn]

god damn

yas quen

I have 6k darrows im tempted to use then till a sunfire drop

[drifting swift]

Yeah my quiver is uncharged 😂

This place rinses arrows

[desert thorn]

cause darrows are 83 max and thats kinda hot

[drifting swift]

Youlll go through them fast

[stuck cape]

I should stop using d arrows I guess

[drifting swift]

I’ve been using amethyst

[stuck cape]

I have no tbow, but one day I might , idk

Feels so silly to save stuff for “one day”

[desert thorn]

I have a tbow and i still dont use darrows

[drifting swift]

I guess but you will rinse your d arrows

I typically save for high invo raids

[desert thorn]

I think im gonna use d arrows till a sunfire drop, then switch to amethyst with a charged quiver, cba to go back to colo rn

[night zephyr]

if you claim when you see splinter drops before wave 6 i think you have a decent shot at maintaining charges

[stuck cape]

Quiver charges are so free, 1 Colo kc lasts so long

[night zephyr]

yeah

also cant think of a better place to use them/work on corruption if you get 2 max hits

Anyone know if you uncharge a quiver with corruption progress if that gets reset?

[stuck cape]

Ugh don’t tell me that, I didn’t even think of that

I have 1 that’s Trouvered and 1 that isn’t too, forgot that might matter

[night zephyr]

I recall someone untrouvering or dying with it trouvered and it getting reset

not sure about just straight uncharging though

[drifting swift]

Am i losing 2 max hit of the dt2 ring

It doesn’t give ranged str right

[night zephyr]

it does

but charged quiver might push you over

and then you can still lb or ultor

[placid vortex]

Void>masori for tbow? No scobo

[night zephyr]

Read discussion up like 10 messages

[placid vortex]

You expect me to read? I thought that was why boss was color coded

Void it is ty<3

[buoyant rose]

this mage delay on some hits on worms is so off putting

[night zephyr]

Swear its a bug

[crystal lark]

what do people have their custom xp drops set to in order to get an accurate hitsplat

for predicted hits

[ripe mica]

https://i.imgur.com/nbIgVtf.png

[arctic niche]

a bit confused how to color the maggots similar to frems in colo

ppl say use better npc highlight but i dont really get how it works to color code it

if i try shift right clicking maggots it doesint give me option to switch color

[drifting swift]

does anyone know what plugin this is

is it this

[craggy cobalt]

I did it with radius markers, better NPC highlight theoretically works the same if you set up presets and add in the IDs with a preset, so 14713:1, 14711:2, 14712:3

[plucky turret]

gear/weapon/anim replacer

[lost wagon]

weapon animation replacer

[ripe mica]

Weapon/Gear/Anim replacer

[drifting swift]

thanks all

[ripe mica]

xd

[arctic niche]

ye but i dont get how to attach colors to the npc ids

raidus markers seems alot more intituitve with that

oh i see

to add preset color u just add:2 for green

[craggy cobalt]

add it in the True tile IDs box with the colon after the ID

[craggy cobalt]

ya

[arctic niche]

tyty

[arctic niche]

are those ids melee range melee?

i have the correct ids just dont know which one is mage range etc

nvm i see again tyty

[drifting swift]

on wave 8 how are you supposed to do the prayers he keeps turning my prayer off?

like ranged-mage-ranged-ranged-mage-ranged he switches my prayer off at some point

[craggy cobalt]

he switches it off when the ball pops, so since two balls pop close to each other you only have 1t to turn prayer on before the projectile hits you

but then there's no prayer turn off, just do the pattern

[night zephyr]

Apparently theres also no delay on dual macca if you use them "correctly" Not sure what that means. But im guessing if you tbow > macca on same tick, then you would just keep your 5 t cooldown and resume tbowing as normal?

I would guess theres also potential for hitting another grub with ranged to not give the macca attack delay.

[drifting swift]

so i wait for the 2nd ball to pop@?

[night zephyr]

but havent seen

[void star]

Yep that’s it. Move move, then 1tick to put prayer on and then cycle through

[drifting swift]

i only see one ball

in clip

maybe i am activating prayer too early

[buoyant rose]

ok i was like why is my max hit so much lower than other ppl even without quiver

and amethyst arrows are just 3 max hits

in void

[ripe obsidian]

Do we combine all 3 of the cerb boots into the treads or is only one added? Basically are we always going to have to switch in a cerb boot if going from like melee only to range only

[main briar]

You can add all 3 or only 1 at a time if you don't have all 3

it's additive though

[ripe obsidian]

That’s what I thought, just watched the solo mission video and he made it seem like they could only hold one lol

[crystal lark]

i think he was ragebaiting

[craggy cobalt]

brings me back to when C Engineer ragebaited by claiming one tick was 0.4 seconds

[drifting swift]

so on wave 8 on boulder i have to pray just as the projectile is about to hit me

[craggy cobalt]

yeah, you have to click prayer the tick before it hits you

[night zephyr]

I'm starting to think that my scobo spec is triggering a delayed melee shield at start of wave 8. My last 3 deaths have been from a melee shield coming up as my 2 rocks are popping/coming out

I watch streams and they barely get the melee shield coming wave 8

Might just be copium

[elfin dove]

I think the melee shield special always comes with the boulder/prayer special so anytime I see the boulders I check to see if I need to melee or not

[main briar]

So what have people settled on for void vs non void and ralos vs chally/claw

[night zephyr]

I think you have plenty of spec to ralos at start and still get chally punish hits

[burnt lichen]

void might be better, id have to vod review and see the actual percentage of hits on car phase in later levels

in early levels though ur like primarily doing non-car

also i dont take ralos/chally/claw

[main briar]

yeah i did like 1-2 runs with chally and 1 with scy and chally felt... a lot better

i dont have a zcb so i gotta spec with somethin

[night zephyr]

if you have zcb you scythe

[burnt lichen]

ah i see

[night zephyr]

if no zcb may as well chally/ralos i think

[burnt lichen]

this is what ive been running

[night zephyr]

If the +1 inv slot matters to you house > Colo > bank > quetzal is pretty close timewise to pendant

[ripe obsidian]

It would have been cool if they would have given us two tonali teleporters that persist through the waves

[proven owl]

speaking of teleporters, can you take them out of that room

can you bring them into the next room where you end up if you use the boss teleports

[night zephyr]

You can

But you can't place them

[weary garden]

This is a good thing though. The more he does this, the more damage you can do with scy / chally

[ripe obsidian]

one tip too for people is to use the lower tier demonbane spell, less runes and can autocast still brewed down

[craggy cobalt]

Complete list of NPC names and IDs since I haven't really seen it anywhere else:

Doom of Mokhaiotl : 14707
Doom of Mokhaiotl (Shielded) : 14708
Doom of Mokhaiotl (Burrowed) : 14709
Demonic larva : 14710
Demonic range larva : 14711
Demonic magic larva : 14712
Demonic melee larva : 14713
Volatile earth : 14714
Earthen shield : 14715

[night zephyr]

Mods please pin

[weary garden]

Omg ty. Is burrowed the car?

[craggy cobalt]

Yes

[night zephyr]

Do you have the earthen shield nodes too?

Those help to nightlight

[craggy cobalt]

That's the volatile earth I thiink

[weary garden]

^^

[night zephyr]

Ah okay

[main briar]

Might as well copypaste this one here ig

[stuck cape]

are those sound IDs?

[main briar]

No idea

[plucky turret]

i dont think so

[night zephyr]

Hiding the ground rocks sounds kind of dumb.

They can get in your way during earthen shield

[craggy cobalt]

It's not the rocks that are placed by the Doom, it's the background arena rocks. Simulates low detail mode I think

[fast latch]

those are missing the red ones u get on 6+?

56834,56833,56832,56836,56837,56835,56839,56838,56840

I think it's the last 3

well should be

[night zephyr]

Ah that would make more sense

[arctic niche]

is there a way to highlight rocks u hide behind in wave 6+?

[craggy cobalt]

Okay so my first try on Delve 9 he sent the double orb and then also attacked me right after, and his mage attack landed right at the same time his range attack did I think

Is that normal? I just took a 56 and was completely thrown lol, I'll clip the vid in a second

[desert thorn]

how many deaths are you guys on?

Took me 30 deaths to get to delve 7

[craggy cobalt]

I'm a die-r

[sturdy smelt]

Who done a 19

And how tf is there a 48s 1-8 lol

[desert thorn]

51?

very nice

[arctic niche]

just insta died on delve 8

what does this mean?

[drifting swift]

'''

?

[sturdy smelt]

Just fixed a bug that existed

Stopped you tping

[drifting swift]

you can take the teleporters in with you?

[fast latch]

it's their wave 8 pb

[craggy cobalt]

first attempt at delve 9, are you just guarunteed to get slapped a 50 every ball after delve 8?

[sturdy smelt]

That seems so badly worded when you compare right column to left though?

Personal best is a full run

Global best time is just a wave 8 pb?

[craggy cobalt]

they've mentioned that it's bugged, it's supposed to be the full time, it'll get fixed next wednesday

[sturdy smelt]

O

Makes sense

[elfin flax]

Think so yh

Or at least every now and then

Think it just sometimes gets an atk opening after the first set of atks

So it’ll choose to either do a regular ark or a special

[craggy cobalt]

I was thinking and maybe if you do the melee hit on a different tick it might not attack you at the same time?

[elfin flax]

Think so yh, seems to happen somewhat randomly

I usually have to tank a regular atk every other delve

Seems like there’s quite a few small issues with the boss

But nothing insane, so will probs be waaaay easier/consistent after update day

[kind sandal]

Lmao the guy who got to delve 19 said the strat for orb was to just dps harder

[crystal lark]

10k tears is so many to make the bracelet lol

[stuck cape]

what's the verdict on this? i feel like i had the same thing happen

[stuck cape]

the afk chopping for tears is 800per hour and 40minutes of afk approx

you literally do 1 click, and you'll get 25min logged b4 u stop chopping

[crystal lark]

nice

that's sick thanks

what's the verdict with thralls in the acid phases

is it worth summoning on earlier waves or no?

[kind sandal]

It's always worth summoning a thrall. It's free dps

[craggy cobalt]

My take is acid management is only really a big deal if you plan on going past D8

If you're stopping after D8 it's probably fine to just thrall whenever

[weary garden]

What does thralls have to do with acid management?

[shadow lion]

at the start of the waves, he spits out acid per hit he receives, so if you thrall immediately, every hit from thrall is more acid spawns

[weary garden]

Wow, I did not know that lmfao

[shadow lion]

its kinda not relevant unless you're rly pushing 10+

[weary garden]

I’m barely pushing 7 so I’ll keep summoning my thralls

[crystal lark]

ive found that with my setup (scobow and amethyst arrows, no rigour) it can be low dps and that sometimes the acid gets to be a bit much and makes hitting the melee grubs extremely difficult

[past otter]

any reason to take slayer staff over purging staff?

[remote bear]

-50k on death fees mostly

[nimble crest]

whats the best guide out there rn

or should i just watch streams/read disc

[scarlet vine]

Wait is there any downside to downgrading to slayer staff + silverlight? Or is it just cheaper deaths? Assuming you use chally or whatever for shield break

[remote bear]

havent really seen any so far, been on darklight/slayer staff myself w/tbow/arclight, also switched to aranea for like 12k death coffer fee

[scarlet vine]

Hell yeah, thats smart

[north axle]

so goofy

[craggy cobalt]

lmfao

honestly throw the holy waters and dragon knives in that screenshot

absolute banger inventory, people from 2022 would have no idea what's goin on

[north axle]

allegedly holy water doesnt actually work

[craggy cobalt]

O:

[north axle]

dbow should though

[craggy cobalt]

even better

[merry lotus]

Why the bone scepter

[stuck cape]

It’s not worth it at all on wave 6/7/8+ you just rag the whole room by thralling the start

Versus waiting for the first special to thrall

[night zephyr]

So my scobo specs rag me super hard?

[stuck cape]

not sure how burn works but probably

are u getting giga acid

[fickle bobcat]

are knives troll their attack range is trash

maybe i need to drive the car better ig

[craggy cobalt]

I feel like knives are good on paper but yeah in practice I am sus

I'd love a good DPS spec that's not ZCB though, if you kill the car your life is vastly improved

[north axle]

what do you mean

is it thrall hitsplats causing acid?

[stuck cape]

yes

[north axle]

??

[stuck cape]

every hit splat b4 the first special = 1 acid spit from boss

so you thrall after the first shield thingy goes up

[north axle]

special = blue

not the scythe punish?

[dusk hedge]

Anyone can confirm weither boss clears defense reducing specs between delves?

[stuck cape]

i believe its either or

he does

[dusk hedge]

Ty 🙂

[stuck cape]

i checked that day 1

[dusk hedge]

I dont have dwh or any other good spec so I'm just using emberlight spec

[night zephyr]

Wait

[craggy cobalt]

I feel like that's not worth using, he doesn't have very high defense level and he has a ton of stab defense

[night zephyr]

Would webweaver spec on carphase be insane dps?

[craggy cobalt]

👀

I'm plugging stuff into a DPS calc atm, so lemme check

[north axle]

no

[night zephyr]

Certainly seems like an option if you don't have knives/ZCB

[stuck cape]

No, it doesn’t have a high max

It’s only good at Levi bc the bonus dmg on every hit and it does a lot of hits

[night zephyr]

Could do the math real quick. Anyone know webweaver max in void?

[stuck cape]

52 iirc

[craggy cobalt]

My calc says spec is a 56 max

[night zephyr]

1 - 21 x 4 then?

[night zephyr]

Wiki says 4 shots at 40% of max

[mighty rain]

yessir

[north axle]

gz

[mighty rain]

i knew ignoring loot and checking at wave 6 was the move

🗣️

[craggy cobalt]

This is what I have open, trying to simulate burrowed mode by manually reducing to 0 defence but it doesn't entirely give 100% accuracy so everything will be a little bit higher

[north axle]

is there a rightclick ignore loot?

[mighty rain]

theres a rightclick descend

so i set it to shift click and i just go until 6

[north axle]

DESCEND

[mighty rain]

then if theres no loot i keep going

[north axle]

I will do this

[night zephyr]

If you ignore loot and descend do you get a warning message?

[mighty rain]

idk

[craggy cobalt]

Does it warn you if you have uniques?

[night zephyr]

Like if you got a eye

[north axle]

lootbox is the warning message

[craggy cobalt]

need someone to find it out lol

[north axle]

i doubt you would

[night zephyr]

That's monka

[mighty rain]

im ngl, i havent died before 7 in ages

[north axle]

big balls get licked

[craggy cobalt]

they mentioned it would warn you

[night zephyr]

Hmm weird. Based on wiki info id expect the max to be 80 or so.

[north axle]

to be coldfixed

[craggy cobalt]

Base max hit is 35, multiply that by .4 is 14, multiply that by 4 is 56

[night zephyr]

Oh

The guy earlier gave us the wildy max hit I see

[north axle]

webweaver spec is 1.4x of an msb hit

with dragon arrow

essentially

but tbh

i might add it

poison

[night zephyr]

If you have tbow surely your expected hit is more than 30 during car phase

[north axle]

3t

[craggy cobalt]

WW spec is expected ~15.4 DPS, tbow hit with dragon arrows is ~13.5 (both should be raised slightly because of the 100% accuracy)

[north axle]

tbow 13.5 is at 100% acc

[stuck cape]

so whats the verdict on webweaver, its actually decent?

[night zephyr]

So roughly 41 @ 5 tick vs.
8.2 damage per tick

28 @ 3 tick
9.333 damage per tick

It's an increase but not much for 50% spec

[craggy cobalt]

Probably not worth the slot is my guess, if you have ZCB up even if it doesn't hit a 110 you probablly send it

[stuck cape]

yeah all of this is not having zcb

i'd assume

[night zephyr]

For sure you'd ZCB instead

Not a question

[north axle]

id rather bp

tbh

[craggy cobalt]

Yeah assuming you want highest potential DPS without giga-short range BP seems like a good middle ground

[night zephyr]

Yeah I'm pretty sure bp damage increase is more

I'm gonna start fitting blowpipe and learning how to keep car from moving tech

Should be huge as a scoboer

[stuck cape]

yeah i like bp and u can tank a stomp and spec

just like sit in range for the 3rd stomp and bp the bf

[night zephyr]

I like that

[stuck cape]

stomp isnt that much dmg

[night zephyr]

Bp amethyst is still a 31 max too

If you get treads and have venator bp amethyst will go up to 32

Even upgraded treads don't get amethyst to to 32 though :(

[craggy cobalt]

If you're just using BP for specs you can prob justify ddarts as well

boss drops a few

[night zephyr]

That's true

I'm gonna try and bp as much as possible during car though

The DPS increase from scobo is big

[craggy cobalt]

Tbh knives are only significantly better DPS than BP if you bring buckler, but that's +2 slots rather than +1, and they have shorter range

I feel like BP is very feasible

I need to remember to zcb spec at the start of car

[dense ginkgo]

I wonder if someone can cook up exact tiles to place rocks and lure the car so you can BP safely

[desert thorn]

are we using bp at car now?

[north axle]

I thought tbow > bp on 0 def max bow

tbh

just in general

[night zephyr]

Bp seems like more of a scobo thing

[dense ginkgo]

Especially if you're using void with your Scobo already

[north axle]

if you pop grubs anywhere in the room while delve boss is in the animation after the shield phase, it deals 25 echo damage to delve

figured it out

only the first proc

[night zephyr]

Wait

So like going into car phase? You could build up 4 grubs

[north axle]

only 1x

[night zephyr]

Ahh okay

Still 25 bonus damage is nice

But we probably already do that without thinking about it/noticing it at later delves

I would think, based on how you said it works

[north axle]

basicallyt

avoid leaking at least one grub to car

[merry lotus]

Wait so always check twice on 2+??

There was a clip, I think boots, some dude checks loot, no unique, closes checks again, unique is there

Day 1 if not day 2

[arctic niche]

does bp always hit on blue shield?

for spec heals

[craggy cobalt]

No idea, that's just what they posted. To me it reads that the warning is there if you try to continue and there's loot

and the other issue will be coldfixed next week

[remote bear]

does anyone know if the eye that spawns from the ground during race car has an NPC id?

it appeared under a rock and totally missed it, wanted to highlight it

[mighty rain]

eye of ayak best first drop to get

actually insane it gets free charges with each kill

[night zephyr]

Is it just +15 tears on average every delve level you clear?

[craggy cobalt]

Yeah, free tears, and since maging larva is funky I just use it to kill them and it feels way better

[night zephyr]

105 tears everytime you plank at wave 8. would be very nice

[sudden lotus]

thats kinda big actually, especially if they dont fix mage grubs not ignoring cooldown

[night zephyr]

Seems like they made it that you get a similar amount of tears/hour as afking the trees

[burnt lichen]

does this mean I was potentially throwing away uniques

[night zephyr]

Ive been opening mine twice Everytime after wave 1 after seeing the boots clip day 1

Has anyone tested if ursine chainmace bleed gets extra echos from the melee punish hit? I'd assume no because the bleed hitsplats are damage over time after the fact.

[burnt lichen]

do u have a link to that clip lol

did the guy not see it at first, re-open and it appeared?

[tribal igloo]

https://streamable.com/75fu6h

[burnt lichen]

interesting

looks like the value still said 100m

[buoyant sand]

A couple clarifying points, I use ZCB and scobo, no tbow:
• If I'm just farming 1-7, masori for ZCB accuracy (~8%) is probably better than void because of less car-time?
• dragon knives probably not worth it if I just ZCB at start of car phase?

[north axle]

not really eating much mid fight anyway tbh

shark/ppot is going fine

[sturdy smelt]

the arclight

wait thats darklight?

[buoyant sand]

Danklight for the -death fees along with bone scepter, afaik

[sturdy smelt]

ooo

[buoyant sand]

All functionally the same (assuming you're bringing a separate punish wep)

[sturdy smelt]

smart

[night zephyr]

How do you get dark light if you have ember? Can't remember if you can just drop an emberlight or not

[dense ginkgo]

Oh I'm below the threshold already, I should do this

[desert thorn]

drop it

and have 1k coins( hardest part)

[night zephyr]

Awesome gonna go get one and bin purging staff.

My death costs are already 100k. I wonder what they go to

[desert thorn]

i went from 250k to 157k death fee

[burnt lichen]

is it possible to get below 250k if ur using max masori setup

i bet not

[night zephyr]

Prob not

[burnt lichen]

this content is hilarious tho

can u imagine grinding this on a hardcore

currently the gameplay loop involves just spam dying

[night zephyr]

Tbow/scythe/ZCB takes your three. Still have full masori, vambs, and scobo at 5% value

[burnt lichen]

go as far as you can go, die

[night zephyr]

Wave 5 resets on the HC?

[dense ginkgo]

Bringing less than your entire stack of death runes doesn't make a difference right

[north axle]

if i was a hc i would never touch 8 except for Cas tbh

[burnt lichen]

that 6x attack is insanely deathly

[night zephyr]

Probably could push for wave 6 resets on the HC.

[burnt lichen]

i missed a single prayer flick and it hit 57 yesterday

[craggy cobalt]

Did you see my clip earlier where I got maged and ranged on the same tick for a 56

It's just brutal out here

[burnt lichen]

how can u get maged and ranged on the same tick?

[night zephyr]

Anyone know if ZCB is already routed into the GHCIM GM plan?

I'd imagine they go get one for delve if not

[craggy cobalt]

#1393419290589265960 message

theres the clip^

[burnt lichen]

damn wtf

[craggy cobalt]

like idk what I'm supposed to do there lol

I guess proc melee at a different time or something

but like, it definitely felt bad lmao

[burnt lichen]

looks like it was an extra mage attack from the boss

[craggy cobalt]

yea

[burnt lichen]

never seen that before

[ivory ravine]

is there a way to tag the shielded and burrowed versions a different color?

[burnt lichen]

btw, definitely just ignore the grubs

especially melee grubs

[craggy cobalt]

but he normally doesn't attack while he's balling lol

[burnt lichen]

that maybe messed with the boss, esp cuz u were underneath

yea he normally doesn't, other than starting shield phase stuff

[craggy cobalt]

yeah maybe, I think I'm gonna focus 1-8 for a bit, see if I can just get those really clean, wait for people to figure out tech for post 8

tbh even my wave 8s aren't good atm, kinda just wanna bring out the scythe and see if I can speedrun 1-7

[burnt lichen]

post 8 tech is zcb into big tbow hit to skip all mechanics

and if you miss then

[ripe mica]

https://i.imgur.com/BU0DHDl.png My solution to not seeing falling rocks

[dense ginkgo]

Shift right click change tag color

[ripe mica]

With transmog plugin

[fast latch]

what if the rock is invisible

[ripe mica]

Not seen invisible rocks

[fast latch]

well no shadow

[ripe mica]

Fun

[night zephyr]

Really hope "clearing falling rocks after mokha dies" is on the change list next week

[fast latch]

My newest complaint is rng of mokha slamming all your rocks away after racecar

[ripe mica]

Not gone p6 yet

[ivory ravine]

When I do this, it changes both the burrowed and shielded version

[north axle]

on 8 specifically?

[dense ginkgo]

Oh from each other you mean

[ivory ravine]

yeah

[fast latch]

if u tag by name instead of id then the shielded version has (shielded) at the end

[night zephyr]

https://youtu.be/pd6ZJoe4mg0?si=5V0EvEf77v09Zh9w

Skip to 1:00 in

Has anyone seen this?

[fast latch]

maybe it's only possible wiht better indicator

[night zephyr]

It looks buggy, no idea what's going on

Is it the emote??

[fast latch]

ah that's when u put him ontop of a rock

[night zephyr]

Okay he doesn't do an emote on wave 7. Nevermind

Ohhhh so you make sure you place a stone there ahead of time. Click on correct tile to pull his center tile on the stone. And you don't lose any rocks on his first slam

That's actually big for avoiding having no rocks on his last stomp

[fast latch]

I don't think it even has to be center tile cuz I've seen it with a corner rock

[night zephyr]

Interesting

[fast latch]

this will help with the stupid rng slamming rocks away

[burnt lichen]

Bad things about mokha:

1. Damaging rock falls after boss dies (bug)
2. Unpredictable melee shield on early waves (can cause you to waste 5t if you tbow)
3. Melee shield turning on then disabling immediately on later waves sometimes (bug? #1393419290589265960 message)
4. Car phase feeling RNG sometimes with rocks remaining for slam protection (nvm, tech 😮 ? #1393419290589265960 message)
5. Clickboxes (extra bad in combination with mokha's hard hitting melee attack)
6. Shield/grub phase being very frequent, time consuming, boring. Feels terrible when boss is 1 hp and then a shield phase starts
7. Acid spits filling arena being essentially out of your control (and grub spawning location, which can be inconveniently pathing into a corner of dense acid)
8. Waves 8+ being highly variant on amount of damage dealt to skip all mechanics
9. Late wave drop rates do not feel rewarding for the amount of effort
10. Randomness of attacks that can cause bugs, like getting hit with 2 opposite style projectiles on the same tick rarely, as shown in a clip by River #1393419290589265960 message
11. Spell delay on grubs, while melee/range are 0t

lmk if i missed anything

[night zephyr]

Also big for having as much blowpipe uptime as possible if you aren't tbowing.

[night zephyr]

Number 4 solved

[burnt lichen]

what's the solve?

[fast latch]

it's like there's no cooldown on what he can b2b so he can just shield over and over again

[night zephyr]

Vid above/my write up

[signal cipher]

greg has come such a long way with pvm

really cool to see man

[north axle]

being allowed to melee too soon after blue phase imo

I'm gonna try webweav\

[night zephyr]

I'd add randomness of rockfall. But might be a skill issue You can move 3 tiles away from the rock on your character and still get hit.

[burnt lichen]

could u clarify what blue phase is

[north axle]

shield

[burnt lichen]

i think it is a bit of a skill issue but its really fast reaction time

I wrote up a guide for folks for wave 8 dodging

Wave 8+ double rock flicking guide:

1. When first rock pops, re-position to dodge debris
2. When second rock pops, click first prayer
3. On the next tick, click second prayer and click to move on a safe tile
4. Do the rest of the flicks

In video:
tick 12463: second rock pops, click range pray
tick 12464: click mage pray AND click to move to safe tile
tick 12465: rest of flicks etc....

[dense ginkgo]

I feel like with 4 maybe there's a specific way to lure him that'll help

[burnt lichen]

yea that's what matt was mentioning in this video: #1393419290589265960 message

[night zephyr]

3/4 of my wave 8 attempts I've done I've got the melee punish hit shield coming up, so haven't been able to try this :(

[fast latch]

another annoyance is the way he can insta melee when u pop last grub in melee distance

[craggy cobalt]

Yeah your number 6 is my biggest gripe, I'd rather have the shield reduced and extra HP added to the boss instead. If they cleaned up the earthen shield special then I wouldn't mind doing it every time if the demonic shield phase were shorter.

[night zephyr]

Should I just be ready to do a melee hit as rocks are coming out and sac the DPS?

[dense ginkgo]

I'd also personally add that he has a hard hitting melee auto to the hit box problem (wouldn't be nearly as frustrating if you just missed ticks) and no influence over where grubs spawn from to the acid randomness (if you could control this then I don't think random acid would be so bad)

[night zephyr]

He also melees a lot faster than every 5 ticks if you are within range right? I swore I got 30-30ed accidentally stepping under once

Like whisperer melee kinda timing

[burnt lichen]

yea its like 2t or something

[night zephyr]

Yeah seems like it was 2t or 1t, but if he just did a projectile auto he still has a 5t cooldown to melee if you stand next to him after.

Either that or he just starts meleeing if you are next to him for more than 1 tick

[fast latch]

oh a 0 from scobo doesn't cancel the charge

[burnt lichen]

https://streamable.com/tbw1dt

this is hilarious LOL

[fast latch]

nvm I'm hella tripped up

[burnt lichen]

he is just getting completely fucked

hahahah

[fast latch]

the identical animations fuck with me

[night zephyr]

There's a guy that posted on Reddit that got even more screwed.

[fast latch]

that's a great example of how he can just do the same attack b7b

[night zephyr]

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/s/xKU9Pvamfn

Threw in the melee punish shield everytime to make it worse

[desert thorn]

Lol that seems a little overturned

[night zephyr]

Did you claim to inventory?

[north axle]

yes

I think I found a bug it says I need 10000 tears but I only have 1378

[night zephyr]

That's just saying the total not how much more you need then?

Like it's just stating it requires this stuff to craft it.

[north axle]

feels like a bug that I only have 1378 of these shits

[deft estuary]

What's the web weaver for?

[north axle]

dps spec on the car phase

[deft estuary]

Aha

[night zephyr]

Time to 25 minute log at the tear woodcutting spot after Everytime you get off

[dense ginkgo]

Doom is 5t normally right? I wonder if for TBow users it's worth offsetting your auto the way you would at BH so you can react to the melee shield on early waves

[desert thorn]

Is that a thing

[desert thorn]

10k

[verbal edge]

its not that hard to farm tears once you start claiming instead of sending until you die

can probably get a few thousand an hour

[craggy cobalt]

it's so funny that the base loot is so trash you really do just send until you die

I never am tempted to claim non-unique loot lol

[verbal edge]

the aether is nice

the rest is garbage

[dense ginkgo]

teleports

also splinters

[night zephyr]

I'm only tempted to claim splinters because I started charging my quiver here without realizing I don't need to.

And idk if I lose my corruption % if I uncharge it

[dense ginkgo]

you do

[dense ginkgo]

and can't forget...

[night zephyr]

Damn so maybe I commit to un charging it before it's too late

I don't have any megas to send Colo.

Just say RIP to 2000 splinters I've spent

[north axle]

I would add to this that it feels a little bullshit that the objectively hardest mechanic is in the range of being skipped if you have good enough dps. Higher dps is already rewarded by a shorter fight/higher kph overall, the hardest mechanic doesn't also need to be backloaded

I think it'd make more sense to swap the first shield and first orb timing around

[night zephyr]

I would add it's complete bullshit, not a little

[remote bear]

does the racecar stop in fixed points near the edge of the map? like will the eye always appear in the same few locations

[wispy knot]

Ngl depth 5 is smashing my nuts

Too much going on lmao

[craggy cobalt]

I wish they would add HP to the boss. Even people in max should have to go through at least one full rotation of special attacks, skipping earthen shield should be possible but rare.

Melee shield break:
This should interrupt your attack like the demonic shield transition does. Can just add a new NPC ID to do this. It feels very RNG when you fire right after it happens and just stand around for 3 seconds waiting to hit.

Demonic shield:
Fix maging the larva. Add a 50% floor hit to the demonic weapons, so that the phase is slightly shorter, but less so if you're using this time to brew up.

[rustic palm]

didnt know they added endi to varla p3

kinda sick

[fickle bobcat]

doesnt it fill your inv with regular logs

[fast latch]

it's pretty slow, like 20 minutes for your inv

[leaden vault]

wow i noodled so hard on wave 7 it did earthen shield before going car

[ripe mica]

Got the bug now as well where 2 hits hit me same tick lol

[wary oriole]

does the doom have the same npc id when it's doing the shield attack as when it's doing the melee break

[craggy cobalt]

no

[fast latch]

no melee break is same id as regular doom

shield is 14708

[wary oriole]

Those two having the same exact animation except for the protection prayers is so dumb

[vapid lintel]

where do you type this into better npc highlight? "14713:1" for example. i was playing with customization/presets for the first time for like an hour last nght and couldn't figure it out.

[tawny kelp]

You can do this sort of thing

can also put it in the chat: !tagtt cow:2

[craggy cobalt]

sorry for the long screenshot, but basically put the IDs in the "True Tile IDs" section and then set up your preset colors in the "Presets" tab

[nimble crest]

are there npc ids for every shockwave pillar thingy

[vapid lintel]

long screenshot is great, ty. i've always just typed ids in there but was struggling with presets. ty

[sudden lotus]

anyone here see gnome's rock block tiles? Think it'll get patched?

[north axle]

I love how if you hit it on the tick it fills

it still hits you a 99

[tired lotus]

I haven't seen anyone post gnome's new vid but for the non-shitters getting to 6+, car is 100% accuracy and there is predictable pathing for boulders

[hollow depot]

[sudden lotus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLFV4RF5XPE

car phase /rock block were of particular interest to me, there are prompts for when to move/pray to make rocks land consistently and not miss flicks

[north axle]

is it just the hotcheli tiles?

[sudden lotus]

can probably safely ignore math on zcb/dnkives dps, i think its bad. however punish comments also seem insightful

[sudden lotus]

i'm not sure - he claims that he worked those out with his wife

the goal seems to have been to set up rocks, bait car and prompt when to pray with a single movement in order to make car/slams consistent

then you're positioned to maximise dps during 100% accuracy phase so you can give yourself a chance to not have to deal with protection orb phase

[north axle]

i only have 900 d knives 🤔

[sudden lotus]

idt theyre that good wiz

zcb is better assuming it does full damage - gnome's pinned a comment correcting his own math

[craggy cobalt]

I did math earlier, Dknife speccing is only significantly better than BP if you also bring buckler

[sudden lotus]

Pinned by @GnomonkeyRS
@GnomonkeyRS
44 minutes ago
With the help of Muffyn and Pecanbread to fix this up a bit, I was wrong on the calcs with ZCB and Dknives because of a lost tbow shot and flat damage. Dknives DO have the potential to do more damage but the average is much lower.

Depending on boss HP threshholds and spec thresholds Dknives could be better, but if you have 75% spec, ZCB is always better.

ZCB is 10% better
Dknives are still AMAZING for budget setups and you should bring this if you have no spec weapons

[crystal lark]

Nox said in the chat that they were going to look at it and perhaps patch it on Wednesday

[sudden lotus]

rip

it is a bit op though tbh

[hollow depot]

what is the alternative to dknives as an iron tho

[north axle]

bp?

[hollow depot]

[sudden lotus]

bp seems like it'd be best yeah - its just a td really

[crystal lark]

Blowpipe can sustain ddarts as well through drops

[north axle]

does bp even beat tbow?

[craggy cobalt]

I think BP specs did

image not entirely accurate, but should be closish

[hollow depot]

would it be worth sending bp specs over something like hammer in this scenario, not sure what that math looks like

(not hammer during car, at beginning of kill)

[sudden lotus]

gunning down car with bp seems uncontroversial considering how much time you spend in car phase no?

only other spec you'd consider using is zcb and that's hp dependent

[hollow depot]

i see

[sudden lotus]

if no zcb i guess an opening defence reducing spec could help non-car phase dps with scobo?

then hope you can death charge your spec back up in time for car phase to use with bp

[hollow depot]

i feel like maybe i could get 2 double dc before car if i dc at beginning

and then enough for 1 bp spec

or send 1 hammer regardless since id be back to 100% by car

[sudden lotus]

1 bp spec is better than 0 bp spec 🙂

[weary garden]

So is tech now to bring a bp for car phase?

As a budget item*

[hollow depot]

i was also concerned about range being an issue, but i think the tech with shockwave kinda alleviates that too, huh

[night zephyr]

Has anyone payed attention to car phase starting HP on their vods?

Trying to see if you can get a deep proc into car phase to start it with like 60% HP.

i.e., if you waited at 80% hp for a melee punish and then chally specced to start the shield phase.

[sudden lotus]

block rocks place you exactly 4 tiles away from car's stopping point so bp/knives work

[night zephyr]

Would help with budget setups avoiding the earthen shield a lot

[hollow depot]

so is chally dead content now

[fallow terrace]

^had the same q and if we don’t have scythe what should we use instead?

[sudden lotus]

only because the second hitsplat requires spec, and that detracts from 100% accu dps

[hollow depot]

yea

[sudden lotus]

dual macs seem like they are 2nd best option after scy, just bc 2nd splat doesnt require spec

bonus is that you might be able to keep emberlight in bank and kill melee grubs with macs

[north axle]

well i got kc

i didnt actually use the gnom tiles tbh

they are harder to use than he made it seem ngl

[hollow depot]

i think i would bring both, i think ember is kind of cozy for shield to reset his meter

[north axle]

this was just good dps

[hollow depot]

but you can just 1t back to scobo i suppose

i think less on the mental stack here is nice qol

[night zephyr]

Chally isn't dead content if you don't have a ZCB or scythe

[sudden lotus]

doesn't punish stop being a thing after w5?

[night zephyr]

Because even if you are using blowpipe you are only using that 5+. And you will only need one chally spec post wave 5 anyway.

[north axle]

no

but you dotn see it if you dps enough

generally

[night zephyr]

You'll only need one big melee punish wave 5+ if you have chally or scythe

[kind sandal]

So these drops seem pretty rare

[night zephyr]

So you would be back at 100 by the time you get to car phase

[wary oriole]

this shockwave tech seems like bait for d8

standing over there baiting rocks and he does shield break and boulders, gl

just get me out of that first phase asap

honestly tanking a stomp doesnt even matter its 30 damage

i'm dying with 4 brews every time anyway

[craggy cobalt]

Alright so pivotal moment here

I already have an eye, do I test to see if right click descend puts a warning out for valuable loot?

[leaden vault]

🫡

[merry lotus]

[craggy cobalt]

Too much of a baby, if it weren't wave 8 on the back of a tragic last tick 99 splat from failed demon shield I'd do it

Any other wave and it would have been a descend angle

[night zephyr]

Anyone posted pecans banger of a guide here yet?

https://youtu.be/XMWS9U_bKhA?si=vjpQAadqh0utJ7nA

Actually simplified wave 8 so much if you think about it how he lays it out

[fast latch]

now I just need to actually get the skip

[night zephyr]

He shows at end how you can accomplish it reasonably without skipping

[north axle]

you test if you can bring two eyes at once

and farm 2x tears

[sturdy smelt]

New port vid...

26 eyes in inv

[vapid lintel]

did they patch this car phase tech? where u bait the eye onto a rock and it cant break any rocks in the room or damage you

[fallow terrace]

i just tried it and it sent out a wave while on the rock lol

[vapid lintel]

yeah same. i think the vid was saying it will still shockwave, but wont damage u or destroy rocks

but i was getting damaged

[hollow depot]

towards the end he added something that says if you damage him or thrall does damage as hes moving it will destroy the rock

[kind sandal]

Just don't attack during the slide animation and ur good

[vapid lintel]

i missed that, thanks both

so no thralls until after car?

[fallow terrace]

mhm i didnt attack during slide animation again but still got a wave :S

[craggy cobalt]

cooking, going to try this tomorrow

I got like 2500 tears passively today, granted I did a lot of delve but it stacks up pretty quick

and it makes me feel less bad about planking wave 8/9 lol

[wary oriole]

what determines whteer the larva explosion damages you

[craggy cobalt]

if you're next to it and if it's not next to the boss

[dense ginkgo]

I could've sworn it also damaged me by exploding as the boss was changing forms but I wasn't recording

[north axle]

no

you got meleed

[craggy cobalt]

you might have gotten invisible meleed if you were next to the boss as he gets out of demon shield

[dense ginkgo]

fun

good to know

[leaden vault]

fucking finally

[night zephyr]

Here's to hoping that gnomonkey is very dry

[arctic niche]

hows the consistensy on wave 8 with scobo?

[leaden vault]

i think scobo is fine being able to skip orb phase with knives was the big part

[proven owl]

i wonder if they balanced loot around ppl being able to clear wave 15s or so before banking

it would make sense and just buff it if nobody can do wave 9

loot seems relatively fine tho from my clans tiny sample size, feels a bit more rare than yama but not crazy

[night zephyr]

Funny part about that is even with all the content creators pushing for rec. We haven't seen a drop from 8+

So it's not even drastically more common most likely

[stuck cape]

powered staff doesn't have the delay fyi, though it does have the non-demonbane eye

maybe eye works

[proven owl]

i could try it i guess, i bring the staff regardless

[leaden vault]

only eye has no delay or all staves?

[proven owl]

i thought someone alrdy said it didnt work but might as well test for myself

[stuck cape]

all powered staffs have no autocast delay, so u can hit a grub right after hitting the boss

or i mean, its the same as maracas

[proven owl]

ye eye didnt 1 shot grub

[night zephyr]

I mean if you do a 5t attack (tbow) and then attack a grub with eye immediately, it attacks zero tick still but creates a 3t attack delay. If you create the 3t attack delay in 2 ticks. You would still go off cool down at the normal time from your original tbow shot?

[stuck cape]

not 1shot elyas

[night zephyr]

I'm guessing that's what boaty meant about using dual maccas correctly

[stuck cape]

im wondering if it's 0tick like emberlight, or if it's like maracas and takes your attack cooldown

[proven owl]

doesnt rly seem worth the effort to me personally but maybe it could work

[north axle]

are you using the gnomonkey knife shit?

i guess i might as well try it tbh

[night zephyr]

Maccas makes sense for pushing rec because you get +1 inv slot. But eye doesn't save an inv slot for those people

[north axle]

i couldnt get the gnomonkey tech to work

[proven owl]

the main issue is you have to afk for 10 years for rocks to spawn

[onyx raven]

i couldnt get it to work either

[proven owl]

works very well for wave 8 tho

[onyx raven]

it just destroys the rock if the eye lands on it

[proven owl]

if ur rock is destroyed that means u fucked it up

[wary oriole]

can't wait for jagex to ruin the update when they announce that the rates barely change going past the tier the unique drops at

[night zephyr]

And the reddit outrage wouldn't be there to save us because they can't even get above wave 6 :((

[wary oriole]

can we fuck the noobs hard just once for old times sake

its been too long

jagex just caves every time now

[night zephyr]

Thought I just got hacked

Logged into varrock West bank naked. Forgot I went and bought the dark light on mobile after work and banked everything

[north axle]

you still believe wave 8+ has a droprate

[night zephyr]

Yeah I don't believe.

Has to be bugged to zero or the rarity scaled in the opposite direction intended

[onyx raven]

what am i missing here dont u just bait the eye onto the rock

[fallow terrace]

same thing happened to me

[leaden vault]

im just sending 4 knife specs during car since its like 20dps

[proven owl]

watch the video lol he specifically goes over that example

[north axle]

this keeps happenign to me

as well

[onyx raven]

what example

[north axle]

this is the exact thing gnom does

same shit

[night zephyr]

Friendly reminder to reset your left click from tele to equip on your skull sceptre (signed, someone who has to run back to doom)

[merry lotus]

why the skull scepter and not say a slayer staff

[night zephyr]

+1 bank slot

no need for a slayer staff in the bank