Osto-Ayak (Doom of Mokhaiotl)

[compact shuttle]

just something to autocast demonbane i think

[sturdy smelt]

You definitely want them

But I'm not sure if you need them

[thorny reef]

okay

[arctic niche]

u can prob manual cast but that sounds much harder

[thorny reef]

I got tbow 2 synapse

[sturdy smelt]

it seems most people are doing range strats atm, during which you want scobo

[compact shuttle]

tbow also pumps

[weary garden]

If no tbow then I’m assuming the play is to main scobow?

[sturdy smelt]

Does tbow work for the charge up attack though?

scobo seems to knock the charge down

[compact shuttle]

probably need both

[coral basalt]

Guess I'll be AFKing some Sarachnis if I need p++ for dragon arrows

[sturdy smelt]

Has to be

But I'm sure within like a day someone will figure out melee flinching strats

[main briar]

1 seems fine

[sturdy smelt]

Then scythe will probably win

[night zephyr]

Scythe when people get good at the boss

I like that

[sturdy smelt]

noobtype 2nd

[desert thorn]

if u dont have a sythe melee is just not worth no?

considering tbow

[sturdy smelt]

Haven't rly seen anyone be successful with melee yet

But that might change as ppl learn mechanics

[main briar]

Anything melee other than inq+scy seems worse than tbow based on dps calc, unless there's some hidden mechanic etc

[signal cipher]

me on the day of tob release

[desert thorn]

will see

the stats remain the same trough all waves?

[proven owl]

is inq scy significantly better or small enough that ppl will still range if its easier

[main briar]

5% with def reduction, 2% without

with max for both

[proven owl]

okay thats nothing if it makes the fight significantly more difficult

[desert thorn]

maybe he gets more range defence on some phases or smth?

like yama on enrage

[main briar]

Who knows

[night zephyr]

Could see that

[proven owl]

i cant believe they actually made a 3 synapse fight tho

that's toxic as fuck

[main briar]

Don't think it really is

whats wrong with arclight

[desert thorn]

doesnt look as cool

[proven owl]

i think the hit is guaranteed so it would be a damage loss but not sure how much

[main briar]

which hit

[compact shuttle]

what is purging staff needed for?

[proven owl]

i havent actually done the boss i just saw newtype run up and smack it and i think i heard him say it was guaranteed to hit

[leaden vault]

when he prays mage/range the emberlight hit is guranteed and stops his charge up

[wise spire]

is there anything other than purging that can autocast demonbane?

[night zephyr]

Surely you could just use a slayer staff/master wand for autocastigj demonbane

[leaden vault]

blue moon spear

[wise spire]

people are saying manual cast works

so just use another weapon

[night zephyr]

Autocast is nice though

Plenty to choose from

I think it's a 1 demonbane req

(scobo)

Arclight works fine just less damage, and should be able to use a different staff

I'm yapping btw, but not sure if anyone's tested. I would think that's how it works

Would be really weird if they introduced a new effect of the demonbane trio just for this boss. We still have regular demonbane for melee/mage outside of ember/purging. Scobo is the only ranged demonbane I believe.

[wise spire]

what happens if you let the grubs reach the boss?

[north axle]

Can you just use arclight, skull sceptre?

And scobow

That'd probably work tbh

[night zephyr]

That's what I am thinking

Skull Sceptre, slayer staff, master wand, blue moon, ahrim staff can all auto cast

[sour copper]

Sotd for the 15% magic damage as well right?

[night zephyr]

They have 2 HP, so if theory is correct you shouldn't even need it

Unless it has a max hit threshold to hit a 2 instead of a 1

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/s/BrO3wD8RLk

This is cool for before you get the teleport

[arctic niche]

oh big brain didint even think of that

[feral rock]

Someone got staff from a level 3 delve

[clear edge]

how does the moving shield work

like i have to shoot 3 of the stone things but how exactly does it determine path

[north axle]

Isn't the teleport tradable

I assumed it was consumable

[sturdy smelt]

I think its between the ones you shoot

So if you shoot like 1------------23

It's going to move left to right in a line

pretty sure you can just shoot 2

Atleast looks like it sometimes when I've watched

[winged minnow]

should i just ignore the mage grubs, feels like im not getting attack delay ignore on those with demonbane spells but no purging unlike the others unless im just being stupid

[buoyant rose]

is it actaully 3 synapse requirement

or is it soft requirement in the sense you can do the slayer staff tech

[sturdy smelt]

I think anyone saying demonbane no purging was purely speculating so far

Haven't seen any yet personally

[main briar]

dont see any reason ember is required

[winged minnow]

ignoring them just seems to cause it to regain a little hp and do small damage on u doesnt it

so as long as u kill 2 types its not horrible

[buoyant rose]

ember 1shots the shield no?

[main briar]

does arclight?

[winged minnow]

thing that felt rough on delve 5 was like

meleeing grubs felt a bit off the table

but maging them wasn't getting delay ignores

[tired lotus]

Super glad I grinded out the third synapse. Now I just need the rest of masori to drop and I have the setup most people are running. Sorta.

[limpid badger]

does anyone want to test using holy water instead of scobow on range grubs

[sturdy smelt]

[buoyant rose]

guess nothing changes about routing kind of

looks very hard to do in scuffed gear

not like yama which was free

[tired lotus]

Interested to see how it shakes up over the week because I’m not planning on many attempts.

Seems like wave 6 is doable in good gear and higher gets hard.

(Call me on bs I’ve just been watching streams in the background)

[main briar]

Ig i revert ember and make scobo

[limpid badger]

test holy water

[main briar]

cba

[tired lotus]

Get third synapse it’s easy

[main briar]

Why though

gonna be a giga minor diff

if arclight also 1shots

[limpid badger]

I'd rather do that than grind jellies for another arclight charge next time you want ember

[main briar]

I can swap another 15 time or so

we gud

[tired lotus]

I used 40k charges getting my first synapse but gl

[night zephyr]

I see no reason for them to add another new mechanic to the demonbane BIS trio specifically. Surely it's just demonbane itself that works

[tired lotus]

Does darklight work on its own?

[night zephyr]

They didn't for Yama, just utilized the existing demonbane mechanics

[tired lotus]

Or punching with holy wraps

[main briar]

[mighty rain]

the masori gamers win

[signal cipher]

i didnt realize b claws were demonbane

[dense ginkgo]

only a bit

[night zephyr]

B claw scratching the grubs to save arclight charges

[north axle]

Maybe you burn claw spec the doom boss

When you are forced to melee him

[night zephyr]

That could be big

If they all max

[winged minnow]

oh maybe there is no delay with skull sceptre after all

its just the initally delay on attacks that u dont have with other 2 instead

that makes it feel like it

seem to be able to instantly attack doom after still

[night zephyr]

Crap I hope that bclaw tech doesn't work. I don't want to have to go back to TDs

Thought I got away with this one

[plucky turret]

whats the shield thing

is that when he charges the big attack?

[night zephyr]

I wonder if you can scobo spec him when he turns into the racecar

[desert thorn]

So its a tbow + ember + scobo + purging staff angle, with ralos as spec

at least right now

[night zephyr]

We think you can use arclight/a random demonbane autocast staff as well

[desert thorn]

I have all so no problem

Only thing i do not have is ralos

[plucky turret]

just finished the quest and was fucking around for a bit but one hit with the quest weapon and he stopped charging

[signal cipher]

rich guy over here

[desert thorn]

damn im so glad i spoon every content i touch

[plucky turret]

time to make dinner now but just yapping

[desert thorn]

this is awesome

[dense ginkgo]

is it Leviathan time

is Venator Ring good now

[plucky turret]

didnt get a reply so just throwing it out there

[desert thorn]

how this looks for first kcs

Im so sorry i dont have rangers

My fault

[main briar]

Probably+some spec weapon but that's basically what I was running

[heady flicker]

I think a elder maul 1 way still might be worth? Not sure

[deft estuary]

purging staff amust?

[heady flicker]

No, any staff that autocasts it

[main briar]

Oh any autocast works?

[thorny reef]

tried my luck at a 3rd xd

[night zephyr]

I guess I'm gonna be spamming scobo specs for burn damage.

[tired lotus]

How much worse is scobo than tbow?

[night zephyr]

No DWH/maul. And no melee switch bclaws/voidwaker don't seem like they'd be very good

Like 1-1.5 DPS worse

[tired lotus]

Nice so I’m masori mask and legs from having a decent setup minus ralos/zcb

(Cope)

[compact shuttle]

so dwh is worth taking?

[night zephyr]

Has anyone tried void calc?

Doesn't seem like defence matters

[north axle]

Treads don't appear in the chest unless you click the hole twice

[night zephyr]

I'll have to calc elite void vs my masori mask/barrows gloves/crystal. I'm assuming void is better

[north axle]

The ge value does update properly

But if you only look at the items you can miss it

[night zephyr]

Wild

[tired lotus]

That’s actually hilarious

[main briar]

https://streamable.com/75fu6h

[compact shuttle]

cmon jagex

[north axle]

Is this sax?

[night zephyr]

Think so, looks like the clip he showed gnomonkey

[wise spire]

ok so update on the synapse thing

you can kill them without pruging staff, but it has attack dely

the synapse weapons will reset your attack delay

greater demons back on the menu boys

[burnt lichen]

delve 7 record

[thorn mist]

but i'm watching someone on twitch and sang is 1t against them?

[wise spire]

you still have 1t after hitting them yes

but with purging you can 1t the attack before you click the grub

so click boss, oh hey grub is in position lemme just click it immediately and then back to boss

don't have to stop attacking or worry about "oops I 5t'd the boss, now that grub is going through"

[violet moat]

Good spec weapon other than zcb?

[night zephyr]

I think I'll just be spamming scobo specs for burn damage

[umbral vigil]

are you telling me I actually need to get a 3rd synapse

[wise spire]

jokes on me, apparently purging doesn't get the delay skip either

gotta be a bug or something

[main briar]

Don't think so at all no\

[wise spire]

ember and scobo get it

[umbral vigil]

I was thinking SOTD w/ autocast would be fine w/ scobo/ember

[main briar]

sotd/arclight/scobo seems fine init? and a 2nd is just bonus

[plucky turret]

whats the ember for

[violet moat]

would dwh or ember be better spec for defence reduction?

[night zephyr]

Prob dwh

[main briar]

Surely dwh right? but when in doubt

!dps

[grizzled comet]

Think it makes more sense to grab masori or treads first?

[violet moat]

or are those needed at all with tbow?

[night zephyr]

Someone wanna calc masori vs elite void?

Please :)

[wise spire]

!dps

my guy

[night zephyr]

Mobile calcs suck I'm at work

[main briar]

dammit carl

[night zephyr]

Thought I could rope the guy in that still needs masori

(I also need it, would love to delay ToA until the end of time)

[main briar]

idk I'll fix it eventually

[high crow]

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Alright madasheck, I'll remind you in 4 days about:

check carl tags

[limber finch]

With what weapon?

[night zephyr]

Scobo amethyst or rune

[limber finch]

Max ranged otherwise?

[night zephyr]

Yeah can assume that

I think we all could extrapolate from there if the gap is big enough

[limber finch]

With dragon arrows void wins

[night zephyr]

Heck yeah.

Screw ToA

Thank you

[limber finch]

Wait the stats on the wiki changed

Now it’s saying all the ranged defenses are 160?

[night zephyr]

Oh I see that

Weird edit. Not even for a specific delve. I wouldn't think the first one would have randomly made it 20 off

160 would prob start making masori better too for the accuracy

[night zephyr]

Okay that's not bad though

Surely elite void is way better than my 1 masori piece no vambs. I'll calc my individual setup after work though

[thorn mist]

hey what dps calc is that?

[limber finch]

I made a custom monster bc the NPC list isn’t updated

[thorn mist]

oh alr

how do u make a custom monster?

nvm

i see it

[limber finch]

This should also work https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=PollenWesterBottomless

Already has the custom NPC set up^

[night zephyr]

Sick link thank you

I couldn't make a custom on mobile

[thorn mist]

i guess defense reduction is broken with custom npcs tho?

[thorn mist]

cuz upping bgs damage or ralos hits does nothing

[night zephyr]

Quiver/venator accuracy help a bit despite no max hit from them in void

Lightbearer camp seems fine though

(charged quiver) no idea about uncharged

[limber finch]

Yeah it’s a bug, the defense value gets overridden by whatever’s in the stat box

[thorn mist]

void's a little better if you hit ralos and a little worse if u miss

with amethyst arrows and lb camp

amethyst, lightbearer, ralos hit

ralos hits pretty often i think but let me calc that..

[night zephyr]

Make sense.

If you have ZCB I think you'd just use that over ralos

[limber finch]

I assume def reduction gets reset between levels?

[thorn mist]

yeah only 500 hp boss and the ralos def shred is capped at 30

then again

ur almost guaranteed to get def to 60 (should be like 50%ish chance to see 60 def, like 37%ish chance to see 30 def, like 13% chance to see 90 def)

and takes your dps from 9.9 to 11.0 in void

so ralos over zcb is somewhat valid

[arctic niche]

do u not get delay reduction if u attack a grub with mage without purg staff?

like do u need purg staff to get best effect

[limber finch]

That’s assuming there’s no def reduction cap (no idea if that’s true but having a cap has been pretty common recently)

Anyone know if reduction is uncapped?

[thorn mist]

no that does assume there's a cap of 60

if there is no cap ralos should own

idk for sure on any of this tho, i just looked at wiki and it said 90 def, 30 def reduction cap so 60 best possible

[limber finch]

Oh I missed that, gotcha

[thorn mist]

without a cap ralos would zero it pretty often if you spec twice

[arctic niche]

oh so we gotta get a 3rd synpase?

[thorn mist]

also wow scobow is pretty bad compared to tbow damn

[limber finch]

Yeah tbow op

[arctic niche]

did anyoe check bp

[thorn mist]

really doesn't seem to matter much at all

from what i've watched

[night zephyr]

It's got enough defence that I don't think bp will be good

[arctic niche]

do ppl just ignore mage grubs then or deal with delay?

[thorn mist]

well we know for sure that any weapon has no attack delay AFTER hitting the grub, so that's that

but niah claimed synapse weps clear your attack delay from BEFORE hitting the grub

i have my doubts about this, but even if it's true, since u wait for grubs to be near the boss to kill em anyway, i don't see big importance of not having atk delay from before the grub anyway

[arctic niche]

why wait to kill?

[thorn mist]

they hit the boss for 100 if they die next to it

well idk

if the synapse weps have that special attack delay thing i guess they're not nothing, but it's still pretty much nothing

it rly doesn't seem like it from watching streams tho

coulda sworn i just saw this guy emberlight the boss -> sang a grub with no delay

[north axle]

Oh lmao that explains why my kcs were so slow

20 minute long grub phase while 6ting the bow

[limber finch]

What setups are those numbers for?

[thorn mist]

tbow ammy lb rest max

[main briar]

Can you not do that with arclight?

[thorn mist]

well it doesn't really matter cuz niah's claim is that the weapon you use on the grub changes your attack delay from before hitting the grub

i think that's just not true tho the more i watch

damn maybe i should do this quest and stop armchair gaming

i'm p sure synapse weps just don't matter here

[night zephyr]

Fellow armchair at work checking in

[limber finch]

Idk if the TTK reduction is enough to be better than just deleting 110 HP but maybe on later levels? Kinda here though, they both seem pretty good (with void, at least)

[thorn mist]

honestly i just don't know how the fight works, but if it becomes significantly more intense at lower hp lvls i think ralos would be better

[night zephyr]

ZCB early and ralos + ZCB when you can at like delve 7+ would make sense

[thorn mist]

also realistically for wave 8 i think u should open with ralos + surge pot zcb

[limber finch]

Yeah same I’m just going off very basic info

[night zephyr]

I'm gonna guess most irons are doing this boss pre ralos and pre ZCB though

[limber finch]

Yeah I have neither lol

[night zephyr]

Scobo spec spam should be a decent DPS increase from the burn damage

[thorn mist]

dwh should be alr too

i wonder how much worse than ralos it even is with a 1way

let me see

[sturdy smelt]

how are you lowering the charge attack

without a synapse weapon

[thorn mist]

i mean yea it's still 70% accurate without a scp

[sturdy smelt]

isnt that effect only with demon stuff like scobo?

[night zephyr]

You'd just scobo.

1 synapse is definitely needed

[sturdy smelt]

right but the comment was synapse weapons not mattering, thats what confused me

ig I misunderstood context

[thorn mist]

no my bad i mistyped, i meant just in terms of the grubs

i also don't know if what i typed is true at all lol i am just watching streams and making guesses

[plucky turret]

pretty sure the quest weapon also does it

[sturdy smelt]

oo nice

[arctic niche]

imo just tbow really

[night zephyr]

Big for the zeah only irons

[arctic niche]

it looks fun af though but u are kinda screwed without some really high lvl items

[thorn mist]

big for me with no emberlight and 0 ancient shards...

[night zephyr]

No way you get tbow before going for these upgrades

[sturdy smelt]

idk, ppl got drops from like wave 3

[night zephyr]

Gloves and boots will be huge for cox

[sturdy smelt]

You could do the first few waves in scrub gear

[thorn mist]

hmm what makes u say that?

it's pretty accessible i think

[arctic niche]

ye i doubt its rare enough for it to matter

[thorn mist]

i mean scobow is a fine main weapon here

[arctic niche]

tbow is insanely strong here

[thorn mist]

that alone makes it hella accessible

not rly

[sturdy smelt]

just bc everyone you see is using full masori and tbow doesnt mean you need it

[thorn mist]

i mean this isn't like yama where the lvl 70 demonbane weps are hard bis

[night zephyr]

Scobo seems serviceable enough.

[thorn mist]

but compared to any other content i would call it accessible

[arctic niche]

its legit a trident vs shadow gap at places ppl complai

[thorn mist]

megas make less diff here than like toa or cm for example

no trident v shadow gap is like +70% dps diff

this is like +-10%

[limber finch]

Think my setup based on what I’ve seen so far would be void + scobo with an elder maul switch for specs?

[sturdy smelt]

void seems interesting

does def matter?

[night zephyr]

Void melee helm swap for the maul specs

[thorn mist]

i think given how cracked eye of ayak is ppl will do this boss earlyish

[thorn mist]

we calced it a bit above

[night zephyr]

We calced void earlier it good

[limber finch]

Yep gives me +2% accuracy on the spec

[sturdy smelt]

oo nice nice

[thorn mist]

it's about equivalent to full masori, it's a little better if you hit ralos and a little worse if you don't

[night zephyr]

Mainly for the TOA avoiders though if you have max

[thorn mist]

but ralos is nearly guaranteed with 2 specs and like 85% chance to hit at least 1 splat with just 1 spec

[arctic niche]

ye i agree it looks to fun not to do either imo

[sturdy smelt]

whats the damage taken diff like though

could definitely matter in sustain content

[limber finch]

Elder maul with scb and a void melee helm switch for me is 85% accuracy

[arctic niche]

i was just saying id rather have tbow then zcb if i really felt like getting something before mokha

[night zephyr]

I have not seen the boss missing much at all

[thorn mist]

no clue on that but i don't rly see the boss doing any off pray 0s so

[sturdy smelt]

Yeah fair

[wispy knot]

void+scobo, emberlight specs, purging+demonbane to pop adds then?

[thorn mist]

not sure about the emberlight specs part

but yeah

[limber finch]

Feel like ember specs are not great yeah

[thorn mist]

think that'll be most people's setup otherwise

[limber finch]

Stab accuracy + only 15% reduction

[wispy knot]

don't really have any other def specs yet

[thorn mist]

i think you're better off with dwh and if not, just scobow spam it for the burn

[sturdy smelt]

scobo spec for burn

[wispy knot]

at worst, theres bone dagger but then it's bone dagger

[night zephyr]

The burn adds up

Prob just gonna have to be smart about spec timing cause of the shield phase

[sturdy smelt]

nubtype good on supplies on 7 atm

[rotund raven]

is this boss even possible without demonbane

[limber finch]

Hm looks like emberlight might be better for me

[night zephyr]

Melee makes it considerably harder

And there's phases where you can't attack with melee

[thorn mist]

tbf i've never seen the meta not eventually shift to highest dps option though

[limber finch]

Ah yeah then it’s scobo for me

[worn hazel]

How good is tve staff compared to shadow?

[arctic niche]

someone calced to that melee was prob gona be around ammy arrow scobo to

might as well scobo

[thorn mist]

i wonder if i'll end up scything or tbowing this guy

scythe looks great tho

[night zephyr]

If you have scythe but no tbow I could see you meleeing

[sturdy smelt]

some robofly will come soon

[night zephyr]

But if you are on ember vs scobo I think it's gonna be better to just scobo

[limber finch]

Yeah without def reduction they’re about the same for me, but if I elder maul spec, ember is like 5% better

[night zephyr]

He's 5 tick too right?

[limber finch]

Ah yeah then that’s shit

[night zephyr]

So your 5% is gone there from having to do stepbacks

[thorn mist]

i have both and i bet i'll end up meleeing it

lookin at calcs

melee is a good bit better

while learning range tho for sure

[night zephyr]

Yeah I agree

[main briar]

Hmm it didn't seem to be when i did it

At least without full inq

[night zephyr]

I think it was like 0.5-0.7 better?

From the first calcs I saw

[dense ginkgo]

does anyone have the NPC ID of the Earthen Shield

[limber finch]

Yeah I was calcing tbow between scythe with torva and scythe with inq

[thorn mist]

60 def-

90 def-

[wispy knot]

So uh, what happens if he charges up fully?

[grizzled comet]

not worth getting ralos before megas right?

[night zephyr]

I could see scythe being skipped for money kills honestly. You have to be far away cause of rocks and staying at late delve matters that you don't want to be taking 8 ways

[wise spire]

GE seller data shows confliction gauntlets at a volume of 66, eye at 21, and boots at 3

so boots are giga rare

[night zephyr]

As it should be

It could also just be that boots only drop at higher delve and there's a lot less people doing higher delve

Or did that sax clip have them from a low wave?

[main briar]

You comparing lb to ultor on the scy?

[wise spire]

we have evidence of eye dropping at 2 and boots at 4

could be varying drop rates though

like eye is high at 1-4, then lowers as boots go up

[main briar]

Yeah and shadows dropped on 50 invo on release day too etc

[night zephyr]

Yeah or not necessarily high at 1-4 but the weighting changes as you delve deeper

[wise spire]

ye the weighting

[thorn mist]

yeah ultor on scythe

[night zephyr]

Weighting high gotcha

[thorn mist]

so some more zcb specs in favor of range setup

[compact shuttle]

[main briar]

You take a 60 and he heals a fuckton

[compact shuttle]

higher waves can just 1 shot u

[crystal lark]

how bad is not having ralos

[thorn mist]

doesn't matter

[craggy cobalt]

seconding this, I can't seem to find it

[thorn mist]

well it's like having dwh instead of maul at olm or something

it's not big

[thorn mist]

could also be that bug mad posted with the boots not showing up unless you loot twice lol

maybe that's boots-specific so it's inflating their rarity xd

[limber finch]

Try 14715

[crystal lark]

anyone using void have a setup pic

[arctic niche]

wonder if bclaws works as demonbane for melee

over arclight

[night zephyr]

I would think it does

[burnt lichen]

[arctic niche]

wait u have to get the ice pendant to from amox for boss?

[night zephyr]

I wanna see someone try a bclaw spec to break the shield also

Colo tele then quetzal works if you didn't prep tears

[burnt lichen]

this is the setup im using atm

[night zephyr]

Or just quetzal if you have done rumours

[arctic niche]

i havint done either guessing getting pendant is easier?

[night zephyr]

Colo tele

Then quetzal is free

[weary garden]

what spec weapon should I bring if I dont have zcb? Acb or vw maybe?

[night zephyr]

Scobo spam for now. I have doubts acb or no melee vw are good

[weary garden]

fair

[compact shuttle]

is dwh better than scobo spam or is it not worth the slot

[limber finch]

Maul or DWH accuracy is surprisingly high

[night zephyr]

Dwh should be good though yeah

[weary garden]

oh good shout

[night zephyr]

I forget people have that item

[unborn girder]

How difficult is this boss compared to other content. Where would you guys rank it in reference to some other notable pieces of content? I’m sure the perceived difficulty will be a little less over time as methods are ironed out

[compact shuttle]

seeing as basically nobody is streaking it atm, pretty tough

[limber finch]

Yeah 4 completions total of Wave 8+ is a good indicator

I’m sure people will get it down in the next day or two though

[compact shuttle]

its a very lethal boss

[thorn mist]

does sgs max the grubs?

[craggy cobalt]

what's the downside of letting the larva reach the boss?

[compact shuttle]

it heals like 10-13 hp

and you miss out on hitting the shield

[craggy cobalt]

okay i am way prioritizing hitting them too much then lol

[compact shuttle]

that seems to be common

[craggy cobalt]

just got oneshot by the charge attack cause I was trying to hit them instead of hit boss shield

[compact shuttle]

yeah the charge is the spooky mech

[sturdy smelt]

What did you claim? Or no interest in pushing 8+ rn

[compact shuttle]

Just saw gnome hit a 1 on a grub so I don't think so

[weary garden]

what about gear? the best non-bowfa ranged gear i have is arma helm, arma body, and karils skirt. Worth bringing serp helm instead of arma helm?

[compact shuttle]

gotta be scobow

[desert thorn]

whats the angle for spec if no zcb?

[weary garden]

think people have been saying dwh

[desert thorn]

better than maul?

[compact shuttle]

maul is better than hammer

[wise spire]

luckily it's just an accuracy difference, both drop him to 60 with 1 hit

[winged minnow]

ngl dno if its crazy but scobo specs have been feeling better in practice to me after doing a bunch of runs with maul and a bunch with scobo

[night zephyr]

Scobo spec itself increases accuracy by 30% and then gives +5 burn damage. It's prob gonna be close.

I wouldn't feel bad about using either spec.

You are probably gonna be using scobo specs + maul with double DC + lb anyway

[winged minnow]

better than just wearing venny ring?

[dense ginkgo]

so your melee attack can miss during this and it doesn't cancel the charge? Or am I missing something?

[night zephyr]

Venny ring wasn't giving max hits in my setup

Would have to calc for yours

Not that I have one lol

[winged minnow]

fair

er thats mine dno how diff urs was

[night zephyr]

Elite void is probably better than arma btw

[winged minnow]

fair that would make sense actually

[dense ginkgo]

for me it was 0.25% worse than Masori when ralos misses

no vambs

no venator ring

[winged minnow]

i initially just brought arma at beginning of day cause wasnt sure if defence would matter lmao

but yea since it doesnt

[night zephyr]

Yeah boss seems to never miss when you mess up.

[limber finch]

5 extra damage and probably +1 expected hit from the accuracy boost doesn’t seem that good but I haven’t mathed it out to compare with maul spec

[burnt lichen]

[winged minnow]

my accuracy just doesn't feel bad anyway without maul specs and maul specs themselves don't feel like super accurate either though i'll admit thats all feelscraft

[night zephyr]

So +12 damage vs. maul TTK reduction of 2-3 seconds?

[dense ginkgo]

anyone know

[limber finch]

Maul should be about 80% accurate with no switches

[winged minnow]

yea ive defo noticed it missing at least

[night zephyr]

I don't have a DWH so let me cope, but scobo doesn't seem much worse than DWH/maul.

[limber finch]

Is the ttk reduction that small?

[winged minnow]

but its far more accurate than bgs felt at least when i forgot i owned maul initially lmao

[sturdy smelt]

[night zephyr]

I think that was for tbow, would have to calc for scobo.

[winged minnow]

being able to stack up the scobo burn feels nice to like time some burst damage etc too

[sturdy smelt]

Thats an 8+ attempt if ive ever seen one 😅

[limber finch]

Probably depends on void vs masori too tbf

Should probably include both the lost ticks and expected damage from maul spec too

Idk I might do some better math when I get home

[dense ginkgo]

figured it out, the second hitsplat was from a scobo attack

it just appeared the same tick I got into melee range so I thought I hit him

[night zephyr]

Yeah the lost ticks + expected hit decreased (I assume with no melee switches/pots) makes me think those two should be pretty close.

Makes me feel fine about not having dwh still and just spamming scobo specs.

[kind sandal]

Based on the GE tracker data, it would appear the boots are either much rarer or only appear on deeper levels relative to the wand and cloth

[main briar]

I mean dwh hit is pretty high right?

[night zephyr]

Discussed a bit earlier, but we have confirmations of early boot drops. So it's either the weighting changes at deeper delves to give more boots or they are much rarer.

(Could also be a combination of still being a rarer item and better weighting later on though)

Im happy with the gigaboots being the chase item though.

Will make me feel less bad about getting the staff along the way to the boots and avoiding TOA

[kind sandal]

They're dropping but the price is still going up

Oh you know what, it could just be people not noticing them cuz of the bug

https://streamable.com/75fu6h

[night zephyr]

That too

I feel like it's enough quantity to still show that the boots are rarer than the gloves at least even with the bug

People are also probably more likely to keep the boots as they get the immediate upgrade at delve from them.

Magic not used for delve so they can just buy later when cheaper

[kind sandal]

Yeah probably a good mix of everything

[weary garden]

am I trolling if I use assembler instead of quiver when I run out of charges?

[idle fog]

Yes. The quiver is a direct upgrade, even when it's not charged.

[weary garden]

ahh, well then what about just using it uncharged? I lose 1 ranged str and 10 acc?

[arctic niche]

would get charges cuz it passively works towards perma bless now

and stats are good

esp for scobo

[weary garden]

Yeah true, im just not in the mood to grind colo attempts, I wanna kill new boss lmao.
I'll probably just alternate between the two I guess

[night zephyr]

Oh right this boss drops splinters

I wonder if you sustain

[limber finch]

You’re still gaining 1 ranged str and 10 ranged accuracy over an assembler

[night zephyr]

Prob one of the best places for you to use your splinters/work on charging it

[arctic niche]

1 colo clear will prob last u extremely long time

[night zephyr]

1 Colo clear + splinters from claiming loot at delve is prob enough

[weary garden]

I didn't realize it also dropped splinters, thats really nice

I have about 3k charges right now

[night zephyr]

It may self sustain itself if you get good at wave 8

I wouldn't be ashamed of claiming early on runs that I get a nice splinter drop.

After getting to 6 or 7 at least

[weary garden]

Yeah im gonna see how far these 3319 charges gets me. if anything, ill just run a couple colo completions this weekend

[craggy cobalt]

what did I do wrong here? I guess my pathing for the second slam got messed up by the rock, but how did I take the first and 3rd slam?

this orb is so clunky, I guess you kinda have to lead it a little bit. Feels like you just want to try and have it go in a straight line I guess

[weary garden]

Yeah it looks like you need to lead it a bit more? You can see your true tile outside of the orb tile when he slams

[craggy cobalt]

yeah, feels very wack. Levi orb only goes in straight lines so it makes some sense, this one going diagonally is weird

[wise spire]

the orb as a whole is pretty wack and clunky

even going straight its speed isn't consistent and it will zig-zag for no reason

[dense ginkgo]

it has standard mob pathing

so if it's an L movement from its destination it moves diagonally first

I've been trying to make straight lines with mine

[weary garden]

void > arma when I dont have masori?

[night zephyr]

It doesn't have standard player pathing though

[dense ginkgo]

even with masori void wins for me

(with def reduction)

[night zephyr]

It does opposite sometimes. i.e. doing a diagnol first and then straight vs. doing straight and then diagnol

[dense ginkgo]

yeah so clicking your first one from where you're at for the second one won't match up

you'll make a parallelogram

[desert thorn]

idk what to bring

this is with 1 maul

but void is +3 prayer bonus

[dense ginkgo]

oh is this with tbow

[desert thorn]

yes

[dense ginkgo]

yeah I'm using scobo + amethyst arrows

[desert thorn]

do defence matter here?

[weary garden]

seems like no

[desert thorn]

with 2 hammers void pulls ahead, and im thinking maybe bringing melee helm for maul specs?

[dense ginkgo]

if that's without vambs masori has the advantage of making your melee pokes stronger too

[weary garden]

wait is 2 hammers a thing? I thought only 1 hit the cap

[night zephyr]

I thought 1 hammer as well

[plucky turret]

min def of 60

[desert thorn]

probably is

okay 1 hammer

[night zephyr]

So may as well masori with tbow

Void is a scobo thing only it seems

[desert thorn]

mmm i would loose barrows gloves for maul spec

for void

[night zephyr]

You can bring void melee helm instead

[desert thorn]

yea im wondering whats best, void (+3 prayer bonus from masori + melee helm) or masori with barrows gloves

[night zephyr]

Masori seems to just be better DPS for tbow even with hammer hitting, so id go with that

[dense ginkgo]

toenail moment

[night zephyr]

Even if it's small

[desert thorn]

yea buts its incredible small so maybe melee helm + 3 prayer bonus is best? idk im gonna bring masori because it looks better im gonna be honest

[night zephyr]

1 second across 8 delves is 8 seconds

[merry lotus]

anyone in void/scobow, are you def reducing?

[desert thorn]

yea

[night zephyr]

Seems smaller for 1 delve level, but 8 seconds ain't bad across a run

[desert thorn]

but a 81 max hit is hot tho

[weary garden]

yes

[night zephyr]

That's also true

[merry lotus]

dwh or bgs?

[night zephyr]

Dwh

BGS very bad here

[merry lotus]

alright ty

[night zephyr]

300 slash defence

[dense ginkgo]

if you have toenails they're even better

[weary garden]

ive been dwh, but ive been missing a lot. I think void melee helm is very worth

[limber finch]

I wouldn’t say it’s very bad but you need switches to make it decent, and there’s no reason to use it over DWH/maul

[desert thorn]

looks like there is little difference for maul with either void melee helm or barrows gloves

[night zephyr]

Fair point. With oath it's prob decent.

[dense ginkgo]

what about Divine Attack/Supercombat

[night zephyr]

Average drain of 17. Is that correct?

[limber finch]

Even with a 4-way swap it’s like 75% accurate with an expected hit of 25

[night zephyr]

Oh that's serviceable

[limber finch]

Do we know if def reductions are reset for each level?

[night zephyr]

I'll have to see if rancour+void helm makes it worth it. I'm gonna be void scoboing. So the defence drain helps quite a bit more than tbow

I believe it does

[arctic niche]

does defence drain last throughout whole run?

nvm someone else asked before me

[night zephyr]

Resets each delve im pretty sure

[limber finch]

Keep in mind that HP increases in later waves so def reduction becomes more impactful to ttk

[night zephyr]

It would be super valuable if it didn't

[weary garden]

im about to try hammer + void melee helm. let me know if rancour is noticably better

[desert thorn]

helps very little

this is with rancour

and scb

[dense ginkgo]

what about scb but no void melee helm

[night zephyr]

I mean BGS speccing at all with void scobo. Void scobo seems to benefit the most from defence reduction

I don't have dwh :(

[desert thorn]

88.05%

[weary garden]

ahh

[limber finch]

Wait why is the average drain 18 here?

[night zephyr]

Yeah that's what I was saying it seems wrong

[desert thorn]

thats with rancour

[dense ginkgo]

so worth more than the helm

[desert thorn]

im using gearscape wich sucks so idk

[dense ginkgo]

oh ok

[limber finch]

Should be about 27 with 90% acc

[desert thorn]

its 86.55%

[kind sandal]

Okay treds are just rare https://old.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1m7g1uc/wave_4_avernic_treads/

[simple tulip]

Boss have big reqs?

Gear wise

[desert thorn]

maybe starts with a t

and ends with bow

but ur fine with a scobo

[simple tulip]

Sadge

[desert thorn]

scobo and void does very good

[proven owl]

is there a guide out yet? I've been logged out since i did quest at launch so completely clueless

[night zephyr]

Gnomonkey is uploading a good one soon.

Not trolling. I was listening to stream while he recorded

[desert thorn]

gnomemonkey was live half an hour ago and he is explaining very good

so probs a video later today

or you can watch the stream

[night zephyr]

Yeah if you pull up his vod you could watch him recording the guide

If you don't want to wait

[dense ginkgo]

feels like I have an excess of spec energy even without using lb, I wonder if I should bring acb for specs or just scobo spec or what

[desert thorn]

scobo feels good i would say

[night zephyr]

Scobo specs if no zcb

[proven owl]

does def reduction stay throughout phases or why does he zcb with ralos in invent

[night zephyr]

Should be like 6-7 extra damage per 25% spec

[dense ginkgo]

actually what if getting webweaver is good

[night zephyr]

Def reduction doesn't stay

[dense ginkgo]

I have Craws, I'd just need Fangs (which I wanted pretty soon anyways)

[desert thorn]

with double death charge you have a lot of spec

so thats why

[night zephyr]

Idk how accurate webweaver is but it could be decent

Probably not with void though

[rich condor]

Does slayer staff 1 hit the grubs?

[night zephyr]

It's not the staff it's the demonbane spell

So yes

[rich condor]

K ty

[proven owl]

but he's not actually using ralos

does he only use it wave 8

[night zephyr]

He uses it at later delves

[limber finch]

Would bp spec for sustain be trolling? (Obviously better with masori than void)

Idk what the supply situation is like

[thorn mist]

maybe u can bp spec the grubs

[night zephyr]

Bp spec would prob only hit a 1 and heal 1

On grubs

I got so little work done today I could have just played game and set aside a couple hours to work and accomplished the same

[weary garden]

are you me? lmao

[night zephyr]

Serial yapper on update day. I should've just taken the day off lol.

[dense ginkgo]

looks like with scobo as my mainhand weapon it's a better spec weapon than webweaver, might be different for tbow nvm

takes 1 more tick to fire and has an expected hit 3.6 higher, which is above my normal damage per tick

[sturdy smelt]

I feel this

I spent most of the day with multiple streams open

[night zephyr]

Glad im not alone lol

[weary garden]

I was working / questing the first half of the day

[night zephyr]

I hope sailing gets delayed until after October 15th.

Then I can actually take off from work for it and not slack

[dense ginkgo]

it looks like ACB is even better than Scobo but costs an inventory slot and blessing and health and has crazy variance

and can't use it against low hp

[fickle bobcat]

the demonbane spell not instahitting the grub feels so jank

[proven owl]

what's the best bug killing setup for 2 synapses

[desert thorn]

scobo ember and slay staff - staff of the dead maybe?

[dense ginkgo]

1-way voidwaker without a single piece of melee strength is still an expected hit of 30 lmao

[fickle bobcat]

any autocast arcceus staff works innit

[proven owl]

okay

[desert thorn]

yas

its the spell that does it

not the staff

so yea whatever

or be a man and manual cast it

[night zephyr]

Has anyone seen a clip of someone trying a burning claws spec on the shield break guaranteed hit yet?

Instead of emberlight whacking

[weary garden]

I havent. I can try it though?

[night zephyr]

Could be tech

[dense ginkgo]

I mean if vw is my best spec weapon with zero melee gear to support it bclaws can't be bad when they're guaranteed to hit

[proven owl]

does it matter which spell you use or can you save runes by using a shit tier demonbane spell

[night zephyr]

This boss is showing we really need some more flavor in the ranged spec weapon department.

[dense ginkgo]

shit tier is better because brewing down won't fuck with it

[night zephyr]

200iq

Better and saves runes

[deft estuary]

how does ayak calculate compared to sang and shadow?

[dense ginkgo]

the lowest uses chaos but you can still use the mid-tier with thrall+dc runes

[night zephyr]

That's good to know

[dense ginkgo]

very close to Shadow most places that aren't GWD and TOA, beats it at Zulrah/PNM/Barrows

[night zephyr]

And it's gonna be BIS at tob.

[weary garden]

Has anyone calc'd ayak over bowfa in ToA?

[night zephyr]

It's close, but dependent on mage gear.

[dense ginkgo]

it beats bowfa on Akkha, is useless on Zebak, and Wardens depends on your gear

[sturdy smelt]

Dbow🔥

[weary garden]

ahh, so probably doesnt change meta pre-shadow

[dense ginkgo]

I mean if it helps with TOA more than Shadow helps with Doom...

[night zephyr]

But probably not worth at TOA because you can pack yak supplies with new Bofa butterfly and bin a bunch of mage switches allowing you to push 450+

[dense ginkgo]

you can Eye butterfly, which lets you use your spec energy too

in 450 you definitely don't want to be using just bowfa

you get so much spec energy during the fight and being able to VW spec (especially if you're doing double power, which you probably are in 450) is big

I can't speak for farming above 450, I'm sure at some point you just need to live

[proven owl]

alright so is this absolute max outside of ralos?

[night zephyr]

Lightbearer better

[proven owl]

even with no ralos?

[night zephyr]

Yyp

Yup

Venator doesn't give max

Very low value

[dense ginkgo]

there's venom

[leaden vault]

is there a way to mark all the breakable rocks? keep getting them mixed up with the non breakable ones lol...

nvm they are npcs not objects 👍

[night zephyr]

You are gonna be doing 1 minute delve level clears, so that's 30 spec from death charge and 40 from lightbearer recharge. You'll be able to utilize all that spec from lightbearer recharge even without ralos from ZCB speccing every delve level start

Probably closer to 45-50 seconds when you get good, so even more so.

[dense ginkgo]

dc also ticks down and I think spec ticks up between clearing and going down a floor

so 75 per floor should be maintainable

[night zephyr]

Yeah I'd imagine you start having excess if you are only zcbing when you get to the point of camping delve 8+

But that's a future problem

[stuck cape]

have u seen the str bonus mechnic

i dont think emberlight is th emove

[night zephyr]

What is the str bonus mechanic? Or you just talking about emberlight insane scaling?

[stuck cape]

when u hit the shield you deal 20% of ur str bonus as a bonus hitsplat

so emberlight is bad

you get a ton of free dmg using something w high str

[dense ginkgo]

you still want emberlight for the adds right

[wise spire]

bruh this fucking orb mechanic I wanna kms

[dense ginkgo]

ig if it's enough damage over emberlight it's worth the slot

[stuck cape]

yeah its good for those

[night zephyr]

Still want ember for the grubs yeah unless you can bclaw scratch them and bclaw spec for that mechanic

[stuck cape]

nox hal is +28 dmg everytime for example

bclaw not that good bc low str bonus

[night zephyr]

Imagine it's bonus hitsplats per hitsplats you do

[stuck cape]

its 1/5 of str bonus

[dense ginkgo]

can't test that but I already tested staff bashing with purging staff (it doesn't work)

[night zephyr]

Ah okay

[stuck cape]

like if u sgs spec u get a +27 bonus hit

or ancient godsword spec

[night zephyr]

Ah so it's like TDs?

27 minimum hit + whatever you normally roll?

[weary garden]

anyone know the xp multiplier for hits? I wanna get my predicted hit normal

[night zephyr]

Or whatever the calc is

[stuck cape]

It’s just 20% of ur strength bonus

Like the actual str bonus of ur gear

And wep

[night zephyr]

So you only ever hit that, not more?

[winged minnow]

is that 27 bonus hit on sgs spec going into ur heals, or does it just heal nothing in that phase, or just the normal hit

[dense ginkgo]

what about reusing your maul from def reduction speccing

[winged minnow]

cause honestly id be tempted to bring if its going into it

[dense ginkgo]

chally spec for the high strength + not having to walk out of melee range

[stuck cape]

You get ur hit, and then you also get the bonus

It doesn’t heal you

[winged minnow]

rip

[stuck cape]

The bonus hit is just dmg

Ancient Godsword prob bis, bc guarenteed hit 25 dmg 25 deal and 27 bonus hit

Well zcb is bis

[wise spire]

it's a separate hitsplat you mean

[stuck cape]

Yes

[dense ginkgo]

actually this was a shitpost but nhally non-spec might be nice

[stuck cape]

Yeah nhally is a 28

[night zephyr]

Average L on update day for spooning rancour

[dense ginkgo]

and has the bonus tile of range

[merry lotus]

whenever he does the shield, nhally shield instead of emberlight?

[stuck cape]

Yes

Or sgs if ur sgsing

[night zephyr]

So that's only the mage/range prayer shield right? Isn't there a different shield that requires demonbane to break

[stuck cape]

Yeah idk the names

That’s the prayer bit

I guess the part you hit 100s with grubs is more of a “shield”

Also any grubs you need to melee, you can scobo spec

And they die 5t later to burn

And you can kill them under the boss

[merry lotus]

any npc codes i should copy and paste

[night zephyr]

Yeah that part

Ill try bgs whacking when I get on

[stuck cape]

I’ve also been doing elder maul with 0 switches, it’s 80% to hit and saves like 10s on the phase

NHally is more Str than Godsword and 5t

Would only be if you were using it for the spec

[night zephyr]

Don't have a Nhally

[dense ginkgo]

this one for the Earthen Shield (abyssal pathfinder 2.0)

set it up however your abyssal pathfinder is but 3x3

[proven owl]

how do you break the second charge ability that hits 60s but doesnt have protect prayers up

[dense ginkgo]

destroy two trees that are far apart

[lucid marlin]

guys im so clueless

[merry lotus]

anyone get any uniques yet?

[lucid marlin]

why does the pit not have an enter option for the delve boss cave?

how do i enter that cave?

[dense ginkgo]

finish the quest

[merry lotus]

you need to do the quest "the final dawn"

[lucid marlin]

i have lol

tf?

[dense ginkgo]

did you not activate the elevator during the quest

[merry lotus]

did you not examine the elevator down there

[weary garden]

you gotta hit the strange tablet thing in the cave

[plucky turret]

you missed the elevator

[lucid marlin]

eh?

i clicked the statues

[dense ginkgo]

also be sure to set up the teleporter from the elevator to the end of the room

[plucky turret]

its just before that

[lucid marlin]

i searched the skeletons

umm

[weary garden]

its not part of the quest

[dense ginkgo]

in the room with the moon and sun puzzles

[lucid marlin]

let me go check

[dense ginkgo]

right before the puzzles

[plucky turret]

its in a passageway before the final area

[lucid marlin]

right give me a sec lads

[dense ginkgo]

it's also where you set up the teleporters

[merry lotus]

what

[weary garden]

when you climb up the rope when you come in from the south cave entrance

[plucky turret]

after you climb up the rope

[weary garden]

does someone have the NPC ID's for the grubs and the orb? Some of them arent marked lol

[lucid marlin]

orb - 14715

[dense ginkgo]

it's like symmetra from overwatch

once you go down the elevator click the chest to get two teleporters

put one 3 tiles north from where the elevator takes you, put the other max range from it north

try right by the doorway and keep moving one south until it lets you

[night zephyr]

Press Q and place teleporter

[lucid marlin]

thank you guys for that teleport lmao

i must've missed it during the quest

[dense ginkgo]

the teleporter can't be placed during the quest, but the elevator can be activated

[lucid marlin]

yeah

i forgot to inspect it

[merry lotus]

love u bro

[night zephyr]

Whichever wiki admin added doom forgot to make it demonbane...

[celest robin]

idk if a boss has ever drained me this much before

[night zephyr]

anyone in wikicord?

didnt prep frozen tears or the colo landing site, gg.

[dense ginkgo]

@tribal igloo

You're a wiki guy right?

[tribal igloo]

The demonic attribute just got added to the wiki page 17 minutes ago https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Doom_of_Mokhaiotl?diff=prev&oldid=14945356

[night zephyr]

ah so dps calc just needs to update

[limber finch]

Yeah that was an automated update a couple hours ago

[tribal igloo]

I haven't looked at Delve boss yet. Do we know if the stats change for all 8 levels? A bit odd the infobox is just normal, delve 1, and delve 8. I'm not sure if anyone has monster examined all 8 levels.

[limber finch]

I think it’s just HP?

Btw for anyone using the wiki calc, heads up that the confliction gauntlets’ passive is not currently in there (nor is the eye of ayak at all, for some reason)

[dense ginkgo]

Both were wrong style defenses compared to the monster examine posted here too

That was hours ago though so maybe they're more accurate now

[limber finch]

At some point the standard ranged bonus was changed from 140 to 160 on the wiki, if that’s what you’re referring to

[deft estuary]

can ayak reach olm mage hand from melee hand?

[limber finch]

It’s 8 tiles on longrange, so I think so?

[burnt wedge]

Can you remind me which plugin it is to set this up?

[dense ginkgo]

Better NPC highlight I think

[proven owl]

hmm i might actually claim rewards any time i get aether lol

at least until i get good

[dense ginkgo]

Claiming 3+ teleports seems good too until you have a buffer

Splinters for people that still need them

[proven owl]

surely nobody in here is a colosseum avoider hmm

[dense ginkgo]

I was waiting for Shadow then went 3x dry for it lol

[proven owl]

is every teleport a 1 time use

[dense ginkgo]

Yeah

[proven owl]

they dont seem all that common

curious how far u need to get to sustain them

[dense ginkgo]

They scale in quantity with the wave number

[proven owl]

okay

[signal cipher]

idk if this is of interest to this channel

but just saw this elsewhere

[proven owl]

ye i think wave 4 is the lowest where ive heard of uniques dropping

clannie got staff there an hour ago or so

[wise spire]

uniques drop in wave 2

I just haven't heard of treads lower than 4 yet

[weary garden]

this orb is gonna send me

[north axle]

new boss is great

[rotund raven]

How bad is the boss to kill without demonbane weapons

[proven owl]

is it even possible without scobow

i guess its for sure possible but is there any way to deal with greens without it

[rotund raven]

If you use non demonbane are the little dudes still 1 tick or

[north axle]

you do not need synapse weps

you can use slayer staff autocast

or silverlight

[rotund raven]

Yeah but what do you do for range

No holywater no synapse

[north axle]

make holy water

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Mv5QI7QWu4

funny you should ask

[rotund raven]

I said what if you can't get it

[north axle]

do legends quest

or do wgs

or just accept the heal

its not a dealbreaker its just annoying

or you can 2tap

[mighty rain]

Hes a pure

[rotund raven]

2tap sounds okay for earlier waves

Might be a pain like 6+? Idk

Prob doesn't even matter since the stuff drops at wave 2 just take a bit longer

[mighty rain]

Tbh just don’t farm after 6

Or let the melees go in

[rotund raven]

Id imagine some dumbass pures will complain and get them to add something

[thorn mist]

i don't see why lol, it's not that crippling to just 2shot them or let them go in

[dense ginkgo]

when they go in the boss heals 10 and you take a 1

you'll be fine

[green coyote]

eventually it becomes 15

i was freaking getting smacked

[dense ginkgo]

15 heal or 15 damage

[green coyote]

15 dmg

[dense ginkgo]

hmm

[rotund raven]

Sounds a bit more problematic

[green coyote]

i went in with venge, couldnt kill any mage worms, they all just got swallowed

[dense ginkgo]

can you venator bow them

[green coyote]

havent tried

[dense ginkgo]

better question, can pures get a venator bow

[rotund raven]

Yeah they can

Does it work?

[dense ginkgo]

I have no idea

but by the time you get to waves where they deal that much they should have a bounce target

[rotund raven]

1k hour detour before this content not bad

[thorn mist]

i mean it's no big deal to 2 shot them

we're talking about people who refuse to unlock piety losing 1 tick because of their account build

it's ok

[rotund raven]

Is every range weapon 2t kill

[thorn mist]

yeah

always 1t atk delay with any wep

[rotund raven]

Just wasn't sure if it killed or not

Chance to roll 0

[thorn mist]

naw u always hit a 1

[night zephyr]

1k hours from a venator bow? Pures DPS that bad? Good reminder to never take them on 416

[thorn mist]

i wouldn't mind raiding with pures but they're legit always toxic

[rotund raven]

Part of that 1k hours was tbow before vbow

(900 hours)

[main briar]

Yearly reminder that a zerker with max gear does less damage than a reg whip void myth cape amulet of glory andy on p2

Might not actually be true anymore now with the chivalry shit actually

[rotund raven]

1 def got way closer to zerkers this past year or 2. Now we're only 1/3 of a main

[thorn mist]

mains just got a big glow up tho..

[rotund raven]

You're right but so did 1 def

[thorn mist]

think we got like 3 tbow maxes, 3 shadow maxes most places and then the 52 scy with ovl

aren't u guys still weaker than before the magic rework which kinda owned u?

[rotund raven]

No idea but we have an offhand that increases fang by 1 so that has to be good

Idk what new mage upgrades there are today but if the gaunts give any mage % we're probably back to where we were

[main briar]

Does this kill oathplate for team cm?

[thorn mist]

tbh i'm not gonna pretend to know what's going on in team cm

but yea i heard that from some team cm nerds

what will the new melee gloves need to give for us to get 52 scy everywhere?

do they need to be +17 or is +16 fine

[dense ginkgo]

new melee gloves

did I miss a blog

[thorn mist]

no just conjecture

but i mean if u look at all the melee gear, gloves or possibly cape (but that would have to be a huge update prob communicated months in advance) are the only thing that can be upgraded now

[main briar]

Cape and gloves are by far the oldest (other than scy itself)

[dense ginkgo]

Piety is 2007

[thorn mist]

think +16 str is fine

i bet we get 52 scy sometime in 2026

whether from new gloves or overloads

[main briar]

I believe it

[thorn mist]

i think maybe that gives oathplate 50 though

[night zephyr]

I thought oathplate + torva helm was 50 already

[thorn mist]

oh right i'm dumb

was thinking of 3/3 oath for some reason

i hope 3/3 torva is better though, game just makes more sense if torva is more useful but oathplate is still good

[dense ginkgo]

I think it makes more sense if it depends on how much accuracy matters

[main briar]

Both have uses now which seems fine

[thorn mist]

torva's pretty underpowered considering oathplate is 3 times easier to get

you barely use 3/3 torva anywhere now. you use oathplate even in places where accuracy is marginal just cuz it's so strong

p much only time you're using torva nowadays is if you aren't using scythe or some exceptions like team cm

[main briar]

Inq is even more underpowered

It is what it is

[night zephyr]

I like that it's a balancing act between torva and oath though. Like it seems they both will be viable/competing at different types of content for the future of the game

[main briar]

So is bandos

Old stuff tends to get powercrept

[thorn mist]

i dislike how they're equal

they shouldn't be

oathplate should be like a niche situational thing you use vs stuff like duke

instead it's basically a strict upgrade over torva any time you're scything

[main briar]

Just gotta disagree on that one

[thorn mist]

yeah fair enuf

my opinion is minority for sure anyway

[dense ginkgo]

I've heard it from others