Yama - May 14

[quiet flicker]

Are we gonna have to make moth mixes and teas for bloodied blows?

[stiff dagger]

Could redemption instead

[sudden ocean]

doesn't the chip damage hit higher than the hp you need to camp?

[tired ivy]

Don't think it hits 15s

[quiet flicker]

From what ive seen 6s

[sudden ocean]

ah that's just what ive heard

[atomic surge]

Is the wiki accurate that dossier is 1/12 solo but 1/24 duo?

[sudden ocean]

It feels that way

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/975789005981515909/1375698004069191791/image.png?ex=6832a21b&is=6831509b&hm=3b66970f22ca39537ddbdf0bfaf00a75cc8eb7730b5fad206a0c3e8f9eaeeb1e&

qa tested btw

[faint lily]

Should be. We had a lot of back and forth of people here and wiki with what should/shouldn't be scaled for contribution

[wicked comet]

yea does feel like that atleast

[atomic surge]

Bleh

Solo locked it is then

[sudden ocean]

If you want papers don't you just go kill billybob demons

Being solo locked sounds miserable

[tired ivy]

Solos are fun in small doses because you actually have to do the boss mechanics.

Duos are

[runic obsidian]

have people figured out which demons are best to kill

drop rates on wiki all just say rare

[quiet flicker]

Solos are nice switch up from when no parter for a bit

Would feel miserable to glog solo tho

[atomic surge]

Fucking up solos gives me good opportunity to practice mage p3

[runic obsidian]

i haven't gotten any forfeit breath contracts yet from demons, i think it might be due to undead grasp alwas wearing off right as the demon dies, since the death animation takes longer than the bind holds for

has anyone had success using that spell or should i be using standard/ancient freezes instead

[vast quarry]

gotten quite a few with the spell

[runic obsidian]

ok must just be rng then

[atomic surge]

No they are just ~4x rarer

than bloody blows is

[runic obsidian]

yeah i have noticed rates seem inconsistent

[atomic surge]

I did get one though

[runic obsidian]

in the 42 kills i did with spec last cycle, probably only 20 were actually killed with a spec, and i got 4 drops lol

meanwhile 150+ grasp kills nothing

[atomic surge]

took me 200ish

[runic obsidian]

does the sigil only change color if you kill them with the correct method, or does it just always change after 40ish kills

[rocky mango]

but, are you doing the Jedi slide method for 3t?

[atomic surge]

40ish

[runic obsidian]

cool so once i have lots of spec drops i can just afk everything

[atomic surge]

the dossier rate is even

the demons rate arent

so I think for forfeit yama is better

[vast quarry]

would it be

wiki says 1/12 for dossier, 1/7.1 for forfeit

3 every 84 kills seems ass

on avg

[atomic surge]

contracts are still just ass in general

fine for mains because yama has them

now they just exist to fuck with irons

thanks arcane

[runic obsidian]

honestly overall they seem really quick from demons

this is like 15 minutes of loot

[atomic surge]

I do not want to kill demons

[runic obsidian]

and 4/5 of the methods are fully afk

[sudden ocean]

wym by this

[tired ivy]

afk crossbow, afk mage, afk 2h, afk ice barrage ig

[runic obsidian]

yeah can afk all but spec

[sudden ocean]

i couldnt find it on the wiki, what is the drop rate of contracts if you do it the glyph way vs if you don't

can you even get contracts without doing the proper way

[runic obsidian]

i don't think you can but i could be wrong

[misty marlin]

afaik you can only get corresponing contracts to your last hit

sigil only matters for increasing rate

but its last hit that determines the contract drop

[runic obsidian]

you can easily bring all the gear you need for all 5 methods though in one inv

[sudden ocean]

i see, ty

[runic obsidian]

so every 42 kills you when sigil swaps just switch to the corresponding gear and keep afking

[sudden ocean]

worth doing that to speed through glyphs you don't want faster?

[vast quarry]

damn b2b

love bloodied blows

[runic obsidian]

in the last 40 minutes ive had 10 drops, 4 bloodied blows and 6 glyphic lol

[misty marlin]

if all you want is one specific contract, you should just use the style for that contract regardless of sigil

[runic obsidian]

its nice that the spec contract drop rate seems high, should be able to get plenty of those fast and then can just ignore that one

[sudden ocean]

are yall bothering to get slayer tasks or nah

[misty marlin]

no

[swift thistle]

No

[sudden ocean]

if you kill a demon with ice barrage does it give you the one for spells, the one for binding, or both?

it at least gives the one for binding right?

[runic obsidian]

either depending which is assigned

it tells you which of the 5 methods to use

[sudden ocean]

im on the spells one now, i thought that was just for increased rate?

[heady atlas]

Same question as the 2h one+spec one ig?

If you bclaw something, can you get both?

Or either? Or limited to a specific one

[runic obsidian]

i thought you could only get drops from the one you're assigned

[heady atlas]

I thought sigils increase drop %

[sudden ocean]

[heady atlas]

But you can get any contracts by fulfilling the conditions?

Or wiki lied to me

[runic obsidian]

ok nvm im wrong it does just double rates

i guess you can maybe roll for two at a time then

[misty marlin]

I don't know for sure, but I only ever got the bind ones while ice barraging, never the mage spell ones

[heady atlas]

Surely someone would've gotten a double drop by now if possible though

Idt I've seen one

[runic obsidian]

so are you guys ice barraging instead of undead grasp

[sudden ocean]

atm yes but i might switch to water spells

[misty marlin]

yeah, i just swap spellbooks if i get that one

[runic obsidian]

im just using grasp so i dont have to change books

[misty marlin]

its not long to bank

[vast quarry]

When I do grasp I use demon bane (highest) and demonbane (middle) to lower its hp

Isn’t afk at all but it’s fast

[sudden ocean]

[[undead grasp]]

[acoustic summit]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Undead_Grasp

[sudden ocean]

not bad

[runic obsidian]

im hitting 32 max with it, minus a few mage switches to save inv space

probably maxes like 35ish in bis

[sudden ocean]

cheaper than ice barrage

[runic obsidian]

it also has a sick animation which is extremely relevant

[sudden ocean]

i wonder if mage thrall counts as a mage kill

oh no they turned blue

[runic obsidian]

with how absurdly high the spec contract rates seem to be, im guessing SR axe was not intended to be usable

they probably assumed people would only be able to do spec finishes occasionally rather than every kill

might be an abuse early and often angle

[heady atlas]

Can you purge staff spec and get the refunded spec?

[runic obsidian]

i heard purge staff doesnt work as a spec finish

[sudden ocean]

nally good for 2h weapon? could ember/scythe i guess but lol

[atomic surge]

i used grasp

ice barrage so expensive ;w;

[misty marlin]

I've just been killing a demon with spec every time I do a Yama trip

gotten 4 contracts that way since yesterday's patch

[runic obsidian]

i got 4 spec contracts in the span of 5 minutes earlier this morning

overall 2/3rds of my contracts this morning have been spec

drop rate feels like 1/10 maybe which is absurd

[misty marlin]

what's funny is I've gotten a ton of them off sigil, but the one sigil I got I finished most of them with spec and got 0

[vast quarry]

which spec

[misty marlin]

I've been bclawing to finish

probably should bring chally tho

[runic obsidian]

SR axe BIS if you have it

can spec every other hit

[misty marlin]

2/4, was wanting oathplate to finish Vard lol

[sudden ocean]

🧑‍🍳

[stiff dagger]

has anyone stat spied yama on the glyphic attenuation contract (weak to crush), wondering if anyone has stats so i can calc my bis

[sudden ocean]

I haven't

[full shuttle]

I remember gnomonkey doing it during stream yday if you're bothered searching through that

[stiff dagger]

hmm okay tyty

i may just send it with the cudgel 😄

[misty marlin]

lmfao

scythe felt very bad when I took it for a small trip yesterday, also I missed both hammers (not even sure if they work)

So it feels like he's crush weak, but still tanky

[atomic surge]

i shall hasta whack i think

Area sounds whitelist:
10272,10252,10263,10247,10251,
Yama finger snap, mage and range attacks, melee attack
Annoyance mute:
10238,10255,10268,10215,9335,
Yama sound spam during P3

for sound plugin enjoyers

[winter seal]

I feel deaf at p3 now

[atomic surge]

isnt it os nice

[full shuttle]

As thanks for your guides I found it for you https://www.youtube.com/live/iHL9XoTYZFU?si=ClE1JYOwVh_1S6MA&t=26128

[atomic surge]

Dumb question

why is purge hitting 80s on awakened yama flare

when it hits 70s on non awakened yama flare

do they just have more demonbaneweak?

[vast quarry]

Are you bringing more mage gear

Or is it the wretched strength one

[atomic surge]

greg has a 3way

in his vid

of glyph

[vast quarry]

Hmmm

idk but after watching that im gonna have to learn the melee method

maybe they just gave it higher damage on them to keep using the staff consistent or somthin

[winter seal]

personally I find a lot of aoe sounds adds liveliness to the game. Though I'll get used to it, kinda nice for the shitty p3s

[stiff dagger]

ty so much king ❤️

[azure laurel]

Do you have a good white list that has all the relevant bosses?

I’ve been hesitant to switch because of making a list

[atomic surge]

no

[atomic surge]

I did all this because the mage/range actually do have pre sound cues but they sound very similar so it's super hard to differentiate with anything else going imo

[azure laurel]

I’ve muted sounds some places where there’s a lot of noise, but it’s an annoying process tbh

[winter seal]

I only rly find the waves to be distracting noise wise

[naive widget]

I haven't actually touched this boss since it came out - if I just care about double DC for now (want to wait until at least infernal cape for oathplate if not just delaying until I get a scythe and it actually has value anywhere other than vard or more yama), do y'all think it's worth learning some sort of melee method or just do chiller mage kills?

[winter seal]

only weird thing about these is the fireball from the red glyph also gets muted

is that the one used for oath worm etc contracts?

[runic obsidian]

it takes like 5 minutes to mark tiles and learn fly methods for p3

and p1/2 melee is just as easy as mage

definitely melee as much as you can its much faster and cheaper

[naive widget]

alright. what's the fly method pug groups are using, just basic donofly?

[atomic surge]

doesn't matter

[naive widget]

also how common are ffa groups

[atomic surge]

you can use your own tiles

[misty marlin]

Most people use donofly, some use monofly, but all methods are compatible

I have two tilesets, gregsurf v2 for solo/host and then the modified version of that for non-host duos

I just use tile sets to flick between them

[south burrow]

Hope this helps

[faint lily]

Why'd you delete your initial message?

[winter seal]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[twilit parcel]

u guys holding dossiers or do u think this is as good as they will get

[winter seal]

I don't see a reason to open mine till I'm going for the cosmetic

[brave bronze]

I'm just opening as I get them

[atomic surge]

afk forefeit breath has got to be less than 1 per hour

[devout coyote]

at least it seems to be the easiest one

[plain raft]

do we know of anyone that's completed an acquisition contract?

i have 2 shards, an oathplate, and a horn contract that would finish this boss but i'm not touching it til i know it's actually doable lmao

[atomic surge]

kirby is gonna grind it out allegedly

[devout coyote]

im hoping in the coming days there'll be some example kc with melee for all of the contracts people were shadowing

[dapper hollow]

Do we know anything about the oath contract

[runic obsidian]

ngl if i had an oath contract i would probably just drop it for alt gp

odds of getting it on first try have to be mega low

and its too expensive to practice on an alt

assuming it is different mechanically from the other cheaper contracts

[misty marlin]

isnt it the same as worm but solo instead of duo

[lament canopy]

yes

[vast quarry]

bonus damage from prayer

glyph attenuation

[atomic surge]

ic

[vast quarry]

is there a reason demonbane has a chance to miss on voidflares in Bloodies Blows?

saturated heart + augury

most of the time i'll max hit them, but sometimes it just completely misses

[atomic surge]

bug

[stiff dagger]

Yeah just have to pass an accuracy check afaik as its not weak to demonbane

[sudden ocean]

Can you one shot the void flares in bloody blows with shadow

[stiff dagger]

Yeah 11-16 hp should one shot in max

Sorry it is still demonbane idk why it can fail acc roll though

Probs lower without ward (f)

Not sure how much lower though

[atomic surge]

i heard divine needs gigamax mage

for flares

[bleak moat]

w00t. I can make the helm, but I won't get the clog for it

[honest monolith]

you don't find the id 4997 distracting?

[winter seal]

well I did already have that one muted

dunno owhy they like those

same thing at nex iirc?

[quiet flicker]

i stayed

meh

fuck mining

i was about to break down chest to make legs

[honest monolith]

it's apparently the sound when the boss gets hit or smth?

[quiet flicker]

but it felt so bad

[honest monolith]

just baffling

[quiet flicker]

and u ahave to mine 😭

[bleak moat]

I'm actually kind of digging this with the one click 3 ticker

[quiet flicker]

plus i got fucked on dossiers

[atomic surge]

it's when the falling p3 things are in the air

it's a td sound effect iirc

[quiet flicker]

i saved em ttil wedsnesday and they fixed on thursday

so i was like eh

maybe i stay for contracts see if i get lucky

[winter seal]

4997 is definitely yama getting hit by anything

[honest monolith]

it shows up on p1 and p2

[atomic surge]

oh

its 9335

that is the falling one

[umbral cradle]

Distracting sounds IDs that you can mute via Annoyance Mute plugin:
Boss receiving hitsplat: 4997
Dark demonbane: 5053
Dark demonbane hitting opponent: 5035
Purging staff special attack proc: 9315
Waves pulsing: 10238
Hourglass explosion: 10255
Hourglass spawning: 9335
Paste:
4997,5053,5035,9315,10238,10255,9335

Alternatively, since there are some extra sounds I couldn't figure out...
You can explicitly whitelist these important sounds via Sound Swapper plugin:
Boss mage attack: 10272
Boss range attack: 10263
Boss finger snap: 10268
Player mage pray: 2675
Player range pray: 2677
Player melee pray: 2676
Paste:
10272,10263,10268,2675,2677,2676
(hint: Check "consume sound effects")

for bloodied blows, it seems like if u get purple glyph start you cant do the double protect tech for 4x flares

because next lap around, the fire glyph doesn't regenerate in time

just happened to me 2x in a row

[short peak]

For sound swapper plugin to make the mage range attacks easier 🙂

[atomic surge]

.

ooo

sound swapper

that is genius

[umbral cradle]

what is the syntax

[grim meteor]

i'm learning dono. can someone please explain why did the flare spawn? did i need to wait 1 more tick with that spawn?

[umbral cradle]

you got a delayed spawn

[umbral cradle]

how does it know what file to use

[atomic surge]

you put it in .runelite/SoundSwapper

[grim meteor]

what should i have done in that situation?

[misty marlin]

if your friend is maging p3 tell them to kill the void flare like a good kitten, and speed up a tick by doing a 4t emberlight where you're supposed to 5t it

[umbral cradle]

first and foremost, you should avoid causing yourself to get a delayed spawn

1. dont run south at end of judge
2. don't miss at tick at judge relative to your partner

but you should have realized that you were delayed because your partner attacked before you could move, so you should have waited to get into cycle

[umbral cradle]

what this is terrible advice, you can't just skip the 5t emberlight in the donofly cylce, you'll get meleed

[misty marlin]

if you're delayed 1t and get meleed you can

it's a fake melee that you don't take damage from, and just means you're behind one tick

[umbral cradle]

i think what ur describing is too advanced for him

he should be focused on not making this mistake or just entering cycle by waiting when he is delayed

[atomic surge]

@vast quarry are you sound swapper damen

thank you for this cool plugin

[umbral cradle]

and not some strategy to optimize ticks this happens lol

[misty marlin]

you can't really ensure you never get a delayed spawn that I know of, when I do duo melees I just always wait to enter cycle for yama to raise hand, which you are right, is the more responsible thing to do

but it's not that advanced to "speed up a tick" imo

[umbral cradle]

i never get delayed spawns

100% success rate

i know specifically what causes delayed spawns, and i avoid those triggers

[honest monolith]

I always miss the first hit intentionally in the cycle cuz it's always predictable + allows me to click on inv/prayers/spells so I find it a lot more reclined

[misty marlin]

you can't control whether your partner misses ticks

[honest monolith]

#1368632190723821729 message this is the timing

[umbral cradle]

yea maybe its just because i play with consistent partners

i think perhaps if they lose multiple ticks then it's just fricked

but if they just lose 1 tick, its them who is getting delayed

not me

[misty marlin]

safest thing is just to go to 2nd hit tile and enter when yama does his animation imo

but normally mage duos are fine to just kill a voidflare on entry

[umbral cradle]

but then 5t ur emberlight after that

because that's the next part of the cycle

[misty marlin]

yeah obv if you enter the cycle correctly you would keep doing it the normal way

[umbral cradle]

this is really misleading tho

[misty marlin]

but if you are behind a tick it's important to know you can "catch up" on the 5t part by doing a 4t hit instead

it's saved me a couple times

[umbral cradle]

ur not "speeding up a tick", ur just completely skipping the starting hit of the cycle, and instead entering at the "1" hit

ur not doing something when ur supposed to do the 5t emberlight

you're still doing the 5t emberlight exactly when ur supposed to do it

if you weren't, then the cycle would be fricked

[misty marlin]

if you get delayed 1t spawn and get meleed on entry, if you just do 4t emberlight hits for the first rotation of the cycle and then go back to the normal cycle it works

[umbral cradle]

i suppose

optimizing for failure over here lol

[honest monolith]

better than failing without having optimized for it first

[misty marlin]

like obviously it's not what you should do because you shouldn't end up in that situation but it's good to know

[umbral cradle]

its better to just have a more straightforward plan for people who are making mistakes in the first place

[misty marlin]

it helps to know too because if you lose a tick in the cycle somewhere and realize you can fix it in the exact same way

[umbral cradle]

if i was playing in a duo where my partner was so wildly inconsistent that he would lose multiple ticks at judge and potentially offset me with respect to him (if that's possible, I'm a little skeptical), then I would just wait to attack at the start instead of risking melees

[misty marlin]

yeah that's the appropriate thing to do, I agree

[umbral cradle]

i wanna see the clip from his POV though of jodge

[runic obsidian]

greg i think you way overestimate most peoples skill

probably 99% of players miss ticks at judge

[umbral cradle]

no im not, im arguing in favor of low skill

[runic obsidian]

not losing ticks while running across stones, while changing weapons and attacking is hard

[umbral cradle]

thats not what im arguing for

#1368632190723821729 message

[honest monolith]

I've just been swapping weapons the tick before I get unstalled idk if that's good or not

[grim meteor]

i've read that telling my duo to step on stone before judge dies will put him 1 tick back. would that have worked?

[misty marlin]

you have a better answer for the question "what should I do to not get meleed on the first hit" but there is also an answer for "if I get meleed on the first hit how do I fix my cycle"

[umbral cradle]

that should delay ur duo partner

so if ur the only one meleeing

I think that would gaurantee that ur on the correct tick

[umbral cradle]

there's definitely some merit to your suggestion

i think that only really applies if you have a mage partner who will take care of the void flare

but im just taking a step back and instead of saying, "here's how we deal with it when it happens", let's focus on preventing it from happening

[misty marlin]

correct, if you have an inconsistent judge partner who is also donoflying, 100% of the time just don't do the 1st hit and prevent it from ever happening

[umbral cradle]

but i agree that it's good to have a plan when it does happen too

[misty marlin]

but yeah just knowing how to "catch up a tick" if you recognize you've lost a tick somewhere is valuable, there's a few points in the cycle where you can tell if you're behind somewhere, and you can fix it on the 5t part before it turns into a melee

[umbral cradle]

Does anybody have a solution for this problem on bloodied blows?

I like the strategy but it seems to only work on fire glyph spawn, not shadow glyph

Due to the issue shown in the video

The alternative is that I have to kill the fire flares manually to save the fire glyph, since apparently it doesn't regenerate in time

er well I don't think it necessarily tied to the spawn 100%, it's also related to void flares happening at the certain time or not

It seems like nobody actually has a backup plan for the videos I'm watching, do they just gg rip if it fails?

https://youtu.be/WbR8-PX-lMQ?feature=shared&t=1837

same thing would have happened here if the fight went on longer

[grim meteor]

thanks for this. no problems anymore with mage duo

when I find a melee duo from the entrance and he wants to "dono". do I tell him to do the same and wait? I've never done melee duo before

[misty marlin]

he should know to wait, its just a mechanic of melee

[honest monolith]

there's no concrete answer to this because people do the boss in a lot of different ways atm & there's no standard practice yet that I'm aware of

generally, if they don't discuss anything with you and they fuck up, it's up to them to fix it but realistically both of you are gonna lose a kill if they don't so my advice is to just go over the entire fight beforehand

it's really annoying for the time being but it kinda is what it is

[uneven breach]

Is this summary correct for solo melee p3 methods?

Greg's donofly is less dps but consistent dealing with balls as long as you stay in rotation.

Red eye jedi's solofly - gotta react to fires north-south or east-west but easy to recover & get back into cycle. Can deal with balls either 3t or 5t

Kirby's nofly - less refined version of solofly, requiring attention paid to the boss attack cycle. Much harder but can adapt to maximize dps for wr attempts? (I'm not positive)

[misty marlin]

All donofly methods are exactly the same DPS, and don't take advantage of the tick speedups from fireballs. Gregsurf gains a tick when killing the 2nd jelly with purging staff spec that some methods don't take advantage of

Redeye's solofly forces one particular cycle in order to do the same movements to take advantage of the tick speedups. Because it forces one cycle, it loses a few ticks here and there, but should be gaining a few ticks over any fly method.

Kirby air ride (nofly) isn't one consistent cycle, but is rather the act of taking advantage of every possible tick/tick save by just adjusting to whatever cycle you are on if you lose a tick/get good/bad RNG on spawns/fireballs. This is likely what people will do for WR attempts

[atomic surge]

how are the soul rune shop stocks looking?

[uneven breach]

Me last night at wizard's guild

[uneven breach]

So i'm not interested in WRs. Would you consider red eye jedi's method to be significantly harder than gregfly?

[compact vigil]

are we getting true soul altar eventually

[uneven breach]

Still mad they screwed over extracts for soul runes

[faint lily]

Seems a lot harder cause you actually have to know the boss/timings and act on them on the fly

Donofly/Greg etc. are all like red x godwars where you just be tick perfect and follow tiles

[misty marlin]

I would say it is moderately harder, as you need to understand the Yama's 7t cycle and react to the 50/50 of fireball spawn

[atomic surge]

menaphos

probably runefest winter 2025 release august 2026

[quiet flicker]

have they talked about that?

or is that just basing off of rs3

[atomic surge]

not timeline just guessing

[honest monolith]

heard rumours at some point that they wanted it before sailing but that's not happening now

[quiet flicker]

i see

[compact vigil]

surely they could’ve made it work decently for zeah or something

you might have to tweak the balance just for souls but you could make it work

[atomic surge]

no it's the fake soul altar :)

[uneven breach]

Yeah exactly

[compact vigil]

they made blood essence work there right

[uneven breach]

Silly that’s its economical to scar bloods but not soul runes

Yup

[quiet flicker]

real

[compact vigil]

what’s the difference

[atomic surge]

I'm pretty sure blood essence predates the blood altar?

[quiet flicker]

but i think buying is just fasteer anyways no?

like way faster

even if using extracts

[compact vigil]

it does i think yes

actually

good question idr

[atomic surge]

nex

[compact vigil]

they were pretty close

[honest monolith]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1V1zcvwefyOMYL5kWdhCUlXJ2NQaqfz2Ddb2WdCg_nn0/edit if only there was a spreadsheet for this question

[compact vigil]

sotf and nex feel very similar time in my head

[atomic surge]

I prefer scar bloods saves some coin

[quiet flicker]

im p sure essence was a thing before

cause i remember using it at the old altar

is there any reasons for mains to use scar at all or is that just strictly a ironman haven lol

[atomic surge]

it's often randomly 5-10m gp/h

whenever a rune spikes pre update

[quiet flicker]

really?

[atomic surge]

cosmics were like that a couple weeks ago

[quiet flicker]

dang

[atomic surge]

scar is the price ceiling on runes

but somebody has to enforce it

but also that somebody can be literally one person nuking the price

[quiet flicker]

makes sense

[sharp lantern]

anyone wants to do duo fly pm me

[umbral cradle]

yea and not to toot my own horn, but also mine solves all waves (single + multi) in the same simple set of tiles, whereas every other method I've seen has advanced custom solutions to multi waves at different points in the cycle

[quiet flicker]

I see what u did there

[wraith summit]

is it just me or are kills suddenly taking way longer than normal this patch?

I've gone from frequent sub-5 minute solos to none under 6 minutes despite hitting the same number of arclight specs and all that

[quiet flicker]

I felt that too for the last of my kc

Maybe i just got super lucky at the beginning

[wraith summit]

I guess it's possible, it just seems egregiously off

like I'm having to do full circles of glyphs that I'm not mentally ready for since it's never taken so long to phase

p3 always going to second orbs and I'm like "wtf do I do"

[quiet flicker]

Ye idk especially the update day after yama release

He felt so tanky

I was getting sub 5 kills so often

Them going into 5;50s randomly, still gotta say p3 2nd jellies were rare af

But like p1-p2 felt so much longer

[uneven breach]

If I wanted to colorcode a different path for jellies, would there be any issues with jelly 2 being killed under Yama?

[umbral cradle]

you would just barely not get hit by doing that, so yea it would work

@uneven breach i think that's a little unnecessary though once you do it a few times, it will be super intuitive what to do

it's not much to memorize

but to each their own

[uneven breach]

Hell yeah

I appreciate that, but I am just the worst at memorization

You cooked with the tile reuse but I like to leave notes for future Kevin who doesn’t remember as much as current Kevin.

[stiff dagger]

cudgel glyphic attenuation done 💀

14 minutes lmaoo

[split pagoda]

😭

[sacred badge]

did you record it?

[stiff dagger]

i did!

[umbral cradle]

contract yama can still be defence reduced all the way to 145

258->145

[umbral cradle]

this did not work

did i do something wrong?

[winter seal]

they're aoe, are they not

[fossil mountain]

damn duo yama is legit 10x easier

first kc was solo now i get carried

[honest monolith]

I don't think I've ever quite liked bossing as much as when I'm just yapping in a chiller donofly duo

[faint lily]

Anyone got the clip of the starting from 1 tile for a fly method and timing based on Yamas finger snap?

Kinda wanna just brain off on FFA worlds when I'm duoing and delayed. Relying on teammates for cycle seems not reliable.

[sudden ocean]

pins

except you'll have to watch my duo partner do it because i do the insta start

[faint lily]

Hmm, he's farther away than my 1 tile also

Oh wait I think still 2 ticks away so should work

Thanks!

[radiant pendant]

Yall think the contracts or mechs of the fight r gonna get easier? Was watching gnomes video on it but only watched the 1st 5-10 mins

[sudden ocean]

if they don't then i'm really not interested in trying them, they sound miserable and i don't even have the required item yet

[tired ivy]

The kit contracts seem pretty reasonable for what they are

[faint lily]

So it just seems like you click right when you see Yama go to snap

[sudden ocean]

Yeh

[faint lily]

React to snap though don't predict

[sudden ocean]

From two ticks away

[faint lily]

Yeah got it

I think my issue was I was predicting when I tried it a couple of times

I could see them making it so you can't splash on bloodied blows flares at p3. That would technically make it easier

[radiant pendant]

Yeah thats what I was thinking, no way in hell am I gonna grind greater/black demons for contracts to fail continuously

[faint lily]

At least regular oathplate looks just as good as the white set.

[atomic surge]

Area sounds

Not sound effects

Scroll down in config

[umbral cradle]

tyty

was a little misleading because this tooltip says area sounds

i think it's just a mistake in the plugin

[radiant pendant]

Can u send a ss of ur entire settings for the plugin? I was also trying to do this last night but I messed up somewhere I think

[radiant pendant]

Yeah regular looks better imo, but it looks a lot like hcim gear but it goes better with inferno than the white set

[grim meteor]

so I put "10272,10263" under "Custom Area Sounds"?

[atomic surge]

5 of the pet contracts now

[grim meteor]

if I mess up the "infinite cycle" method, is there any way to get back into the cycle, or its gg?

[atomic surge]

you can get back into it but it's based on the boss's overall cycle not just its 7t attack cycle, it is not like getting back into 4:1

[median bobcat]

Yeah I generally like Gregfly a lot but my biggest issue with it is just that if you fuck up at all it’s basically gg on that kill

[languid harbor]

thats when you naked mage kill it lol

[median bobcat]

I did that when learning when I kept mage swaps but now I have no mage gear anymore

Also sometimes for gregfly the 1st void flares is out of range which sometimes trips me up

Unless I’m mistaken?

[elder sky]

Is there an explanation on how donofly works if I mess up I have no clue how to get back in if there’s a simple fix?

Haha, someone just asked the same thing

[atomic surge]

thats why you take robes

[median bobcat]

Yeah, guess it’s a little harder for 2 kill trips if I’m -3 slots for robes

[atomic surge]

sgs

[naive widget]

any adjustments y'all would make to this setup for a beginner?

[atomic surge]

meanwhile doing solo mages just ppot gated

[plush shadow]

heart with purging not that good imo

[atomic surge]

its good

[plush shadow]

idk i feel like just learn donofly and ur meleeing all the time pmuch

[naive widget]

oh, i can bank the bandos tassets i guess - same melee max hit with blue moon

yeah the plan is to donofly, just mostly wondering about how many mage switches for mistakes/judge + is bringing both defense reduction and burning claws worth it

[plush shadow]

personally i dont rrly bother with mage gear as i feel pretty comfortable getting into dono cycle/how to fix myself

but even worse case we both just go md and kill with melee

[plush shadow]

just my take but depends if ur potting with a horner or not. i dont bother with bclaws if we dont have horn/i feel like elight spec pgood to

would see what others have to say as well

[elder sky]

In the infinite donofly it doesn’t matter where the jellys spawn as long as you don’t lose ticks killing them/get meleed right

I’m not using gregs tiles fwiw if that matters

[median bobcat]

Oh I rewatched Greg’s vid I didn’t realize the void flares sw is in range, it seems farther off so I am mistaken

[atomic surge]

in the lab

[tired ivy]

https://i.imgur.com/I1BeRjR.png

[atomic surge]

not only are you going to solve the so far unbeatable fight

you will do so on your first try

surely after a few main kcs I can get it in 3 iron kcs

it really doesn't seem too awful

individual radiant contracts are a touch faster than 1 per 3h from yama btw

[tired ivy]

i got that and the horn one but no actual drops

[tired ivy]

https://i.imgur.com/u8ckrcf.png

[atomic surge]

the log was worth twice as much when i got the horn 150kc ago

[grim meteor]

what do you do instead?

[median bobcat]

There are 4 spawn locations and 3 of 4 are in range from the tile you kill the 1st one and all 4 are in range from the tile you kill the second so it’s always solvable

I was struggling in the situation where you had the two west spawns since the nw spawn is out of range but I guess I thought it was closer than sw spawn

[grim meteor]

I mean, when you fuck up the gregfly method. how do you get back into the cycle?

or do you do some other method now that makes it easier to get into the cycle?

I have same problem as you, when I fuck up, its gg for that kill. I need to mage it

[misty marlin]

It's hard but possible to get back into the cycle, you can just try to feel it out based on clicking on him as he starts his snapping animation. Otherwise just try to stand on the column where you can skip the waves over the X, and try and flinch him where possible to finish out the kill

[umbral cradle]

the demons have red symbol but I don't need glyphic attenuation anymore so im just scything them to kill them faster so it changes

and I got bloodied blows from red symbol

that's pretty pog

same thing with sensory clouding

so it looks like you can just spam kill them the way you want to, even on wrong

wow just got another sensory clouding on red too

[median bobcat]

Ah yeah mostly just mage instead of getting back in. Thinking of just learning Jedi nofly since it seems a lot easier to get back in cycle

[sudden ocean]

just a small clarification needed on jedi slide -- the two patterns he shows can happen any time, right? there's nothing special about the first fireballs, it's just one or the other depending on horizontal or vertical?

[misty marlin]

yeah, whether they spawn EastWest or NorthSouth is just 50/50

I think I'll try and learn jedislide today too, seems like it's necessary for contracts, and sits in between gregsurf and kirby nofly for difficulty vs tick speed up

[sudden ocean]

which contracts is it good for?

seems like it would fall apart if yama follows you

maybe not tbh

[misty marlin]

I think people were using it for the crush one

[wraith summit]

People were using kirby method for crush and follow one

Just the follow one is a lot harder to do it with

[atomic surge]

yeah i misread it for a week

but that is actually how it works

demons can always drop all 5 , just afk with whatever effect yuou want

and when glyph matches your rate is 2xed

so if you want bloody/sensor you just afk scythe/demonbane

which makes me think they actually did realize these were the two hardest

they have the highest droprate and the best dps option to farm

[umbral cradle]

that was so insanely stressful lol

i didnt know you could get loot on these though

i got a lockbox, all of my other runs got no regular loot

the end was so clutch jesus christ

if my emberlight didnt hit 25 dmg on last hit i would have wiped

[atomic surge]

you're going nuts wtf

jraze video has him maging it

[quiet flicker]

Is that 2/5?

[atomic surge]

with scorch bow

[quiet flicker]

Good shi

[atomic surge]

3/5

[quiet flicker]

Gzgz

[atomic surge]

but greg

please do not get 5/5 before they buff this shit

irons gotta stay united on this one

[tired ivy]

Or do so you can flame anyone who does the ez version

mostly joking

[atomic surge]

I just want to be 1/5 so my opinion counts\

[elder sky]

what do u sgs? @atomic surge

judge?

[atomic surge]

ye

[elder sky]

hmm ok

[atomic surge]

and swiftie for judge too

but i think rapier would be better

[elder sky]

how tf do u get 4 kill trips

[atomic surge]

oh in my video?

bloodfury and not fucking up

bloodfury melee is breakeven

[elder sky]

am a noob but i did 1 kill with fly and took 5 mantas + 40hp

ah bf

ye that item doesnt exist imo for moneys 🤣

[atomic surge]

bf is 150 hp per kc

[elder sky]

looks like it adds up

[atomic surge]

ye

but I highly highly reccomend sgs with horn alt instead

breakeven with rancor stay as long as you want

[elder sky]

horn works

oh lmfao

i been griefing myself for 0

[atomic surge]

watch my next video

has the patented ironscape tech from @dapper hollow

not needing to bgs/emberlight means you can perma sgs and stay healthy

[tired ivy]

If you're going for log surely you pot duo right?

[atomic surge]

ye

for pet if nothing else

[elder sky]

just bein antisocial

and learning tech

[atomic surge]

but i think solo alted horn is better for items?

I went back to mage solos to get it dialed in for contracts

hmm looks like i lost 20 million dollars on the forfeit breath contract

I am concerned bloody blows is currently impossible without wardf but not sure

[umbral cradle]

yea im waiting on bloodied blows

i hear divine severence is doable but bloodied blows p3 is just fucked up

[atomic surge]

do you have actual max mage?

[umbral cradle]

yea why do u ask?

[umbral cradle]

isnt this just dependent on ur hp value at end

[atomic surge]

yes but

you also can't go too low

or you just die

there is a very tight sweet spot in actual max

but in slightly below max I think the max oneshot hp might be in ko range?

[misty marlin]

funky thing about horn alt is that you only get 11 instead of 12 oathplate shards

[dapper hollow]

Wizzy video description shoutout is my peak fr

[misty marlin]

kinda wacky, still good to horn alt, but it is an 8% decrease in shards

[atomic surge]

I've seen people doing it now

but I didn';t see it before

[dapper hollow]

It’s more than a 8% increase in kph though isn’t it

[atomic surge]

yeah bit cringe how it rounds everything down

and i imagine it's more precise on the armor rates

[dapper hollow]

I mean you could just horn on the alt technically

And elder on the iron

[misty marlin]

hmm

[atomic surge]

which I don't own

[misty marlin]

thats actually probably good

[tired ivy]

400 with nothin https://i.imgur.com/tRNgHgZ.png

[dapper hollow]

Yeah tbh

[misty marlin]

I don't have maul but I could just horn then hammer

[atomic surge]

any damage the alt does just speeds you up

if you think about it

[dapper hollow]

Well 1 dmg is the worst right

1 dmg vs 0 is prob slowing you down

[atomic surge]

think you might also just be wrong

this was an alted kill

[dapper hollow]

Idk how the rounding works

[atomic surge]

it does exist

[misty marlin]

I got 11 in an alted kill

[atomic surge]

but it's not 1hp

[dapper hollow]

I had a 842 aether kill

[atomic surge]

it depends how much the alt hits / how long it survives

sometimes it survives for ages

unfortunately i didn't have recorder on

[dapper hollow]

If u self maul it’s -2 tick and -50% spec basically which is equiv to -5 tick

[atomic surge]

and -sgs

really is annoying imo

[dapper hollow]

You sgs solos ? Oh I wasn’t

You’d still have spec for both judges

[atomic surge]

i like the long kill rancor solo

with sgs spam

just preference

[dapper hollow]

So -7t if your alt just horns

Oh wait but you could in theory get that back by horning 3 more times lol, each one is a tick basically

So -3t ?

[misty marlin]

lol that's actually probably good

hammer spec with 100% accuracy isn't horrible dps, I'd double hammer since it doesn't full drain, then get 2 emberlights

[dapper hollow]

I prob won’t bother doing it, but it’s interesting at least

I’ve been wondering if there’s any weird horn use cases where you could spam it

[forest lagoon]

Has anyone cleared any of the acquisition contracts

[misty marlin]

Looks like a 100% accuracy dwh spec is about the same DPS as a normal emberlight hit, I'll keep doing horn maul on the alt but if I get 11 shards again I'll just have it 4x horn instead

It would be worth a 100% specbar to get 8% more shards I think

[umbral cradle]

can you tick eat the autos? (that would make it insanely difficult though l0l)

[atomic surge]

dunno

fight takes a while tho

[royal anvil]

how do u guys get game sound ids? i wanna mute the sounds in chasm of fire

[atomic surge]

Jagex auto denied my claim for lost items when I solod a bugged worm contract that is currently incompletable

[atomic surge]

sound swapper plugin at the bottom

[royal anvil]

is this them? i tried putting them into muted sounds but nothing happened

[atomic surge]

I use annoyance mute plug in to actually mute them

[royal anvil]

wizz can u send me ur settings for sound swapper and annoynace mute? i must have these numbers in the wrong spot ngl

[atomic surge]

annoyance:
,6014, 5884, 6116, 2766, 5949, 272,6996,6997,3541,3975,3964,3944,4005,4007,3230,3231,3956,3995,4018,5035,5053,10238,10255,10268,10215,9335,
area whitelist:
10272,10252,10263,10247,10251,

[royal anvil]

[sudden ocean]

same

woah i was scrolled up further than i thought

[tired ivy]

meanwhile on the main while trying a few kc before bonding up the iron https://i.imgur.com/vtD9yzu.png

[sudden ocean]

avg

[tired ivy]

got both an oathplate and horn contract but htose won't be cleared any time soon lol

[sudden ocean]

one of my potters finished the boss

missing pet and legs from log but crafted the legs

im still 0/4

in half the kc tbf

[misty marlin]

how many shards/oathplate drop is expected?

[old phoenix]

I finished with 804 kc, enough shards for my missing 1 piece

[misty marlin]

I feel like that's gotta be the better way to see how your RNG is, kinda like nex

[old phoenix]

No pet/chest on log tho

My duo friend got 450 shards around 650 kc (lucky)

Another one buddy of mine is at 400 shards at 800 kc

[slow vigil]

aware this is giga but virtus mask + unfort ward + max mage otherwise w/ augury also maxes an 84, so should handle these fine. Less sure about bloodied blows since that's more about the min hit

[royal anvil]

does anyone have yamas finger snap sound id?

i thought someonie said 10268 was finer snap but that seems to be the sound effect of fireballs once they explode in p3

[atomic surge]

it is in the IDs that i already provided to you.

[quiet flicker]

Did the duo ones get cleared yet?

Like worm or crystals

[tired ivy]

idk

[royal anvil]

ah i was putting in wrong area for some reason

[atomic surge]

do you need to normal trident the spawns if you don't pull up to them?

forfeit breath

[atomic surge]

I think I didn't die because I ran out of run energy while I was frozen

[atomic surge]

1kc on da main

[slow vigil]

in the span of the past hour, nofly has gone from "what the fuck there's so much to keep track of" to "this is my favorite method to kill any boss in the game ever"

10/10

[atomic surge]

is nofly just gregfly by gnomonkey?

or is there some trick to it?

is that the 3t one?

can't even come close to keeping track at this point

[slow vigil]

it's the jedi one that @umbral cradle mentioned he was learning for the crush contract

3t yeah, gotta actually pay attention to the fireballs

[atomic surge]

that sounds fun

[slow vigil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG05xEhsnkY this video is good for commentary, but I didn't really get it until studying these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hpLrDCrcVg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbzf6PJYto4

sorry for embed spam

[atomic surge]

why is it called nofly if jedi made it and its called simplefly

[slow vigil]

idfk

[split pagoda]

no butterflying

[atomic surge]

ohh i see

[slow vigil]

you know that makes sense

[atomic surge]

so it basically treats yama as a frozen p3 verzik

[slow vigil]

the annoying part about the redeye video is that horizontal fireballs are way harder than vertical fireballs

and he only gets them once at the start where they don't cause problems

as soon as I started thinking about the boss in terms of verzik though and actively thinking "I need to be away on tick 7" everything clicked

red eye good for intro, 2nd two vids + descriptions good for really learning

[split pagoda]

kirby has a vid on it too now

[slow vigil]

takes some attempts but super satisfying

[atomic surge]

but be careful im pretty sure awakened is 6t

so itll be a bit different

[slow vigil]

kirby's is more complex but also more optimized

this is a good like, intro to 3t

idk about y'all but I could not follow kirby's guide

[split pagoda]

fair

[slow vigil]

just checked, I think the difference between normal/contract is that he's 7t the entire fight, instead of just enrage

the biggest gotcha in the method is stepping in to dodge flamewalls. Instead of stepping in sametick with his attack you have to step 1 tick delayed, other than that it's kinda vibes

and apparently in awakened the double flamewall has a totally different timing 🙃

still this seems doable, def wanna get comfy with it and then send glyphic atten

[umbral cradle]

i can try to make a video explaining how I mentally think about the 3t hourglass stuff

made that would help people

i think I can explain a more straightforward thought process

[slow vigil]

I think that'd be generally useful to have yeah

[umbral cradle]

its not as complicated as some of these guides are making it out to be

they are like hyper min maxing it

[slow vigil]

I know I had to watch a bunch of vids and read a bunch of comments/descriptions before getting something that worked for me

[umbral cradle]

and it becomes unapproachable

[slow vigil]

vertical = click when the next set appears, horizontal = click when you're about to get hit (roughly) is the mnemonic that made it consistent for me

and after that it was just having the 7t timer in my head for stepaways when there were no fireballs to use as visual guides

looking forward to hearing how you think about it

[misty marlin]

do you use a 7t visual metronome for this? I just started learning nofly like 90 min ago and I'm strugglin

wondering if i need one

[royal anvil]

anyone for some yama?

[slow vigil]

it'd def be useful, I'm just kinda used to counting in my head by now though. There's some tech around resetting visual metronome when the judge dies, but I'm not sure the exact tick

[royal anvil]

if someone can figure that out, id give em a big juicy hug

[slow vigil]

from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbzf6PJYto4

[misty marlin]

I'm trying that, clicking reset as soon as the number disappears, but my tick to click off is 5 instead of 6

I can get used to that but it's different so just be careful

Oh that's because he has a checkbox to reset his tick to tick 1 instead of tick 0

[uneven breach]

5 is the magic number for verzik as well if you reset when reacting to an attack

[royal anvil]

@misty marlin can u post ur settings for the plugin?

[misty marlin]

i think the only important settings are tick count and the hotkey settings

[umbral cradle]

i dont think hotkeys are really useful here

Use the "+2" rule to identify the boss tick:

1. For P1, look at your tick counter on the tick that you press the final "yes" in the dialogue. Take this number +2, and that is the important tick where you need to click to step back. For example, if I press "yes" on tick 2, then I need to click back on tick 4,

2. For P2 and P3, spam click to move (as normal). Look at your tick counter on the first tick your true tiles moves. Add +2 and that is the important tick to step backwards.

[vast quarry]

jagex had to be trolling us with the worm contract

[runic obsidian]

🪱

[atomic surge]

oo

they got it done

after a 15 hour stream

[umbral cradle]

seems balanced

[atomic surge]

they are going to crash the wormconomy

[royal anvil]

does anyone know the sound id for the sounds of the lava/fire and random bird chirping at voice of yama? i have visual sounds and debug sound effects on but its not picking up anything

[fossil mountain]

what if the worm is some like pet transmog or something

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-pet-gif-19251765

1/50 to unlock the real yama pet

[elder sky]

what causes late entry into yama p3?

i thought it was host but i still got meleed idk if i did something wrong

[languid harbor]

one of life's great mysteries

[split pagoda]

last I heard the theory was if you get overkill on judge

I haven't been keeping track though

[languid harbor]

how cope is it to make legs and come back once i get a torva helm which gives 2 extra max hits

[split pagoda]

I would be hesitant to smith anything that isn't my last piece

and you have no idea if torva helm will be a 200h detour

[stiff dagger]

we did it fellas 5/5 no alts

[split pagoda]

No alts is insane

good shit

[sacred badge]

World first altless?

[split pagoda]

and you won't have to worry about the aether runes

might be world first. time to lobby for a cool role so you can maintain the legacy

[umbral cradle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CZjKw_e04Q

finishing making that vid we were talking about earlier to help people out

inb4 misinformation

[deep pawn]

how many contracts mr bread? i might be overfarming these

[stiff dagger]

actually just calculated that 😄

In the order I did them:
5 Forfeit breath
13 Glyphic attenuation (had to use cudgel)
41 Bloodied blows
8 Divine severance
33 Sensory clouding

[elder sky]

insane gamer

[deep pawn]

13 no alts with cudgel gives people hope 😄

[umbral cradle]

HAD to i thought it was just for flex

[stiff dagger]

lmao

was considering just waiting 3 days and doing that one last when i can buy a mace

but it wasn't too bad, just slow really

elder maul camping is about the same dps i calced 😄

just watched my vid back and i missed both mauls on the kill i got the cudgel kc XD

[quaint stratus]

Is Lance/hasta not bettter?

[stiff dagger]

hasta might be (lance isn't) but I didn't have one either 😄

[quaint stratus]

Fair enough

[stiff dagger]

ooh hasta got prayer bonus too

[quaint stratus]

I assume crush scythe blows

[stiff dagger]

yeah it's awful

[quaint stratus]

Nice tho, just in time too 😉

Surely we can get you a Yama champion role to legacy or something fun

[stiff dagger]

yeah it was nice to have one last challenge to round off the ironman 🙂

[quaint stratus]

Ya for sure

[stiff dagger]

feels kinda complete now, would've felt a bit sad if i'd done it all as a main

[quaint stratus]

Ya the contract buffs made it way easier w your timeline

[umbral cradle]

@stiff dagger after doing bloodied blows yourself, do you think it's likely that they will nerf it in some aspect?

like the whole splashing thing for starters

[stiff dagger]

The splashing thing I'm sure they'll fix yeah, that seems like an obvious oversight

I think that's the only thing that makes it so much harder though

Like p3 your main constant focus is on:

• keeping HP 10-15/11-16
• switching prayers
• dodging waves

then situationally you need to swap gear and deal with flares, but the splashing means there's like a whole extra thing to have constant focus on

I think once the splashing is removed it gets a lot easier

probably well over 20 of my 40 deaths on that one were because I splashed on something and that either directly killed me as it didn't die, or the fact I had to send extra shots out of cycle messed me up

my kc on that one was basically the first time that everything just died in 1 hit without splashing, which feels like the way they intended it

[atomic surge]

@stiff dagger can you post the demons log please

[faint lily]

Do you have to sit lower without ward (f) compared to regular ward?

For bloodied blows

[stiff dagger]

This was mobile, but was a mix of all 3 drop rates, and doing lots off-glyph too

[radiant pendant]

@stiff dagger do u think majority of the contracts will be made a fair amount easier or just the orbs?

[faint lily]

Oh I guess we will have new torm and new magic strength boots by the time I attempt this. Maybe will help you be a bit higher for p3

[stiff dagger]

You have the same base max hit with ward unfortified, so I don't think so, but it may be that the minimum hit works different

[stiff dagger]

I don't think any will/should be changed with the exception of splashing on the flares

[atomic surge]

Hopefully they remove contract fee altogether

but the fights themselves look fun

looking forward to doing bloody blows myself

[stiff dagger]

Yeah I thought they were insanely fun, all of them different

[atomic surge]

I just don't have much afk time to do 3k black demons

[faint lily]

Gotcha. Maybe ward (f) + new torm/mage strength boots let's you be higher HP then

[lament canopy]

reddit sentiment this morning seemed to be that they were really boring fights

[atomic surge]

reddit is parrotting jraze

[faint lily]

My main concern with them is how long they are. They didnt need to be awakened whisperer length fights

Hp at 2500 is fine for all of them besides maybe bloodied

[atomic surge]

p1 is giga dull i think p2 is fine

if anything p1 should be more like p2

[stiff dagger]

I didn't really feel like that either tbh, they're longish but engaging, you need to actually think about what you're doing the whole time

I think the slow build into a hard final phase is great, like inferno or colo

[heady atlas]

0time if you do it on your alt

[royal anvil]

how long does it take to mine the secondary to make oathplate armour?

[honest monolith]

explain the alts

[atomic surge]

1/5

why do I have eight bank spaces worth of contracts

[radiant pendant]

Can store them in briefcase

[atomic surge]

[slow vigil]

Awesome vid ❤️

[sudden ocean]

i would make contracts less common but kit contracts are consumed when you use them but they give you unlimited attempts until you succeed, at which point they are consumed

[dapper hollow]

The afk method is 10 hours or so, the tick manip is like 45 minutes if ur tick perfect

So even trolling its prob a bit over an hour

[atomic surge]

too late

the current supply is so much

[sudden ocean]

delete all existing ones from the game

or thanos snap half of them

[quiet flicker]

What was the message

[heady atlas]

Just him asking about shale or something

Idr

[faint lily]

Gotta wait 1 month for the NPC outside Yama to store contracts for you

[quiet flicker]

On his alt or

[heady atlas]

No, he refuses to acknowledge his alt account

[vast quarry]

ty @umbral cradle

straight to the point was much better than malgoats vid ngl

[atomic surge]

is there a reason nobody has done capeswap to ancients for sensory clouding? Freeze the guy and trident the flares

or even trident > blood barrage

[azure laurel]

Can you not do scobow spec?

[elder sky]

what do ppl spec in no horn duos

[honest monolith]

3x emberlight

[vast quarry]

i honestly bring my alt in

and horn anyway

[atomic surge]

this was lowkey working really well 👀

[quiet flicker]

Based

[sudden ocean]

do you not need purging staff for the flares?

and if not, for which contracts 👀

[atomic surge]

they spawn at 80hp

during p3

so you can 2 tap them with trident

and during p1/p2 just 3hit the fire and skip the shadow

[vast quarry]

so ur going in with just ancients right

no cape swap?

[atomic surge]

got to 800hp second try

I think I might be cooking

[atomic surge]

yea

gonna also bring scobow

[vast quarry]

is this melee kill or

mage entire fight

[devout coyote]

i was just doing 1 ember each with toodles

vibes say 3rd isnt worth..

[atomic surge]

mage everything

[vast quarry]

[atomic surge]

just waiting for scobow to buy

and probably +stam

[split pagoda]

cant believe u would mage without a wizzy hat g

[azure laurel]

Wizard boots is bis wiz* item for him

[heady atlas]

Man's a true mta hater

[heady atlas]

What part of fight is scobo for?

[atomic surge]

whenever

probably pre orbs in p3 mostly

ok how do i get out of here

[heady atlas]

Ancients? Home tele edge

[atomic surge]

THIS IS A ONE WAY SHORTCUT

[heady atlas]

Minigame tp

Barb assault

Or nmz or sometbing

[atomic surge]

thank you

I will get this done later but I do think this is the way to go

[ruby stump]

great guide, 1nd'd it in a solo

the no delay really does it for me

[umbral cradle]

glad to hear that it's helping people

[rocky mango]

can I even be happy? Lol

[compact vigil]

what method should i use for solo enrage with melee

havent rly kept up with anything

[sudden ocean]

gregfly

[compact vigil]

ty

[cobalt jungle]

I have one for horn and oath, I’m still waiting for the nerds to lab it

[atomic surge]

gregfly is comfy but "nofly" is much better for the melee transmog fight so worth considering learning

I will be learning it when I go back to melee

[misty marlin]

has anyone done the math on how many more Emberlight hits you get from a nofly rotation vs a gregsurf rotation

I'm learning nofly for future contracts practice but I'm not convinced it's worth doing for solo grinding

[median bobcat]

There’s a duo vid where one person is doing donofly and one simplefly (Jedi not max efficiency nofly) and I actually counted the difference in hits, think it was like 13 nofly vs 12 donofly hits in that clip iirc

There were some scythe swings in the donofly 5t window too so it’s a little closer than that

And with simplefly it’s kinda rng how good your dps is depending on which wave patterns you get

[misty marlin]

yeah I'm probably not going to learn WR nofly, just do the red eye forced method, and I don't feel like switching to scythe for optimal tick usage if its barely better than an emberlight hit

[median bobcat]

https://youtu.be/0MmCkSPgc-g?si=ouuxQ0dfVmxyq62W

[misty marlin]

sounds like it's just nofly for contract practice/backup strat for if I mess up gregsurf, but gregsurf for normal farming

[median bobcat]

This is the vid I counted hits from

Since nofly is better dps and easier to get back into if you fuck it up id just probably say do nofly

Seems like donofly was 13 hits and nofly 14

Though in that clip looks like he only got the slower rotation of bombs so would maybe be more different otherwise

[forest lagoon]

Anyone else just not getting the range rota?

Ive seen it once

[forest lagoon]

wtf

[vast quarry]

had it a few times this session

[forest lagoon]

supppose its just bad luck then

[deep pawn]

https://i.imgur.com/hb6eJcH.png

definitely feels like ranged is rare

[vast quarry]

is the trident supposed to max hit?

cus mine was not on the orbs

[atomic surge]

Yes?

[vast quarry]

was hitting 12

[atomic surge]

It did for me lol

[vast quarry]

8

12

14

[atomic surge]

Skill issue maybe? (I have no idea)

I was doing Forfeit breath and sensory deprivation

[vast quarry]

yeah i was doing sensory clouding

mage wasnt max hitting

[atomic surge]

No clue

It was for me earlier

[vast quarry]

guess ill wait till gagec says any updates wednesday

[forest lagoon]

I cant help but feel like grasp is terrible for the snare contract

like you cant instantly resnare so it has to be procing like half hte time at most

[misty marlin]

I think it is fine because it's a "snaring spell"

so the demon doesn't have to be currently frozen, as long as you last hit with grasp

[balmy raft]

as i understand it its not even worth trying on the shittier contracts vs using scythe

2x more common but undead grasp is way worse than half dps of a scythe

[misty marlin]

but you can't get the freeze drop catalyst if you're scything

forfeit breath you have to kill while it is bound, or with a binding spell

[sudden ocean]

I've also only seen it once but I only farmed for like a day

[vast quarry]

@atomic surge

looks like its accuracy affected

i was using an accursed sceptre (my bis) and it wasnt maxing

but when i used shadow barrage (which has weird accuracy shit) it was max hitting each itme

time*

[quiet flicker]

wait can anyone explain why we needed 3 melee sets in the game btw

[vast quarry]

3?

[compact vigil]

had to catch up with range

[vast quarry]

inquis, justi, bandos, torva, oath, blood moon

[quiet flicker]

meh ill let blood moon slide

fuck justi

[swift thistle]

mixed hide for stab

[misty marlin]

if anyone is just casually farming, try to get hit by the flame inchworms in p1/p2 while walking

im pretty sure its not possible

i think they only hit you if you're on the same tile for over a tick

[sudden ocean]

dw next we'll get specialized sets for light range, med range, and heavy range

[quiet flicker]

cant wait

[vast quarry]

cant wait to be able to take Justiciar to the ancient forge and break them down into plates I can use on Inquisitor

[umbral cradle]

gregfly is good like reckless said, but you can also try 3t "nofly" if you want a more engaging method that's a bit more efficient & sweatier

I made a vid sharing my approach to learning it since the existing video guides were pretty opaque unapproachable: #1368632190723821729 message

and here's the gregfly v2 pinned message: #1368632190723821729 message

I never wanted to bother with nofly because I just wanted a brain-off cycle, and it's still like 95% as efficient. However, the Glyphic Attentuation contract basically forced me to learn 3t, it felt like a brick wall without that

[compact vigil]

🙏 thanks greg

[umbral cradle]

[sudden ocean]

how come fly methods don't work for glyphic?

[umbral cradle]

the shadow waves X intersection is randomized between 3 rows

can be regular center, or one to the left/right

I don't think you can predict if ur gunna get left/right/center

[sudden ocean]

oic

[umbral cradle]

however it might be possible that a souped up donofly exists

[sudden ocean]

adjust cycle for whether you get left right or center waves

[umbral cradle]

this is why I learned nofly

glyphic attenuation p3 just felt so impossible to me that it just felt straight up easier to stop trying, learn 3t for an hour, then go back

brute forcing it without that would have been genuinely harder imo

and ive also learned something cool from doing that, and I apply it in regular yama farming now

[sudden ocean]

i tried learning jedi slide for a bit and started to get it down but then thought wtf this is pointless yama is gonna follow me anyway

good to know its good for glyphic too

[quartz glen]

Am i missing something or is full torva bis over full oathplate at yama??

calc above assumes 3 emberlight specs

[umbral cradle]

does wiki dps have 120% demonbase for yama yet

oh that's with berserker ring (i)

no ultor?

[quartz glen]

nmy b one sec

[swift thistle]

the radas blessing 3 is also a nice touch

[quartz glen]

LOL

[umbral cradle]

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=MoltenMarksmanPortraiture

[quartz glen]

i put my current setup then modified the stuff that matters X D

[swift thistle]

lmao yep was gonna say

1 torva should be better

[umbral cradle]

torva helm + oath body/legs is bis

that's gunna be the standard in a lot of places where you are inbetween 75%-90% accurate (according to kirby)

[quartz glen]

thanks

[umbral cradle]

kirby said:

• 90% accurate = full torva + ultor

• 75%-90% accurate = torva helm + oathplate body/legs + ultor
• <75% accurate = full oathplate + bellator

(or something like that)

and this might just be for scythe idk

[swift thistle]

well in the instance above even if you have no def reduction it's still better

yeah prob just scythe

[runic obsidian]

loot from just under 3k greaters

anyone else have a log to share? to maybe estimate rates

[atomic surge]

New mechanic drop

[vast quarry]

im cookin u psomething

need SOTD tho

[umbral cradle]

you can just camp heavy ammo even on wrong symbol btw

if u want to target farm a specific contract

basically when you complete a piece of the transmog, you should drop those weapons/gear from your demon killing setup entirely

[forest lagoon]

I was wondering how that worked. For now it makes sense to keep going with the rota till I have like 50+ of each

[sudden ocean]

the logical thing to do is camp lesser demons til you get a champ scroll then send whatever contracts you have