Yama - May 14

[balmy raft]

i don't know how to explain it exactly but i can feel it in my balls after 400kc now and usually equip my purging staff right before being teled

[radiant pendant]

Yeah from what I’ve noticed once he hits 65% I just throw on purging staff and throw an auto at him until he phases us

[radiant sky]

you can for sure have the staff on almost all the time when he teleports you but i wouldnt attack him with it

i just swap back to emberlight if he doesnt tele me on the auto

and then go back to staff for his next auto

unless he decides to do it exactly on my attack timer

but its not worth losing emberlight hits just to have your staff equipped

in that case ud be better off sitting there on a stone doing mod mat k switches to figure it out after

[radiant pendant]

I’m hoping they change the phasing delay you get. Not being able to change gear and just sitting there for a tick or 2 is so annoying

[radiant sky]

i doubt thats going away but maybe we can get sotetseg style teleporting so it happens instantly at x % hp

[radiant pendant]

Yeah or that

[radiant sky]

do you actually have to chisel the infernal shale 1 at a time

"Each infernal shale can be crushed into 1–3 crushed infernal shale. If the player has multiple shale in their inventory while crushing it, multiple shale will sometimes be consumed simultaneously without a noticeable increase in output; this can be prevented by only having 1 shale in the inventory when crushing it. Average yield is roughly 1.3 crushed shale per shale with a full inventory, or 1.6 crushed shale per individual shale. "

how has this not been hotfixed lol

or is this some weird incentive to make ppl do barblore

[atomic surge]

It's awful

4h done 8h to go

[radiant sky]

should prob just wait

honestly logging out for 3 days is prob meta for yama

they've already done the nerf so only buffs to go

in terms of all parts of it

[deep pawn]

logging out seems like the meta for contracts at least 😄

[radiant sky]

ye im thinking a contract buff from yama is very likely and this mining method has good odds of not being intentional

also just want to say that i was right about this update being a crazy buff for bots

the mining area already has bots

this guy has apparently been cutting his logs instead of using the cloth all day now and doesnt respond to messages

[deep pawn]

skilling purist rejecting the gnome cloth

[radiant sky]

he's such a young talent, already pulling 10 hour shifts 3 tick mining at 1600 total

[deep pawn]

watch this space, big things coming from lucizo

[sudden ocean]

i am on the fence about this cause it kinda rewards you for paying attention to the hp but fuck it feels so clunky

not knowing whether the bombs are gonna explode when you dropped him below 65% two attacks ago is always fun at least

[royal anvil]

u guys think i should bring bgs+burning claws or just 1 of the 2

[sacred badge]

what's the deal with your alt?

[radiant sky]

find a duo with horn or bgs+sgs probably

but with no horn i found myself using almost all my spec on bgs

maybe 2 divine setups aren't realistic with no horn tho so ud rather burning claw than sgs

hmm yeah i think itd have to be bgs and burning claw with 1 divine trips

just claw when u get lucky and do 80 with 1 bgs

and other than that save spec for next kill

[royal anvil]

kk, also would u know why sometimes mark od farkness last 5 minutes and other times it last 1 minute

[forest lagoon]

Its jokes, but the cloth is jank compared to classic 3t

Its like celestrus bark skilling but the action happens a tick faster

[sacred badge]

what's the deal with your alt?

[forest lagoon]

the purging staff passive extends it to 5min when equiped

so cast it while purging staff is equiped

[royal anvil]

oh shit tysm

[sacred badge]

what's the deal with your alt?

[atomic surge]

Wdym by not intentional?

[radiant sky]

that part

its either intentional and some sort of training wheel for barblore or its a bug that will be patched soon

[radiant sky]

do we have rough numbers on kph for solos yet with horn+maul alt

curious if anyone has tried to make a rough calc on if lockboxes push duos into being better or if solos win cuz of downtime

[balmy raft]

duos just win, no downtime is overcoming 12%

[sacred badge]

Duos have the pet edge too

[balmy raft]

esp with a boss you can respawn instantly

[sacred badge]

And EHB inflation

[surreal rock]

trip length also favours duo

unless you're really good at solo I guess

[radiant sky]

id imagine we will have 2x divine solo trips too eventually

tbh it shouldnt even be all that hard since you get way more spec by making the alt horn+maul

you get at least 2x sgs specs per kill

[surreal rock]

I just do solo if I can't find anybody to duo

duo is just reclined and better for pet

[radiant sky]

i just spam more if i cant find anyone to duo

[surreal rock]

thats enough for me

[radiant sky]

ye i want the pet

[balmy raft]

if I borught sgs to duos I could probably stay for as long as divines go but rather just claw

[radiant sky]

i think trip length prob saves more time than claw but claw does feel good to use so i guess i can see that

[balmy raft]

probably but in duo ur also gated by the other person

[radiant sky]

personally i just do 1x elder and 1x sgs per kill in duos

[balmy raft]

and honestly the boss is a pretty quick bank

[radiant sky]

and it fits perfectly since i regen about 100% spec per kill i think

[balmy raft]

like 30s bank every 7 kills or whatever

[radiant sky]

ah ye ive just had duos who want to 2x divine

i bring 1 divine and claws if its a random

[radiant sky]

okay i cant relate to that part

ive had a lot of duos who ill sit 2 min+ in cave waiting for

maybe thats why i like sgs so much

[umbral cradle]

[atomic surge]

I bring bf switch

With no fuck ups can basically stay forever

[surreal rock]

your tiles are goated for solo btw

[umbral cradle]

‼️

[tired ivy]

I like this one for duos, just the reckless tiles with the 3rd dodge for non-host. feels pretty cozy https://streamable.com/mx3nec

prob just gonna stick with that for now

[royal anvil]

my buddy was using yamas sw tile after meleeing on number 2 tile and he liked it alot aswell

only part i get rekt at in duos is when the donofly doesnt work anymore for waves lol

[old phoenix]

Try this, brain off
https://youtu.be/Ee_zOs0Z528?si=v5evZa6YZn4Y3LFJ

[quiet flicker]

hmm ngl liking the solos

i might bring sgs and i prob could do 3kill trips

im out of my 8 mantas by 2 just from chip

[royal anvil]

r drops more common in solo? or same as duos?

[quiet flicker]

no clue, just wanted to learn for next week

[umbral cradle]

drop mechanics are in blog/wiki i believe

[royal anvil]

kk ty, also dayoh did u make a solo yama vid for melee?

[quiet flicker]

yee

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHlVbfZ02G0

[royal anvil]

ty sir

[umbral cradle]

[quiet flicker]

judge is my worst enemy

judge>yama

[umbral cradle]

i can make a vid to help spread awareness on what causes the delays

[quiet flicker]

nah im used to the delays by now

its just tanking a hit like an idiot not losing ticks

😭

[quiet flicker]

its prob gonna be fixed anyways, i cant see them keeping it like that (if they can)

[umbral cradle]

i think its kinda cool

hcims can force tank on other player by intentionally delaying

and its this skillful factor to account for

if you notice your teammate messes up, you can loss a tick to sync with them

[quiet flicker]

yea it does add another layer of skill i agree

but it feels spaghetti

[umbral cradle]

yea it's slightly bullshit LOL

i wonder if we even have it completely solved

there might be additional factors

[quiet flicker]

its satisfying to adapt tho

i like it

[umbral cradle]

tbh its shocking that there are two entirely separate factors

[quiet flicker]

true

[umbral cradle]

and i dont FULLY fully understand it

like if ur 2 ticks offset, or 3 ticks offset

ive seen us be offset and then we spawn same tick

but generally if you:

1. are on same tick (nobody lost a tick)
   and
2. did not run to south edge of island
   then you'll come out on same tick

and by generally, that's a 100% correlation

[quiet flicker]

does it matter what tick ur on in general? lets say u both miss a tick, will that still count?

[umbral cradle]

I don't think I've seen an example yet where it went wrong and we don't know why

[quiet flicker]

or does it need to be ticklossless

[umbral cradle]

I believe if you both miss a tick then it's good

[quiet flicker]

I see, yeah sometimes we just extend our trips losing tick at judge

to not get hit

[umbral cradle]

I've seen it plenty of times where my partner's hitsplat appears delayed and im like "oh shit he must have lost a tick" so I intentially lose a tick too to re-sync with him. Then we come out perfectly fine

[quiet flicker]

id rather miss a couple ticks than reebank

sometimes

[umbral cradle]

thats for like max eff though

if u want to be chill

there is a way to just stand next to yama and react to the animation to enter

no sweat

[quiet flicker]

ye

sometimes i have to wait for snap

but like

were good with the normal start id say like 90%+ of the time

brainlag and shit missing ticks

Did they intend for butterfly to be a thing or did they just expect us to melee p1,p2 and mage p3 i wonder

cause doing meelee p3 the intended way is just so shit

[atomic surge]

What causes the delays?

I didn't realize it was fixable on behalf of teammate

But if I can do that as host my trips would be 1000x smoother

[lone storm]

Is there any dps calc that has everything updated? 120% demonbane, updated magic defense when standing still?

[umbral cradle]

#1368632190723821729 message

If you are delayed, you made a mistake

[atomic surge]

Can you be delayed as host?

[umbral cradle]

yes either player can be delayed

[atomic surge]

Don't think it ever happens to me

Maybe I'm the GOAT

[umbral cradle]

That's probably because you play in a consistent way

try running to southern edge of island just Judge that you do

or even more egregious, running backwards on stepping stones

you'll get delayed

[atomic surge]

So if coworker hitsplats are 1t behind me, and I kill judge and their hitsplat doesn't appear for last hit, I can run south and sametick us? On the good tick?

Or are we both on bad tick then

[quiet flicker]

coworkeris crazy

[atomic surge]

For you maybe

[royal anvil]

can i use the tiles for the solo kill in a duo to practice them? https://youtu.be/gHlVbfZ02G0?si=Ml3Fc0EsUmCw5UzO from this video or is solo different for timing?

and would u guys say this is the meta as of right now to learn

and lets i try using the tiles in a duo as non host would they work or strictly solo

[heady atlas]

Just duo with your alt

[umbral cradle]

It will work as non-host in duo, essentially perfectly fine. Consider these 3 cases:

1. You have average dps. You'll kill it before there's any problem

2. You have bad dps. You're at risk of taking 1 hourglass hit, same as regular donofly, as you run back from the 4.1 tile when Void Flares spawn. To dodge this, implement the same fix people have been using for regular donofly, which is to run one tick south after you step on 4.1 and then attack and continue as normal (instead of waiting an extra tick on 4.1).

3. You have astronomically bad 0.001% dps and get even deeper. I believe you'll take another hourglass coming back from J.2 (same spot as 4.1 essentially) after the Void Flares are killed

ive been getting asked this question a ton

maybe i should see if the solve can be tweaked to account for duo hourglass diagonal as well

[surreal rock]

I hope not, its 100% skill issue if you get delayed

[umbral cradle]

based

[quiet flicker]

I agree

Im just saying it feels like something that would be fixed cus of reeddit

[royal anvil]

man burning claws feel so terrible here, idk if my rng is buns but they hit 0 or in the 20s so often

[surreal rock]

I think reddit just mage camps

[royal anvil]

can i use the tile marked "4" instead of ur "4.1" tile like in the video? or will that mess it up? i just dont wanna wait the tick

[umbral cradle]

id say give it a try and see what happens

[royal anvil]

kk

[umbral cradle]

if you wouldn't mind you could record a clip too so we can see

[royal anvil]

ye ill try and get a clip,buddy just pmed me to send some, but i think it should work since i use that tile normally

[quiet flicker]

why dont we have a yama sim yet?

didnt we have a sol sim day1

[tired ivy]

No point when you can just go click the boss init

[quiet flicker]

tru

[full shuttle]

Is there an example of the perfect way to run judge? Does it change whether you pre equip mage or not?

[brave bronze]

yea it works

[sudden ocean]

you can equip mage on the bridge but it's hard to not lose ticks

[brave bronze]

was the first thing i modified when i tried dayoh's method

it's basically just the same as dono->mono strats

[fathom fox]

The fact that the phase transition is seemingly random is really annoying

I feel like it should just be 66/33 % instantly phases

That way you can pre switch

[brave bronze]

works perfectly https://youtu.be/M2-z9Jjo6R0

[runic obsidian]

Also makes it hard to tell whether we need to deal with orbs

Really annoying

[fathom fox]

Yea and I swear in p3

Every time I go in for a blcaw spec he spawns an orb

[balmy raft]

you can either pre equiip mage or 1t equip staff and click judge

you should only need a 1way mage swap to 4 hit it anyway so just do 1way swap

cause u need to stall on the stones 1t to avoid fireballs somestimes if that happens you need to 1t swap back to melee and hit judge so easier if 1 way

[fathom fox]

That’s a good idea honestly

[atomic surge]

crazy cook

for alt horn duo, 2x horn emberlight

reduce melee chip

[atomic surge]

this is really cool thank you @umbral cradle

[umbral cradle]

wait wut is

[atomic surge]

the tiles

[umbral cradle]

❤️

‼️

[atomic surge]

did I miss a tick?

I think I must have clicked off 4 late

[harsh trellis]

I was doing this in a duo where my mage partner killed the Void Flares, and I swear I would always get hit by the smite walls once the Void Flares spawned

yeah I think that strat isn't meant to work out of the box in a duo setup where the meleer doesn't hit the Void Flares, as you end up NW and get hit by the wall coming

[umbral cradle]

didnt wait on 4

[umbral cradle]

yea hitting the void flares as meleer is a very specific part of the ticks

its all tick perfect u cant change anything

[atomic surge]

you gotta wait on 4?

[umbral cradle]

yea, apparently Yoms said u can just move if here if u dont like wait #1368632190723821729 message

[atomic surge]

I don't like it

thank you

have yet to actually get a kc with it

but I am learning

had to unlearn monofly

[umbral cradle]

l0l

and use C center tile as mage backup

if u giga fail

[atomic surge]

this one you have to get on the right tile

if you spawn backrow

monofly you don't

[harsh trellis]

is there a set that works better for duo mage/melee?

[umbral cradle]

jsut get flares as meleer

if u wanna maintain the cycle idk

force ur partner to do it too

ull kill it way faster

[harsh trellis]

LMAO agreed

[atomic surge]

can you not just have 1 donofly 1 afk mage

and it does not matter

[umbral cradle]

u can

[harsh trellis]

does donofly work permanently? I thought it runs into the same issue

[umbral cradle]

mine works permanently

donofly does not

[harsh trellis]

ye exactly

[tired ivy]

Does the 3 dodge cycle work indefinitely after rotation 3? Never gotten past that point

[umbral cradle]

what 3 dodge cycle are you referring to

are you talking about my cycle or some else's

like using the J tile stuff in mine?

[tired ivy]

The donofly variant that dodges on 3 for the non-host

[umbral cradle]

are you talking about 4.1 then running south

[tired ivy]

Ye

[umbral cradle]

not sure about the "3" ur referring to, maybe a different tile set

[umbral cradle]

yea i think it should be the same

[tired ivy]

3rd cycle I mean

[atomic surge]

I think I hit 1t late on 'start'?

[atomic surge]

I did it!

this is a lot of fun

miles off of the sub 4 GM speed though

[umbral cradle]

ikr

other than the narnia 2 tile its pretty comfy too

[atomic surge]

for me I just don't like the attacks off of start and 3

keep swinging a tick early

gonna terrorize some duos to get used to the core movement a bit more

[umbral cradle]

l0l

and u can just run the core pattern in my tiles the same as donofly

it's really no better or worse than donofly for duos

[atomic surge]

yeah that's the plan

the jellies actually feel super easy

[harsh trellis]

you can skip the first attack and start at J1, and wait for Yama to start an animation before attacking

[umbral cradle]

yea

[atomic surge]

especially when i realzied you have a free tick after j2

[harsh trellis]

so you don't have to worry about delaying a tick or not

[atomic surge]

that movement isnt even tick perfect to get to j3

[umbral cradle]

yea

how many jelly sets did u get

on your solo?

[atomic surge]

and its ok to miss the 3way getting to j2 as long as you get the ember

so far only 1

[umbral cradle]

ah ok

[atomic surge]

but i only have one full kc

[umbral cradle]

i had a run with bad dps once in max gear and saw like 2 + 2nd multi waves

[atomic surge]

i've gotten past jellies a few times but i always throw it after and have to mage

[umbral cradle]

im so glad the cycle worked out lol

and it's not this tile clusterfuck l0l

[atomic surge]

yeah the solve is fantastic

[umbral cradle]

u should have seen the schizo spreadsheeting

[atomic surge]

it's just lack of muscle memory on the non drag attacks

and (cope) i have a brand new mouse and it feels a bit sludgy

(real)

[umbral cradle]

i solved in my "Crap" iteration of the sheet

moving things around and seeing where I could re-insert into cycle

then i realized that I could replace the 5t emberlight to save a tick

to make 21 + 21 + 21 + 5 + 3 - 1= 70

was a really pog moment

[atomic surge]

you'd scythe on '1' right?

[umbral cradle]

you can if you want

its like ~1 expected damage better

5t emberlight is nearly same dps as scythe

so i wouldnt do it tbh

[atomic surge]

is it gregfly or surffly or dayohfly

I think you kinda knocked it out of the park tbh the next iteration is gonna have to use the 3t emberlight so yours is going to stick around for a while

Might still be the go to for contract

[royal anvil]

is there a reason id be getting hit at the tile i pinged green in duos when im non host dono flying? i dont think im late at all

[quiet flicker]

huh

does anyone even have a sub 4

thats crazy

[atomic surge]

yes

[quiet flicker]

my pb is 4:19

[atomic surge]

a few I thought

[quiet flicker]

and that felt so fucking fast

felt like i was maxing every hit

[atomic surge]

was that with a natty eldermaul?

and perhaps a veng

[quiet flicker]

nah that was just

a 72 beeg

no veeng

just money kc lol

[atomic surge]

synq has a 3:51

but I doubt that is still rec that was days ago

[quiet flicker]

insane

without 3t aswell

p sure he just does the lucuducuduclfly

or whatever the fuck its calleed

[atomic surge]

I assume you aren't in full oath?

[quiet flicker]

2 piece

helm chest

[atomic surge]

i'm sure you will get a s4

[quiet flicker]

like i said, just a fast moneykc

[atomic surge]

he also used teas

so if you ever ate

[quiet flicker]

i dont rly do anythign to pb

[atomic surge]

that is tickloss right there

[quiet flicker]

mainly want loot atm and no deaths

ye i try to only eat after judgee

and shit

[umbral cradle]

idk

[umbral cradle]

there's one spot in the cycle I can make a 3t emberlight happen

but the problem is what are u going to do with that 1 tick that doesn't make the cycle absurdly complicated

because the main appeal of mine is mainly just the simplicity & consistency

the fact that it saves 1t (per 70t) also is just icing on the cake, I wasn't really aiming for that

[honest monolith]

the gregsurf

[runic obsidian]

Anything is better than "donofly" how on earth is that the name people stuck with

[umbral cradle]

lol we've gone from flying to surfing

[umbral cradle]

LOL

where is that poll lmfao

[misty marlin]

I posted it in my clan disc haha

[atomic surge]

gregsurf is good

[misty marlin]

actually schizo talking about these methods lol

[umbral cradle]

lol

[misty marlin]

I claimed the "riverwalk" as doing any of the above methods poorly

[sudden ocean]

oh yea i tried this and it just doesn't seem to work

shit tile

Non Host Fly (for duos)

• You can start at 2 and wait for Yama's attack animation or jump straight in from tile 0 if you know how to delay properly
• Use 5a for the first two rotations then use 5b thereafter. Host can just always use 5a
• If you start a tick late, you can simply run a tile or two short of tile 3 and regain the tick you would have lost there by 5ting your emberlight

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[atomic surge]

is this a missed tick after j2 tile?

[wicked comet]

gl box

[sudden ocean]

14 oatmeal

[umbral cradle]

you yellow clicked past the boss to run next to the boss

then once your character was there, you clicked to attack the boss

so you 4t'd the purging spec instead of 3t

that attack is supposed to be a drag attack

[royal anvil]

Gamer tysm, was getting so frusturated by the tiles not working and just having to tank

is yamas defence boosted a bunch on p3 btw? seems like i hit so many 0s with emberlight & burning claws

[honest monolith]

yes

[tired ivy]

idk why i kept using a diff tile for "4" depending on the cycle

[atomic surge]

ok I am gregsurfing for real

Gonna need a stam to go >2kc/trip

[sacred badge]

vile vigour moment

[sudden ocean]

is gregsurf viable without purging

[atomic surge]

it's viable without emberlight

if you want

[sacred badge]

if you have EL do you even get to orbs

[sudden ocean]

tempting

[atomic surge]

in 4 i've only seen first set

you do get past them yes

[sacred badge]

[atomic surge]

this is in torvamax

not clawing

[sacred badge]

I think I'll stick to duos for drops for pet chance etc but may learn it for contracts (if it's relevant for them)

[atomic surge]

i see people making yama tile guides and they hit a 60 emberlight

and I'm like 😭

weak arms on these guys

[tired ivy]

duos are chill, orbs basically don't exist

[atomic surge]

For sure

I will go back to duos if I am not done after contracts/cas

but I'm assuming I will want to have the solo melee method down cold for those

[sudden ocean]

i want to get a purging staff for contracts but i fuckin hate grinding tds

[tired ivy]

I did like 500 tds in a day this weekend lol

worked out at least

got my claws and 2nd synapse

[sacred badge]

claws...

[atomic surge]

I feel like purge is going to be a GM req

No purge solo is probably possible but not fun, let alone contract hardmode

it's also just cool item big reccomend

day 1 craft no regrets

[tired ivy]

surely at least one of the contracts is doable without

or just use purging+arclight

[atomic surge]

Yeah purge+arclight will be ok if you can part with the shards to break ember

[tired ivy]

I broke like 4 emberlights this weekend lol

[atomic surge]

I am not breaking the main's emberlight when it gets it

gonna need it for the delve boss orbs

[honest monolith]

I'm waiting for them to buff the catacombs teleports personally

[atomic surge]

Shards are insanely afk but it's still like 20h ish

[quiet flicker]

Hmm u rly had stam problems?

Whats ur agil lvl?

Cause i do 2 kill trips with the ludicrousfly

And im like at 60 by the end of it

[atomic surge]

99

[quiet flicker]

Hmm

Were both p3 just rly slow or what

[atomic surge]

I started kc 1 at 80 run

[quiet flicker]

Did u get 2nd jellies at all?

[atomic surge]

skipped em one

probably run too much during p1 p2

[quiet flicker]

Probably

Vile vigour sgs pipeline lowkey

Infinite stam glitchc

[radiant pendant]

Debating on sending solos… seems like everyone gets something in solos and duos seem to be bone dry

[tough violet]

anyone know how long void flares take before charging up?

[wraith summit]

man I'm kinda nervous for what contracts and CAs are gonna look like

they could be easy or dumb as fuck

very little inbetween room

[umbral cradle]

BOYS

we got an improvement to the greg cycle

[sacred badge]

greg2

[honest monolith]

gregsurf 2.0

[surreal rock]

[umbral cradle]

this is actually huge

it changes the worst part of the method, which was the positioning of the "2" tile which was in narnia and u had to zoom to click back for

I'll add in other changes so people dont have cringe tiles

I'll swap J.2 and J.3 labels

and I'll move 4.1 NW so people don't have a wait

and just call it "4" since 4.1 is some old copied thing

[short peak]

oh nice, that was the only bad part for me. I labeled mine J.A.1 J.B.3 J.C
so i knew a-b-c for jellies

[full shuttle]

You're doing god's work, Greg 💪🏼

[umbral cradle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Bka-GJE6OM

@sudden ocean ~~time to change pin again ~~ or maybe not

[surreal rock]

ty beast

[short peak]

Is there a tile export? 🥺

[runic obsidian]

you should put gregsurf in the title

we dont want to get stuck with people calling it the donofly forever

[swift thistle]

this looks good

[surreal rock]

I need to try if the new 2 tile gets you hit as a non host duo

[surreal rock]

unless you tested it?

[umbral cradle]

o ty

added

[umbral cradle]

o u might have a point

maybe this one shouldn't be advertized for that reason

‼️

[umbral cradle]

i think u might be right about non-host getting hit by diagonal coming up from the new tile 2

[surreal rock]

idk I haven't tried yet xd

[stiff dagger]

If you go 2 tiles east of 2 I think that'd fix it

Really annoying that methods keep improving 1/2 tiles at a time 😄

[umbral cradle]

no ur def right lol

[umbral cradle]

wouldnt you get hit by a wave there

running into the wave

[surreal rock]

I mean I could just run 2 different methods for non host duos

but just using the same always would be neat

[umbral cradle]

ok I clarified that in the title/description

to avoid misleading people

[stiff dagger]

Oh yeah think you're right

[umbral cradle]

do u see any other potential fix to it

im like basically surfing that wave running after it lmfao

i dont think I can go eastwards at all without being hit

friggin heck

would have been so much better if this was just a stand in for the previous method

i really dislike that narnia 2 tile

[honest monolith]

think tomorrow I'm gonna have to ask my duo if I can practice some gregsurf cuz getting to p3 solo is a bit of a slog

[umbral cradle]

you shouldn't have to ask

you can just do it

im guessing ur partner is maging? i suppose you would want to ask them to not kill the void flares and let you do that in the melee cycle

to practice that part

[honest monolith]

nah we donofly

[umbral cradle]

you don't have to be doing the same method

[honest monolith]

so common courtesty to be like permission to just spawn a shitton of jellies

[umbral cradle]

ah I see

like anticipating mistakes

yea that really sucks tho that this recent iteration has an issue for non-host

[honest monolith]

feel like it's fine cuz reg donofly is pretty ideal for duo anyways

does what it needs to

the bigger question atm is making solo kills better & your solve is the closest anyone has gotten to that as far as I've seen

[honest monolith]

(as in, it's really easy to resync with)

[umbral cradle]

yea duos ko really really, no need for anything fancy for farming

[plush shadow]

wat actually is effiency rate of duo vs solo?

[stiff dagger]

with current tech probs 19-20 kph duos and 10-11 kph solos

[split pagoda]

[wintry moth]

are def reduction specs non-negotiable at yama or nah

[surreal rock]

I would say so but presumably you have emberlight anyways

which is not too bad

[wintry moth]

ok

making mental notes of what spec weapons are preferable to have available for yama, for sequencing purposes

emberlight is already fairly obvious that it is non-negotiable

bgs/dwh also? or less so?

[surreal rock]

bgs is only very slgihtly better

[lament canopy]

dwh/maul seem like a horn only kind of thing

[surreal rock]

they are

[lament canopy]

insane crush def

[wintry moth]

ok

[carmine cove]

stuff like dwh or emaul is only useful if ur teaming or alting with a horn

[wintry moth]

is teaming often more convenient than inconvenient?

ok anyways it sounds like bgs, maul, dwh are not super strongly impactful, and that emberlight is realistically sufficient?

conjuring up some numbers for comparison i have never fully grasped for these kind of things

[surreal rock]

imo teams are slightly better and easier

[lament canopy]

that sounds like a reasonable assumption to me

[surreal rock]

especially if you can an alt/friend with horn+maul

that boosts kill by a decent amount

[lament canopy]

if youre assuming just pairing with randoms you find outside yama i think things will be really variable

if that were me i feel like i'd either make friends or just solo

[wintry moth]

bgs is noteably not so horn reliant as dwh and elder is?

[surreal rock]

yeah very dependant on what your duo is doing

if they are maging you usually get a lot more contribution so it ends up being ok anyways

[wintry moth]

bgs > mberlight > elder maul > dwh (hornless) ?

[surreal rock]

no because yama doesn't have that high slash defense

[surreal rock]

I would say arclight is better than maul without horn

[wintry moth]

right

oh yea

im alreayd firmly assuming emberlightfor yama at this point

[lament canopy]

purging staff i'd also have as non negotiable

[wintry moth]

with horn, is it elder > dwh > bgs > ember?

oh and also, is Yama ultor or lb gaming

[surreal rock]

ultor

[lament canopy]

berserker ring if ur a coward like me

[wintry moth]

hmm. in the case of b ring vs lb, do you still think b ring > lb ?

[lament canopy]

you get a lot of chances to proc death charge

like lb probably isnt bad

but i think with how emberlight scales id value the str bonus more

[wintry moth]

ohh ye becaues its a mult bonus per str?

so str bonus is a lot higher value?

[lament canopy]

i also admittedly havent tried lb and dont have one

yeah

[wintry moth]

the reasoning makes sense anyhow

[surreal rock]

hm I would argue bring

[lament canopy]

burning claw spec seems annoying if yama is about to phase

presuming that wipes all burn

[surreal rock]

thats why you spec early in each phase

they are long enough

[lament canopy]

yeah i was just thinking with lb you probably end up with excess spec at inconvenient times

[surreal rock]

probably true yea

atleast in solo

[lament canopy]

i remember seeing some calcs in here a few days ago about the amount of kc needed to get all the contracts for the cosmetic armour upgrades, does anyone have those to hand?

[stiff dagger]

it was like 8000 kc from the boss or something, but the intended way to get the cosmetic contracts is from the demons in the chasm of fire

[lament canopy]

i'd like to see them make it better to just get them straight from yama

that seems far more engaging

[surreal rock]

it would have to be magnitudes better to make a dent tbh

[wintry moth]

yama is off-task exclusive boss?

or nah

[faint lily]

Demon tasks don't work for it, but I believe they said you can get boss tasks for it

Not sure if anyone actually has, so that my have changed

[plush shadow]

i feel like emberlight is pretty much on par with bgs

it feels really consistent 4t to

good drain

yama less attack power to

[wintry moth]

interesting

[plush shadow]

dwh horn is noticeably better though imo if u can pot someone with horn/maul

[lone storm]

Why does everyone say Emberlight > BGS? Is there something boss specific that makes BGS worse?

[stiff dagger]

no BGS is better

it's 2 extra defence levels drained on average though so a lot of people just pref doing 2xember

[swift thistle]

Ember also reduces other stats which can be helpful to reduce melee dmg if not doing fly methods

[lone storm]

Only 2? Accuracy of Emberlight in my setup is 66.67% v BGS at at 76.73%. Average drain of 38.5 from BGS v 33.75 for Ember. Comes out to 7 for me. I doubt my setup is that different

[stiff dagger]

oh sorry yeah my bad

i was taking the normal max not the spec max

[misty marlin]

I've heard that reducing an enemies strength doesn't impact their max hit, not sure of the validity of that

If so, only accuracy would be impacted

[swift thistle]

Yeah that would make sense, that's just the argument I've heard for it I don't emberlight

[misty marlin]

There's no math behind this but emberlight feels bad and BGS feels good, so BGS

[forest island]

I would have thought that would only be true for magic (which at least sometimes has hard-coded max hits that don’t depend on their magic level)

[swift thistle]

The spec looks dumb so it's bad

[forest island]

But maybe in some cases the melee attacks also have hard-coded max hits, idk

[misty marlin]

yea that's why its unconfirmed

[forest island]

Does chicken corp not get its max hit lowered?

[misty marlin]

its mage defeinitely still has same max

[forest island]

Yeah that tracks

[radiant sky]

where are we going when we get delayed 1t with the gregsurf v2

[radiant sky]

do we just run all the way to J 1

[quiet flicker]

its so cool to die to it not phasing

wohoo 59% not phasing

[lone storm]

Anyone know the precise timing to orb skip in solo? I've been stepping on glyph on 2nd melee after orbs spawn, but sometimes it's not up in time if I have to use that glyph again

[quiet flicker]

pog

[radiant sky]

hmm i feel like yama contracts will be rushed

[quiet flicker]

someone told me to not opeen dossiers, why?

[radiant sky]

we're just coping that they will get buffed cuz yama gives 1 contract/month at current rate

[tired ivy]

Copium that they will buff contract rates and that it will apply to old dosiers

but who knows

0 downside to waiting if you have dc

[radiant sky]

only real downside is u have to constantly convince ur split duo about it

[tired ivy]

Y'all are splitting contracts?

[radiant sky]

the expensive ones ye

some are 80m or something no?

[tired ivy]

The oathplate one is 90m, horn is 12m, everything else is ~5m or less

Do you get a message showing which contract your duo got?

[quiet flicker]

?

bro im printing

[radiant sky]

no but always in a party so can see their inv

or at least i dont think u get a message

[tired ivy]

oh i haven't bothered with party other than the 1 time we were bgsin

[radiant sky]

party is good to share food anyway

i play with a lot of mains

[vast quarry]

so are contracts gonna be duo

or solo

[tired ivy]

solo

[vast quarry]

thank god

i get what he meant now

[dapper hollow]

why are we getting scammed

[vast quarry]

splitting the gp

[dapper hollow]

do step unders not count for contribution

[dire smelt]

Jagex round down

[dire smelt]

This is my favorite solo method I'd tried yet, great work

[quiet flicker]

ye so u can split reeds, i like it

[undone sundial]

Is Seercull worth bringing for mage-only? I've been using SGS on the Judge, but was wondering if I should still bring Seercull too? I've never used it before

[sacred badge]

I tried it for a bit, not being able to spec the orbs sucked

[stiff dagger]

accursed sceptre would be much better than seercull

[sacred badge]

Not sure if it's worth losing 4 ticks and multiple SGSes over if sceptre isn't an option

[undone sundial]

Yeah sceptre isn't an option unfortunately

[sacred badge]

Maybe if you own Seercull and LB but not Seer's Ring, Magus, Sceptre, or SGS

[stiff dagger]

seercull would need to average 19 damage to be worth the time

and even then it's breakeven

so probably never worth the slot

[undone sundial]

No LB either lol, I guess I'll just stick with SGS and double death charge

And purging staff spec for flares

Wish I did my wildy grind sooner

[sacred badge]

You could always become a melee gamer 👀

[cobalt jungle]

have they mentioned anything about changing the rarity of contracts?

[fast reef]

Pretty sure a jmod reddit comment agreed they were too rare atm

[atomic surge]

Average dossier loot is like 2m

It's pretty negligible

(made up number)

[quiet flicker]

anyone know how long it takes to mine whatever the hsit u need for 1 othplate piece?

[winter seal]

1939 shales, *1,3 per chiseled if full inventory, or 1,6 if u chisel 1 at a time.
2520 crushed infernal shales

59 minutes 3t not accounting for failing 1939*3*0,6/60

afk star mining
wiki lists 140-200 per hour

14 hours - 9,7 hour

[quiet flicker]

damn

thats pretty horrid

ty ty

[atomic surge]

It's worse than you think

[quiet flicker]

thats a problem for when i hit 350 shards

😭

[vast quarry]

450*

gg

[quiet flicker]

its 450 now?

i see

halfway there

[vast quarry]

gimme those contracts !!

[languid harbor]

game is just so sad sometimes 😦

[quiet flicker]

jfc

[winter seal]

You've gotta end up with 2520 crushed inferal shales

already kinda having struggles with teammates

[surreal rock]

Yeah same people have already stopped doing yama lmfao

Gonna be a lot of solo probably

[atomic surge]

It's been worse gph than raiding since like day 3

Been worse than tormented demons even

[dapper hollow]

is this reddit?

[wintry moth]

i get some FOMO that teammates run out by the time i get to it

:d

[compact vigil]

that’s not reddit

looks like twitter

[winter seal]

yeah that's x/twitter

[gusty cypress]

how does the target farm contracts work
"talk to the disciple of yama to see which sigil is currently active" ok... how long does that last until it changes?

[winter seal]

it has a chance to change after you've killed 32 mobs

[nova scroll]

Anyone know what the game design purpose of lockboxes are?

[radiant pendant]

Is there a set discord channel for just finding Yama teams? Or is it still a toss up with asking randomly in cc and in public chat

[lofty lichen]

im looking for a duo parter, I have 2 synapse

[misty marlin]

My assumption is that they are to improve the appeal of duos. Most of the time when you have team content it benefits you to complete the content with as small a team as possible (including solo) since you guarantee 100% contribution and don't have to wait on exterior factors like respawn time and synergy/anti-synergy. Flat rate items like lockboxes counteract some of those factors

[acoustic lava]

muspah has a similar item

and the toa runes chest

[nova scroll]

Yeah, and the dt2 bosses have something very sort of similar on the dupe sceptre upgrade pieces

[lofty lichen]

i think its another form of dry protection, gives you an extra shot at the drop table

[acoustic lava]

Think its supposed to just make you pause for a second to rip your pack/scratch your lotto ticket

[acoustic lava]

the dupe sceptre pieces is more about keeping the item on the table if you happen to lose it though imo

[umbral cradle]

im happy to hear that it's working out for you ❤️

[quiet flicker]

new pb

by a tick

[faint lily]

More common dossiers is gonna increase our time to complete oathplate also :(

[misty marlin]

I'm hoping they make it tertiary

[faint lily]

That would be ideal. Remove the tele scrolls, make more common and tertiary

Killing regular demons doesn't need to be 10+m/hr. Let us get a bunch from the boss and also be able to target farm. Jagex really clueless making them only really attainable from killing regular demons

[misty marlin]

I'm really hoping that if nothing else they make the oathplate contracts repeatable until completed or something, I'm just not trying to do 3000 Yama or black demons to try and get the kit

[quiet flicker]

hmm first 3 kill trip

was so close on prayer tho

gonna bank a manta

[royal anvil]

can i practice this in duos if im host?

[lone storm]

Dossiers are rolled after Oathplate, so it shouldn't have an effect

[radiant sky]

yes

[quiet flicker]

btw does def reduc carry into p3?

[tall oar]

anyone know if you can make a piece of oathplate and then use it on the collection log and get the slot?

[faint lily]

Less shards

[winter seal]

cannot

[quiet flicker]

is there any tech for both players to bring horn?

is it better to burn claw vs give someone a guaranted ember

[umbral cradle]

yes, you can practice that in duos if you're the host

[surreal rock]

2 emberlight expected hit = its max (66?) Vs 1 claw = 47 (bandos) + 1 ember (25)

So claw is a bit better but 30 spec vs 25

[royal anvil]

i was practicing in solos, but i got messed up since im not use to running the new tiles yet, how do i get back into cycle if im a tick late or a few ticks late?

[quiet flicker]

[atomic surge]

Yes

[surreal rock]

If you are one tick late you can skip a tick on the 5tick emberlight

If multiple I usually just mage

[quiet flicker]

but u get 2 guaranteed emberlights right?

cause it affects you too

[surreal rock]

Ye exactly

[quiet flicker]

damn

[surreal rock]

Emberlight max is 66 so you get 2x 33 damage

[quiet flicker]

crazy that claws r still better

maybe if ur partner is out of spec

and ur at 30

no wait im dumb

sad

eldermaul horn

[royal anvil]

also is there a tile i can wait on to attack boss and wait for finger animation to start the cycle for new Donofly V2?

if im only 1t away from delay tile

[surreal rock]

My calcs are assuming horn maul ye

[surreal rock]

Just stand 1 tick away

[quiet flicker]

gotcha, ty was just coping for them tohave another usecasee

[surreal rock]

Horn underwhelming 😦

[quiet flicker]

nah its still op

for mauls

[umbral cradle]

highly depends on the severity of the mistake lol

if you lost a tick that caused you to take a melee, yama spawns a void flare that has to be dealt with

and then ur in a world of hurt

getting back in cycle skillfully is way harder than just doing the cycle itself properly

i would just give up, run north to "c" tile and do mage method to finish the kill

alternatively, if its low HP try to KO quickly with dps specs & pray melee

and record ur gameplay + review clip to understand exactly what u did wrong

that will help u learn faster

[royal anvil]

ye idk why but i fk up in beginning so the remaining like 25% hp im brute force meleeing lol

i dont bring mage gear to deal with it for p3 if i mess up

when yama sim

[umbral cradle]

would bring mage gear for backup

esp. while learning

[wintry moth]

i recall seeing some jmod leaking dossiers buff or contracts rate buff

[umbral cradle]

just a couple switches, doesn't have to be super switch

[wintry moth]

im curious if that is gonna be through making dossiers more common, or the alternative

[umbral cradle]

i saw this mentioned

[wintry moth]

if dossiers buffed, that makes it a little easier to sell dc earlier in prog

[umbral cradle]

sell dc?

oh for iron progression i see

sell as in "make argument for"

[misty marlin]

if you're 1t late on entry and get hit, just keep doing the cycle except do a 4t Emberlight instead of 5t on the 5t cycle. the orb he spawns on 1st melee is probably fine to ignore in a solo

[wintry moth]

yea

any kind of estimate with spec impact on dps i find quite difficult

[atomic surge]

You can leech duo super early tbh

Like you don't need anything as long as you can survive, the other guy can just gregsurf and deal with all the mechanics

[surreal rock]

Yeah its not even that bad to be carry

[atomic surge]

For 10m /kc I'd happily sell Yama leech

It doesn't scale

Easiest service in the world

[surreal rock]

Its like having a little thrall that kills jellies for you

[surreal rock]

I'm doing it for 3m @ me

[atomic surge]

Or even doesn't kill jellies because no purge

I can do it myself i don't mind that's why it is 10m

[surreal rock]

Even then I'm just doing solo and ignore the other guy

[atomic surge]

It's premium

[surreal rock]

Ye I know, I wouldn't do it for 3m

Main gp means very little to me

[atomic surge]

Might offer it to friend low level irons

It doesn't impact host at all basically

[surreal rock]

Ye besides waiting for people to bank

[atomic surge]

I just wouldn't ngl

Snooze you lose

[wintry moth]

interesting

so assuming boost, it may be reasonable to get it right after AKD ?

lol uh

[lament canopy]

you need to deal min 15% damage but yea

[wintry moth]

does the leech assume a mage wep

[lament canopy]

my gut instinct is that its still going to be pretty difficult without purging staff

that has a pretty big accuracy boost

and i dunno how sustainable arclight is

[royal anvil]

hm arclight specs r good for a duo? 2-3? or 4

[faint lily]

3

Caps out at 3

Can respec after first judge if you don't hit 3 at beginning

[royal anvil]

r surging pots worth using here? forot they exist until i got the barrel

[quiet flicker]

never sub 4

[dire smelt]

I wasn't going to bother making surge pots for yama but getting an earlier 2nd or 3rd emberlight spec sounds super nice

[old viper]

Anyone looking for a Yama partner? Looking to learn!

[royal anvil]

only reason i asked was i have an insane amount of torst/2nds but idk if its worth now lol

[sacred badge]

what's the deal with your alt?

[icy copper]

Why would surging pots not be worth anywhere you heavily spec

[heady atlas]

Odds this is '1 blocked message' ? 😅

[vast quarry]

anyone get contracts from chasm demons yet?

specifically wondering if undead grasp works for "binding spell"

would assume so

[icy copper]

I've seen someone suggest it works

[faint lily]

He hard ignoring all the allegations

[heady atlas]

Its funnier that he tried denying it at first

[sudden ocean]

torstol farming

[icy copper]

not a problem ive had personally, got 300 surge pots made and 1k scb and still 300 tortols and 50 or so seeds

[undone sundial]

Does contribution not matter for uniques?

[atomic surge]

Not for deathcharge

As long as you do the minimum

[undone sundial]

Ahh okay gotcha

[royal anvil]

hm oath shards is 1 oath piece? and is it cheaper for helm vs a platebody etc?

[tired ivy]

[[oathplate shard]]

[acoustic summit]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Oathplate_shards

[royal anvil]

tyvm

[quiet flicker]

mightvee found some tech

i just clicked orb, realized i was gonna skip them so got off afteer hit

then got dc credit for it

after it phased

[dapper hollow]

You hit it once ?

Or just clicked it but never actually hit it

[balmy raft]

is 2 ticks of attack dps worth 15% spec?

idts

[quartz glen]

Alright it’s been a week boys. What method are we mainstreaming/ recommending for efficient runs or still too early to tell? Right now there’s like 3 different “something-fly” methods lol. Bad timing but I had to leave for extended trip day after Yama release and haven’t gotten to play any since then. Which tech should I learn?

[sacred badge]

there is damage reduction once he's low enough health that he could teleport you

so you're missing out on reduced hits, not full ones

[balmy raft]

yeah true

[ember jasper]

Been learning the newest Greg donofly method with killing the orbs for solo

I like it a lot. My duos always mage camp p3 so I don’t have to worry about what melee method I’ve been using

[quiet flicker]

pretty sure just once

not sure if thats worth

[tired ivy]

Good news is most of them are interchangeable and make no diff which one you chose

[quiet flicker]

but ye

[quartz glen]

Link?

[tired ivy]

Big fan of this

[ember jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Bka-GJE6OM

I'm always host with my duos

[radiant sky]

the main issue ive had with gregs donofly is that some ppl seem to rely on you doing the same method as them to handle p3

so if you dont they cant do donofly anymore or at least not consistently

[hasty hedge]

I have only tried the boss once but damn you guys in here making work of him

[surreal rock]

Ye I've noticed that too. Wonder if it's worth wasting 5 ticks of half damage for 15% extra spec

[surreal rock]

Ye I've had this issue too. People rely on me to fix their cycle if they mess up

[surreal rock]

Napkin math says no. Half a burning claw spec = +11 dmg over ember hit, half dmg emberlight = 13, although there might be more value for bclaws p3 if it allows you to avoid getting 2nd set of jellies more often

[surreal rock]

There is also extra sgs, not sure how to value them

[wintry moth]

is purging staff soft/hard req for Yama?

depends?

[lament canopy]

i feel like its really hard to say at content where you can technically be boosted

it also might be different post delve boss with a faster magic weapon in the game

i guess its a soft requirement, technically, but it feels bad to say that

[wintry moth]

someone brought it to my attention i didnt add it to the chart post-yama. totally forgot it existed lol. anyways its prob harmless to bundle it up with Scobo and emberlight?

but if it is truly like not that useful for Yama, then just keeping it off the chart seems fine too. i don't know whats up with that. didnt do the boss yet

[lament canopy]

given you can freely swap a second synapse between bow and staff i dont think you need a third synapse specifically

theres not currently any content requiring bow AND staff

[agile wolf]

ya just turn ur scobo into staff

[honest monolith]

very soft req if you're donoflying

long term you realistically need 1 purging staff on the team for if you fail the dps check

but there's really no need for 2 other than qol and consistency

[umbral cradle]

@wintry moth this^^

[umbral cradle]

you can do this together in duo https://streamable.com/vca23u

it's sort of a cope just to use the same set of tiles though, that pattern doesn't work post-jellies

the rationalization is that you have plenty of dps to kill in time in duos, but then sometimes you don't have a duo partner and want to solo, but you don't want 2 completely diff sets of tiles

not an ideal solution but it's a start.... ideally it would just be the same tile

[tired ivy]

I thought pretty much all the donofly variants worked fine if your teammate was doing another one

[umbral cradle]

yea exactly

someone above was saying that doing something different throws some people off though

like seeing your teammate run somewhere else idk

[misty marlin]

teammate can turn on entity hider then

[umbral cradle]

if all you want is to farm duos, the original donofly is sufficient and you don't need any other method

[radiant sky]

i think he was probably using me arriving at 1 as a tell for when he should enter cycle

[umbral cradle]

it's really nice to be doing a pattern that can solve solo too though, because if your partner dies or something, you can actually proceed

[radiant sky]

but tbf most ppl ive played with have had no issues with me running to different places

[radiant sky]

is this duo tile for player 2?

[umbral cradle]

yea, both players can use it together

[radiant sky]

do you dodge the third rotation bombs with this?

[umbral cradle]

no, if you watch the edge of the clip you see I use the old tile and south run to dodge that

on the western side when jellies spawn

that's one reason why I didn't like moving the 4 tile

[radiant sky]

ah yeah i see it now

[umbral cradle]

people wanted to not have any waiting ticks

[radiant sky]

ye i think a waiting tick would prob have been nicer personally but i also dont mind yoinking player 1

[umbral cradle]

but again this has problems for non-host

but the only way you would run into those problems is if both players were using a rune scimitar for p3

for the "duo Yama with rune scimitar P3 only" CA

[wintry moth]

does the horn spec give urself a guaranteed hit, or only others?

[umbral cradle]

both

[wintry moth]

okay. does it do anything in solo encounters

[umbral cradle]

no you can't use it

[wintry moth]

ok

[umbral cradle]

"you blow your horn into the wind, and no one is around to listen"

[wintry moth]

so by virtue of toa existing, bgs is still reasonable item

[radiant sky]

you need to bring your horn+maul alt

[wintry moth]

and duke

[umbral cradle]

for Yama solos to complete uniques, it's efficient to have a horn+maul alt

[wintry moth]

thats crazy lol

dam

[radiant sky]

i mean bgs is still a must outside of toa

[umbral cradle]

you just cast it, maul spec, then let ur alt die

and it sits outside until next kill

[wintry moth]

ohhh

that seems simple yeah

maulting

[dapper hollow]

i hear they're calling it the bidofly

[surreal rock]

This is perfect for me ty

Tbf i've only had one duo having issues with me using different tiles

Toxic part of me thinks I should just not gaf and yoink the contribution for myself if the partner dies

[umbral cradle]

demand host

gregfly

we should cook together to try and find a giga solution that's as clean as my solo method, but tiles that work for both solo + duo

tough problem

there's also 1 more consideration, that for jellies only 1 duo parter would be killing them, we'd wanna see how the 5+3=8 ticks could be replaced with 2 emberlights

but the use case for this is non-existent, because the boss should be long dead before you need any of this nonsense

[surreal rock]

Yeah honestly I'd just call it a day especially when methods already exist

Last 3 days I've just been soloing anyways lol

[umbral cradle]

based

[surreal rock]

Got a pet contract so surely I can 1nd this to finish greenlog

[umbral cradle]

i dont think they are making the pet contract a gauranteed pet

i think they said they are just going to make it better rates

idk

but its going to have to be a LOT better rates

bc contracts solo-only and duos are 2x as fast as solos (approx) and pet rate is static

so the contract already has to be 2x better rates even to be equivalent

not to mention that it's a challenge so it will be longer

[misty marlin]

presumably contracts are consumed so I was under the impression it would be like a 1/10 from a completed pet contract

[sudden ocean]

Guaranteed from contract would mean pet is directly buyable

Especially if you pay someone to do the boss for you

[tired ivy]

Any pet is buyable if you pay someone to do the boss

[sudden ocean]

I can't believe they made the pet contract tradable tbh. Like why

[radiant sky]

that was the original intention tho wasnt it

ye if the contract wasnt tradable itd be perfect

[sudden ocean]

I do think it's way more egregious than like corp boosting

[misty marlin]

contracts being tradable is so goofy, just have them be untradable and reusable until completion and boom, you have a system better than orbs

[sudden ocean]

At least that still has an rng element

Idk about reusable, I kinda like it being like colo loot system. The pressure lol

Even if untradable it would at least be different in that you could put it off and send an attempt whenever you want to

[misty marlin]

sorry, meant to say the cosmetic rewards are repeatable. would still have the tradable reward contracts (worm/catalyst/oathplate/horn) and the pet one be consumed on use

I just assume they're going to lock GM behind oathplate recolor and I don't want to do 20 hours of black demons to get it

[sudden ocean]

cosmetic contracts being repeatable wouldn't be bad i think

and could go either way on tradable or untradable

would feel better about it if they buffed the rates

[tired ivy]

They aren't

[misty marlin]

did they say that somewhere?

[tired ivy]

Yes

Complete any contract is all you gotta do

[misty marlin]

Huh, interesting

[vast quarry]

Wonder if worm will be repeatable

[misty marlin]

Currently there is no reason to believe any of them will be repeatable

[vast quarry]

Besides mod goblin saying some of them will give you back the contract

[misty marlin]

lol I live under a rock apparently

I scrolled through the reddit ama and all I saw was stuff about buffed rates and thats it

[vast quarry]

It was a Twitter reply someone posted in here iirc

[twilit parcel]

do ppl really think theyre removing teleports from dossiers? got teles from 15/20 of mine..

[vast quarry]

Ofc oathplate shards, armor, and horn won’t be repeatable

[misty marlin]

Do we know if the oathplate kit is reusable or if you have to get 1 per piece

[vast quarry]

Can see the pet one MAYBE being repeatable depending on the rate

[umbral cradle]

yea i think it makes sense for pet one to be repeatable

like gauranteed contract drop at end to return it to you

if you succeed

[vast quarry]

No idea yet but I assume they’d want to keep it the same as blorva

Can’t wait for tomorrows update

Guess all of them could be repeatable besides the free items/shards depending on difficulty

[quiet flicker]

Makes sense

[atomic surge]

200m ticket you just log out with the pet contract in inv log in 20 mins later with a pet

So dumb

[atomic surge]

Does he have brain damage or is there more context to this? They can't seriously be keeping original rates consumable

[vast quarry]

wdym

some contracts will be refunded when completed

and rates are buffed tomorrow for obtaining contracts

[atomic surge]

Is he saying 1 radiant contract per attempt

[vast quarry]

id assume so

after buff tomorrow that shouldnt be much of an issue

ive gotten quite a few

[twilit parcel]

so dumb

go kill demons for an end game recolor

[vast quarry]

depending on what the rate buffs are (and how common dossier will now be) the demons isnt a bad implement

its just very shit rates currently and they even admitted it

[twilit parcel]

y not change it when they made oathplate 30% rarer then?

[vast quarry]

no idea

[atomic surge]

Is this from Yama or from demons

[vast quarry]

demons

[atomic surge]

Yeah man

Damen the demon farmer

[vast quarry]

was only like

[atomic surge]

I'll leave that to you I guess

[vast quarry]

400 black demons, 200 lessers

80? greaters

current rates btw

[plush shadow]

someone here was talking about as well that u dont even lose contracts on death only use (clearing yama)

if it works like that itd be pretty nice but seems to good to be true

[vast quarry]

if that was the case it would prob only be for the kits?

[quartz glen]

Does seem to good to be true unless it’s just for certain contracts? Otherwise the oathplate armour contract would be worth the price of average of the oathplate pieces since you’re guaranteed to get one from completing that contract

[plush shadow]

ye idk

if they made cosmetic like that i think itd be nice but other stuff could be one chance only

[vast quarry]

all will be revealed tomorrow

cant wait

[dapper hollow]

the worm contract is only 200k loot and the aether is 400k

so it would be totally balanced if they were repeatable