Yama - May 14

[wicked comet]

got 2 solo kills, waiting on duo partner to log

[agile wolf]

standby for turtle1

[radiant sky]

i wonder what they've done to make duos better than solos

or have they already said

[tired ivy]

Did they say you are supposed to exactly have enough at 2/3 on average?

[carmine cove]

eh they just said its easier right

iirc the wording was 'around' two pieces on rate you'll get the third 'for free'

in shards

[agile wolf]

was the hands on the keyboard thing a stupid remark

[tired ivy]

I mean if you completely go afk for orbs you will prob die indeed

[agile wolf]

cant afk the boss

[heady atlas]

Meteor can one hit if you aren't saved ig

[radiant sky]

is there a dps calc for yama yet that anyone has posted

with shadow, purging, ember and scythe

[sacred badge]

It's only like an 80 I think but it can overlap

[swift thistle]

.

[swift thistle]

Just need to readjust def and mage

[sacred badge]

wtf

Maybe I tick ate it then?

[heady atlas]

Ye it can one hit lol

[carmine cove]

this was solo tho

[sacred badge]

I've definitely lived

[radiant sky]

okay so shadow vs purging is just preference?

[swift thistle]

Yep

[carmine cove]

maybe ward of arceuus idk?

[heady atlas]

I don't think its static damage

Probably has a range

[swift thistle]

Someone said shadow was better p3 but idk

[sacred badge]

Purging would be better if anything since it can 2t/3t the orbs

[swift thistle]

You can also take 121 vork fireball

Or hit 10

[radiant sky]

you would bring purging as a spec weapon for orbs

[heady atlas]

Any hc's wanna do yama

[swift thistle]

Hit up lake

[sacred badge]

Very funny how Oathplate has the HC color until you do the contract for the recolor

[swift thistle]

They really gotta change something

[ruby stump]

for p2 how do you determine what special he's gonna open with?

is it the style he uses attacking u?

or does it just repeat the last used spec? fire -> fire?

[sacred badge]

Continues what he was going to do before the transition I think

Oh special

[ruby stump]

yeah

[sacred badge]

Special is the opposite of what you pray against

Pray against fire -> shadow spec

[ruby stump]

cause I got fire special > next phase > fire special (meteor) while he attacked me fire/mage

[sacred badge]

Pray against shadow -> fire spec

[radiant sky]

think its the glyph closest to his throne and you pray opposite of that colour at start too

[sacred badge]

Oh weird

[radiant sky]

most of what i think about how it works is based on vibes and extremely small sample sizes tho ^^

[atomic surge]

How do they work

Did I miss it

Is it like an overhead prayer cycle

[radiant sky]

afaik from my small testing it always starts the opposite of glyph closest to throne and swaps after a special has been used

and on p3 it alternates and maybe always starts mage

[carmine cove]

if he used fire spec last pray mage and range for shadow

[radiant sky]

but very small sample size on p3 start, didnt rly look at the first auto much

[carmine cove]

i think the 2 glyphs closest to throne thing checks out but eating rn

[azure laurel]

Yeah I saw you were camping pray in vid, red is mage grey is range. Switches when you step on glyph

Enrage is Zulrah jad

[atomic surge]

Oo

That's why I took so much chip lol

[azure laurel]

Yeah

[ruby stump]

https://i.imgur.com/GA6ZQhQ.png

first kill solo

fun boss

[forest island]

The def level in that calc is wrong I’m pretty sure, unless they were calcing assuming a 100 BGS

[swift thistle]

Correct

[forest island]

Oh they were

I see

[swift thistle]

That's why I said change def

[sour iron]

So, the neat side of this is the mining section

The imp there gives you a rag to 3t manip with

so it's a soft introduction to tick manips

[radiant pendant]

What’s everyone’s thoughts so far on Yama? I did like 30kc and I feel it’s a very well designed and fun boss!

[swift thistle]

seems very well done so far

[faint lily]

Opposite of 2 closest glyph definitely checks out

I think it also starts p3 with the last hit it did in p2

like same style

melee p3 seems better dps than purging staff/shadow, but a lot harder

[radiant pendant]

Yeah I just afk shadow entire fight, average kills r about 3:15ish

[sacred badge]

Very good

[faint lily]

Well designed fun, room to max eff harder for more DPS on p3

[atomic surge]

Does stats change in p3?

[twin steppe]

where in the progression list would yama sit at?

or is it too early to say

[cobalt jungle]

I'm at work today but Yama looking promising

I was worried about it being nex 2.0

It looks more like whisperer with extra steps

[faint lily]

Yes, goes from -30 magic defence to +80

Melee/ranged defence changes a bit too, check out wiki it has

[bitter raft]

And +28 melee defs

Ahh too slow

[faint lily]

Can't believe they are more stingy with the worms than the demonic tallow/aether runes

At least in me and my duos experience

[radiant pendant]

What spells is gnomonkey using? I see he has nature runes but idk what spells that uses nature runes

[faint lily]

Ward of Arceus

[carmine cove]

[[ward of arceuus]]

[acoustic summit]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Ward_of_Arceuus

[faint lily]

Definitely seems like the unique consumables are geared towards duos though.

Like you'll pull more/hr doing duos

[radiant pendant]

Ah Ty, so he just uses it for the 10% dmg reduction from the boss

Also how do I use aether catalyst? I assumed I just used them on the rune in my inventory lol

[carmine cove]

its in the blog

[faint lily]

Really happy that it's dropping a lot of aether catalyst

Will be nice for tob, Colo, etc.

[bitter raft]

yeah but it requires 1 per rune even if you use extract

[heady atlas]

that seems fine

[forest lagoon]

what am I doing with soul flame? Elder maul into bgs and duo partner bgs 2x or none at all?

or i guessj ust elder since soul flame costs 50

[faint lily]

Are you meleeing?

[forest lagoon]

yeah

[faint lily]

I calced first elder mail at 78 and second at 50

Surely 2x maul better

[bitter raft]

2x maul 1x bgs is better with horn yeah

[faint beacon]

Mage already established as meta ?

[azure laurel]

Mage is easy, good and expensive

Melee is more effort, cheaper and slightly better

[faint beacon]

Roger, still want at least purging for the orbs you gotta clear?

[bitter raft]

Melee gets especially much better after soulflame horn

[swift thistle]

its not a hard req but it makes it significantly cleaner

[bitter raft]

Bgs max hit in max is 75, which means an average of 37-38 def reduction on hit with horn, so first EM is guaranteed better at 78 and 2nd EM has a strong chance of being better at 51. 3rd spec being bgs have a 90% chance to connect, so 33-34 on average, which is higher than the 85% chance emberlight has to reduce 34 def leaving you at 29 average.

With soulflame horn (and double elder maul), assuming no defence floor or similar, you guaranteed go down to 96 defence and on average go to 62, but can go all the way down to 21 if you max the bgs. All of this assumes full max gear ofc.

[opal zealot]

1 person per team makes it comfy otherwise you both probably need to kill orbs w/o staff

[robust swift]

Holy shit dark demonbane is expensive

Eats through fire runes like nothing else

[opal zealot]

the solo tax is real with this boss

duos is comfy emberlight, solo is purging staff iirc

[robust swift]

is there a reason why melee would be better in duo?

[opal zealot]

you can drain defense way harder

[robust swift]

ah

[bitter raft]

especially after soulflame horn because you get 2 guaranteed hits on elder maul (or dwh)

boss has massive crush bonus so that's the only way it will be viable to hit

[compact vigil]

so should i get a third synapse for staff if i plan to get armor

i’m sure it’s not time efficient but how much am i griefing my partner

[cobalt jungle]

Wouldn't you just revert scorching bow for purging staff?

Scorching bow isn't used here right?

[opal zealot]

correct

no reason to have all 3 in current content afaik

[atomic surge]

Why would it be different

[opal zealot]

you have a lot more specs to work with

[atomic surge]

Do you only melee with a horn

On the team?

[opal zealot]

its possible to melee only for solo but you need good specs i think

melee "only" you still need a mage swap for minion and potentially p3 if you don't want to flinch the boss

cap is 145 drain allegedly

@atomic surge

either way you need a purging staff for solos to deal with the orbs

unless you're ok with healing the boss

[tame roost]

anybody know the npc identifier for the skulls during hopscotch at yama?

[bitter raft]

Drained to 145 or by 145? Assuming by 145, double EM = 96, double DWM = 111, so after double EM you need 16 bandos damage or a emberlight hit for 145 drain, after double DWH you need 31 bandos damage or an emberlight hit for max drain. Means not having EM isn't that bad, but it will be more consistent since emberlight spec has lower accuracy than bgs, but you have 83% chance of max drain with dwh + emberlight and 51.12% with dwh + bgs. for EM it's 85% chance EM + Emberlight and 69% chance with EM + BGS

[opal zealot]

dwh and elder maul are really inaccurate at 333 crush def no?

@bitter raft

[stiff dagger]

You use horn

[bitter raft]

this is assuming the horn

without the horn you don't bring dwh or em

[opal zealot]

oh i thought you were replying to me talkin about solos

[bitter raft]

oh no, specifically about the cap

[azure laurel]

not with horn spec

oh, sorry was scrolled up

[old phoenix]

Range or mage pray is dependend on how many color glyphs there are

If there's more red glyphs, he starts with ranged

That makes him always start p1 and p2 on ranged hits

P3 on mage hit

Vice versa for more blue glyphs

[swift thistle]

[sudden ocean]

+1 yama :3

[umbral cradle]

i think others said same but u can just swap scobo for purging iirc

i think its free to do so, and scobo isn't used at yama as far as I can tell

this is the setup im using currently, it seems to be the best I can do currently

[faint lily]

I think just emberlight speccing should be better than bgs btw

they are close from what I've calced

oath pieces might push bgs ahead

[acoustic lava]

this is the wiki page for the lockboxes

[agile wolf]

let’s go gambling

[dapper hollow]

how is there estimates for the boxes but not the armor -.-

[forest island]

Probably related to the normal drops being contribution related

[acoustic lava]

Ya we went through the same contribution stuff with titans

Delays the info

[faint lily]

Gotta wait for the solo info to come through

[atomic surge]

Solo or duo? Does this just beat mage?

[quiet marsh]

So dumb that you can't use aether catalyst with scar extract the same way you can with sunfire splinters

Each aether rune will always consume 1 catalyst regardless of bonuses/multipliers

[atomic surge]

and lft duo yama long session

[sage stirrup]

Did 5-6 hours today 🥴

[quiet marsh]

It's probably duos. I think if you tried in solo, you gotta step back alot to not spam orbs

[tidal ore]

Is this collective or individual?

[faint lily]

Sounds buggy, I thought they said it would work with catalysts

[quiet marsh]

Nah, mod goblin responded in a reddit post confirming this is intended to keep the price of the runes high

[opal zealot]

Aka fuck ironmen

[atomic surge]

so dumb

[faint lily]

I mean if it actually makes a profitable skilling method, that's not the worst reasoning.

Do we need to just wait on a true soul altar to have reasonable rates then? That's kinda ass if so.

[slim parcel]

Any tip for how my dumb ass can avoid the shadow walls consistently

[opal zealot]

We have scar to make them. Problem is you wont have enough catalysts

Unless I’m mistaking something

Also don’t you just make them at the cosmic altar

[umbral cradle]

duo

[old phoenix]

Also using this setup now, one brings bgs other brings bclaws

[atomic surge]

lft duo

[radiant sky]

im down to duo in 5 min

[atomic surge]

great

lets try the melee setup if u can

apparently better

[radiant sky]

sure

[atomic surge]

in ak ill now

[radiant sky]

how many mage switches do you need to 2 shot and 1 shot adds?

[atomic surge]

no idea

i just got back on

i was gonna just copy greg

bruh

dead clicked on the east wall thats fucking bullshit

[coarse dagger]

final phase yama - has anyone tried bringing a seercull? is it worth it? the buff he gets to mage def nerfs accuracy hard and elongates the fight a ton on the hardest part. idk what to do yet

[dapper hollow]

You can cheese it by having 1 person mage and 1 melee, if the mage never attacks the boss and only the orbs, you never get bombs or waves

[coarse dagger]

ill keep that in mind. any solution for solos?

[stiff dagger]

you mage it, spec the orbs, and dodge the fireballs, flick against the attacks, it should be close to damageless really

ie the solution is stop making mistakes

[limpid forge]

When i tried this we still got waves idk why

[coarse dagger]

wiki doesnt say waves stop only fireballs

[forest lagoon]

Surely this rags your contribution score right?

[old phoenix]

I monster examined a thamaron spec hit on enrage phase

It stays 81 mage defence

[dire smelt]

Without shadow is it better to melee with bgs or camp purging?

I'm seeing most people camp melee with the mage switch for 1-hit, or just run shadow.

[opal zealot]

I’ve been seeing just emberlight specs over bgs

Not sure if that’s actually better

[coarse dagger]

1 emberlight spec is 34 def lowering

so if bgs hits more than that its better

[quiet marsh]

Yeah, the problem is getting like 100k catalysts. With Sunfire runes, 1 Sunfire splinter will be enough for the runes from 1 scar extract. But for aether, you need 60 catalyst per 1 extract

[tired ivy]

Why tf would you need 100k

[opal zealot]

I don’t see thralls and death charge leaving the meta anytime soon

So the demand is there in theory

[tired ivy]

You can just use regular runes though

They still exist

Gonna use em for like speedruns and probably not much else

[opal zealot]

You’re not wrong it’s just sad to not use em. The idea is that it’s not ironman friendly

[swift thistle]

you won't need that many if you dislike stuff like the toa smuggle

if you use em at every piece of content then yeah maybe

[tired ivy]

Struggling to think of anywhere that I'd really want them on the iron tbh

[dapper hollow]

Not if you’re the meleer

[fallow mauve]

Surprised more people aren't using burning claws p3

[quiet marsh]

The better question is why not

[tired ivy]

Why not 100m

[dire smelt]

Is meta one melee one mage?

Trying to read and catch up

[opal zealot]

everybody melees p1 and p2 but then p3 is debatable

from what I understand

[quiet marsh]

It'd be quicker than making souls at the soul altar with extract if the aether runes worked and you'd also get cosmic out of it.

Shadow upkeep is pain

[tired ivy]

Can just buy em

[quiet marsh]

Shopscape sucks and is also slow

[agile wolf]

And is slow

[cobalt jungle]

is there a set of tiles for the Enraged fireballs that drop?

similar to like whisperer enraged?

[atomic surge]

this is going really well

[compact vigil]

can anyone help me skip dps calcing

if i have max mage demon staff or max melee minus torva what should i use primarily

[atomic surge]

annoying answer

but whatever your duo wants to use

oh hang on

[median bobcat]

Do you guys just stepback enrage melee?

[atomic surge]

only 1 synapse?

[atomic surge]

if 1 synapse you mage @compact vigil

[acoustic lava]

guessing these are the top end of ranges because this data is from solo's

[atomic surge]

@radiant sky and I have been gaming

[acoustic lava]

wish the wiki devs would be more clear about partial information because the current page is misleading

ah nvm they have it covered better than they did for titans

[cinder island]

I don't think anyone takes the rates seriously after 16 hrs of release

[dapper hollow]

Why? Sample size 340,000 kills

[worthy abyss]

Is there a way to predict the first attack in final phase? The attack that hits during the first fireball attack

[fossil mountain]

YAMA - MAY 14

[fossil mountain]

depends on the sample size but once we've seen like 10k kc its probably good enough

Drop rates estimated based on 340,812 samples from the Drop Rate Project, unless otherwise cited.

LOL

thats PLENTY

[faint lily]

Stepunder on Yama judge is good tech if you guys aren't doing it.

Does extra damage to itself

Just got a new PB 2:46 with my duo.

[naive widget]

was watching cold one for a bit and 3t melee for intermissions seems good, but i don't understand why - is there some sort of cooldown reset that's happening?

[next patrol]

with 3t melee you can mage quicker

And mage is big damage

[fossil mountain]

i mean arclight is 4t so you're saving 1t to throw away like all ur dmg

im sus

[next patrol]

1way arclight is also not good

1 way whip is better than 1way ember/arc

[fossil mountain]

why would it be a 1 way

[quiet marsh]

i think its random, but if you're quick, you can react to it. At least from my experience

[radiant sky]

has anyone tried solo melee yama

does he spawn as many adds p3 as he does in duo

ive only done mage solos and he spawns basically no adds when ur running around

[faint lily]

My prediction is 1/150 for an oathplate piece in a solo

That would put it at around 45 hours to finish the set even if you go 2/3 and have to craft your last piece from shards

[faint lily]

I don't think I'm gonna target farm contracts until we see rates

I just got the pet one from a dossier

Thats gonna be stressful

[tawny imp]

tome of fire worth it if im only losing 1 max?

this shit shreds my fire rune stack

[faint lily]

I was using tome cause I don't have a magic % offhand, but then I switched to melee P1/P2. Was annoying having to equip to summon

[tawny imp]

is melee better dps?

[faint lily]

Yeah

[tawny imp]

with scy or ember?

[faint lily]

Ember

Use ember specs at start if no horn. If horn can bring DWH/maul

[tawny imp]

i want dps calcs to be updated to c the difference

i broke down my 2nd synapse so my gf could use purging staff too

if its a big diff might delay until we have 4 synapse in group

[faint lily]

Gearscape is updated

[tawny imp]

oo

[faint lily]

I was getting like 9.4 vs 11.7 DPS switching to emberlight for p1/P2 with my setup and Yama being specced down

P3 is even more, but much harder to melee

[tawny imp]

mine is only winning with 2 ember specs

im missing ultor/spider necklace tho

since ive been slacking

unless im missing something obv

[atomic surge]

meanwhile on the main

[tawny imp]

avg

my main is like 208 qp lmfao

[atomic surge]

LFT Duo melee pref

[umbral cradle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXjYwvi7ma0

here's an example of how I've been farming yama w/ travis

seems to be ~18 kph for duos

[atomic surge]

https://i.imgur.com/vacDfrr.png

from a dossier

[faint lily]

bugged?

says from lockbox on message

[faint lily]

youd expect 2-3 emberlight specs, but I guess rancour/ultor are pretty big

I'm getting 66 max hit with my emberlight

[umbral cradle]

thats also how both travis and i got ours

seems to be the only way afaik

[umbral cradle]

weird

[atomic surge]

yes

bugged

[fossil mountain]

based fixed mode gamer

BASED

[wraith summit]

emberlight is actually beating out scythe? wack

[compact vigil]

scythe just got like +40 slash this update

it will be just fine

[wraith summit]

yeah I know, just didn't expect it to lose to emberlight here

[compact vigil]

does it still with the armor and defense reducing spec?

it doesn’t surprise me that it wins on full def

[wraith summit]

I just see a lot of videos of scythe owners not using scythe

haven't bothered to calc it myself cause i dont own one

[compact vigil]

i was going to calc it but the armor wasn’t on wiki calc yet

and it doesn’t support manual values

and i’m retired from the sheet

[wraith summit]

wiki does support manual values though?

[compact vigil]

have you considered that i’m functionally illiterate

that’s good to know tho

[umbral cradle]

yama's defence can only be reduced by 80 (225->145)

[umbral cradle]

gearscape is really OP for these things

ive been using that one more lately

the guy insta adds new stuff and for upcoming reward blogs

[compact vigil]

i don’t get how wiki calc didn’t have armor today

[wraith summit]

put that shit on the wiki

[compact vigil]

like the wiki team is great i’m not trying to flame them

but haven’t we known stats for like months

why wouldn’t they add it

[wraith summit]

actual wiki team themselves is taking a nap or doing other things

they're relying on players atm and everyone is clicking boss

[umbral cradle]

gearscape has had it for a few months, ever since it was initially proposed

the big benefit is that doing manual adjustments on other calcs is super error prone

especially when you want to compare multiple sets/combinations

[wraith summit]

randomly threw on scythe into my bandos setup for curiosity

it's uh

bad

lmao

[radiant sky]

that looks like a mistake somewhere in the calc

no chance its half the dps of emberlight

in any setup

[wraith summit]

wait i forgot that custom monster means it doesn't know the size

there

[compact vigil]

is that full def

[wraith summit]

normal mode but yes

even at 145 though ember still wins

minimum defence, max gear, oathplate chest and legs:

[umbral cradle]

@atomic surge did u/any1 else figure out what glyph means what for the method to kill demons for contracts

like what does this symbol mean for example

[atomic surge]

yes

[umbral cradle]

ah i found on chasm of fire wiki page

[atomic surge]

it's in the blog lole

[umbral cradle]

The condition is shown by the color of a sigil that appears over any demon's head when attacked:

Purple: Kill the demon with heavy ranged weapons
Green: Kill a demon with a spell (powered staves do not count)
Red: Kill the demon with a special attack
Blue: Kill the demon with a two-handed melee weapon
Yellow: Kill the demon while it is bound or through binding spells

[atomic surge]

also you can go up top

and just talk to the guy

he tells you

[umbral cradle]

oh up top?

i talked to npc that sends u to yama, and yama himself

and looked at original blog first lol

[atomic surge]

thats what the blog says but its wrong

[umbral cradle]

ty i cant read

does it reset after X kills? or time based?

[wraith summit]

yama's magic defence getting set from -30 to 60 and back to -30

[atomic surge]

not sure

mine was mage first now scythe

but it was scythe 2h ago and still is scythe

might be kc?

I think it is personal

switched mid kill

[umbral cradle]

this one is green right

its so pale lol

im guessing that lesser/greater/black demons have varying drop rates

because they take increasing times to kill

[atomic surge]

i got a bloody blow from scything a black demon on blue

now i have the bind one

undead grasp maxes a 35

this is terrible

[robust swift]

Seercull worth bringing?

[atomic surge]

I think so tbh

guaranteed hit

good use of spec

[robust swift]

hm?

Why is it guaranteed

[umbral cradle]

apparently that's just how the spec works in general

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Seercull#Special_attack

[umbral cradle]

is it better than accursed

or perhaps in addition to accursed?

[robust swift]

doing 5 dmg with seercull lowers ttk by 0.3s in gearscape at least

[forest island]

the devs with merge permissions were MIA today so they never merged the updated equipment and NPC files

[robust swift]

I'd guess not, accursed lowers ttk by like 3s

[atomic surge]

accursed caps

[umbral cradle]

yo burning claws might be bis for red star, to finish off demons with special attack

cuz only 30%

camp LB?

[atomic surge]

the piss star

is actually fucked

undead grasp ONTASK hits 35

[umbral cradle]

does ice barrage count?

im kinda sketched out by knowing whether the way I did it qualified lol

do you think it reads ur currently equipped weapon when the loot appears maybe? l0l

like if i change back from burning claws to scythe right away after i do the spec to finish them off, would it read that as having a scythe on lol

what if the initial burning claw spec doesn't kill the demon, but it applied burn, and then I stand there and wait until the burn finishes it off lmfao

does that count as the special attack killing it?

maybe dds would be better for this because 25% not 30%

[real galleon]

Is it worth even trying to get a kill if this is the kind of gear im working with.

[wicked comet]

prob better to go kill some tds

[radiant sky]

can get 1 kill sure but why

tds will make it a lot better

2 synapses and a torm and ur good to go

[forest lagoon]

so uh unless the kit contracts are easy to get from black demons, it seems like getting radiant without an alt will be very hard lol

kinda cruel there are 3 unqiue contracts for each piece too

[radiant sky]

ye def gonna be a boss i green log lol

[winter seal]

Jagex is stupid I just don't understand it

"we've tried to solve the Iron orbs by making them target farmable" "oh but you need a specific contract per specific piece"

Unless there's some kinda swapping economy

Wait there's 5 contacts for the whole set?

[radiant sky]

ye ur gonna be very sad if you fail any of the contracts lol

im 80 kc and have a single one of them

[winter seal]

Surely has a dupe protection system

[ruby stump]

is this just lb camp and no ultor?

[old phoenix]

I've been killing black demons in the chasm for about 3 hours while doing what is required to get contracts. Haven't received a single contract yet. Only have 1 contract from boss in 95 kc, guaranteed oathplate armour piece

[placid mirage]

anyone have the radius markers for the flame walls like zebak waves?

[amber token]

npc id plugin doesn't show anything for the walls

[radiant sky]

do boulders always fall in the same way btw

if im standing on x tile in 10 different p3s will the dodge tiles be exactly the same in all of them

or does it sometimes start with a row and other times a column

[surreal rock]

ye it's random

[amber token]

do the void flares have the same demon vulnerability as yama? 120%

[bitter raft]

200%

[surreal rock]

lft duo

[vestal mica]

any info on droprates for armor/horn? Should have enough data by now to have some valid numbers.

[radiant sky]

has anyone tested if p3 def changes or stays drained after p1 specs hit

[surreal rock]

regular def? stays

[radiant sky]

ye just bgs defence

[icy copper]

enrage phase duo double purging staff or one melee to stop specials thoughts

[sudden ocean]

jagex when colorblind people play the game:

[ruby stump]

they cant see us

[dapper hollow]

One melee one mage is slower but more chill, one person gets significantly more contribution for loot. If you’re running with someone whose okay with that seems fine

[agile wolf]

4 of them say kill the demon and the other one says kill a demon

pissing me off (pmo)

[faint lily]

They actually made contracts rarer than orbs from a slower fight.

The rates to target farm them better be good, but based on main GE prices yesterday, I don't have a lot of hope

[surreal rock]

they kinda have to be rare to retain value which was their design goal

[faint lily]

Just dumb that they made the comparison to orbs and that they should be better to obtain because you can target farm!

[azure laurel]

https://youtu.be/g2S0NicG0ZE?si=uxkzc5-XDrNWsp_m

This looks great

[undone sundial]

For the no fireballs/waves, the wiki says it’s because you’re praying melee - does that mean you have to just tank the occasional mage/range hits? Or can you swap to protect from those still?

[sudden ocean]

you can react to them

it's like nightmare

that's what my duo is doing

[undone sundial]

Okay cool thank you 🙏

[dapper hollow]

Do the waves in p3 always line up to the same tile

Didn’t realize that

[faint lily]

They should yeah

[bitter raft]

Do we know how much accuracy is required to always hit the orbs? I see 20 magic str is the requirement for always one shot, with purging granting 10% so remaining 2 is just torm + occult

[faint lily]

If p3 goes on long enough you'd get more waves than they encountered though. Like when it does the 2 sets of them.

But if you are meleeing p3 I don't think you'll ever have a p3 go for so long

[heady atlas]

that looks really nice

[faint lily]

I don't think melee P3 suits a solo kill well.

Someone's gonna need to cook up a step back method for that I think

[dapper hollow]

There’s no accuracy involved, you always max with range mage and they are 200% demonbane

So 20% dmg + mark of darkness does it

[faint lily]

Have we figured out why dragon chain is on yama's clog yet?

I don't see it on any loot table from Yama on the wiki. Not even the lockbox

[atomic surge]

I was using grasp to autocast with purge however it does not actually benefit

[quiet flicker]

What do you need to do for mark of darkness get a 5 min timer?

Ive noticed sometimes it gets extended

Havent paid attention by what

[bitter raft]

purging staff equipped

[quiet flicker]

Wym?

I only cast with purge

But feels like it only happena rarely

[quiet flicker]

Hmm weird

Ohhhhh

[bitter raft]

do you have insane switches and cast in same tick you equip?

[quiet flicker]

So it hasxto be a tick apart

I see

Tyty

[bitter raft]

I can't guarantee that is the case, just a quick assumption I made

[quiet flicker]

Ye i guess when i fail the switches

Is when it doesnt happen

Ty tho

[undone sundial]

Is Ward of Arceuus worth bringing runes for?

[faint lily]

Mark isn't that expensive so I like to cast it at the start of a kill before Yama spawns with purging on

Usually on the run up to Yama

[bitter raft]

free tankiness if doing melee

well, very cheap tankiness

[quiet flicker]

Bro id rather cast it like that

Than some ppl hust spamming it. 10 times a kill

[undone sundial]

Is it not worth it while maging?

[bitter raft]

You can pray against his damage if not in melee range (or do melee flinching to do to the same)

[undone sundial]

Wait does he hit through melee prayer in p1/2 or only in p3

[faint lily]

He hits lower through prayer during P1/P2 than he does during p3

[undone sundial]

Got it thanks!

[quiet flicker]

Kinda off topic, any1 know bis method to farm ancient shards on my alt?

Wanna speedrun emberlight on it

[sage stirrup]

Probably barraging the highest droprate monster. Nechs, abby demon, dust devil, jelly etc

[carmine cove]

daggs are very fast if you dont want to blow goading pots

calced them to be best

with goading idk

[quiet flicker]

Its a main so ill prob goadings ye

But ill keep that in mind ty ty

[carmine cove]

it might be dusties or jellies then, prob have to check yourself no idea the kph with goadings

nechs are out coz hp too high and abbies still require luring so they're also out

[quiet flicker]

Makes sense

Imma do an hr of both

[faint lily]

Anyone else encounter this bug before? Yama didn't show up for me

[carmine cove]

also if you have any dark totems still dont forget to do those

[forest lagoon]

this is why contracts are disabled lmao, awakened duke all over again

[faint lily]

solo pbs anyone?

[forest lagoon]

Do you just flinch P3?

[undone sundial]

That 4:55 is solo??

[faint lily]

I was maging P3

melee p1/p2 mage p3

but yes solo

Waiting for someone smarter than me to cook up a flinching p3 method to melee there solo

[undone sundial]

beast, that's awesome

[forest lagoon]

https://youtu.be/p_Hff4HS08c?si=-JHiHcJKB0Ok426f

skip to p3

[atomic surge]

thats faster than widega's vid lol

[faint lily]

Lmao yeah

[atomic surge]

you went giga nuclear wp

[faint lily]

He takes a ton of damage and loses a lot of ticks doing melee p3

But my staff definitely went nuclear regardless

[forest lagoon]

surely more consistent given the def changes

[atomic surge]

i will tyr this

this seems so obvious

why didnt i do this lol

[faint lily]

I'm also paying attention to getting my step under hits on judge, saw him missing those a bit.

Was he fishing for speedy times or something? No way you do money kills with a straight up elder maul spec. That's so inaccurate

[swift thistle]

Probably was, that basically takes you right to the def cap

[faint lily]

Not sure why he'd bring BGS. Surely 78 defence reduction + bclaw spec and 20 extra energy is better than spending 50% on an additional bgs to drain 2 defence.

[swift thistle]

Might not have known the cap

[faint lily]

True

[quiet flicker]

Wym by this? Emberlight specs>bgs?

Or is maul the waytocgo

I thought maul was super inaccurate

[wispy phoenix]

implication is horn maul

maul is ass otherwise

[quiet flicker]

bro brings it in a solo

weird

[wispy phoenix]

o srry ie

[quiet flicker]

or can u pre horn outside the room?

are horn alts a thing? xd

[wispy phoenix]

i think it could be if u can hit in time but he doesnt i think he was just fishing for pb

[swift thistle]

Isn't it like within 6t or something

[wispy phoenix]

10t

[swift thistle]

Oh 6 seconds that's where I got the 6 from

[sacred badge]

Back to -30?

Doesn't it stay at 60 all of p3 (besides specs)?

[radiant sky]

i think he was just doing a speedrun where he reset if maul didnt hit most likely

also do we know how quickly its def regens

maybe a bgs on p2 does a decent amount if its regened by then

that's not what he's doing but im curious about the regen

[faint lily]

Horn alt could actually be a thing for soloing Yama now that I think about it.

Horn spec for your iron to elder maul, then bclaw. Then the alt just teles/logs from Yama

Wouldn't that work?

[radiant sky]

ye should work fine

you're just gonna have to learn melee solos then tho

which is the hardest way to do yama atm i think

[faint lily]

You can do that with melee P1/P2 and still get a big benefit.

[umbral cradle]

ultor

[faint lily]

Melee P1/P2 solo aren't really any different from duo

In a duo the tank ends up doing all the glyphs cause they are positioning Yama.

[radiant pendant]

What does the tank do exactly? Does he drag Yama close to the glyphs and that’s it?

[sacred badge]

If you're doing mage Yama is Emberlight the best 1-way for the intermission? Since EL scales hard with strength I wonder if Rapier or something would be better

Or a 3 tick melee weapon to spend more time maging maybe

[radiant pendant]

I’ve seen people using ham joint for judge

[faint lily]

Can check max hits with each setup, should be a pretty easy calc, considering you always max.

[sacred badge]

Wasn't sure if the judge had 120% demonbane too, or if only demonbane maxed or something

[faint lily]

Gearscape has judge, not sure about wiki DPS

I think it's just regular though

[sacred badge]

Looks like Rapier wins by a lot

[wispy phoenix]

rapier is better until 2way scb with piety

it should be break even there (napkin math)

[sacred badge]

10.333 damage per tick vs 9.25 ham joint vs 9.778 El, Piety but no scb (with my setup so two virtus pieces)

[atomic surge]

Lmao

I'll try that tbh

You could even just do a full 1+1 potentially

Does 2x elder full drain?

[swift thistle]

One does

Puts it at like 146/7

[atomic surge]

Oo

So it would be alt horn elders and iron just claws?

[swift thistle]

Probably, tho idk about regen someone asked above

[faint lily]

Yeah, that would seem best

[forest lagoon]

If Jmods are to be believed, you should expect to have 3 armor pieces by about 1400KC. This is the average amount of KC to get 350 oathplate shards according to the early wiki data.

1/16 shard rate, avg 4 per drop(solo 8 per drop) = 1400 kc for 350

That seems rough

I guess I didnt factor in lockboxes but idk rates on that

[swift thistle]

What's the rate of the guaranteed oathplate contract?

That's another big piece no?

[forest lagoon]

That shouldn't factor into completion time. The blog says drop rates and completion time are all based soley on the base encounter

but yes that would help if you got it and managed to clear it

[swift thistle]

I guess

Do base is ~80 hours, probably less with more optimization

[forest lagoon]

Not terrible, also lock box can drop oathplate itself

and its possible the rates are much better and they put shards in for the more extreme end of dry streaks

[acoustic lava]

you should have 2 and be able to craft the third

[forest lagoon]

I think they said if you go dry on the 3rd you should have enough

I dont remember the exact quote, but I do not believe it was "farm 2, have enough for 1"

[forest lagoon]

okay thats kind of insane what

Wiki could just be off since its early solo data

[acoustic lava]

ye wiki data on titans was super off at first

although that was because of the claim mechanic

[swift thistle]

I have a feeling if you include everything, contacts etc it's probably pretty quick

[forest lagoon]

Oh well, not really worth obsessing too much over drop rates and just do the content. We'll know the rates in a week or two for sure from jagex

[radiant sky]

is oathplate with emberlight better than torva or should i keep my torva on

got the helmet just now

[faint lily]

It shouldn't be an average of 4 per drop, that number is just there from people getting carried in duos.

I was always getting 6-7 in my duos with being even geared.

Has anyone here actually been getting 4 oathplate shards consistently?

[forest lagoon]

I mean wiki coudl be wrong but solo it says 4-12, so 8 mean and 4 for an even split

[stiff dagger]

Seem to get between 4-8 ish

[forest lagoon]

could also be a weighted drop too

[faint lily]

12 would be solo though

[forest lagoon]

wiki only tracks solo kills

due to data collection limitations

[faint lily]

Hmm, that's a rough roll range

Why does jagex like making it that you can go dry on your dry protection due to low rolls

[forest lagoon]

well, presumably after 1000kc it evens out for most people

I like this more than what they did for vestige's

[faint lily]

It's 100x better than vestiges.

If that's only solos, they are saying you can get a 4 shard drop in a solo?

Has anyone here even seen a 2 shard drop in a duo? Makes me thinking you'll get to your 350 shards quicker in a duo

[forest lagoon]

hypothetically you could see a 1 shard drop lol

[faint lily]

Well yeah, but assuming an even or fairly even contribution difference

[stiff dagger]

Never seen a 2 in a duo

[faint lily]

I haven't seen redditors complain about getting 1 or 2 shards, so it makes me think duos are getting the higher roll, definitely not between 4 and 12

[forest lagoon]

Like I said above, they could have added higher weighting towards the higher end for shard drops

Kind of hard to speculate without more data at this point

[faint lily]

They said duos would be better for some items, so that's what's making me think duos will just be better for oathplate shards.

[forest lagoon]

I've gotten 7 in a duo iirc, and we both had shadows so I dont think I was getting 80% of contribution

[faint lily]

I've had 7 in a duo being out geared as well

[acoustic lava]

ah wiki numbers on shards could be off

lemme pop in wikicord and see if they're talking about it

[faint lily]

My theory is that someone put duo numbers and solo numbers combined for the 4 - 12 range.

[forest lagoon]

Not seeing much discussion on shards over there

[vast quarry]

i just know this one will be hard af

[faint lily]

If duos get 12 to split, and even contribution would be 6 avg. shards per 1/16 and would be ~930 duos to craft your 3rd piece.

[acoustic lava]

iirc it said 4-12 during the first couple hours before they switched to solo numbers only

so that theory tracks

[faint lily]

I remember that too when I calced the 930 and started guessing that oathplate is 1/150 for any piece

[forest lagoon]

I @'d the guy who edited the drop table to include amts and rates in the wiki cord

interested to see where he got the info

Yep its wikisync data

So probably safe to say that shard drops scale higher in duos

[vast quarry]

im betting they dont

[forest lagoon]

Oh they said 4-12 is an error

its just 12

So he always drops 12, split between two players and rounded up

[faint lily]

Makes sense.

[forest lagoon]

That helps rates a TON

let me recalc

[faint lily]

So it should be 933 KC to get your 350 shards.

Assuming duos even contribution

[forest lagoon]

Yeah sounds about right, a little bit less though because youll probably get a handful from lockboxes

[faint lily]

Yeah lockboxes will help a bit

Feeling good about my 1/150 guess for an oathplate roll

[forest island]

Haven’t had a chance to do it properly but from a quick test on mobile, it seems like the normal rate (1 level per minute). Certainly isn’t a fast case like Zulrah, at least

[acoustic lava]

lockboxes are 1/30, and then are 1/6.66 for 14, 1/8 for 11, and 1/120 for a piece of oathplate

[vast quarry]

cant wait for contracts to be enabled

i got one of those x48 shard contracts

[acoustic lava]

oh contracts too

[faint lily]

Might even be 1/128

[forest lagoon]

1/150 sounds a bit too generous, if you're expected to have 2 pieces at 900kc in duos

[vast quarry]

im thinking 1/200

[faint lily]

128/150 for solo

[stiff dagger]

Including drop boxes would make it ~720kc for 350 shards, which would mean 2 pieces being 1/360, which is already the estimated rate of oathplate from the dropboxes

[acoustic lava]

pretty sure lockboxes contribute more than a small number of shards

[stiff dagger]

So that seems reasonable

[forest lagoon]

woah boxes lower it that much?

[stiff dagger]

Yeah it's quite a lot

[faint lily]

Do we know if lockboxes stay at 1/30 for each player in a duo?

[acoustic lava]

so the lockbox rate is probably the item rate

[forest lagoon]

No, but logically it should unless they have some weird 2ndary roll in there

Not like its a big sample size but i have 3 in 100kc

if anyone else wants to share

[faint lily]

I think I'm at 2 in 85kc. A couple solos in there though, but majority duo

[stiff dagger]

4 in 150ish here

[forest lagoon]

asking wiki team

[stiff dagger]

Including drop boxes actually puts it at p much exactly 720kc expected for 2 pieces

Which is so oddly close to the 360 estimate from the drop box

[faint lily]

Yeah I feel like jmods don't really do coincidences like that

[stiff dagger]

Not arcane 😄 the man is meticulous

[faint lily]

I guess if we have a single screenshot of a duo getting two lockboxes on the same kill, it would basically confirm it.

[stiff dagger]

It couldn't be showing the rate for the team could it? Duos roll independently no?

[faint lily]

No it's showing solo

We are just trying to see if duos still roll at ~1/30 each for a lockbox

[stiff dagger]

Ahh mb

[forest lagoon]

waiting on wiki reply still

[faint lily]

Even just rounding up on every oathplate shards drop also lowers the expected KC to 350 shards a decent amount.

You shouldn't ever get below 6 if you and your duo are evenly geared and you'll often get 7 drops for a 51/49 split.

[forest lagoon]

Now the better quesiton, anyone got any dupes? 👀

[swift thistle]

yeah I got dupe lockboxes

[stiff dagger]

Yeah seen dupes

[faint lily]

I recall seeing a log with 2 helmets

[swift thistle]

so we down to what 40 hours now

[forest lagoon]

If lock boxes are 1/30 that would make duos definitively better

Improves both oathplate and shard drop rate right?

I mean, marginally

[faint lily]

It would make duos a lot better.

Even without lockboxes I had duos at ~50 hours for your 350 shards, if it's 720kc (from pecan, I think this is assuming 1/30 lockboxes), it goes down to 40 hours.

Assuming 18 Kph

[forest lagoon]

So Im hearing abuse early

[faint lily]

Isn't bandos close to 40 hours? Lol they said it'd be above bandos and below torva

[stiff dagger]

May be including all the drops in their estimate, think goblin also implied ~8 minute kills somewhere lmao

So they may have just got it way wrong

[forest lagoon]

Surely that was for solos...right

[stiff dagger]

Even still that's a way off

[radiant sky]

8 min solo was what arcane got i think

so i dont think they assumed 8 min duos

[stiff dagger]

Ah I see

[faint lily]

6 minute solos should be consistent.

Didn't they also say that demonbane won't be BIS only for emberlight to beat scythe in almost every setup/defence reduction amount

[forest lagoon]

[faint lily]

That tracks with me and my duos loot

Red boxes would be around worms and aether catalyst too

So all signs point to a 40 hour grind for full oathplate in duos

[stiff dagger]

I'd think all basic loots are participation weighted, the dplatelegs just round up to 1 always

Unless rune plate bodies are always giving 8?

[radiant sky]

add another 200 hours to have contracts and enough aether

[faint lily]

I think the box should have just extended to rune plates

[stiff dagger]

Pre-rolls would make sense for recent arcane drop tables too like dt2 bosses

[faint lily]

I think with how many people hated that they won't add invisible pre rolls again

We've also seen multiple 1 KC oathplate posts

[stiff dagger]

I don't mean like that 😄

Unweighted prerolls for dossier/lockbox/shards, then weighted unique rolls/weighted basic loots

[faint lily]

Ohh I see you what mean sorry

[stiff dagger]

Like how dt2 bosses just go through a bunch of different rolls until one succeeds

[faint lily]

Yeah I could see that

[faint lily]

We do actually get a decent amount of Aether on the way. 720kc from duos with even contribution should be about ~24k aether catalysts

Not enough to spam them everywhere, but it's better than I expected not gonna lie.

Contracts from boss are screwed though.

[radiant sky]

its basically just another dragon ammo style resource that cant be used outside of speedruns

same as prayer enhances

they're actually adding more and more unusable resources into the game

[faint lily]

I guess I'm forgetting you still have to use the cosmic Everytime you summon thralls. Thats gonna burn them quick, I was thinking about the soul cost from DC and not comics from thralls.

I think I won't be afraid to use them at tob/Colo though.

We need a soul/death combo rune so we can spam DC without using up all the combo runes on thralls.

[radiant sky]

it doesnt save a slot at colo tho if you smuggle with shadow

personally i think its way too rare to use for money raids too

i dunno i think green log should have given like 500k aether catalysts personally lol

[faint lily]

It is gonna suck when they eventually add one of these that feel very bad to not be able to use. Thankfully we haven't got anything massively game changing yet.

[radiant sky]

i dunno i almost think the current way of doing it is worse

they're making things that are almost just qol and mostly just make the game feel better exceptionally rare and just let mains use them cuz of bots

if bots didnt exist goading pots and prayer enhances would be like 1m each lol

[faint lily]

The amount of bots with 105+ herb at mixology is insane

[forest lagoon]

Hey these are A1 for theiving

Well worth the time to gather

[radiant sky]

i doubt its actually worth the time tho

ppots are practically 0 time at this point

you're mostly just saving banking time

[forest lagoon]

Well for vyres specifically thebank time matters since you have to retrap if no alt

[opal zealot]

also works for trident of the swamp and sang since you can get deaths and bloods respectively.

[azure laurel]

This is an issue I have, so many consumables that are just unreasonable to grind that mains just freely use because of bots and noobs. I honestly think we should have more untradable consumables with reasonable rates.

[forest lagoon]

Isnt that just ironman mode

[acoustic lava]

yes we should force the mains to be irons

[forest lagoon]

most supplies like that now, werent like that when I started my iron

same problemd ifferent era

[swift thistle]

yup

[azure laurel]

Most supplies aren’t bad to grind

Herblore is very reasonable

[swift thistle]

yeah now it is

[radiant sky]

it was kinda fixed and they were slowly fixing most of them tho until this recent trend with mixology and now yama

[forest lagoon]

farming guild 3x'd herblore ehp

[radiant sky]

they clearly even had an interest in fixing it cuz they were talking about ironman purple sweets and shit at some point with acorns

[azure laurel]

I haven’t done that many contracts and I have plenty of pots, it feels very iron man and reasonable to acquire pots imo

[radiant sky]

but for some reason they forgot that ppl generally hate extremely rare supplies

[forest lagoon]

I think regens are reasonable

1 hour gets you like what 20hrs of regen?

[azure laurel]

That’s actually not bad, I thought it was a lot worse

[bleak moat]

has anyone received a clue drop?

[radiant sky]

i cant say i know exactly how long huasca herbs take to get but they're rare enough that its much better to just use prayer pots and be worse than a main acc

no i dont think it drops clues

[opal zealot]

is that just aldarium or regens from potion packs themselves?

[bleak moat]

weird

[forest lagoon]

just the 2ndary with chem ammy + goggles

[opal zealot]

I see. So that also requires a huey grind. Haven't done that yet.

[forest lagoon]

See now thats some good info

both players can roll unqiues

[quiet marsh]

https://www.twitch.tv/gnomonkey/clip/ManlySmallConsoleDancingBaby-sIZCqJbxYRYeCDeD phase 3 melee tiles

[opal zealot]

Apparently that cycle breaks down after a couple rotations from what I've seen. Should work in duo though.

[quiet marsh]

ah yeah, probably have to kill fast enough

[faint lily]

Maybe it breaks down when you get the point of the double wave in a solo?

[forest lagoon]

If this works like nex than instead of oathplate being 1/360 it would be 1/720 for both players in a duo. Whic hI think doesnt really change time to completion

[swift thistle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIQ9wN-Jcfk has the markers

[quiet marsh]

New duo info, if the tank is maging yama during P1 and P2, then he'll have enrage phase def stats

[nova scroll]

how do you make him switch aggro?

[quiet marsh]

Not sure yet, I've seen a video of being able to swap yama aggro during p3 by whoever is north vs south. Video timestamp talks about it

https://youtu.be/g2S0NicG0ZE?t=79

[slate tiger]

has anyone gotten dupe pieces of oathplate? i've seen people say there's dupe protection but that sounds like a weird choice for something that isnt moons tier

[swift thistle]

I've seen multiple logs with dupes

[next patrol]

yeah you can get dupes

[sacred badge]

whoever is closest to Yama's sw tile in p3 gets aggro

[undone sundial]

Is this confirmed? That's really good to know

[quiet marsh]

Yeah, gnomonkey talked about it from i think arcane

[swift thistle]

Ok well there goes any credibility

[quiet marsh]

when mage hit with tank

when melee hit as tank

It's not quite full enrage phase stats, but -30 to +60 mage def stats is pretty substantial for dps with purging staff

[sage stirrup]

That’s very interesting

So you want the meleer to be tank then

[quiet marsh]

Yeah, otherwise purging staff loses about 20% dps

[forest island]

Do you know what happens with enrage since the stats are different to begin with?

[quiet marsh]

I haven't done any monster examine during that phase aside from initial to see the increased def stats noted in the wiki. But with +81 magic defense during enrage, melee is strong, especially with maul/dwh spec.

[digital jetty]

idk how to do it with these tiles

but i cooked up these tiles last night and every second rotation you just do an extra attack on the start tile and stall 2 ticks

[swift thistle]

are you stalling for a tick on blue

[digital jetty]

and youll stay in cycle

i use my own method

does the same thing tho

skips waves and dodges bombs

maybe it would break down if the fight was longer after that idk

but boss dies in duos before that

[opal zealot]

What do you do on the tile between 4 and 5? just stall until your attack is off cd?

[digital jetty]

so i attack with scythe from tile 4

then i click to the east

this makes me run twice (4 tiles in 2 ticks) due east

then when i hit the marked tile there i click to tile 5

and when i get to 5 i attack

its important to run due east twice* to dodge flames

[opal zealot]

I see.

[digital jetty]

then you skip the second flame attacking from tile 5

[opal zealot]

Cool.

[digital jetty]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18Dje6Ookow

here is a clip of the method i cooked up if ur interested

[swift thistle]

any chance you got tiles

[digital jetty]

still could use some slight optimizations, and im not bringing scythe in favor of more food

[swift thistle]

I'm lazy

[digital jetty]

just having fun tryna figure out consistent method, would love to try this dd'd with a teamate

[digital jetty]

yes i can send tiles

[opal zealot]

Does this work if you and your duo stack and do this method? Ty for the example

[digital jetty]

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@swift thistle

[swift thistle]

will try it out ty gamer

[digital jetty]

my duo partner has not learned the method yet, hes just been maging so far. I see 0 reason why it wouldnt work though

[opal zealot]

I guess a better question is does this work in solo

if it works in solo it should work no problem in duo

[digital jetty]

to do it solo you would have to stop every time orbs spawn and then get back into cycle

[opal zealot]

The only reason it might not work is due to the hourglass attacks

[digital jetty]

i havent figured out that yet but in theory it would work

the hourglass attacks occur independantly for each person

regardless

this method always dodges every pattern of hourglass attacks

[opal zealot]

Should work then, awesome.

[digital jetty]

so even if both hourglasses impacted both people this method would dodge them

[atomic surge]

So do you alternate

Or just deal with it or what

I might still do shadow p3 solo until I really get it down

[atomic surge]

Is this duo specific or also during solo?

[opal zealot]

From what I understand it also happens in solos

since you're always the tank

[real galleon]

Dumb boss having gear requirements for noobs. Let me use firestrike and get 3 minute kills

[nova scroll]

I'm gonna go greenlog duke rq so I can dismantle my emberlight to purging staff

[atomic surge]

So in reality melee solo is betterer than the day 1 calc

Bc Yama mage def is 60 not -30

[opal zealot]

If you believe gnomonkey that's the case yes. You can hit it with a mage staff then monster examine to confirm.

[atomic surge]

I'll take his word for it

[opal zealot]

Though in enrage it still gains defense

[atomic surge]

Does it actually regen its drained stats in p3

Or is that a myth

I might bring surge pot on alt to horn elder surge scepter

[opal zealot]

It doesn't regen the drained stats but it sets his base defense up

[atomic surge]

Including mage?

[opal zealot]

Believe so yes

[atomic surge]

Interesting

[opal zealot]

essentially if you ever mage as the tank you set yama's def to enrage defense

[atomic surge]

I think it's worth accurseding on main

[opal zealot]

it reverts whenever the tank melees

[atomic surge]

Maybe not then

[undone sundial]

Does it revert back down if the tank stops maging?

[opal zealot]

if the tank melees it reverts back to pre enrage defense.

[undone sundial]

Okay cool

[opal zealot]

essentially if you ever mage as the tank you're ragging before p3

so mage only is 20% worse than melee

roughly

[quiet marsh]

It's duo and solo. So if you plan on soloing, melee would be better with a couple of emberlight specs. But if you're in a duo, then the person being targeted by Yama should attack with melee.

[sudden ocean]

Gotta green log corp too

[opal zealot]

if anything emberlight is better at yama

but you need purge if you're soloing

[tawny imp]

how much worse is mage only if no ember

[opal zealot]

arclight is better than mage only

[nova scroll]

Once I get max melee I'll dismantle my staff for it

[tawny imp]

so if nobody tanks yamas melees it becomes enraged def stats in p1/p2?

or did i misunderstand above convos

[opal zealot]

as soon as the tank attacks with magic he changes his defense to enrage defense until the tank melees.

The tank being whoever yama is looking at

[tawny imp]

hmm might learn melee p1/2 and mage p3 for now then

sucks i dont have emberlight+purge

the dps diff isnt worth for the harder enrage for me rn

[opal zealot]

mage is less dps but at least the difference is a lot smaller in p3 since the defense is raised for meleeing in p3.

[umbral cradle]

the P3 kiting method is very fun to do in a duo once you and your partner figure out the timing

[opal zealot]

Squeeze in some horns and you have a stew cookin

[umbral cradle]

yea we're still getting in down

[tired ivy]

what's the cue, just spam click the "delay tile", stall 1t and send it?

[umbral cradle]

gunna bring scythe for 5t hit in cycle once we're more comfy

if you spawn close

also, instance owner can be randomly 1t delayed spawning in

so there's nuance to it

[opal zealot]

Essentially on the 3rd tick is when you want to attack is what I understand. The delay setup helps visualize it

[digital jetty]

So cool u have someone willing to learn w u (:

[tawny imp]

friend diff

[digital jetty]

My friends are cool too!

[tawny imp]

[umbral cradle]

the easiest way to do the method is to have the person that gets delayed, which i think is instance owner, just start with mage switch purging staff

to eliminate the complex cases

and then just meet up at 1 tile and enter cycle

[tawny imp]

reckon i drop accursed here?

doing solos atm

melee p1/2 and mage 3

[coarse dagger]

how does the rare drops roll work? does mvp get a higher chance or is it just a random chance to get one regardless of contribution

[opal zealot]

We don't really know yet.

[coarse dagger]

they said it works like nex

but i dont know how nex works

[opal zealot]

For specific question about drop rates I'm not going to worry about it until a week or two when Jagex explains the full droprates

[sacred badge]

I thought they said it was like titans

[opal zealot]

From what I understand most items are contribution based like titans but a couple specific items are independant on duo vs solo and it aimed to make duoing better. How that works specifically we don't know

[coarse dagger]

in the reddit ama i thought arcane said nex

[opal zealot]

uh oh volly might be on the menu

[tawny imp]

any1 wanna duo?

[umbral cradle]

here's another good example of duo partner recovering from a mistake and re-entering the cycle

[digital jetty]

is it true that one person is able to attack the boss earlier though? i think one person might sometimes be delayed being able to move but are they delayed being able to attack as well?

like if both ppl come into p3 with a purging auto they attack at same time right? 1 person just gets delayed from moving around

[umbral cradle]

yea I believe they are actually 1t behind

[opal zealot]

So it turns out the glyphs have interactions with volatile and eldrich staff

[atomic surge]

LFT melee duo

[plush shadow]

is this consistent? feel like we were only able to pull it off sometimes

[atomic surge]

appreciate

damn I sold early it hit 150

[opal zealot]

🤝

[opal zealot]

you trust me a lot lmao

it also buffs sgs so merch that

[umbral cradle]

seems to be consistent

[umbral cradle]

for farming demons?

for contracts?

[opal zealot]

for yama

you step on fire glyph and you max higher

you step on shadow glyph and it gives you more prayer back

[plush shadow]

must be a skill issue on my part then

but like what happend at 35-40 second mark? seemed u guys were doing cycle and orb spawned anyway?

[atomic surge]

lost 40m on voidwaker ;w;

[opal zealot]

lets go gambling

[viral quiver]

Anyone wanna duo?

[atomic surge]

ye

melee ok?

pm 'wizzy'

crazy how you just didn't do it

[viral quiver]

I dmed you?

[atomic surge]

o expected ingame

and yes

[tawny imp]

any1 wanna duo? p1/2 melee p3 mage