Struggled with dps at 300s toa

[patent bone]

Hi,

So i struggled with dps at kephri, my gear is like: Hasta,bandos,claws,anc top ahrim bottom, bowfa, lightbearer,serp.

Cb stats: attack 87 str 97 def 90, range 99, pray 77, magic 97.

So i thought maybe i need more prayer pots/space for my yellow keris.

So my thoughts on this are do i really need a combat potion or is it enough to take ranging,super str/attack within the raid?

If not i need to grind Herb 87.

What do you guys think about this.. do i really need combat pot?

Should i camp 200s until fang and after that i push 300s+?

[sonic siren]

Partisan > Hasta at Kephri

even if you never need to use the yellow keris spec just mainhand it at him

you should push whatever invo you can consistently clear deathless

if you're worried about space (especially without access to supercombats) you can do Baba then Zebak and only bring a ranged pot

the downside to this is that salt disproportionately helps ranged compared to melee (+7 compared to a supercombat, +13 compared to a ranging pot)

[shadow pebble]

This is backwards I think? You can save space by going zebak into kephri

Prepot the range and carry scp

[sonic siren]

Zebak -> Kephri is 2 pots in this case, since no supercombats, but normally that works yes

[finite fox]

You have a funny feeling like you’re being followed, @sonic siren
Type /tools user mypets to see your pets.

[sonic siren]

who the fuck are you

[shadow pebble]

Either way definitely run 300(+) rl, I'm not sure what your current setup is exactly but make sure to check #1052632175402565663 for options

[viscid palm]

Train ur herblore

Sending raids with low herblore is just

[keen basin]

You'll want divine scb for pvm anyways so why would you not get them, I don't get it

That being said you should be fine on dps with your setup, not sure how you struggle with dps as kephri is a 0 dmg boss

[shadow pebble]

not having scp for early toa is fine, its -1 inv slot but not the worst thing ever

[patent bone]

@sonic siren
Alright thanks, i ever do Zebak -> Kephri -> Akkha -> Baba
.. idk it feels like i hit so shit at kephri, when someone carried me through a deathless 350 for ava cosmetic.. i hitted nice at zebak akkha and baba.. idk what im doin wrong ._.

.. but i need to learn, wanna camp toa till shadow/fang

@viscid palm - true that but yeah i wanna pvm xd

@keen basin, yeah ikr its a 0 damage boss normally 🤣 when i killed the ranger and trapped melee some flies hitting me anyway to force me to use my keris and i hit nothing most likely

@shadow pebble - Thanks man, will post my Setup rn here

[sonic siren]

stam? 🤨

[shadow pebble]

I would change that setup somewhat, sec longer post incoming

[patent bone]

🥲

[shadow pebble]

• swap serp for neit
• drop the stam
• divine range and super str
• drop torm brace

I think the rest is solid

[patent bone]

@shadow pebble , damn neit even without jaw? 😮

Alright got it with the stamina haha

Aalright tyvm

[sonic siren]

drop tassets too

[patent bone]

XD

[shadow pebble]

yeah dropping tassets is also a solid option

but youll be facing a bunch of asymmetrical switches if you do

[patent bone]

Are u guys really serious?

[shadow pebble]

personally idm but others do

yes

[patent bone]

But why

[sonic siren]

barely any strength

[shadow pebble]

because its not a very useful item

in a place where inv slots matter

[patent bone]

Should i camp ahrim bottoms?

[shadow pebble]

no youd camp crystal legs

[patent bone]

U guys cant be real

Never heard that

But saw that at cox

Alright tyy

[sonic siren]

I personally like to have my inventory like this:
neck top top neck
cape misc misc cape

the two "misc" slots are where the helm and leg switches go

[patent bone]

Wdym exactly? Cant imagine anything from that

[sonic siren]

I mean have your items be where I wrote them

[patent bone]

Alright i will try that

And

Where do i use claws inside toa? I got em new to that

Only at cum phase?

[shadow pebble]

its a good dps spec on zebak and baba once you're lowered their def to the cap

its probably good p1 as well

same with p3 and p4

after lowering def for p3

[patent bone]

Alr ty, yeah but sadly got never adrenaline.. i only take chaos and life

[sonic siren]

maybe the Kephri mager? I know VW is good at that but idk if claws are different

[shadow pebble]

yeah good on kephri mager

[patent bone]

So i can drop dds?

[shadow pebble]

stop taking chaos, just get power and life

also even without adren these are good uses

I dont think you need to carry dds to 3-down in your setup no

[patent bone]

Oh nice alright tyvm guys! I will chat here how it went when im at home and try that what u guys suggested me.
Need new invo tho, those in here in this cc are bad for me xd

Gtg! Tyvm

[shadow pebble]

again take a look at #1052632175402565663

[patent bone]

Did that a few times 🙂

[sonic siren]

don't do anything to level up paths until you get a fang, and even then only WTP

[shadow pebble]

wtp is good pre fang imo

but theres some flexibility

[patent bone]

Alright yeah maybe.. i try to use insanity .. but i cant skip those skulls.. only the 1st one 😦 and i cant find a good guide on yt.. i gave that up

[sonic siren]

it's worth learning, not only is a ton of invocation levels but the skull skip itself increases your purple chance directly

[shadow pebble]

it sounds to me like youd do well to practice that at low raid level for a while

you can do the spamclick method

[patent bone]

Imagine, that would be great 🥲

@shadow pebble
Yea i tried it, but someone said to me the 1st skull phase i just should spamclick in the exact line.

2nd i need to pray and then spamclick

Then after that i should dodge and spamclick
Is that right? Can i click on ANY skull then or must it be like far away and on the same line?

I mainly do solos but on duos idk?

[sonic siren]

duos are different timing and skull placement (unless someone dies, then it becomes the solo skulls)

[patent bone]

And on solo

Whats the strat

?

[sonic siren]

1st just spam
2nd pray then spam
3rd move from boulder and spam
4th move from one boulder and spam, sometimes you get hit by the second boulder, just heal

I always click the same skulls every time so I don't know the exact rules for what ones you can and can't do, but the one(s) towards the middle work for me

[patent bone]

Oh damn 🥲

U know someone that i can ping who knows the "rules" for that?

[sonic siren]

you can ask in #tombs-of-amascut

or just wait for someone else to see this

[patent bone]

True that

Yea i wait a bit and if no1 sees it i ask there thanks

[orchid relic]

If you get really good you can drop pots flick more bring the smaller swaps but it's low value when starting out
And generally if you are good enough to do that then it's a sign that you should instead keep the same setup and increase the RL
Ofc past 400rl it's diminishing returns
So I personally do take torm and tassets and feros in 400rl instead of doing bgloves camp crystal legs 430rl but that's because 430 vs 400 kinda balances out pre shadow whereas 370 vs 400 is still a noticeable difference in purples per hour

When starting out and especially pre-fang I absolutely camped bgloves and dropped tassets tho

[gentle garnet]

Sup

[patent bone]

Aaalright, thanks then i drop em 😅

[patent bone]

Heya ! Can u help me please with skullskipping? Like which ones i should click, do i need to be at the same line as the spamclick skull ? Im so confused, even youtube guide dont answer my questions xd

And are there some "rules" or anything that i need to know? I got some tiles marked, and can dodge only the first phase of skullskip

[gentle garnet]

Mark a start tile, click when you see xp drop, for third skulls it's opposite every time, kill all but one skull and then skip and you will naturally dodge boulders

I'll find you a vid with tile markers, sec

[patent bone]

Damn im so hella confused

[patent bone]

I have a video in my head where when the skulls came i stay spamclick the middle and click none? Damn

[gentle garnet]

I think spam skip is bad

https://youtu.be/y7XVRC08NQw?t=1627 copy this

[patent bone]

O.O ty

Should i learn that with like only insanity invo?

[gentle garnet]

You don't skull skip unless you are doing insanity

Insanity is in general a very good invo

[patent bone]

I want to learn insanity

[gentle garnet]

But it is gated by whether you can last row worth a fuck

For example, I have a tbow and I can't really do insanity above 350 because I just get farmed on last row

[patent bone]

Oh

So i shouldnt do insanity with bowfa?

[gentle garnet]

https://gx.games/games/6f00u8/last-row-sim/ is also great to practice if you can be arsed

It's optimal to do it

[patent bone]

Damn thats a good one ty

@gentle garnet

On that video, why bro didnt just killed the last one? Im so confused

[gentle garnet]

You want to leave one alive so the mechanic doesn't damage the boss

Which means you can damage it instead and score more points

That is why you do skull skip

[patent bone]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh

And

Like on that video, when the true tile is on the left or right side i can just run into the middle did i understood that right?

[sonic siren]

voidwaker helps reduce how long last row lasts

[patent bone]

@sonic siren fuck wildy content

Xd

[sonic siren]

a lot of the time it can even get you a kill before getting to the last row

[patent bone]

Hmm alright alright

[patent bone]

Gray idk if 39 is still here, maybe can u please answer?

[sonic siren]

I don't understand the question

[patent bone]

Uhm

Wait

When he kills all (not all lol) skulls, he ran to left or right side

And when the true tile is on that side can i click the middle?

[sonic siren]

you click the middle when the remaining skull(s) disappear

[patent bone]

When they blow up?

Does the side matter? Left or right?

Where i stand*

[sonic siren]

side doesn't matter as long as you're in one of the two marked columns

[patent bone]

Alright thanks, and as soon as the skulls blow up i click middle.. damn that sounds like ez game

[keen basin]

You can also learn how to last row. More advanced stuff but after a while you barely take damage

[orchid relic]

ye just learn last row tbh

plenty of examples across the disc

shameless plug
https://streamable.com/a3egiw

[drowsy flower]

Do you know how to red x baba and kite akkah?

It’s been a little while since I ran 450s but those two things help tremendously

Also yellow Keris

[keen basin]

I would not do either of those

Unless by redx you mean 5:1

[scarlet matrix]

Unless you have shadow your dps on akkha likely the lowest with mage yeah

[drowsy flower]

yeah i have shadow, but see that OP doesn't so point taken

[drowsy flower]

red x Baba, you don't ever get hit. Multiple ways to do it. Why don't you recommend? Easy to set up.

[scarlet matrix]

you're losing a tick every cycle

5:1 is the way to do it

[drowsy flower]

hmm ill look into it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXWyhmdD42o

Good video

[keen basin]

Yeah you lose dps and it's also simply not necessary at lower invos. Even facetanking works unless you are low on supplies

[patent bone]

@gentle garnet please i need you, on skullskip im ever to slow and get 40+ damage or something.. whats the best timing to click on the middle?

And u guys skipping every skullphase?

[gentle garnet]

When you see the fire

Like

Just react to the explosion animation

Also the timing might be different if you're not on insanity

Don't skip if you're not doing insanity though

[scarlet matrix]

The noob method is kill all but the last, equip range weapon and spam click the last one

[gentle garnet]

That approach is actually pretty good but I wouldn't say it's nooby

Since you have to skip a specific skull and switch quickly

[scarlet matrix]

Looks nooby smh

[patent bone]

Oh alright i give it a try tyvm! 🙂

Or can i just as shwax said run to the tiles and spam click last or any of the skulls??

[patent bone]

Can it be any?

[scarlet matrix]

Yes you just need to run the moment they disappear

[patent bone]

Pog sounds really easy! U guys doing that on every phase tho?

[scarlet matrix]

Yes, wardens is the best points in the raid, extending that gives you more pts/hr

[patent bone]

Damn thats nice, increases purple chance much at like 250/300invo?

[shadow pebble]

Around 10% regardless of rl

Ideally don't sit at 250 though

[patent bone]

Thank you, no i go up when i got the fang

I got 87 att 97str 77prayer, no combat pot, no fang and no blowpipe

And im too dumb to use yellow keris idk, need to take chaos... I prefer clawing twice at cum phase

[patent bone]

What are your thoughts on that @shadow pebble ? I really appreciate ur help alot on this discord because u helped me since i created this account

[shadow pebble]

With that gear and those stats I'd aim for 320rl

[patent bone]

Thanks, alright hear me out please.

So how would u use the damn keris over bgs spec (if hitting 0)?

Please tell me how, i bring 4sara brews,2 restores rest pray/str/range pot..

Using blood barrage because fuck that baba pre room.

Please tell me, i cant figure out the better timing for keris .. im forced to take chaos because i run low on everything and yes, i got skill issue xd

And: do u kill the eggs at kephri/ranger/melee?

Please tell me then im ready and all my question answered

[amber meadow]

I put my keris on the bottom row, next to a scarab/ppot so I can quickly crack scarab/sip and fkey to spec bar. You can also last hit things with keris poke to heal at the cost of ppoints which I do at the end of monkey room to have full hp for baba.

Khepri eggs aren’t worth killing imo just pray range, ranger and melee I kill after swarms to get as many swarms as possible

Definitely pray melee if the melee is out, he’ll mess you up

[shadow pebble]

I also like keris on the bottom row.
You could do bowfa baba.
I would aim to not take chaos.
Bgs is good.
Make sure to kill swarms at kephri as mentioned.

[patent bone]

Alright thank you guys.

Maybe a little misunderstanding here, i meant the timing for using keris should i use keris instead of everything other? On which rooms u guys use it and not sara brews?

Oh i ever kill em, alright alright

Yeah i trap the melee everytime because my dps sucks 😅

[shadow pebble]

Do not trap the melee

[patent bone]

I ever bowfa baba, but the preroom thats why i need blood barrage xd

[patent bone]

Huh?

[shadow pebble]

I use the keris at akkha and sometimes warden, it's also for a panic heal at baba

Id say akkha is the main use by far

[sonic siren]

The meleer heals the boss

[patent bone]

I know, i trap him and kill him

[shadow pebble]

Id aim to practice more, you should be using thralls everywhere

[shadow pebble]

It is better to kill him without trapping him

[patent bone]

Whats rhe point

[sonic siren]

Higher DPS

[patent bone]

True then i try like a 240 or so

[shadow pebble]

It lets you use a keris

[patent bone]

A guy with 500 kcs expert told me hasta over yellow keris at kephri??

[shadow pebble]

Yeah lowering rl to learn new methods is a good idea

[sonic siren]

Kill him

[patent bone]

Xd

[shadow pebble]

You also can't use a hasta from outside the trap, but check a dps calc

[patent bone]

Alright tyty

[patent bone]

A friend of mine said its worth skipping without insanity?

Skipping skulls*

[viscid palm]

its just not worth doing toa without insanity

[patent bone]

Daamn hard words brother

Idk why tho

[boreal maple]

insanity is a metric shitton of raid levels without slowing you down at all (assuming you move correctly to avoid tick loss)

actually if you're skull skipping it would save time even

[patent bone]

yea bro but thats why bro said toa is waste without?

[drowsy flower]

It’s a free 50 invo without added time as long as you have the skill which isn’t much more effort than without insanity on. It’s a big opportunity missed to have it off consistently

50 invo can add a lot towards your purp chance

[maiden lily]

It’s also the fact that it’s better to add it into your invocations early rather than getting to the point where you run mid-300s and then turn it on

So it feels like a “waste” to spend a lot of time in ToA before adding it

[patent bone]

Thanks guys, i came to that result that its not for me because of tha last row shit.. i cant do this xd

[pearl fulcrum]

it’s all about practice my friend